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In the early nineteen seventies, the idyllic Californian seaside town
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of Santa Cruz would be plunged into panic.
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One day there would be a body part found somewhere
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or washing in from the ocean.
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Innocent young women were being raped, murdered, and dismembered.
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He picked up a sack with the remains and then.
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Heaped it over.
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And all the while, the elusive killer was right under
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the noses of the cops that pursued him.
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He had a great personality. He was a likable guy.
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What kind of man could commit such heenous crimes?
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He would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
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Was he a terrible product of his environment?
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His mother would lock in the basement room at night
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because she had this idea that he could possibly sexually
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assault his sisters.
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Butcher born to kill.
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He just erupted ah.
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Santa Cruz up through the sixties was a small beach town.
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It was a surf town, and it was a retirement town.
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Then the university popped onto the scene in nineteen sixty five.
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It was the dawn of the Hippies, of the Age
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of Aquarius, so there was a very free and easy
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feel to life here.
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A lot of the counterculture that essentially led over from
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San Francisco area and came down here. A lot of
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the so called the hippie types ended up forming communes
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here in Santa Cruz County, and that was attractive to
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a lot of young people and including young girls, and
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people were coming from all over the country just to
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live that free and liberating lifestyle.
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But in nineteen seventy two, the piece in Santa Cruz
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would be shattered.
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All of a sudden. There were bodies being washed in
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on the ocean. There were grizzly discoveries, and the thought
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was from a lot of people in town, what the
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hell is happening to our little paradise.
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We were dealing with a lot of missing person reports.
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It became clear that somebody was killing young co ed hitchhikers.
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Eighteen year old Fresno College students Anita lukesse vanishes.
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Severed head found in the mountain. It was just a skull.
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We had no body.
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Mary Anne pesh An, eighteen year old co ed and
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talented skier, disappears.
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It became a very confusing time for homicide investigators.
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Fifteen year old many dumps and mikah Ku abducted.
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It just seemed like a world gone crazy.
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Cindy Show. Eighteen years old and baby sitting to earn
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her way through college goes missing.
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I remember at the time very much wanting to get him,
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I mean, get them off the streets, catch him, put
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them away.
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The media christened the mystery killer the co ed butcher.
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Whenever we see somebody under the age of eighteen who
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was hitchhiking.
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We would pick them up and take them to juvenile Hall.
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And there became a big outcry of that that we
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were violating their right to hitchhike, but in reality is
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that we were just trying to save their lives.
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And it went on. Twenty three year old Rosalin Thupe
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vanishes from the Santa Cruz.
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Campus every time we have a missing person report, where
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it just fearful that this was going to be another
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homicide victim.
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And twenty one year old student Alison Lou disappears.
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For We had no clue as to who was doing this.
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They didn't know what the hell was going on.
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And indiscriminate murder cases are extremely hard to solve because
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there's no rhyme nor reason.
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Because the culture at the time was there were a
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lot of drugs going on here and a lot of
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the so called hippie movement. I suppose individually we may
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have thought it may have had something to do with that.
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In Apool nineteen seventy three, as part of the routine
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firearms inquiry, Detective Michael Leloufi would come face to face
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not with a drug crazed hippie, but with a shorthaired
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conservative young man popular with local police.
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The Sheriff's office that I worked for at the time
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received what we call a dealer's record of sale. One
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of our records clerks brought back to us a file
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card and said, you know, this guy just tried to
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buy a gun and his record was expunged.
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But I could.
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See through the blackout that he was involved in a
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murder in Madera County some years ago.
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Affectionately known as Big Ed, the twenty five year old
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six foot nine inch two hundred and eighty pound Edmund
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Kemper was a regular fixture at Cops bar the jury room.
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He would come down to a local watering hole that
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US police officers would go to after work and hang
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out and talk with us.
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He was at a great personality.
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He was very friendly, very outgoing, and he was a
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likable guy.
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The discussion became, well, who's going to go take the
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gun away from this guy? Because when you look at
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his dealer's record of sale, he's six feet eight and
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a half and two hundred and eighty five pounds, so
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he's a pretty big guy. So, being the junior detect,
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if I drew the straw, there.
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Was some apprehension involved.
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Just dude in the guy's size, big man, big gun,
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and little on me.
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Although unfamiliar to a loofy, the gun owner was definitely
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not considered a suspect in the co ed killings. Big
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Ed lived with his mother on a pleasant, peaceful suburban street,
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but the address was unclear.
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We parked right there and we looked around, couldn't find
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much of anything. There were several places that had basically
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the same address, so we weren't sure which one was his.
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We were I'm just guessing at this point, right around
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this point, right here, when a car came around the
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curve and pulled up right there where that car is,
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I told Don, I said, let me go ask this
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guy if he knows where Kemper is.
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So as I approached the car.
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There was a gentleman in the car, lying across the
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front seat with the door open, and he was fiddling
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underneath the dashboard. And I was just about to this
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point when I said, excuse me, I'd.
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Like to speak with you for a second.
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When he got out of the car, he got out
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of the car, and he got out of the car,
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and he got out of the car, and immediately I
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knew that this was mister Kemper, the man I was
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looking for, because he towered over me and I'm six
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week tall. So from here we explained that what we
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needed to do we needed to take his weapon to make.
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Sure that he was authorized to have that legally.
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We came to the trunk and he had his keys
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in his pocket and he went to put the key
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in there, and so my partner and I instinctively, whether
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it be instinct or training, separated, and I came around
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to this side of the car on the trunk, and
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my partner was on the other side, and.
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We had our hands on the guns.
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The only thing that was in the trunk was a
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bungle like in a blanket of some sort of towel.
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He started to reach in for it and I said, no,
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wait a minute, let me get it.
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I reached in the trunk, got the bungle, and inside
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of that was the weapon.
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We're looking for it.
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And I noticed there was nothing in the trunk, no
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liner in the trunk or anything. I thought that was
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a little strange, but we took the handgun and we.
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Left and Loofy handed the gun in at the station
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and thought no more about it. Two weeks later, five
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o'clock in the morning, Officer Jim Connor is on the
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night shift when he overhears a colleague taking a call
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from the gun owner.
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Knowing ed, I got on the phone and we we
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started talking.
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I could tell that something wasn't right. Pueblo, Colorado.
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He was in a phone booth and he hadn't had
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any sleep for several days, and he said he had
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done something really bad. He said that he had killed
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his mother and a friend of hers.
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He said that they were at his house.
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And he asked me if I knew Mickey A Loofy,
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and I said yes, and he says, well, my house
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is hard to find. Mickey knows how to find it
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very easily because he had been out there and had
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confiscated a.
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Gun officers contacted Detective Aloofy at his home.
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I'm standing there getting all this information and giving all
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this information, and I have this tremendous feeling of all
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of the blood just rushing out of my body.
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It was just, oh my god, this is unreal.
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One of the deputies broke the back window, which is
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on the other side of the sliding glass door, and
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then we started looking to see if we could locate
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the bodies in the classic we pulled back a sheet
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and we saw some hair and some blood.
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Then Big ed Kemper made a startlingk confession.
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He made comments to Jim Conner on the telephone that
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he had killed all of the.
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Co eds too.
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Taken into custody, twenty four year old Edmund Kemper would
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then reveal an extraordinary and sickening tale. In the early
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nineteen seventies, the Californian beach resort of Santa Cruz had
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been stunned by the mysterious disappearance of a series of
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young college els and a catalog of gruesome discoveries. Then,
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in April nineteen seventy three, twenty four year old six
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foot nine inch Edmund Kemper unexpectedly confessed that he was
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the infamous co Ed Butcher and that he now had
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a tally of ten murder victims to his name. Taken
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into custody, he would now reveal his extraordinary story.
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The co ed killer had such a fascinating life.
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Born in nineteen forty eight, Edmund Kemper was the middle
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child of three.
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His mother and his father were very strict disciplinarians. There
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was no leeway one way or the other.
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Growing up in Burbank, California, Kempe looked up to his father,
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but had difficulties with his mother, Clanel.
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She was a punitive person that he resented greatly. She
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was harsh, aggressive, putting him down. I think when he
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was younger.
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Call it verbally abusive, I don't know, but very very
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aggressive verbally.
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In nineteen fifty seven, after years of unhappy marriage, the
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nine year old Edmund's parents divorced Clanel, Edmund and his
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two sisters moved away. Kempe was already behaving oddly.
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He showed a lot of pathology.
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As a child.
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He would cut off the heads of his sister's dolls
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in other ways deform the dolls.
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At ten, he had made a comment that if he
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ever had to kiss his teacher, he would have to
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kill her. And when you think about a nine and
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ten year old at that point having that kind of
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a thought process, you begin to wonder, you know, what
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is it about him?
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The young Kemper was developing a violent fantasy life. He
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moved from dismembering dolls to harming animals. He admitted once
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bearing a cat alive, later digging its body up to
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play with.
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There's many many serial sexual murderers that have a background
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of killing cats, torturing cats, tormenting cats. Why cats, because
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cats are a female symbol.
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Kemper was showing warning signs that the FBI have since
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identified as common amongst a number of serial killers.
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Basically, as you're dealing with a young male that is
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engaged in fantasies that are average and destructive and violent
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before adolescent, you're looking at the individual and has a
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broken home, a cold and distant mother, an absent father,
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through divorce or just abandonment, they get into animal torturing.
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There are patterns that are identifiable.
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Kemper grew taller, stronger, and stranger.
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His mother put him in the basement room and would
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lock him in at night because she had this idea
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that he could possibly sexually assault his sisters.
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He described as having a cot and a sleeping bag
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and a light hanging down from the ceiling with just
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a bare bulb and a string. Talked about it as
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being a very difficult time in his life, very scary.
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He could hear rats running around at night and that
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kind of thing.
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As a teenager, Kemper left his mother, heading to Los
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Angeles to seek out the dad he idolized.
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He had hoped to go and live with his father,
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and he described to me that when he went there,
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he was rejected by his father.
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Edmund Kemper was sent to live with his paternal grandparents
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on their remote farm. Here, the troubled teenager's violent fantasies
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would be realized for the first time.
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He found his grandmother to be an authoritarian and a
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disciplinarian like his mother.
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His grandfather was out shopping or whatever, and he took
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a twenty two and shot and kill his grandmother. When
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he realized his grandfather would be coming home and finding
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his wife dead, they were elderly, he decided he couldn't
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allow his grandfather to go through that trauma. So when
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his grandfather came in, he shot and killed him.
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He said he didn't want the grandfather to suffer knowing
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that his wife was dead.
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It's the most bizarre statement.
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I mean, you don't go out and just shoot somebody
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to keep them from finding out that their wife is dead.
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Kempell was diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic and sent to the Secure,
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a Tascadero State Hospital.
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That was a very harmful place for him to be institutionalized.
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He certainly learned a lot of bad things.
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Dr William Schanberger was one of the facility's staff.
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In those days, we had sixteen hundred patients in the hospital.
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There were probably several dozen people who had committed murder,
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eight hundred mentally disordered sex offenders. We had psychology staff
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of only ten people or so.
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Although not Kemper's therapist, Shanberger would have regular contact with
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the inmate.
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It is a bright fellow, and that was obvious when
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you were talking with him.
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He was kind of a moral patient.
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The likable Kemper soon became a trusted assistant to the
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psychology staff that dealt with the hundreds of sex offenders.
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He had so much access to the records and there
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would be detailed descriptions that the message used in carrying
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out the crimes techniques of deception.
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Remember, he was fifteen when he went into the mental hospital,
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and he really had never had any sexual experience at all.
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Generally, what you'll find is that the child will pursue
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these silent fantasies, and in adolescents the sexual element will
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come on board and they will have sexual fantasies that
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develop along the lines of using people as an abject
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rather than a partner. They want to do something to somebody,
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not with somebody.
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He had a fantasy life.
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He described himself as masturbating new times during the day
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when he was in the mental hospital.
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As part of his duties, Kemper had access to the
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hospital's psychological test papers.
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Kemper was very smart.
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He knew what a psychiatrists psychologists wanted to hear. He
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knew all the criteria for different diagnoses. They treated him,
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and I think they thought they cured him.
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After five years in the secure hospital, Edmund Kemper, now
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twenty years old and six feet nine inches tall, was released.
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He was discharged by the way to the Youth Authority
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with the recommendation not for him to live with his mother. Unfortunately,
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the youth authority didn't follow the advice, and he wound
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up living with his mother.
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His social life, i'd say was very inadequate. As he
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described it, felt particularly inadequate around women. So I think
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he was lonely.
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Here was a young man, he's twenty one, twenty two,
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and he probably never had a date in his life,
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probably have the usual interest in needs to connect with women.
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What can you tell someone about yourself that I murdered
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my grandparents and I was in a mental hospital for
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the last five years of my life. I can't imagine
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how difficult it would have had to be. That doesn't
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excuse you anything, but in my mind describes the situation.
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So he started picking up codes, and some of them
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he wound up murdering. And I'm doing even worse things.
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At times in custody, Edmund Kemper would reveal to investigators
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the full horror of his extraordinary crimes in minute and
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graphic detail.
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It's about as serious and complex series of sexual pathologies
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as I've come across.
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He said a lot of things that they're kind of disturbing.
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In nineteen seventy three, after the disappearance and murder of
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half a dozen young college girls. Detectives held Edmund Kemper
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in custody, and the six foot nine inch killer was
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eager to talk, leading detectives to the scenes of his crimes.
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He would explain his murders in chilling detail to anybody
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who'd listen.
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He talked and talked and talked, and just gave every
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bit of information you could ever dream of. And he
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goes into great detail about the things that he did
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to these girls.
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Most of the serial killers I've worked with fall into
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two distinct types. One group of serial killers will never
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like to talk about their offending behavior at all, whereas
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the second group of serial killers are desperate to talk
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about their killing. They're desperate to be at the heart
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of the story.
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He said a lot of things that they're kind of disturbing.
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Investigators learned how Kemper had taken months to develop his
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strategy for production.
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He spent a lot of time traveling all over central
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California and even down in the Los Angeles. And what
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he would do is he would find hitchhikers and he
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would essentially do a practice rode.
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As he would drive off with the young woman, he
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would look over at them, think about fondling the breast,
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and have great sexual curiosity about them.
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Over numerous trips, Kemper honed his harmless persona and perfected
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his plans. Only then did he feel confident enough to
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act out his fantasies. On the seventh of May nineteen
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seventy two, Edmund Kemper picked up two eighteen year old friends,
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mary Anne Pesh and Anita Lukes near the university campus
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in Berkeley.
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They would get in the car and he would drive off,
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and immediately he would say, oh, I don't think your door,
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Cardora is closed.
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And he's huge. He's a big man.
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He could reach all the way across the car, open it,
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close it, and then he would drop a chapstick behind
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that mechanism, so if they became afraid or they wanted
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to get out, it wouldn't allow the mechanism to work.
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Kemper drove them to a remote spot. He teld detectives
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that holding the girls at gunpoint, he had forced Anita
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to climb into the trunk. He then returned to the
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car and stabbed mary Anne until she was dead.
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Just think about Anita lukesha in the trunk listening to
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her best friend being stabbed and hearing her screaming, I mean,
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you know, it's pretty pretty heavy stuff.
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Actually, Kemper then opened the trunk and killed Anita. He
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took the dead girls to an apartment he was renting. There,
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he dismembered them before dumping their remainers in the mountains.
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All the while the police hunted the mysterious co ed butcher.
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The seemingly harmless Edmund Kemper was sitting next to them
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in their favorite bar.
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I remember I'd being there on many occasions, especially during
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the time of the homicides that were going on. He
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would come in and have a few beers with the guys.
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He was a likable guy.
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While he was with them, he was able to think
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about here, I am an ongoing murderer, and they don't
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know anything about it, and they foy except me, and
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I'm one of the boys. A police groupie. Actually, it's
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the best way of describing it.
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Many serial sexual murderers have a fascination with police. That's
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part of their psychology, and they do that for a
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number of different reasons. To hang out with them was one,
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but they also sometimes can follow the investigation and see
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if they're talking about it at all. This is very
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stimulating for them.
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It was just talk about, you know, a girl found here,
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a girl found there, and body parts washed up on.
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Shore, this kind of thing.
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It was a conversation among the guys when we were
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at the jury room.
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On the fourteenth of September nineteen seventy two, kemp Has
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spotted fifteen year old ballet student Hikokup hitchhiking. She missed
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her bus and was worried about being late for dance class.
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She had made a sign because she missed the bus
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she needed to get to San Francisco. She was very young, small,
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easy to overpower.
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Got in the car. He drove across the.
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Bay to San Francisco, but unfortunately for her, just kept going.
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This little girl was terrified.
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Obviously, Kemper bound, gagged, and then suffocated his captive. But
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it was only when Kemper took his victims' bodies home
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that he could fully act out his twisted fantasies.
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With most of them. He would actually have intercourse with
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the dead woman. He would have sex with her entire body,
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then sometimes all so with a decapitated body, and then
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sometimes he would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
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It's not unusual for a serial murderer to have sexual
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actions with a decapitated body. It's because it's not a
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person to them. To them, it's an object.
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I have the power to do anything I want with
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this woman. She's mine, and I can do anything that
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I'm curious about, do anything I've only dreamed about doing,
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and nobody can do anything about it. Power is a
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big part of it, but extreme sexual pathology is another.
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In order to evade detection, Kemper would separate his victims'
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body parts and dump them in different locations, just minutes
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from Detective Terry Medina's home.
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When I did find out that he was up here,
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that that was that maybe reflect on my wife.
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You know, we had two small kids.
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Up here and.
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She would be home alone a lot. So that gave
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me kind of a funny feeling in the pit of
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your stomach. He was a predator. Well, this is would
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be approximately the place that Kemper parked the car.
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Very remote.
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It was even more remote thirty years ago than it
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is today. There was nothing up here there and it
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was just in the mountains. Picked up a sack and
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then carried it right to the edge, and remember there
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was no fence here.
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Heaped it over.
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And that was the remains of my cuckoo.
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Of all of these.
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Murders, that's the one that I think affects me the
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most as I think about it. I mean, they're all brutal,
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but that one just seemed to.
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Stick with me.
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There's there's some those of us that do murder cases.
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There's always some that seemed to get inside you.
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Kemper would go on to claim the lives of three
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more co ed hitchhikers, three year old Rosalin Thuorpe, twenty
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one year old Alison lou and eighteen year old Cindy Shall,
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babysitter to police officer Jim Connor's kids.
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She was young, you know, she needed money like anyone else.
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She was very pleasant and knowing that she was a
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student at the university, we felt very safe that we
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could trust her with her children.
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He had shot her with the twenty two.
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Kemper took Cindy's body to his bedroom in his mother's apartment.
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He had dismembered her, but in his mind there was
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some relationship there. He had an attachment and he kept
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her head.
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Kemper told detectives he'd hidden Cindy's head in his mother's
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backyard beneath his bedroom window.
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He buried it was about two feet down in the
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backyard face his bedroom window, so that there was some
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connection in his mind.
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It was unbelievable because Ed seemed like, excuse the phrase,
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a general giant, you know, with a very nice personality
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and likable kind of guy, that he could be responsible
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for something like that.
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In addition to the murder of his grandparents, Edmund Kemper
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had taken the lives of six young women. Next he
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would commit a murder he dreamed.
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Of all his life.
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By March of nineteen seventy three, six feet nine inch,
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Edmund Kemper had kidnapped and six female co Edes without
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attracting suspicion. But in April, Detective Michael Alufi's routine visit
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to confiscate a firearm had unwittingly sent the suspicious Kemper
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into panic.
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This whole process of me taking the handgun away from him,
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he was under the impression that I was playing cat
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and mouse with him. He thought we were playing a
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game that we really knew he was the murder.
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Kemper worried his mother Klanel would now learn of his actions.
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He did not want her to suffer the embarrassment of
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what he did.
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Edmund Kemper resolved to finally commit a crime he had
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fantasized about since he was a child.
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He got up at four o'clock in the morning, took
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a hammer, went into his mother's bedroom, just jammed that
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hammer through her head several times.
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That was a very messy murder.
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Kempa's mother would suffer the same fate as the young
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co eds and more.
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He cut off her head and then he inserted his
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penis into her mouth, put it.
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On the mantle above the fireplace, and just yelled and
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screamed at it, and at times he threw darts at
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her face. He talked about all the time she had
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screamed at him and yelled at him or belittled him.
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He cut out her vocal cords and tried to destroy
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them in the garbage disposal unit at the sink, because
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it was her chastising him using those vocal cords that
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so bothered him.
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Fearing his mother's death would soon be discovered by her
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best friend, Kemper invited her to the house, murdered her,
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and then fled. It was only after driving for three
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days without rest that he called the police and gave
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himself up. Detective Medina was sent to the mother's apartment
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to process the crime scene.
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When we arrived, there was nothing disturbed. It looked like
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somebody had just left on vacation. We flipped over the
508
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mattress and of course it was soaked with blood and
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there was a note there. He left a note that
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said sorry, jents for the mass, but really had no time.
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That's the first time in my career, and I've been
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in this business forty three years that you know, the
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suspect left the cops and note.
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The bodies of Kemper's mother and her best friend had
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been carefully hidden in two closets. In October nineteen seventy three,
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Edmund Kemper would be tried for multiple murder. Both prosecution
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and defense searched for the answer to the question on
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everyone's lips.
519
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:03.960
Why would this large, friendly, cooperative guy, why would he
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kill all these people?
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Defense investigator Harold Cartwright spent over one hundred hours interviewing Kemper.
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I never at all felt threatened at any time by.
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You know, two hundred and sixty pounds or something, you know,
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six foot eight or whatever, and he's an enormous man,
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but he was just sort of like a gentle giant.
526
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:33.159
But it seems Kemper's demeanor with the opposite sex may
527
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:38.880
have been very different. Cameron Jackson, a graduate psychology student
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at the time, was asked to perform a standard personality
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test on him.
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I was the only person in the room with him,
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and I read the questions to him, and he was
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very cooperative, and then suddenly, just out of the blue,
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he simply he both sort of started to get up,
534
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and he just erupted like a volcano of ah like that,
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and his hands and everything, and I just went like
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that backwards and in immediately came to one or two
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policemen who calmed everything down. It was just so fast
538
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and such an overwhelming rush of anger and emotion and fury.
539
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I don't really remember the exact question now that I
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was asking, but I'm sure it has something to do
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with women, and I was a woman asking him questions.
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In the court room, Kemper's taped confessions were played aloud.
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I recall it sitting in the trial listening to the
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taped confession of Kemper, and looking around and seeing the
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face on the parents of the murdered girls, just the
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shock and the agony and what they had gone through.
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In the coverage of these terrible crimes, I think the
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most neglected aspect of the victims, there's a brief mention
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of their names. Usually these were all young college girls.
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They were working towards a career. They might have chosen
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to have a family. All of that is lost when
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a murderer comes along and takes them away.
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What a tragedy in those families where a young woman
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was murdered and taken away. The tragedy of that is
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as much alive today as it was back in nineteen
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seventy two.
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On the eighth of November, Edmund Kemper was found guilty
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of eight counts of first degree murder and sentenced to
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life imprisonment. So wan drove Kemper to take the lives
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of ten innocent victims?
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Was it his.
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Broken family life and the alleged emotional abuse from his mother,
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or was he simply boom to kill?
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He only once said something like.
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It was the way I could control them, And that's
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the only thing he ever said the entire time I
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dealt with him that had anything to do with why
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he did what he do.
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Ed Kemper is the classic sociopath. He feels no guilt.
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It's all about him, no compassionistwever.
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It's very difficult to say how he looked at what
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he was doing.
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Would a person who walked into the butcher have remorse
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about cutting up a chicken?
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I don't know.
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I doubt it, and I think that's what he looked at.
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An object that he could dismember.
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You know, you look at him and you say, Okay,
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something happened. His wiring was crossed, he had a chemical imbalance,
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he had something, and then you look at him and
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you say, no, this is strictly environmental. You know, the
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way he grew up, all the life experiences that he
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had led him to the point that he becomes this
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serial mass murder.
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Maybe he was killing his mother all along, Who knows.
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I think when we're all studying serial murderers, we want
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to find something to blame. It's got to be this
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crazy mother that he had who locked him in the cellar.
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But she must have felt something. You know, people who
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are around serial killers for a period of time will
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pick up some type of a feeling. They can't describe it,
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but they know something.
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There are genetic and biological factors, there are sociological factors,
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and there are complex psychological factors, all of which interact.
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And if we're going to ever reduce and prevent these things,
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we have to attack it on all these.
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I don't think anybody is bored to kill.
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I think everybody is born with a series of pluses
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and minuses in their makeup, both physically and mentally and emotionally.
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I think that things happen to people. Most people are
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able to cope with it, deal with it. Some people
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are not.
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Several years after Kemper had been incarcerated, the parcel arrived
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at the home of psychiatrist Dr William Shamberger, who'd been
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friendly with the teenage Edmund.
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I received in the mayor of this cup from ed Kepper.
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It said that it took him about a year to make,
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and it's a very very complex.
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It's like a battered cup.
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And on the cup has written also, I beg your
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pardon on the bottom I never promised.
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Jogh Rosegard meaning to be.
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I think a very serious apology.
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I think there is a side of him that would
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have given anything to be a normal person. I could
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see that in him. I could see it while he
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was testifying. There's a part of Ed Kemper that is
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as horrified and as disgusted with what he did as
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the rest of us are.
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I'm sure that there's no part of him that is
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happy with what he wound up doing.
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In the early nineteen seventies, the idyllic Californian seaside town
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of Santa Cruz would be plunged into panic.
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One day there would be a body part found somewhere
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or washing in from the ocean.
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Innocent young women were being raped, murdered, and dismembered.
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He picked up a sack with the remains and then.
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Heaped it over.
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And all the while, the elusive killer was right under
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the noses of the cops that pursued him.
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He had a great personality. He was a likable guy.
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What kind of man could commit such heenous crimes?
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He would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
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Was he a terrible product of his environment?
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His mother would lock in the basement room at night
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because she had this idea that he could possibly sexually
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assault his sisters.
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Butcher born to kill.
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He just erupted ah.
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Santa Cruz up through the sixties was a small beach town.
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It was a surf town, and it was a retirement town.
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Then the university popped onto the scene in nineteen sixty five.
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It was the dawn of the Hippies, of the Age
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of Aquarius, so there was a very free and easy
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feel to life here.
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A lot of the counterculture that essentially led over from
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San Francisco area and came down here. A lot of
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the so called the hippie types ended up forming communes
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here in Santa Cruz County, and that was attractive to
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a lot of young people and including young girls, and
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people were coming from all over the country just to
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live that free and liberating lifestyle.
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But in nineteen seventy two, the piece in Santa Cruz
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would be shattered.
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All of a sudden. There were bodies being washed in
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on the ocean. There were grizzly discoveries, and the thought
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was from a lot of people in town, what the
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hell is happening to our little paradise.
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We were dealing with a lot of missing person reports.
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It became clear that somebody was killing young co ed hitchhikers.
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Eighteen year old Fresno College students Anita lukesse vanishes.
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Severed head found in the mountain. It was just a skull.
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We had no body.
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Mary Anne pesh An, eighteen year old co ed and
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talented skier, disappears.
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It became a very confusing time for homicide investigators.
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Fifteen year old many dumps and mikah Ku abducted.
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It just seemed like a world gone crazy.
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Cindy Show. Eighteen years old and baby sitting to earn
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her way through college goes missing.
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I remember at the time very much wanting to get him,
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I mean, get them off the streets, catch him, put
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them away.
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The media christened the mystery killer the co ed butcher.
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Whenever we see somebody under the age of eighteen who
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was hitchhiking.
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We would pick them up and take them to juvenile Hall.
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And there became a big outcry of that that we
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were violating their right to hitchhike, but in reality is
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that we were just trying to save their lives.
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And it went on. Twenty three year old Rosalin Thupe
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vanishes from the Santa Cruz.
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Campus every time we have a missing person report, where
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it just fearful that this was going to be another
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homicide victim.
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And twenty one year old student Alison Lou disappears.
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For We had no clue as to who was doing this.
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They didn't know what the hell was going on.
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And indiscriminate murder cases are extremely hard to solve because
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there's no rhyme nor reason.
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Because the culture at the time was there were a
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lot of drugs going on here and a lot of
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the so called hippie movement. I suppose individually we may
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have thought it may have had something to do with that.
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In Apool nineteen seventy three, as part of the routine
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firearms inquiry, Detective Michael Leloufi would come face to face
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not with a drug crazed hippie, but with a shorthaired
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conservative young man popular with local police.
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The Sheriff's office that I worked for at the time
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received what we call a dealer's record of sale. One
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of our records clerks brought back to us a file
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card and said, you know, this guy just tried to
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buy a gun and his record was expunged.
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But I could.
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See through the blackout that he was involved in a
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murder in Madera County some years ago.
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Affectionately known as Big Ed, the twenty five year old
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six foot nine inch two hundred and eighty pound Edmund
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Kemper was a regular fixture at Cops bar the jury room.
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He would come down to a local watering hole that
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US police officers would go to after work and hang
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out and talk with us.
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He was at a great personality.
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He was very friendly, very outgoing, and he was a
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likable guy.
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The discussion became, well, who's going to go take the
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gun away from this guy? Because when you look at
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his dealer's record of sale, he's six feet eight and
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a half and two hundred and eighty five pounds, so
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he's a pretty big guy. So, being the junior detect,
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if I drew the straw, there.
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Was some apprehension involved.
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Just dude in the guy's size, big man, big gun,
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and little on me.
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Although unfamiliar to a loofy, the gun owner was definitely
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not considered a suspect in the co ed killings. Big
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Ed lived with his mother on a pleasant, peaceful suburban street,
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but the address was unclear.
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We parked right there and we looked around, couldn't find
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much of anything. There were several places that had basically
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the same address, so we weren't sure which one was his.
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We were I'm just guessing at this point, right around
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this point, right here, when a car came around the
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curve and pulled up right there where that car is,
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I told Don, I said, let me go ask this
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guy if he knows where Kemper is.
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So as I approached the car.
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There was a gentleman in the car, lying across the
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front seat with the door open, and he was fiddling
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underneath the dashboard. And I was just about to this
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point when I said, excuse me, I'd.
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Like to speak with you for a second.
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When he got out of the car, he got out
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of the car, and he got out of the car,
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and he got out of the car, and immediately I
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knew that this was mister Kemper, the man I was
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looking for, because he towered over me and I'm six
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week tall. So from here we explained that what we
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needed to do we needed to take his weapon to make.
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Sure that he was authorized to have that legally.
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We came to the trunk and he had his keys
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in his pocket and he went to put the key
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in there, and so my partner and I instinctively, whether
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it be instinct or training, separated, and I came around
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to this side of the car on the trunk, and
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my partner was on the other side, and.
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bungle like in a blanket of some sort of towel.
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He started to reach in for it and I said, no,
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wait a minute, let me get it.
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I reached in the trunk, got the bungle, and inside
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of that was the weapon.
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We're looking for it.
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And I noticed there was nothing in the trunk, no
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liner in the trunk or anything. I thought that was
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a little strange, but we took the handgun and we.
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Left and Loofy handed the gun in at the station
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and thought no more about it. Two weeks later, five
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o'clock in the morning, Officer Jim Connor is on the
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night shift when he overhears a colleague taking a call
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from the gun owner.
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Knowing ed, I got on the phone and we we
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started talking.
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I could tell that something wasn't right. Pueblo, Colorado.
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He was in a phone booth and he hadn't had
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any sleep for several days, and he said he had
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done something really bad. He said that he had killed
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his mother and a friend of hers.
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He said that they were at his house.
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And he asked me if I knew Mickey A Loofy,
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and I said yes, and he says, well, my house
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is hard to find. Mickey knows how to find it
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very easily because he had been out there and had
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confiscated a.
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Gun officers contacted Detective Aloofy at his home.
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I'm standing there getting all this information and giving all
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this information, and I have this tremendous feeling of all
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of the blood just rushing out of my body.
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It was just, oh my god, this is unreal.
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One of the deputies broke the back window, which is
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on the other side of the sliding glass door, and
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then we started looking to see if we could locate
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the bodies in the classic we pulled back a sheet
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and we saw some hair and some blood.
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Then Big ed Kemper made a startlingk confession.
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He made comments to Jim Conner on the telephone that
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he had killed all of the.
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Co eds too.
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Taken into custody, twenty four year old Edmund Kemper would
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then reveal an extraordinary and sickening tale. In the early
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nineteen seventies, the Californian beach resort of Santa Cruz had
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been stunned by the mysterious disappearance of a series of
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young college els and a catalog of gruesome discoveries. Then,
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in April nineteen seventy three, twenty four year old six
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foot nine inch Edmund Kemper unexpectedly confessed that he was
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the infamous co Ed Butcher and that he now had
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a tally of ten murder victims to his name. Taken
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into custody, he would now reveal his extraordinary story.
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The co ed killer had such a fascinating life.
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Born in nineteen forty eight, Edmund Kemper was the middle
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child of three.
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His mother and his father were very strict disciplinarians. There
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was no leeway one way or the other.
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Growing up in Burbank, California, Kempe looked up to his father,
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but had difficulties with his mother, Clanel.
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She was a punitive person that he resented greatly. She
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was harsh, aggressive, putting him down. I think when he
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was younger.
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Call it verbally abusive, I don't know, but very very
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aggressive verbally.
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In nineteen fifty seven, after years of unhappy marriage, the
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nine year old Edmund's parents divorced Clanel, Edmund and his
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two sisters moved away. Kempe was already behaving oddly.
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He showed a lot of pathology.
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As a child.
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He would cut off the heads of his sister's dolls
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in other ways deform the dolls.
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At ten, he had made a comment that if he
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ever had to kiss his teacher, he would have to
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kill her. And when you think about a nine and
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ten year old at that point having that kind of
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a thought process, you begin to wonder, you know, what
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is it about him?
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The young Kemper was developing a violent fantasy life. He
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moved from dismembering dolls to harming animals. He admitted once
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bearing a cat alive, later digging its body up to
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play with.
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There's many many serial sexual murderers that have a background
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of killing cats, torturing cats, tormenting cats. Why cats, because
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cats are a female symbol.
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Kemper was showing warning signs that the FBI have since
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identified as common amongst a number of serial killers.
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Basically, as you're dealing with a young male that is
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engaged in fantasies that are average and destructive and violent
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before adolescent, you're looking at the individual and has a
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broken home, a cold and distant mother, an absent father,
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through divorce or just abandonment, they get into animal torturing.
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There are patterns that are identifiable.
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Kemper grew taller, stronger, and stranger.
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His mother put him in the basement room and would
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lock him in at night because she had this idea
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that he could possibly sexually assault his sisters.
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He described as having a cot and a sleeping bag
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and a light hanging down from the ceiling with just
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a bare bulb and a string. Talked about it as
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being a very difficult time in his life, very scary.
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He could hear rats running around at night and that
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kind of thing.
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As a teenager, Kemper left his mother, heading to Los
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Angeles to seek out the dad he idolized.
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He had hoped to go and live with his father,
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and he described to me that when he went there,
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he was rejected by his father.
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Edmund Kemper was sent to live with his paternal grandparents
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on their remote farm. Here, the troubled teenager's violent fantasies
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would be realized for the first time.
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He found his grandmother to be an authoritarian and a
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disciplinarian like his mother.
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His grandfather was out shopping or whatever, and he took
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a twenty two and shot and kill his grandmother. When
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he realized his grandfather would be coming home and finding
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his wife dead, they were elderly, he decided he couldn't
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allow his grandfather to go through that trauma. So when
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his grandfather came in, he shot and killed him.
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He said he didn't want the grandfather to suffer knowing
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that his wife was dead.
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It's the most bizarre statement.
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I mean, you don't go out and just shoot somebody
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to keep them from finding out that their wife is dead.
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Kempell was diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic and sent to the Secure,
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a Tascadero State Hospital.
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That was a very harmful place for him to be institutionalized.
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He certainly learned a lot of bad things.
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Dr William Schanberger was one of the facility's staff.
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In those days, we had sixteen hundred patients in the hospital.
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There were probably several dozen people who had committed murder,
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eight hundred mentally disordered sex offenders. We had psychology staff
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of only ten people or so.
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Although not Kemper's therapist, Shanberger would have regular contact with
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the inmate.
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It is a bright fellow, and that was obvious when
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you were talking with him.
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He was kind of a moral patient.
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The likable Kemper soon became a trusted assistant to the
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psychology staff that dealt with the hundreds of sex offenders.
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He had so much access to the records and there
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would be detailed descriptions that the message used in carrying
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out the crimes techniques of deception.
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Remember, he was fifteen when he went into the mental hospital,
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and he really had never had any sexual experience at all.
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Generally, what you'll find is that the child will pursue
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these silent fantasies, and in adolescents the sexual element will
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come on board and they will have sexual fantasies that
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develop along the lines of using people as an abject
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rather than a partner. They want to do something to somebody,
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not with somebody.
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He had a fantasy life.
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He described himself as masturbating new times during the day
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when he was in the mental hospital.
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As part of his duties, Kemper had access to the
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hospital's psychological test papers.
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Kemper was very smart.
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He knew what a psychiatrists psychologists wanted to hear. He
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knew all the criteria for different diagnoses. They treated him,
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and I think they thought they cured him.
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After five years in the secure hospital, Edmund Kemper, now
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twenty years old and six feet nine inches tall, was released.
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He was discharged by the way to the Youth Authority
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with the recommendation not for him to live with his mother. Unfortunately,
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the youth authority didn't follow the advice, and he wound
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up living with his mother.
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His social life, i'd say was very inadequate. As he
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described it, felt particularly inadequate around women. So I think
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he was lonely.
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Here was a young man, he's twenty one, twenty two,
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and he probably never had a date in his life,
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probably have the usual interest in needs to connect with women.
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What can you tell someone about yourself that I murdered
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my grandparents and I was in a mental hospital for
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the last five years of my life. I can't imagine
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how difficult it would have had to be. That doesn't
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excuse you anything, but in my mind describes the situation.
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So he started picking up codes, and some of them
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he wound up murdering. And I'm doing even worse things.
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At times in custody, Edmund Kemper would reveal to investigators
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the full horror of his extraordinary crimes in minute and
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graphic detail.
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It's about as serious and complex series of sexual pathologies
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as I've come across.
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He said a lot of things that they're kind of disturbing.
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In nineteen seventy three, after the disappearance and murder of
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half a dozen young college girls. Detectives held Edmund Kemper
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in custody, and the six foot nine inch killer was
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eager to talk, leading detectives to the scenes of his crimes.
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He would explain his murders in chilling detail to anybody
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who'd listen.
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He talked and talked and talked, and just gave every
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bit of information you could ever dream of. And he
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goes into great detail about the things that he did
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to these girls.
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Most of the serial killers I've worked with fall into
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two distinct types. One group of serial killers will never
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like to talk about their offending behavior at all, whereas
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the second group of serial killers are desperate to talk
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about their killing. They're desperate to be at the heart
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of the story.
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He said a lot of things that they're kind of disturbing.
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Investigators learned how Kemper had taken months to develop his
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strategy for production.
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He spent a lot of time traveling all over central
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California and even down in the Los Angeles. And what
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he would do is he would find hitchhikers and he
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would essentially do a practice rode.
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As he would drive off with the young woman, he
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would look over at them, think about fondling the breast,
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and have great sexual curiosity about them.
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Over numerous trips, Kemper honed his harmless persona and perfected
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his plans. Only then did he feel confident enough to
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act out his fantasies. On the seventh of May nineteen
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seventy two, Edmund Kemper picked up two eighteen year old friends,
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mary Anne Pesh and Anita Lukes near the university campus
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in Berkeley.
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They would get in the car and he would drive off,
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and immediately he would say, oh, I don't think your door,
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Cardora is closed.
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And he's huge. He's a big man.
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He could reach all the way across the car, open it,
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close it, and then he would drop a chapstick behind
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that mechanism, so if they became afraid or they wanted
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to get out, it wouldn't allow the mechanism to work.
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Kemper drove them to a remote spot. He teld detectives
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that holding the girls at gunpoint, he had forced Anita
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to climb into the trunk. He then returned to the
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car and stabbed mary Anne until she was dead.
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Just think about Anita lukesha in the trunk listening to
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her best friend being stabbed and hearing her screaming, I mean,
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you know, it's pretty pretty heavy stuff.
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Actually, Kemper then opened the trunk and killed Anita. He
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took the dead girls to an apartment he was renting. There,
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he dismembered them before dumping their remainers in the mountains.
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All the while the police hunted the mysterious co ed butcher.
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The seemingly harmless Edmund Kemper was sitting next to them
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in their favorite bar.
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I remember I'd being there on many occasions, especially during
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the time of the homicides that were going on. He
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would come in and have a few beers with the guys.
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He was a likable guy.
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While he was with them, he was able to think
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about here, I am an ongoing murderer, and they don't
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know anything about it, and they foy except me, and
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I'm one of the boys. A police groupie. Actually, it's
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the best way of describing it.
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Many serial sexual murderers have a fascination with police. That's
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part of their psychology, and they do that for a
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number of different reasons. To hang out with them was one,
386
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but they also sometimes can follow the investigation and see
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if they're talking about it at all. This is very
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stimulating for them.
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It was just talk about, you know, a girl found here,
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a girl found there, and body parts washed up on.
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Shore, this kind of thing.
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It was a conversation among the guys when we were
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at the jury room.
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On the fourteenth of September nineteen seventy two, kemp Has
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spotted fifteen year old ballet student Hikokup hitchhiking. She missed
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her bus and was worried about being late for dance class.
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She had made a sign because she missed the bus
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she needed to get to San Francisco. She was very young, small,
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easy to overpower.
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Got in the car. He drove across the.
401
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Bay to San Francisco, but unfortunately for her, just kept going.
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00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.039
This little girl was terrified.
403
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Obviously, Kemper bound, gagged, and then suffocated his captive. But
404
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.319
it was only when Kemper took his victims' bodies home
405
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.079
that he could fully act out his twisted fantasies.
406
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.400
With most of them. He would actually have intercourse with
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00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:57.920
the dead woman. He would have sex with her entire body,
408
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:06.480
then sometimes all so with a decapitated body, and then
409
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.640
sometimes he would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
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00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.839
It's not unusual for a serial murderer to have sexual
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00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:24.240
actions with a decapitated body. It's because it's not a
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00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.000
person to them. To them, it's an object.
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00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.799
I have the power to do anything I want with
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this woman. She's mine, and I can do anything that
415
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.680
I'm curious about, do anything I've only dreamed about doing,
416
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.480
and nobody can do anything about it. Power is a
417
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.880
big part of it, but extreme sexual pathology is another.
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In order to evade detection, Kemper would separate his victims'
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body parts and dump them in different locations, just minutes
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from Detective Terry Medina's home.
421
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.240
When I did find out that he was up here,
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that that was that maybe reflect on my wife.
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You know, we had two small kids.
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Up here and.
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00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.559
She would be home alone a lot. So that gave
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00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.680
me kind of a funny feeling in the pit of
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00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:45.480
your stomach. He was a predator. Well, this is would
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00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:51.359
be approximately the place that Kemper parked the car.
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Very remote.
430
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.599
It was even more remote thirty years ago than it
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is today. There was nothing up here there and it
432
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.759
was just in the mountains. Picked up a sack and
433
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:09.960
then carried it right to the edge, and remember there
434
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.440
was no fence here.
435
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:14.759
Heaped it over.
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00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.680
And that was the remains of my cuckoo.
437
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.759
Of all of these.
438
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.920
Murders, that's the one that I think affects me the
439
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.079
most as I think about it. I mean, they're all brutal,
440
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.359
but that one just seemed to.
441
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:32.480
Stick with me.
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00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:37.240
There's there's some those of us that do murder cases.
443
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.680
There's always some that seemed to get inside you.
444
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.519
Kemper would go on to claim the lives of three
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more co ed hitchhikers, three year old Rosalin Thuorpe, twenty
446
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.680
one year old Alison lou and eighteen year old Cindy Shall,
447
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.839
babysitter to police officer Jim Connor's kids.
448
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.440
She was young, you know, she needed money like anyone else.
449
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.519
She was very pleasant and knowing that she was a
450
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.960
student at the university, we felt very safe that we
451
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:26.880
could trust her with her children.
452
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.279
He had shot her with the twenty two.
453
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.559
Kemper took Cindy's body to his bedroom in his mother's apartment.
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He had dismembered her, but in his mind there was
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some relationship there. He had an attachment and he kept
456
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:46.519
her head.
457
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.200
Kemper told detectives he'd hidden Cindy's head in his mother's
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backyard beneath his bedroom window.
459
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.480
He buried it was about two feet down in the
460
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:04.960
backyard face his bedroom window, so that there was some
461
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.599
connection in his mind.
462
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.640
It was unbelievable because Ed seemed like, excuse the phrase,
463
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.960
a general giant, you know, with a very nice personality
464
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.759
and likable kind of guy, that he could be responsible
465
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.279
for something like that.
466
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:35.240
In addition to the murder of his grandparents, Edmund Kemper
467
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:40.240
had taken the lives of six young women. Next he
468
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.079
would commit a murder he dreamed.
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00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:52.640
Of all his life.
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By March of nineteen seventy three, six feet nine inch,
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Edmund Kemper had kidnapped and six female co Edes without
472
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:10.400
attracting suspicion. But in April, Detective Michael Alufi's routine visit
473
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.760
to confiscate a firearm had unwittingly sent the suspicious Kemper
474
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.800
into panic.
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00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.159
This whole process of me taking the handgun away from him,
476
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.920
he was under the impression that I was playing cat
477
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.519
and mouse with him. He thought we were playing a
478
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.760
game that we really knew he was the murder.
479
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.519
Kemper worried his mother Klanel would now learn of his actions.
480
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.280
He did not want her to suffer the embarrassment of
481
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:41.039
what he did.
482
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.519
Edmund Kemper resolved to finally commit a crime he had
483
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.079
fantasized about since he was a child.
484
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.519
He got up at four o'clock in the morning, took
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00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:02.239
a hammer, went into his mother's bedroom, just jammed that
486
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.760
hammer through her head several times.
487
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.679
That was a very messy murder.
488
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.199
Kempa's mother would suffer the same fate as the young
489
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.400
co eds and more.
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00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.639
He cut off her head and then he inserted his
491
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.079
penis into her mouth, put it.
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On the mantle above the fireplace, and just yelled and
493
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.039
screamed at it, and at times he threw darts at
494
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.960
her face. He talked about all the time she had
495
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.280
screamed at him and yelled at him or belittled him.
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00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:48.239
He cut out her vocal cords and tried to destroy
497
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:53.199
them in the garbage disposal unit at the sink, because
498
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.880
it was her chastising him using those vocal cords that
499
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:00.199
so bothered him.
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00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.840
Fearing his mother's death would soon be discovered by her
501
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:11.079
best friend, Kemper invited her to the house, murdered her,
502
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:19.400
and then fled. It was only after driving for three
503
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:23.440
days without rest that he called the police and gave
504
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.480
himself up. Detective Medina was sent to the mother's apartment
505
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.519
to process the crime scene.
506
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:43.760
When we arrived, there was nothing disturbed. It looked like
507
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:51.320
somebody had just left on vacation. We flipped over the
508
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:59.519
mattress and of course it was soaked with blood and
509
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:04.480
there was a note there. He left a note that
510
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:10.159
said sorry, jents for the mass, but really had no time.
511
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.639
That's the first time in my career, and I've been
512
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.280
in this business forty three years that you know, the
513
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.800
suspect left the cops and note.
514
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.280
The bodies of Kemper's mother and her best friend had
515
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:40.000
been carefully hidden in two closets. In October nineteen seventy three,
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00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:47.519
Edmund Kemper would be tried for multiple murder. Both prosecution
517
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.239
and defense searched for the answer to the question on
518
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:52.599
everyone's lips.
519
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:03.960
Why would this large, friendly, cooperative guy, why would he
520
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:05.079
kill all these people?
521
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:11.800
Defense investigator Harold Cartwright spent over one hundred hours interviewing Kemper.
522
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.119
I never at all felt threatened at any time by.
523
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.400
You know, two hundred and sixty pounds or something, you know,
524
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.880
six foot eight or whatever, and he's an enormous man,
525
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.679
but he was just sort of like a gentle giant.
526
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:33.159
But it seems Kemper's demeanor with the opposite sex may
527
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:38.880
have been very different. Cameron Jackson, a graduate psychology student
528
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.480
at the time, was asked to perform a standard personality
529
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.480
test on him.
530
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.559
I was the only person in the room with him,
531
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.199
and I read the questions to him, and he was
532
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.119
very cooperative, and then suddenly, just out of the blue,
533
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.719
he simply he both sort of started to get up,
534
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.400
and he just erupted like a volcano of ah like that,
535
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.599
and his hands and everything, and I just went like
536
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.280
that backwards and in immediately came to one or two
537
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.480
policemen who calmed everything down. It was just so fast
538
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.960
and such an overwhelming rush of anger and emotion and fury.
539
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.239
I don't really remember the exact question now that I
540
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:25.840
was asking, but I'm sure it has something to do
541
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:29.679
with women, and I was a woman asking him questions.
542
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.920
In the court room, Kemper's taped confessions were played aloud.
543
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.400
I recall it sitting in the trial listening to the
544
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.800
taped confession of Kemper, and looking around and seeing the
545
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.920
face on the parents of the murdered girls, just the
546
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.960
shock and the agony and what they had gone through.
547
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.199
In the coverage of these terrible crimes, I think the
548
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.800
most neglected aspect of the victims, there's a brief mention
549
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.519
of their names. Usually these were all young college girls.
550
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.840
They were working towards a career. They might have chosen
551
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.719
to have a family. All of that is lost when
552
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.760
a murderer comes along and takes them away.
553
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:31.639
What a tragedy in those families where a young woman
554
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.280
was murdered and taken away. The tragedy of that is
555
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.440
as much alive today as it was back in nineteen
556
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:39.000
seventy two.
557
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.400
On the eighth of November, Edmund Kemper was found guilty
558
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:48.599
of eight counts of first degree murder and sentenced to
559
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:56.880
life imprisonment. So wan drove Kemper to take the lives
560
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:58.880
of ten innocent victims?
561
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:00.639
Was it his.
562
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.480
Broken family life and the alleged emotional abuse from his mother,
563
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.920
or was he simply boom to kill?
564
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.599
He only once said something like.
565
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.000
It was the way I could control them, And that's
566
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.119
the only thing he ever said the entire time I
567
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.280
dealt with him that had anything to do with why
568
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.000
he did what he do.
569
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:29.800
Ed Kemper is the classic sociopath. He feels no guilt.
570
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.159
It's all about him, no compassionistwever.
571
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.000
It's very difficult to say how he looked at what
572
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:36.639
he was doing.
573
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.360
Would a person who walked into the butcher have remorse
574
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.480
about cutting up a chicken?
575
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:42.960
I don't know.
576
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:49.880
I doubt it, and I think that's what he looked at.
577
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.360
An object that he could dismember.
578
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.760
You know, you look at him and you say, Okay,
579
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.360
something happened. His wiring was crossed, he had a chemical imbalance,
580
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:01.519
he had something, and then you look at him and
581
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.280
you say, no, this is strictly environmental. You know, the
582
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:10.000
way he grew up, all the life experiences that he
583
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:15.119
had led him to the point that he becomes this
584
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.440
serial mass murder.
585
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.079
Maybe he was killing his mother all along, Who knows.
586
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.440
I think when we're all studying serial murderers, we want
587
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.079
to find something to blame. It's got to be this
588
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.119
crazy mother that he had who locked him in the cellar.
589
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.960
But she must have felt something. You know, people who
590
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.840
are around serial killers for a period of time will
591
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.159
pick up some type of a feeling. They can't describe it,
592
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:43.400
but they know something.
593
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:50.679
There are genetic and biological factors, there are sociological factors,
594
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.360
and there are complex psychological factors, all of which interact.
595
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.599
And if we're going to ever reduce and prevent these things,
596
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.119
we have to attack it on all these.
597
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.400
I don't think anybody is bored to kill.
598
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.840
I think everybody is born with a series of pluses
599
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.440
and minuses in their makeup, both physically and mentally and emotionally.
600
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.039
I think that things happen to people. Most people are
601
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.159
able to cope with it, deal with it. Some people
602
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:17.440
are not.
603
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.440
Several years after Kemper had been incarcerated, the parcel arrived
604
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.679
at the home of psychiatrist Dr William Shamberger, who'd been
605
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.920
friendly with the teenage Edmund.
606
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.280
I received in the mayor of this cup from ed Kepper.
607
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.519
It said that it took him about a year to make,
608
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.519
and it's a very very complex.
609
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.719
It's like a battered cup.
610
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:56.400
And on the cup has written also, I beg your
611
00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:02.159
pardon on the bottom I never promised.
612
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.039
Jogh Rosegard meaning to be.
613
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.480
I think a very serious apology.
614
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.840
I think there is a side of him that would
615
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.119
have given anything to be a normal person. I could
616
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.280
see that in him. I could see it while he
617
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.960
was testifying. There's a part of Ed Kemper that is
618
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:25.679
as horrified and as disgusted with what he did as
619
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:26.639
the rest of us are.
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00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.679
I'm sure that there's no part of him that is
621
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.559
happy with what he wound up doing.
