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People will decide a game really because it's not well.
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These tools are designed well, used there for Garrett to
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help him get in and out, unseen and unheard.
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That's what they're.
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Theft well, but but perhaps not unnoticed because you have
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to you have to realize this game is about immersion.
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When you do you use most arrows as supreme.
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No, No, because they leave traces.
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That's what that was my question. That's why.
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Okay, because you can't you get rid of them with water?
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But yeah, yeah, maybe maybe maybe you can use them.
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Yeah, gets rid of blood, I know that much. I
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think they may even get rid of moss rows not no,
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that's been a long time.
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Yeah, I think it doesn't.
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Doesn't it grow when you put a water error on
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moss ero because the moss is like growing with the water.
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I think there was some mission where it was I
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think it was a fan mission because I was impossible.
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I don't know. I think it was explained maybe in
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a letter or something like, hey, I found out that
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blah blah blah, and then you try this and then
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it worked. I think.
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But either way, I suggest that about this Supreme Ghost
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because because this is this is like an episode on
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itself because there's a big divide between you and you
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and I or Alex and I because we have different styles.
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So we can go back to topic, because we were
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now talking about three and four. Like the first missions
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from those games, if you remember.
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Them, I think I remember the mission from the third one.
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Yeah, that was the inn.
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Yeah, I remember that. Quite a good mission.
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Yeah, what was basic? And it did almost it was
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like I think it was like a compromise between like
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a keeper training from the first game and the first
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mission running interference from the second. It was I didn't
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like that.
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If I felt that it was, it was, yeah, it
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I would prefer both of those previous options over this
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one because this one was a forced training and I
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was playing the game for let's say the third time,
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and I'd still have to go through that little thing, and.
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The narrative wasn't given and the mission was totally stream led.
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It was just like like a tunnel. Yeah, right, So
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it doesn't like in the keepers Training, of course there
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was the narrative. Of course, this was this was a
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parkour and part optional. That's great. And in Thief two
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you have like you have like a bigger mission that
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it is like put into the narrative and and Thief
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three made like, yeah, it was just one path.
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I think you can't understand that they were making issue
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for the console audience as well, which quite frankly, I
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don't think it is as good at gaming as the
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PC people.
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And they needed to introduce it to new players again.
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Exactly, so they had to do it in a very easy, simple,
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almost hand fed manner.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was o key. I think it was
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a compromise with what I could live with that.
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Yeah, the review on YouTube about Thief, it was quite
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right that Thief didn't one of the things that made
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Thief great because it didn't hand feed you everything like
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modern day games do. It literally holds your hand through
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the entire mission game as it were, But Thief never
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did that.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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Yeah, you can't use your brain and you use a
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bit of patience as well to you know, complete it,
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especially when things like Expert Yeah.
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That's right. And the beginning of Thief four, do you
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remember that?
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No, I think I actually deliberately deleted it from my brain.
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I actually thought this was the same one, uh, are
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you know? Because the beginning was pretty stupid. It was
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like with the girl. What was her name? Error, error,
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I don't know, Erin. Erin was her name, And that
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was stupid. But then after like Garrett came back to
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the city and then he had to go home and
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he had to go through the city, and then on
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his way there he found like a jewelry store, and
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of course he erupped it because it was an opportunity
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and that was teaching you the things pretty well. The introduction,
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the tutorial like introduction was totally stupid. So they did
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like two tutorials, you know, but of course they had
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to to try to get in the like the newer
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gamers you know that are not like that. They don't
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figure things out on their own. They want to get
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told because they were the games. The newer games tell
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them like how to play, and they are used to that,
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and so they had to do that with the four
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which is said but I could understand.
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When why it shocked.
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Yeah, it's I think it was okay, but totally killed.
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Garrett was not Garrett, because like there is that one
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guy and he, you know, Garrett is like suspicious, but
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just for a minute and then he's like, yeah, okay,
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let's go with it, you know, And this guy framed
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him later, you know, so it's not they didn't get
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it there. There was no hammorh rights mentioned. There were
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no you're nothing of the past seemed to be happened.
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Not even made. It really really panched. I don't even
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remember the pagans either.
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No, nothing, nothing of the what made the original games great.
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Yeah, previous games, and you didn't get anything from it
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those three games, which is sorry, but that's not even
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that to me is lazy.
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Can't be bothered, right, But that's the thing. They did
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amazing in Thief too, Like they didn't change so much
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from the setting, but they were like, okay, Hamorrhrights were
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like the except for the like the monsters. Hamorrhids were
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like the strongest enemies, you know, like from human perspective,
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People will decide a game really because it's not well.
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These tools are designed well, used there for Garrett to
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help him get in and out, unseen and unheard.
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That's what they're.
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Theft well, but but perhaps not unnoticed because you have
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to you have to realize this game is about immersion.
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When you do you use most arrows as supreme.
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No, No, because they leave traces.
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That's what that was my question. That's why.
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Okay, because you can't you get rid of them with water?
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But yeah, yeah, maybe maybe maybe you can use them.
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Yeah, gets rid of blood, I know that much. I
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think they may even get rid of moss rows not no,
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that's been a long time.
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Yeah, I think it doesn't.
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Doesn't it grow when you put a water error on
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moss ero because the moss is like growing with the water.
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I think there was some mission where it was I
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think it was a fan mission because I was impossible.
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I don't know. I think it was explained maybe in
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a letter or something like, hey, I found out that
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blah blah blah, and then you try this and then
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it worked. I think.
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But either way, I suggest that about this Supreme Ghost
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because because this is this is like an episode on
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itself because there's a big divide between you and you
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and I or Alex and I because we have different styles.
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So we can go back to topic, because we were
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now talking about three and four. Like the first missions
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from those games, if you remember.
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Them, I think I remember the mission from the third one.
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Yeah, that was the inn.
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Yeah, I remember that. Quite a good mission.
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Yeah, what was basic? And it did almost it was
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like I think it was like a compromise between like
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a keeper training from the first game and the first
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mission running interference from the second. It was I didn't
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like that.
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If I felt that it was, it was, yeah, it
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I would prefer both of those previous options over this
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one because this one was a forced training and I
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was playing the game for let's say the third time,
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and I'd still have to go through that little thing, and.
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The narrative wasn't given and the mission was totally stream led.
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It was just like like a tunnel. Yeah, right, So
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it doesn't like in the keepers Training, of course there
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was the narrative. Of course, this was this was a
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parkour and part optional. That's great. And in Thief two
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you have like you have like a bigger mission that
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it is like put into the narrative and and Thief
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three made like, yeah, it was just one path.
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I think you can't understand that they were making issue
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for the console audience as well, which quite frankly, I
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don't think it is as good at gaming as the
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PC people.
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And they needed to introduce it to new players again.
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Exactly, so they had to do it in a very easy, simple,
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almost hand fed manner.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was o key. I think it was
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a compromise with what I could live with that.
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Yeah, the review on YouTube about Thief, it was quite
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right that Thief didn't one of the things that made
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Thief great because it didn't hand feed you everything like
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modern day games do. It literally holds your hand through
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the entire mission game as it were, But Thief never
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did that.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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Yeah, you can't use your brain and you use a
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bit of patience as well to you know, complete it,
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especially when things like Expert Yeah.
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That's right. And the beginning of Thief four, do you
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remember that?
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No, I think I actually deliberately deleted it from my brain.
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I actually thought this was the same one, uh, are
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you know? Because the beginning was pretty stupid. It was
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like with the girl. What was her name? Error, error,
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I don't know, Erin. Erin was her name, And that
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was stupid. But then after like Garrett came back to
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the city and then he had to go home and
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he had to go through the city, and then on
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his way there he found like a jewelry store, and
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of course he erupped it because it was an opportunity
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and that was teaching you the things pretty well. The introduction,
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the tutorial like introduction was totally stupid. So they did
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like two tutorials, you know, but of course they had
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to to try to get in the like the newer
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gamers you know that are not like that. They don't
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figure things out on their own. They want to get
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told because they were the games. The newer games tell
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them like how to play, and they are used to that,
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and so they had to do that with the four
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which is said but I could understand.
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When why it shocked.
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Yeah, it's I think it was okay, but totally killed.
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Garrett was not Garrett, because like there is that one
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guy and he, you know, Garrett is like suspicious, but
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just for a minute and then he's like, yeah, okay,
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let's go with it, you know, And this guy framed
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him later, you know, so it's not they didn't get
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it there. There was no hammorh rights mentioned. There were
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no you're nothing of the past seemed to be happened.
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Not even made. It really really panched. I don't even
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remember the pagans either.
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No, nothing, nothing of the what made the original games great.
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Yeah, previous games, and you didn't get anything from it
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those three games, which is sorry, but that's not even
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that to me is lazy.
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Can't be bothered, right, But that's the thing. They did
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amazing in Thief too, Like they didn't change so much
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from the setting, but they were like, okay, Hamorrhrights were
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like the except for the like the monsters. Hamorrhids were
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like the strongest enemies, you know, like from human perspective,
