ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Evan opens episode 102 by discussing co-parenting logistics around summer camp during divorce, then introduces the episode’s focus on sleep and relationships with guest Dr. Wendy Troxel, a sleep scientist and clinical psychologist. On the docket, Evan argues most “blindside divorces” reflect long-standing issues, and he frames “pickleball divorce” as a relationship problem, not a sport problem. In overrated/underrated, Evan calls expert witnesses and early prenup discussions underrated, and labels the Stanley Cup and Costco parking lots overrated. Troxel explains sleep is a social behavior, addresses stigma around sleeping separately, outlines the bidirectional cycle between sleep loss and relationship conflict, and recommends communication strategies and a nightly phone-free ritual (high-low-compliment). She notes divorce can disrupt sleep architecture, prioritizing sleep regularity and support, and criticizes the term “sleep divorce,” citing data that 31% of couples sleep apart occasionally.
Topics
00:49 Summer Camp Co-Parenting
03:46 Sleep Episode Setup
04:55 Docket Blindside Divorce
07:17 Docket Pickleball Drama
10:43 Overrated Underrated Begins
10:59 Expert Witnesses Matter
12:51 Prenups Early Talk
14:19 Sports And Costco Rants
18:49 Sponsor Break
20:40 Interview Dr Wendy Troxel
23:12 Social Sleep And Stigma
25:24 Sleep and Relationship Health
26:22 Sleep Communication Loop
28:34 Therapy and Sleeping Apart
31:23 Stigma and Sleep History
34:33 Dating and Chronotypes
37:28 How to Talk About Sleep
39:03 Divorce and Sleep Recovery
42:11 Sleep Divorce Explained
44:58 Gender Differences in Sleep
47:49 Kids and Family Sleep Habits
49:54 Nightly Ritual for Connection
52:28 They Said It Quotes Game
58:18 Infant Sleep Side Topic
01:00:10 Final Wrap and Thanks
