Godzilla 1998

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Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of
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Second Take Cinema, coming at you from the Glorious in
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Parlor Film's headquarters in sunny South End on Sea. As always,
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I'm your host, Jamie Evans, joined as usual by Rory Joscelyn. Hello, everybone,
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and today we are honored to have a special guest
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joining us. It's mister Harry McElroy.
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Hello.
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Harry is an actor, a writer, a director, a sound recorder,
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a multi talented man who we've had the honor of
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knowing for a couple of years now.
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Talented man sounds like a good slogan for Soult.
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Has appeared in our show Haunted as a couple of
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different roles, most notably Peterson, the copper with a heart
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of gold. Yeah, and I correct me if I'm wrong.
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At the time of recording, recently just done, your written
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and directed your first short film, Is that right?
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I have? It's in the edit. It's called Hate Knee Dip.
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It is a short comedy about a bank heist. And
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I was absolutely bricking it that first edit, you know, like,
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I sure we haven't got the film. We haven't got
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the film? That was That was a shit show. It's
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all going badly wrong. And then I watched the editor.
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We're like, oh, I've got a good film. I've got
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an alright film. This wasn't a complete waste of money
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in some way watchable and doesn't look like a student
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made it. So yeah, so literally first assembly. So I
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go to notes every day. I reckon Yeah, later in
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the year, festivals, got next year, something like that. But yeah, fantastic,
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it's good fun.
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Well you can update us when you come back for
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later episodes. Yeah, absolutely fantastic. Well that's the team for today,
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ladies and gentlemen. So today we are going back to
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the year nineteen ninety eight as we give a second
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take to Godzilla. That's right, lady, you know, today we
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are talking about nineteen ninety eight's American Godzilla movie. The
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infamous nineteen ninety eight Godzilla Movie directed by Roland Emeric
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from a script by Roland Emeric and his writing partner
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Dean Devlin, starring Matthew Broderick, Genreno, Maria Patillo, Hankazaria, Kevin Dunn,
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Michael Lerner, and Harry Sheer. This film was made for
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a budget of one hundred and fifty million dollars and
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made three hundred and seventy nine million dollars at the
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box office. It was the third highest grossing movie the
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year it came out, and later on in the quiz,
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one of the questions is going to be to tell
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me which film beat it, So start thinking on that
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one now later.
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That's my only guess.
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There we go. The film received generally negative reviews from critics.
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On Rotten Tomatoes, it has an approval rating of twenty percent,
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with the site's critical consensus reading without compelling characters or heart,
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Godzilla stomps on everything that made the original or any
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monster movie worth its salt a classic. Roger Ebert from
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the Chicago Sun Times gave the film one and a
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half stars out of four. Of course he did because
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the film is quite insulting, to Roger Ebert saying one
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must carefully repress intelligent thought while watching such a film.
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The movie. The movie makes no sense at all, except
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as a careless pastige of its betters. And yes, the
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Japanese Godzilla movies are in their way better, if only
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because they embraced Drek instead of condescending to it. You
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have to absorb such a film, not consider it, but
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my brain rebelled and insisted on applying logic where it
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was not welcome. Just to note, in this film, Gene
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Siskel and Roger Ebert are parodied quite heavily because they
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gave Roland Emerick's previous film, Independence Day and the one
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before that, Stargate, bad reviews. Oh did Stargate? He did? Yeah,
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I've got Stargate. They actually responded, no, they responded to
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that better, right. They responded to their inclusion in the
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film in probably the best way by saying, he couldn't
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even insult us. Right, if you're going to go to
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the trouble of put in the film, why do we
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not get killed? Why don't we get eaten or crushed
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or squished? Anyway? Roland Emrick has noted that he was
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quite disappointed that the sequel never got made because the
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film did very well, like we said, third highest grossing
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film of the year, but for some reason the studio
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felt that that was below their expectations. Michael O'Sullivan of
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The Washington Post queried, the question is this Are the
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awe inspiring creature effects and roaring battle scenes impressive enough
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to make you forget the stupid story inaccurate science and
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basic implausibility.
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Inaccurate science. What did they expect from a Godzilla movie? Yeah,
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there's a big radioactive lizard.
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It's not very accurate, is it. Yeah? Oh, In Glieberman,
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writing for Entertainment Weekly, thought there's no resonance to the
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new Godzilla and no built in cheese value either. For
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a while, the filmmakers hon are the sentimental paradox that
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seeped into the later Godzilla films that this primitive destroyer
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like King Kong, doesn't actually mean any harm. You opine
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that the film contained some clever and exciting sequences, but
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ultimately came to the conclusion that it says much about
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today's blockbuster filmmakers that they could spend so much money
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on Godzilla and still fail to do justice to something
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that was fairy tale, destructile shlock to begin with. Hanker's
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Area has said that he regrets the film. Matthew Broderick
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has said he doesn't regret the film, but does feel
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that he probably wasn't the best person to play the
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part that he played.
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But that's accurate of any Matthew Broderick character.
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I'm just going to come in. I've been staying quiet
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and slowly building with rage.
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He liked this film though they are all so wrong.
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I mean, they're right for the most part.
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So they're not wrong.
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They are, but they're also incredibly wrong.
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Okay, well, in a minute, we're going to ask you
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how you first saw this movie. But before we do that,
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it's time for the quiz. That's right, Laden Delman. For
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the first time ever, we have got someone else playing
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the quiz, So let me just explain how this is
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going to work. Don't don't do so. As we know,
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the overall goal of the series is Rory has to
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achieve a score of seventy percent or more. I'm not
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winning otherwise, I'm going to force him to rewatch Serendipity.
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If Rory does achieve seventy percent or more, he is
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going to force me to watch the movie Kill Keith.
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Which is a horror murder movie with Keith cheg Win
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in it.
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Oh wow, he.
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Has it on DVD because I bought it for him
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and he still.
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Hasn't watched it.
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It's got Keith cheg Win, It's got what's his name,
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Squally gets murdered in it.
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Now, Harry, you are our first guest to take part
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in the quiz. So the guests are on a separate
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leader board. If at the end of the season, you
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are the guest with the highest score, we will invite
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you back next season to review a film of your choosing.
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Okay, it's a little bit like the leader boarding star
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and reasonably.
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That's exactly what I'm ripping off. Thank you for calling
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attention to it.
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Outside, So do I get extra extra.
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We're going to call the second to ask question Gambon.
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These are all questions relating to Godzilla.
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I just want to say, I'm impressed you pulled a
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top Gear reference there with Gambon corner.
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I didn't think you like top but I know it. Oh,
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fair fair play, fair play.
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Just remind I get to choose a film that you
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both have to watch.
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Yes, if you're our highest scoring guest at the end of.
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The season, there's no downside. No one has to I
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don't get.
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Don't want you, we want you have the option of
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coming back. He's contractually obligated. Okay, So here we go,
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And what I'll do is for each question, I'll alternate
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who I ask first. Okay, So question one. Godzilla was
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the third highest grossing movie of nineteen ninety eight, but
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which other sci fi disaster film was number one?
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Harry, Fi disaswer is a good clue. You know what
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is it? Star Wars Episode one? A phantom menace?
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What do you think it is? Rory? I don't know why.
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The only one that's come to mind, and this is
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definitely wrong thirteenth Floor.
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I'm afraid you're one year too soon, Harry. If we
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were a year later, you would have been right. The
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correct answer is Armageddon. Oh forgot Armageddon. Of course it
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was Armageddon.
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A lot of bloomers.
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Great, that's the first film we did on second take Cinema. Yeah,
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Space Dementia. Forgot about that bit.
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The Space Dementia beat is terrible. We enjoyed it though
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it was It was.
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Bad, but we enjoyed it. Question two. This film, this
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film featured three actors who are all voice actors from
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which animated TV series?
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Rory, didn't they have three from this?
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Yeah?
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Harry Shearer, it's the Simpsons, Harry say the Simpsons.
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It is the Simpsons. You're both correct, apparently. I don't
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know if this is true. Other than the Simpsons itself.
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This is the biggest project to have loads of Simpsons
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people in it. Okay, next one is a true or
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false question, so it's fifty to fifty true or false.
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At one point, Tim Burton was in talks to direct
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this movie. Harry, I die, I can't see it false.
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See I think it's false as well. But okay, it's
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kind of then but then yeah, I know, But then
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then we're both going on this. Now you know what
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I'm sticking false O. I don't think it's real.
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It's true.
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That would have been weird.
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Johnny Depp as.
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Yeah, that's the guy.
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Okay, another true or false? Where's the gun? So another
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true or false? It's fifty percent Toho. That's all right,
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all right, Toho. The makers of the Japanese series were
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so disappointed in this movie that they refuse to call
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this version of Godzilla Godzilla true or false.
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Rory, I think that's true.
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I think I read this and I know it to
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be true.
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It is true. They referred to him as simply Zilla
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or Geno, which stands for Godzilla in name only. The
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guy who actually played Godzilla, because in the Japanese ones,
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it's a man in a suit, isn't it was so
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offended by this movie that he walked out of the
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premiere Okay, next question. The director of this film, Roland Emerich,
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has a record, which is he directed the first ever
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movie that made one hundred million dollars in less than
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one week. It was the film he did right before Godzilla.
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What film was it?
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It is Independence Day, that's my guess. Yeah, Independence Day.
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I'm going to go Independence Day as well. It is
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Independent Stay well done.
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I think it's either that or Universal Soldier, which.
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The following year, nineteen ninety nine, Matthew Broderick would be
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the star and yet another badly received movie, this time
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a children's movie adapted from a kid's TV show, Rory.
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What movie was that? Inspector Gadget? Harry, Yeah, it is
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Inspector Gadget. Yeah.
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Also, Matthew Broderick is not an inspector. It doesn't look a.
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Thing like him. I hate Matthew Broderick and will come
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on to this more. But I hate him so much.
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I don't hate really, I just find him unwatchable.
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Yeah, we'll discuss that when it gets to the movie.
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Because question seven it's gonna sound like we're ragged on
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the poor.
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Question seven. Harry Shearer plays a news reporter in this film.
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But what of the famous news report. Does he play
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in another thing?
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Is he the news reporter another news report? In Groundhog
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Day Road?
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Guess, Rory, he's Kent Brockman in the Simpsons.
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He is Kent Brockman in the Simpsons, which was why
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I couldn't take any of his scenes seriously in this
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because he's doing his Kent Brockman voice.
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I'm fairly certain he's also in Spinal Tap, Yes, Dave.
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Dave said he was in Spinal Tap. He's the bassist
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in spinal Ta.
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Yeah, okay, next question, this is another fifty to fifty one.
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All you have to do is tell me higher or
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lower Godzilla's total screen time in Can you do this
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he's going to do if I remember Bruce Forsyth, well enough,
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I would, but I have not seen Bruce Forsyth in
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anything nice.
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Could you please just say.
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I'll say it at the end, So, Rory, in this film,
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Godzilla has a total screen time of twenty minutes. Do
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you think it's higher or lower than that Godzilla himself?
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Just Godzilla, just not the babies Godzilla. You think it's less?
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Does it include like just feet or just hands?
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This is sounding more like a do we just get feet.
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Higher.
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I'm afraid it is lower. Godzilla is only in the
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film for eleven minutes.
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That would makes sense, they say, focused the whole end
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is just his babies.
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Yeah, okay, true or false? And this is just an
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excuse to be able to talk about it. The marketing
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for this movie was specifically designed to mock Jurassic Park.
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Harry, I'm gonna go with true. I think I've saw
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some pretty bad marketing for this, and yeah.
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And then true. I mean they would have missed a
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trick if they didn't reference.
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It is true. The first trailer for this started with,
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you know the end of Durrassic Park, where there in
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the big hall with the skeleton t recks. It starts
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in a hall that looks just like that with the
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big skeleton t Rex, and then Godzilla's foot comes through
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the roof and crushes it and it comes up. I
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can't actually tell you that because that's the next question.
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The final gave away the question.
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I know that was a mistake and that was a
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really good way of wing into the ship.
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Final question, what was the tagline of this movie? Rory
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better than Jurassic part is that? Your final answer?
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Sod it?
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Yeah?
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Why not. I don't know, Harry.
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Remember some Uh, let's go with we're going to make history.
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I'm afraid not. The tagline for this movie was size
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does Matter. That is pathetic, fantastic.
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So at the end of that.
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Rory, well done. You scored seven out of ten. Harry,
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you scored five out of ten. Well done.
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Where does this put me on the leaderboard?
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We're the first guest we've had so well done. Well,
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ladies and gentlemen. That is it for the quiz. We
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will be right back after these commercials. Nice to see you,
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to see you nice, Thank you so much. Okay, ladies
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and gentlemen. So we are back talking about Godzilla in
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nineteen ninety eight, and as would only be polite, we're
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going to throw it to our friend Harry first. Harry Cay,
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tell us a bit about how you for the first
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time you saw this movie.
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I actually owned this film on VHS. I think I
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bought the film on VHS from all Worths with my
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pocket money for twelve nineteen no or whatever it was
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at the time, and me and my brother thought it
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was the greatest thing we'd ever seen.
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Yeah, yeah, I was the same pretty much. This was
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as a kid This was one of my favorite movies
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as a kid. I actually though, because I never went
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to the cinema as a kid. I actually, before I
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saw the film, read the novelization, like I got bought
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the novelization. It was like a big hardback book with
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pictures in it and everything. I got bought that for
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Christmas in nine, nineteen ninety eight, and then read that
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like twelve times, and then saw the film on VHS
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in nineteen ninety nine, already knowing everything that was going
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to happen.
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Yeah, so it was it was it actually was it
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Matthew Broderick in the book, And like.
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There's pictures of Matthew Broderick, John Rena photos. Yeah, no,
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it's actual photos from the film. And I also had
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a little action figure of the Godzilla from this movie.
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That was my favorite toy as a kid, and I
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used to make him fight my Power Ranger's action figures
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actually spot on, which might be the most ninety sentence
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anyone has ever said, Ponger, I not actually done that Zilla,
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No they haven't, Rory, I think this is the first
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time for you. Isn't it a first watch?
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Yes?
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Yeah? Not a big Godzilla fan? Are you this is.
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Only the second Godzilla fan Godzilla fan Godzilla film I've
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seen since the last one you showed.
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Me, which was Godzilla versus com Yes, which wasn't.
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A good film and the reason I avoided Godzilla's because
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it sounded shit. And then you've showed me two in
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a row that people go, oh, by the way, that's
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a ship one.
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Yeah, so not that bad. Yeah.
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I will say the CGI is not as good in
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this version, but back in the nineties it I have
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one major issue with this film, not the CGI. The
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CGI is a bit ropia shit. I know it probably
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looked better in ninety eight. It's still not good for
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ninety eight. If I'm being honest, they should have done
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more puppetry work. But even so, the CGI isn't my
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biggest problem with this because again early CGI comparatively, I
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can't believe this film cannot do green screening properly. The
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green screening this is some of the worst I've seen
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in a feature film. Since the seventies.
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We didn't know what a green screen was, so I.
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Won't give them that blue and green screening since the
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early James Bond film, so I've not given them the
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out they screwed up?
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Well, what won't Me and Jamie didn't know what green
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screen was, so we were like, whatever they're doing.
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I think that's part of the problem.
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I'm watching it when I'm not a kid, going what for?
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Yeah? Okay, so where do we want to start? Where
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would you like to start with this film? Harry?
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This is a list of likes of this film, and
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they were they were. What's interesting about the likes of
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this film that there were things I liked when I
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was seven and they're the things I still like now. Okay,
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here we go. My likes new York reporters who wear
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their caps backwards, helicopters, h New York based c g
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I guns and army stuff, big monsters to go ah,
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and that green font that comes up when they want
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to do a super with the little sound that goes yeah.
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And this film has got all of those things.
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Yes, I love that when it when you first go
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to New York, it doesn't come up New York. It
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comes up the City that Never sleeps. We know what
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it is.
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But yeah. Also, just interestingly, as a parallel of written
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down all the things I hate and it just says
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Matthew Broderick, look at that.
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Performance. Sh yeah, shall we? Shall we start by bullying
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Matthew Broderick for ten minutes.
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Well, look, I hate him and I hate Ferris Bueller's
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Day Off.
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I hate about him.
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I just he's such a wet actor, like he just
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he's just kind of like he's just got this little
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puppy face that he just kind of moves around like
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looking all confused and just a hom hands up. I've
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never got through Ferrispuel's Day Off because about twenty minutes in,
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I just get so angry his face and and I
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think it. I think it was also when I was seven,
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like I didn't really hate anymore. I was quite a
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laid back child. But there's something about Matthew Broderick and Godzilla.
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Just everything he did. I was just like, this man's annoying.
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Do you know what I get? I get what you mean.
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I'm not a big Matthew.
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I just like the way you're phrasing it. It's quite
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fresh for something, just like.
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The way he moves himself.
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As far as Matthew Broderick, I think this is this
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for me is probably the best Matthew Broderick performance I've seen.
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He's still not good it's okay, it's it's quite passable.
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I think he fits the role relatively well. I kind
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of disagree with him saying he doesn't fit the role,
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like as if he's not believable as a nerd. I'm like, mate,
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you're not. I'm not sitting here going I don't believe
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you because you're so ripped and chiseled.
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You know.
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It's like I can believe Matthew Broderick's a massive.
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Nerd, A worm scientist.
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Yeah, I can imagine he does that.
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Anyway, That's pretty much half of Ferris Buller's day Off
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is in the reality he was just out back looking
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at worms.
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He kind of is a worm, like he's almost a
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human worm. That's what I think.
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You can cut him in half.
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But no, I've seen him in War Games and that's
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one of his earliest films, and he's good in that.
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But then he's it's because basically he's the right age
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for the film. When I watched Feris Bueller's day Off,
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I saw that only about two years ago. I was like,
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you know what people rave about this film, and it's
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meant to be one of his best performances. I'll give
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it a watch. I don't like it. I didn't. I
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thought he was the worst thing in it. I don't
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think he's got the charisma to pull off that role.
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There's a charisma you need as a leading man to
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be like, you know what, this guy's an asshole, But
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I kind of like him. The Groucho Marx thing, you know,
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Grautcho Marks is always a dickhead in every single Marx
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Brothers movie, but you kind of like him because he's
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taking it to the you know, the right people, the
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well off, posh twats at the top. Varius Bueller is
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just an annoying but somehow bland teenager who's rocking against
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or don't want to go school day. I'm like, wow,
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those are high stakes and that's not his fault, that's
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the writing. But again, I don't think he brought a
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lot of charisma to it. Again, in The Cable Guy,
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even though let's be honest, he's he's acting against Jim Carey,
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who steals every scene he's in because that man knows
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how to tue furniture better than anyone. Matthew Broderick didn't
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stand out as as a performance versus, even even up
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against Jim Carey.
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I like the cable guy, and I've even blanked out
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that he's in it because I just.
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Exactly he's the.
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Most so when it came to this, yeah, I will
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say I thought his performance was fine. I liked him
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in the role. But when he said when he said,
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I think there's someone out there that could have done
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this role more justice than me, I can't sit help
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but sit there and go mate, that's every film role
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you've ever had.
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There is an interesting character in this film which we
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should probably could. I feel like she was probably skapegoaded
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a little bit. Maria Patillo, who plays the main girl
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Audrey in this, is the one who was the journalist.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Infamously, her career basically ends after this.
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She was never in anything else.
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She was in about two indie films after this, and
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that made no money and that was it, and she
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won the Golden Raspberry for Worst Actress for she is
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pretty bad. I've got I don't want to be horrible,
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and to be fair, part of it's the script doesn't help.
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I never believed anything she was saying.
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No when she's in her room after she's betrayed him
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and he's gotten sacked, and then she's crying in her room,
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which is like a twelve year old would do, but
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she went to take a seriously as an adult journalist.
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I can't believe I got. In fact, it's a Broderick's character.
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He says the right thing, like what did you think
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would happen? But I could be the one to save
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him all of that script problems. But also, I'll be honest,
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it may be directorial as well. I mean, don't get
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me wrong, her performance is bad, but she's she can
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only go based on what the script is telling her
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she needs to do and what the director is asking
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for her. In that scene. She didn't have to be
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breaking down crying at that point. She could have been like,
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oh shit, I've made a mistake and be like I
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need to correct this, rather than sit there cringing someone.
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You know. That's more of a directorial to what I
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mean is I didn't believe her when she was crying.
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I believe that.
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But this is where I think it's all three because
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the writing doesn't set her up very well, makes her
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come off more as a bad guy. The direction is
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sit there and cry like you're having a blobbing match,
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and then her performance doing that isn't very good, so
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all around her character needed a full on rewrite.
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I would have given her another film.
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Though it's not fair that out of everyone in this film,
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she's the one whose career torpedoed.
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Like if Reese Witherspoon's got a career with the brutal
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Jesus for everyone really loves Reese. Witherspoon's going to kill
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me for that comment. But yeah, I don't think she's
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that good. And then Marie Bill I've thought, you know,
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his cartoon like performance. I'll agree, but there's something to
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She's got Scott charisma. There's that way she does own
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a screen quite well. And you know, like I would
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have liked to have seen her in more Stonyeah.
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I think the saving grace performance wise in this film
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is genre now as.
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Philippe, I don't know how I'm looking at it again, Jean,
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you can do better than this, ye To be fair, afterwards,
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he did go and do Rollaball two thousand and two,
494
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and I'm like, John, what are you doing?
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Leon the professional?
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Yea who I like to call him gen Reno the Professional?
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I mean, I also like to pretend that there's a
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world where he is actually Leon the Professional. Right, Still still,
499
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you know, he just then goes and works for French intelligence,
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and I was half expecting him to kind of blow
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up as someone and go for Madilda. I think that's
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a you know, personally, I think that's what the film
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is missing.
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I kind of like the idea maybe that is genre. No,
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Like John's ly on the professional, but his cover is
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being an actor. So they send him on to do
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shitty films because there's a target he needs to take out.
508
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.920
While doing them, he's reporting to a Manuel mccron. That's it.
509
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.720
That's it. I think that the joke in the whole
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film that works best for me is when they're trying
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to get through that checkpoint and they've all obviously they're
512
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all French, aren't They used him, and they put the
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chewinger in them as he's like, well, your chewing gum
514
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is like makes us look more American. They're just going
515
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and then when he's like, don't you want to say anything?
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He just goes, thank you very much in a pretty
517
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.839
passable Elvis.
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Yeah.
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Is that dubbed or did he actually do that?
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I think that's n think I reckon. He's got some
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range to him. Most Unfortunately, because a lot of the
522
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pop stuff we see him in, I don't think challenges
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him particularly well.
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American films have got a habit of not giving opportunities
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to foreign actors.
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Have or if they do, they it's like, well, I
527
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liked you as Leon, so you're in this film, but
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basically be Leon. They'll do that in every single film
529
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:02.519
they put in.
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Also think it's very interesting that this is a film about,
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you know, a radioactive lizard destroying New York and cause
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00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.680
all sorts of crazy carnage. Is a little bit far fetched,
533
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.559
But I think the most far fetched thing in the
534
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whole film is actually when John Rena goes, oh, I
535
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.960
watched a lot of Elvis movies. No one watches Elvis movies,
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particularly not the French, So for me, that was the
537
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.319
least believable line in the film.
538
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Yes, I'll save this towards the end because I actually
539
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.759
think the inclusion of the French character is interesting based
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on something that the Japanese creators of Godzilla said about
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this film. But we'll get to that at the end.
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00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:44.559
Let's talk instead about the man himself. Godzilla Okay quite
543
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.200
famously a different design.
544
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In this Actually, before we move on to Godzilla, can
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I just I just because we're talking about the cast.
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00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.680
I just want to finish off. Oh Hank, Yeah, well yeah,
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00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.200
so Hankasari. I think there's a blinding job. I always
548
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.680
everything I see Hankazari are in, whether it's tiny like
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he's one episode Stint and it's basically a secondary minor
550
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character in the Fresh Prince of bel Air, to everything
551
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character he's done in The Simpsons Friends. His character and
552
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Friends is great when he's in Dodgeball as the younger.
553
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It's the way he pauses between the dive and the
554
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second dodge.
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He's spot on.
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This man nails comedy, but in this he has some
557
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comedy bit. He's a really different role in this to
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what he usually plays it. I'll tell you what I didn't.
559
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.799
I liked it, and I've seen him in other stuff
560
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as well. The man's pretty chiseled. I always wondered why
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he didn't have more of a of a non Simpsons
562
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related or non comedic He blamed.
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He blames this film. Oh yeah, he went. He signed
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up to this film thinking this was going to be
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like his way into being a mainstream leading man type.
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This hapdened a lot in the late nineties because I've
567
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seen Matt LeBlanc did Lost in Space and everyone just went, oh,
568
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so you're Joey from Friends in Space, even though he
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didn't act it that way. I thought she thought he
570
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did quite well in that film.
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And then hank was a kid Lost in Space skit
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the ship out of making it. The bit where Gary
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Oldman turns into a big c g I Spider as
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a kid skid c g I on that Spider is
575
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better than the Have you ever seen Lost in Space?
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I haven't.
577
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:20.319
It's not good.
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00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:22.839
He's got Jerry from Friends.
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00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.039
Yeah, he's the lead guy in it, and he's meant
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to be like an act He's like a Captain Kirk Time,
581
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you know, starship leaders.
582
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.640
Honestly, I think he played that well. And Gary Oldman
583
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.960
obviously always not every roll up, apart from when he was.
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Uh, we won't talking about, we won't talk about. I
585
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.079
really want to see Tiptoes just for the hell of there.
586
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.440
Just to see how bad it could be. But yeah,
587
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.720
the I did find it odd that Hankers are Matt LeBlanc.
588
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.920
There's a lot of actors that tried to come out
589
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of TV into film America. I just didn't rejected them,
590
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.519
whereas now we're in a weird space where after certainly
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after Breaking Bad, the line between TV and film is
592
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:09.200
much more blurred. So we see Brian Cranston in films
593
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because he's so good in TV. But in the late
594
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nineties that didn't really happen. Sorry, are so good, we
595
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.960
might as well make him a movie star. Didn't really happen.
596
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.480
It was like, no, get back in your lane.
597
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.519
Because TV is considered more prestige now and in the
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nineties it's almost all considered sort of the simple cousin
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of film.
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I think also because both TV and movies are now
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generically viewed as just content.
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Fortunately, you know, whereas.
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Films, well, this is the silver screen and you've got
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you know, just TV down here. Now it's all content.
605
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.640
And I think that is partly that is Marvel that
606
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have done that, to an extent Marvel, because when mar Rooms, well,
607
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when Marvel started doing all their Disney plus series, loads
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00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.160
of people are like, well, you're not gonna get any
609
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of the Avengers in it, because they're they're in the
610
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.319
biggest fucking movie of all time and it's Disney, buddy.
611
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They to be fair, to be fair, they didn't get
612
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.720
everyone you ain't seen fucking Robert Danny Junior walking around
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in Disney plush ship or Chris Hemsworth.
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He probably made it clear he just wasn't interesting.
615
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.400
Yeah, but you got Tom Middleston. Yeah, I mean, to
616
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.039
be fair, I'm not gonna slag him off because Loki
617
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was actually really good. It's one of the few Disney
618
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.240
plush shows they've done that I liked. I haven't seen
619
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:20.359
the second season yet.
620
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.119
Though, so Yeah, I think it's the problem with this
621
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.680
creating content is you're just so overwhelmed. You go, I
622
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.000
tell you what, I'm not gonna watch any of it.
623
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.799
How about that, I'm gonna watch that one good film
624
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:30.319
that comes out.
625
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.440
I like the Marvel films. Yeah, I'm so behind now
626
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.480
because it's just so many. Like when you're factor in
627
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.880
all the series as well, I can't keep up. And
628
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.039
to be honest, the quality started to dip, so I'm
629
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.799
not inclined to keep up either.
630
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.720
But this is right, okay, for particularly like rewatching Godzilla,
631
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.119
I was like there was particularly like I fucking love
632
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.000
this movie because this was like kind of those last
633
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.559
vestiges of like we're gonna to make this movie. It's
634
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.759
gonna be cheesy, it's gonna have, but these are the parameters.
635
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.960
And yeah, they say that. This is one of the
636
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.920
later nineties films where they started to kind of, you know,
637
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.800
paint outside the lines of like what they should have done,
638
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.519
because they were like, let's have some fun with the
639
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.360
c G. And it's like, well, actually, you should have
640
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.400
just made a better movie and maybe not done too
641
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.360
long without or too long that. But like now they're
642
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.440
just these writers' rooms and they're like, let's just stick
643
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.639
everything in and the Captain America gets the hammer I
644
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.800
don't know, and then they fly in and then and
645
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.400
then the explosions on the spaceships and time travel and
646
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.039
you're just like, why are you just doing a spider
647
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.400
diaram and going, let's put this all in like someone
648
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.639
needs to write something and it's like a diary entry
649
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.239
and go yeah, and you go, this is my piece
650
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.360
of work. Let's go make it. And that's that's that
651
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.599
should that should be movies. But yeah, these writers were
652
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.599
to drive me mental.
653
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.800
That's the word. Paradoxical relationship I have with this film.
654
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.519
Having watched it again now as a grown up, I
655
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.639
reckon that it is not technically a good film, Like
656
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.920
the plot's stupid. It's full of plot holes. I didn't
657
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:11.360
I wasn't bored watching it, and I didn't hate it.
658
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.800
I loved it. Yeah, there is CGI, but you know
659
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.199
when they get towards the end, they're in Madison Square Garden.
660
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.159
How great was it that it was an actual fucking set,
661
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not a green screen, Like that's the state where at
662
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.239
the minute I was watching it when it's a set,
663
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the bit where they walk in and there's all the
664
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.679
there's like a broken balcony and then there's all the
665
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dinosaur eggs and they're walking in between them and Matthew
666
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.800
Broderick and puts his ear up to wonder, and I
667
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.039
was just watching they built this, They actually built this,
668
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.639
Like it wins points just for danging wrong. I don't
669
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.119
think they should have done the baby godzillas, but the
670
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.519
fact they actually built the set that wins points for me.
671
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.840
I'm so sick of seeing sets that are just green
672
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.719
screens with actors pasted on the front of.
673
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:56.119
The So obviously I've not seen this film before, so
674
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:01.079
you two have some nostal which I don't have. And
675
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.400
it's also I'm not a big fan of Godzilla. I've
676
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.159
not seen any of them other than that other shitty
677
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:10.480
one that we've already reviewed. But this and but it's
678
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.880
kind of a good interesting comparison point because both Godzilla
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Versus Kong two or whatever it.
680
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Is, Godzilla versus Cong it's just the first one.
681
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.440
That was just the first of those, right, Okay, who
682
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.559
could care? But Godzilla Versus Kong and this ninety eight
683
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:30.360
Godzilla are both cheesy action blockbusters of their time. Now,
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00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.440
the CGI in Godzilla Versus Kong is obviously way better
685
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than the CGI in this film. That's a given. Bear
686
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in mindless, like over twenty twenty five years later, something
687
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:41.119
like that, twenty to twenty.
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Five, ninety eight to twenty twenty two.
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Twenty four years, so twenty four years of technological advancement.
690
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.800
That makes a lot of sense. But as you say,
691
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everything in Godzilla Versus Kong, it got to a point
692
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where while we were watching it, I said this year
693
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didn't know. When we were watching it, I was like,
694
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I don't feel like I can watch a cinematic movie anymore.
695
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This isn't cinema. I'm watching an extended video game cutscene.
696
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.039
Because the monkey's fake, the reptile's fake, the city's fake,
697
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.280
the underground fucking hollow Earth is fake. All the environments
698
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are fake, all the effects are fake, and every now
699
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.280
and then they'll just copy paste a human over the
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front of it and call that a movie. And I'm like,
701
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.320
but actually like, certainly in the scenes without humans, what's
702
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.639
the difference between me watching this and watching Tech and
703
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.960
nine on playing on the PS five There isn't one,
704
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.960
whereas at least with Godzilla ninety eight, there's still camrangles,
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some artistic camerangles chosen, obviously a lot more actors because
706
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.559
they're not having to try and copy paste them over
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00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.519
so much green screen. Though the green screen is terrible
708
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.360
in this. It's honestly the worst thing for me because
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00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.440
the CGI can forgive the green screen. I absolutely cannot
710
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.599
forgive because it's awful. But the fact is there are sets,
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there is cinematographer, there is something in this film that
712
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.880
makes it still a movie. And as you say, when
713
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it comes to the script, the script is not perfect.
714
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.679
There was holes in script, and there are problems with
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00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:17.920
that script. Like yourself, I wasn't bored the with the
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00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:22.719
twenty twenty two Godzilla versus Kong. There were honestly bits
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00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.960
where I was like, I'm actually I forced myself to
718
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.119
watch it more than I was, like, I'm compelled to
719
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watch it because it's like it's not a bad film
720
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:36.400
for its genre, I suppose, but it's not interesting. It
721
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.400
doesn't do anything of value. Yeah, neither does this, but
722
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.119
at least the story you felt like it had more stakes.
723
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This is it, I think, you know, especially with nineties cinema,
724
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they were like they were standing on the shoulders of
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00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.599
giants and trying to make stuff more like entertaining. But
726
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.360
they were like really appreciative of like a three acts structure. Yep.
727
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.840
Some some lead characters for story arcs, you know, the
728
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.679
crisis point so here, here and here, and they need
729
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.440
to be resolved by here. And then you know, you
730
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.360
like just like the classic storytelling stuff which is so
731
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.320
important and it's thousands of years old, and then you
732
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.639
watched one films and they're just like just events. It's
733
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.000
just it's just a series. And then like we're trying
734
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.519
to make something different. You're like no, no, no, you're you're
735
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:28.800
you're just doing away with everything that's important about storytelling.
736
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.280
Do you know what? I actually kind of know the
737
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.719
reason for this, So I don't know if I think
738
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.480
I might have said this the last time you were on,
739
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.320
so I apologized from repeating myself.
740
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.800
I've forgotten, so it's fine.
741
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.559
Marvel did a TV show called Secret Invasion, which I
742
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.960
haven't seen, but it wasn't received super well because it
743
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.480
was a secret and the writer for it came out
744
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.719
and said that his brief, the instructions he was given
745
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.960
by Marvel was that the show needed to be entertain
746
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.320
paining enough that no one turned it off, but it
747
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:08.239
shouldn't be so entertaining that people aren't on social media
748
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.400
at the same time it's on tweeting about it. And
749
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.400
I think modern film.
750
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.159
Is that that's definitely while you're still on your phone.
751
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.519
This is that's because that's where they're making money now,
752
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.400
is through social media advertising and sponsorship, and Marvel in
753
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:28.119
particular has definitely become that. Like Post End Game, which
754
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.480
was the last really good film they did. The films
755
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.000
feel you can physically feel the writers going put that
756
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.719
bit because it will become a meme. It doesn't really
757
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.159
make sense for the character to do that. Oh yeah,
758
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:40.760
but it'll be a meme and it will get popular
759
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.199
for like a second, will trend on Twitter. Sorry sorry
760
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:52.400
x X, but you know. I mean they're writing, they're
761
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.800
writing for an algorithm now and not to tell a
762
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.679
good story, is what I feel the problem.
763
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.159
Yeah, that makes sense, That would make sense. Yeah, and
764
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.960
you know it's probably money saving as well, Like why
765
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:11.159
like Godsilla cost however much, but with the guarantee you know,
766
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.239
like if you made Godzilla now for one hundred and
767
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.159
thirty million odd, there's no guarantee you'd make what was it,
768
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.639
three hundred million of the box office because people don't
769
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.440
go to cinema the way they used to, So you know,
770
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.559
you kind of do feel for them, you know, when
771
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.360
they can just pay some CGI VFX guy to just
772
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:33.800
make you know, cong versus Godzilla and they just sit
773
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.239
in the computer room. You've just got to pay that
774
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.440
guy for a year and a half other than build
775
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.000
a set and cast the crew and all the rest
776
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:41.239
of it.
777
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.719
But the thing is that ends up costing more because
778
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.199
they have such There's two issues with CGI use in
779
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:48.880
films at the moment. I've said this before, so I'll
780
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.360
try and keep it brief. But basically, the issue we
781
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.320
have with big Hollywood movies relying so much on CGI
782
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.320
is that Number one, you need to pay for that
783
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.599
CGI often costs more than it would cost you to
784
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.360
build the sets. If you're just doing basic shit, you're
785
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.440
actually making a loss on that idea and it looks worse.
786
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.239
Then number two is in order to fit the tight
787
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.840
schedules that they're given. It's normally like we need this
788
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.159
whole film like made and edited out within two months.
789
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.480
But that's a lot CGI to build. But then just
790
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.679
to render stuff out. Certainly, when you're rendering out of
791
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.400
four K eight K seventy five millimeter size visual quality,
792
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.840
in order to render out that much, it's like something
793
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.679
like it takes during the rendering process, you're looking at
794
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.599
something like I think it's ten hours per minute.
795
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.039
That's just to save the file out. So and there's
796
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:43.880
a lot of stories at the minute, isn't there. Visual
797
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:48.079
effects houses are really struggling with burnout because Hollywood studios
798
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.239
are just demanding more and more and quicker and quicker.
799
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.840
And so if your computer is no longer accessible because
800
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.800
it's rendering out for ten hours for a minute's long sequence,
801
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.199
then you've got to use another computer. So you've got
802
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.800
to buy more equipment in to match a time schedule
803
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.119
that is unrealistic. Certainly, when they go, right, we're gonna
804
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.880
lighting this film. It's going to be finished in three years,
805
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.599
and then by the time they get to the visual effects,
806
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:11.039
it's like, you've got two months to finish yourself.
807
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:11.480
Thanks.
808
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.400
So it's actually a false dichotomy. They think because it's
809
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.400
shiny CGI, it makes it much better. But that's why
810
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.199
CGI looks worse now than it did like ten years ago,
811
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.320
not because visual effects are worse now, because that's far
812
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.159
from the problem. It's the crunch.
813
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:27.880
Yeah.
814
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.519
So the biggest misstep in this film for me that
815
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.400
I want to talk about, and the reason I asked
816
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.920
the question in the quiz about did they mock Jurassic
817
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.360
Park because they did. The entire third act of this
818
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.599
film wants to be Jurassic Parks because the scene the
819
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.079
clever girl bit but without the lion. Yeah. Like, and
820
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.360
that's the biggest misstep in the film for me. Yeah.
821
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:51.960
The whole time I was the grind. I don't want
822
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.639
these babies. Yeah, I want fucking Godzilla, the one big guy.
823
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.480
The one bit with the babies that did pay off
824
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.039
for me is once they it was right at the end,
825
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.599
the babies were dead. You didn't need the baby sequence
826
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.000
for this to work. They could have just found the
827
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.800
babies and killed them. Oh when Godzilla and tries to
828
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.239
nudge once if it's still alive, like come on, wake
829
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.599
up and it's dead, that moment was quite good. It
830
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.760
was wasted in this film, I felt because they didn't
831
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.400
build up enough of the potential emotion.
832
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.880
I actually, I know some people don't. I actually like
833
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.440
that Godzilla when he dies at the end, it's kind
834
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.199
of a sympathetic like, yeah, oh well, this is a
835
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.840
shame we've had to kill you sort of.
836
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:32.440
Yeah.
837
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.760
They should have leaned on that more because Broderick from
838
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.639
the start says it's the first of its kind. There
839
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.960
should have been a bit more questioning throughout it. We're
840
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:45.639
going to exterminate this species. And obviously you can you
841
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.119
can make the you know, logical argument that the reason
842
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.239
we have to exterminate a Godzilla species before it could begin,
843
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.039
preferably it would destroy everything we've built. You know, how
844
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.559
do we defend against a Godzilla race if they you know,
845
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.360
those twelve hatch and grow, et cetera. But there should
846
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.320
have been the moral question do we have like what's
847
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.280
how you know, quote unquote god given right, you know,
848
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.800
because that's us playing god to exterminate the species.
849
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.480
It needed a Dr Malcolm speech.
850
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.320
Well, it need it just needed to ask the question
851
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.239
more because when it gets to the ending, they've killed
852
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.559
Godzilla's babies, we see that does affect Godzilla. It's not
853
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.639
cold to its own death children. And then when it
854
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.719
dies there's that sympathy, as you say, but it's kind
855
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.840
of a little a bit too little, too late. It
856
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.639
needed a bit more of that sprinkled through, just not
857
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.159
to say that we shouldn't kill a species that might
858
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.400
remove us from the planet, but at least to question it.
859
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.079
Yeah, I mean, and well, I think throughout there was
860
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.719
it was very confused whether Godzilla was like how sentient
861
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.239
Godzilla was, whether it just ate fish and didn't like humans,
862
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.280
like whether it was just running away from Topy those
863
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.800
or actually trying to gun him into other submarine like
864
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.079
it was that that monster.
865
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.400
Like flip flopped on whether it had a higher intelligence
866
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.239
or whether.
867
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.559
It was just Dean Devlin, who was one of the
868
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:14.840
co writers and the producers in later years he's admitted
869
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.960
that that's the problem. He's literally said, like he said,
870
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.599
I hold my hands up. It's a problem in the
871
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.719
script is we didn't commit to is Godzilla a good
872
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.280
guy a bad guy? How sentient is he?
873
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.280
And there's there's an animated series. Do you know there's
874
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.800
a there's a Godzilla animated series, which I also got
875
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.360
into because I love the movie so much and it
876
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.000
was on you know, it was on Live and Kicking.
877
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.039
He's like Saturday after Sunday mornings or something. And in
878
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.159
that the story is so the end of the Godzilla film.
879
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.000
One of the eggs sur vibes right, and there's a
880
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.239
lovely little like post credit sceness. It's not post credit scenes,
881
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:54.239
but you know, yeah, the cliffhanger for the cartoon. Thank
882
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.559
god Matthew Broderick or Maria Battillo didn't get cast in
883
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.920
that either. That's the end of their career. But they
884
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.880
kind of got all the other like army parts and
885
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.079
stuff and the Redhead and the science guy, and in
886
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:11.599
that they have brought up a baby Godzilla and he's
887
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.480
completely on their side, and he's like they can like
888
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.840
talk to him, and they're like, Godzilla, come and take out,
889
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.159
and that they're all fighting other monsters. So it's clearly
890
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.599
like part of their thinking is like we're gonna Godzilla
891
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:25.880
is a good guy, like he is, and that was
892
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.000
if they're probably Godzilla two, that's what was going to come.
893
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.159
And that's what they're doing with the modern Godzilla films, right,
894
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.760
you know, Godzilla verse cong It's like, let's call Godzilla
895
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.000
into kick Kong's us because he's a bad guy.
896
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:37.119
The other way around.
897
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.400
Yeah, they call Kong to defeat Godzilla.
898
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:49.559
Well, they're trying trying to smuggle Kong to safety. But Godzilla,
899
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.320
after the events of Godzilla King of Monsters, which is
900
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:58.400
the film before Godzilla versus Kong Goddess Dork, Godzilla has
901
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.719
basically decided that he's going to wipe out all of
902
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.480
the giant monsters to save humanity.
903
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.159
How do they I'm just curious how they get Godzilla
904
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:08.840
to explain that to the humans.
905
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.519
It's honestly, it's Godzilla, King of Terrible film. I went
906
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.800
to the cinema to watch. It's great.
907
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:18.239
Exactly.
908
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:22.239
So I want to talk a bit about the unless
909
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.159
anyone's got anything else to say about the film itself,
910
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.000
I want to end by talking a bit about the
911
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.119
philosophy of the film.
912
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:28.719
The only thing I think I want to say is
913
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.559
from having seen this for the first time, I will
914
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.920
say I genuinely enjoyed it. Yeah, you know it's it's
915
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.280
got terrible moments.
916
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.840
It's a good turn your brain off film, isn't it.
917
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.320
This and Armageddon are very similar to me, which is
918
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.599
interesting that they both came out the same year. That
919
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.199
they are not good films per se, but they're enjoyable enough,
920
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.920
and they suit the tone of being a cheesy fun block.
921
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.679
He's got space dementia, which is still that might be
922
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.679
the funniest lie I've ever heard. He's got It's how
923
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.159
matter of fact, William Victor says he's got space to me,
924
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.480
because if everyone knows what that is, it'd be like
925
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:12.400
me going, he's got cancer. Yeah, like, okay, you had
926
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.519
a good time with it too, Harry.
927
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.559
I love it, as I said, And I said that
928
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.239
my inner seven year olds and his list of nineties
929
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:23.039
nostalgia likes this ticked all of the boxes. And the
930
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.239
Rotten Tomatoes score is wrong and all of the critics
931
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:31.760
are incorrect. Seven year old me is right, yes, of course.
932
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:34.320
Okay, So I want to wrap up by talking a
933
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.679
bit about the philosophy behind the film and the Japanese
934
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.800
reception to it. So, despite what you may think in
935
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.440
the run up to the film coming out. The Japanese
936
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.599
company were super behind this movie to the point where
937
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.599
a few years before this they released what they thought
938
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.599
at the time was going to be the last Japanese
939
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.599
Godzilla movie. They killed Godzilla off at the end of it,
940
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:01.159
and at the end literally had a in the Marvel
941
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.960
Films it comes up the Avengers will return in They
942
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.679
literally had a title card come up saying Godzilla will
943
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.119
return in the first ever American Godzilla film. Like, they
944
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.599
were really behind it, and when it came out they
945
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.840
were a bit put off to the point where they
946
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.000
actually started making Godzilla films again to fix this one
947
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.960
with really silly titles. The one that they made after
948
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:28.719
this was called Godzilla Comma, Mothra Comma and King Goadora
949
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:30.800
all out Monster at Town.
950
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.119
There's a lot of Japanese names that are like that.
951
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.199
Yeah, they tell you exactly what happens in the film.
952
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.840
So if either of you ever seen the original nineteen
953
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:42.800
fifty four Godzilla in black.
954
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:44.880
And white, no, but it's a reference in the film.
955
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.519
That's a very good film, that is the most intelligent
956
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.159
of the films. So just to tell you a little
957
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.519
bit about what that one's about, so that you'll understand
958
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.480
where I'm going with the philosophy of this Offuly Japan
959
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.000
is the only country in the world that has ever
960
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.719
had a nuclear bomb actually dropped on it. In fact,
961
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:04.960
it's had two. That was in nineteen forty five. They
962
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.719
made Godzilla in nineteen fifty four, still very much dealing
963
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with the fallout of that. In that film, Godzilla comes
964
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out of the ocean, starts smashing up Tokyo, and in
965
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:18.119
the end, the only way they can defeat Godzilla is
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00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:22.199
to build an even more devastating weapon than a nuclear bomb.
967
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.159
I think it's called the oxygen bomb or something like that,
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00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.760
and they use it to kill the hydrogen bomb. No,
969
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.000
I'm sure it's called the oxygen bomb because it basically
970
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.320
removes all the oxygen from the atmosphere. So Godzilla like,
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00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.760
oh startcase.
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Yeah.
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00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.000
And the whole point of the film is it's actually
974
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.719
a metaphor for arms racers because they are forced to
975
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:48.400
build it. Basically, think of Godzilla as the American atomic bomb,
976
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.639
and it's shit, America have got this, We now need
977
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.639
to build this, which means America now needs to build
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00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:55.199
something bigger.
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00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.400
That was the arms race for the hydrogen bomb. After
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00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.719
the atomic bomb, Yeah, gone off there. Oh we need
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00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.400
something hydrogen bombs next.
982
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:05.079
Yeah. So it's a very depressing film. It's about very
983
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.760
serious subject matter. Can we watch that one that sounds
984
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:11.719
we are going to do Gadjeira at some point in
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00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.199
this one. None of that's really. Yes, Godzillar is still
986
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.599
created from nucleus off. But what they put so they said,
987
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.960
there's two quotes from the Japanese filmmakers here.
988
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.800
I do want to say before you say the quotes,
989
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:27.159
the radiation in this didn't really go anywhere. It's like
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every now and then it's like, oh I heat seeking
991
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.119
stuff doesn't work, cause radiation. But then he's going through cities,
992
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.199
everyone's standing really next to him in certain scenes, like
993
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.559
he nearly treads on Hankazaria, for example, and yet no
994
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:39.880
one has radiation poisoning.
995
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.559
How radioactive is he? He also doesn't breathe radioactive fire
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in this one.
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00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.119
He can blow up cars with his breath though.
998
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:56.159
Yes, yes, basically the problem So there's two quotes from Japan,
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and the first one was they said the problem they
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00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.639
had with this one is they took the god out
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00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.320
of Godzilla. And the point is in Japan Godzilla is
1002
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:08.360
literally unstoppable. Missiles and things don't phase him. He just
1003
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.760
walks through them. This Godzilla spends most of the film
1004
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.800
running away. And then they said more importantly, so this
1005
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is a quote from shasu Ke Kaneko, who direct He
1006
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.400
was the director who ended up bringing Godzilla back because
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00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.599
of this film. He said that they spend all the
1008
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.000
time running from missiles, and ultimately he's just killed by
1009
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.480
American Air Force missiles, isn't he Americans seem unable to
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00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:37.679
accept a creature that cannot be put down by their arms,
1011
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.559
And I thought that was really interesting because it's true.
1012
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.159
In Japan, Godzilla is an absolute force of He is
1013
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.079
literally a god. That's why he's called Godzilla. It still
1014
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:56.239
means god lizard, and he they have to build an
1015
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:00.679
if to a known unfathomable weapon to kill him. In
1016
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.440
this it feels very much like America being like, yeah,
1017
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.800
we could still take out anything. Yeah, giant fucking lizard thing. Yeah,
1018
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.480
we just drop some bobs on it. It's fine, and
1019
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.440
it just obviously it doesn't change my enjoyment of the
1020
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.320
film at all. But being a pretentious film studies person,
1021
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.079
you kind of watch it going fucking America sucking their
1022
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:21.360
own dick as always.
1023
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.639
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, there's also there's another there's another it
1024
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:26.679
comes into that is Godzilla good or not on what's
1025
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.599
the side of that, because there's a theory of this
1026
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.039
for Drassic Park three as well, where Dress Part three's
1027
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.960
you know it, it's the reason Dress Part three like
1028
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.239
that you feel uncomfortable in Dress Park three compared to
1029
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.519
the first two Jurassic parks is in the first two
1030
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.840
dressing parks, we're the bad guys. Humans shouldn't have done
1031
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.480
this experiment. They shouldn't have put themselves in the situation.
1032
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.639
They shouldn't have let the gates run out. They shouldn't
1033
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.800
put themselves in that situation. And the dinosaurs are just
1034
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.840
doing what dinosaurs do ye And that's kind of the
1035
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.199
problem with in Godzilla, isn't it is? Godzilla's kind of
1036
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.400
just do it. He's just after fish and we're now
1037
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.719
rooting for all these guys with guns. And there's about
1038
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.679
five bits where Godzilla very peacefully walks up to people
1039
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:13.960
and they all go fire, fire, fire, and all the
1040
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.639
Americans just starts shooting him, and you go, I don't
1041
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:18.360
know how I feel about that. But they also don't
1042
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.840
kind of explore how you feel about that. They just
1043
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.360
then go, well, America is what we do. So just
1044
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:25.920
just forget the fact that we're just shooting at an
1045
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.360
innocent creature and that it was quite nice a minute ago.
1046
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.360
We're now trying to kill it. Everyone get behind that.
1047
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.159
They even try and shift the black because this is
1048
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.320
why the French character exists, So don't work. John Reno
1049
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:36.920
is great in the film. I'm glad he's in it.
1050
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.159
Just quickly, are they French? Because of French Polynesia? Is
1051
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:41.079
that the only link?
1052
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.639
So he's got that line, haven't they with it? Just
1053
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.880
like when sometimes it means protecting my country from itself
1054
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.480
and when we've made a mistake we correct it and
1055
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.480
you're like, no, no, no, America is the only one
1056
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.079
who dropped the new that thing. The tests in French
1057
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:58.119
Polynesia were done by the Americans. But you've clearly the
1058
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.159
studio execkers sat there and go on, well we can't
1059
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.079
do this, and has forced them to change it and
1060
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:05.039
blame it on the French.
1061
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.840
Basically what it is. American shitty executive has gone, we
1062
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.760
should make a good Zilla movie because that will make bank.
1063
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:11.480
But we have to be the good guys.
1064
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.440
Yes, reference French Polynesia, but let's put the French as
1065
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.920
the reason for the nuclear test, not ourselves, because it's
1066
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.039
French Polynesia. And then once we've done that, let's not
1067
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.880
reference the fact that the only nukes ever dropped were
1068
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.039
by us, and the fact that Godzilla is a brand
1069
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:27.239
has been about.
1070
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.599
This is the thing. They've done that because America did
1071
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.360
test loads of nukes as well. In fact, there's a
1072
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.360
horrifying video online. I don't know if you want to
1073
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.039
look it up. I don't know what you'd even search
1074
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.800
to find it, but it's a timeline of nuclear explosions
1075
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.039
on the planet, which is none for thousands of years,
1076
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:44.960
and then all of a sudden nineteen forty five, it's
1077
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.880
it's like and America's dropped something like a thousand testing them.
1078
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.440
All those tests were done in like Bikini Atoll and
1079
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:53.719
stuff like that, which is.
1080
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.119
SpongeBob SquarePants is, yeah.
1081
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.440
But they're all islands off of America. This film moves
1082
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.639
it to French Polynesia so they can be like, just
1083
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:06.199
just sidestep that blame and all the horrible things we did.
1084
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.559
You realize that the American the American nuclear tests are
1085
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.239
the reason that John Wayne died.
1086
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.039
Yeah, because of Genghis Khan.
1087
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.440
Yeah, so he did a film where he played Genghis Khan,
1088
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.320
which is terrible casting joyce, but there you go, literally
1089
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:21.920
in yellow face and yellow face and my name is
1090
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.480
Zemma Gin. You're like, no, you're not. But he did
1091
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.519
that film and where they filmed they were told it
1092
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:31.599
was safe, but it was an old nuclear testing like desert,
1093
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.719
and it wasn't safe. It was still radioactive. So everyone
1094
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.960
who worked on that film died of cancer within twenty years.
1095
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:39.280
Wow.
1096
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:42.599
Yeah, that's the American thing ever a killing John Wayne
1097
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:43.440
with americanism.
1098
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.079
Yeah, beat He beat cancer twice and then it eventually
1099
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.800
took him I think the third time. Even one of
1100
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.559
his last films is The Shootist, is about him as
1101
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.239
a count like a dying cowboy dying of cancer, which
1102
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.239
I thought was a brave film for John Wayne. I'm
1103
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.000
not the biggest John Wayne fan, but I thought that
1104
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.719
was a brave choice of a movie. But yeah, at
1105
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.039
the same time, your own nuclear test killed John Wayne,
1106
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.320
who is literally like the default American.
1107
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:08.960
Yeah.
1108
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.599
I have one last problem with this film I forgot
1109
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.320
to bring up, and it's only a teeny tiny little
1110
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.840
thing but did he piss anyone off? When Godzilla starts
1111
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.039
walking on the rooftops of the buildings, yeah, because he's
1112
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.159
too heavy. I was sat watching it, going, you're telling
1113
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:28.440
me a fucking giant lizard can crawl on it. It
1114
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:29.360
doesn't fall down.
1115
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.519
I think the main thing is just his tail whipping
1116
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.199
was like felling buildings. Yeah, and yet he can stand
1117
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:35.840
on them.
1118
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:37.840
Yeah, asked me if I care?
1119
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.440
Do you care?
1120
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:39.039
No?
1121
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:42.639
When he climbs up the crys of the building and
1122
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.119
he goes ah and then the bottle of lightning goes
1123
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.360
behind him is one of my favorites.
1124
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:49.800
I didn't mind up the chryslet. It's the bit when
1125
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.559
the hell it's the fact I had. I had a
1126
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.199
statue of him on the Crysis building and it was
1127
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.159
a money box and you put money in and every
1128
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:02.079
time you put money in, it went. Yeah. The bit
1129
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.320
I didn't like is when he's remember when all the
1130
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.760
helicopters are chasing him and he's like, there's some good
1131
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.400
shots there to be fear where he's like weaving. I'm
1132
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:11.880
not quite sure a dinosaur that size would be that agile,
1133
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.239
but whatever, he's weaving in and out of all the
1134
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:15.880
streets but then there's a bit where he just goes
1135
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.840
up to some buildings and like steps up them. Yeah,
1136
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.639
along the top it was a bit like I was
1137
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.199
like those built the CGI is bad and those buildings
1138
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.880
would collapse under his weight. But like you said, it's
1139
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.079
a silly film, just embrace it. I don't really have
1140
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.159
anything else to say about Godzilla. Anyone else got anything
1141
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:34.320
to say about Godzilla before we.
1142
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:38.119
Wrap up, only that it was fantastic.
1143
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.920
And enjoyed it. Still enjoyed it on a second viewing.
1144
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:44.000
Yeah, well more than a second viewy.
1145
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.519
You know what I mean watching it as an adult.
1146
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:46.800
That's a big boy.
1147
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:48.599
Any last thoughts for Rory before we wrap up?
1148
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:51.320
No, I thought it was an enjoyable film, would recommend
1149
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:52.719
if you want to turn your brain off, but I
1150
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.559
think it misses its own opportunities quite a lot. But
1151
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.440
it's fun enough.
1152
00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:00.119
Okay, Well, thank you everyone that was Godzilla from nine
1153
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.760
ninety eight. This episode should be coming out around the
1154
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.039
time of the new release of Godzilla x Kong The
1155
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.519
New Empire. Let us know if you've seen that film
1156
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.320
and what you thought about it, because I'm actually probably
1157
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.760
not gonna go see it because I've kind of fallen
1158
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:16.880
out with all these movies. Emailers at info dot Imparlor
1159
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:18.679
Films at gmail dot com. Or if you've seen the
1160
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.519
original nineteen the original, or if you've seen the nineteen
1161
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.719
ninety eight Godzilla, which is not the original, it's the
1162
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.320
first American one, let us know what you've thought about that.
1163
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.239
Do you agree with Harry? Do you think it does
1164
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.199
not deserve the hate it gets. Let us know and
1165
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we will see you next time on Second Take Cinema