Conversation with Juan Pachanga Matos: Self Expression, Finding Your Own Style, Depression, Artist vs Dancer

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First, I wanted to build the timeline and learn more about you,
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how you got into dancing and all of those things.
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So you were born in Dominican Republic, right?
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I was born in the Dominican Republic.
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OK.
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And then you grew up there?
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No.
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No?
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Yeah.
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I moved to New York when I was 15.
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OK.
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But half of my family was living in New York already.
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Got you.
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So I used to go to New York for summer, Christmas,
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and stuff like that.
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I was going back and forth to New York.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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And then so you were exposed to music and to dancing
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since early age then, right?
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In the Dominican Republic?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And that's how you got started?
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No, no, no.
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You know, there, of course, the dancing in the streets.
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And then my grandparents and my whole family and the parties
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used to always play music.
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You know what I mean?
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But it's introduced to this line dancing on tour,
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whatever we're going to call it.
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It was when I moved to New York.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Not over there.
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But I just got the flavor.
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Yes.
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Yes, yes.
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So then you moved in New York when you were 15?
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15, 16 around there, yeah.
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And then you started to take classes there?
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No.
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I started taking classes when I was around 19.
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OK.
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You know what I mean?
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It's when I was introduced to taking classes,
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not to the salsa world.
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OK.
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So different things.
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Gotcha.
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OK.
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I got introduced to the salsa world after,
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because I didn't know that existed.
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But I started and then make it quick.
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I went to a club.
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It was a girl there.
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She was dancing.
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You know what I mean?
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I said, oh my god, whatever.
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She said, you could come and join my class.
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I went to her class.
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And then is when I saw what we used to call it back in the
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days, day one, two, three.
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Because you know, back in the days, first of all, salsa
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classes.
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When she told me I said salsa classes, I was like, ha!
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Well, you are cooked.
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What type of salsa you do?
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I know how to catch up in my names together,
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because that's the salsa that I know.
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So to us in the Dominican Republic,
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taking salsa classes back then was like, OK.
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Cooking class.
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Yeah.
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So then I got introduced to what I saw, what that was.
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I was like, all right.
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You know what I mean?
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I got interested in it.
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And then I started taking classes for that.
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So what have you seen exactly?
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When you say salsa world, what have you witnessed?
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What I witnessed was the first time it was my first show ever.
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Because I just knew my instructors.
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But she was Bictico Pacheco and Osmar Perones back then.
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And I saw them dancing that way.
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I didn't know it was a whole world that danced that way.
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So the first time that I went to a party
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that I was supposed to perform for the first time,
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I didn't know that world existed.
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So I came in through that door, and even the bartender
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was dancing.
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I was like, oh my god, where am I?
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You know?
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My pants got dirty.
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I got scared.
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So I seen all those dancers, and it was a Mambo showdown.
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Then a Mambo showdown, it was people all around the world.
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It was like a tiny Congress.
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So you got people for China, for people for Japan,
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people from Italy, Russians.
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You know what I mean?
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I never, I was like, oh my god.
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You know what I mean?
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You didn't expect that.
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I didn't expect that.
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We thought we was going to do a little club in the Bronx.
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Full of Dominicans.
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That's what I thought.
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I'm like, oh yeah, whatever.
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I got this.
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Oh, no, bro.
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It was all the opposite.
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It was like a push reality check.
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This is what you're going to be getting into.
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I'm like, oh my god.
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It was beautiful.
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From there, I was like, I belong here.
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So it was a beautiful experience.
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It was like the third of four show.
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And it was like the, it was Osmo Perones, a student team.
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So back then, you know what I mean, the dancing is not
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in the high level, but it is not.
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But we did a great job.
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And then from there, you know, I started falling more
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and falling more in love with that, you know, with salsa.
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That type of salsa.
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How long did it take you from the moment
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you started taking classes until your first performance?
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Like two months, two months?
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Oh, so you picked it up super quick.
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Yeah, I picked it up super quick.
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So wait somehow, you know what I mean?
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But I remember when I started learning the routine,
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the guy that he was teaching it to me, he was like, OK, here.
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One, two, three.
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I was like, don't want to tell him.
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Tell me what I need to do.
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You know?
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And it's a part of the story in between.
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All right.
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I started taking classes.
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OK?
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Then I got injured.
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I stopped taking.
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But when I started taking classes,
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I started hanging out with the dancers.
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Right.
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OK?
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But we used to go to the clubs, the Dominican clubs.
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Then I got injured.
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So I stopped.
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Then I came back again, same story.
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It was like a circle.
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No, yeah, yeah.
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It was like I did yabu.
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I met another girl in the same club.
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But this girl told me half a group.
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So when I went, you know, it was Osmar's student group.
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And that is when I learned the routine.
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You know what I mean?
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It was all like, if you learn this routine,
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you're going to perform it.
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And it was at 99.
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And then I performed it like thinking
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it was January or February of 2000.
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You know what I mean?
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And I learned it.
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I was like, don't want to tell him me.
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Don't want to tell him me.
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Tell me what I need to do.
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Then I was just feeling the music.
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And I think I always have that ear, you know,
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and that feeling for the music, you know?
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And then from there is when I started, you know,
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using the numbers to get myself better or to clean it up.
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But it was more by ear that I learned the whole show.
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So you learned choreography based on music,
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not the numbers most of the time?
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Not the numbers most of the time.
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But then it was things, you know what I mean?
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That I needed to do it by the number,
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because it's such a routine.
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It's a show.
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You know what I mean?
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But then me learning that routine,
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I started learning the count.
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How to count.
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Now music.
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How to count.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Remember, something is feeling the music,
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something is knowing about music.
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Right.
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So I learned how to break down music when I came,
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when I went and I started training with San Tocrico,
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with Thomas Guerrero.
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There is when I started learning how to break down music
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and the counts and the different types of counts
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and stuff like that.
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You know what I mean?
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How to, where to start.
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If the music was changing timing,
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how to know, how to know, stuff like that.
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That feeling of music that you mentioned,
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what do you think it coming from?
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Did you place a musical instruments?
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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You know what, when I was small,
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when I was like four, five years old,
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my grandfather after dinner,
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he used to sit down in the porch of the house,
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play music, but he was playing boleros.
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It was a radio station.
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They used to play at that time.
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It was a program in that radio station
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called 100 canciones y un millón de recuerdos.
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There's a hundred songs and a million recuerdos.
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Now, memories.
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So it was all these old boleros.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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I didn't want to be there.
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Of course, I was like five, six years old.
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I wanted to go play or watch TV.
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But I think and then like I listen to those songs now
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and I could remember them.
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So that feeling of the music
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and then listen to so many different type of music.
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I developed that ear and that feeling for the music.
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If you see my, I prefer romantic music,
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romantic songs, no matter what.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Of course, for the shows,
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you need to use something more to impact.
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But when it comes for me to dance myself,
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to feel it, it needs to be romantic.
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So,
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because I was even raised by listening to that type.
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Correct.
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I mean, in the,
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in the, or the 80s, 90s, early 2000s,
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all of my,
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listening, being with my father,
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with my family,
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we used to always play that type of salsa.
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When it comes to salsa,
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we used to, I always have listened to,
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to a lot of different type of music.
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People think that the, the, the Salceros,
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most of the Salceros, they just listen to salsa.
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Salsa in my personal life is the music
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that I listen to the most, the less.
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You know what I mean?
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I listen to boleros.
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Whoever knows, we didn't know what I'm talking about.
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I listen to boleros, I listen to a lot of ranchera music,
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a lot of music, music from Mexico,
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a lot of R&B.
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You know what I mean?
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I'm a hip hop head.
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All hip hop, not any hip hop.
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The all hip hop.
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You know what I mean?
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And I think all of that,
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I think it has developed that,
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that, that ear for music.
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Because sometimes I listen to things in the songs
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that people be like, I can't hear it.
275
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Like, you don't hear that?
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You don't hear that little ting, ting,
277
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under the drum that is under the conga.
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They don't know if it's a glass that fell,
279
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but I could hear it.
280
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Yeah, but hopefully in God, I got, I got that.
281
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Yeah.
282
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And my daughters, they got that too.
283
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I don't know how, but they do.
284
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Like, quickly, I don't know what you're talking about.
285
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They hear stuff that I don't hear,
286
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but they more hip hop.
287
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So you did your first performance.
288
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Yeah.
289
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You said around 19, right?
290
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Yeah, let's say 19, 20.
291
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And then what happened from there?
292
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You still trained with the same group or?
293
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What happened from there was that group broke that,
294
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I was at the student group, they pulled me,
295
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cause like I told you, my beginning story is long.
296
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So let's make it short.
297
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Yeah, condensate.
298
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Condensate, yeah.
299
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So from the student group, they put me
300
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to the professional group,
301
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and then that professional group broke up,
302
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and then I passed to be part of Santo Rico.
303
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And that is where my career started.
304
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You know what I mean?
305
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Yeah, yeah.
306
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So I was in Santo Rico,
307
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and then from Santo Rico is that like,
308
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I learned how to break down music.
309
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I learned how to choreograph, you know,
310
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and thanks to Thomas Guerrero,
311
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and also my parents, they was there as well.
312
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They gave me the opportunity,
313
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and I learned it and from there my career started up.
314
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What, what, how would you sum up your career?
315
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If you had to use a sentence or a few words,
316
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how was it for you being in the dance world?
317
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Fun.
318
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Ha ha ha.
319
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The interview is over.
320
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Ha ha ha.
321
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I came in to have fun.
322
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I did have fun, and I'm continuing to have fun.
323
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Simple.
324
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When you started with Santo Rico,
325
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how many years did you train with them, do you know?
326
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Give or take?
327
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Two?
328
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Two years?
329
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Okay.
330
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Two, two, two, two, three.
331
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It's, listen to me, is that,
332
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I was lucky and I was blessed,
333
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because I came in when the industry was growing up.
334
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What I mean?
335
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When the international congresses started to grow up.
336
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No, when Salsa was still beautiful, you know what I mean?
337
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There was not that many competition.
338
00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:54,020
The competition was like, they doing good,
339
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we need to do good too.
340
00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:57,940
Now we need to do better.
341
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My sense?
342
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All right?
343
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And remember, back in the, remember,
344
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probably back in the days,
345
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it was two or three congresses per year.
346
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So you needed to work for a year
347
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to get ready for the next congress.
348
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It's not like now, you need to get ready for the congress,
349
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starting on Monday,
350
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because then you have another congress on Tuesday.
351
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Me sense?
352
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Yeah.
353
00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:22,660
So it was more fun, it was more lovable.
354
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People were just.
355
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Meant more.
356
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Yes, yes.
357
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From what I'm seeing now, you know what I mean?
358
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And it was fun.
359
00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:35,780
It was, I was in there for the fun.
360
00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:36,940
I was not in there for the money.
361
00:12:36,940 --> 00:12:38,860
I was not in there for the fame.
362
00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:43,860
I never thought that I was gonna get
363
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to what I'm at right now.
364
00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:47,420
I never worked for it.
365
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You know what I mean?
366
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I was blessed.
367
00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:51,500
So I was just having fun.
368
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And I think my fun and my aura
369
00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:55,420
show to the people,
370
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then that why they love me so much
371
00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:59,020
and respect me so much.
372
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You take classes with me.
373
00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:00,980
I did.
374
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You have to take classes with me.
375
00:13:01,820 --> 00:13:03,460
So I have to be always like that.
376
00:13:03,460 --> 00:13:04,300
Yeah.
377
00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:05,140
You know what I mean?
378
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Yes.
379
00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:07,460
And I wanted to ask you about that
380
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because you have very,
381
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I would say unique energy.
382
00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:12,460
Yeah.
383
00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:14,940
And you know, people I think can feel that energy from you.
384
00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:15,780
Yes.
385
00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:18,580
Is it something that always been there
386
00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:19,980
or did you develop it?
387
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It's, I believe, is that I think
388
00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:25,780
it has always been there.
389
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You know what I mean?
390
00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:28,780
Because the first thing I need to have fun.
391
00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:31,420
I need to be comfortable.
392
00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:33,540
You know, because it's not,
393
00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:36,940
sometimes it's not the step that I could teach you.
394
00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:38,100
You know what I mean?
395
00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:41,220
It's for you to feel comfortable with it.
396
00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:42,500
For you to have a good experience,
397
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to have fun, to relax.
398
00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:47,940
Because it's, so you could develop it in another way
399
00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:49,500
and think about it in another way.
400
00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:51,100
Because I know in more in Congress,
401
00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:52,580
because in Congress, in one hour,
402
00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:56,580
you're gonna learn 3% of what you're gonna see.
403
00:13:56,580 --> 00:13:57,420
You know what I mean?
404
00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:59,060
Because everything passed so fast.
405
00:13:59,060 --> 00:14:00,980
It needs so many people there that you don't,
406
00:14:00,980 --> 00:14:02,980
you could grab and then you're taking classes
407
00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:06,260
from so many people at the same time that you-
408
00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:07,100
Don't retain.
409
00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:08,100
Don't retain that much.
410
00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:09,780
Then you'll probably take the video and take it home,
411
00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:11,540
but it's not the same.
412
00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:15,140
So what I like to do is people to have fun, to relax,
413
00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:17,940
enjoy, I try to make jokes, I try to make, you know?
414
00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,860
And then sometimes people, they always see me like,
415
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,820
what am I doing?
416
00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:26,940
Like, I know I'm ugly, but it's not that bad.
417
00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:28,380
I'm not gonna bite nobody.
418
00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:31,700
So, you know what I mean?
419
00:14:33,580 --> 00:14:36,540
Like, okay, and then you know, to relax and have fun.
420
00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:40,140
And people, they go out of my class
421
00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:41,380
with a great experience.
422
00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,940
I respect everybody how the way they wanna teach
423
00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:45,900
and how their mentality is some dancing.
424
00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:48,100
They want to be soldiers.
425
00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:51,100
No, no, no, no.
426
00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,140
My class is you come to have fun.
427
00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:55,660
And I try, if you see, I try to play music.
428
00:14:58,420 --> 00:14:59,820
Even sometimes the music, the people know,
429
00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:01,700
so they can sing and play.
430
00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:02,980
So, you know what I mean?
431
00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:04,460
So yeah, that's who I am.
432
00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:09,060
It's more my personality than the character.
433
00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:11,380
Mm-hmm, got it?
434
00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:12,420
It's a natural thing.
435
00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:13,260
It's a natural thing.
436
00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:14,100
Right.
437
00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:16,020
What things did not come natural in dancing?
438
00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:18,980
You said counts were something that you didn't get
439
00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:21,300
right away or were there anything else,
440
00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:23,500
any other things that really challenged you?
441
00:15:26,020 --> 00:15:29,060
No, not indeed.
442
00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:33,980
Not that they come to my mind right now.
443
00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:34,820
No.
444
00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:40,100
Probably, probably, you're not a hundred dollar bill
445
00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:42,500
that everybody is going to like you.
446
00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:43,340
It make sense?
447
00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:44,620
Mm-hmm, right, right.
448
00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:45,460
Probably that.
449
00:15:45,460 --> 00:15:47,700
I was trying probably sometimes to be too nice
450
00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:48,980
because I don't like controversy.
451
00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:50,780
I don't have no enemies.
452
00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:51,620
Right.
453
00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:53,060
But I mean, it's probably that
454
00:15:53,060 --> 00:15:55,380
because then it was always that
455
00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:57,780
with some certain people,
456
00:15:57,780 --> 00:15:59,180
but those people that go like this
457
00:15:59,180 --> 00:16:01,660
is the ones that they wanted it to get up to the top
458
00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:03,780
or they wanted it to be somebody.
459
00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:05,300
You know what I mean?
460
00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:06,780
Like, okay.
461
00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:09,540
But that was when the hypocrites,
462
00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:12,020
they started to show up.
463
00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,700
It was a little difficult for me to handle it
464
00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:17,940
because I have a great heart and have a big heart.
465
00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:19,500
So I give love to everybody.
466
00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,340
You know what I mean?
467
00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:23,780
Not, I could count with this hand
468
00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:26,260
and it's gonna be too many fingers
469
00:16:26,260 --> 00:16:28,820
to tell you probably the bad experience that I had.
470
00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:29,660
Right.
471
00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:30,500
You know what I mean?
472
00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:32,380
But yeah, probably that little thing
473
00:16:32,380 --> 00:16:33,900
with certain people,
474
00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:36,340
probably they think they are more than you
475
00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:38,700
or when they are really not.
476
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:39,660
Or better than you.
477
00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:40,740
Exactly.
478
00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,340
But sometimes those type of people is because
479
00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:44,100
they, they, they, they, they, they,
480
00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:45,340
something is missing in their life.
481
00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:46,820
So it's missing in their heart.
482
00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:48,860
Or they don't know how to,
483
00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:51,540
they don't know how fame is not for everybody.
484
00:16:53,020 --> 00:16:54,580
Fame is not for everybody.
485
00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:56,460
They don't know how to control it.
486
00:16:56,460 --> 00:16:57,300
You know what I mean?
487
00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,260
And then when they see somebody at their level
488
00:16:59,260 --> 00:17:01,020
with the same fame,
489
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,220
they try to, you know, to avoid you
490
00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:06,100
or they try to like you're not in my level.
491
00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:07,820
Come on man, it's dancing.
492
00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:08,660
Yeah.
493
00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:10,940
When I get, when I get a Grammy,
494
00:17:10,940 --> 00:17:13,980
well Oscar for the best step in the world.
495
00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:15,940
Here the Oscar goes to Juan Mantos
496
00:17:15,940 --> 00:17:18,300
for the best step of the year.
497
00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,220
Then I get more humble.
498
00:17:21,860 --> 00:17:23,740
You got my, you got my point right?
499
00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:25,820
Come on man, it's dancing.
500
00:17:25,820 --> 00:17:26,660
It's fun.
501
00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:28,220
Sasa's supposed to be fun.
502
00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:30,500
Well, and every artist will express themselves
503
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,740
the way that they want to express themselves, right?
504
00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:35,460
Yes, of course, and we respect that.
505
00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:38,500
And it's not only through steps, but through personality.
506
00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,340
And personality, and not only respect that.
507
00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:42,900
Then so if somebody is trying to tell you how to be,
508
00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,380
they take away part of your soul in a way.
509
00:17:46,380 --> 00:17:47,220
Exactly.
510
00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:49,100
And they try in the beginning.
511
00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,900
They try, you need to be and act in a certain way.
512
00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:55,860
Cause now you're getting a certain type of attention.
513
00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:57,220
Now you're getting to get known.
514
00:17:57,220 --> 00:18:00,700
So you need to, all the opposite.
515
00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:01,540
Like, oh yeah?
516
00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:03,620
Right.
517
00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:05,140
No, come on man.
518
00:18:05,140 --> 00:18:06,460
I mean, I respect everybody.
519
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:08,020
Everybody got their own way to be.
520
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:09,900
Everybody got their own mentality.
521
00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,620
Everybody said they were differently.
522
00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:13,700
That's why they have different colors.
523
00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:14,540
You know what I mean?
524
00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:15,580
So people, I like black.
525
00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:16,420
You like white.
526
00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:17,260
You like red.
527
00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:18,100
You know what I mean?
528
00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:22,060
So that's that best in the world doesn't exist.
529
00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,420
So, so actually a question about that.
530
00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:28,260
When people were trying to, in the beginning,
531
00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:29,100
like you said,
532
00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:32,380
trying to stir you a certain way and tell you how to be,
533
00:18:32,380 --> 00:18:35,900
did that pertain only to dancing or to business world?
534
00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:36,740
As well, like.
535
00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,340
The thing is, yeah.
536
00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:43,740
Cause I was like the party guy.
537
00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:46,060
And then I was out there, you know what I mean?
538
00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:46,900
And,
539
00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:51,180
in different, yeah.
540
00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:53,300
Like in many different ways.
541
00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:54,140
Yeah.
542
00:18:54,140 --> 00:18:58,540
Like don't take so many pictures with people.
543
00:18:59,780 --> 00:19:03,300
I like, in that, so in that what we're worth for.
544
00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,780
Right, right.
545
00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:05,780
You know what I mean?
546
00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:08,580
Don't, don't, don't, don't,
547
00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:13,860
don't be too, too, too honest.
548
00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:15,100
Don't be too humble.
549
00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,140
You need to a little bit, I like,
550
00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:19,420
it's in certain things you have to.
551
00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:21,100
Some people don't step on you,
552
00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:24,380
but you need to know how to do it with elegance.
553
00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:25,220
Got me sense?
554
00:19:25,220 --> 00:19:26,060
Yeah.
555
00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:27,780
To be elegant and know how to do it.
556
00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:30,540
Not to be like, come on, what is that?
557
00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:33,260
All right, but I have respect for whoever does it.
558
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:35,460
If it works for you and you're not stepping
559
00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:36,820
in nobody's business,
560
00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:43,100
but then when you start talking trash
561
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:47,140
about all the dancers to put yourself up as a dancer,
562
00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:48,220
you lose my respect.
563
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:49,060
What do you mean?
564
00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:49,900
You know what I mean?
565
00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:50,740
Yeah.
566
00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:52,740
When you start saying, oh, what are they doing this
567
00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:53,860
or what are they doing that way,
568
00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:55,500
the way that I do it is the best way.
569
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:56,700
No, no, no, no, no.
570
00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:58,220
Well, that's what I said earlier.
571
00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:59,860
That's what we got different colors.
572
00:19:59,860 --> 00:20:02,060
So you could choose which ones you like.
573
00:20:02,060 --> 00:20:04,340
But then when you have to talk trash
574
00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:09,340
to down people to make yourself look better,
575
00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:11,820
you lose my respect.
576
00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:14,020
Do you feel like it still exists today?
577
00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:15,340
Yes, it does.
578
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:16,660
Yes, it does.
579
00:20:16,660 --> 00:20:18,980
Yes, it does.
580
00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:19,980
Yes, it does.
581
00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:22,980
And you know what is the problem now?
582
00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:24,500
That before they will,
583
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:26,380
it was not this little guy right here.
584
00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:29,220
But now people go back and they see
585
00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:30,820
what had happened in the past.
586
00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:31,660
You know what I mean?
587
00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:32,500
They be like, but wait a minute,
588
00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:34,300
why are these people are saying it's not
589
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,180
what happened a long time ago?
590
00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:43,180
Why now they are trying to talk the things
591
00:20:43,180 --> 00:20:44,940
that are going, that are passing now,
592
00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:47,220
trying to trash it down
593
00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:49,940
when it was not like that 20, 10 years ago.
594
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:50,780
It makes sense?
595
00:20:51,740 --> 00:20:55,780
But it's, because this, everything develops.
596
00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:56,620
You know what I mean?
597
00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:57,700
Everything, we grow.
598
00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:01,620
But if you don't go with that,
599
00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:03,320
you know what I mean?
600
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,780
You're gonna stay behind.
601
00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:05,620
It makes sense?
602
00:21:05,620 --> 00:21:06,460
Yeah.
603
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:08,700
If you don't go to what is going on
604
00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,340
and think that your stuff is the real truth,
605
00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,380
is that you're the creator of everything
606
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:16,700
and whatever they're doing is not right,
607
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,540
but then the whole world is going to that
608
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,420
and then you stay behind, it's your fault.
609
00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:22,260
Yeah.
610
00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:23,260
You need to keep up.
611
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:24,340
Right.
612
00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:25,180
Right.
613
00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:26,020
You have in progress.
614
00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:28,220
You have in progress, you still behind.
615
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,060
Right.
616
00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:29,900
It's not our fault.
617
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,980
So don't talk us down.
618
00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:32,820
Right.
619
00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:34,820
That we have kept this alive for so many years.
620
00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:35,980
Right.
621
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:37,140
All around the world.
622
00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:38,500
So.
623
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,500
You think it's maybe jealousy or ego?
624
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,700
I think it's more ego than jealousy.
625
00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:45,540
I don't think it's jealousy.
626
00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:47,060
It's more ego.
627
00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:47,900
You know what I mean?
628
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:51,220
Probably when you feel left behind,
629
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:52,420
you know what I mean?
630
00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:55,740
Other, your stuff is not cool anymore
631
00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:57,660
and people are not following anymore.
632
00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:00,060
Your trend died out.
633
00:22:00,060 --> 00:22:00,900
Makes sense?
634
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:01,740
Yeah.
635
00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:03,380
So and then, but we respect it.
636
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:06,660
But then don't try to talk bad about others.
637
00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:07,500
That's not cool.
638
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:08,340
Right.
639
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:09,180
That's not cool.
640
00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:10,020
Right.
641
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:12,300
But like I said, I respect it.
642
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:13,500
I respect everybody.
643
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,580
I respect everybody while they do.
644
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:18,100
If they put a plate of food in their table,
645
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:18,940
you know what I mean?
646
00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:19,940
It's respectable.
647
00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:22,500
But when you start talking trash about the others
648
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,420
to put food in your plate
649
00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:27,100
and you taking food or dirt plate,
650
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,340
then you lose my respect.
651
00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:30,700
And from a lot of us, you lose our respect.
652
00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:33,100
That makes sense.
653
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:33,940
Yeah.
654
00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:36,260
So nickname.
655
00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:40,180
I've heard Juan Pachanga.
656
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:41,860
Let's clear that up.
657
00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:42,700
Yes.
658
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:43,540
All right.
659
00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:47,180
Now, they used to call me like that
660
00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:49,620
even when I was in Dominican Republic.
661
00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:53,420
But it's not because the step of the Pachanga
662
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,260
is cause it's a song.
663
00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:58,620
Oh yeah, me Juan Pachanga, Olvidala.
664
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:00,940
So it was like a Eurolegend song
665
00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:02,660
and then everybody in Dominican Republic
666
00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:03,700
have like nicknames.
667
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:04,540
Okay.
668
00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:05,700
I mean they used to call me like that.
669
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:07,700
My uncle started calling me like Juan Pachanga.
670
00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:10,460
But I had that from before even that I was a dancer.
671
00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:14,260
So it just happens to be part of it.
672
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,780
And remember Pachanga in a lot of countries
673
00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:20,540
in America means a big party.
674
00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:21,620
Not a step.
675
00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:23,060
Okay, okay.
676
00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:26,820
Like I told you, let's go have a big party today.
677
00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:27,660
Okay.
678
00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:28,500
You know what I mean?
679
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:33,500
So it was more cause I'm the life of my family.
680
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:35,420
So that's like I'm always,
681
00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:36,260
let's go, alright.
682
00:23:36,260 --> 00:23:38,700
So I was always like that even in the dancing scene.
683
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:42,540
So cause that is what I got that nickname.
684
00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:44,220
Not cause the Pachanga step.
685
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:45,060
You know what I mean?
686
00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:46,540
Right, right, right.
687
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:47,740
Not that I would kill that up.
688
00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:49,540
Yeah, that makes sense.
689
00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:51,140
But also the other meaning for Pachanga
690
00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:53,180
obviously style of music, right?
691
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:55,180
Or how would you define it otherwise?
692
00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:56,940
So the other definition of it?
693
00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:59,580
Well, if you take it out of the Pachanga
694
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:01,420
and step movement of music,
695
00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:06,420
if I could pronounce it as one or Pachanga style
696
00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:12,980
from one matos, is what I do in my classes.
697
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:15,060
Have fun.
698
00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:17,460
So I take that Pachanga,
699
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:20,380
use it the way we used to use it in America
700
00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:22,260
that is having a good time, let's have some fun.
701
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,100
Right.
702
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:23,940
You know what I mean?
703
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:28,340
And I put it into my style and my style of being
704
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:31,180
and let's have a good time in my classes and in my dancing.
705
00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,300
The steps that you're doing in your classes.
706
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:34,140
Yeah.
707
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:36,620
Did they exist before or did you develop them?
708
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:41,380
I, a lot of them I develop them, a lot of them I learn it.
709
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,260
Do you know what I mean?
710
00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:44,900
Most of it I learn it.
711
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:45,740
You know what I mean?
712
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:46,580
Probably I do it my way.
713
00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:47,420
Right.
714
00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:49,300
But I learn most of them, yes.
715
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,140
Okay.
716
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:50,980
So.
717
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:53,860
Everything that it has to do with Afro and Rumba,
718
00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:55,380
which is on style now,
719
00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:58,180
I've been learning and doing it for a long time.
720
00:24:58,180 --> 00:25:00,540
You know, when I started, I started studying it more.
721
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:05,540
I used to see it and do and try to copy it,
722
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,820
but then it was not the same when I started learning it
723
00:25:07,820 --> 00:25:09,140
from the career Cubans.
724
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:09,980
Right.
725
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:10,820
You know what I mean?
726
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:15,540
And my instructor in that area is Michael Funtz, you know,
727
00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:16,780
which is one of my best friends
728
00:25:16,780 --> 00:25:18,580
and he's the godfather of all my daughter.
729
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:20,820
But I know my limits.
730
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:23,300
You know what I mean?
731
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,140
So what I used to do, I was used to asking the steps
732
00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:28,780
that I know that I could do and ask him how to do.
733
00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:31,580
Like how I do this.
734
00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:32,420
Let me show them.
735
00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:33,540
No, and then he used to tell me the story.
736
00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:36,300
I don't care about the story, why, where it came from.
737
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:38,420
I need to learn how to do that.
738
00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:39,940
And then I used to put it in myself
739
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:41,820
and then add it to my stuff.
740
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:42,660
You know what I mean?
741
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:43,580
Do it my way.
742
00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:45,140
So that, yeah.
743
00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:46,500
Then when it comes to other stuff,
744
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,060
like I used to watch a lot of the,
745
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:51,980
one of my inspiration is Bob Fawcett, the jazz dancer.
746
00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:56,220
Of course, Michael Jackson and stuff like that.
747
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:59,620
But then all of these things,
748
00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:03,380
I learned more from that style of dancing of Bob Fawcett.
749
00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:06,020
Yeah, so.
750
00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:08,020
But a lot of stuff that I learned in,
751
00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:10,020
but you put it in,
752
00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:13,140
always you need to respect where the things come from.
753
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,900
It's not that I woke up one morning and be like,
754
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,860
oh, I created a step.
755
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:20,300
Me knowing that that's an Afro step.
756
00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:22,780
You know what I mean?
757
00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:23,620
Yeah, yeah.
758
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:25,060
Oh, I created, no, no, no, no, no.
759
00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:26,180
I probably do it my way,
760
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:28,860
but you need to respect where that come from.
761
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:29,700
Right.
762
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:30,540
Got it?
763
00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:31,380
Yeah.
764
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:34,500
What was the process of developing your style?
765
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:38,220
Like, do you recall a particular moment in time
766
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:39,980
when you started thinking to yourself,
767
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:42,020
okay, I'm going to move that way?
768
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,100
Or did it kind of all?
769
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,420
I think it just came out.
770
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:52,980
I was not that type of a state in front of a mirror
771
00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:55,780
for our try to create a step.
772
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:56,620
Okay.
773
00:26:56,620 --> 00:26:58,340
Or try to make it look different.
774
00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:00,740
It just came out naturally.
775
00:27:00,740 --> 00:27:01,580
Yeah.
776
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:02,420
You know what I mean?
777
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,100
When I used to probably learn something,
778
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:07,940
you know what I mean?
779
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:09,420
I used to probably, yes, practice it,
780
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,700
but now that I have to make a difference,
781
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:13,820
I can make an impact.
782
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:15,580
No, no, no, no, no, no.
783
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:16,420
Just come out.
784
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:18,940
A lot of things, a lot of my stuff came out
785
00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:20,500
social dancing.
786
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,340
Okay.
787
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:24,020
Social dancing, I was just having fun.
788
00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:27,140
And I used to just come out with stuff
789
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:31,380
because I got very popular in the New York scene
790
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:33,580
in the social dancing.
791
00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:37,020
That's how my name and my way to be as a person
792
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:40,020
got me popular quickly in the New York scene.
793
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:41,580
Because remember, they didn't know who I was.
794
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:42,420
Right.
795
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:43,260
I came new.
796
00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:44,100
Right.
797
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:45,500
So, and then being nice to everybody.
798
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,460
I just wanted to be with everybody.
799
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:50,100
And yeah, yeah.
800
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,500
And I never thought about it.
801
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:55,260
And then choreographing, probably,
802
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,740
you know, feeling the music and I was come out
803
00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:59,420
with something, you know what I mean?
804
00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:00,940
And then, oh, that's cool.
805
00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,060
Let's keep it, you know?
806
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:05,140
And then a lot of my stuff became
807
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:09,020
icon of famous, how you want to call it.
808
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:09,860
Right.
809
00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:12,300
And I'm so, and I remember,
810
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,540
you say like, don't make people copy your stuff
811
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:16,100
or do your stuff.
812
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,020
You need to tell them, like, what?
813
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:19,180
Ain't that, ain't that,
814
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,380
ain't that what we work for?
815
00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:23,540
Like people could do what we do.
816
00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:24,380
Right.
817
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:27,180
That's what we call it because of instructors, no?
818
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:28,220
Yeah.
819
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:29,060
Yeah.
820
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:29,900
So you were okay with it?
821
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:30,740
I love it!
822
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:32,340
I was like, listen.
823
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:35,940
With this way, you look better doing it that way.
824
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:37,900
Come on.
825
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,100
You were there to share the culture.
826
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,100
Yeah, not to keep the culture.
827
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:42,940
Of course, I'll come.
828
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:43,780
I love it.
829
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:44,620
And for free.
830
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:47,940
Yeah, what else?
831
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:50,540
So then your career,
832
00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:52,340
most of your performances,
833
00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:56,820
were you dancing solo or were you dancing with a partner?
834
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:59,220
No, I was with a partner with my group.
835
00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:01,620
It was just an era, you know?
836
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:04,580
That something happened that I performed alone,
837
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:06,500
but it was not for a long time.
838
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,660
It was a few Congresses too.
839
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:11,100
I was, I didn't want, I don't like to perform alone.
840
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,060
I don't like it, I respect who does it.
841
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:17,380
I work with a lot of people, they do solos.
842
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:20,460
They do competitions, but it is,
843
00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:22,020
and I respect those,
844
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,260
I respect everybody that they put their foot
845
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:25,460
in a stage to perform.
846
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:27,300
You know what I mean?
847
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:31,220
Cause all the sacrificing and all,
848
00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:36,220
even to the students, the beginners, beginners, the kids,
849
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:38,580
they deserve respect.
850
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,620
Just to put your foot there and show what you love,
851
00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:44,020
it's a respect.
852
00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:48,820
But when you solo and somebody like me,
853
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,860
I could do whatever I want.
854
00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:51,700
Right.
855
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:52,540
You know what I mean?
856
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,780
Cause you would not know if I messed up
857
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:56,180
or is the right way.
858
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:58,060
Whoever knows me will understand what I'm saying.
859
00:29:58,060 --> 00:29:59,700
Cause every time that I do a show,
860
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:00,540
I do it differently,
861
00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:02,460
cause it's how I feel in the music in that moment.
862
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:03,300
Right.
863
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:04,140
You know what I mean?
864
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:05,140
That's the thing about me.
865
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:06,660
Me and music, we got a connection.
866
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,260
Me and she's, that's my girl and her,
867
00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:09,780
they be with together forever.
868
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,060
Me and her music.
869
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:17,540
So if you could see a show of mine that I did it today,
870
00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:20,260
and you could see a show of mine that I did it two days ago,
871
00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:21,180
and then you're gonna see a show,
872
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:23,180
the same show that I'm gonna do two days after,
873
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:25,020
you're gonna see three different shows.
874
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:26,340
Cause it's how I feel in that moment,
875
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:28,540
what this music is telling me to do.
876
00:30:28,540 --> 00:30:30,860
I will do the same step, but differently.
877
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:31,700
Right.
878
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:32,980
Cause it's how I feel.
879
00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:36,220
So solo, yes.
880
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:39,580
But being alone on stage, oh my God, that's scary.
881
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:41,660
That's so scary cause everybody's looking at you.
882
00:30:41,660 --> 00:30:42,500
Right.
883
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,260
So that's scary.
884
00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:45,340
That's so scary.
885
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:46,860
And I, oh my God.
886
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:48,460
And then I got all my friends.
887
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:50,340
You just saw, we're not gonna mention names,
888
00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:52,780
but you see who I was in the phone with
889
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:55,780
before we started that, they ask me.
890
00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:56,620
Yeah.
891
00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:58,780
And I, yes, cause this is the thing about me.
892
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:04,900
I tell my dancers, my friends,
893
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,340
whoever takes a private with me,
894
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:07,980
whoever I work with in the routine,
895
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:12,980
it's like, I'm gonna tell you what I know you can do.
896
00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:15,780
I'm not gonna tell you what I think you should do.
897
00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:17,820
My sense?
898
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:21,940
Cause I know, I tell them, I need to study you
899
00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:23,180
so I could teach you.
900
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,500
My sense?
901
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,700
So now I know, I cannot do a split,
902
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,460
but I know you can do a split.
903
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:30,300
And you should do it right here.
904
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,140
Bang!
905
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:32,300
I'm not gonna be able to do it.
906
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,140
Right.
907
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:35,700
Cause then you got instructors that they teach
908
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:37,820
to what they will do.
909
00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:39,100
No, in this part of the music,
910
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,900
I'm going to do this, so you should.
911
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,980
No, I think in the part of the music, you can do this.
912
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:44,840
Do it.
913
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,420
No, no, no, go and study with this one
914
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:47,820
and learn how to do that and you're gonna do it there.
915
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:48,860
Cause I know you can do it.
916
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:50,540
That's the way I teach.
917
00:31:50,540 --> 00:31:52,820
That's the way that I mentor.
918
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:56,500
So it's different with me from the others.
919
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,500
So, and that's what I love to do.
920
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:05,940
But when it comes to solos, I have fun with the others.
921
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:08,500
Like you go to the corner and they say hi to the people
922
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,020
in the back and then you come to the front
923
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:14,140
and you suddenly, but if I have to do it, I mean, oh my God.
924
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:15,980
I would have never guessed that you don't like this.
925
00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:18,540
No, no, everybody does the one go something and he kills.
926
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:19,940
All right, no, no, no, no, no.
927
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,100
And I have to do, I'm going to do a solo show soon.
928
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,460
I have to.
929
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:26,300
You know what I mean?
930
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,140
It's gonna be a surprise for everybody.
931
00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:29,340
No, not like this.
932
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:30,180
Huh?
933
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:31,620
No, not yet, not yet, not yet.
934
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:32,860
But it's gonna be something nice.
935
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:34,300
It's gonna be something nice.
936
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:37,900
It's gonna be a lot of me from my last two years
937
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:38,940
in that solo show.
938
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:42,100
Okay, you're gonna be putting some, you know,
939
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,180
announcements on the Instagram one in time?
940
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:45,140
Yeah, of course, of course.
941
00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:48,180
I have to perform it as you might have felt in October.
942
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:49,020
Okay.
943
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,020
In a Congress, in some business,
944
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:52,700
game, no, no, three commercials.
945
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:53,540
Yeah, yeah.
946
00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:54,380
You know what I mean?
947
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:57,820
But yeah, so I have to, the thing is, and this is the thing.
948
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:02,540
And I know, I know, because all my friends
949
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,100
and my family dancers,
950
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,980
when we are alone, we don't create nothing for ourselves.
951
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:13,540
People think they don't know, they call it this.
952
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:15,140
I was sitting in the studio like,
953
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:21,140
when it comes for me to teach others,
954
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,780
oh my God, my head goes like this.
955
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:25,260
I do this, do this, we jump here,
956
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:26,500
blah, blah, blah, pampan.
957
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:29,540
When it comes to me, nothing comes out.
958
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:30,380
Nothing.
959
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:31,500
And I know a lot of them go through that.
960
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:32,780
That's when they come to me.
961
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:33,620
You know what I mean?
962
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:36,860
And I was like, well, what do we need to do here?
963
00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:39,980
We forgot, teach me, we're missing these three bars.
964
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,900
And I'm like, all right, you put here, you go there,
965
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,260
you really pampan, you say, good, all right, bye.
966
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:48,020
Yeah, but that's so much fun and love.
967
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:52,300
You know, it's more, I do it more from the heart,
968
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:54,780
different than anything else, you know what I mean?
969
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:56,660
It's very beautiful.
970
00:33:56,660 --> 00:34:01,660
Between performing social dancing and coaching,
971
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:04,260
do you lean towards one of these?
972
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:10,140
Well, how is my career right now?
973
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:11,860
Because remember, I'm retired.
974
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:16,220
What I mean by retired is that I'm not,
975
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:20,700
this is not my living anymore.
976
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:22,980
It's not that I have to, that I teach every day,
977
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:24,340
that I'm performing every weekend,
978
00:34:24,340 --> 00:34:26,020
that I'm traveling every weekend.
979
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,700
It's not that I'm retired,
980
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:29,140
that I'm not gonna teach no more,
981
00:34:29,140 --> 00:34:30,300
and I'm not gonna perform no more,
982
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,820
but it's not my lifestyle anymore.
983
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:35,700
It became a hobby now.
984
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:40,420
And I have it more from now than I used to have before.
985
00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:41,260
Oh, okay.
986
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:43,300
So, for a lot of reasons.
987
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,580
But see, I have to choose from the three of them,
988
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:50,220
teaching, teaching, not coaching,
989
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:53,380
teaching, like in a Congress or teaching a class,
990
00:34:53,380 --> 00:34:54,220
you know what I mean?
991
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:55,220
Like the classes you have to take with me,
992
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:56,820
or with my brother.
993
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:58,500
So then I'm being in the car after the class,
994
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,380
and I'd be laughing on the same jokes that I make.
995
00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:03,780
So I remember like, ha ha, ouch, by myself.
996
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:05,700
Because actually I'm very spontaneous.
997
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,600
So I don't call where we are,
998
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,700
where we are lives, I don't call where script.
999
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:11,140
I just, in the moment, I just,
1000
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:12,460
I don't even notice that in the moment,
1001
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:14,020
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
1002
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:15,660
And people enjoy it.
1003
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:16,500
You know what I mean?
1004
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,700
And then I've been in the car,
1005
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,420
and remember like, did I just say that?
1006
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:21,660
When I was teaching a class, I must be crazy.
1007
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:22,500
I don't know.
1008
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,340
They just come out of nowhere.
1009
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:25,820
And I always have that thing.
1010
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:27,060
You know what I mean?
1011
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:29,320
Yeah, I remember the joke you used a couple of times
1012
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,660
once at the Orlando Social Congress,
1013
00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:33,740
and then second time I think at the Orlando Social,
1014
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:37,220
you were saying, your girl tonight is gonna ask you,
1015
00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:38,060
what is this?
1016
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:40,300
And you're gonna say, Pachanga, baby.
1017
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,020
Ha ha ha ha ha.
1018
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:43,580
Yes.
1019
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:45,180
Everybody that takes a Pachanga class,
1020
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:49,120
we mean your body movement will change your life, personally.
1021
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,500
That's a good commercial, by the way.
1022
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,460
But that's a girl when they always hit people.
1023
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:56,300
You know what I mean?
1024
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,540
And then the people, you see how people laugh,
1025
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:00,860
and they get it.
1026
00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:03,860
Because it's not an easy movement the way I do it.
1027
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:05,060
It's not easy to get.
1028
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:07,260
But in one hour, you cannot break it down,
1029
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,340
and you will do it perfectly.
1030
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:12,220
But then they get loose, and you know,
1031
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:16,900
that's the way to, things like that to introduce to people.
1032
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,100
So teaching, what it is about teaching
1033
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:19,940
that you love so much?
1034
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:22,900
The fun that I have, and I get to play my music.
1035
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,780
The music that I don't hear in the soshus, understand?
1036
00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:30,700
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1037
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,460
I need to play my music, right?
1038
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:34,780
So that.
1039
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:38,500
Then coaching, and then you will come probably
1040
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,660
the social dancing.
1041
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:42,140
But the social dancing, again, like I said,
1042
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:52,660
I respect everybody, but DJs, I could coach you on that too
1043
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:54,180
if you want me to.
1044
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:56,500
Sorry, all the respect.
1045
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,220
But you cannot put Sonido Bestial at 3 in the morning.
1046
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:08,860
Just leave it like that.
1047
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:16,660
So some technical tips.
1048
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:21,660
If you were talking to someone who never danced Pachanga before,
1049
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,260
like your particular style, how you like to teach.
1050
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:25,660
What would you tell them?
1051
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:27,980
Keep in mind that maybe some people not watching
1052
00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:29,500
but listening over podcast.
1053
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,660
What's some of the cues or tips you would give them?
1054
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:38,620
You know frozen?
1055
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:39,140
Yeah.
1056
00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:39,820
The cartoon?
1057
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:40,260
Yeah.
1058
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:43,460
What is the famous song of the cartoon movie?
1059
00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:46,300
Oh, I don't remember.
1060
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,220
It goes, let it go.
1061
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:50,900
But I think there goes.
1062
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:53,580
Let it snow.
1063
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:54,660
Was it? No, no, no, no, no, no.
1064
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:55,300
Let it go.
1065
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,020
But I put it out.
1066
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:57,060
I don't know anything.
1067
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,540
Let it go.
1068
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,500
Relax, have fun.
1069
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:09,300
Because the thing is that we mind, it's not mind Pachanga.
1070
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:10,540
It's that's the world.
1071
00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:11,540
It's everybody.
1072
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:14,900
You know, that when something becomes part of the culture,
1073
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,140
but it's not even yours no more.
1074
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:16,500
Right.
1075
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:17,180
You know what I mean?
1076
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:17,980
Yeah.
1077
00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:21,820
It's more the movement.
1078
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:23,300
You know?
1079
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:27,700
And that movement, you can add it to different things.
1080
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:31,140
That's what your personal life changes.
1081
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:35,980
So it's just having fun and enjoy not to focus to look good doing it.
1082
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:36,700
Because that's the problem.
1083
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:42,820
People want to look good doing it instead of just flow with it.
1084
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:48,740
So that the tip is relax and let it flow.
1085
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:49,740
Flow, flow.
1086
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:52,340
If you do it, you did it wrong, who cares?
1087
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:54,220
You're trying the next song.
1088
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:55,780
Go home, practice it.
1089
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:57,500
Because there's a lot of people, I know there are a lot of people,
1090
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:04,060
they focus and stuff and they want to perfect not just my whatever Pachanga
1091
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:05,380
and everything else.
1092
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:09,940
Everything in a basic and they practice to perfect it.
1093
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:10,740
You know what I mean?
1094
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:15,140
But if you do it, we're more relaxed.
1095
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:16,620
You don't need to show nothing to nobody.
1096
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:18,940
You need to show to yourself.
1097
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:19,900
You know what I mean?
1098
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:21,100
Simple.
1099
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,380
Flow, flow, let it flow.
1100
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:25,660
So let's do it our let it flow.
1101
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:27,020
Let it flow.
1102
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:30,300
I want to let the new.
1103
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,460
If there's some so so I completely understand it, but there's probably some
1104
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:37,180
people I will put myself in a category two.
1105
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:43,580
Sometimes it would be difficult for me to relax if, for example, I feel as if I
1106
00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:47,980
don't truly grasp the technical component of dance.
1107
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:52,860
Like if if something wrong with the count or if something wrong with my body
1108
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:55,500
movement, something is missing, right?
1109
00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,780
So is there something, you know, technically speaking that you you can
1110
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:01,740
recommend?
1111
00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:06,140
To dancing in general or to that type of of that step?
1112
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:07,420
Well, let's go with that step.
1113
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:11,260
But that's that the thing with that step is we're talking about specifically
1114
00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:11,660
Pachanga.
1115
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:11,900
Yeah.
1116
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:12,380
Okay.
1117
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:12,780
All right.
1118
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:17,660
I think I believe what is how to play with your body weight.
1119
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:21,420
Not a lot of instructors teach how to play with your body weight.
1120
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:22,860
They teach you how to move your shoulder.
1121
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:24,380
Probably.
1122
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:25,260
You know what I mean?
1123
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:26,940
Or how to touch the stars.
1124
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:27,340
Right.
1125
00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:32,140
But how to use your body weight.
1126
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:32,700
You know what I mean?
1127
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,980
I could dance a whole song without and I don't have to use my feet.
1128
00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:38,700
I don't have to step.
1129
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:43,580
So probably using your body weight and how to make it flow.
1130
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:48,460
Because all if you use your body weight, you could move your whole body.
1131
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:49,420
You know what I mean?
1132
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:53,900
And that specific step, that specific Pachanga, if you know how to control
1133
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:57,820
your body weight, you will make it flowless.
1134
00:40:57,820 --> 00:40:58,540
You know what I mean?
1135
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:04,780
Because it's how to when to step when you finish one side, when you finish the other,
1136
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:08,620
how you made it flow and how it comes back, how it goes this way and come back.
1137
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:09,100
You know what I mean?
1138
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:15,020
And using even when you have to take the classes with me, I used to teach people even
1139
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:17,260
the shoulders how to make it involved.
1140
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:23,820
So you could look at one beautiful poetic justice, a silhouette.
1141
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,380
You know what I mean?
1142
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:28,540
That is everything moving at the same time in a beautiful symphony.
1143
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:29,020
Right.
1144
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:29,580
You know what I mean?
1145
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:35,660
So, but it's how to work with your body weight.
1146
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:42,460
And I learned a lot how to work with my body weight with the rumba, with the Cuban rumba.
1147
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:47,740
Because they play a lot, we have to play with the body weight.
1148
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:49,980
Would I have to step in every single number?
1149
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:52,700
And from that, this is the thing.
1150
00:41:52,700 --> 00:42:02,540
From that little technique that I learned, I created a massive dancing style, steps or whatever.
1151
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:09,020
Because if I could do, if you could do that, even in a basic, you could use how to play with
1152
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:09,820
your body weight.
1153
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:10,940
You don't have to step.
1154
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:11,180
Right?
1155
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:12,860
That sense?
1156
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:16,940
You took a smaller concept, but you enlarged it.
1157
00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:17,580
Exactly.
1158
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:19,660
Exactly.
1159
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:21,020
And that's what I try to tell people.
1160
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:22,380
You know what I mean?
1161
00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:26,940
You don't have, you don't, nobody will never dance like me.
1162
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,780
Nobody will never dance like you.
1163
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:32,140
Because you have a heart.
1164
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:33,420
I have a lot of heart.
1165
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,340
I feel it differently the way you feel it.
1166
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:35,820
You know what I mean?
1167
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:37,900
This is what I believed.
1168
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:45,820
I believe in, when it's a sense, it's, it's, it's, it's a me dancing, it's something sentimental.
1169
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:46,940
You know what I mean?
1170
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:54,220
It's how I express how I feeling at that moment where that one, where that song is telling me.
1171
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:54,860
Right.
1172
00:42:54,860 --> 00:42:55,900
You know what I mean?
1173
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:57,580
It's different.
1174
00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:00,220
I think that's what makes me different, a little different from the others.
1175
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:02,940
Well, isn't that what it's supposed to be?
1176
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:03,500
Yes.
1177
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:08,140
But then, then it's how you express it.
1178
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:09,260
Right.
1179
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:10,860
Not a lot of people say I love you.
1180
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:14,300
Make sense?
1181
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:17,260
They don't have probably.
1182
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:21,660
I love you a lot.
1183
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:22,220
No, no, no.
1184
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:22,940
I love you.
1185
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:28,220
So, you know, it's, because probably sometimes what are they going to say?
1186
00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:29,100
What are they going to think?
1187
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,580
Probably is the way that they could, is their level to express themselves.
1188
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:34,380
Right.
1189
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:34,860
Physically.
1190
00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:40,780
Do you think it, part of it is people not comfortable being vulnerable?
1191
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:44,860
Because that, you have to have certain level of vulnerability, meaning you have to put yourself
1192
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:48,140
out there for judgment and to completely open up to the world, right?
1193
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:49,340
Oh, yeah.
1194
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:51,660
Oh, definitely.
1195
00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:58,380
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1196
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:02,860
So, you've had that, so obviously you've connected with music from the beginning.
1197
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:06,060
You always felt comfortable being vulnerable in front of people?
1198
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:06,860
I don't care.
1199
00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:08,860
This is who I am.
1200
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:10,380
You know what I mean?
1201
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:13,500
And I went, I went through a downfall in my career.
1202
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:18,300
You know, I went through hell in my career and in my personal life.
1203
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:19,660
You know what I mean?
1204
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:30,060
And I, that's why I stopped dancing because I felt that I was not loving what I was doing no more.
1205
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:36,700
Because where everything that I was going through and, and I was falling into alcoholism,
1206
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:42,140
which was not at the end because I was drinking beers, course lights.
1207
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:43,820
So imagine that.
1208
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:48,380
I was never a hard drinker or I would never, I had never used drugs.
1209
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:53,260
A lot of people judge without knowing because one side, the other, the other, the other,
1210
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:57,260
they just, it's a chain and at the end it's just asked.
1211
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:59,420
Simple.
1212
00:44:59,420 --> 00:45:02,140
You could ask me instead of judging.
1213
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:04,540
The thing is, is that I was like, you know what?
1214
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:06,380
I need some help, but everything was here.
1215
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:12,860
You know, we have artists that they kill themselves because they go into depression.
1216
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:15,100
You know what I mean?
1217
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:16,460
I went through a deep depression.
1218
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:17,420
Simple.
1219
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:18,460
It was just that.
1220
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:23,340
But I really, I had the, the heart to get out of it.
1221
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:25,100
Not alone.
1222
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:26,700
Not alone.
1223
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:27,180
Okay.
1224
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:35,100
I went and I checked myself into a clinic and they kicked me out of the clinic because I got,
1225
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:39,580
I got cured too quick because when you want something, you know, and you're the,
1226
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:41,820
and I was, I wanted it to be cured.
1227
00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:43,260
I got cured too quick.
1228
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:45,340
I was like, why you even came here?
1229
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:50,460
For the, all I needed to do was just, and here I am today.
1230
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:52,060
I got four years without drinking.
1231
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:53,100
I've been sober for four years.
1232
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:54,380
You know what I mean?
1233
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:56,140
I feel better than ever.
1234
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:57,660
I look better than ever.
1235
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:06,540
But it comes to your question because I was out there.
1236
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:08,060
It would never care.
1237
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,020
You know what I mean?
1238
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:15,180
Whoever knows me, I had never been that aggressive for, don't talk to me.
1239
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:16,780
All the app is said, I'm here.
1240
00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:17,580
People.
1241
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:24,060
So one of my problems sometimes I used to be like, why they treat other artists and
1242
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:25,100
then they treat me differently.
1243
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,660
Those type of artists, you could not go and take a picture with them, but you could come to me
1244
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:32,060
and take a picture and they treat them like,
1245
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:35,660
got it?
1246
00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:37,820
Oh no, we want to find a school.
1247
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:38,620
What is part of us?
1248
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:43,980
But then I have contributed a million times more than that artist that I haven't contributed
1249
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:47,420
that much and all he does is, got it?
1250
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:52,460
And even that it started to hit me in a certain time in my career.
1251
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:55,100
I like, why being so good?
1252
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:56,060
Why be so humble?
1253
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:58,220
Because the other people, they're not humble.
1254
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:02,060
They treat them the greatest of all times, only not.
1255
00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:07,900
But they don't compare to me, first of all, as a person and then as a dancer less.
1256
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:15,260
But then that's like the little devil talking to me and then you have the angel telling you,
1257
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:19,420
you know, like in the cartoons, yeah, but you're not like that.
1258
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:20,300
Why you should care?
1259
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:27,100
Yeah, you should care because you work a lot and you have many things and many stuff
1260
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:28,780
and they don't treat you the same.
1261
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:29,980
Yeah, but who cares?
1262
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:34,300
You know who you are and you know what I mean?
1263
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:34,940
Yeah.
1264
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:38,700
So yeah, there was a lot of other things and then I used to just stay quiet and let it go.
1265
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:41,340
But I stayed quiet and let it go.
1266
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:45,340
What would make God mean to us in it?
1267
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,980
To appoint in my life that I felt like, you know, there's a lot of people go through that.
1268
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,700
A lot of people go through that.
1269
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,860
That's why I'm the reason I need to stop and take a break.
1270
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:56,140
You know what I mean?
1271
00:47:56,140 --> 00:48:04,140
Because I used to drink to go to sleep and not think about my problems.
1272
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:06,780
Got it?
1273
00:48:07,340 --> 00:48:11,500
Because for me, sometimes I used to stay quiet and not to offend people because I know the power
1274
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:11,980
that I have.
1275
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:15,100
That's what I told in the beginning of the interview.
1276
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,940
I could say something that might offend some people.
1277
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:18,380
You know what I mean?
1278
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:21,740
Because that's the thing that has always been truthful.
1279
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:28,380
Now I never have scared or took the truth or took whatever I feel like or what I think it should be
1280
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:31,260
or tell you who the things the way supposed to be.
1281
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:35,660
And sometimes people they avoid me because they don't want, people they don't like to listen.
1282
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:36,460
They hear the truth.
1283
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:38,380
You know what I mean?
1284
00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:39,340
They love, they lie.
1285
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:46,700
But then at the same time, you got us other people that they could see you walking on waters
1286
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:48,140
and they say this because you can swim.
1287
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:50,300
Yeah.
1288
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:50,780
I am.
1289
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:52,300
Got it?
1290
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:53,660
I stole that quote from somebody.
1291
00:48:54,540 --> 00:49:01,260
So, but, and then you're like, but I know who I am.
1292
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,260
And I know what I have, what I have a gift to this scene.
1293
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:11,260
And I know who, who, who, who's in my side, who's not.
1294
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:12,060
I know everything.
1295
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:12,780
Because there's a problem.
1296
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:13,740
That's another thing about me.
1297
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:15,180
I know everything about everybody.
1298
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:18,060
Yeah.
1299
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,220
I will write a book one day.
1300
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:23,980
Trust me, I will write a book one day.
1301
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:25,180
It's not going to be bad.
1302
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:26,060
It's going to be truthful.
1303
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:28,300
I'll get forward to that.
1304
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:28,460
Yeah.
1305
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:29,260
Thank you for sharing.
1306
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:32,300
I know it's, it's a personal stuff, but yeah, that's another thing.
1307
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:32,860
I don't care.
1308
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:37,100
And I think my, and, and, and now that's another thing about me.
1309
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:38,060
I'm helping people.
1310
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:39,900
They're going through situations like that.
1311
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:40,140
Right.
1312
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:40,780
What I mean?
1313
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:41,660
I'll help people.
1314
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:47,100
They even after the pandemic, because dancing was their life and they lost a lot.
1315
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:47,820
Right.
1316
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:50,700
Family, they lost love.
1317
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:52,300
They lost work.
1318
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:53,020
They lost a lot.
1319
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:57,180
And, and, and, and, and, and even in those type of people, I try to help them.
1320
00:49:57,180 --> 00:50:02,620
So even in that, I, I'm giving to them to dancing.
1321
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:03,260
Mm hmm.
1322
00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:03,900
You know what I mean?
1323
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:05,180
Yeah.
1324
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:10,780
So now that they see my story of the people that knew what I went through, they see me now.
1325
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:14,140
Because trust me, this is not what it was five years ago.
1326
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:14,860
Right.
1327
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:16,060
At all.
1328
00:50:16,060 --> 00:50:17,420
Yeah.
1329
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:17,740
You know?
1330
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:19,900
And they be like, how you did it?
1331
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:24,380
I like, come, I tell you.
1332
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:31,260
And you know, with my character and how I am, I made a few comfortable that they open up to me.
1333
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,380
And I was like, and same thing.
1334
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:35,100
Let's dancing.
1335
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,060
I like, I did this.
1336
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:37,900
You should do that.
1337
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:43,740
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think, I think you can do this or go this way or try that way.
1338
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:44,380
Right.
1339
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:44,860
You know what I mean?
1340
00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:45,740
Yeah.
1341
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:46,380
It's the same.
1342
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:50,220
I use the same technique that I use to dancing to teach people, to teach them,
1343
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:53,420
to probably get out for depression or for mental problem.
1344
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:53,900
What I mean?
1345
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,460
Well, they having some issues with the personal life.
1346
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:59,340
And that dude that was with my good friends.
1347
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,860
You know, because they saw what I went through.
1348
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:06,700
And now they see who I became.
1349
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:12,540
And they asked me, somebody asked me the day, will you take anything away from your past?
1350
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:13,100
Not at all.
1351
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:14,300
At all.
1352
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:14,860
At all.
1353
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:17,820
Because my past make me who I am today.
1354
00:51:20,380 --> 00:51:21,740
And I'm a better man today.
1355
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:22,780
I'm a better father.
1356
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:24,380
I'm a better son.
1357
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:25,820
I'm a better brother.
1358
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:27,100
I'm a better dancer.
1359
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:29,340
You know what I mean?
1360
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:31,340
It's powerful, man.
1361
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:39,340
What were some of your memorable or favorite collaborations with other artists over the years?
1362
00:51:39,340 --> 00:51:40,220
All of them.
1363
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:41,340
All of them.
1364
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:47,420
You mean performing wise or maybe they have collaborated with them in a certain thing?
1365
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:47,980
Anything.
1366
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:49,820
I have collaborated with everybody, bro.
1367
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:55,420
Every dancer that you're going through your head right now, if it's, I'm not going to say the news
1368
00:51:55,420 --> 00:52:00,700
schoolers and even a lot of news schoolers that working with, look, we could change somebody's
1369
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,540
life by telling them, instead of turning to the left, turn to the right in that part of the song,
1370
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:05,340
in that part of the show.
1371
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:06,460
And that would change the whole routine.
1372
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:09,740
If that routine is successful, you will change the whole life.
1373
00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:11,980
Just because you tell them to turn to the left instead of the right.
1374
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:13,500
My sense?
1375
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:17,020
So I have done that with almost everybody.
1376
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:22,140
You judge it.
1377
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:22,620
You saw it.
1378
00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:27,100
Something happened before we start the interview that he judge it.
1379
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:27,660
He saw it.
1380
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:29,820
Did it happen?
1381
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:34,060
So everybody, everybody.
1382
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:36,300
And it's not that I'm like that.
1383
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:37,100
I helped this one.
1384
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:37,740
I helped this one.
1385
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:38,220
I helped that one.
1386
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:41,900
I don't have, I don't mention names.
1387
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:43,580
I know and they know it's enough.
1388
00:52:45,580 --> 00:52:49,740
And when you said something happened before the interview, a couple of artists
1389
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:51,980
were face-timing for an advice.
1390
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:52,780
Yeah, for example.
1391
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:53,020
Yeah.
1392
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:53,100
Yeah.
1393
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:53,660
They say that.
1394
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:54,140
Yeah.
1395
00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:57,340
So and I think you said you work with a bunch of.
1396
00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:58,540
Yeah.
1397
00:52:58,540 --> 00:53:03,020
But those two artists, for example, it's part, look, I have a family.
1398
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:04,460
Okay.
1399
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:07,180
Those two is part of my family.
1400
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:07,740
Right.
1401
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:08,540
You know?
1402
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:10,380
And then you got the others.
1403
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:11,180
But yeah.
1404
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:12,540
They're part of my family.
1405
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:14,860
So yeah.
1406
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:18,300
This person is, besides dancing, this person.
1407
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,340
So a lot of things happen in the backstage that people don't see.
1408
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:22,380
Yeah.
1409
00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:23,340
You know what I mean?
1410
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:23,580
So.
1411
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:29,180
But as far as you performing, because now you're working with so many artists.
1412
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:31,020
Me performing?
1413
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:31,260
Yeah.
1414
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:38,060
The thing is that everyone, I have done what?
1415
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:40,380
Adolfo, Michael Fung's.
1416
00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:43,020
And then with my groups.
1417
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:44,540
You know what I mean?
1418
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:49,580
But if we talk about big artists, the most was Adolfo.
1419
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:52,060
They had done three shows, four shows.
1420
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:55,900
And with Michael, I have four shows, two Michael Fung's.
1421
00:53:55,900 --> 00:54:02,300
And then having collaborated performing next to somebody, then my people.
1422
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:03,500
You know, Marco Ferrino.
1423
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,660
Marco Ferrino is mine.
1424
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:11,020
And then all my dancers, like Neri's, you know, or my last group.
1425
00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:12,940
But it's my people.
1426
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:15,740
But then collaborate with somebody, somebody else.
1427
00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:20,380
And Adolfo, of course, is my family too.
1428
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:22,140
I already told you about Michael.
1429
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:22,620
So.
1430
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:28,300
And everyone is a different experience because this is what you learn every time you do something like that.
1431
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:30,540
You know what I mean?
1432
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:32,780
I'm going to give you advice, everybody.
1433
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:33,980
Emotional instructors.
1434
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:35,820
Teach.
1435
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:39,420
So you can learn about yourself.
1436
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:41,820
Think about that.
1437
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:42,860
Okay.
1438
00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:43,900
When you're teaching.
1439
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:45,660
All right.
1440
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:46,700
Teach yourself.
1441
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:50,700
That takes me like a little bit.
1442
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:52,700
That takes me later.
1443
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:56,220
What I mean by that is you're learning.
1444
00:54:56,780 --> 00:55:02,940
And then when you teach somebody, you could learn how you could do it differently.
1445
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:04,940
Of what you're teaching.
1446
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:07,420
Isn't it supposed to be what good teachers do?
1447
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:08,460
It's a two-way street.
1448
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:13,180
So when they teach, they always take mental notes and they always try to learn.
1449
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:17,260
The problem is that there are two focus on making the money and they don't think about that.
1450
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:18,460
You sense?
1451
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:18,860
Yeah.
1452
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:24,700
So for young instructors, for young dancers who are getting into this game and who maybe haven't
1453
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,420
mastered the teaching aspect of it.
1454
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:28,380
Let's put it this way.
1455
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:29,420
Let's put it this way.
1456
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:36,220
For example, if I teach you something and you're an instructor, let's put it in a choreography.
1457
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:42,060
And it's probably you will not get it quickly or like that pattern, go and teach it so you
1458
00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:42,780
could learn it.
1459
00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:44,060
You sense?
1460
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:44,380
Yeah.
1461
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:45,340
And you can learn it.
1462
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,340
Mm-hmm. You sense?
1463
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:48,300
And make it your own.
1464
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:48,800
Right.
1465
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,660
Because when I teach, I like people, more when it comes to choreography, to make it look that
1466
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:55,980
they're their own dad.
1467
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,540
That is coming out from their heart, not from their feet.
1468
00:55:58,540 --> 00:55:59,180
Right.
1469
00:55:59,180 --> 00:55:59,820
You know what I mean?
1470
00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:00,380
Yeah.
1471
00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:05,980
So by you teaching it, right, to others, you're learning it.
1472
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:11,180
How to do it differently and how to, how to, ah, but we're right here.
1473
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,260
How to adjust it.
1474
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:15,740
No.
1475
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:17,900
Represent it.
1476
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:18,540
Express it.
1477
00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:19,660
Express it yourself.
1478
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:23,980
How to express it on your way.
1479
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:24,540
Right.
1480
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:32,140
You know, you know, how to do it, how to, and then do it how you feel it should be.
1481
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:33,580
Your essence has to be present.
1482
00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:34,780
Exactly.
1483
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:35,500
Exactly.
1484
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:35,980
Right.
1485
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:36,220
Right.
1486
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:37,420
Exactly.
1487
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:38,540
I go a lot with the aura.
1488
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:40,380
You know what I mean?
1489
00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:43,420
Even to a test.
1490
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:45,180
So I didn't know who you are.
1491
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:54,220
All the people asked me here from the area to interview, but I don't like the aura.
1492
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:55,820
You know what I mean?
1493
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,780
And then I learned a couple of stuff.
1494
00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:00,300
Like I tell you, I know everything.
1495
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:03,020
And I'm like, better not.
1496
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,260
But as soon as you wrote to me, I was like, yes, right or wrong?
1497
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:07,100
Bro, that's an honor, bro.
1498
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:12,300
I want, I go a lot by the aura of the people and I know how to treat them.
1499
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:15,820
I know to what level to treat them, even when I'm teaching.
1500
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:19,100
I don't know if you, when I teach or start with something, but when I turn around,
1501
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:23,900
as soon as I turn around and I feel from the audience, I know to what level I could take them.
1502
00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:25,580
I just need to feel.
1503
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:27,660
I'm like, all right, let's go.
1504
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,540
But I got that bless too.
1505
00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:37,180
So to certain people, and I think I, without the story that I told you before, because you know,
1506
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:43,660
apart from being such a good person, I have been step on so much and I have developed that.
1507
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:49,100
Not that I'm going to be like, but at the same time, we might elegance.
1508
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,300
I'll be like, it's all right.
1509
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:50,780
Let's start.
1510
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:51,660
Yeah.
1511
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:52,860
You know what I mean?
1512
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:54,060
You're not going to get those views.
1513
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:56,940
But in an elegance way.
1514
00:57:58,780 --> 00:58:00,460
Like somebody else would, no, no, no, not that type.
1515
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:01,020
Yeah.
1516
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:01,580
Not at all.
1517
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:03,820
So, but I felt it.
1518
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:04,700
I'm like, good.
1519
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:06,060
Yeah.
1520
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:10,940
By the way, so I felt that I felt the energy I believe about.
1521
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:12,460
I believe in energy from people.
1522
00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:14,300
That's awesome.
1523
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:22,140
So then my next question is in that same category because some dancers, and I'm referring to my
1524
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:23,900
own dancer, social dancing wise.
1525
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,860
Funny enough, it just happened recently last this week.
1526
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,780
This earlier this week, I've been going to a lot of socials.
1527
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:33,340
Good.
1528
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:40,860
Well, that's why you take classes for, not just like a home or to record yourself in the living
1529
00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:41,020
room.
1530
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:41,340
Right.
1531
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:41,980
Right.
1532
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:45,580
You go to the classes to show what you are learning to practice it.
1533
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:45,820
Yes.
1534
00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:51,500
But so one of the socials actually was a really great dancer.
1535
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:55,820
One of the really good follows, but I just couldn't connect.
1536
00:58:55,820 --> 00:58:59,980
And I think some of that is because I was in my own head, some of that maybe partially song.
1537
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:02,380
But the energy was in there and I didn't even want to watch a video.
1538
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:05,900
My friend recorded a video, but I didn't want to watch a video because I already know.
1539
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:06,220
Okay.
1540
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:09,740
I already know because I felt in the moment that there was no connection.
1541
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:17,580
My question is, do you have any suggestions for new dancers like myself who sometimes
1542
00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:18,860
can get into their own head?
1543
00:59:18,860 --> 00:59:20,540
I know you said relax earlier.
1544
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:21,660
I understand that.
1545
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:26,940
But as far as like dancing with somebody who is clearly superior to you and you sometimes
1546
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:31,420
may be worried and then you end up not connecting and not having that energy.
1547
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:32,780
Look, look, look, look, look.
1548
00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:36,540
Were you counting?
1549
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:39,980
Not, not necessarily.
1550
00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:40,380
That's it.
1551
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:41,980
I already answered your question.
1552
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:44,940
But do you think that that will count?
1553
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:46,860
Count.
1554
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:53,740
When you don't feel comfortable, you know, and more dancing, you don't have to be counting
1555
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:54,620
in their ear.
1556
00:59:54,620 --> 00:59:55,980
One, two, three, five, six.
1557
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:56,140
Right.
1558
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:56,860
In your head.
1559
00:59:56,860 --> 00:59:57,660
One, two, three.
1560
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:00,140
No, I have to, you develop that.
1561
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:03,980
You develop that connection with your soul and the music.
1562
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:04,460
You know what I mean?
1563
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:07,980
That you know when to travel, when you know when to express.
1564
01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:11,260
You said, but you need to develop that, which is not easy.
1565
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:12,620
And I think it is going to be easy.
1566
01:00:14,060 --> 01:00:15,180
We're going to have a hard time.
1567
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:19,260
But that's what the numbers are for.
1568
01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:22,220
And that's why the music is breaking numbers.
1569
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:24,460
Do the math.
1570
01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:25,180
It's algebra.
1571
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:26,060
It's mathematics.
1572
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:27,500
You know what I mean?
1573
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:28,300
Count in your head.
1574
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:29,740
You know what I mean?
1575
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:32,300
And make it, but make it look flawless.
1576
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:33,740
You don't have to be.
1577
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:34,300
All right.
1578
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:36,300
And now crossbody leap.
1579
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:37,340
Now turn.
1580
01:00:39,340 --> 01:00:39,740
Easy.
1581
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:40,300
Easy.
1582
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:45,900
And then if you're going to get to a point, everybody, we all went through that.
1583
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:51,020
I remember, I remember when I started social dancing, that I used to get out of timing.
1584
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:53,020
My instructor used to be like this.
1585
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:57,340
Here, go back on timing.
1586
01:00:57,340 --> 01:00:59,580
This is a give me the watch in front of everybody.
1587
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:07,420
We think of, you know, because I was so, I was so, I mean, I can tell you I was blessed.
1588
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:09,020
You know, and I had my moves.
1589
01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:12,060
Right then, which is not the same as now.
1590
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:14,940
And sometimes I was forgetting about it.
1591
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:22,540
They was like, if you control the counting and what you do, it's going to get to a point
1592
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:24,380
that you're not going to have to count no more.
1593
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:26,380
That's why we count.
1594
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:30,620
And here in America, at least they still got that.
1595
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:33,180
The people in classes, they count in Europe, they don't count.
1596
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:34,380
You need to count for them.
1597
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:38,380
I think we were in San Rico.
1598
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:39,580
That's like, beautiful.
1599
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:40,380
We count here.
1600
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:41,980
Thomas, you're doing a good job.
1601
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:44,380
That's why sometimes they don't count.
1602
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:45,180
Yeah.
1603
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:49,180
You know, but you need to come so all together we look, we hear like a unit and we're all
1604
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:50,380
going in the same path.
1605
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:51,180
Yeah.
1606
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:54,780
But that's my advice.
1607
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:56,940
Probably another instructor will tell you something else.
1608
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:58,220
Somebody will tell you something else.
1609
01:01:58,220 --> 01:01:58,780
You know what I mean?
1610
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:03,660
Oh, but my advice is that at the beginning count because we all went through it.
1611
01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:09,420
Anything that you learn the music and then sometimes it's music that they change timing.
1612
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:12,060
Yeah.
1613
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:12,860
Yeah, they do.
1614
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:14,220
That messed me up yesterday.
1615
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:15,340
You see?
1616
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:16,860
You see?
1617
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:19,020
They, they, they, you get confused.
1618
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:19,580
Oh.
1619
01:02:19,580 --> 01:02:24,540
You'll be, oh my God, you are more lost than when, when, when we went to the Congress
1620
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:26,300
in the hotel that we didn't know where to go.
1621
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,380
Now, you know what I mean?
1622
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:29,580
You're like, yeah.
1623
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:31,580
Oh my God.
1624
01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:31,980
Yeah.
1625
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:32,380
You know?
1626
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:36,380
I'm like, I'm, I'm stepping on five, but I know I'm trying to feel on one.
1627
01:02:36,380 --> 01:02:38,860
But, but, but you know what is the good thing about that?
1628
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:43,180
When you know you are the timing that you started to know.
1629
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:43,980
Right.
1630
01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:48,220
And you started to recognize and listen to the music like, wait a minute, it's something wrong.
1631
01:02:48,220 --> 01:02:48,780
Right.
1632
01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:50,140
That means you started to feel it.
1633
01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:55,020
Because if people, if people, the, the, the music changes, they don't, they keep going.
1634
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:55,180
Right.
1635
01:02:55,180 --> 01:03:00,620
Well, we're talking about people that are training, but remember in Latin America,
1636
01:03:00,620 --> 01:03:02,780
even if they look, they don't count.
1637
01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:04,460
So there is no numbers.
1638
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:04,780
Yeah.
1639
01:03:04,780 --> 01:03:06,620
What I mean by Latin America, what do you say, whatever.
1640
01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:06,940
Okay.
1641
01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:09,020
Us, us, Hispanic, whatever.
1642
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:10,060
I don't want no controversy.
1643
01:03:10,060 --> 01:03:10,380
No.
1644
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:11,340
We here, we count.
1645
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:12,700
They're here with whatever.
1646
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:13,260
You know what I mean?
1647
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:13,820
Right.
1648
01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:14,300
You know what I mean?
1649
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:15,980
That we don't be like one, two, two, okay.
1650
01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:17,660
Now, we start dancing.
1651
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:19,740
We just go with the flow.
1652
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:20,940
You know what I mean?
1653
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:21,340
Yeah.
1654
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:22,060
We don't follow.
1655
01:03:22,060 --> 01:03:24,380
Well, a lot of people do, a lot of people don't.
1656
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:27,340
And the music changes a million times and they continue.
1657
01:03:27,340 --> 01:03:38,620
And they don't care if the music changes.
1658
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:39,260
Right.
1659
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:40,380
Have a good time.
1660
01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:40,940
Yeah.
1661
01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:46,780
So, but if you started to feel that like, okay, it's something wrong, that's a good sign.
1662
01:03:46,780 --> 01:03:48,380
Yeah.
1663
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:52,940
Because I was not listening to nothing when I was such a dance in New York.
1664
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:55,260
And then my source was like, it's for everybody.
1665
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:57,420
Like, get back on timing.
1666
01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:58,220
It's a good watch.
1667
01:03:58,220 --> 01:03:58,940
Hmm.
1668
01:03:58,940 --> 01:03:59,500
Here.
1669
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:00,700
From everybody.
1670
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:02,300
Oh, I got out of timing.
1671
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:02,620
Okay.
1672
01:04:02,620 --> 01:04:03,500
I need to learn more.
1673
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:04,060
I need to study.
1674
01:04:04,060 --> 01:04:05,180
Ha ha ha.
1675
01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:06,380
Yeah.
1676
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:07,260
It was beautiful.
1677
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:08,380
But that's a good sign though.
1678
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:11,740
So, one other thing.
1679
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:15,500
I know you talked about feeling the music.
1680
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:17,260
Obviously, you talked about counting.
1681
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:24,940
But any observations that you've made maybe recently about, you know, what mistakes
1682
01:04:24,940 --> 01:04:28,300
new leads making and what mistakes new follows making the most?
1683
01:04:29,020 --> 01:04:29,980
Now, this time.
1684
01:04:29,980 --> 01:04:31,100
Mm hmm.
1685
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:41,020
In general, be more specific.
1686
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:41,820
Social dancing.
1687
01:04:41,820 --> 01:04:46,460
Social dancing, the first mistake is the music.
1688
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:48,700
I'm going to get sorry.
1689
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:49,180
Sorry.
1690
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:53,260
There's not much we can do about that, right?
1691
01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:55,100
That's the problem.
1692
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:55,340
Right.
1693
01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:57,820
That's the problem.
1694
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:04,060
We're going to petition to local DJs.
1695
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:07,660
No, you know, like I said, everybody does whatever they want.
1696
01:05:07,660 --> 01:05:14,700
But then, but then they don't, when you see that the other thing is playing and the social
1697
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:19,980
is packed and then you play and it's empty and then you just get packed again when you play a bachata.
1698
01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:25,100
They go, yo, you know what I'm saying?
1699
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:26,300
But
1700
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:33,260
it's, oh my God, they said, I don't know if I could answer that question.
1701
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:35,740
They said, because there's so many questions that I can answer.
1702
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:40,460
It's like I told you before, is the dancing to me something more,
1703
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:43,660
more than that?
1704
01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:46,700
Just, it has become more than they just have in fact.
1705
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:49,020
Don't I mean?
1706
01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:57,180
But then if you're teaching someone, right, like if a lead comes to you or a follow comes to you
1707
01:05:57,180 --> 01:06:02,860
and they're getting started and based on what you've seen out of people, some common mistakes,
1708
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:03,020
right?
1709
01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:03,500
What would you do?
1710
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:07,260
One common mistake and I teach all my people that and I teach that one.
1711
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:14,140
I teach a partner or class is this is not realable no more when you do a cross body
1712
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:14,300
lead.
1713
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:19,660
You could use a technique is just bending your elbow and this become a rubber benefit.
1714
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:21,900
You dance smaller.
1715
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:28,060
If we talk about, if we talk about technique, right, talking about technique, let's not talk
1716
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:29,420
about feeling because it's the winner.
1717
01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:31,980
Then, you know, right?
1718
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:34,220
So let's talk about technique.
1719
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:34,620
All right.
1720
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:35,260
Yeah.
1721
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:37,260
Another thing is my hand.
1722
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:43,340
I don't put my hand on the down bottom of the lady.
1723
01:06:43,340 --> 01:06:43,580
Right.
1724
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:51,100
Guys, we know I put it on the top or her back so I could control her more.
1725
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:52,060
That's another technique.
1726
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:52,540
I use that.
1727
01:06:52,540 --> 01:06:53,660
I learned that from tango.
1728
01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:56,540
Tango people, they grab right here.
1729
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:57,420
Okay.
1730
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:58,300
So they can move.
1731
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:00,860
I could dance to a whole song what I use in this hand.
1732
01:07:00,860 --> 01:07:01,180
Okay.
1733
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:03,260
And probably have to pull to give a cross body.
1734
01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:04,060
Right.
1735
01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:04,700
You know what I mean?
1736
01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:07,180
You look more elegant instead of down here.
1737
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:07,420
Right.
1738
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:08,700
Up.
1739
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:13,420
So, you know, do a cross body lead, lock your elbow, let them open, let the lady open.
1740
01:07:14,060 --> 01:07:18,380
You know, men's lead all the time, but you need to take care of that lady.
1741
01:07:18,380 --> 01:07:23,020
Make her look beautiful, make her look comfortable, make her feel protected,
1742
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:24,780
make her feel that she's going to have a good time.
1743
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:27,500
Let her do her lady styling because they pay a lot for lady styling too.
1744
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:32,780
Look for lady styling for hair and nails.
1745
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:37,660
You know, but that does the little techniques.
1746
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:43,340
I see everybody just pulling and, but like I said, it does make you happy.
1747
01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:45,260
There's nothing I can do about it.
1748
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:47,580
Like I said, whatever makes you happy.
1749
01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:50,220
You do good.
1750
01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:51,660
We go good to me.
1751
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:58,620
But when it comes to stuff like that, like I don't pay, I pay attention,
1752
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:00,460
but I'm not an instructor anymore.
1753
01:08:00,460 --> 01:08:02,060
Like that's another thing.
1754
01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:07,100
I have never been that everyday instructor.
1755
01:08:09,020 --> 01:08:12,060
That's why when I moved I left in Europe for 20 years.
1756
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:14,300
I never opened up a school out there.
1757
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:15,500
You know what I mean?
1758
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:21,180
Because I was not that I can go every day to teach.
1759
01:08:22,780 --> 01:08:23,340
Now you think?
1760
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:24,780
No, it was not.
1761
01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:26,620
I respect whoever does that.
1762
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:27,740
It's a lot of work.
1763
01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:29,580
It's a lot of work.
1764
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:36,220
And to keep up with everybody and to have, I was probably not organized enough.
1765
01:08:36,940 --> 01:08:37,260
You know what?
1766
01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:40,700
I was thinking more about going to the Congress and my shows need to be whatever.
1767
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:46,860
But and I used to talk bad about it, but not in a bad way.
1768
01:08:46,860 --> 01:08:48,060
Like how could I do that?
1769
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:50,380
I like how can they handle that?
1770
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:52,620
People are crazy every day.
1771
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:55,260
Three or four hours, people are crazy.
1772
01:08:55,260 --> 01:08:56,860
My bad talking was like that.
1773
01:08:58,780 --> 01:08:59,340
You know what I mean?
1774
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:03,820
I like people are crazy.
1775
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:06,540
I would never, I wouldn't be able to be crazy.
1776
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:07,820
You know how much you have to create?
1777
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:09,820
Me.
1778
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:18,540
Because for example, I was at error that my every time I was teaching a class, it needs to be something new.
1779
01:09:19,420 --> 01:09:19,980
Or different.
1780
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:22,060
It needs to come out and create something different.
1781
01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:24,700
That changed through the years.
1782
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:25,180
You know what I mean?
1783
01:09:26,380 --> 01:09:29,580
But even that, I like, I cannot be teaching the same thing I taught the last week.
1784
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:31,980
It needs to come out and do something different.
1785
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:35,180
But then I was thinking, imagine that I have to do that.
1786
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:39,180
Through the week, four times a day.
1787
01:09:41,740 --> 01:09:42,780
I could handle it.
1788
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:43,340
Right.
1789
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:44,140
But I don't.
1790
01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:45,900
But then you know people, they got their patterns.
1791
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:50,860
They got today we're going to teach these and then as we were going to practice what we taught the other day and then like that.
1792
01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:52,380
I was like, oh, oh no.
1793
01:09:53,020 --> 01:09:53,660
I can't.
1794
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:57,340
So I never develop that instruction, no.
1795
01:09:58,940 --> 01:09:59,580
Side of me.
1796
01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:00,380
Right.
1797
01:10:00,380 --> 01:10:03,900
So, but I respect so much for everybody that does it.
1798
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:06,300
Because you know, patience and dedication.
1799
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:11,020
And even if it is a job, you know what I mean?
1800
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:12,540
It's the income.
1801
01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:15,500
So much love and respect for everybody that does that.
1802
01:10:17,420 --> 01:10:18,140
Is there anything else?
1803
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:19,180
Anything else?
1804
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:20,060
No, no, no, continue.
1805
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:21,100
Continue.
1806
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:21,500
I'm ready.
1807
01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:30,300
I was going to ask you if there's anything else, any particular topic that you deem important to discuss.
1808
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:37,820
That you think like some of the observations that you've made within the industry that you think will be important to address.
1809
01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:45,580
Oh, it's so many things, bro.
1810
01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:47,900
But it's.
1811
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:55,580
Most likely say it's like I seen, I seen dance.
1812
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:56,620
I seen the scene.
1813
01:10:57,260 --> 01:10:59,100
Definitely now go something the outside.
1814
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,700
You know what I mean?
1815
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:01,180
Yeah.
1816
01:11:02,620 --> 01:11:08,540
And me knowing so many things that I know and being here for so many years that I've seen so many come and go.
1817
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:13,980
And many stay and many think they still in, but they not.
1818
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,700
And just seeing them from the outside is a different ball game.
1819
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:19,500
You know what I mean?
1820
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:21,420
And.
1821
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:25,420
Now just, well, most likely say.
1822
01:11:25,420 --> 01:11:29,020
I keep respecting everybody.
1823
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:32,860
Or if I could say something to the audience, you know what you mean?
1824
01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:33,740
Of course, of course.
1825
01:11:33,740 --> 01:11:34,060
Um.
1826
01:11:36,220 --> 01:11:38,540
No, I keep respecting everybody.
1827
01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:40,140
I love them the way they are.
1828
01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:40,780
You know what I mean?
1829
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:45,340
Try to be the most respectful you can.
1830
01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:49,660
It's a lot of issues going on in the scene right now.
1831
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:51,020
You know what I mean?
1832
01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:52,140
Ugly stuff.
1833
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:53,500
We're not going to talk about them here.
1834
01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:56,780
Things that have happened in the past, things that are happening now.
1835
01:11:57,340 --> 01:12:04,460
But you know, just try to get out of that if you're seeing something, if you hear something.
1836
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:12,780
When it goes so bad behavior in our scene, you know, because it's not nice.
1837
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:13,500
It's not good at all.
1838
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,860
We have tried to keep it clean for so many years.
1839
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:23,340
And then we got so many characters coming out of nowhere trying to, you know, make it look ugly.
1840
01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:26,860
Even if a lot of people will say you have always been like that.
1841
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:30,220
Yes, probably.
1842
01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:38,860
But it was more probably it used to be stopped before it developed in certain places.
1843
01:12:38,860 --> 01:12:47,500
Besides being in certain places, they just weren't like this, even knowing what was going on.
1844
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:52,060
So try to be safe out there, you know, more for the ladies.
1845
01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:58,140
I don't know.
1846
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:58,700
I don't know what else.
1847
01:12:58,700 --> 01:12:59,820
Can you ask me more questions?
1848
01:12:59,820 --> 01:13:00,300
Yeah, yeah.
1849
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:05,020
How do you feel about Central Florida or SoulSycin developing?
1850
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:10,700
Because right now, obviously, we have, based on what I'm gathering, the information I have,
1851
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:14,300
the number of studios increased in the last few years.
1852
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:17,260
There's some new artists, I think, here.
1853
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:21,580
What do you overall feel for Central Florida SoulSycin?
1854
01:13:23,340 --> 01:13:29,020
To tell the truth, because I don't teach every day and I don't go out.
1855
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:39,180
I go to socials to support when I can, because it's that I have two jobs.
1856
01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:47,660
I hear and I see more because of course the relationship that I have personally
1857
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:49,900
with Tamas Guerrero, which is one of my structures,
1858
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:53,900
and a really close friend, and of course my brother and sister,
1859
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:59,820
Raul and Delia, their family, and I hear them talking and I hear them and they know,
1860
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:03,420
and they asked me for advice, more Delia and Raul, because they knew as well.
1861
01:14:03,980 --> 01:14:09,100
Tamas has a few years here, but Raul and Delia, they just have two, three years here.
1862
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:15,980
They're still learning because it's not the same scene at all.
1863
01:14:15,980 --> 01:14:16,940
Watch is New York.
1864
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:19,100
New York is a different ball game.
1865
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:21,100
What Central Florida is.
1866
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:25,900
How would you describe the difference?
1867
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:26,380
It's different.
1868
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:34,860
Like I told you, I prefer to stop and that's something that probably some people will get offended.
1869
01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:38,380
Well, okay, so I guess like, you know, let's put it that way.
1870
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:39,740
Let's put it this way.
1871
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:42,300
In New York, people are more dedicated.
1872
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:42,940
Let's put it that way.
1873
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:45,100
They're more dedicated.
1874
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:45,740
Fair enough.
1875
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:49,980
And I'm not disrespecting nobody, because probably sometimes they're the check-in most
1876
01:14:49,980 --> 01:14:50,540
serious here.
1877
01:14:50,540 --> 01:14:53,020
Probably they just, like I said, just want to have fun.
1878
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:54,300
Got it?
1879
01:14:54,300 --> 01:15:00,860
So, and then probably the people that they want to make a series, they don't get the
1880
01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:05,100
following that they need to make it serious.
1881
01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:06,540
Got it?
1882
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:07,100
It make sense?
1883
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:07,580
Yeah.
1884
01:15:07,580 --> 01:15:08,140
Yeah.
1885
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:10,140
So that's the difference.
1886
01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:11,100
Yeah.
1887
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:17,900
And then you started saying, so you have, you know, Santorico that's been here for a while
1888
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:22,380
and you have new artists like Raul and Deli that's coming in relatively new.
1889
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:27,820
And overall, how do you feel like all of that is developing and how that looks?
1890
01:15:27,820 --> 01:15:34,140
No, they look, okay, Santorico is already a base school.
1891
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:34,940
You know what I mean?
1892
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:39,020
That it been around for so many years and it's part of history.
1893
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:41,580
It's part of my history.
1894
01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:49,660
Deli and Raul, if they continue the way they are doing, they're going to make really big things.
1895
01:15:49,660 --> 01:15:59,500
And they just, here, not just in Orlando, in Florida, and their path and how they're going.
1896
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:04,700
And then when they keep going that way, they're going to make a lot of big stuff
1897
01:16:05,420 --> 01:16:09,500
here because people are getting more to follow them.
1898
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:14,460
And, you know, and of course, they're family to me.
1899
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:14,940
I love them.
1900
01:16:14,940 --> 01:16:17,420
So that's what I want them to do.
1901
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:20,380
Want them to become the biggest possible they can hear.
1902
01:16:20,380 --> 01:16:20,860
You know what I mean?
1903
01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:24,940
And they got my support 100% and my blessings.
1904
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:29,900
As well as Thomas, of course, but Thomas is already Thomas.
1905
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:38,780
And if they continue the way they do, they're going, yes, yes, it's just climbing up.
1906
01:16:39,980 --> 01:16:47,100
You know, like somebody said, that the top of the mountain is just the beginning of another.
1907
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:48,060
We just keep climbing.
1908
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:53,340
You mentioned you spent 20 years in Europe.
1909
01:16:54,140 --> 01:16:55,340
What it was like living there?
1910
01:16:55,340 --> 01:17:02,300
Great. I know how to do pasta.
1911
01:17:06,940 --> 01:17:11,100
If I calculated the thing is, is that like I told you at the beginning,
1912
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:17,260
I came into the scene, I was blessed because like, you know, when they told you, you was there
1913
01:17:18,140 --> 01:17:24,220
at the wrong time, it was there at the wrong place at the wrong time.
1914
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:26,460
Yeah, I was there at the right time at the right place.
1915
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:30,780
Because it's that I started to get fame or the Congress was growing.
1916
01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:33,260
You know what I mean?
1917
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:36,620
So then when I started my career by myself, the Congress, as they needed that,
1918
01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:40,380
you know, so I started to travel a lot.
1919
01:17:41,420 --> 01:17:46,140
Then to a point that I was more in Italy, that I was in New York.
1920
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:49,740
I remember that I remember something.
1921
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:54,220
Now it's easy because you got this little kid, this little thing right here.
1922
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:58,300
I remember going home to open in my mailbox to see if my flight ticket was there.
1923
01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:02,300
I remember taking tapes.
1924
01:18:03,820 --> 01:18:04,860
That means me old.
1925
01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:05,820
I should not say that.
1926
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:09,260
Taking the tapes to the shows before the series.
1927
01:18:11,740 --> 01:18:12,700
Going to a form booth.
1928
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:19,980
Because I needed they was calling me from the government, I had a call, we had a meeting,
1929
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:23,660
a call from Europe at a certain time and go to a booth in Washington Heights in New York.
1930
01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:29,340
Because you know, the phones call to Europe, imagine calling from the from the house phone.
1931
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:32,940
Y'all have it easy, you dancers.
1932
01:18:34,060 --> 01:18:37,180
You we are email, you make your, you good.
1933
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:39,660
A little video that you post on Instagram, you get famous.
1934
01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:45,820
We had to work a lot to become famous.
1935
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:49,420
Because remember what I said, it was like two or three Congresses a year.
1936
01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:54,540
And this, we're going to finish this, it will probably be up in 20 minutes.
1937
01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:59,580
No, they needed to wait for the DVD to come out and buy it next year.
1938
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:03,100
Because it was no websites, they sell it.
1939
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:08,220
And by the cassette of last year to see the performance.
1940
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:09,660
Bro, you have it easy.
1941
01:19:12,460 --> 01:19:16,780
So the way I got famous, it was like that by mouth, not through little videos on Instagram.
1942
01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:19,980
So I was there at the right time.
1943
01:19:19,980 --> 01:19:23,980
So this promoter was like, look, I saw this or part with the cameras.
1944
01:19:23,980 --> 01:19:28,460
They were with the cameras, but then recording the shows and the social dancing.
1945
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:37,420
So I was like, take it to Europe and see what it's, it's, it's shared to everybody there.
1946
01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:41,580
And that's how I became famous.
1947
01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:46,780
So I was traveling a lot and then to a point and living in New York, you know, to go to a Congress
1948
01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:48,780
to get to Europe, you need to live in a Thursday.
1949
01:19:48,780 --> 01:19:50,780
So you could get, you could get there Friday.
1950
01:19:52,780 --> 01:19:54,380
Then the pre-party is got on style.
1951
01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:56,300
So you need to fly Friday.
1952
01:19:56,300 --> 01:20:03,420
Wednesday, so you could get there Thursday, come back on Monday, destroy, have one day of life
1953
01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:06,860
in New York, which is Tuesday to travel again on Wednesday.
1954
01:20:06,860 --> 01:20:09,580
So I did that like for a year or two.
1955
01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:12,700
That was destroying me.
1956
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:14,940
I was not seeing my family.
1957
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:22,780
I remember I had a main go to my house to make my bag, do my laundry in New York.
1958
01:20:22,780 --> 01:20:23,900
So they didn't have time to that.
1959
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,780
And then I used to stay in Europe a lot for like a whole month.
1960
01:20:26,780 --> 01:20:28,940
And then from that month go to the Congresses.
1961
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:31,820
I was like, you know what, why just don't move here?
1962
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:35,580
The biggest Congresses are here already.
1963
01:20:36,380 --> 01:20:38,780
Here in America, there was not that many Congresses.
1964
01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:39,260
It is now.
1965
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:45,260
There was to like LA, the New York, the Puerto Rico, then the Chicago was getting big
1966
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:46,780
and all those Congresses started to get big.
1967
01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,020
I'm talking about 2002, 2001.
1968
01:20:49,020 --> 01:20:55,820
I mean, 2003, if I'm mistaken, sorry, too many years, too many memories, too many stories.
1969
01:20:57,340 --> 01:20:59,740
And then that's how I moved.
1970
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:05,740
You mentioned Michael Fonds, African-American artist, right?
1971
01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:06,940
I couldn't think of it.
1972
01:21:06,940 --> 01:21:07,740
The best.
1973
01:21:07,740 --> 01:21:08,940
Love him.
1974
01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:10,940
How did you link that with him?
1975
01:21:12,220 --> 01:21:17,820
You know, when you had never passed in your life that you see somebody like that,
1976
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:20,860
as soon as you say hi, you become so much.
1977
01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:21,420
Yeah.
1978
01:21:21,420 --> 01:21:22,940
That's the meaning.
1979
01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:23,660
That's it.
1980
01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:24,700
He heard about me.
1981
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:25,580
I had never heard about him.
1982
01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:28,060
He heard about me in Europe.
1983
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:31,740
We met at an event that it was a week event.
1984
01:21:32,860 --> 01:21:35,740
It was in Italy and the event was a whole week.
1985
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:37,980
That was with Candi Mena.
1986
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:46,380
Candi Mena at that time, for me, still it is one of the best in the world.
1987
01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:50,140
If not the best at that time in the world.
1988
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:57,340
And not because we have a daughter together, but the people that knows,
1989
01:21:57,340 --> 01:22:02,300
they know what I'm talking about, Candi was like the top in that era.
1990
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:06,220
So we took that week, that event that is one week, and as soon as we was like,
1991
01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:08,380
what was your name?
1992
01:22:08,380 --> 01:22:09,100
Microphone.
1993
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,580
That's it.
1994
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:13,500
From that point on, that's it to this day.
1995
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:15,660
Then we passed that week together.
1996
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:16,540
That's it.
1997
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:17,580
We became best friends.
1998
01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:20,620
So because we were the most social alike.
1999
01:22:21,340 --> 01:22:25,740
First of all, as artists, our mind, we were talking about art,
2000
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:28,060
was so much together.
2001
01:22:28,620 --> 01:22:29,740
And we were like, you know what?
2002
01:22:31,340 --> 01:22:32,940
You know when you say something, the sky is blue.
2003
01:22:32,940 --> 01:22:33,420
Yes, it is.
2004
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:36,060
You know what I mean?
2005
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:37,260
Say something stupid about it.
2006
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:41,580
And after that week, that's it, we became best friends.
2007
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:48,940
And that was when I was already moving, I was in the path to move to Europe.
2008
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:52,540
So as soon as I moved, he was in Milan, and I said we were together every day.
2009
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:55,420
And I learned from him a lot.
2010
01:22:55,420 --> 01:22:56,940
He learned from me so much.
2011
01:22:56,940 --> 01:22:57,980
You know what I mean?
2012
01:22:58,940 --> 01:23:00,380
What have you learned from him?
2013
01:23:01,580 --> 01:23:09,420
What it comes to, everything they have to do with the Cuban.
2014
01:23:09,420 --> 01:23:12,540
How to do with the Cuban and the Afro.
2015
01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:13,020
What I mean?
2016
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:13,900
How to express it.
2017
01:23:14,860 --> 01:23:16,860
How to be more in stage.
2018
01:23:16,860 --> 01:23:18,220
How to have more presence.
2019
01:23:18,940 --> 01:23:22,380
Microphones, that type of dancing, he just stands on stage and you need to be like...
2020
01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:25,500
He has the presence.
2021
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:26,380
Exactly.
2022
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:29,020
You know, how to stand in a certain way to have that presence.
2023
01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:30,300
Stuff like that.
2024
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:32,380
How to listen to the music in a certain way.
2025
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:36,300
And the same thing that I learned from him, he learned from me.
2026
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:40,780
But remember, we're learning two different categories of dancing at the same time.
2027
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:45,100
So he's learning how to dance in a line.
2028
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:45,980
You know what I mean?
2029
01:23:45,980 --> 01:23:47,180
How to travel more.
2030
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:48,780
The things that I used to do.
2031
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:53,580
So it was a give me, give thing.
2032
01:23:53,580 --> 01:23:55,900
When it comes dancing.
2033
01:23:55,900 --> 01:23:57,740
But remember that we were friends.
2034
01:23:57,740 --> 01:24:01,900
When me and Michael phones, when we have a conversation, the last thing we talk about is dancing.
2035
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:05,260
Dancing becomes like the fourth or fifth conversation.
2036
01:24:05,260 --> 01:24:07,820
We got a lot of things going on in our lives.
2037
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:10,620
We got a lot of things going on mutually.
2038
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:15,500
Because he's the godfather of my daughter in Italy.
2039
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:19,260
So we got too many family stuff first.
2040
01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:20,220
And then dancing.
2041
01:24:20,220 --> 01:24:21,820
You know, how you do it?
2042
01:24:21,820 --> 01:24:22,620
Everything okay?
2043
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:23,340
It has to work.
2044
01:24:23,340 --> 01:24:25,500
Okay, we talk.
2045
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:30,780
But every time, again, if I need advice from the audience, I have to do it.
2046
01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:37,100
If I need advice from dancing, if I don't know how to do something, how to break it down,
2047
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:39,340
I ask him or vice versa.
2048
01:24:39,340 --> 01:24:40,300
You know what I mean?
2049
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:40,700
Yeah.
2050
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:43,980
So we got a great relationship.
2051
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:45,980
You know, we don't talk every day.
2052
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:53,740
But when you know, when it's love and respect and it's a brotherhood, you don't need to talk every day.
2053
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:54,300
Yeah.
2054
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:55,660
But we follow each other every day.
2055
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:57,660
Oh, come back.
2056
01:24:57,660 --> 01:24:58,140
Hey, come back.
2057
01:24:58,140 --> 01:25:01,900
I don't know how we understand each other.
2058
01:25:01,900 --> 01:25:04,780
Because he's so Cuban and I talk in Dominican.
2059
01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:06,540
And we don't know, but we understand each other.
2060
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:21,740
You mentioned, when you talked about Michael Fonsi, you mentioned his presence on stage as an artist.
2061
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:26,220
What do you think the difference is between a dancer and an artist?
2062
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:28,220
It's a big difference, bro.
2063
01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:34,220
I said earlier, fame is not for everybody.
2064
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:40,220
And it's a head and one thing, one thing is being famous.
2065
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:42,220
Another thing is being an artist.
2066
01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:44,220
It's two different things.
2067
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:48,220
Yeah.
2068
01:25:48,220 --> 01:25:52,220
It is not that many artists in salsa.
2069
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:54,220
It's a lot of famous people.
2070
01:25:54,220 --> 01:25:58,220
It's a lot of talented people, but it's not that many artists.
2071
01:25:58,220 --> 01:26:00,220
What makes one an artist?
2072
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:06,220
First of all, the creation.
2073
01:26:10,220 --> 01:26:12,220
How you carry yourself.
2074
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:20,220
Because being an artist could even make you or even break you as well.
2075
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:26,220
I think a lot of people do this more for the money.
2076
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:28,220
Put it that way.
2077
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:32,220
To get some attention, to get some fame.
2078
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:38,220
You cannot, how can I say?
2079
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:46,220
I would like to say painters names, but people will not.
2080
01:26:46,220 --> 01:26:50,220
Let's say you have Picasso.
2081
01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:52,220
You don't know what the Mona Lisa is looking at.
2082
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:56,220
She's there looking at you, but you go that way, she's still looking.
2083
01:26:56,220 --> 01:26:58,220
That's art.
2084
01:27:00,220 --> 01:27:04,220
I don't know. It's a really big conversation this one.
2085
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:10,220
But you have to live it as well.
2086
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:12,220
Feel it as well.
2087
01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:18,220
So it's not that many artists in the salsa scene.
2088
01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:20,220
To my belief, to what I see.
2089
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:22,220
It's a lot of good dancers.
2090
01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:24,220
It's a lot of famous people.
2091
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:26,220
But it's not that many artists.
2092
01:27:26,220 --> 01:27:30,220
Not everybody could call themselves an artist.
2093
01:27:30,220 --> 01:27:32,220
How can I explain that to you?
2094
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:36,220
If you follow a pattern, you're not an artist, you're following an apartment.
2095
01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:38,220
You're having to create something.
2096
01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:42,220
You probably made it better, it made it look better.
2097
01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:44,220
It's making sense now?
2098
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:48,220
Yes, but if you take steps that exist and make it your own,
2099
01:27:48,220 --> 01:27:50,220
and then create something or not,
2100
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:52,220
that's not going to be the thing.
2101
01:27:52,220 --> 01:27:54,220
That's not going to make a difference.
2102
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:56,220
That's not going to make a difference.
2103
01:27:56,220 --> 01:28:00,220
If you can make it your own, and then create something of your own,
2104
01:28:00,220 --> 01:28:04,220
would you consider that an artistic creation?
2105
01:28:04,220 --> 01:28:08,220
Probably artistic creation, but that doesn't make you an artist.
2106
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:12,220
So you have to express it a certain way,
2107
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:14,220
and you have to put something of your own.
2108
01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:20,220
Is it like I told you, when it comes to that, it's very difficult with me.
2109
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:22,220
It's hard to define.
2110
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:26,220
Because it's that I have seen so many things,
2111
01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:30,220
and I'm talking about in salsa.
2112
01:28:30,220 --> 01:28:36,220
I go out of salsa, I skate, for example.
2113
01:28:36,220 --> 01:28:42,220
Something stupid, but there are people that just focus in salsa.
2114
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:49,220
It's that to me, you need to not prove it,
2115
01:28:49,220 --> 01:28:51,220
because you don't have nothing to prove like I said earlier.
2116
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:55,220
Probably because I have seen so many already,
2117
01:28:55,220 --> 01:29:01,220
and I have created so much,
2118
01:29:01,220 --> 01:29:04,220
and I have helped a lot.
2119
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:10,220
It's really hard for me to be like, wow.
2120
01:29:10,220 --> 01:29:11,220
Right?
2121
01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:14,220
Probably because all of the things that I have gone through,
2122
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:16,220
and all of the things that I have in my head.
2123
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:18,220
I appreciate it, love it.
2124
01:29:18,220 --> 01:29:22,220
But it's not that, like, that is art.
2125
01:29:22,220 --> 01:29:26,220
That's different.
2126
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:30,220
Because, like I said, everybody, everybody, everybody's head is different.
2127
01:29:30,220 --> 01:29:33,220
But to be, how can I explain it to you?
2128
01:29:33,220 --> 01:29:37,220
It is hard to explain, but not, not, not...
2129
01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:41,220
It's the, with how to...
2130
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:42,220
It's...
2131
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:43,220
Ah!
2132
01:29:43,220 --> 01:29:44,220
You know what I mean?
2133
01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:47,220
Because I could see two people doing the same thing,
2134
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:51,220
and I could tell, I could catch something.
2135
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:54,220
I don't want to mention names, because this is not to mention names.
2136
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:55,220
Of course, of course, of course.
2137
01:29:55,220 --> 01:30:01,220
But I could see somebody now and be like, they're going to make it.
2138
01:30:01,220 --> 01:30:03,220
Or, no, sorry.
2139
01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:04,220
They could make it.
2140
01:30:04,220 --> 01:30:06,220
If they keep working on it, you know what I mean?
2141
01:30:06,220 --> 01:30:09,220
And they keep going forward with it, they could make it.
2142
01:30:09,220 --> 01:30:12,220
And I could tell you, who can make it?
2143
01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:14,220
I know that.
2144
01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:16,220
You know what I mean?
2145
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:24,220
And then these days, Sasa has become, even when the shows...
2146
01:30:24,220 --> 01:30:25,220
Robotic.
2147
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:26,220
Not even.
2148
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:31,220
Everything looks the same to me.
2149
01:30:31,220 --> 01:30:33,220
No originality.
2150
01:30:33,220 --> 01:30:37,220
We're getting somewhere, okay?
2151
01:30:37,220 --> 01:30:44,220
So I could see a show, and by the music, and by what I know was supposedly its own style.
2152
01:30:44,220 --> 01:30:46,220
I like, they're going to do rumba right now.
2153
01:30:46,220 --> 01:30:47,220
Look.
2154
01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:49,220
Pam, pam.
2155
01:30:49,220 --> 01:30:53,220
Right now, it's going to be Rai, Faisi, Seven, Pachanga.
2156
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:55,220
Tum, tum.
2157
01:30:55,220 --> 01:30:58,220
Predictable.
2158
01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:00,220
Art not supposed to be predictable.
2159
01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:02,220
Thank you.
2160
01:31:02,220 --> 01:31:06,220
How do you teach that again?
2161
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:07,220
Like, you can't teach that.
2162
01:31:07,220 --> 01:31:08,220
You have to find the...
2163
01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:13,220
You have to find it in your in-a-in-a-view.
2164
01:31:13,220 --> 01:31:14,220
Connection.
2165
01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:15,220
Exactly.
2166
01:31:15,220 --> 01:31:16,220
Exactly.
2167
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:21,220
Yeah, I have another quote that I'll be telling my friends.
2168
01:31:21,220 --> 01:31:24,220
Don't dance to proof of point.
2169
01:31:24,220 --> 01:31:31,220
Dance like you have one.
2170
01:31:31,220 --> 01:31:32,220
I'm making sense now?
2171
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:33,220
Yeah.
2172
01:31:33,220 --> 01:31:34,220
Exactly.
2173
01:31:34,220 --> 01:31:35,220
So...
2174
01:31:35,220 --> 01:31:38,220
Um...
2175
01:31:38,220 --> 01:31:48,220
Is it in a way, in a way it's not to dance to impress, but it's dance because you have something to offer to the world?
2176
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:51,220
Exactly, yes.
2177
01:31:51,220 --> 01:31:52,220
Yes.
2178
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:54,220
And you want to share this with the world?
2179
01:31:54,220 --> 01:31:55,220
Exactly.
2180
01:31:55,220 --> 01:31:59,220
But in order to share it with the world, you have to really truly connect with it?
2181
01:31:59,220 --> 01:32:00,220
Exactly.
2182
01:32:00,220 --> 01:32:01,220
Exactly.
2183
01:32:01,220 --> 01:32:03,220
Exactly.
2184
01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:06,220
It's hard to get to that place.
2185
01:32:06,220 --> 01:32:21,220
I'm telling you, but the thing is that, like I told you, it's probably because I've seen so much and I have gone through so much and I have helped so much and I have been stabbed in the back so much and I have been loved so much and I have been hated so much.
2186
01:32:21,220 --> 01:32:30,220
I used that, I think I saw this many years ago from the Undertaker and WWF.
2187
01:32:30,220 --> 01:32:32,220
It was WWF, not even WWE.
2188
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,220
Because I mean, I'm good in pop culture as well.
2189
01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:40,220
If you see my classes, I use a lot of quotes of pop culture.
2190
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:43,220
He used to use this frame, this quote that says,
2191
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:47,220
Heated by many, loved by few, respected by all.
2192
01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:49,220
And I have this tattoo in my arm.
2193
01:32:49,220 --> 01:32:50,220
You know what I mean?
2194
01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,220
Because I have gone through so much.
2195
01:32:52,220 --> 01:33:02,220
So I could, even to, I even, I even seen something in Instagram and they're not part, they're not part of me.
2196
01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:07,220
They're like, if you continue doing what you're doing, you could make it.
2197
01:33:07,220 --> 01:33:08,220
Keep going.
2198
01:33:08,220 --> 01:33:11,220
What matters more to me?
2199
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:13,220
Oh my God!
2200
01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:15,220
If you need any help.
2201
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:17,220
And I have tried to help others.
2202
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:20,220
Probably they don't, the tattoo.
2203
01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:22,220
They don't care.
2204
01:33:22,220 --> 01:33:24,220
They don't try to, you know.
2205
01:33:24,220 --> 01:33:29,220
But I feel like I'm even doing that, I'm giving to the community.
2206
01:33:29,220 --> 01:33:31,220
To the Sasa community.
2207
01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:39,220
But like I said again, is that, and right now you got all these new, these new people,
2208
01:33:39,220 --> 01:33:44,220
because they think they have more followers than you and more likes than you, they're better than you.
2209
01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:49,220
You are.
2210
01:33:49,220 --> 01:33:51,220
You are.
2211
01:33:51,220 --> 01:33:58,220
It's not about that.
2212
01:33:58,220 --> 01:34:05,220
But, and that's what I said earlier, fame is not for everybody.
2213
01:34:05,220 --> 01:34:10,220
Fame could make you think that you are artist.
2214
01:34:10,220 --> 01:34:12,220
It's just famous.
2215
01:34:12,220 --> 01:34:16,220
Is that?
2216
01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:22,220
So, not the same being famous to being an artist.
2217
01:34:22,220 --> 01:34:31,220
It all comes even in the music business as well.
2218
01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:32,220
It's good man.
2219
01:34:32,220 --> 01:34:34,220
It's a good step.
2220
01:34:34,220 --> 01:34:35,220
Yeah.
2221
01:34:35,220 --> 01:34:40,220
I can see the issue, or not an issue, rather a challenge, right?
2222
01:34:40,220 --> 01:34:49,220
Especially when it comes to younger dancers, or maybe younger teams who are just starting to perform, you know.
2223
01:34:49,220 --> 01:34:52,220
They're coach or they're team leader.
2224
01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:55,220
They have a real challenge on their hand, right?
2225
01:34:55,220 --> 01:35:03,220
To if, you know, if we're talking about beautiful art being really created by artists, right?
2226
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:09,220
Then the ability to create an artist out of young dancers, it's probably a difficult thing to do.
2227
01:35:09,220 --> 01:35:12,220
Listen, we're the old schoolers.
2228
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:14,220
We're the old people.
2229
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:15,220
We're the old people.
2230
01:35:15,220 --> 01:35:16,220
We're the old people.
2231
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:17,220
We don't deny that we're old.
2232
01:35:17,220 --> 01:35:19,220
I don't get old.
2233
01:35:19,220 --> 01:35:21,220
I get vintage.
2234
01:35:21,220 --> 01:35:32,220
Now, they ask me, I like, how do you feel about this new generation now knowing who you are?
2235
01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:34,220
I'm like, I don't feel anything.
2236
01:35:34,220 --> 01:35:36,220
It's not their fault.
2237
01:35:36,220 --> 01:35:39,220
It's not the instructors fault.
2238
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:44,220
It's the instructors fault.
2239
01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:54,220
Not to give the respect to the artists.
2240
01:35:54,220 --> 01:35:58,220
Because they show, I could teach, I could show you a sushi cube.
2241
01:35:58,220 --> 01:36:03,220
And I tell you, I could edit that sushi cube.
2242
01:36:03,220 --> 01:36:05,220
When you know it's not true.
2243
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:06,220
Yeah.
2244
01:36:06,220 --> 01:36:10,220
I mean, you know, but some people, they don't know.
2245
01:36:10,220 --> 01:36:14,220
So, and this is worldwide.
2246
01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:16,220
This is not just in Orlando.
2247
01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:17,220
This is not just in Florida.
2248
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:19,220
This is not just in the pricing area.
2249
01:36:19,220 --> 01:36:23,220
This is not just in New York and the world is like that.
2250
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:27,220
You know what I mean?
2251
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:30,220
You don't have to push it.
2252
01:36:30,220 --> 01:36:32,220
You know what I mean?
2253
01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:36,220
But you, if you are, look at me.
2254
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:42,220
I'm not saying that I'm the famous of all, but I have done a lot.
2255
01:36:42,220 --> 01:36:44,220
You know?
2256
01:36:44,220 --> 01:36:51,220
And even my 1% that I have gave or my 2% to the community of Tuva Salsa is today.
2257
01:36:51,220 --> 01:36:54,220
I have given my 2%.
2258
01:36:54,220 --> 01:36:58,220
I don't feel, I don't feel that I'm the famous of all.
2259
01:36:58,220 --> 01:37:02,220
I'm not saying that I'm the famous of all, but I have done a lot.
2260
01:37:02,220 --> 01:37:06,220
I have given my 2%.
2261
01:37:06,220 --> 01:37:09,220
I don't feel better than nobody or worse than nobody.
2262
01:37:09,220 --> 01:37:14,220
I have tried my best to give what I can't give.
2263
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:16,220
That you can't give.
2264
01:37:16,220 --> 01:37:18,220
Exactly.
2265
01:37:18,220 --> 01:37:25,220
But then if they don't know who I am, it's because they haven't been taught.
2266
01:37:25,220 --> 01:37:29,220
Or because they don't care.
2267
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:34,220
They are easy to learn now, these days.
2268
01:37:34,220 --> 01:37:37,220
In pandemic, a lot of people remember, we were all stuck in the house.
2269
01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:40,220
So a lot of people, they went to see stuff in YouTube.
2270
01:37:40,220 --> 01:37:47,220
You know how many people wrote to me, like, oh my God.
2271
01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:49,220
I don't want to offend nobody.
2272
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:55,220
But you're doing, you did 10, 15 years ago what they're doing today.
2273
01:37:55,220 --> 01:37:58,220
Right.
2274
01:37:58,220 --> 01:38:01,220
It's not my father, they don't know me.
2275
01:38:01,220 --> 01:38:09,220
It's a father who taught them that all that, all the things that happened in the past 15, 20 years,
2276
01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:15,220
they didn't tell them where they came from.
2277
01:38:15,220 --> 01:38:20,220
Because I have people, me doing my stuff coming to me like, oh, my instructor told me how to do that.
2278
01:38:20,220 --> 01:38:25,220
He told you that.
2279
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:34,220
I think you mentioned this is something that has to do with understanding the origin of where things come from.
2280
01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:36,220
Like everything in life.
2281
01:38:36,220 --> 01:38:38,220
Yeah.
2282
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:39,220
Everything in life.
2283
01:38:39,220 --> 01:38:41,220
But you know what?
2284
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:44,220
The others, they suffer more than me.
2285
01:38:44,220 --> 01:38:46,220
Like a child really.
2286
01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:48,220
I know who I am.
2287
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:50,220
And what I have a gift.
2288
01:38:50,220 --> 01:38:53,220
And what I'm going to continue to give it.
2289
01:38:53,220 --> 01:38:56,220
Because I still, I got still a little bit more to give.
2290
01:38:56,220 --> 01:39:07,220
What do you think the significance is of an instructor educating the student about the history of where a certain concept coming from or who created it?
2291
01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:11,220
Is it, is it, is it that it has to be done even with music?
2292
01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:15,220
Even with music, you need to give respect to that.
2293
01:39:15,220 --> 01:39:19,220
You know, even to tell them who was the creator, where everything came from.
2294
01:39:19,220 --> 01:39:23,220
Even with music, because you, you, you are, you are eating from this.
2295
01:39:23,220 --> 01:39:27,220
It is something that you've not created.
2296
01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:29,220
It's not yours.
2297
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:32,220
You probably pay for it.
2298
01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:35,220
But you was not the creator.
2299
01:39:35,220 --> 01:39:36,220
You know what I mean?
2300
01:39:36,220 --> 01:39:41,220
So you need to have respect for yourself and have respect to the others.
2301
01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:43,220
And so like, listen, let's put it in music.
2302
01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:45,220
You know what I mean?
2303
01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:47,220
The music started like this.
2304
01:39:47,220 --> 01:39:50,220
Now just play some song.
2305
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:54,220
It's made to whoever wants to learn history.
2306
01:39:54,220 --> 01:39:57,220
Because some people and probably 90% of the people, they don't care.
2307
01:39:57,220 --> 01:39:58,220
This is what I learned.
2308
01:39:58,220 --> 01:40:02,220
And get on stage and perform and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
2309
01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:09,220
But if you respect yourself and you respect what you do, you'll be like, listen.
2310
01:40:09,220 --> 01:40:14,220
This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and that.
2311
01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:20,220
All you do is get famous, make some money.
2312
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:22,220
You don't tell history, just go.
2313
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:23,220
You just, that's mine.
2314
01:40:23,220 --> 01:40:24,220
Come on, let's go.
2315
01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:29,220
And there's a lot of people that do that.
2316
01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:35,220
They don't give respect even to their own structures, not even to us, to their own structures.
2317
01:40:35,220 --> 01:40:42,220
You know, like, if you, if you don't know where you came from, you're ready, you're ready, you already got where you're going.
2318
01:40:42,220 --> 01:40:48,220
But I think it's a cool thing if I'm going to do Pochanga a certain way to say this, how Juan Matoz breaks it down.
2319
01:40:48,220 --> 01:40:50,220
Who, who, who say that again?
2320
01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:52,220
Repeat, from the top?
2321
01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:57,220
If I'm going to do Pochanga a certain way that I learned from you.
2322
01:40:57,220 --> 01:41:00,220
No, you said, you said, you said something, you said something before that.
2323
01:41:00,220 --> 01:41:01,220
You said it's cool.
2324
01:41:01,220 --> 01:41:02,220
Yeah.
2325
01:41:02,220 --> 01:41:05,220
Because you feel it that way.
2326
01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:09,220
We come again to what dancing means to me.
2327
01:41:09,220 --> 01:41:10,220
You know what I mean?
2328
01:41:10,220 --> 01:41:12,220
Why you feel, you feel that you have to.
2329
01:41:12,220 --> 01:41:14,220
Some people, they don't feel.
2330
01:41:14,220 --> 01:41:19,220
Some people dancing a certain way because they don't feel.
2331
01:41:19,220 --> 01:41:21,220
You getting my whole thing?
2332
01:41:21,220 --> 01:41:22,220
Yeah.
2333
01:41:22,220 --> 01:41:24,220
You feel that you have to because it's cool.
2334
01:41:24,220 --> 01:41:29,220
And you know, and you give it respect and you're giving our flowers.
2335
01:41:29,220 --> 01:41:33,220
You know, but some people, they just don't care.
2336
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:38,220
So one interesting fact, I spoke in February, I spoke with Frankie Martinez.
2337
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:39,220
Yes.
2338
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:43,220
And Frankie Martinez had a lot of great input.
2339
01:41:43,220 --> 01:41:50,220
One of the things he said is that you learn a lot of steps, not because you want to be,
2340
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:52,220
you know, the best ever in Roomba.
2341
01:41:52,220 --> 01:41:55,220
You learn Roomba just so you can Roomba in your sleep.
2342
01:41:55,220 --> 01:42:00,220
So then later it manifests itself randomly, right?
2343
01:42:00,220 --> 01:42:04,220
It becomes part of you, but it manifests itself in the art.
2344
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:05,220
Exactly.
2345
01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:06,220
It contributes to the art.
2346
01:42:06,220 --> 01:42:08,220
That's what I took away from that conversation, right?
2347
01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:16,220
So using that concept, if I am going to use your moves from Pachanga and I'm going to
2348
01:42:16,220 --> 01:42:22,220
give you credit and Pachanga becomes part of me and I really get it in my head, then
2349
01:42:22,220 --> 01:42:29,220
I think that's going to help me to create something new to use Pachanga as a bridge.
2350
01:42:29,220 --> 01:42:34,220
I just gave you an example an hour ago.
2351
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:42,220
We were talking about the Roomba when I started learning Roomba, how to work with your body
2352
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:43,220
weight.
2353
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:45,220
Which you took and you created your own steps.
2354
01:42:45,220 --> 01:42:46,220
Exactly.
2355
01:42:46,220 --> 01:42:51,620
So this is not, I think what maybe some people missing is not the fact that I'm going to
2356
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:53,220
take this and master it.
2357
01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:59,220
Take this, take that, take whatever else you want, but create something with it.
2358
01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:06,140
Remember that I told you that I told my people what I know or what I feel they can do.
2359
01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:09,220
I don't tell them what I think they should do.
2360
01:43:09,220 --> 01:43:15,220
It's very, we're going to make a lot of people think in this interview.
2361
01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:18,220
Made too many quotes.
2362
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:36,220
So, if you know how to do a hamburger, I will tell you, take the hamburger and learn how
2363
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:39,220
to do it in a million different ways.
2364
01:43:39,220 --> 01:43:42,220
It makes sense, what I'm trying to say?
2365
01:43:42,220 --> 01:43:43,220
Yeah.
2366
01:43:43,220 --> 01:43:51,220
You can have that burger and cook it in everything because that's why you know what to do.
2367
01:43:51,220 --> 01:43:52,220
Right.
2368
01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:57,220
And create your own cheeseburger.
2369
01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:59,220
Me sense?
2370
01:43:59,220 --> 01:44:04,220
So that's why I tell them.
2371
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:11,220
If you see the dancers that have what work with me, my dancers.
2372
01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:13,220
They dance like me.
2373
01:44:13,220 --> 01:44:21,220
You can see me and them, but none of them from all the women and all the men.
2374
01:44:21,220 --> 01:44:23,220
They all know who they are.
2375
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:26,220
They know none of them dance like me.
2376
01:44:26,220 --> 01:44:28,220
You have all the instructors.
2377
01:44:28,220 --> 01:44:36,220
You have their dancers that look at exactly like the instructor.
2378
01:44:36,220 --> 01:44:37,220
Carbon copy.
2379
01:44:37,220 --> 01:44:38,220
Carbon copy.
2380
01:44:38,220 --> 01:44:42,220
Carbon copy.
2381
01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:52,220
Then you have dancers that nobody dance like them anymore because they didn't leave a legacy.
2382
01:44:52,220 --> 01:44:57,220
Everything was me, me, me, me, me.
2383
01:44:57,220 --> 01:45:00,220
So they don't have nobody to represent them.
2384
01:45:00,220 --> 01:45:01,220
Got it?
2385
01:45:01,220 --> 01:45:03,220
So, going back to me.
2386
01:45:03,220 --> 01:45:04,220
Why?
2387
01:45:04,220 --> 01:45:11,220
Because if you know how to do a hamburger, you're going to learn how to do the hamburger in a million ways.
2388
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:17,220
If you know how to do pizza, you're going to learn how to do pizza in a million ways.
2389
01:45:17,220 --> 01:45:20,220
If you know how to do spaghetti, you're going to learn how to do spaghetti.
2390
01:45:20,220 --> 01:45:21,220
You know how to do this.
2391
01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:26,220
So from them, I see what they're good at and that's how long go and develop that.
2392
01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:29,220
You look good in this goal and develop that.
2393
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:34,220
Now like, no, you all need to dance like me because I'm the best and you need to do it that way.
2394
01:45:34,220 --> 01:45:45,220
I do it and you need to talk like me and dress like me and be me because it's me and nobody's better than me.
2395
01:45:45,220 --> 01:45:48,220
Got the point?
2396
01:45:48,220 --> 01:45:50,220
I create leaders.
2397
01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:54,220
I don't create followers.
2398
01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:57,220
So that's how I teach them.
2399
01:45:57,220 --> 01:46:00,220
And like, listen, in this, it came from this.
2400
01:46:00,220 --> 01:46:02,220
And that, it came from here.
2401
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:04,220
This, it came from here.
2402
01:46:04,220 --> 01:46:06,220
The tomato, it came from here.
2403
01:46:06,220 --> 01:46:09,220
The lettuce, the burger, the meat, it came from this one.
2404
01:46:09,220 --> 01:46:11,220
The bread, so now you learn how to do it.
2405
01:46:11,220 --> 01:46:12,220
You got it?
2406
01:46:12,220 --> 01:46:18,220
All right, now that burger, you learn how to do it in a million ways.
2407
01:46:18,220 --> 01:46:24,220
And my legacy is saved.
2408
01:46:24,220 --> 01:46:27,220
I'm going to have some people carry in the torch.
2409
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:29,220
With respect.
2410
01:46:29,220 --> 01:46:36,220
Why? Because I respect them.
2411
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:38,220
It's good, man. Good stuff.
2412
01:46:38,220 --> 01:46:41,220
I told you, it's going to be different with me.
2413
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:44,220
No, I love it, man. I love it.
2414
01:46:44,220 --> 01:46:48,220
I love that we had a chance to sit down and have this conversation.
2415
01:46:48,220 --> 01:46:51,220
It's been awesome, man, talking with you.
2416
01:46:51,220 --> 01:46:53,220
It's been super great.
2417
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:55,220
Have a good time, people.
2418
01:46:55,220 --> 01:46:59,220
Don't let nobody tell you that you cannot do anything.
2419
01:46:59,220 --> 01:47:01,220
Right?
2420
01:47:01,220 --> 01:47:07,220
Focus in whatever, if you want to make it to the top, work hard.
2421
01:47:07,220 --> 01:47:09,220
Ask questions.
2422
01:47:09,220 --> 01:47:15,220
That's a lot of people that are afraid of asking a question, you know?
2423
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:17,220
Ask a question.
2424
01:47:17,220 --> 01:47:20,220
Because even very good, you will have an answer.
2425
01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:24,220
There is better than having nothing.
2426
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:27,220
I'm full of quotes.
2427
01:47:27,220 --> 01:47:29,220
For sure, man. For sure.
2428
01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:30,220
Alright.
2429
01:47:30,220 --> 01:47:32,220
I want to thank you for your time.
2430
01:47:32,220 --> 01:47:33,220
No, of course, bro.
2431
01:47:33,220 --> 01:47:37,220
I want to thank you for your honesty, for your energy, for your...
2432
01:47:37,220 --> 01:47:38,220
Like I tell you.
2433
01:47:38,220 --> 01:47:41,220
For your truth.
2434
01:47:41,220 --> 01:47:51,220
Dancing to me is...
2435
01:47:51,220 --> 01:47:54,220
I'm not going to say it's spiritual, because I would feel that.
2436
01:47:54,220 --> 01:47:56,220
I don't know. That's not me.
2437
01:47:56,220 --> 01:47:59,220
You know what I mean?
2438
01:47:59,220 --> 01:48:03,220
But the music is my way to...
2439
01:48:03,220 --> 01:48:10,220
I don't... Like I say, there is no best in the world.
2440
01:48:10,220 --> 01:48:16,220
But I just love to express myself with the music.
2441
01:48:16,220 --> 01:48:19,220
And even if it's teaching, even if I...
2442
01:48:19,220 --> 01:48:26,220
All those little videos that you see me doing here, is that I'm working and I play music, and then I improvise.
2443
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:28,220
Little bit... Let me put it up there.
2444
01:48:28,220 --> 01:48:30,220
Because so many people, they get inspired.
2445
01:48:30,220 --> 01:48:32,220
Getting inspired by somebody.
2446
01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:35,220
I don't say, me, you need to copy what they do.
2447
01:48:35,220 --> 01:48:39,220
I'm like, I'm inspired. I'm going to get better.
2448
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:41,220
You know what I mean?
2449
01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:43,220
It's too many ways that you can get inspired.
2450
01:48:43,220 --> 01:48:46,220
It's people that get inspired by copying what you do.
2451
01:48:46,220 --> 01:48:47,220
You know what I mean?
2452
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:48,220
And they don't give you props.
2453
01:48:48,220 --> 01:48:49,220
Or they do.
2454
01:48:49,220 --> 01:48:54,220
But those little videos, I inspire so many people through that.
2455
01:48:54,220 --> 01:48:55,220
You know what I mean?
2456
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:57,220
I don't do it for fame.
2457
01:48:57,220 --> 01:48:59,220
I'm not going to get more famous.
2458
01:48:59,220 --> 01:49:01,220
I don't want to...
2459
01:49:01,220 --> 01:49:03,220
The little that I am.
2460
01:49:03,220 --> 01:49:05,220
And I love it.
2461
01:49:05,220 --> 01:49:06,220
And I'm glad with it.
2462
01:49:06,220 --> 01:49:08,220
And I'm so happy with it.
2463
01:49:08,220 --> 01:49:12,220
Because then you have the people, you know, you got the haters.
2464
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:16,220
They do that to get more followers, to show up.
2465
01:49:16,220 --> 01:49:21,220
Juan is doing that to show up.
2466
01:49:21,220 --> 01:49:24,220
Yes.
2467
01:49:24,220 --> 01:49:26,220
Well, you want me to keep it in my house?
2468
01:49:26,220 --> 01:49:29,220
I'm going to keep it inside, then we throw it to the people.
2469
01:49:29,220 --> 01:49:30,220
It's free.
2470
01:49:30,220 --> 01:49:32,220
If you don't want to see it, just you pass it.
2471
01:49:32,220 --> 01:49:33,220
You know, you go like this in the phone,
2472
01:49:33,220 --> 01:49:34,220
and you don't see it anymore.
2473
01:49:34,220 --> 01:49:36,220
Simple.
2474
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:38,220
And to those people that they try,
2475
01:49:38,220 --> 01:49:40,220
if you don't have nothing,
2476
01:49:40,220 --> 01:49:41,220
now, like this is the thing about,
2477
01:49:41,220 --> 01:49:44,220
okay, everybody can express themselves however they want.
2478
01:49:44,220 --> 01:49:47,220
But sometimes you need to be, you know, little intelligent.
2479
01:49:47,220 --> 01:49:49,220
If you see so many beautiful messages,
2480
01:49:49,220 --> 01:49:51,220
you have to put a bad message.
2481
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:53,220
You're going to look stupid.
2482
01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:54,220
And it's easy to...
2483
01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:56,220
You're going to get deleted.
2484
01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:57,220
It doesn't happen to me often,
2485
01:49:57,220 --> 01:49:59,220
but it happens to other than my dancers.
2486
01:49:59,220 --> 01:50:01,220
Somebody I have always backed something to say.
2487
01:50:01,220 --> 01:50:03,220
People in there, that's the problem.
2488
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:05,220
They don't know.
2489
01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:08,220
They don't know the history or where it comes from, whatever.
2490
01:50:08,220 --> 01:50:09,220
But don't do that.
2491
01:50:09,220 --> 01:50:10,220
Keep it to yourself.
2492
01:50:10,220 --> 01:50:11,220
Or do it personally.
2493
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:12,220
I don't like what you're doing.
2494
01:50:12,220 --> 01:50:13,220
Or you did this wrong.
2495
01:50:13,220 --> 01:50:15,220
But if you see so many,
2496
01:50:15,220 --> 01:50:17,220
you got a hundred beautiful messages.
2497
01:50:17,220 --> 01:50:19,220
What is that?
2498
01:50:19,220 --> 01:50:20,220
Come on.
2499
01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:21,220
Why you messed it up?
2500
01:50:21,220 --> 01:50:24,220
And then you're going to have that hundred messages getting you.
2501
01:50:24,220 --> 01:50:27,220
And then you got offended.
2502
01:50:27,220 --> 01:50:28,220
No.
2503
01:50:28,220 --> 01:50:30,220
You know what I mean?
2504
01:50:30,220 --> 01:50:31,220
But just...
2505
01:50:31,220 --> 01:50:32,220
I'm sorry.
2506
01:50:32,220 --> 01:50:33,220
I'm talking too much.
2507
01:50:33,220 --> 01:50:36,220
I don't get to be interviewed.
2508
01:50:36,220 --> 01:50:39,220
Because I don't get interviewed to a lot of people.
2509
01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:41,220
He got it.
2510
01:50:41,220 --> 01:50:43,220
And nothing.
2511
01:50:43,220 --> 01:50:45,220
He's having fun with people.
2512
01:50:45,220 --> 01:50:51,220
When it's not fun anymore, stop doing it.
2513
01:50:51,220 --> 01:50:53,220
And it's not fun anymore.
2514
01:50:53,220 --> 01:50:54,220
You're not having fun.
2515
01:50:54,220 --> 01:50:55,220
Stop doing it.
2516
01:50:55,220 --> 01:50:57,220
Go dance something else.
2517
01:50:57,220 --> 01:50:58,220
And I was going to say,
2518
01:50:58,220 --> 01:50:59,220
go dance something like that.
2519
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:00,220
No, no, no.
2520
01:51:00,220 --> 01:51:04,220
Let's keep it salsa.
2521
01:51:04,220 --> 01:51:06,220
Thank you so much for your time.
2522
01:51:06,220 --> 01:51:07,220
Thank you, man.
2523
01:51:07,220 --> 01:51:08,220
Appreciate it.
2524
01:51:08,220 --> 01:51:30,220
Love you, everybody.