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[SPEAKER_03]: dance on your grave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a cheeker writer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shake them ropes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am Jeff Hawkins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is Rob McCarran.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rob foreshows this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be covering two of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that AEW is for the sickos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I am not particularly a sicko.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not someone who does star ratings or a notebook for my top 20 list at the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing will take me out of an AEW show quite like the Go Home show for an AEW paper view.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, and let me posit this theory too, because I talked about this last night in my other territory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The point of a Go Home show is to build tension for the match that is going to be on Sunday,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Conne was worried that you need to have good matches, so he had, will Osprey struggle with Elfantazmo, and he had for sympathy, swirb strickled, beating up the loudmouth jerk of the deathwriters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like like he was Vader and and for the main event segment we had a comedy skit with mjf and dawn cows instead of just we're gonna kill you in the cage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what they're doing and I know the people that watch it like it and they'll tell me not to watch it critically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think I've been
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they yell at us about it, you know, in various various different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I won't listen to Hawkins because he's being too critical of something I love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the matches are good and I enjoy them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, yeah, but it could be better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched this last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went, why are we undercutting our show on the go home?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I ran to the last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can go listen to that show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll let you take it away for words we want to go first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to talk about AEW forbidden door, which exists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about WWE Night of Champions and the King of the Ring Queen of the Ring Finals, which exists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know what the other two shows this weekend are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said there are four shows this weekend we're covering two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you referring to like a SmackDown Collision or like, what are we referring to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I think there's five shows down there, but there's a T and A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: paperfield yard and an NXT show on that same Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You are lying to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great American Bash.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great American Bash for NXT is Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And TNAs, paperview, I believe is Friday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is that called?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't watch TNAs slam a versery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's slam a versery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was revelating a rebellion or
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is slimmer versery, but it's slimmer versery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ridiculousness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't even know like right now Right now your main event for that is Nick Nemeth versus Mike Santana possibly AJ Francis versus Elijah because it's listed last on the whole Wikipedia, but that can't be right
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, um, there's a lot of stupid happening this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stupid that's been happening on TV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a hell of a lot of stupid that's been talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to join the fray here on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, actually, we're going to bring some stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're also going to bring some, uh, less stupid than what I'm going to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been bringing stupid for 14 years on this shelf.
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[SPEAKER_03]: just unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, okay, right now, right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll talk about Bailey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll talk about Bailey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Bethemi versus Block Lesner 3 or co-manor versus Hatches Sero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What would you rather watch?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Brock, please.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then you're not a sicko.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the sicko test.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, officially.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I do love entry, Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you want to see, but this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm moderated over on the F4W board and the people are to delegate bright Alvarez on his SmackDown and Collision Reviews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please start with Collision first, and I'm just like, are you guys insane?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, stuff that actually matters happens on SmackDown, why would
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's TNA explosion still show because honestly explosion probably has more significance than collision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 20 guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 guys who are five foot eight, 175 doing three and a half star matches better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, work, but no heat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you also talked about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the dynamite go home dynamites go home shows not usually doing it for you headed into the paper view but then the paper views usually deliver this one's probably going to be no different even there's only one match really of significance but okay go ahead I was a weekly problem yeah it's been a week was a problem this wasn't an I hate AEW statement
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's there's some good stuff on a WTV not like important stuff correct.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some good stuff, uh, but just wasn't one week ago or two weeks ago, where they gave away the main event of this paper view as your TV main event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we're going to add a cage to it, and it's supposed to be more important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When this match does not the winner of this match,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The winner of this match gets Mark Brisco, a title match, which probably happens at the very next night on Dynamite, the very next Dynamite that happens, which, okay, probably go 15 minutes, maybe you got a clean finish or there's some bullfuckery, but even if it's clean, like who needs to see Mark and his Mark Brisco versus MJF, a ratings draw on TV is an important, does it get a
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[SPEAKER_03]: and one they're going to try to sell you that mark brisco might actually win and it's going to be mark brisco versus willosbury at Wembley Arena or Wembley Stadium or or the idea is that okay we already know who the all-in-challengeer is because that was decided at the paper view like what the fuck does this match matter other than it's a it's a match to get you over in the main event and that's okay
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's okay if you weren't spending the last six weeks trying to build up like Mark Briscoe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is this important guy who needs a title challenge to MJF?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna make it worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think Mark Briscoe earns the title shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's because I'm trying to, I'm trying to kick some in the Bolls or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leaves the group and then Mark Briscoe pins in one, two, three, and then we all have to do the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you deserve it and seven collapse out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, and I like Mark Brisco.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just too soon to do an underdog story again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's also like, oh, you can say a forbidden door like it's two teams going up against each other and they're two all-star teams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're two teams may comprise of main of vendors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, fucking Kyle Riley and Rodderick strong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then on the other team, fucking Jake Doyle,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these, now, Jack Doyle could be something someday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might be the future in three years for AWS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might become an important challenger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The era of Kyle O'Reilly and Rodder Strong is six years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, okay, it's okay if they're an added team in here, but the main event of a paper view, and like this conglomeration is supposed to be this big, important group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, half the members just showed up one day because Adam Cole was injured.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, hey, we're a part of your group now, we're best friends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but they're not the best friends because that's a different group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Haven't seen them in forever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kevin Knight, I mean Kevin Knight, okay, we're going to make this big single star at a Kevin Knight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nope, just another dude in the Don Callis family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, if Mark Brisco actually gets the title match, because I'm not convinced that the babyface team wins this match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not convinced at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, maybe you have some type of turn in the heel group, maybe you have some type of turn in the baby face group, but I mean, of all these no names who the fuck could that possibly be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the most likely person to turn on their team in this baby face group to me is Mark Brisco!
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want the title shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on MJF side now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is, that's your main event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the real main event of this show was going to be Will Osprey versus Swerve Strickland, which honestly is probably still a foregone conclusion that Will Osprey is going to win, then headline all in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kenny Omega's Zach Saber, a nice little match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mercedes Manay going for another crowning achievement, a nice little match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just a, it's a card of nice little matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with the importance being the title shot for all in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't even get a title match on this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't even get the world champion defending their title on this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all towards the next event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This may as well be AEW Dynamite Beach Break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This paper view that they're going to try to tell us 200 pet thousand people bought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's no effing way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the Google Trends say, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Google Trends can trend elsewhere because they're not trending here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not I'm not buying it, but anyway, let's we're we're going to save.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go through a W when we've cooled down a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're going to go when you've cooled down you're sweating almost I am not and the people watching on the YouTube channel all 34 of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see that I am as clean as a whistle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have no sweat on my brow, but you know who does have sweat on their browson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: God, I was going to do such a good score there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to be great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Sammy Zane has wet on his enormously large brows right now, because he's got to go up against Cody Rhodes and Gunther for the Undisputed WWE Championship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This Sammy Zane, the whole story this year about he can't get a title win, he can't be to come to the champion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's getting so many chances now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he a baby face?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he a hero?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will will come and sense get back to him as he goes up against the son of the common man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Koomther, there's six matches on this WWE night of champions happening all the way over in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Before we go one by one on the matches heading into this event, which I believe is taking place Saturday, Saturday, June 27th in the middle of the day, one PM Eastern.
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[SPEAKER_03]: cash as a record at this is basically tomorrow afternoon everybody if you're listening to this on day one uh... what is the most looked forward to match out of the six on this paper view card for jeffrey Hawkins and i will stall one more second to give you a chance to even look at this card i don't have it but it's probably the good to match anyways
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[SPEAKER_03]: It probably is the World Title match, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think it's the World Title match, which how long has it been since the Cody Rhodes title match has actually been the most look forward to match on a paper of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by far in a way, it's the Cody Rhodes going through Sammy's A and Match after looking at this lineup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, broad breaker Seth Rollins to me is interesting because we've said this twice, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this one appears to be the blow off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although I figured they were blown off as Braun moved in the tag team division, but no bronze out of the tag team division already because they lost the tag team title.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Braun's going to be the singles guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, the fact that they took the tag team titles off of Braun Breaker and Austin Theory and they want to make it clear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They made it clear that they want Braun Breaker to be back in the singles space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Braun Breaker is probably going to get a victory over Seth here and move on to bigger things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that would probably be my second most, uh, look forward to match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, deep down there is J.U.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I know Buffet because I just, I'm just waiting for the, for the bullshit in that one too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am, uh, void that, oh, they can't let J.U.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when this scan they, oh, they absolutely can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They absolutely can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You think they flew in Brock to, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: to what's the alternative, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this very well can be the alternative because if you're not announcing a Brock Lesnar match, what are we?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're still a month away from Summerslam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're not announcing a Brock Lesnar match right now, are you going to let Obofemi win and people think that okay, Brock Lesnar is not wrestling at Summerslam, because it is two nights, they could easily do two Obofemi matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They can do the Brock
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let me let me pause it this because this sounded insane in my head when I thought of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's a possibility is that Sammy wins the title in the three way and Juso and Sammy Zane is a match for a title to tie in once again more of the bloodline reunion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It, if you're, well, I think we're definitely getting the advancement of the bloodline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we definitely, I mean, Mr. Maine of NJU, so who's been just a sidekick for the last ever since Roman cut that promo saying they're all equals in this group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: JU, so has been the most sidekick he's ever been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is back to being, I mean, Jimmy, Jimmy's more, you know, present on the microphone and getting TV in time than Juso is at these points, but no, Juso is the other singles guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to be the one to go on to King of the Ring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're getting
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[SPEAKER_03]: Juso in a world title match on the SmackDown side at Summerslam, but I don't believe it has to be one of the main events.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This very well could be the opener ESPN match on night one, whether he's going up against Sami Zayn or Cody Rhodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll go one by one and get pick our winners here in a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Juso, I think I think to advance that bloodline story and see where he's going to go, I think you get him away from RAW as Roman Reigns kind of does his thing, Roman Reigns doesn't have to take on the King of the Ring winner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... we find some other type of situation to uh... to get roman rains on the raw side in a tidal match at summer slam uh... yet i think uh... i think jay u so getting a tidal match and being the opener on night one is a very real possibility uh... because i just have it in my head and i'm sure a lot of people do that obathemies probably get a rest of rock listener what makes the most sense
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably crowning Obafemmy the King.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're really this high on him right now and want to just keep giving a macolide their accolades You probably push Obafemmy for the title and then we just are left to wonder like okay summer slam easy going up against Roman truly is again a pick the Smackdown side will Brock Lesnar somehow find a way into this story
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we, they've promoted Brock Lesnar, Obofemi three.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know it's going to happen at some point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this isn't just like, oh, I'm thinking, Brock Lesnar's going to show up even though there's no reason for me to think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There is a reason for us to think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so let's start with that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's, let's keep getting your thoughts on this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: J. U.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Obofemi, the final of the King of the Ring tournament, uh, I want to get your winner and your thoughts on what I've just stated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're what you stated makes sense very much so and I'll I'll actually defend you so I'm a lot of the mind I agree that he has been a sidekick up until Monday I thought Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He showed some great fire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was very most Yeah, Kiki.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the most sidekick he up until Monday
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[SPEAKER_03]: What, let's the Jacob Fattu?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jacob Fattu is at his moments where it's like, okay, I'm really the big guy here, guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just doing this because I'm a man of my word, but I'm the guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: J.U.S.O.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is like, brother Jimmy, cousin Roman, can you guys help me out here?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause I am J.U.S.O.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most psychic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... there is a story where obfemmy gets crown king of the ring gets and then the bloodline fuckery happens in the championship match and then the rest of the year up until wrestlemania is the journey of obfemmy coming for the bloodline to get the championship back
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's more interesting than J use of coming over to smack down to fight with Sammy with Cody and punk probably both there and some capacity although who knows if the who knows if the punk Cody things going to go on now where where's where's the unpunk at this guy who said he wasn't taking the summer off hasn't appeared since that night right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the easiest path here is that Oberfemi gets screwed in Juse as the king, and we have to deal with king, main event, Juse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially because this match is going to be in the first hour live on ESPN.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is not an ESPN app exclusive match, just like the queen of the ring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you want that synergy, you have Brock Lesnar show up to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Screw Oberfemi, say I want you in my home turf, Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you and me the third time and I'll put my, maybe they do the career on the line match with Brock Lesnar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they ever want to do definitive or absolutes because you never know that one year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They might just want to bring them back who knows you might want to have him at WrestleMania and Saudi Arabia next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If that actually happens still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... so yeah i i think we're gonna get jay so win in this match i think there's going to be some time of abomination with rock listener coming in uh... and then you do obefemi rock listener three at summer slam like everyone expects and sometimes it's okay to do whatever one expects uh... but yeah we'll have to find out what jay so then we'll do on the SmackDown side because we know he's not going up against roman
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be Cody Rhodes?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be Gunther?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be Sami Zane?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I have JU so win in this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to look up, while you give your bottle, I'm going to look up the odds to see what people betting their money, betting their money on an entertainment product can say about this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, my thinking is that this does lead to who will he fight?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And since we gave Jacob Faktu an ula Fala last week, being acknowledged, Jay's gonna want an ula Fala, and he may want a tribe of his own, because he's now a king.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want a bigger ula Fala, because I'm an equal partner in this, I'm not a sidekick, says the sidekick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and occasionally he'll pull some side eye with the, well, maybe I'll challenge you, Roman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that kind of crap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, uh, I, I, J.U.O.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is not an interesting presence as a singles competitor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that Yeet is over, but now they're kind of heelish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're no longer,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the cool guys doing, well, actually, they're now their heels doing crowd service, which is very odd, but yeah, I think I think the answer here is Jue, so King of the ring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trolling Roman for a couple weeks before finally deciding he's going to go fight whoever has the belt on smack down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is very interesting because it's not like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, air, the beating of Eric Andre is obviously a heelish behavior, but now it rains.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, but yeah, no, I think it's supposed to be, but like it really cares about Eric Andre, Roman Reigns has not done anything heelish per se, he was the baby face going into WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the baby face going into the Jacob thought to match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... and then the crowd turned a little bit because of how they were treating jacophotu even though jacophotu is the bad guy jacophotu is still kind of the heel in that group of of tweeners right now uh... we don't really we don't really know what they're booking ideas for them because they haven't done much to advance roman rains and anyone
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... they've just done the king of the ring tournament we got jay so going up against obfemi so he's gonna be the heel in that one uh... but it's not like it's not like the bloodline or bad guys at the moment they're kind of leaving it open to see okay where do we got to go with these uh... with this group uh... going forward at some point you're probably going to get some type of uh... angle with jay or with uh... jacum faatu and roman rains again i don't see them being some potico for the next year
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, or so, as we head into bigger paper view nights, uh, right now J.U.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So is barely a favorite minus 130 to Oba's one minus 110.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're both kind of even money effectively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha, uh, but he is the slight favorite in that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So final final word, J.U.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're Oba Femi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: J.U.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They use them, okay, we're aligned on J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Queen of the Ring, Queen of the Ring, there's a lot of different ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose you could go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: EOS sky versus Liv Morgan, Liv Morgan is the Raw Women's Champion right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this match in theory will be to see who goes up against the SmackDown Women's Champion, although if EOS wins, we could get a rematch with Liv.
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[SPEAKER_03]: at Summerslam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So does Liv Morgan go for the second title?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Does she win this match or does EOS sky get crowned the queen of the ring?
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[SPEAKER_03]: As you still have the uncertainty surrounding Rio Ripley because Rio Ripley's not even on the show anymore because of her injury.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So are we going to put the eggs in the basket that Liv Morgan versus Rio might be the Summerslam match?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or do we just do EO and Liv Morgan again at Summerslam?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who is going to be the queen of the ring crowned on ESPN Saturday afternoon?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If rea can go for summer slam, I think it's going to be EO.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if she can't, I think it's going to be live and Ria's going to tell you to defend the title for her and lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be a rematch at Summerslam between EO and live for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why it just, we're simply has the power to just okay, EO, you're the champion now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They like doing that with injured champions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just did it with, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: soul root over on NXT back when she had a title and then her second lost the title on behalf of her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they like to recycle these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only reason I say that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the other thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see both King and Queen of the Ring going for SmackDown titles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's it's it's weird to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to have one on one and one on the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although Jay uses going to be on raw until he decides to jump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So well that that's the thing right here is that no matter who wins these king of the ring and it's on raw.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The winners are on raw.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the winners are on raw so this is uh... this is your potential and though even if j use a one i don't really see him switching brands obfemi right now just showed up to raw i don't see him switching brand so that they're going for the title that of the show they're not going to be on for more than a few weeks at this point uh... you know scourge is a big favorite right now you know scourge minus six hundred bedding favorite
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's interest in the Liv Morgan super push to me in terms of going for both titles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why it just feels like she's a hot character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She is, I would say, and this variable could be like, okay, you had the plan, but then it wasn't executed well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is the judgment days basically their foundation of the group right now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that they have these plans and it gets into a certain point but they can never execute at the very end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Short of,
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[SPEAKER_03]: some of the times live Morgan has executed at the end with the Dominic Mysterio turn on reapply with live Morgan winning and being coming the champion at this moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's Stephanie Vicarre's status is because we get a reemergence of a Stephanie Vicarre or someone leading up to this because say you have live Morgan who wins this and just wants
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I mean, I want the night off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rear Ripley is not, uh, rear Ripley is not, uh, approved to get a match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's not, she's not medically cleared.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to ask for the night off and then some, something happens with the returning superstar to where we get that match just on the raw side anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Eosky winning keeps possibilities open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the most possibilities open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for that matter, I will go E.O.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sky and also she has kind of been, you know, she was reapply sidekick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's gotten some big wins, but she hasn't gotten these title wins lately.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's time to give E.O.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sky a reminder to the audience that E.O.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sky is a top of the food chain along with a live morgan, along with a reapply and maybe we get her a big win here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the other thing is that EO winning also opens up the possibility that she does challenge live Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, again, yeah, so we get to get the remat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's more possibilities with EO win because it could be the SmackDown side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It could be live Morgan one more time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's more possibilities if EO sky wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Trick Williams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Trick Williams coming fresh off of his wedding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Trick Williams is a married man now going up against Ricky Saints.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the WWE United States championship being defended in Riyadh, with trick Williams, Ricky Saints.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to a figure that trick Williams is a heavy, heavy favorite in this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is minus 3000.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is actually the biggest favorite on the entire show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No one giving Ricky Saints any chance to win this match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I am joining the people in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think
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[SPEAKER_02]: What, where are the odds on Ricky?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, plus 850.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got throw some money down, huh?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trick Williams just got married and maybe one time off for a honeymoon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, he could get time off and still be the US champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true, but that's the only reason it's tasty to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia on a Saturday, Saudi Arabia on a Saturday, and then you don't have to work until the next SmackDown, maybe you take one SmackDown off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy, this guy would have two weeks off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you took one smack down off, and honestly, the smack down coming back from there, I believe is the first show that's two hours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you absolutely do not need everyone on the brand on that show that night, because you only have an hour and 20 minutes after commercials to fill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: if they change their mind to say it's people start slamming those odds, you're going to know it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the thing with Shrek.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These betting odds you never, I mean, we're as we record this two days out from it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As we record them Thursday evening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They will probably change and they'll probably change Saturday morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's when you know, this is the way it's been done for 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to WWE TV betting odds, like
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[SPEAKER_03]: People wait for the actual TV plot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They wait for the outline of the show and it's like, okay, the smart money is coming in and all of a sudden.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god, Ricky Saints is minus 250 to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What what the hell changed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the TV show was written.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what the hell changed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go trick Williams on this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even if he takes time off, he has two weeks between this paper view and another smack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if he just gives us one show, one show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, as usual, a steel cage match, steel cage, bronze breaker, Seth Rollins, potentially a blowout, potentially just a way to get them to their next match, who knows, but bronze breaker in Seth Rollins are a pickum.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They are both at minus 120.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a pickup match at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is one of those matches where Brown Braker kind of getting the context clues of them removing the tag team titles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably not going in the tag team division right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This continues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about this more than a month ago at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's never been more likely that they're going to try to get something out of the vision and Seth Rollins with with the street profits and potentially Joe Hendry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is going all the way to November and Survivor Series in War Games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, you called it and this is the chance to establish Bron as a big bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think we're getting Brian Breaker, the winner here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get those sporadic, you know, okay, on this show, Brian Breaker is wrestling on this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Austin Theory in the tag team division.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Logan Paul could be back by that moment, too, so we could get Logan Paul going into November, and who knows, maybe we get some other ad into the vision at this point, but we've got our four on the baby face side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we get bronze spearing set through a cage spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Bronson Reed coming back soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Looking like he's on his way back as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they're going to try to milk this all the way out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So on this one, I think Bron Breaker gets that win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we don't completely blow off these two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Seth Rollins also is entering
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[SPEAKER_03]: a crowded top of the uh... card picture when we get the return of a randy or when we get the return of a c.m.
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[SPEAKER_03]: punk with with obathemy and Brock Lesnar still going at it right there with jiu so potentially at the top of the card uh... that this is a crowded top of the card so keeping Seth Rollins uh... kind of intertwined with brown and the vision uh... seems most likely to me i would agree
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have the WWE Women's United States Championship match being defended.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jade Cargill going up against Tiffany Stratton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Jade and Rhea was originally the plan for the show, but Rhea is hurt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So why not just make this a United States title match and throw Tiffany Stratton in there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jade Cargill, Tiffany Stratton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jade at this moment is the favorite to win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's baffling because they just put this title in Tiffany Stratton getting it away from Julia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, they're going to get Jay Cargo this title.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because if you can't be the women's champion because Rhea Ripley is her, you don't know you don't really want to take it away from her, you don't know if this is going to be a long-term injury, we got to have a top title on the top bad Jade Cargo getting this United States championship and then again that still goes with EOS guy opening possibilities because you can get some type of picture there with EO Jade and Rhea Ripley, you can have EO coming to smack down to defend Rhea's honor as you so put it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's still a lot of different ways to go here, well, again, SmackDown is going to two hours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You are not going to have a quarter, you know, a third, but really a quarter of the people that were on SmackDown every week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: appearing on SmackDown every week going forward in the summer so consolidation a little bit here consolidating the US title with the Jade Cargill and Rear Ripley story is probably a likely likely scenario and likely reasoning why this match is happening for the US title so you're at with Jade Cargill I'm with Jade Cargill she will be the new US women's champion
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then our final match on the show, yeah, there's six of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is kind of like, nine of champions is between a Saturday night's main event and B-level paper view.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the big four paper views, this is kind of in the middle there with getting us six matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two will take place on ESPN, the other four will take place on the ESPN app, or Netflix if you have a VPN, which is how some of us will be watching the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have our W-E championship triple threat match, Cody Rhodes defending again, Sammy Zane and Goomther.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cody Rhodes is the big favorite in this one, minus 500, the other two are even odds plus 300 as the underdogs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cody Rhodes, the favorite to win this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's any way Gunther takes this match, but you lay out an interesting possibility for Sammy Zane going up against the bloodline again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and establishing him while Cody Rhodes and C.M.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Punk have their little brief tid at head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that even a thing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they have their little story potentially.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Randy Orton comes back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Could Randy Orton even appear on this show to potentially do something with Cody Rhodes there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're not, we're not sold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not sold like the Betty audience that Cody Rhodes is going to win this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the J.U.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: story is far more interesting if Sammy Zane and Roman Reigns are the two champions for Ruchias to pick who he wants to title match against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sammy Zane winning the title in Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After getting the pops that he gets in Saudi Arabia is a no-brainer at some point, and I think the last time he lost in Saudi Arabia, I believe, or he won a lower card match, we all said he's going to win the title in Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That clock is running out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, I feel like it's been running out at right now, kind of at WrestleMania season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But here we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree and I don't think I don't think you can hold it off until I don't think you can do a redemption story where he wins it WrestleMania in Saudi Arabia next year, which is kind of an interesting thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you do it here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you have to do it here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's also going away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's also no way that you can be planning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to give Sammy the title of WrestleMania next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to keep Sammy Zane in that top tier when you're going to have potentially Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, CM Punk, Seth Rollins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Logan Paul.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Bethemi, potentially Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, J.U.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a talent at the top here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can be playing in that far ahead with what you're going to do with Samuel L.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you're not going to make him that hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the time to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a shock when it's going to be a one night hometown pop until he goes back to being a heel in the states or whatever, or in the bloodline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think it's going to be Sammy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Sammy Zane is your pick to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're getting Cody Rhodes a win here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the big mystery match is the steel cage match as far as like, okay, not every match is going to be chalk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know who's going to win that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be shocked at the same as a win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would be very surprised that a gunther win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because doing JU so versus Gunther makes no sense doing obfemi versus Gunther makes no sense and then what is Gunther supposed to do just a rematch with Cody Rhodes Summerslam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's no buys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like not getting people to buy a ticket or go to sign up for the ESPN app.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know part of me is like what do you really want people to sign up for the ESPN app for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: and I don't I don't know if it's jiu so going up against anyone for the title, but at least there could be an interesting story there with Sami Zane and and jiu so to continue that bloodline extravaganza.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In theory at some point in the future we're going to get Kevin Owens back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's still a long way away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's wrestling this calendar year, but do you do anything with Sami here to keep the door open for Kevin Owens return at some points?
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[SPEAKER_02]: no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't either coming off that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's flying all the way out with batteries.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know you got a bad back there, Andy Orton, but listen, how would you like a 20 hour flight?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that will do a qualifier for money in the bank for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have it that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jeff Hawkins is TNA wrestling worth $40 million.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw this that they are interested in shopping it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you were interested in selling TNA and your idea that, okay, it's worth $40 million because we get $10 million a year from AMC.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But let me tell you, that $10 million from AMC is ending as soon as that contract ends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you you ain't getting that again in the future your value plummet's now and that's probably why you might be considering selling this uh... but we had a conference call today ahead of forbidden door and tonic on was asked point blank tonic on the head of uh... a w uh... if tna is for sale it's worth forty million dollars so they want forty million dollars would you buy it
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he flat out laughed, said no, not at $40 million, if it was a different price, it would be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it would be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: TNA has got a hell of a catalog, even though they do decide to just give it out to WWE whenever WWE asks for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've gotten interesting history, but there's no real future value right now in TNA, even amidst this resurgence they've had over the last two years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep hearing people say, yeah, but the tape catalog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, when was the last time anybody put out a tape?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now that WWE, because in theory, WWE network, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can go watch whatever it was worth while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this would have to still be licensed out to somebody, and AEW doesn't really have a licenseee partner, and they're going to have even less of one when this paramount merger completes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they can't just say put it on HBO Max, they can't say put it on Paramount Plus, because they don't really care about that library, and you don't even have your own AEW library fully on these services right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not even about buying a tape.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about having some type of subscription service.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I don't believe that an AEW fan is really interested in going back and watching Desmond Wolf matches from TNA impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: don't go back in the watch the three way with Daniel styles and Joe and that's it and and look Netflix doesn't even want the old WWE shows that's why they're putting them all on YouTube you can put all the stuff on YouTube where it's already at anyways and maybe do a little bit monetization but if you had forty million dollars you could make your own wrestling company and probably out draw TNA and get a TV contract.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably, I mean, honestly at this point, yeah, there's, I mean, do you think there's just more baggage with the TNA name these days than there is any potential and like, you know, getting value out of it, I don't think it's baggage, I think they're not bringing anything new to the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just more wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no hook for TNA where you go, oh, it is a thing that is existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the, if you ever saw animal house, they talked about Delta House has existed for many years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what TNA is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have existed and that's it and it's like they had some interesting periods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you go, okay, what style is TNA wrestling?
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[SPEAKER_02]: you go, it's just more wrestling with backstage angles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's every wrestling you see light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is with with performers that don't have jobs that you have jobs in the other two companies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is mostly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just I don't see, and the big companies have two shows a week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The market is saturated with wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The only people who want more wrestling at this point
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[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling fans who only watch wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see a market for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see it having a hook.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see it being that interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see it existing for jobs and look, I went everybody to work and get paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't see any value.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see any value in anybody who's not an angel investor who is willing to lose that money, investing in TNA as a profitable venture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Megan Bane and Lena Cross versus Thunder Rosa and Olympia who you got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leet Health, the divine dominion run through them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a short night, 30 seconds and they're off to do pictures around town again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A.W.
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[SPEAKER_03]: World Tag Team titles, Copen Cage versus the dogs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Copen Cage, that was a terrible segment also, where they're doing comedy in the middle of a beatdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the young box versus mystical and masquerade rada versus shingo tikagi and titan titan titan titan well let's see that the the the luchador team is fighting for the ROH tag title so this could potentially be for that but titan's taking a loss from somebody and it's probably going to be the box because i don't think uh... i don't think must i don't think dorada is getting the world titles for ROH
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[SPEAKER_03]: A. W. Continental title, John Moxley versus Bandito.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a draw or moxley wins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see I thought I saw something where Bandito could win today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The title off of Moxley to get him into this world title picture with will again, but I think I think actually Brody King's going to take the title off of Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's exactly what Tony Khan would fucking do, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is you have this match?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will us, Bray, wins against Swerve to become the number one contender at all in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just throw another guy randomly into the world title picture before that shit happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For no effing reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Dito, I would also love if they combine the ROH and the continental titles, because this continental championship is the stupidest thing that you have at this moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like it happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have side interference for the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Have the continental classic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to have a year-long championship belt out of this tournament, especially when it's time the next one comes around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The person who won the tournament isn't the fucking champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's a thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make that your your G1 slash new new Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's supposed to be and the winner gets a title shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of all the ideas not to steal from New Japan, like this apparently is that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shota Umano against Pack for the IWG Global Heavyweight Championship, and you may think Global Heavyweight, that must be the biggest belt in the promotion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, and New Japan needs to save some face, or they're getting a win on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shota is absolutely getting a win here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thekla versus Starlight Kid for the Women's World Title in AEW.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't triggered to me, Rob.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the most intriguing match on this show because you could give.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You might, you might now be a sicko again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I love Tecla, Tecla is great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Mercedes is winning the Owen, which I think she is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She could want Starlight Kid as a match for her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't necessarily see that happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see some sort of thing where
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Alex Windsor's probably going to beat Tecla on some show on a Wednesday and then it's going to be Mercedes and Alex Windsor in some fashion at Wembley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I think Tecla wins this, but I think it's kind of intriguing that Starlight could could get a win here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pronounced Tecla.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mercedes-Manay versus Maya World, the women's Owen Hart Cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's too many people saying, oh, they should do Maya World here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See what you have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who he's a hell is she Mercedes Monade she was she was along with uh... i forgot her tag team partners name they were brought in with nixon rule and uh...
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her tag partner walked out and they earned a contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she happened to be around when, unfortunately, her brother died and she was there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they threw her into the tournament when somebody got injured.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she got a win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was a little dark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just trying to make fun of Maya.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even making fun of Maya world because she's actually fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually, I thought you really didn't know who she was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But no, I know who my a world is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The problem that I'm trying to emphasize here is the fact that kind of like when Alex wins or showed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When a lot of people show up, when Rio showed up, like they're just like, oh, these people are on TV now and prominent roles with no backstory, with no build.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just supposed to know and think that they're good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and and my world is not ready for this right now and Mercedes is going to win she's going to get another accolade and will she go for the a w world title will she go for the uh for the a w uh secondary belt who knows but she is going for something and well she's going to get a world championship match if she wins this one so that's happening and i guess you do that at Wembley it give Mercedes Manay the the world title at Wembley as well
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say at this point, still probably your most popular female wrestler on the card, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because Tony Storm isn't there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Tony Storm isn't there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And even outside of Tony Storm, like if you're not NAW fan, I still don't think you Tony Storm doesn't resonate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mercedes-Benz Monade doesn't really resonate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I still hear, I've talked to people who call her Sasha Banks, and she hasn't been Sasha Banks in five years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kenny Omega versus Zach Saber Jr.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a singles match for the nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Omega is going to win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Omega is going to win because he's getting the title matching Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, yeah, he's he's going to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll just have to see how much of this match takes place on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zack Saber just loves rolling on the map.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Team Brisco, Mark Brisco, Orange Cassidy, Roderick Strong, Kyle O'Reilly, Knowsuke Takeshita, Darby Allen, versus team M.J. F.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the Don Callous Family and M.J. F. Kevin Knight, Kyle Fletcher, Jake Doyle, Kazuchko, Kada, Andre, Andrade, Elidolo, who is winning, who is taking the fall, who is getting the pin, and why or why will someone crazy show up at the end, even though it makes absolutely no sense for them to do so?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to get another Don Callous Family member at the end of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you're saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know who it could be, or all the WWE releases, like, are they final yet, or are we still in our 90 days?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because something someone's showing up, and I, God, I don't know who it could possibly be, who would even make sense in this, so for that matter, I'm saying Goldberg shows up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think first go pins, I'm Jeff, with the help of on Droughty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do, I mean, everything else is, you know, somebody pins like Jake Doyle,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, you got to pin mjf here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but there's a way where the doghouse family wins this in some way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's there's absolutely a way and you just don't give Mark brisco the match and then that would tell me, okay, Tony, Con realizes, why am I doing Mark brisco in a title match?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then I'll look back and be like, well, what the hell was last six weeks?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like really what the hell are you doing the last six weeks for just the troll people who are like mark brisk or shouldn't be in the title match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you think it's going to get one over on MJF, like if you think it's making MJF even this bigger hated guy as he heads into Will Osprey, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you have to have MJF in the match with Mark brisco and do something necessarily versus just not even getting them in the match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then your real main event of the show, even though it's probably not going last, will Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Swerve Strickland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess they could probably put this on last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But will Osprey, Swerve Strickland, the men's Owen Hart Cup final, the winner goes on to Wembley at AEW all in for the AEW world title, all in is on August 30th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's plenty of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's two months before this match takes place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they even have a paper view before that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Am I right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have redemption and Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Redemption and Montreal, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Kenny Omega, I mean, you, Kenny Omega versus MJF, you think, huh?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Kenny Omega and Will Osprey for the title.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Kenny Omega, even though he doesn't win this so Owen Hart Cup, gets the title match first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: which is another just insanity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But any who, uh, yeah, who you got in the swirv strickling will aspiry match and try to try to tell me why, why, oh, why it could be swirv.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's there's absolutely no, and this is also part of the problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody believes swirv can win here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The question with swirv is this hangman show up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that we can rekindle that a best of 8,000 in one future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they're together and they beat down Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be kind of interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Osprey's winning this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to hear about how it's going to be such an awesome moment at Wembley in a half empty Wembley stadium for all in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to, and we're going to get more deathwriters pumping up Will Osprey for his big title win in Wimbly, and then trying to take credit for it afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is all just, this is all just in service of his stupid deathwriters story, which is point break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to eventually have Bodhi turn on piano Reeves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, could this be the start?
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[SPEAKER_03]: granted it started a couple weeks ago, but could this potentially be, you know, us nearing the finish line on the on the death writers, because if we get Will Osprey and John Moxley towards the end of the year, could we potentially see the end of the death writers by the end of this calendar year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, then I'm all for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all for whatever you're doing, Tony Khan, if we get the end of the death writers.