ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Two kids called Brett Morris to tell him he saved their father's life. The man had cancer and had decided not to fight it. He'd spent his working life saving for their education and he wasn't going to spend it on himself.
Samaritan Fund covered his care, he changed his mind, and he beat it.
That's the business. Brett finds people facing catastrophic medical costs, sources third-party funds to cover their premiums and out-of-pocket maximum, and the employer's plan gets relief as a byproduct. He started in 2021 doing 13 cases himself. He's now in 49 states and the Virgin Islands, working with over 2,000 employer groups, and just crossed a billion dollars in certified savings.
We get into how the compliance actually works and why Nixon Peabody invited the Department of Labor into the room before Brett ever asked, why the employer is contractually barred from contacting the participant, and the 84% success rate that varies wildly by state depending on which hospitals accept individual coverage. Brett also explains why he won't take a case under $50,000, what happens when a plan doesn't renew, and why he thinks the industry's obsession with winning the case is backwards.
If you have a laser or an exclusion on your plan right now, this is the episode. Tune in.
"When people are faced with a difficult disease, their first concern is the cost of the care. And second is the actual disease." - Brett Morris, Samaritan Fund Program
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Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro: "You Saved Our Father's Life"
(00:03:21) From 13 Cases to 2,000 Employer Groups
(00:09:49) Nixon Peabody and the Department of Labor
(00:13:18) Why the Participant Comes First
(00:15:43) What the Participant Experience Looks Like
(00:20:35) Medical Debt and 41% of Americans
(00:24:11) The Clinical Team and Forecasting a Prognosis
(00:27:48) Not Breaking Up Someone's Transplant Team
(00:30:05) How Nobody Gets Singled Out
(00:33:05) What Consultants Should Do and When
(00:37:17) What Happens in Year Two
(00:39:56) The Foundation and What's Next
(00:45:25) A Billion in Certified Savings
(00:48:24) Lasers, Exclusions, and Hospitals That Won't Play
(00:52:34) Closing Thoughts: Find the People
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