Debunking Pregnancy Nutrition Myths with Sheridan Joy Austin, Founder of Foraged For You | Next Self

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Food vitamin A or a food nutrient is nothing like its synthetic version of it.
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Many women feel once they've had the baby, nourishment in itself doesn't really matter as much as what it did during my pregnancy.
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However, your nutrient needs actually goes higher.
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I feel like there's so much attention on the baby, you almost forget about yourself.
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Welcome to Next Self, a mini-series brought to you by Selfdom.
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Whether you're pregnant, trying to fall pregnant, already have little ones, or you're simply curious about pregnancy, birth, and motherhood, this series is for you.
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Throughout Next Self, I've had the honour of sitting down with some of Australia's leading healthcare professionals and experts to unpack the questions so many of us have as we enter this next chapter.
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Entering motherhood can come with an overwhelming amount of information, opinions and advice.
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My hope is that this series helps you cut through the noise and feel more informed, empowered and confident in making the choices that feel right for you and your family.
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Today on Next Self, I'm joined by Sheridan Joy Austin, a qualified nutritionist, GAPS practitioner, gut-friendly recipe creator, and the founder of Foraged For You, a brand dedicated to supporting women through pregnancy and postpartum with nutrient-dense, thoughtfully formulated products.
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Sheridan is incredibly passionate about helping women understand the why behind nutrition, and she isn't afraid to challenge conventional advice or encourage us to ask more questions about what we are told.
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In today's episode, we dive into some of the biggest conversations in pregnancy nutrition.
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We discuss the difference between folic acid, folate and folinic acid, whether foods like oysters and liver deserve a place in pregnancy, the role of healthy fats, iodine, magnesium and iron, and why nutrition should never be a one-size-fits-all approach.
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I also asked Sheridan about glucose tolerance testing, postpartum recovery, and how women can navigate the endless amount of conflicting advice online, and the story behind why she created Forage for You in the first place.
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As always, today's conversation is intended to educate and empower.
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Every pregnancy is unique, so we encourage you to have open conversations with your healthcare team about what is right for you.
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I learned so much from this conversation and I hope you do too.
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I'm so excited to have you on the podcast.
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Your content is incredible.
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Oh, really?
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Yes.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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Every piece of content you post, I'm like really engaged.
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Oh, stop it.
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It's really nice.
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I'll keep doing it then.
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Yes, keep going with it.
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And I also think the timing of this podcast couldn't have come at a better time because today I had my gestational diabetes test.
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So I'm feeling a little bit loopy-loo.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Literally today?
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Today, this morning.
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Oh, thank you for making it here.
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That test, I actually would love to start talking about that test because that was a lot of sugar in one go.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, it's a little bit bittersweet talking about it right now because then you're going to finish this and go, damn it, really?
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Like, maybe I didn't need to do that.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Well, that's why I'm so excited because you actually talk –
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Both sides, I guess.
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And I think in being pregnant, there's often a one-size-fits-all approach to a lot of these things.
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And last night I was doing my research on the gestational diabetes test, what to do.
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My brother's wife actually did have gestational diabetes.
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She's due in one week.
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Oh, wow.
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And she was a nutritionist.
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So super healthy, super this.
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I was like, you know what, I'm just going to do it.
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But...
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What are your thoughts on it?
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On the test itself?
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Okay, so I think it's like with everything, I think it absolutely has its place.
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The issue that can come from it is that there can be false positives, there can be false negatives, and like your, what is it, sister-in-law?
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Yes.
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So...
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Sometimes we can't control whether we get it or not because it can depend on our genetic history, like our family history.
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It can depend on circumstances.
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When you were in the womb so long ago, it can, so circumstances out of our control.
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However, of course, then there's other risk factors like diet and lifestyle that can also amplify your risk factors.
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Yeah.
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I think it's really important also through this whole journey to do whatever you intuitively feel like makes you feel comfortable because if you're not going to do something, whatever it might be, but it panics you more to just not do it, then I think it's worthwhile doing just for that very reason.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, 100%.
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It's kind of like scans as well.
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It's like I'd rather know so I'm not stressed about not knowing.
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Yeah.
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However, so there are other options.
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Yes, the oral glucose tolerance test is hectic because you do need to douse your insides in like flavors, in that glucose itself, the chemicals, the preservatives that are in it.
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Um, but there actually are other options if you didn't want to do that, but you do get questioned so much about it.
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So it depends on who your provider is, who's caring for you and if they are comfortable with you taking those other options.
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So other options do include like the HbA1c blood test, your fasting glucose test, but then also a take-home glucose monitor that you can do at particular times, like the same time every day over, say, a week.
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And then that way you get a genuine reading that you can actually trust to see where you're at.
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Because it is a real thing.
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Gestational diabetes is a real thing.
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So, yeah, it's about just trying to find what works for you.
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And then going forward, there's also...
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if someone did have gestational diabetes, there's also so much mixed advice with that diagnosis on how to care for that person.
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Going back so long ago, I actually was so naive and I was like, I'm going to become a diabetes educator.
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And this was years ago when I was like studying or post-studying and the first...
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like seminar or education thing that I went to, I just left halfway through.
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I was just like, are you kidding?
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This is what we're meant to tell people with diabetes.
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Like it was like whether it be Diet Coke, but then it was also like lollies and then it was so much sugar.
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And it's just like there's a fear around say –
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you know, there's this fine balance of having too much sugar and too little, but you can look after your body without all of that.
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You can go heavy on the protein, some fats, vegetables, like and not be so fearful of like the production of ketones that they're so scared about.
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But, yeah, so gestational diabetes can be really well supported for women when they do...
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really reduce their carbohydrates, among many other things.
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But, yeah, that's definitely possible.
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You don't have to go the medication route.
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Yeah.
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And you don't have to do that test.
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But, again, you're going to know soon and, like, it's done now, stuff it.
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I have one loopy day.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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If you pass out, I'll just keep going.
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Well, Tom came with me, which I was so grateful for.
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He sat with me at the hospital, not the hospital, sorry, the medical centre for two hours.
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Stop it.
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Yeah, we just both took our laptops.
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Yeah.
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We're doing work there.
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Yeah.
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But another issue I found was sitting in the medical centre room and everyone's coughing and sick and this, and I was like, can I sit outside?
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But they need to monitor you.
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No, they need to monitor you.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So any, you don't know your results yet?
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No, we just did it.
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But I do want to talk about your studies because I find it really interesting that you were in a lecture learning about nutrition for diabetics, I guess, and instinctually knew that it didn't align with your values.
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Did you have this happen to you multiple times in your studies?
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Yeah.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So I did go into nutrition blindsided and I was just like, I am passionate about nourishing people, so I'm going to the right thing to do is do nutrition.
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And so I was there, but then I...
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was almost brainwashed into thinking what I was being taught was correct and wasn't outdated.
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But thankfully I began working with someone that thought differently and just questioned the norm and it just opened up my eyes into having the ability or the strength to be able to question the norm and what we are all taught to believe and trust.
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Yeah.
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And then it just opens up so many doors to different ways of thinking.
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So I just began to question.
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And that led to questioning everything.
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And almost most things that I was taught, you just have to flip inside out.
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Wow.
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But I'd have to obviously answer the questions to suit them so then I can come out with my qualification.
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But also my own health journey led me to more different ways of thinking because for my whole life I suffered –
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living off antihistamines, antibiotics, constant chest infections, asthma puffers every single day, constant sinus issues, so nasal sprays, like the work.
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So my body was screaming at me.
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However, I didn't even realize that was abnormal.
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It got to maybe I was 20 years old and I
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I remember sitting in a seminar with my tissues as per usual and then them going, doing something like scanning from your head down to the tips of your toes and listening to those niggles within your body and look at that as a sign of communication.
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What's your body trying to tell you?
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And I was just like, oh, my gosh, does that mean I can be living without all of these symptoms?
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But, like, it wasn't just that.
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It was extreme fatigue, hormonal imbalances, being on the pill for skin issues, being on the pill for the...
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severe pain, the period pain that would come with it.
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But the exhaustion was huge.
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I would fall asleep everywhere, like in the weirdest places, like a shoe shop while my friend's shopping for shoes.
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And then over time, I just was like, well, learning a different way of nourishing myself and actually giving my body the chance to heal.
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And I remember so clearly being like, I don't need to nap anymore.
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Like that was, it was just like this slow progression forward to becoming the human that I guess my body wanted to be from day dot.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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How did you find the knowledge that you used to optimise yourself, I guess, that was almost opposing to the nutrition advice you were learning at school?
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I actually, there was, it was at a time where there was like no research out.
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It was really hard to navigate trying to find the correct support.
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Because, like, I knew, for example, my gut was suffering.
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And I remember being so silly because the advice, the information wasn't out there.
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And I went to the doctor about it.
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And then they just, like, basically laughed at me and told me to leave kind of thing.
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And I was like, wow.
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Like, it was, like, that taboo, really.
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And then progressively I learnt from a lady called Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride who she created the GAPS protocol, which is gut and psychology syndrome practitioner protocol.
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Yeah, and that was about healing that microbiome so then it heals other parts of your body.
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So I went on that gut healing journey and, yeah, you know, you can just take pieces from it, do your own research as well.
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But one huge component, of course, is nutrient repletion and knowing how to actually truly nourish yourself because there is also so much...
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misinformation out there on how to truly nourish yourself.
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And I feel like the wellness industry really takes everything out of proportion or they take advantage of the situation and convince people that what they've got is right.
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But is it really?
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So I guess that's a little snapshot into, I guess,
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how I got the knowledge that I do today.
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Well, I think a big part of this episode that I really want to learn from you is debunking a lot of the pregnancy myths about what you should have.
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And I think, as I said at the start,
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my whole pregnancy, I feel like there's a one-size-fits-all approach with you can't eat this, you should have this, you have to take this supplement, stay away from that supplement, you have to do this test, and there's not much choice.
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I really want to break down specifics.
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I put up a post the other day that I was having beef liver capsules and so many people messaged me, there's too much vitamin A, you're not allowed to have beef liver.
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What are your thoughts?
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I am still in disbelief that that is still being slammed at you.
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And I'm not surprised though as well to a certain degree, but I've touched on this topic like so many times, but I guess there's a lot of people in the world.
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And sometimes they're not looking in the right places for the right information, right?
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But where did it even start?
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Okay.
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So it started from a study, I believe in 1995, where they tested women, pregnant women, on 10,000 IU vitamin A from synthetic vitamin A.
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nothing to do with food vitamin A.
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And so I guess by the end of this, we'll probably grasp a little bit of a concept on knowing that food vitamin A or a food nutrient is nothing like its synthetic version of it.
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I often think like,
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It is dramatic, but it should be fraudulent to call them the same thing.
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You know?
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I agree with that.
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It's ridiculous.
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They're so different.
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So different.
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Yeah.
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So we know that, say, the vitamin A in food will come coupled with all the nutrients around it for what your body knows.
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It's been utilising that source of the nutrient for the last few thousands of years in humans, of course, and,
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But this new vitamin A, it's different.
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It's alone, it's isolated, and it's just not the same.
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So in that study, the results were not significant amounts of birth defects in the offspring again.
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So what I mean by not that significant, it just means like in the population that they had, it would probably be a normal amount of birth defects anyway.
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But that was like semi-disregarded.
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So what they took from that is vitamin A is dangerous for pregnant women and ran with it.
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So, of course, the food richest in vitamin A is liver.
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So it's like automatically no liver in pregnancy.
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It's a bit silly, right, when you break it down like that.
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Despite that, there is more risk of vitamin A deficiencies in pregnant women.
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Like that should be more of a concern for immune purposes, for the development of the baby.
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So that...
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it actually should be encouraged to consume.
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And I actually love the fact that it's a rich source of vitamin A.
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Despite that, though, because if someone comes at you or me about...
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No, I'm still standing by the fact that no one should be consuming liver due to the vitamin A.
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The thing is you can consume liver and still not even be close to the upper limit of vitamin A that is, I get quote-unquote, researched to reach.
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So if it's 10,000 IU max, you're really going to struggle to reach that amount with liver alone.
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You'd have to consume quite a bit.
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Yeah.
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So even with the mother's blend, which if people don't know at this point, it contains liver.
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Like I've copped a lot of slack from that, from government bodies, from the TGA.
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Yeah, I heard all your reviews got removed.
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Yes, yes.
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900 reviews.
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Yes.
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Oh, my gosh.
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It's been a journey.
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Yeah, there's been lots of things.
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But like each time those sorts of things happen, you just like gain a little bit more resilience.
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Like it's like, whoa, that was so stressful at the time.
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And it felt like your life was being ripped apart because that's your...
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that's your mission I guess um however yeah each time it just kind of like grows you that little bit more and goes well actually I'm going to school you because they don't know what they don't know the facts I'm literally sitting there schooling people from the TGA
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Who would have thought that would be your day?
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Yeah, yeah, literally.
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And it's overcome.
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So each time those challenges are overcome because the fact is it's okay.
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It's actually okay to have liver and pregnancy.
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Would you say it's encouraged?
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Well, if we're thinking about the many other cultures across the world, yes.
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In Australia, in the US, it's feared.
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But you go to a restaurant in Europe and you'll find liver on the menu.
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You don't find that here in Australia or the US as a normal inclusion on a menu or in someone's home.
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So it is taboo-ish, but it shouldn't be.
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It's just ludicrous that it is.
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But it's because we've been encouraged, I guess, to only focus on those fine cuts
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Yeah.
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Type of source.
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So, yes, despite, yes, if someone wanted to have that view of stuff that just don't have it at all, the thing is with the Mother's Blend in particular, yeah, you're not even close to the upper limit if you had it every single day.
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So...
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It's actually don't stress.
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Yeah, I think as well it's really interesting because through PR boxes I've been sent so many pregnancy safe different drinks, different bars, different this, and I'm like the sugar content, the ingredients I don't understand.
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Really?
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Yeah, but they're fine.
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They're fine to sell to basket.
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Exactly.
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And then you've got a product with a certified organic.
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Food.
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Food.
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I think that's where people get it wrong.
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And I think because of the fear around pregnancy and eating the right things that I actually really understand why so many women get it wrong and so many women lean to process packaged foods.
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I mean, they're scared of food poisoning and getting sick and infecting the baby.
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Yeah.
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But I think there's also now in 2026 so much information.
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And if you want to learn and do the research to make yourself feel more comfortable having, you know, foraged, having liver, it's only going to benefit you, Amber.
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Yeah.
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And also the thing is, if you put it this way, like the most common nutrient deficiencies or nutrients of concern in a pregnancy, things like hormones,
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vitamin A, folate, choline, B12, iron.
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What's the most nutrient-dense source of that?
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Liver.
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Just answer that.
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You know?
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Literally.
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It's crazy.
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And then we're told to take away eggs, which this is more of a US fact.
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I'm pretty sure in Australia it's one in 20,000, but in the US I think it's one in 12,000.
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You know, you'd eat 12,000 eggs and maybe one of them might be contaminated.
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Um, that's the risk.
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However, again, eggs of course is such an incredible source of so many nutrients, but particularly choline for brain development and prevention of neural tube defects.
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Um, so similar situation to folate, they kind of work quite closely together, but yeah, we're told not to consume that and like making sure it's, you know, either, either don't have it at all or really hard boiled and, and that flavor.
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fear imagine having that angst constantly when you're just trying to eat a natural food yeah and i think as well you already have food aversions so it's really hard i remember because i love like a runny poached egg and at the start i was only having scrambled eggs you get over having scrambled eggs if you can't mix up how you're having the egg yeah it's actually funny do you know the
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Oh, yes.
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The organic grocer.
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Yes.
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My favourite smoothie there has a raw egg in it.
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Oh, I'll have to try it.
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So maybe I'll try it.
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I'm like, I'm pregnant, maybe I shouldn't have the raw egg.
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But one in 20,000, you've got more risk of many other things.
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That's exactly right.
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I don't know, it's that risk-benefit analysis in every situation is going like, oh, what's my risk?
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You know, so it's...
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I'd say from the health emporium I feel like it would be a little bit of a fresh egg.
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Really fresh.
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Organic.
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Yeah.
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Best type.
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Yeah.
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I did lots of raw eggs, just saying.
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Wow.
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I would have loved to have seen your day on a plate as a pregnant woman.
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Well, the thing is, of course, I still got food aversions because that's the worst part.
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I treated myself like a child.
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I was like, oh, hide the greens in between the pizza base and the cheese.
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Isn't it crazy?
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It is so crazy.
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Why do you think our body...
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literally doesn't feel like healthy foods when you're pregnant, when that's when you need it the most.
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Oh, it's so hard, isn't it?
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It's, there's some theories out there.
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One theory could be, I feel like our salt and our fat and our protein, say, demand does increase dramatically.
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And think of what a potato chip contains.
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It doesn't contain protein, but it's very dense in fat and salt.
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I could eat a potato chip.
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Love a potato chip.
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I could eat that.
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I remember being angry with cafes and restaurants if they didn't have, like, chips and chips.
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And I'm like, wow, looking back, I was like, how dare I be angry at that?
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But that was my state.
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And also people know you.
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It's off-brand.
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Yes, so off-brand.
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You're like, and the ketchup, the sugary one.
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I want that.
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Yeah, this is shit.
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No, so – but salt, like sodium in itself but also the other minerals that come with that if it's a good quality salt and the fat, if it's a good quality fat, like if it's lard or olive oil or whatever, our needs for that really do increase.
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So I also felt that within myself because –
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You might hate this, but I also loved pork crackle.
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And salt, fat.
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Yeah.
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I'd make it.
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I'd make it at home.
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So all it is is pasture-raised pork.
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Oh, sorry, organic pork.
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Yeah.
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And because pigs eat other things, not just grass.
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And salt.
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Yeah.
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And crackle it up and stunning.
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That was my most favourite snack.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So it is this like need for that.
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But also, okay, so this, I don't really love this theory so much, but so in many other cultures it's actually encouraged to not eat, which is crazy, but fresh fruit and vegetables because.
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Fruit's my favourite thing ever.
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Yeah.
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obsessed with fruit when I'm pregnant yes yeah isn't everyone but that's because I guess the risk of contamination of like all you know all sorts but because actually most food poisoning does come from fresh fruits and vegetables because it's I guess it's not cooked right but I'm not saying don't be scared of that like it depends on the place it depends where you're going and it depends if you're at home or yeah it's a trustworthy place so definitely don't be
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However, it's interesting, maybe, you know, going thousands of years ago when we didn't have fridges available when we, um, hundreds of years ago, really, uh, yeah, no fridges.
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Like it was a little bit more iffy on preparation.
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Um, so maybe it's like a biological thing where it's our instinct to go.
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I don't trust that right now.
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That makes so much sense.
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I know.
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But we have to also remember that we're in a day and age where it is really safe to have these amazing nutrient-dense things.
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Yes.
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Our body just hasn't caught up yet.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And then also there's some, I don't know about the food aversion so much with this regard, but then we also consider the –
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Severe nausea, say, can be like high histamine load in some people that they've come into the pregnancy with unknowingly.
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So their high inflammation can lead to high histamine, low in particular nutrients like the zinc can be six.
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So, yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's so many different theories and I guess it's kind of just rolling with it, right?
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And surviving and it's not uncommon and it doesn't really matter how much you prepare for your pregnancy, you probably will still experience.
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But not everyone does, but yeah.
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I think that's why forage is so great because you can just take it, you know it's nutrient dense and even on those days where you just want butter, pasta and cheese...
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You're doing something good for you.
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You're right.
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A lot of people say that as well.
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Even with their children, they're just like, they're not eating anything but they're having their forage.
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Yeah, 100%.
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You really found that sweet spot.
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Yeah.
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And you can, like some people might be like, oh, but it's got liver in it.
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How do I take that?
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It's also got kelp in there for iodine.
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So if you are really particular at that time, you can just do it in yummy ways.
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Like there's a million different ways.
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So even if you love like,
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you know, like even frozen banana ice cream or something like that or even frozen yogurts, putting it in that.
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So good.
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Chocolate smoothies.
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Like I love strawberry smoothies.
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It goes so nicely with.
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So it is about actually trying to enjoy your food as much as possible as well.
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I remember being absolutely addicted to like, what are they called?
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The frozen bowls.
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Oh, yeah, where you mix the acai bowls are the best.
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But not?
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Smoothie bowls.
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Yes, smoothie bowls.
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What's that bowl of fruit?
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It's cold.
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Yeah, I love the smoothie bowl.
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It's thick.
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Yes, yes.
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When I was pregnant, I absolutely loved those and topping them with all sorts of stuff.
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So that's one way to do it as well.
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That's a really good way.
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Okay, back to the episode.
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You were talking about iodine.
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What is iodine in in what we eat?
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Not much.
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Yeah, because I feel like I don't eat it.
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Is it in oysters?
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A little bit, yes.
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Okay, but obviously what are your thoughts on oysters?
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If there was one food to be slightly more cautious about, not completely fearful of but cautious, is probably oysters.
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But...
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Did you eat an oyster on your brain?
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I did.
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I was like, you definitely did.
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Yes, and I ate sashimi.
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Well, I've been craving sashimi.
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I was craving sashimi a lot.
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I do not want cooked salmon.
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I want raw sashimi.
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Yeah.
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But isn't that crazy?
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Your body's telling you that?
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Well, that's what I mean.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, it's really interesting.
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I was craving wine the other day.
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Your body must know you.
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I've been sober two years.
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Really?
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And my body is just like craving wine.
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We were just in our baby mood.
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I was watching Tom drink this wine.
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The sun was setting.
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I was like, something about it.
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But, yeah, it's really interesting, the raw fish, because a lot of my pregnant friends and I, like we talk about how the one food we could really have, which is really nutrient-dense, is like raw juice.
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tuna, raw salmon.
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Yeah, totally.
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Again, quality and preparation and.
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Well, in Japan they eat it, surely.
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Exactly.
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They eat raw everything.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, I guess it's just like that risk-benefit.
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And your body's speaking a little bit other than the wine.
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Well, it's funny because I've not had food poisoning.
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Let's touch wood.
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The only one time I had food poisoning was from old rice.
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Oh, no way.
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But I've eaten like raw fish, raw this, everything my whole life.
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Wow, how funny.
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The one time was bad rice.
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From home?
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No, it was from, I'm not going to mention the place.
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Oh, okay.
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It's got in Bondi.
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Yes.
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They do in Bolls.
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Oh, dear.
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Yeah.
453
00:31:15.479 --> 00:31:15.799
Interesting.
454
00:31:15.819 --> 00:31:16.379
Not good.
455
00:31:16.479 --> 00:31:17.699
Okay, let's chat iodine.
456
00:31:17.739 --> 00:31:17.980
Yes.
457
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.081
So it's only a little bit in oysters, but what is it actually in?
458
00:31:21.121 --> 00:31:22.101
What should we be eating?
459
00:31:22.401 --> 00:31:22.722
Seaweed.
460
00:31:22.742 --> 00:31:24.362
Good quality seaweed.
461
00:31:24.462 --> 00:31:27.584
Okay, so what about those little like nori with the salt?
462
00:31:27.644 --> 00:31:28.464
Yes, yes.
463
00:31:28.664 --> 00:31:31.665
It depends on the type of seaweed, if it's a really good quality seaweed.
464
00:31:31.685 --> 00:31:32.786
It's like the kids' one.
465
00:31:32.886 --> 00:31:33.126
Yeah.
466
00:31:33.146 --> 00:31:34.767
I like with them lots of flavouring.
467
00:31:34.947 --> 00:31:35.307
Yeah.
468
00:31:35.327 --> 00:31:37.768
It's definitely got some iodine in there.
469
00:31:38.548 --> 00:31:39.809
The richest sauce is kelp.
470
00:31:40.768 --> 00:31:43.269
But a tiny bit goes a really long way.
471
00:31:43.289 --> 00:31:43.830
Kelp.
472
00:31:44.030 --> 00:31:44.370
Yeah.
473
00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:45.170
Yeah.
474
00:31:45.190 --> 00:31:47.451
Okay, I don't use kelp in my cooking mind.
475
00:31:47.471 --> 00:31:48.072
No.
476
00:31:48.232 --> 00:31:51.093
Well, darling, this is why I included it in the mother's blend.
477
00:31:51.814 --> 00:31:54.435
He's like, no, a pregnant woman is eating kelp.
478
00:31:54.575 --> 00:31:55.355
No.
479
00:31:55.495 --> 00:31:55.896
Okay.
480
00:31:56.056 --> 00:32:04.000
But also, so this is like when I was pregnant, I was like, well, bloody hell, I need to be eating this much liver, this much kelp, this many grains, like this much whatever.
481
00:32:04.020 --> 00:32:04.920
And I just want butter.
482
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.241
Yeah, literally.
483
00:32:06.261 --> 00:32:07.562
More crackling is all I want.
484
00:32:08.742 --> 00:32:11.065
And then so I was doing it for myself.
485
00:32:11.085 --> 00:32:15.210
Like I would put the kelp in there and the liver and there's just so many different supplements.
486
00:32:15.310 --> 00:32:16.411
Oh, man.
487
00:32:16.771 --> 00:32:18.073
So many different sourcings.
488
00:32:18.113 --> 00:32:21.577
So that's why I was like, I have to do this for myself and anyone else that needs it.
489
00:32:21.617 --> 00:32:25.882
But because, yes, you want enough.
490
00:32:26.503 --> 00:32:29.105
Like I am curious, have you been having any iota?
491
00:32:29.646 --> 00:32:30.326
I don't know.
492
00:32:30.366 --> 00:32:31.467
What else is iodine?
493
00:32:31.547 --> 00:32:32.507
Is it only seaweed?
494
00:32:32.767 --> 00:32:35.448
Or it could be – it's commonly in prenatals.
495
00:32:35.988 --> 00:32:36.128
Yes.
496
00:32:36.148 --> 00:32:36.448
Yes.
497
00:32:36.928 --> 00:32:42.590
So I guess the difference between food – again, it's synthetic.
498
00:32:42.890 --> 00:32:43.731
It's isolated.
499
00:32:43.751 --> 00:32:45.211
It's only the iodine.
500
00:32:46.011 --> 00:32:50.093
It's generally not at all from – it's generally not at all from nature.
501
00:32:50.833 --> 00:32:56.375
So I find personally clients like in the history of working with people –
502
00:32:58.191 --> 00:33:00.655
their body tolerates them both so differently.
503
00:33:00.935 --> 00:33:12.252
So someone could be really sensitive to an iodine isolate, so the synthetic versions of iodine, but do really well and are really nourished with a food-based iodine.
504
00:33:13.113 --> 00:33:13.733
such as kelp.
505
00:33:14.253 --> 00:33:16.354
So they work really differently within the body.
506
00:33:16.634 --> 00:33:26.638
It can't be forgotten about because it's the nutrient that fuels your energy, for example, but it also fuels the development of the child, their brain, but their thyroid health as well.
507
00:33:27.498 --> 00:33:33.360
So the most important thing with iodine as well is that many women feel once they've had the baby,
508
00:33:35.669 --> 00:33:40.132
I guess nourishment in itself doesn't really matter as much as what it did during my pregnancy.
509
00:33:40.192 --> 00:33:49.237
However, an example like iodine, your nutrient needs actually goes higher postpartum than what it is in pregnancy.
510
00:33:49.297 --> 00:33:49.718
Oh, my God.
511
00:33:49.758 --> 00:33:50.758
No woman knows that.
512
00:33:50.958 --> 00:33:51.699
No woman knows that.
513
00:33:51.719 --> 00:33:52.719
No one talks about that.
514
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:53.160
Yeah.
515
00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:56.021
Can we just shout it from the sky or something?
516
00:33:56.242 --> 00:34:00.604
Because I feel like there's so much attention on the baby when you have it.
517
00:34:00.624 --> 00:34:02.125
Obviously, I'm not there yet.
518
00:34:02.766 --> 00:34:03.066
But...
519
00:34:04.017 --> 00:34:05.598
You almost forget about yourself.
520
00:34:05.858 --> 00:34:07.440
Yeah, absolutely.
521
00:34:07.520 --> 00:34:08.701
It is critical.
522
00:34:08.801 --> 00:34:29.496
So think about what people suffer postpartum as well with the anxiety, the postnatal depression, postpartum depression, but also the fatigue that can come with an iodine deficiency, the hormonal imbalances that can happen with that.
523
00:34:29.956 --> 00:34:32.278
Hair loss is huge.
524
00:34:32.318 --> 00:34:32.438
Yeah.
525
00:34:32.698 --> 00:34:40.828
Yeah, so like I kind of remember before Forage describing myself as like a grey bit of ham postpartum.
526
00:34:43.121 --> 00:34:51.028
I remember just feeling like dry, lacking colour, hair falling out to grey ham.
527
00:34:52.249 --> 00:34:52.690
Shocker.
528
00:34:52.850 --> 00:34:54.511
Why am I thinking of all these things?
529
00:34:56.993 --> 00:35:08.903
So, yeah, it's just absolutely critical and I feel daily it is something to really consider but China, Japan, Korea, China,
530
00:35:09.744 --> 00:35:16.607
Their postpartum and pregnancy support, think about the foods that they really encourage, right?
531
00:35:17.087 --> 00:35:23.829
It's meat proteins, broths, seaweeds, eggs, liver, like organ meats.
532
00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:26.150
What am I missing?
533
00:35:27.357 --> 00:35:31.101
like greens in general, cooked greens.
534
00:35:31.121 --> 00:35:40.191
So almost every culture around the world that still, you know, follows that culture and tradition follows those similar practices.
535
00:35:40.231 --> 00:35:46.958
And what I find absolutely amazing is that those cultures didn't know Japan down the road existed.
536
00:35:46.978 --> 00:35:47.038
No.
537
00:35:47.578 --> 00:35:59.710
a few hundred years ago, but they still somehow all weave in very similar practices and foods to nourish women during and after birth.
538
00:35:59.810 --> 00:36:00.030
Yeah.
539
00:36:00.826 --> 00:36:07.392
So it's just that knowing and it's just that experience that has taught them that.
540
00:36:07.872 --> 00:36:15.559
But us, Australia is one of the worst cultures for supporting women, pregnancy and postpartum.
541
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:17.080
We really are.
542
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:28.090
And I feel like hopefully, it might just be my bubble, but there will be or there is an undercurrent of a movement to supporting us a little bit better.
543
00:36:28.930 --> 00:36:34.194
Well, if you think about it, when you go to the doctor's office, there's zero talk about diet.
544
00:36:34.374 --> 00:36:34.934
Exactly.
545
00:36:34.954 --> 00:36:37.636
There's only a discussion of are you on a prenatal?
546
00:36:37.676 --> 00:36:37.896
Yes.
547
00:36:37.996 --> 00:36:38.597
That's it.
548
00:36:38.717 --> 00:36:56.248
This is what sparked me initially was me being a pregnant woman in a doctor's office going, if I am sitting here with the knowledge that I've got questioning my own self that I'm not having folic acid or some classic prenatal thing,
549
00:36:57.053 --> 00:36:58.854
then what are other women feeling?
550
00:36:59.334 --> 00:37:09.278
So it really sparked that, oh, my gosh, like I've got the backing, I've got the knowledge, and it was just more of like an empathy for people.
551
00:37:09.298 --> 00:37:11.999
Let's chat full of gases.
552
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:21.543
I know this is a hot topic because I, until I discovered your work and everything that you do, had no idea about this folic acid debate.
553
00:37:21.863 --> 00:37:22.884
No way.
554
00:37:23.564 --> 00:37:24.344
I love that.
555
00:37:24.404 --> 00:37:24.644
Yeah.
556
00:37:24.664 --> 00:37:25.585
But also sucks.
557
00:37:25.665 --> 00:37:26.045
Yeah.
558
00:37:26.065 --> 00:37:28.446
So I trust my naturopaths.
559
00:37:28.466 --> 00:37:30.547
I'm sure my prenatal has been fine.
560
00:37:30.667 --> 00:37:30.947
Yeah.
561
00:37:31.247 --> 00:37:32.307
But- Likely.
562
00:37:32.628 --> 00:37:35.849
Again, you go to the doctor's office, they don't recommend a brand.
563
00:37:36.109 --> 00:37:38.030
They don't, they just say, are you on a prenatal?
564
00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:39.031
Yeah, okay.
565
00:37:39.171 --> 00:37:46.316
And even if you're someone who doesn't have a naturopath and goes to your local chemist, there's so many prenatals.
566
00:37:46.736 --> 00:37:46.996
Yeah.
567
00:37:47.016 --> 00:37:48.017
How are you meant to pick?
568
00:37:48.557 --> 00:37:57.123
As well as that some people might not have the same income, so they'll pick the cheapest, which might have the worst ingredients.
569
00:37:57.223 --> 00:37:58.003
So true.
570
00:37:58.084 --> 00:37:59.565
I'd love to actually just...
571
00:38:00.445 --> 00:38:27.110
know what that is yeah i would actually love to know that yeah and let's investigate let's investigate that we'll go to the chemist look at every prenatal put them in a line yeah but let's chat folic acid because i actually was recording an episode for next self with a naturopath and i was just mentioned folic acid in the list of things and i was like oh my god i mentioned it
572
00:38:29.330 --> 00:38:39.981
They shouldn't because we hear it and I'm sure 80% of the listeners who are mums-to-be or wannabe mums have heard of folic acid as this gold standard for pregnancy.
573
00:38:40.101 --> 00:38:40.401
Yeah.
574
00:38:40.841 --> 00:38:46.467
It's kind of like the experience that I had was, so you're on folic acid, yeah?
575
00:38:46.627 --> 00:38:47.227
Okay, yeah, cool.
576
00:38:47.248 --> 00:38:47.388
Yeah.
577
00:38:47.950 --> 00:38:49.452
Like, and that was it.
578
00:38:49.472 --> 00:38:52.597
It's like, yeah, what about all the other foods and nutrients?
579
00:38:52.657 --> 00:38:53.679
$150 later, the doctor.
580
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.084
Literally, I got told that fully gasp.
581
00:38:57.104 --> 00:38:58.185
Thank you.
582
00:38:58.205 --> 00:39:00.949
Thank you.
583
00:39:00.989 --> 00:39:02.612
Yeah, my hair is fully gasp.
584
00:39:02.652 --> 00:39:03.713
Yeah, literally.
585
00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:05.750
Yeah, I'm depressed.
586
00:39:05.770 --> 00:39:06.391
I'm anxious.
587
00:39:06.411 --> 00:39:07.571
I'm lacking purpose.
588
00:39:07.731 --> 00:39:10.812
I'm – my body's trying to put itself back together.
589
00:39:10.852 --> 00:39:12.473
I'm trying to produce milk.
590
00:39:12.773 --> 00:39:15.434
Like it's – and then look after a baby.
591
00:39:15.454 --> 00:39:15.554
Yeah.
592
00:39:16.514 --> 00:39:22.637
So, okay, so folic acid is, of course, the synthetic version of folate.
593
00:39:23.717 --> 00:39:35.447
The thing is, is up to 60% of the population really struggle to convert the form of folic acid into the usable form of folate within the body.
594
00:39:35.467 --> 00:39:50.199
So what that can cause is almost the opposite, not almost, it causes the opposite effect of what you're actually trying to achieve, like of why someone might be taking folic acid, which is the reason why they say is to prevent neural tube defects.
595
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:50.459
Right.
596
00:39:51.492 --> 00:39:57.237
Um, so midline birth defects, it can be even coming down to tongue tie and stuff like that.
597
00:39:58.338 --> 00:40:01.180
There's so much interesting research out there.
598
00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:02.522
The thing is, is...
599
00:40:04.302 --> 00:40:22.009
even when we find, say, the next best thing, which is now recommended, say, methylated folate, I really would love women to grasp the concept that when we do share these nutrients, or sorry, are encouraged to have these nutrients,
600
00:40:22.709 --> 00:40:27.791
that are new, we are opting into a human experiment in that time.
601
00:40:28.571 --> 00:40:31.732
So it's going, do I want to question this?
602
00:40:31.792 --> 00:40:35.954
Do I want to take that risk or do I have the confidence to question it?
603
00:40:37.054 --> 00:40:38.815
And can I lean on food for this?
604
00:40:39.675 --> 00:40:42.976
Or what kind of position am I in right now to support myself?
605
00:40:43.496 --> 00:40:45.117
So there's so many depending factors.
606
00:40:46.153 --> 00:40:52.614
But they're now saying with methylated folate that still some people don't convert that very well too.
607
00:40:52.654 --> 00:41:12.579
And if someone has too much methylated folate, which is the better form than folic acid but still synthetic, you can be having too much that you, this term's called overmethylate, which can lead to things like insomnia, overthinking, anxiety, nausea.
608
00:41:13.179 --> 00:41:19.603
So I feel like many women suffer those things in their pregnancies enough.
609
00:41:19.623 --> 00:41:34.312
So particularly when I was pregnant, I was like, do I really want to use, do I in such a sensitive time when symptoms are all weird regardless and I don't know what's causing what, I won't know if it's that causing it or if it's just like my response to pregnancy.
610
00:41:35.253 --> 00:41:41.197
So that's when I chose to, I guess, question things and do something a little bit different.
611
00:41:42.218 --> 00:41:58.006
So methylated folate, yes, a better form than folic acid, but I would say if someone's to choose a synthetic form, then maybe folinic acid is maybe a better form at this point, at this point, and I make that clear.
612
00:41:58.467 --> 00:42:03.929
The best form of folate is food because that's what our body recognizes.
613
00:42:04.310 --> 00:42:06.591
We can metabolize that and we can utilize it.
614
00:42:07.071 --> 00:42:08.572
So going back to folic acid,
615
00:42:09.974 --> 00:42:26.850
When I say it does in up to 60% of the population somewhat the opposite to what we're actually taking it for, it can actually build up in your blood so your body thinks you've got enough folate or folic acid that it starts to not absorb it.
616
00:42:26.890 --> 00:42:29.572
So you give yourself essentially a deficiency.
617
00:42:29.592 --> 00:42:30.133
Yeah.
618
00:42:30.593 --> 00:42:46.511
So then it puts you at more risk of those midline birth defects, the neural tube defects, but also other folate deficiency symptoms, which again is that insomnia, the overthinking, the anxiety, the depression and that kind of stuff.
619
00:42:46.651 --> 00:42:47.032
So yeah.
620
00:42:48.207 --> 00:42:54.894
There's too many risk factors, I guess, or there's too many symptoms people are experiencing regardless.
621
00:42:54.934 --> 00:42:57.036
It's just like going, well, I don't want to be a part of that.
622
00:42:57.076 --> 00:42:59.298
I don't want to add that to my bucket load.
623
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:00.499
Yeah.
624
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:07.026
Everyone's on the edge of their seat asking, what foods have folate in it?
625
00:43:09.145 --> 00:43:10.546
Hmm, let's have a think.
626
00:43:11.727 --> 00:43:12.808
Liver.
627
00:43:13.328 --> 00:43:18.853
The butcher's going to be sold out of liver after this episode.
628
00:43:18.893 --> 00:43:20.034
Foraged in the liver.
629
00:43:20.074 --> 00:43:20.354
Yeah.
630
00:43:20.794 --> 00:43:25.338
So, okay, so there are other foods, but liver is a big one.
631
00:43:25.898 --> 00:43:32.204
And then you've got even egg yolks have some, but even lentils, like soaked,
632
00:43:33.505 --> 00:43:46.158
even better fermented lentils, for example, beetroot, spinach is a really beautiful sauce, cooked spinach, which is pretty cool, I guess, for a pregnant person.
633
00:43:46.198 --> 00:43:49.781
I know it's not ideal, but, like, you know how it kind of wilts down to nothing?
634
00:43:49.822 --> 00:43:50.823
Yeah, it's easy to put anything.
635
00:43:50.843 --> 00:43:51.263
It's barely existing.
636
00:43:51.323 --> 00:43:51.984
It's easy to put anything.
637
00:43:52.604 --> 00:43:58.368
So I think that's like one cup of cooked spinach is phenomenal for folate.
638
00:43:58.848 --> 00:44:03.170
Like I said, beetroots, that's why beetroot juice is in forage as well, but for other reasons too.
639
00:44:03.330 --> 00:44:05.672
Yeah, broccoli in some amounts.
640
00:44:07.563 --> 00:44:08.804
But yeah, they're the main ones.
641
00:44:09.264 --> 00:44:19.009
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642
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643
00:44:26.112 --> 00:44:33.156
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644
00:44:33.656 --> 00:44:38.098
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645
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.320
Okay, back to the episode.
646
00:44:41.540 --> 00:44:44.062
So I've been thinking while I've been speaking that
647
00:44:44.928 --> 00:44:49.009
you know, liver keeps getting brought up again and again as this real superfood.
648
00:44:49.989 --> 00:44:53.350
And a lot of us in our Western culture weren't brought up with liver.
649
00:44:54.010 --> 00:45:00.232
And then on top of that, a lot of people were swayed for veganism and vegetarianism.
650
00:45:00.412 --> 00:45:00.612
Yeah.
651
00:45:01.432 --> 00:45:04.993
What are your thoughts on a vegan diet for pregnancy?
652
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.000
Love that.
653
00:45:06.621 --> 00:45:07.201
Are you vegan?
654
00:45:07.441 --> 00:45:07.741
No.
655
00:45:07.801 --> 00:45:09.783
No.
656
00:45:10.063 --> 00:45:17.167
But I definitely followed a more vegan-style diet for a long time and then I was a pescatarian for eight years.
657
00:45:17.187 --> 00:45:17.767
Wow.
658
00:45:17.827 --> 00:45:20.629
So I've actually only eaten meat for the last three years.
659
00:45:20.769 --> 00:45:21.490
Yeah.
660
00:45:21.510 --> 00:45:27.574
But all my bloods improved tenfold when I introduced meat, which was really, really interesting.
661
00:45:28.355 --> 00:45:34.119
Like my whole life I was never able to up my iron, even if I was on an iron supplement.
662
00:45:34.319 --> 00:45:34.899
It just wouldn't.
663
00:45:35.019 --> 00:45:36.741
And I had had an infusion.
664
00:45:37.381 --> 00:45:38.662
We can talk about that soon.
665
00:45:38.702 --> 00:45:40.383
Yeah, it just depleted.
666
00:45:40.523 --> 00:45:49.030
So it was only when I started eating meat that my iron turned around and my what's the thing that transports the iron?
667
00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:49.150
Yeah.
668
00:45:49.690 --> 00:45:50.110
Ferritin?
669
00:45:50.210 --> 00:45:50.450
Yeah.
670
00:45:50.530 --> 00:45:50.750
Yeah.
671
00:45:50.930 --> 00:45:51.811
That went up too.
672
00:45:51.871 --> 00:45:58.472
So it was really amazing to see the power of food, and I guess that's the synthetic versus the real debate, isn't it?
673
00:45:58.492 --> 00:45:58.832
Yes, yeah.
674
00:45:58.872 --> 00:46:04.413
Because I was on, remember back in the day those sachets, the clear sachet?
675
00:46:04.433 --> 00:46:05.834
Do you remember them?
676
00:46:05.974 --> 00:46:07.074
Oh, they were shocking.
677
00:46:07.094 --> 00:46:08.574
Tasted like metal.
678
00:46:09.495 --> 00:46:09.695
Aw.
679
00:46:09.835 --> 00:46:10.635
It didn't do anything.
680
00:46:11.535 --> 00:46:11.815
Yeah.
681
00:46:11.915 --> 00:46:14.236
So let's chat veganism, vegetarianism.
682
00:46:14.256 --> 00:46:19.137
Do you think you can have a healthy diet when you're pregnant following one of those?
683
00:46:20.065 --> 00:46:27.087
In pregnancy, it's the mother that will suffer the nutrient deficiencies.
684
00:46:27.947 --> 00:46:39.331
You will probably provide the baby what it needs for development, even though we do have so much research to show like –
685
00:46:40.091 --> 00:46:47.776
increase in this, increase in that, you know, better chance of this, that and the other, which is all still very valuable and we should all listen to regardless.
686
00:46:48.917 --> 00:46:59.003
At the end of the day, there's people that, you know, have nausea through their entire pregnancy and they've survived off a peanut or something and they still have a beautiful baby.
687
00:46:59.203 --> 00:46:59.944
And crackheads.
688
00:47:00.224 --> 00:47:00.884
Yeah, yeah.
689
00:47:00.964 --> 00:47:01.705
I'm always like...
690
00:47:02.165 --> 00:47:23.814
crackheads our babies like i'm here stressing about my choline exactly exactly so generally it's uh the mother that but let's actually remind me to speak about the agouti mice study i will i won't forget agouti mice yes it's very unique yeah very unique you might forget it yeah
691
00:47:25.435 --> 00:47:32.981
I think with a vegan and vegetarian diet, the mother will probably miss out on a lot of what she could be getting elsewhere.
692
00:47:33.381 --> 00:47:40.086
So if you think about the most common nutrient deficiencies worldwide, there's one in three women that are iodine deficient.
693
00:47:40.647 --> 00:47:42.908
There's one in three women that are iron deficient.
694
00:47:43.449 --> 00:47:46.251
And there's one in five women zinc deficient.
695
00:47:46.971 --> 00:47:47.692
And it can go on.
696
00:47:47.712 --> 00:47:48.092
Yeah.
697
00:47:49.313 --> 00:47:54.159
Those nutrients, other than iodine, come from animal sources.
698
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.205
So zinc, and think about B12 as well, one in 10 are B12 deficient.
699
00:48:00.346 --> 00:48:03.910
These are coming from animal sources predominantly, and
700
00:48:04.310 --> 00:48:11.880
And in amounts that we require, because yes, we might be able to get some of them from non-animal sources.
701
00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:22.553
However, the body receives, like digests and utilizes it within the body so much more effectively than what it would say from a non-animal source.
702
00:48:22.793 --> 00:48:31.741
I feel like they're just missing out and it's just making it a little bit harder for themselves and they will feel incredibly depleted.
703
00:48:32.022 --> 00:48:40.049
But even just for protein in general, the amino acids that they really struggle to source from plant sources...
704
00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:43.293
is, um, it's astronomically different.
705
00:48:43.353 --> 00:48:45.396
Just takes so much more thinking.
706
00:48:45.616 --> 00:48:47.578
It takes so much more action.
707
00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:53.566
And when you're already suffering food aversions, what the heck are you eating?
708
00:48:53.586 --> 00:48:55.328
So you're just making it really hard for yourself.
709
00:48:55.969 --> 00:48:58.272
And you might then find yourself needing a
710
00:48:58.552 --> 00:48:59.652
Well, you actually do.
711
00:48:59.712 --> 00:49:07.575
You need to lean on synthetics in that time because you're not able to actually get the nutrients you need from foods.
712
00:49:08.055 --> 00:49:12.297
So that's when synthetics can certainly have their place, high quality ones.
713
00:49:13.477 --> 00:49:21.080
But we know, I guess it's best to try and source it from food because as you've experienced, your body knows what it wants.
714
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:28.506
It's just such a hard thing because obviously the ethical, the animal rights, there's so much involved.
715
00:49:28.546 --> 00:49:39.195
But I think if you're someone who is on the fence about eating meat, it's being intentional with your decision of where you purchase your eggs from, where you purchase your liver from.
716
00:49:39.275 --> 00:49:39.676
Exactly.
717
00:49:39.696 --> 00:49:40.657
The products you use.
718
00:49:40.837 --> 00:49:43.339
You know, you're saying forage uses the best quality.
719
00:49:43.399 --> 00:49:45.421
It's just being really, really aware of that.
720
00:49:45.581 --> 00:49:45.761
Yeah.
721
00:49:45.961 --> 00:49:46.482
I think...
722
00:49:46.942 --> 00:49:48.904
We're seeing a lot more people eat meat online.
723
00:49:48.924 --> 00:49:53.648
I think we're seeing the revolution kind of not against veganism.
724
00:49:53.708 --> 00:50:02.176
I would never want anyone to think I'm against veganism, but I just know from my own experience with food that I saw such a shift in my health.
725
00:50:02.216 --> 00:50:12.085
And I really do think that eating meat helped me fall pregnant in a way because my nutrients were at a level where my body felt safe enough.
726
00:50:12.365 --> 00:50:12.705
Yes.
727
00:50:12.805 --> 00:50:13.746
To fall pregnant.
728
00:50:13.806 --> 00:50:14.686
That's exactly right.
729
00:50:14.726 --> 00:50:23.912
And that's a really beautiful way to say that because I often say the nutrients is providing a reflection to your body of safety.
730
00:50:24.052 --> 00:50:28.915
It's going, there's ample food available for you to bring a baby into this world.
731
00:50:29.235 --> 00:50:32.937
So it is providing that safety communication with your body.
732
00:50:33.257 --> 00:50:37.440
So often as soon as someone starts nourishing themselves correctly,
733
00:50:38.412 --> 00:50:39.593
And then their body feels safe enough.
734
00:50:39.633 --> 00:50:41.493
They're like, oh, it's a great world out there.
735
00:50:41.533 --> 00:50:42.674
We're ready to bring in a baby.
736
00:50:42.894 --> 00:50:43.194
Yeah.
737
00:50:43.954 --> 00:50:46.175
And I'm just so surprised by the stats.
738
00:50:46.616 --> 00:50:48.196
One in three iron deficient.
739
00:50:48.336 --> 00:50:48.557
Yeah.
740
00:50:49.217 --> 00:50:52.538
I'm surprised it's not more with the iodine deficiency.
741
00:50:52.618 --> 00:50:53.279
One in three.
742
00:50:53.299 --> 00:50:53.399
Yeah.
743
00:50:53.619 --> 00:50:54.059
Yeah.
744
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:55.800
Oh, well, look, it's probably more.
745
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:56.000
Yeah.
746
00:50:56.460 --> 00:51:07.345
Yeah, well, the thing is, is so what some people might think, oh, but that's why we put iodized salt in, or they add synthetic iodine to certain things.
747
00:51:07.365 --> 00:51:14.128
So iodized salt, they do it to our bread, but again, it's not natural iodine whatsoever.
748
00:51:14.968 --> 00:51:18.550
And of course, we don't really want to be having stripped salt anyway.
749
00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:20.411
of all the minerals.
750
00:51:20.971 --> 00:51:28.594
So that when it was recognized as an issue, like the iodine deficiency, that's what public health did.
751
00:51:30.075 --> 00:51:32.336
However, it just wasn't the correct answer.
752
00:51:32.556 --> 00:51:34.277
But as a mass population, uh,
753
00:51:36.658 --> 00:51:39.539
like solution, then maybe it was an okay thing.
754
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:41.500
But I guess it's just a win.
755
00:51:41.560 --> 00:51:43.881
It's going, okay, well, now I know where to get it.
756
00:51:43.921 --> 00:51:49.002
But it's just not going too heavy because it is really iodine-rich kelp, kelp is.
757
00:51:49.502 --> 00:52:00.346
And our soils previously with more regenerative farming, et cetera, that had a little bit of iodine in there, but our soils are so depleted now.
758
00:52:01.186 --> 00:52:02.608
particularly of iodine.
759
00:52:02.668 --> 00:52:06.172
So that's why the ability to get it is so scarce.
760
00:52:06.492 --> 00:52:18.706
I guess that's the next thing I wanted to talk about was the soil quality because I think we're all very aware that the fruit and vegetables that we're eating now are not as nutrient-dense as they once were because of the soil.
761
00:52:18.726 --> 00:52:19.487
Yeah.
762
00:52:19.707 --> 00:52:21.448
How do we get around this?
763
00:52:22.609 --> 00:52:34.275
I think, I mean, you can add minerals into the soil and I guess that's what certified organic is good for because usually the mineral balance is what keeps the growth going.
764
00:52:35.035 --> 00:52:41.599
So certified organic or at least like spray-free is a much better source for someone.
765
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.800
You can taste the difference.
766
00:52:43.740 --> 00:52:50.023
And, you know, you would taste a standard carrot from the supermarket versus a certified organic one.
767
00:52:50.184 --> 00:52:53.645
It literally tastes like water and then, like, a sweet, beautiful dessert.
768
00:52:53.725 --> 00:52:54.786
No, it's so different.
769
00:52:54.906 --> 00:53:00.169
It's funny, though, because I always used to just get the cold carrots and I was just used to that.
770
00:53:00.189 --> 00:53:05.992
So when I tried organic carrots for the first time, I didn't know if I liked it because it was so different.
771
00:53:06.112 --> 00:53:06.572
Wow.
772
00:53:06.612 --> 00:53:07.753
Like black and white.
773
00:53:07.773 --> 00:53:07.853
Wow.
774
00:53:07.933 --> 00:53:09.094
Wow.
775
00:53:09.174 --> 00:53:09.414
Yeah.
776
00:53:09.434 --> 00:53:11.214
And that's just like one example, right?
777
00:53:11.775 --> 00:53:20.499
So the nutrient difference, I feel like, I guess on a micro level is still a little bit significant.
778
00:53:21.939 --> 00:53:28.262
But I guess it's also just knowing, okay, well, how do I replenish my minerals on a daily basis?
779
00:53:28.322 --> 00:53:30.163
So I do that through many different ways.
780
00:53:31.103 --> 00:53:34.848
Um, even just like Celtic salt, like mineral rich salt.
781
00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.333
I also did do a C magnesium.
782
00:53:38.373 --> 00:53:43.460
That's another thing I went on the venture to create because I couldn't find a natural magnesium.
783
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:43.540
Um.
784
00:53:44.522 --> 00:53:46.503
So that's a really good source of minerals.
785
00:53:48.764 --> 00:53:52.085
And, yeah, I could speak about all that, but I won't do that now.
786
00:53:52.105 --> 00:53:52.926
I love it.
787
00:53:52.946 --> 00:53:54.347
Okay, tell us about the study.
788
00:53:54.807 --> 00:53:55.167
Yes.
789
00:53:55.707 --> 00:53:57.048
Well done.
790
00:53:57.068 --> 00:53:58.128
I have to remember.
791
00:53:59.109 --> 00:54:10.134
Okay, so going back to, you know how I was saying that the mother generally is the one that's left depleted and the baby will receive generally what it needs.
792
00:54:11.376 --> 00:54:15.009
for a healthy pregnancy and healthy birth, whatever, healthy life.
793
00:54:15.987 --> 00:54:20.408
There is a particular study, though, called the agouti mice study.
794
00:54:20.448 --> 00:54:28.930
So there's this group of mice called agouti mice, and they have an agouti gene.
795
00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:30.810
That's where it's come from, agouti gene.
796
00:54:31.430 --> 00:54:43.973
This agouti gene that they have makes them turn from brown to yellow, and they're more prone to weight gain, obesity, cancer, and diabetes, those other type of metabolic diseases.
797
00:54:45.275 --> 00:55:00.995
What a particular study has demonstrated is that when those yellow agouti gene mice have particular foods that contain nutrients that are like choline, folate, B vitamins,
798
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:03.781
They're called methyl donor nutrients.
799
00:55:04.122 --> 00:55:05.403
So it helps the methylation.
800
00:55:06.744 --> 00:55:15.190
What they also do is, or what this study demonstrated was, that it helped switch the Goody gene off.
801
00:55:15.210 --> 00:55:16.231
Whoa.
802
00:55:16.251 --> 00:55:24.276
So the offspring of the mother, the yellow mother, that had the methyl donor nutrients like I just mentioned, was...
803
00:55:25.197 --> 00:55:36.185
When they were given those foods, their offspring returned to brown, a normal weight, and of course less chances of getting all of those metabolic diseases.
804
00:55:36.766 --> 00:55:44.271
So what that tells us is the power of us eating particular nutrients to be able to
805
00:55:45.252 --> 00:55:47.133
switch on and off particular genes.
806
00:55:47.613 --> 00:55:49.775
So genetically, they're both the same though.
807
00:55:49.795 --> 00:55:50.555
Okay.
808
00:55:50.695 --> 00:55:57.299
So genetically that brown mouse and the mummy yellow one, they're genetically the same.
809
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.863
However, the brown one, the agouti gene was switched off.
810
00:56:03.823 --> 00:56:09.946
So the environment and the diet had the ability to change that.
811
00:56:09.966 --> 00:56:25.774
So we have unfortunately, I say unfortunately because it's like, oh, it does make an impact, you know, like people listening where it's like, damn it, I do need to eat those good nutrients or I should to provide a good outcome.
812
00:56:26.315 --> 00:56:28.576
The thing is it's not even just about the offspring though.
813
00:56:28.596 --> 00:56:30.537
It's about our daily life because we're,
814
00:56:31.417 --> 00:56:38.203
It also tells us and research does too that when we are eating those particular nutrients, we are constantly switching genes on and off.
815
00:56:38.703 --> 00:56:41.166
So we are determining our future self.
816
00:56:41.706 --> 00:56:48.852
So our future self will thank us right now for consuming those particular nutrients, for switching those on and off.
817
00:56:48.872 --> 00:56:54.277
Because I feel like we're in such a society now where we think, I'm just going to have this so I feel good today.
818
00:56:54.657 --> 00:56:56.198
Yeah, I feel good right now.
819
00:56:56.238 --> 00:56:57.538
Or I'm sick, so I'm going to have that.
820
00:56:58.259 --> 00:57:03.141
But we forget to go, I'm going to have this right now so my future self can thank me.
821
00:57:03.661 --> 00:57:14.367
Because especially with the rise in Alzheimer's, like all forms of dementia, the research even just, it's not a methadone, a nutrient, but like magnesium, for example, like...
822
00:57:15.047 --> 00:57:40.246
magnesium deficiency in life can has now been shown to increase risk of alzheimer's and dementia and like doesn't that suck for that person that has that right now it's like well if we had have known that yeah if we could have worked on that but i guess people don't generally take action until the problem is right in front of them yeah i think we all want to just gulp forage now yeah
823
00:57:40.839 --> 00:57:43.322
I'm like, we need to do it now for our future self.
824
00:57:44.063 --> 00:57:44.604
Literally.
825
00:57:45.085 --> 00:57:51.073
Let's chat forage because I'm sure everybody listening is like, I want to get my hands on this product.
826
00:57:51.573 --> 00:57:52.915
Who do you recommend it for?
827
00:57:53.196 --> 00:57:54.758
How often do we take it?
828
00:57:54.998 --> 00:57:55.258
Yeah.
829
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:55.979
Okay.
830
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.822
Are you sure we want to get into sales?
831
00:57:58.282 --> 00:57:59.283
No, I need to know.
832
00:58:00.623 --> 00:58:03.725
No, it's definitely not a salesy thing for me.
833
00:58:03.765 --> 00:58:05.005
It's purely from the heart.
834
00:58:05.105 --> 00:58:11.309
And I promise hand on heart that it was never created to be a business.
835
00:58:11.569 --> 00:58:13.550
And I really genuinely mean that.
836
00:58:14.811 --> 00:58:16.873
I have no business skills.
837
00:58:17.453 --> 00:58:20.617
It was literally just so naive.
838
00:58:20.657 --> 00:58:26.683
I've learnt so much and it grew from the moment it started like five years ago.
839
00:58:26.703 --> 00:58:34.852
It's grown so fast to the point where I was forced to be thrown into that business world and learn quite quickly.
840
00:58:35.072 --> 00:58:35.813
It was a need.
841
00:58:36.133 --> 00:58:37.414
It was a need for myself.
842
00:58:37.474 --> 00:58:45.762
It was a need for my friends and family that were falling pregnant or trying to conceive and something that someone could have effortlessly.
843
00:58:45.822 --> 00:58:51.287
So again, there's so much to think about when it comes to nutrients and nourishing yourself.
844
00:58:51.407 --> 00:58:55.110
So it was just something easy someone could take every single day.
845
00:58:56.512 --> 00:58:57.492
So what was your question again?
846
00:58:59.734 --> 00:59:00.494
Who is it for?
847
00:59:00.554 --> 00:59:00.855
I know.
848
00:59:00.935 --> 00:59:01.355
It's in juice.
849
00:59:01.375 --> 00:59:01.935
That's right.
850
00:59:02.555 --> 00:59:02.895
Okay.
851
00:59:02.915 --> 00:59:05.536
So anyone can have it because it is food.
852
00:59:06.096 --> 00:59:09.137
So my dad has it, my mum.
853
00:59:09.457 --> 00:59:09.957
How good.
854
00:59:10.017 --> 00:59:10.978
Yeah.
855
00:59:11.218 --> 00:59:11.878
Well, you want it.
856
00:59:11.978 --> 00:59:12.858
For their future self.
857
00:59:13.078 --> 00:59:13.859
Exactly.
858
00:59:14.359 --> 00:59:21.081
And I'm five and a half years postpartum and many women will go, oh, well, you know, I'm out of the postpartum time.
859
00:59:21.101 --> 00:59:22.041
I'm not pregnant anymore.
860
00:59:22.061 --> 00:59:24.522
I'm going to not bother having it anymore.
861
00:59:25.062 --> 00:59:26.724
Not many, but some definitely do.
862
00:59:26.964 --> 00:59:29.727
And then a year goes past and they go, why did I ever stop that?
863
00:59:29.907 --> 00:59:30.808
And then they started.
864
00:59:31.309 --> 00:59:31.589
So –
865
00:59:32.667 --> 00:59:34.949
Yes, men, women of all ages.
866
00:59:34.989 --> 00:59:38.073
We've got 80-year-old customers that take it and love it.
867
00:59:38.813 --> 00:59:46.962
So I guess anyone that is feeling depleted in any way, lacking energy, their period is a little bit whack.
868
00:59:47.362 --> 00:59:50.966
They might be experiencing painful periods or no period at all.
869
00:59:52.087 --> 00:59:54.109
Fertility, and I always...
870
00:59:55.330 --> 01:00:03.918
I'm cautious when I say that because, as we know, there's so many different causes of someone to not be able to conceive at that time.
871
01:00:04.398 --> 01:00:15.348
However, behind closed doors, the amount of messages that I do receive are people thanking me, us, for they say they're like, pfft,
872
01:00:15.468 --> 01:00:23.697
You have my word, like this is what made me be able to fall pregnant after years of IVF, spending 50 grand on it.
873
01:00:23.817 --> 01:00:23.977
Wow.
874
01:00:24.378 --> 01:00:24.738
Yeah.
875
01:00:24.778 --> 01:00:26.440
And then finally they can conceive naturally.
876
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.906
But also, again, for that hair loss or dry skin, thyroid issues.
877
01:00:32.206 --> 01:00:37.171
But then so I guess when that the mother's blend, which is what I'm talking about, was born.
878
01:00:38.327 --> 01:00:42.351
I had a lot of mums or families asking, well, I want to give it to my children.
879
01:00:42.371 --> 01:00:47.495
So then that's when I made a children-specific one, yeah, to suit their nutritional needs.
880
01:00:48.576 --> 01:00:54.481
And then from there I was like, well, if I can do that, well, obviously I can do a magnesium because...
881
01:00:55.222 --> 01:00:58.984
I always felt, by the way, magnesium is critical in pregnancy.
882
01:00:59.164 --> 01:01:01.165
Like I don't know if you've been having that much.
883
01:01:01.185 --> 01:01:04.806
I've been having it for years just because I've always sawn it and been subactive.
884
01:01:04.846 --> 01:01:05.507
Yes.
885
01:01:05.907 --> 01:01:06.767
Yeah, amazing.
886
01:01:06.847 --> 01:01:11.810
I feel like I need more because recently I've been getting cramps in my legs.
887
01:01:11.890 --> 01:01:12.650
Yeah, yeah.
888
01:01:12.710 --> 01:01:14.011
So it's incredible for that.
889
01:01:14.151 --> 01:01:14.771
Yeah, that's right.
890
01:01:14.791 --> 01:01:15.811
I will have to get some to you.
891
01:01:17.192 --> 01:01:22.635
So I feel like a lot of the nutrients that are really recommended for pregnant women is...
892
01:01:23.675 --> 01:01:31.681
is all the ones we've spoken about, whether it be amigas, which I haven't touched on, or iodine or iron and choline and folate, they're typically spoken about.
893
01:01:31.721 --> 01:01:35.723
But I feel like magnesium isn't highlighted enough.
894
01:01:36.604 --> 01:01:40.867
In pregnancy, we kind of run at a magnesium deficient state.
895
01:01:41.327 --> 01:01:56.803
So if we can replete that, we can see better or lowering of symptoms of things like sleep issues, the pregnancy insomnia, the restless legs, the cramping legs, the anxiety again.
896
01:01:56.923 --> 01:02:02.049
So helping with the mood because it really, really supports those types of things.
897
01:02:03.066 --> 01:02:06.008
So I feel like that, I wish more pregnant women knew that.
898
01:02:06.808 --> 01:02:14.713
So we have magnesium glycinate, we've got magnesium citrate, we've got all different types of magnesiums out there.
899
01:02:14.873 --> 01:02:19.155
But again, same concept as this whole time, it's alone.
900
01:02:19.555 --> 01:02:25.138
It's actually meant to be coupled with a whole bunch of other trace minerals around it.
901
01:02:25.218 --> 01:02:26.599
And it's created in a laboratory.
902
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.020
They're not from nature at all.
903
01:02:28.720 --> 01:02:29.080
So...
904
01:02:30.327 --> 01:02:35.234
When I learnt this, I was like, well, why do I have to have that?
905
01:02:35.294 --> 01:02:43.906
But also within that product, within that supplement, the synthetic version, it's also coupled with things like maltodextrin or...
906
01:02:45.248 --> 01:02:45.568
What are they?
907
01:02:45.588 --> 01:02:46.368
Citric acid.
908
01:02:46.428 --> 01:02:50.729
Like so many different additives within that that they haven't listed on the label.
909
01:02:51.069 --> 01:02:57.591
So you don't know that's, you know, you might pick up a protein bar and go, oh, it's got those ingredients in there.
910
01:02:57.911 --> 01:03:02.772
But you pick up a magnesium and you have that every day, but it's got all the ingredients that you're avoiding in your everyday foods.
911
01:03:02.812 --> 01:03:03.132
Yeah.
912
01:03:03.552 --> 01:03:05.033
You don't check for some reason.
913
01:03:05.113 --> 01:03:05.433
Yeah.
914
01:03:05.453 --> 01:03:06.093
You just trust.
915
01:03:06.473 --> 01:03:06.833
Yes.
916
01:03:06.953 --> 01:03:08.353
Because it's supplement.
917
01:03:08.593 --> 01:03:09.614
Yeah, it's healthy.
918
01:03:09.814 --> 01:03:10.874
It's in the healthy, yeah, healthy aisle.
919
01:03:10.894 --> 01:03:11.074
Yeah.
920
01:03:11.494 --> 01:03:12.755
They've done the work for me.
921
01:03:12.795 --> 01:03:13.135
Yeah.
922
01:03:13.295 --> 01:03:14.015
But no.
923
01:03:15.076 --> 01:03:23.260
When you have that realisation that you can't necessarily trust all these like natural wellness brands, it's really disheartening.
924
01:03:23.661 --> 01:03:24.981
It is really disheartening.
925
01:03:25.041 --> 01:03:25.462
Hey.
926
01:03:25.502 --> 01:03:36.027
And it really emphasises why you need to do your own research and check the back of the labels of the products you're consuming because sometimes they're doing more harm than good.
927
01:03:36.408 --> 01:03:36.648
Yeah.
928
01:03:36.828 --> 01:03:37.888
Or it's a waste of your money.
929
01:03:37.968 --> 01:03:38.929
It's not doing anything.
930
01:03:39.049 --> 01:03:39.249
Yeah.
931
01:03:39.749 --> 01:03:40.670
You're just peeing it out.
932
01:03:40.690 --> 01:03:40.870
Yeah.
933
01:03:41.250 --> 01:04:04.549
literally or getting bloated from it yeah yeah literally yeah so so that was the magnesium and we're obsessed with that but um then I created a zinc because genetically I always kind of needed a little bit more zinc like think about my health history there very immune support like immune deficient so um did that through food as well so
934
01:04:05.710 --> 01:04:06.451
I could go on.
935
01:04:06.611 --> 01:04:09.594
Zinc is with the oyster.
936
01:04:09.674 --> 01:04:10.776
Oyster and guava leaf.
937
01:04:10.796 --> 01:04:11.677
I saw that.
938
01:04:11.697 --> 01:04:11.777
Yes.
939
01:04:11.817 --> 01:04:18.724
Yeah, I think that's so smart, especially when you're pregnant, when that's like a little bit not sure if you should have oysters.
940
01:04:19.104 --> 01:04:19.325
Yes.
941
01:04:19.345 --> 01:04:22.448
It's a really good way to still get the nutrients from the oysters.
942
01:04:22.648 --> 01:04:23.029
Absolutely.
943
01:04:23.049 --> 01:04:23.389
Without fear.
944
01:04:23.409 --> 01:04:26.733
Because it's been tested and it is safe.
945
01:04:26.753 --> 01:04:27.774
Well, it's not raw.
946
01:04:27.794 --> 01:04:27.894
Yeah.
947
01:04:28.234 --> 01:04:47.646
exactly yeah so it's it's fine during pregnancy um again i wish it was here when i was pregnant and the magnesium like damn yeah yeah needed a sheridan before me okay i've got 11 weeks left i know exactly what i'm doing after this podcast i'm very excited can i give it to the dog
948
01:04:48.326 --> 01:05:12.855
yeah forage he'd love it he would love it oh i want him to live forever oh that's so good um you are incredible i literally could speak to you forever but we've hit time okay um that went really quick i know what the heck i honestly you're just so you're you know what you're saying and you have the proof to back it up and i think that it's funny when you were speaking
949
01:05:13.833 --> 01:05:18.957
I was thinking a lot about on social media how so many people have something to say about beef liver and this.
950
01:05:20.138 --> 01:05:21.318
But they don't have the stats.
951
01:05:21.338 --> 01:05:22.940
They're just kind of following a trend.
952
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:34.908
And it's just so powerful to hear all the studies and research you've done to create your products and to share everything that you believe in.
953
01:05:34.968 --> 01:05:36.850
So keep sharing that light.
954
01:05:36.930 --> 01:05:37.770
Thank you.
955
01:05:37.910 --> 01:05:38.251
Keep...
956
01:05:39.017 --> 01:05:44.566
fighting for your mission against the traditional pregnancy message, I guess.
957
01:05:44.866 --> 01:05:48.191
And thank you so much for coming on the pod.
958
01:05:48.592 --> 01:05:52.017
It's so nice to be reminded of what goes on outside my bubble too.
959
01:05:54.340 --> 01:06:11.865
You know, so thank you for highlighting the importance of continuing to share all these things and keep up with the actual research because, you know, in the doctor office usually and with a dietician, usually they're around 19 to 30 years out of date of research, so behind.
960
01:06:12.005 --> 01:06:12.305
So...
961
01:06:13.265 --> 01:06:14.046
Yeah, thank you for that.
962
01:06:14.287 --> 01:06:24.844
Yeah, it'd be amazing if when you go to the doctor's office, even if your appointment stays five minutes, but they could recommend, you know, foraged products that are actually good.
963
01:06:24.904 --> 01:06:25.204
Food.
964
01:06:25.425 --> 01:06:26.627
Have a good protein breakee.
965
01:06:26.947 --> 01:06:27.168
Yeah.
966
01:06:27.428 --> 01:06:27.749
Wow.
967
01:06:28.678 --> 01:06:31.199
Yeah, there's nothing.
968
01:06:31.399 --> 01:06:32.359
It's a whole other episode.
969
01:06:32.479 --> 01:06:33.340
Yeah, it is.
970
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:33.740
It is.
971
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:35.501
Well, thank you so much.
972
01:06:35.521 --> 01:06:35.981
Pleasure.
973
01:06:36.001 --> 01:06:42.003
Let the guests know where they can find your socials and everything else because I think they're all going to want to follow you after this.
974
01:06:42.663 --> 01:06:49.466
So Sheridan Joy Austin is my personal, which I can open up a little bit more on there.
975
01:06:49.506 --> 01:06:50.266
Yeah, I love it.
976
01:06:50.406 --> 01:06:51.547
I'm a little bit more savage.
977
01:06:51.567 --> 01:06:52.487
She's savage on there.
978
01:06:52.527 --> 01:06:53.027
I love it.
979
01:06:54.388 --> 01:06:57.069
Forage for you underscore we stay.
980
01:06:58.049 --> 01:06:59.471
Very educational focused.
981
01:06:59.491 --> 01:07:01.934
Well, the TGA is after you, so you've got to kind of watch it.
982
01:07:02.034 --> 01:07:06.540
Yeah, we just like, you know, stay a little bit more subtle but still really helpful.
983
01:07:08.222 --> 01:07:14.810
And then forage4u.com is where you can find all the actual nourishing goodies that are effective and not full of information
984
01:07:15.927 --> 01:07:16.407
amazing.
985
01:07:16.427 --> 01:07:25.413
I also heard you speak about on a podcast that the reason you don't actually have your products in all different distributors is because the margins wouldn't be good enough.
986
01:07:25.453 --> 01:07:27.454
And I think that was a really interesting point.
987
01:07:27.835 --> 01:07:37.641
When you think about all the products in the chemist, that they have to go through so many different channels of distribution that the margins must be so high.
988
01:07:37.861 --> 01:07:38.381
So high.
989
01:07:38.421 --> 01:07:39.602
So I really commend that.
990
01:07:39.742 --> 01:07:40.563
Thank you so much.
991
01:07:40.723 --> 01:07:43.285
I genuinely do not know
992
01:07:44.866 --> 01:08:06.908
how they do it like and that's what I mean going back to no business sense in the day dot I was like I'm just going to charge this to make it like accessible for people yeah and then I've got like distributors and wholesalers like asking all these things about the margin and wanting to stock it but then me going it's impossible I would go under yeah yeah
993
01:08:07.548 --> 01:08:10.855
But I thought that was really beautiful that you stay true to yourself again.
994
01:08:10.976 --> 01:08:12.699
So thank you, everybody.
995
01:08:13.461 --> 01:08:18.210
I'm so happy we had this conversation and I will see you on the next episode of Next Self.
996
01:08:18.451 --> 01:08:18.812
Bye.