Fire Prevention Plans: A "Lets Not Burn The Building Down" Quick Checklist

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All right, welcome back to the channel.
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Today we're gonna talk about fire prevention stuff.
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Is that why you're wearing so much orange?
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I'm wearing the orange and the orange because it's Oklahoma State stuff.
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Yeah, it was like orange for fire for your school.
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Okay, here we go.
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Here we go.
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All right, welcome back.
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For those who do not know, years ago, I went to Oklahoma State University in the fire protection program and I designed this lovely shirt.
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So this is way back then.
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But today, that's why there's always orange and black in our stuff.
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People always ask why you always look so good because I have good color combinations.
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Nope.
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Is that what it does?
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Just always looking like Halloween.
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That's fine.
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All right, so fire prevention this week.
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All right.
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First, PMs, yes, mills, plants, farms.
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It doesn't matter.
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Cobwebs, bearings, whatever you want to call it.
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The PMs are the control that we see some opportunities.
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Yeah.
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That's yes.
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So if your PM structure is not really good, not talking about housekeeping, I mean like the PMs, then you're missing stuff.
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Yeah.
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Knowing what is normal.
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Yes.
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In regards to operating pressures, temperatures, whatever you want to go with.
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What is normal operation?
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What should it be?
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Is it operating within those parameters?
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What's considered outside of those parameters?
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And when do we really need to be concerned shut things down until we can replace all that good stuff?
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Do they know what they're actually doing?
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Well, that's we've seen random PMs like we're gonna PM the emergency lights or the exit signs.
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Yeah, because fire prevention are part of our system.
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Yeah, it's emergency, but that's great.
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And then they'll say things like we're gonna lock it out.
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So yeah, on the PM itself.
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Yeah.
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So you gotta make sure your PM is right.
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So the PM is not just what we're checking, it's how we're checking it and doesn't make sense.
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And then the person doing it, do they know what they're actually doing?
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Well, a really easy one.
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Yeah, a really easy one if you want to bring up you know exit signage is if you have lights on the top of your exit sign, let's make they're there for a reason.
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They are supposed to light up a path, so let's make sure that they are pointed in a direction that makes some kind of sense.
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Like that's part of what we're checking those words.
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PMs could be all the way down to the fire extinction, the place.
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I mean, this but this this whole concept of yeah, right size, right style.
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Do we know like whoever's conducting the PM?
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What I'm hearing is whoever's doing the PM for a fire prevention stuff for fire prevention stuff needs to have a list or needs to have some training on what they're looking for.
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Yeah, what are they looking for?
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Got it.
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Yep.
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Okay, agree.
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Yep.
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All right.
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And my next one here is the contractors.
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Now, I bring these up because we've worked a lot of fires in my career.
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Yeah, actually.
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I'm looking at the things that made the fire get bigger than they should have been.
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So a contractor is actually burnt down plants.
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Yes, they do.
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That is that is happening.
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Yeah.
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So what I want you to do for your contractor is you don't fill out the hot work permit in the morning and they use it all.
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From your desk.
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And everything they've done for 14 hours has nothing to do with the hot work permit.
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But that's what we see.
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You've got to manage each fire and each firewatch.
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Yeah, we don't want them to bring the permit to our desk in the morning when we're trying to do everything else.
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Right.
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And say, I need you to sign this so that we can get going today.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it part of that is a little bit of coordination before that contractor heads out so that we know what they need.
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Right.
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We can get some of that stuff pulled together.
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There is nothing saying you can't walk through some of that stuff before the next day.
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I mean, there theoretically shouldn't be a lot of changes in the project area.
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So, you know, some of that stuff can be done ahead of time.
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If you want to do a real detailed inspection, that allows you to just do a real quick sweep.
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Yes, nothing's changed.
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There are no differences, and it shortens some of that a little bit.
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You need some training on what they're really gonna do.
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We've seen 300 foot of pipe with one hot work permit with one firewatch.
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And you're like, how did they mean it's not the contractor that's gonna have their people not have a job tomorrow?
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Well, they're just gonna go to the next place.
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Yeah, the plant's gonna burn down, and yeah, they have insurance, but who really cares?
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I mean, you've lost your labor, your product, your your your relationship with your people.
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It's way bigger than just how we're gonna do the mainness of fire that day.
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Yeah.
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So from a fire prevention standpoint, hot work is huge.
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Now we have an entire hot work episode.
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I think we have a couple, and you can hop on over to that.
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I'll link it up top here.
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But the biggest thing is is based on your environment, like a mill fire watch is gonna be different than a plant.
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Or a roof or a wall area.
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Roofs, yep, yep.
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If you could have stuff falling down below through slats, it's gonna be different than if you're doing stuff outside, but there's a lot of dry grass.
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I mean, so there you've got to really evaluate instead of just kind of painting everything with a broad brush, it really does have to be kind of custom.
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Because sometimes they you'll literally see people do fire projects right outside of a room that's highly flammable.
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And they'll have an empty extinguisher.
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Yeah.
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And you're like, you're like, what?
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And you're like right there where the hazard is with the big three on the logo.
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You know, it always it always makes me feel good when I see a welder or like a cart or something, and the extinguisher's empty.
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There's so much to break down there with like, first off, why did you need it if you did the hot work properly right?
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Second of all, why did you use it?
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And at no point did you tell anybody that this happened?
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And then third, never at any point did you think, hey, I should probably replace this because I might need it again.
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Since obviously this is a thing that happens to me.
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I mean, it's just a lot happening there.
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Because we're doing three, right?
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Is the actual management of the system?
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And what I mean by that is there's a lot of plants.
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The person who manages a fire prevention plan really has had no training in at all.
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Yeah, that's first.
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Second, so they don't even know what they call a fire.
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It's like we'll see a smoking area.
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I was just gonna grass smoking for sure around them for sure.
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Smoking area.
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Like, I mean, so it it's the person, it seems like the fire prevention plan is one of those really cool plans, like sprinklers depends who you ask, just kind of disappears, it goes on the shelf, you know.
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And yeah, but sprinkler impairment, all these weird things people don't think about.
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Like, there's a system for this.
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So you're theoretically supposed to be calling people if you turn off your sprinklers to do stuff from an insurance side.
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Um, do are we aware of that?
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Do we have a sprinkler impairment form within there?
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Um things.
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We're gonna work in the rack systems that are frozen, but actually the sprinklers broke before.
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I mean, yeah you gotta be thinking about even where are we allowing people to smoke?
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Since you brought up smoking, hopefully it's not right outside the receiving bay at a mill while they're dumping corn.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, let's think some of this through just a little bit.
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Where am I gonna store the propane so it doesn't get hit when people are driving by?
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Backing up or whatever.
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So let's also not smoke next to that, too.
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That would be fun.
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But I've seen uh well, my plant.
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I know for everybody on this call, one of the weird.
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I've seen it so much.
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They say called Joe the safety guy, and go out there with the fire protection degree.
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And I go out there and I'm like, so why is the guy filling propane with a cigarette in his mouth?
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And he thought there was no risk at all.
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I'm like, you're right.
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I guess everybody has different levels of risk.
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So but the point of it is that your plan has to decide, or your location has to decide.
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What are you comfortable with for your fire production plan?
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But your plan is a lot of random stuff like that.
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How are you gonna store where are you gonna put, you know, people get caught up in the cylinders, and and I think that's important all, but what about all the spray paint?
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Yeah, what are all the what the in weird areas or like they show up everywhere?
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Yeah, the cans are like the the mist grease where or like where we oil stuff and it's this fine mist.
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I'm like, gotta watch where you store some of that stuff.
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So the management of that system is why that's my third.
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Yeah.
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Also, you're not sure all those risks are there and your plan is a cover, and you don't have a way to mitigate that risk, you're just waiting, basically.
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Yeah, also, so to go along those lines of fire prevention, where you have your hand sanitizer that they hit before they go outside, because I have seen in real life someone's hand on fire because they lit up before it dried off.
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That's right.
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So I mean, like these are things that do happen.
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So look at your fire prevention plan.
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And and all I'm saying is a lot of them are like two or three pages, and I'm like, there's way more to this than this.
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And they look a little light.
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So go back and look at them and say what could really cause a fire here.
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Yep.
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And break that down and think about it.
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Yeah, and you know, normally we kind of group that in with our EAP training or emergency training.
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So let's make sure that whatever's in that plan, again, we are getting that information out to everyone working at the facility too, so that they're aware of it.
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I mean, you know, that should be outlining that same plan, should be outlining what we're covering in the training.
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So we want to make sure that we do.
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Correct.
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That's my main three.
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If you do your PMs right, you'll prevent it.
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Yep.
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If you have a good plan and a good managed system, you'll pick those risks and mitigate them before put a CMAP pad where they're gonna smoke.
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Yeah.
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Move the contractors away in the same thing.
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Trash can management.
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There's all these things you can do to prevent it.
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And then um, just overall manage, really manage your system.
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This is just one of those things you've got to actively be.
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And we hear that.
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We say, oh, someone had a fire or someone had an explosion.
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And it seems so like, how can that happen?
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But it that can't just happen.
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It's actively managing the environment as well as the behaviors, correct, and just staying on top of it.
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It's just routine staying on top of it, and and you only have to do that for a certain amount of time before that becomes the norm.
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Absolutely.
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Everybody understands.
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And then the person who doesn't follow that looks strange because everyone's like, Why are you doing that?
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We all know that that's a hazard.
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Right.
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You don't want to burn everything down.
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What are you doing?
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And some of that, if you do it for a consistent period of time, will begin to start taking care of itself and you can pull back just a little bit later on.
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Absolutely.
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So thank you.
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So um, these are just our opinions, what we've experienced, what we've seen.
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