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Support for the following podcast is provided
by the user experience specialists at Johns and
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00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:14.720
Taylor. More information follows this episode
What if you could improve your mental health
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00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:20.239
by answering just one question. I'm
Joe Taylor Junior. This is Search and
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00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:30.559
Replace. Like many people working in
the technology sector, entrepreneur Karen Andreas Stephen
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00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:36.240
found herself caught up in hustle culture. We all get very busy in young
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00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.560
gears, and we have all so
much to live for, and we've run
7
00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:44.320
and we don't even know why.
Right happened to me too. I'm a
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00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:50.439
very passionate person. I love working, but the downside of not really having
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00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:57.039
a plan and just going all in
is that you risk burning out. The
10
00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:03.560
more exciting my career and my purpose
that was pursuing became the more self care
11
00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:11.120
and work life balance and even reflection
about what what I was doing was taking
12
00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.200
a backseat. You know, you
say this time, I'm going to be
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00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.239
very mindful, and then you skip
your weekend, and then you start not
14
00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:27.079
going to gatherings because work goes first, right, And this sort of blindly
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falling into the same trap every time
was really not only frustrating for me,
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00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:38.560
but also I kept seeing it in
everyone else in my teams, in even
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00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.239
relatives and people I really cared for, and I was like, why are
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we doing this to us? To
help answer that question, Karen started looking
19
00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.359
for data points she could measure,
and she quickly realized that most people,
20
00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.040
especially Americans, don't even try to
assess their mental wellness until they're in crisis.
21
00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.840
We basically wait until we're ill or
until something falls apart, and then
22
00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.680
we stop and say, okay,
now what went wrong? Right? And
23
00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.879
we keep doing that and it's not
good. You wouldn't do that if you
24
00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.159
knew that you have a certain condition
that you have to keep a track of,
25
00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.919
let's say diabetes or whatever. But
when it comes to mental health,
26
00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.319
we're all like, ah, yeah, it's just gonna work out, you
27
00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:25.240
know, And it doesn't. And
I realized when it comes to mental health,
28
00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.919
stress, anxiety, and all that
we don't have an objective method to
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00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:35.960
measure, but we also don't have
a continuous one. I co founded your
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00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.039
Kick with a very smart guide,
doctor her Rebe, and we set out
31
00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:46.199
to solve two problems. First,
build an AI that can measure your mental
32
00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.280
health, your stress levels, anxiety, et cetera. And your emotional life
33
00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.199
in real time, so that you
can always see where you're at and you
34
00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:00.080
feel like you have agency, you're
in control. Karen's teams started developing a
35
00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.759
tool that helped its users measure their
moods and overall mental state, but some
36
00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.960
new technology allows them to go even
further, and then we built what is
37
00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.599
nowadays better known as gener DVII,
basically an AI that can answer, that
38
00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:22.159
can validate, that can give you
actionable suggestions, something that is that a
39
00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.560
book or heavy science, but something
that you can do right away. So
40
00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.159
this morning, for example, I
said, oh, I'm going to have
41
00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:31.960
this podcast. I'm a bit nervous, you know, it's a bit excited.
42
00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:36.360
I hope I slept enough, et
cetera. So I kept chatting away,
43
00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.199
and it then analyzes what I said, how I said it, and
44
00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.759
then it prefills automatically my journal,
so I will find not only what I
45
00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:52.240
said, but also everything that DAI
detected. And all that work has also
46
00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.360
led Karen to some new realizations about
what it means to lead a technology team
47
00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:02.080
with a mission statement that prioritizes mental
walks. You can't be working your team
48
00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.560
to the bone. You have to
be a role model, and the good
49
00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:10.599
thing is because you're aware of that, you also read the benefits. You
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00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:15.240
can't be a mental health tech company
and put mental health last. That's just
51
00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.560
not going to work. It has
made me a more reflective person, someone
52
00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.759
who treasures the moment more than the
past or the future. You are more
53
00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:31.360
productive, You are way better in
negotiations and in all the critical strategies of
54
00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.079
business and of startups. When you
put mental health and self care first,
55
00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:40.959
you will last longer. You may
not be the loudest in the room,
56
00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:46.240
but you will still be shot in
a wake and grateful for your life and
57
00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.800
enjoying the ride when everyone else is
breed out. Karen's got some advice that
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00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:56.600
might sound counterintuitive to many of her
Silicon Valley neighbors. Try small steps.
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00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.360
Hold yourself accountable, be nice to
yoursel, take time for good things that
60
00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:06.360
bring you joy, and then slowly
be Surely you will get into the habit
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00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:12.879
of putting yourself your health, your
mental and physical health, before some craze,
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00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.639
before some fustler dream. You are
the owner of your life. It
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00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.319
may not be the perfect life,
but you are the owner and you can
64
00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:27.560
make decisions. You can have agency. Start building and start being the change
65
00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.000
that you want to see in the
world, and you will have the same
66
00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.399
as I. You wake up in
the morning and you know why, and
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00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:38.639
you get something back, maybe not
right away, but it will come back
68
00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:44.360
ten thousandfold. That's Karen Andreas Stephan, co founder of the wellness app Earkick,
69
00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.199
in our show notes for this episode. Mental health advocates agree that AI
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00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:55.360
models shouldn't take the place of trained
therapists, but they also recognize that many
71
00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.560
Americans might not have a better option
to turn to CBS News, whose chief
72
00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.800
medical correspondent, doctor John Lapouk spoke
to research psychologist Alison Darcy about the reasons
73
00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:12.319
we might try an AI therapy chatbot. Access, cost and getting past the
74
00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.680
perceived stigma of seeing a therapist are
high on that list. Plus, Stanford
75
00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:23.480
professor and author bj Fogg recently launched
a free five day program that follows the
76
00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.600
research he published in his book Tiny
Habits. Every Monday morning, participants can
77
00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:33.560
start a five day cycle of replacing
bad habits with new supportive routines with guidance
78
00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:38.639
from a human coach. We've got
those links and more in our show notes
79
00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:46.160
and on our website at Search and
Replace dot Show Search and Replace was produced
80
00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:51.040
by Nicole Hubbard, with support from
Connie Evans, Amelia Lohman, April Smith,
81
00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:57.199
and Podcast Taxi executive producer Lori Taylor. Our theme music was composed by
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00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:06.519
Alex Rufeier. I'm Joe Taylor Jr. This has been a Podcast Taxi radio
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00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:15.199
production support for Surge and Replaces provided
by Johnson Taylor User Experience specialists serving media
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00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.839
and technology companies that want their websites
to work. Learn more about how top
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00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:28.759
performing businesses eliminate barriers between customers and
their goals at www dot Make the website
86
00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.800
work for me dot com
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Support for the following podcast is provided
by the user experience specialists at Johns and
2
00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:14.720
Taylor. More information follows this episode
What if you could improve your mental health
3
00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:20.239
by answering just one question. I'm
Joe Taylor Junior. This is Search and
4
00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:30.559
Replace. Like many people working in
the technology sector, entrepreneur Karen Andreas Stephen
5
00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:36.240
found herself caught up in hustle culture. We all get very busy in young
6
00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.560
gears, and we have all so
much to live for, and we've run
7
00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:44.320
and we don't even know why.
Right happened to me too. I'm a
8
00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:50.439
very passionate person. I love working, but the downside of not really having
9
00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:57.039
a plan and just going all in
is that you risk burning out. The
10
00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:03.560
more exciting my career and my purpose
that was pursuing became the more self care
11
00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:11.120
and work life balance and even reflection
about what what I was doing was taking
12
00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.200
a backseat. You know, you
say this time, I'm going to be
13
00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.239
very mindful, and then you skip
your weekend, and then you start not
14
00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:27.079
going to gatherings because work goes first, right, And this sort of blindly
15
00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:33.000
falling into the same trap every time
was really not only frustrating for me,
16
00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:38.560
but also I kept seeing it in
everyone else in my teams, in even
17
00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.239
relatives and people I really cared for, and I was like, why are
18
00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.959
we doing this to us? To
help answer that question, Karen started looking
19
00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.359
for data points she could measure,
and she quickly realized that most people,
20
00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.040
especially Americans, don't even try to
assess their mental wellness until they're in crisis.
21
00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.840
We basically wait until we're ill or
until something falls apart, and then
22
00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.680
we stop and say, okay,
now what went wrong? Right? And
23
00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.879
we keep doing that and it's not
good. You wouldn't do that if you
24
00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.159
knew that you have a certain condition
that you have to keep a track of,
25
00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.919
let's say diabetes or whatever. But
when it comes to mental health,
26
00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.319
we're all like, ah, yeah, it's just gonna work out, you
27
00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:25.240
know, And it doesn't. And
I realized when it comes to mental health,
28
00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.919
stress, anxiety, and all that
we don't have an objective method to
29
00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:35.960
measure, but we also don't have
a continuous one. I co founded your
30
00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.039
Kick with a very smart guide,
doctor her Rebe, and we set out
31
00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:46.199
to solve two problems. First,
build an AI that can measure your mental
32
00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.280
health, your stress levels, anxiety, et cetera. And your emotional life
33
00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.199
in real time, so that you
can always see where you're at and you
34
00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:00.080
feel like you have agency, you're
in control. Karen's teams started developing a
35
00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.759
tool that helped its users measure their
moods and overall mental state, but some
36
00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.960
new technology allows them to go even
further, and then we built what is
37
00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.599
nowadays better known as gener DVII,
basically an AI that can answer, that
38
00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:22.159
can validate, that can give you
actionable suggestions, something that is that a
39
00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.560
book or heavy science, but something
that you can do right away. So
40
00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.159
this morning, for example, I
said, oh, I'm going to have
41
00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:31.960
this podcast. I'm a bit nervous, you know, it's a bit excited.
42
00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:36.360
I hope I slept enough, et
cetera. So I kept chatting away,
43
00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.199
and it then analyzes what I said, how I said it, and
44
00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.759
then it prefills automatically my journal,
so I will find not only what I
45
00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:52.240
said, but also everything that DAI
detected. And all that work has also
46
00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.360
led Karen to some new realizations about
what it means to lead a technology team
47
00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:02.080
with a mission statement that prioritizes mental
walks. You can't be working your team
48
00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.560
to the bone. You have to
be a role model, and the good
49
00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:10.599
thing is because you're aware of that, you also read the benefits. You
50
00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:15.240
can't be a mental health tech company
and put mental health last. That's just
51
00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.560
not going to work. It has
made me a more reflective person, someone
52
00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.759
who treasures the moment more than the
past or the future. You are more
53
00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:31.360
productive, You are way better in
negotiations and in all the critical strategies of
54
00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.079
business and of startups. When you
put mental health and self care first,
55
00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:40.959
you will last longer. You may
not be the loudest in the room,
56
00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:46.240
but you will still be shot in
a wake and grateful for your life and
57
00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.800
enjoying the ride when everyone else is
breed out. Karen's got some advice that
58
00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:56.600
might sound counterintuitive to many of her
Silicon Valley neighbors. Try small steps.
59
00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.360
Hold yourself accountable, be nice to
yoursel, take time for good things that
60
00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:06.360
bring you joy, and then slowly
be Surely you will get into the habit
61
00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:12.879
of putting yourself your health, your
mental and physical health, before some craze,
62
00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.639
before some fustler dream. You are
the owner of your life. It
63
00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.319
may not be the perfect life,
but you are the owner and you can
64
00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:27.560
make decisions. You can have agency. Start building and start being the change
65
00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.000
that you want to see in the
world, and you will have the same
66
00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.399
as I. You wake up in
the morning and you know why, and
67
00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:38.639
you get something back, maybe not
right away, but it will come back
68
00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:44.360
ten thousandfold. That's Karen Andreas Stephan, co founder of the wellness app Earkick,
69
00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.199
in our show notes for this episode. Mental health advocates agree that AI
70
00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:55.360
models shouldn't take the place of trained
therapists, but they also recognize that many
71
00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.560
Americans might not have a better option
to turn to CBS News, whose chief
72
00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.800
medical correspondent, doctor John Lapouk spoke
to research psychologist Alison Darcy about the reasons
73
00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:12.319
we might try an AI therapy chatbot. Access, cost and getting past the
74
00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.680
perceived stigma of seeing a therapist are
high on that list. Plus, Stanford
75
00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:23.480
professor and author bj Fogg recently launched
a free five day program that follows the
76
00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.600
research he published in his book Tiny
Habits. Every Monday morning, participants can
77
00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:33.560
start a five day cycle of replacing
bad habits with new supportive routines with guidance
78
00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:38.639
from a human coach. We've got
those links and more in our show notes
79
00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:46.160
and on our website at Search and
Replace dot Show Search and Replace was produced
80
00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:51.040
by Nicole Hubbard, with support from
Connie Evans, Amelia Lohman, April Smith,
81
00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:57.199
and Podcast Taxi executive producer Lori Taylor. Our theme music was composed by
82
00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:06.519
Alex Rufeier. I'm Joe Taylor Jr. This has been a Podcast Taxi radio
83
00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:15.199
production support for Surge and Replaces provided
by Johnson Taylor User Experience specialists serving media
84
00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.839
and technology companies that want their websites
to work. Learn more about how top
85
00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:28.759
performing businesses eliminate barriers between customers and
their goals at www dot Make the website
86
00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.800
work for me dot com
