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I always felt like I was fighting life, like always fighting to try to figure it out or always button against it, forcing my way through it.
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and there was a point where it was still before like I got into church and all that, where I was like, now I feel like I'm holding hands with life and just walking through life.
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Instead of fighting it,
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Welcome to Rooted, a place where stories of faith, growth, and changed lives.
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I'm Todd.
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These conversations aren't about perfect answers or polished stories.
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They're about real people and the places where growth actually begins.
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You don't have to have it all figured out.
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Lord knows I don't.
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But you have to be willing to listen.
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and today I'm sitting down with Matthew.
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Matt and I met through CrossFit But where we really met and connected was on a few nature walks.
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A few.
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One on one time, some group stuff, and what stood out about me the most about you, Matthew, was your willingness to be vulnerable and your willingness to share your story and your willingness to be, both a good listener and a good talker.
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We've had this conversation many times of.
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How closely related you and I are, we have a lot of the same characteristics of people feel safe around us to tell their story.
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That's why I'm truly honored to have you in here today to be able to sit down with me.
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I'm just as comfortable sitting with you as you are with me, Yeah.
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Hundred percent., I'm really glad you're here.
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There's nothing to perform.
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This is a simple conversation that we get to share.
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To let other people know that there is no matter where you're at in life, if you've either found God or you haven't yet, he's always seeking us out even when we don't know it.
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You and I, when you and I first started working together, when you and I first started hanging out, neither one of us knew God.
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But he found us both.
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Where we were at when we needed to be found.
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it's actually a pretty fun story, but it is, to be able to share your story of how you found God, how God found you, what has changed in your life, how you felt and were, how you're rooted in life, or how you feel God has rooted himself in you.
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There's nothing before.
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It's just a place to show people that no matter where you're at, you can be found.
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he found me in nature.
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He found you on the street.
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As crazy as that sounds.
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I like to think of it more of We found him.
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We found him.
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Always.
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We just had to open our eyes.
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Yeah.
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Agreed.
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found you, what did life feel like?
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It was, lonely, heavy.
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Just'cause, felt like you're just doing it all by yourself.
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I always felt like I was fighting life, like always fighting to try to figure it out or always button against it, forcing my way through it.
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and there was a point where it was still before like I got into church and all that, where I was like, now I feel like I'm holding hands with life and just walking through life.
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Instead of fighting it, we're just So that's how I kinda look at it.
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What I used to say was life all the time.
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Now it's Jesus.
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And then what is I called Universe, was God.
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So once I started to think about it, I'm like, oh, that's not that big of a shift like it was right there the whole time, for the past year, over a year, been over a year now.
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I was, had that way of thinking and I was like, oh yeah, it was right there the whole time.
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I was just afraid to name it.
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So now I don't feel, I was like, oh, I had that idea, that long ago.
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Now I just don't feel alone because it's oh, I'm walking with, Jesus is right next to me or walking with me through all this.
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I agree with you, Matthew.
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When you say universe, nobody's walking with you.
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It's just everything.
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You say walk, not walking with God.
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Walking in God.
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Now we've got somewhere right beside me.
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I love that.
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And it gives a very clear mental picture now of who you're walking with instead of just everything.
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like just a watcher
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where
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Not really there with you just watching and then God is watching of course, but.
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When we start to stumble, catch us.
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We know somebody's there to pick us up.
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Someone to lean on.
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I'm curious, so what, before you found God, what were you rooted in?
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complex question.
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Like how far back do you want to go?
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You can go back a year, you can go back six months,
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At one point it was, a bottle would lean on pretty hard.
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And
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there was A couple years ago, probably when I first started CrossFit, it was more of leaning on myself this is how it felt, or like trying to, but then you just stumble over your own feet a lot of times.
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Then it was the idea of just something bigger, like I said, the universe.
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And stuff.
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Yeah.
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Just that concept of, okay, there's something bigger, there's something bigger going on.
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I can lean on that because it's not all on me then.
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So that helped.
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And now of course it's a lot different.
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As you started to make that shift from calling Universe to saying God, did you start to see a time in your life where you knew that there was more than just universe out there?
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Or when did you start to realize that those roots weren't enough?
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Deep down part of me,'cause like I, I was raised in church and stuff, so deep down there was always part of me that I think always knew God was there the biggest thing was, is I had issues with certain concepts of it.
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And that's what I was like, that can't be, that don't feel right to me.
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I would always kind of push back, it's but don't feel right.
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And that's why I've looked into so many different religions too,, because it's the one I was raised in, there's parts that don't feel right let's check out this one.
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Which I mean, led to like now.
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More of a Taoist belief where not forcing anything, just letting, which goes very well with, even like the concept of God is, don't force it, you just gotta let it happen naturally.
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Then looking through all the religions and whatnot, and then finally I talked to the missionaries and I was like, oh, wow.
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You guys are saying things that I've been thinking now and for the past year.
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Just like the way I'm understanding things when I'd be out on my walks or just processing life is the way that they're saying things and it's oh, so then I was having this big realization of okay, I found the one, I found that one that, that makes sense to me now.
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Right before you and I hopped on here, I was telling you about a good friend that she's a pastor, a teacher over in Ohio.
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The last time her and I met, she said something that has stuck with me.
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We won't find a church.
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The right church will find us.
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And how true that is for both of us.
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Yeah.
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When there's a need for somebody, God has a.
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They called a funny way of putting us where he needs us.
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He put you at a church that, if I'll let you explain it.
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if other people walk in and see Matthew there, they feel more comfortable walking into that church now.
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It's happened.
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Yeah, it's happened, a few times now and that, that's one of the reasons I.
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I go so often, like every event, because there've been a couple times where I was like, oh, I just don't, I don't really feel like going, but I went, and then when I would show up, there would be either somebody I knew from my past would be there and they'd be like, whoa, what are you doing here?
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And then they'd, they'd feel more comfortable and then they get talking and whatnot, and then they'll.
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I started talking to other members of the church that know more than I do.
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'cause, I'm still just a baby at this.
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So when I walked in the room, he just grabbed right on me.
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And so I'm like if I wouldn't have been there, if I wouldn't have walked in.
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He probably would've felt awkward the whole time probably.
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And'cause he didn't really that, that at that time, it's a lot of old people, the church, that church, is it dwindling?
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Like it was they lost a lot of members over the years and whatnot.
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So you have this huge gap.
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And even there isn't very many kids there anymore either.
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There's maybe a handful of kids., Other than that, they're all old people.
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And so now me being there the hope is to bring people more my age, bring life back to it.
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Whether that's why I was, pulled there or not.
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I have no idea,
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It'll happen without us trying or without us even knowing.
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It just happens, just like the handful that's already come to church.
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And if they've seen you there oh, I feel comfortable with you, or whatever that is.
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So then if they're comfortable, how many more will follow?
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How many more people start to come because they're there.
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Oh, this guy's here.
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Maybe he doesn't have tattoos and piercings, but maybe he's, who knows what he is got?
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Maybe he's got red hair and the next somebody walks in is oh, that guy's got red hair too.
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So it's interesting how we know we don't know how this thing works.
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We just know that God put you in a spot where you're making other people feel comfortable to come to church.
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God put me at a church that.
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Some other people or May and it was some people inside the church that were already there, but now they're feel comfortable sharing some things, whether it's because I'm there or not.
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So I'm hearing stories that are coming out that they haven't told before.
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So who knows?
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Yeah.
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We don't know how this thing works.
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At least I don't.
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I think too, it's, I don't look like a lot of people there.
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They're all, clean cut, Then, so people can come in and see me and they're like, whoa you don't look like the rest.
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Even though they might not look like me, they might have lived a rough life.
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And I look like I might have walked a rougher path than most.
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So then they'd feel more just comfortable in that aspect, even though like I could look at'em and be like, oh they look very clean, cut and whatever, so why are they connecting with me so much, but that's part of what we just don't know.
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That's the part we don't know.
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Yeah.
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That's why I show up.
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we're human beings, not human beings.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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there.
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I
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What began to change under the surface, how you saw yourself in the world.
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We just covered a little bit of that, of just being a person there.
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Being a comforting person.
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But have you changed the way you've seen yourself on the outside?
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When you look in the mirror?
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Do you still see the same Matthew Krantz that you saw before?
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Or do you see a different one?, It's different one for
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sure.
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I mentioned to you, it was quite a while ago, how, wanting to see myself, other people see me.
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I feel like I'm getting there, like seeing the real me.
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Which when you can start to do that, it's oh, okay.
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That's pretty eye-opening.
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When you and I first started talking, something you said to me that stuck with me was,.
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I said, I don't wanna hang out with this guy.
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And you said that has stuck with you of why does Todd wanna workout with me?
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We're completely, at the time we thought we were two different people.
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And we'd only, I'd only seen you doing stretches and we'd never really worked out.
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We never really worked out.
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So that's why I was like.
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This guy I wanna work out with me for what do I do?
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I remember just going home or we, you made a comment about looking in the mirror and thinking, I don't see what that guy, I don't see what tot tees, I don't see what, because I think other people have told you that before.
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That you're just, you're somebody comforting to be around.
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You're able to let people open up around you, but you couldn't see that in yourself.
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So it's pretty cool to hear that.
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You're starting to see that in yourself now.
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Same for me.
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It's to be able to look in the mirror and see a completely different person.
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We get to see what other people see in us.
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Now, not on ego side, but like you said, on a, on a human being level of, Hey, I know who's in, I'm starting to see who's in there.
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So it is pretty cool.
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Really working on not judging anybody.
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And it's oh, I can't judge myself then too, right?
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Because that's, if I'm judging me, there's a good chance I'm gonna judge everybody else.
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So you just gotta be kind to yourself You're kind to yourself.
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It's easier to be kind to everybody else.
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And this story's been on my mind for probably for this reason right here, Matthew, over the past couple weeks, I have thought about this story.
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I was out in San Francisco, had an experience, and I remember sitting in the middle of the room, and I remember sitting there listening to all the other 10 people that were in the room.
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There's a loud guy over here.
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There's a very quiet girl behind us.
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There was a guy I was watching him go from one person to the next and just interjected himself in their conversations.
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And as I sat there, I'm like, I can't judge these people.
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'cause I've been every one of these people.
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And now that, that again has stuck with me do I still catch myself judging people?
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I'm human.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna happen.
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But but you're right.
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It's when we don't judge ourself all the time.
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We don't judge others, and it's, I think that goes a lot for respect.
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When we start to respect ourselves, we have the ability to respect others when we start to love ourself.
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Ooh, that's a, I'll call it a dangerous weapon.
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Not really a weapon though, but when we start to love others, how easy it is to love somebody else, even though maybe they're not who we.
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How much easier it is to do that now.
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That's the love, love without expectation.
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Love without expectation.
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Yeah.
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Just like you walking into church, you were not, you didn't fit their mold when you first walked in there.
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Yeah.
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But they showed you unconditional love.
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That they show that when you walked in, they were like, oh, you got tattoos in Pearsons, you can't be here.
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No.
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They opened the door, like they held the door open for you.
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I watched them do it.
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Unconditional love, no judgements.
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They don't care what you look like, you're.
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To them.
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You're Matthew.
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Yeah.
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And that's it.
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That, and that's all that matters.
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One of the few places that I've walked into and didn't feel completely judged or even just like slightly judged, like I just didn't feel judged at all.
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And which is why I think like it was easy for me to stay there and be like, all right, let's, let's see this.
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'cause I don't wanna say I was.
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A little jealous of that, but Oh, I wanna be able to, I wanna be able to be like that and just care.
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without judgment.
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You gotta judge it before it happens.
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Before this person treats me this way.
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If I can judge them and figure it out beforehand, then they can't get me with it.
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So now it's, if it does happen, it happens.
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Whatever happens.
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But I'm not gonna judge
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a lot of it is, they don't mean to do it.
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The world treated him a certain way and made them.
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Act a certain way.
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Yeah.
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And that was that way too.
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That's how we were conditioned.
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That's how we were programmed.
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It's our lenses.
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It's our lenses., The co part is you and I have figured out how to wipe that lens clean or be able to put new glasses on.
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Sometimes, like I said, sometimes they get foggy, but being able to.
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Know that Jesus has got a Kleenex, he can wipe those goggles off for you.
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He's got the
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The lenses though, that's something I've been, looking at too.
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When I talk to people now, I can see what color their lenses are.
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So it's okay, and when I like to look at it like, the color of your lens, it stops them from seeing that color because that's the way it works, right?
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I was talking to a few people the other day and I was like, yeah, so if their lenses are yellow and then you start talking in a yellow way, they're not gonna see it.
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They're not gonna get it.
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It's just not gonna make sense to'em.
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So the key is to recognize that and then talk to'em, In blue.
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Because that makes green, they'll start, they'll see green and then they're like, oh.
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And that makes sense because it connects with both until you can shape it around and make what you're trying to get across.
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you're meeting them where they're at.
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Right.
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Find a common ground.
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And then it's like, all right, now I can show you how they connect.
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And then you can make that a decision of, do you want to go that way or.
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do you wanna see green or you keep saying yellow?
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And then, after a while, then the hope is that eventually maybe they'll be like, oh, I don't really need these colors then.
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Now that you've started going to church, now that you've have started walking with Jesus, what's your day to day, what has changed the most in your day to day?
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paying attention to how I talk, certain things I say, how I react to things.
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That's the big ones.
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other than that, just being grateful.
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Everything, not worrying so much.
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Nice.
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One of the things that you said before we hopped on air was a.
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It's eight o'clock in the morning, or it was when you got here and now it's, eight o'clock and you're here, you're bright-eyed, bushy tailed.
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What got you to start waking up at six 30?
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I had to like for a job and stuff.
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plus just being, getting back on a routine as, like just being all willy-nilly.
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It's easy for things to go not the way you want'em to.
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Taking control of your day.
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Control your morning, control your day., Being able to start the day off on a good note.
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what keeps you rooted in faith?
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learning right now having lessons with, the missionaries or even just meeting up with people from the church just to talk about stuff like, just learning more and more.
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That's, how I am.
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Like I always wanna learn.
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that's part of the whole overactive thinker type thing.
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Trying to keep the brain occupied, which has been a double-edged sword there a couple times.
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when it comes to learning, like in the Bible, my brain would automatically go to.
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It was like I was trying to find issues with it in the beginning, and it's of course if you try to find a problem, you're probably gonna find one.
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So I think of it like I was misinterpreting things because I didn't have the tools to understand them.
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Easy to do in a Bible.
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Yeah, for sure.
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especially the Bible for one, because it his King James version is what I read.
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Okay.
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So a lot of that, it's like just how they say things is confusing.
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So for me, I was like, oh, that's, that don't make sense.
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Why don't it make sense?
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And then you have to I dig and dig and dump in this rabbit hole.
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And next thing I know, it's an hour and a half later and I'm just so confused.
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I'm just like, and starting to doubt, building doubt in myself about it.
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that's happened before in life.
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that was one of the reasons I would step away.
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seeing differences or whatever where I'd be like, that don't make sense.
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Those can't be real.
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to where now?
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And then it was weird'cause back then it was always too I didn't really feel when I would get confused like that.
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It was like, I didn't really feel God.
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And that's something I've noticed has changed lately, where even when I get confused, or in my mind I'd see something and be like that contradicts, so that's not good.
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But I didn't go back to that feeling alone.
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It was like it didn't let go.
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So then I was like, all right, Let's talk to some people that know more than I do about this stuff because I'm looking at it wrong.
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And a lot of times it was, yeah, it was like, oh I've got them lenses on what am I doing?
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Wipe them off again.
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And we've had a couple of those conversations outside of this too, of what does this mean to you?
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Or whatever.
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and I've been in the same spot.
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Call somebody who knows.
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It's cool that you and I have different people that we can reach out to that have studied the Bible from cover to cover for one of the guys.
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I got about two or three guys have gone through seminary, have gone through, one guy hasn't gone through seminary, but he's studied the Bible since he was.
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Five years old and he's 16 now.
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So Hey, I got a question.
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And he can, he knows exactly where I'm at with it and he can rattle off.
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I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
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So it's nice to have those people in life.
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Yeah.
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I've mentioned that a few times where it's'cause I know there's people at the church that Yeah, they were raised in it.
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So like from a child, they've been learning this stuff and it's my church is quite a bit different than the church I was raised in.
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And now it's Mormon, which for one, I think it's interesting that I've never, there's always been Mormons around.
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I've never met a Mormon before this point in my life.
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I'm like, let's.
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That could be considered divine intervention or whatever you wanna call it.
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my pastor and I just had this conversation.
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I was out at Cameron, doing my volunteer work out there, and the lady that's in charge of the chaplains, she said she has seen it happen many times that.
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A patient will come in and the right chaplain happens to be there at the right time to have the right conversation.
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She was like, she goes, I can't understand.
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She goes, I don't know.
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It's God working, obviously, but how often that has happened.
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When I was going in for my first two interviews out there, it happened to me both times.
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I was standing in the lobby waiting to go back to have my interview and patient started talking to me.
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So she walks out, she's what are you doing?
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I'm like.
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This guy, just start talking to me here.
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You want a job, but you're right.
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There's, divine interventions, divine timing, whatever you wanna say.
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And it was like, why did I say Yeah, because most of the time people come up walking up to you, it's shit, off my property.
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What are you doing?
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I wanna talk to you.
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So you're like, do you know Jesus Christ?
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You're like that's not a good way to start a conversation.
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Most people are like, I don't wanna talk about that one.
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it takes boldness.
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Where we're at now of walking up somebody, it's our pastor, the pastor of the church I go to, one of his questions is, if you were to die tomorrow, or if you were to die tonight, where we spend eternity, like that's his lead in.
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So it's divine interventions the divine interventions, divine timing of where we're supposed to be.
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You and I met through divine timing, right?
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Who knew?
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So it's all part of the plan.
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where it goes.
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'Cause if we wouldn't have met, there's good possibility I wouldn't be where I'm at right now, for sure.
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And I will give that reflection back when I first started talking about doing a podcast or.
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Doing other stuff.
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You're like, all I gotta do is sit down in front of Mike and start talking.
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Yeah.
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Like you go, you're like, I did it for years.
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It's easy.
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Yeah.
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You just gotta hit the button.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I can do that.
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The hardest part's starting it.
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So take that step.
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just go hit the button, Todd.
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Dang it.
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I think I know which trail we're Yeah.
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if somebody's listening or whoever's listening is curious or stuck or thinks they might Wanna dip their toe and go into church or dip their toe in following Jesus, what would you want them to know?
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Not to be afraid to speak up about anything.
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Because you're gonna have questions and a lot of people just, I'm assuming, because I think it's human nature, a lot of that's where you're being afraid to be judged.
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So you're not gonna speak up about things.
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It if something about, the Bible or, whatever religion and whatever religion, religious books you're reading or whatever, studying, if it doesn't make sense to you.
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I feel like a lot of people are like, oh, no I don't wanna offend them because what I'm thinking right now isn't going with what they're thinking.
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So I could offend them because, religion, that's a touchy subject.
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Like usually if you have a opposing idea, people could offended pretty easily.
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And then with religion just intensifies it because usually that's felt very deep.
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I found like it, if you do speak up and have questions right, and they get super offended, maybe that's not the right religion for you.
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Honestly, because it really shouldn't be that way.
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you should be able to have a conversation with the church that you're with or your pastor or teacher, leader, whoever.
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And I think you said too, even if it's not a, even if it's not a religion, even, whatever the community is, you should feel safe to be able to ask a question.
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Whether it's a CrossFit gym or whatever.
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Wherever you're at, you should be able to feel safe doing, asking questions
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without judgment or without being defended
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Yeah, If not, then that's usually a pretty clear indicator that maybe you shouldn't be there in the wrong spot.
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Yeah.
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You're a square peg trying to fit in a round hole type of deal.
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find your square hole.
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Man.
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Last question.
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One of my favorites.
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What's next?
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Going farther within the church, learning more about it.
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like I know I have, I'm working towards my, priesthood now.
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Okay.
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Which is something I never thought like what ordained a priest?
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Come on now.
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And knowing how many, the thought of it even is kinda like me, I've never seen a priest with face piercings and neck tattoos and Even though I feel like that's something I've I think about quite a bit is how much the gym is, like it's taking care of your body and I think people overlook that an awful lot.
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Agreed.
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Because it's your body's a temple.
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And it's it is.
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What kind of storms can your body handle?
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What can
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When we go into church, what's the first thing they offer?
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it's pies, cookies.
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Sweetss.
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Are we truly treating our body as a temple?
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If we're doing that all the time, obviously we don't eat.
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Like I hope they, they don't all eat like that all the time.
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It's for special occasions.
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maybe you and I are there to help churches get healthy too.
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You and I have made a huge turn in life of getting healthy.
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Were being put into spots also to help the churches physically get healthier.
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yeah.
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Yeah.
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They could use a walk, they could use some apples and bananas instead of cookies and pies.
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not judging, just stating the fact don't conform to the world, let the world conform to you kind of thing.
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maybe the church needs a little bit of Matthew and Todd of some healthy aspects of coming into it.
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Of, yeah.
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Bringing our knowledge of food.
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Gym time walking in nature.
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It doesn't cost anything to go for a walk at Po Hagan.
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And you should, go once a week and what, after seven weeks?
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Yeah.
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And honestly, should be going at least once a week.
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At least get out there.
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Yep.
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Breathe fresh air.
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Yeah.
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how much time did Jesus spend out in nature?
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Yeah.
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Eh, a lot of time, a lot of time.
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Actually had a conversation with a guy is, he's an elder in the church now.
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He's got this big old beard and it's a glorious beard, like it's so epic.
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but he, his, he's his, parents are old they're like old style Mormon, so very strict on everything.
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And he said his mom would always, or his, yeah.
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His mom or his grandma.
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Anyways, they would get on him about his beard, and I was like that don't make sense.
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I was like, Jesus had a beard.
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He's yeah, and he wore sandals.
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And I was like, yeah, he did.
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Speaking about love and peace pretty much the whole time, right?
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Walking around his sandals and robe, like he just,
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Disruptive thinker.
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Yeah, for sure.
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It takes more of those people in life.
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there's a guy I just met.
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it was one of the lessons I sat in on.
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He's going through a lot, I guess I've been blessed to go through those same things so I can talk to him a little bit about it, maybe help him out, hopefully, He's an overactive thinker and stuff, and I mentioned that.
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I'm like, the way he was talking and everything, I'm like, that disruptive thinker.
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He is yeah.
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I was like,'cause you think different than everybody else.
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But that's a good thing sometimes.
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'cause that gives people that shift.
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Like they would never have thought that way.
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But it's oh now they're like, oh interesting.
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Now they start.
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I just put a post on social media yesterday.
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I was looking out my kitchen window.
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All I could see was gray sky.
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I literally went to the other side of the table three feet away and there's a awesome, like a beautiful sunrise.
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I'm like, how much of a difference three feet makes?
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Changed my whole attitude for the day.
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I'm like, oh, all I had to do is move my seat at the table.
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and
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have a
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completely different day.
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That's the biggest thing too, is like you could have just sat there and been like, Ugh, gray sky.
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But it's, you're like, oh, it looks gloomy out.
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Got up, moved, This.
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Don't look right to me.
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Get up and Move.
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It's okay.
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You're allowed to move.
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You're in a tree.
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Yeah.
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we're rooted, right?
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Yeah.
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Rooted in faith, but we don't have to, but we can move.
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Yeah.
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We're rooted in faith, but we're able to travel with it.
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We're able to walk with Matthew.
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Thanks for trusting me.
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And thanks for trusting that this story will get shared with some listeners.
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what stuck with me about this conversation today was we can come from anywhere and find Jesus.
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We'll find us, God will find us so we can walk in.
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Faith.
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Doesn't matter if you have neck tattoos, piercings, or it doesn't matter if you have a gigantic, glorious period.
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Whatever you have, you can stay rooted in your faith.
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It doesn't matter.
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How people judge us from the outside.
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It's how we look at ourselves from the inside.
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if you're listening to something in this story stirred in you, and you don't have to rush it, sometimes the most important part is not noticing what's taking root and not, and so other times what's not taking root.
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So if this conversation resonates, you're welcome to share it with someone who might need it or.
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Simply sit with it and you can listen to it again.
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Matthew, thanks for being here.
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This is rooted.
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Thanks for reminding me.
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I always felt like I was fighting life, like always fighting to try to figure it out or always button against it, forcing my way through it.
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and there was a point where it was still before like I got into church and all that, where I was like, now I feel like I'm holding hands with life and just walking through life.
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Instead of fighting it,
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Welcome to Rooted, a place where stories of faith, growth, and changed lives.
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I'm Todd.
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These conversations aren't about perfect answers or polished stories.
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They're about real people and the places where growth actually begins.
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You don't have to have it all figured out.
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Lord knows I don't.
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But you have to be willing to listen.
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and today I'm sitting down with Matthew.
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Matt and I met through CrossFit But where we really met and connected was on a few nature walks.
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A few.
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One on one time, some group stuff, and what stood out about me the most about you, Matthew, was your willingness to be vulnerable and your willingness to share your story and your willingness to be, both a good listener and a good talker.
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We've had this conversation many times of.
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How closely related you and I are, we have a lot of the same characteristics of people feel safe around us to tell their story.
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That's why I'm truly honored to have you in here today to be able to sit down with me.
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I'm just as comfortable sitting with you as you are with me, Yeah.
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Hundred percent., I'm really glad you're here.
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There's nothing to perform.
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This is a simple conversation that we get to share.
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To let other people know that there is no matter where you're at in life, if you've either found God or you haven't yet, he's always seeking us out even when we don't know it.
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You and I, when you and I first started working together, when you and I first started hanging out, neither one of us knew God.
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But he found us both.
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Where we were at when we needed to be found.
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it's actually a pretty fun story, but it is, to be able to share your story of how you found God, how God found you, what has changed in your life, how you felt and were, how you're rooted in life, or how you feel God has rooted himself in you.
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There's nothing before.
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It's just a place to show people that no matter where you're at, you can be found.
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he found me in nature.
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He found you on the street.
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As crazy as that sounds.
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I like to think of it more of We found him.
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We found him.
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Always.
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We just had to open our eyes.
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Yeah.
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Agreed.
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found you, what did life feel like?
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It was, lonely, heavy.
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Just'cause, felt like you're just doing it all by yourself.
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I always felt like I was fighting life, like always fighting to try to figure it out or always button against it, forcing my way through it.
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and there was a point where it was still before like I got into church and all that, where I was like, now I feel like I'm holding hands with life and just walking through life.
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Instead of fighting it, we're just So that's how I kinda look at it.
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What I used to say was life all the time.
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Now it's Jesus.
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And then what is I called Universe, was God.
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So once I started to think about it, I'm like, oh, that's not that big of a shift like it was right there the whole time, for the past year, over a year, been over a year now.
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I was, had that way of thinking and I was like, oh yeah, it was right there the whole time.
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I was just afraid to name it.
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So now I don't feel, I was like, oh, I had that idea, that long ago.
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Now I just don't feel alone because it's oh, I'm walking with, Jesus is right next to me or walking with me through all this.
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I agree with you, Matthew.
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When you say universe, nobody's walking with you.
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It's just everything.
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You say walk, not walking with God.
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Walking in God.
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Now we've got somewhere right beside me.
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I love that.
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And it gives a very clear mental picture now of who you're walking with instead of just everything.
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like just a watcher
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where
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Not really there with you just watching and then God is watching of course, but.
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When we start to stumble, catch us.
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We know somebody's there to pick us up.
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Someone to lean on.
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I'm curious, so what, before you found God, what were you rooted in?
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complex question.
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Like how far back do you want to go?
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You can go back a year, you can go back six months,
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At one point it was, a bottle would lean on pretty hard.
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And
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there was A couple years ago, probably when I first started CrossFit, it was more of leaning on myself this is how it felt, or like trying to, but then you just stumble over your own feet a lot of times.
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Then it was the idea of just something bigger, like I said, the universe.
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And stuff.
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Yeah.
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Just that concept of, okay, there's something bigger, there's something bigger going on.
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I can lean on that because it's not all on me then.
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So that helped.
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And now of course it's a lot different.
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As you started to make that shift from calling Universe to saying God, did you start to see a time in your life where you knew that there was more than just universe out there?
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Or when did you start to realize that those roots weren't enough?
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Deep down part of me,'cause like I, I was raised in church and stuff, so deep down there was always part of me that I think always knew God was there the biggest thing was, is I had issues with certain concepts of it.
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And that's what I was like, that can't be, that don't feel right to me.
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I would always kind of push back, it's but don't feel right.
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And that's why I've looked into so many different religions too,, because it's the one I was raised in, there's parts that don't feel right let's check out this one.
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Which I mean, led to like now.
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More of a Taoist belief where not forcing anything, just letting, which goes very well with, even like the concept of God is, don't force it, you just gotta let it happen naturally.
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Then looking through all the religions and whatnot, and then finally I talked to the missionaries and I was like, oh, wow.
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You guys are saying things that I've been thinking now and for the past year.
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Just like the way I'm understanding things when I'd be out on my walks or just processing life is the way that they're saying things and it's oh, so then I was having this big realization of okay, I found the one, I found that one that, that makes sense to me now.
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Right before you and I hopped on here, I was telling you about a good friend that she's a pastor, a teacher over in Ohio.
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The last time her and I met, she said something that has stuck with me.
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We won't find a church.
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The right church will find us.
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And how true that is for both of us.
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Yeah.
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When there's a need for somebody, God has a.
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They called a funny way of putting us where he needs us.
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He put you at a church that, if I'll let you explain it.
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if other people walk in and see Matthew there, they feel more comfortable walking into that church now.
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It's happened.
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Yeah, it's happened, a few times now and that, that's one of the reasons I.
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I go so often, like every event, because there've been a couple times where I was like, oh, I just don't, I don't really feel like going, but I went, and then when I would show up, there would be either somebody I knew from my past would be there and they'd be like, whoa, what are you doing here?
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And then they'd, they'd feel more comfortable and then they get talking and whatnot, and then they'll.
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I started talking to other members of the church that know more than I do.
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'cause, I'm still just a baby at this.
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So when I walked in the room, he just grabbed right on me.
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And so I'm like if I wouldn't have been there, if I wouldn't have walked in.
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He probably would've felt awkward the whole time probably.
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And'cause he didn't really that, that at that time, it's a lot of old people, the church, that church, is it dwindling?
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Like it was they lost a lot of members over the years and whatnot.
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So you have this huge gap.
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And even there isn't very many kids there anymore either.
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There's maybe a handful of kids., Other than that, they're all old people.
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And so now me being there the hope is to bring people more my age, bring life back to it.
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Whether that's why I was, pulled there or not.
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I have no idea,
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It'll happen without us trying or without us even knowing.
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It just happens, just like the handful that's already come to church.
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And if they've seen you there oh, I feel comfortable with you, or whatever that is.
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So then if they're comfortable, how many more will follow?
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How many more people start to come because they're there.
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Oh, this guy's here.
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Maybe he doesn't have tattoos and piercings, but maybe he's, who knows what he is got?
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Maybe he's got red hair and the next somebody walks in is oh, that guy's got red hair too.
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So it's interesting how we know we don't know how this thing works.
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We just know that God put you in a spot where you're making other people feel comfortable to come to church.
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God put me at a church that.
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Some other people or May and it was some people inside the church that were already there, but now they're feel comfortable sharing some things, whether it's because I'm there or not.
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So I'm hearing stories that are coming out that they haven't told before.
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So who knows?
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Yeah.
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We don't know how this thing works.
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At least I don't.
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I think too, it's, I don't look like a lot of people there.
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They're all, clean cut, Then, so people can come in and see me and they're like, whoa you don't look like the rest.
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Even though they might not look like me, they might have lived a rough life.
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And I look like I might have walked a rougher path than most.
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So then they'd feel more just comfortable in that aspect, even though like I could look at'em and be like, oh they look very clean, cut and whatever, so why are they connecting with me so much, but that's part of what we just don't know.
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That's the part we don't know.
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Yeah.
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That's why I show up.
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we're human beings, not human beings.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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there.
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I
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What began to change under the surface, how you saw yourself in the world.
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We just covered a little bit of that, of just being a person there.
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Being a comforting person.
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But have you changed the way you've seen yourself on the outside?
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When you look in the mirror?
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Do you still see the same Matthew Krantz that you saw before?
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Or do you see a different one?, It's different one for
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sure.
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I mentioned to you, it was quite a while ago, how, wanting to see myself, other people see me.
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I feel like I'm getting there, like seeing the real me.
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Which when you can start to do that, it's oh, okay.
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That's pretty eye-opening.
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When you and I first started talking, something you said to me that stuck with me was,.
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I said, I don't wanna hang out with this guy.
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And you said that has stuck with you of why does Todd wanna workout with me?
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We're completely, at the time we thought we were two different people.
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And we'd only, I'd only seen you doing stretches and we'd never really worked out.
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We never really worked out.
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So that's why I was like.
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This guy I wanna work out with me for what do I do?
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I remember just going home or we, you made a comment about looking in the mirror and thinking, I don't see what that guy, I don't see what tot tees, I don't see what, because I think other people have told you that before.
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That you're just, you're somebody comforting to be around.
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You're able to let people open up around you, but you couldn't see that in yourself.
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So it's pretty cool to hear that.
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You're starting to see that in yourself now.
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Same for me.
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It's to be able to look in the mirror and see a completely different person.
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We get to see what other people see in us.
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Now, not on ego side, but like you said, on a, on a human being level of, Hey, I know who's in, I'm starting to see who's in there.
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So it is pretty cool.
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Really working on not judging anybody.
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And it's oh, I can't judge myself then too, right?
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Because that's, if I'm judging me, there's a good chance I'm gonna judge everybody else.
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So you just gotta be kind to yourself You're kind to yourself.
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It's easier to be kind to everybody else.
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And this story's been on my mind for probably for this reason right here, Matthew, over the past couple weeks, I have thought about this story.
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I was out in San Francisco, had an experience, and I remember sitting in the middle of the room, and I remember sitting there listening to all the other 10 people that were in the room.
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There's a loud guy over here.
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There's a very quiet girl behind us.
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There was a guy I was watching him go from one person to the next and just interjected himself in their conversations.
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And as I sat there, I'm like, I can't judge these people.
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'cause I've been every one of these people.
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And now that, that again has stuck with me do I still catch myself judging people?
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I'm human.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna happen.
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But but you're right.
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It's when we don't judge ourself all the time.
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We don't judge others, and it's, I think that goes a lot for respect.
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When we start to respect ourselves, we have the ability to respect others when we start to love ourself.
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Ooh, that's a, I'll call it a dangerous weapon.
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Not really a weapon though, but when we start to love others, how easy it is to love somebody else, even though maybe they're not who we.
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How much easier it is to do that now.
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That's the love, love without expectation.
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Love without expectation.
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Yeah.
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Just like you walking into church, you were not, you didn't fit their mold when you first walked in there.
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Yeah.
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But they showed you unconditional love.
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That they show that when you walked in, they were like, oh, you got tattoos in Pearsons, you can't be here.
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No.
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They opened the door, like they held the door open for you.
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I watched them do it.
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Unconditional love, no judgements.
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They don't care what you look like, you're.
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To them.
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You're Matthew.
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Yeah.
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And that's it.
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That, and that's all that matters.
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One of the few places that I've walked into and didn't feel completely judged or even just like slightly judged, like I just didn't feel judged at all.
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And which is why I think like it was easy for me to stay there and be like, all right, let's, let's see this.
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'cause I don't wanna say I was.
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A little jealous of that, but Oh, I wanna be able to, I wanna be able to be like that and just care.
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without judgment.
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You gotta judge it before it happens.
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Before this person treats me this way.
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If I can judge them and figure it out beforehand, then they can't get me with it.
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So now it's, if it does happen, it happens.
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Whatever happens.
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But I'm not gonna judge
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a lot of it is, they don't mean to do it.
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The world treated him a certain way and made them.
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Act a certain way.
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Yeah.
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And that was that way too.
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That's how we were conditioned.
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That's how we were programmed.
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It's our lenses.
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It's our lenses., The co part is you and I have figured out how to wipe that lens clean or be able to put new glasses on.
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Sometimes, like I said, sometimes they get foggy, but being able to.
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Know that Jesus has got a Kleenex, he can wipe those goggles off for you.
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He's got the
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The lenses though, that's something I've been, looking at too.
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When I talk to people now, I can see what color their lenses are.
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So it's okay, and when I like to look at it like, the color of your lens, it stops them from seeing that color because that's the way it works, right?
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I was talking to a few people the other day and I was like, yeah, so if their lenses are yellow and then you start talking in a yellow way, they're not gonna see it.
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They're not gonna get it.
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It's just not gonna make sense to'em.
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So the key is to recognize that and then talk to'em, In blue.
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Because that makes green, they'll start, they'll see green and then they're like, oh.
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And that makes sense because it connects with both until you can shape it around and make what you're trying to get across.
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you're meeting them where they're at.
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Right.
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Find a common ground.
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And then it's like, all right, now I can show you how they connect.
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And then you can make that a decision of, do you want to go that way or.
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do you wanna see green or you keep saying yellow?
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And then, after a while, then the hope is that eventually maybe they'll be like, oh, I don't really need these colors then.
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Now that you've started going to church, now that you've have started walking with Jesus, what's your day to day, what has changed the most in your day to day?
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paying attention to how I talk, certain things I say, how I react to things.
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That's the big ones.
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other than that, just being grateful.
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Everything, not worrying so much.
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Nice.
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One of the things that you said before we hopped on air was a.
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It's eight o'clock in the morning, or it was when you got here and now it's, eight o'clock and you're here, you're bright-eyed, bushy tailed.
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What got you to start waking up at six 30?
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I had to like for a job and stuff.
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plus just being, getting back on a routine as, like just being all willy-nilly.
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It's easy for things to go not the way you want'em to.
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Taking control of your day.
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Control your morning, control your day., Being able to start the day off on a good note.
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what keeps you rooted in faith?
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learning right now having lessons with, the missionaries or even just meeting up with people from the church just to talk about stuff like, just learning more and more.
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That's, how I am.
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Like I always wanna learn.
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that's part of the whole overactive thinker type thing.
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Trying to keep the brain occupied, which has been a double-edged sword there a couple times.
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when it comes to learning, like in the Bible, my brain would automatically go to.
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It was like I was trying to find issues with it in the beginning, and it's of course if you try to find a problem, you're probably gonna find one.
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So I think of it like I was misinterpreting things because I didn't have the tools to understand them.
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Easy to do in a Bible.
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Yeah, for sure.
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especially the Bible for one, because it his King James version is what I read.
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Okay.
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So a lot of that, it's like just how they say things is confusing.
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So for me, I was like, oh, that's, that don't make sense.
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Why don't it make sense?
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And then you have to I dig and dig and dump in this rabbit hole.
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And next thing I know, it's an hour and a half later and I'm just so confused.
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I'm just like, and starting to doubt, building doubt in myself about it.
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that's happened before in life.
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that was one of the reasons I would step away.
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seeing differences or whatever where I'd be like, that don't make sense.
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Those can't be real.
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to where now?
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And then it was weird'cause back then it was always too I didn't really feel when I would get confused like that.
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It was like, I didn't really feel God.
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And that's something I've noticed has changed lately, where even when I get confused, or in my mind I'd see something and be like that contradicts, so that's not good.
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But I didn't go back to that feeling alone.
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It was like it didn't let go.
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So then I was like, all right, Let's talk to some people that know more than I do about this stuff because I'm looking at it wrong.
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And a lot of times it was, yeah, it was like, oh I've got them lenses on what am I doing?
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Wipe them off again.
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And we've had a couple of those conversations outside of this too, of what does this mean to you?
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Or whatever.
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and I've been in the same spot.
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Call somebody who knows.
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It's cool that you and I have different people that we can reach out to that have studied the Bible from cover to cover for one of the guys.
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I got about two or three guys have gone through seminary, have gone through, one guy hasn't gone through seminary, but he's studied the Bible since he was.
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Five years old and he's 16 now.
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So Hey, I got a question.
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And he can, he knows exactly where I'm at with it and he can rattle off.
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I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
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So it's nice to have those people in life.
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Yeah.
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I've mentioned that a few times where it's'cause I know there's people at the church that Yeah, they were raised in it.
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So like from a child, they've been learning this stuff and it's my church is quite a bit different than the church I was raised in.
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And now it's Mormon, which for one, I think it's interesting that I've never, there's always been Mormons around.
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I've never met a Mormon before this point in my life.
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I'm like, let's.
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That could be considered divine intervention or whatever you wanna call it.
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my pastor and I just had this conversation.
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I was out at Cameron, doing my volunteer work out there, and the lady that's in charge of the chaplains, she said she has seen it happen many times that.
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A patient will come in and the right chaplain happens to be there at the right time to have the right conversation.
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She was like, she goes, I can't understand.
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She goes, I don't know.
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It's God working, obviously, but how often that has happened.
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When I was going in for my first two interviews out there, it happened to me both times.
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I was standing in the lobby waiting to go back to have my interview and patient started talking to me.
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So she walks out, she's what are you doing?
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I'm like.
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This guy, just start talking to me here.
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You want a job, but you're right.
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There's, divine interventions, divine timing, whatever you wanna say.
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And it was like, why did I say Yeah, because most of the time people come up walking up to you, it's shit, off my property.
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What are you doing?
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I wanna talk to you.
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So you're like, do you know Jesus Christ?
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You're like that's not a good way to start a conversation.
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Most people are like, I don't wanna talk about that one.
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it takes boldness.
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Where we're at now of walking up somebody, it's our pastor, the pastor of the church I go to, one of his questions is, if you were to die tomorrow, or if you were to die tonight, where we spend eternity, like that's his lead in.
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So it's divine interventions the divine interventions, divine timing of where we're supposed to be.
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You and I met through divine timing, right?
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Who knew?
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So it's all part of the plan.
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where it goes.
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'Cause if we wouldn't have met, there's good possibility I wouldn't be where I'm at right now, for sure.
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And I will give that reflection back when I first started talking about doing a podcast or.
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Doing other stuff.
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You're like, all I gotta do is sit down in front of Mike and start talking.
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Yeah.
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Like you go, you're like, I did it for years.
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It's easy.
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Yeah.
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You just gotta hit the button.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I can do that.
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The hardest part's starting it.
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So take that step.
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just go hit the button, Todd.
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Dang it.
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I think I know which trail we're Yeah.
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if somebody's listening or whoever's listening is curious or stuck or thinks they might Wanna dip their toe and go into church or dip their toe in following Jesus, what would you want them to know?
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Not to be afraid to speak up about anything.
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Because you're gonna have questions and a lot of people just, I'm assuming, because I think it's human nature, a lot of that's where you're being afraid to be judged.
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So you're not gonna speak up about things.
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It if something about, the Bible or, whatever religion and whatever religion, religious books you're reading or whatever, studying, if it doesn't make sense to you.
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I feel like a lot of people are like, oh, no I don't wanna offend them because what I'm thinking right now isn't going with what they're thinking.
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So I could offend them because, religion, that's a touchy subject.
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Like usually if you have a opposing idea, people could offended pretty easily.
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And then with religion just intensifies it because usually that's felt very deep.
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I found like it, if you do speak up and have questions right, and they get super offended, maybe that's not the right religion for you.
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Honestly, because it really shouldn't be that way.
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you should be able to have a conversation with the church that you're with or your pastor or teacher, leader, whoever.
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And I think you said too, even if it's not a, even if it's not a religion, even, whatever the community is, you should feel safe to be able to ask a question.
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Whether it's a CrossFit gym or whatever.
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Wherever you're at, you should be able to feel safe doing, asking questions
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without judgment or without being defended
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Yeah, If not, then that's usually a pretty clear indicator that maybe you shouldn't be there in the wrong spot.
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Yeah.
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You're a square peg trying to fit in a round hole type of deal.
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find your square hole.
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Man.
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Last question.
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One of my favorites.
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What's next?
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Going farther within the church, learning more about it.
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like I know I have, I'm working towards my, priesthood now.
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Okay.
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Which is something I never thought like what ordained a priest?
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Come on now.
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And knowing how many, the thought of it even is kinda like me, I've never seen a priest with face piercings and neck tattoos and Even though I feel like that's something I've I think about quite a bit is how much the gym is, like it's taking care of your body and I think people overlook that an awful lot.
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Agreed.
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Because it's your body's a temple.
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And it's it is.
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What kind of storms can your body handle?
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What can
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When we go into church, what's the first thing they offer?
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it's pies, cookies.
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Sweetss.
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Are we truly treating our body as a temple?
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If we're doing that all the time, obviously we don't eat.
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Like I hope they, they don't all eat like that all the time.
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It's for special occasions.
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maybe you and I are there to help churches get healthy too.
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You and I have made a huge turn in life of getting healthy.
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Were being put into spots also to help the churches physically get healthier.
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yeah.
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Yeah.
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They could use a walk, they could use some apples and bananas instead of cookies and pies.
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not judging, just stating the fact don't conform to the world, let the world conform to you kind of thing.
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maybe the church needs a little bit of Matthew and Todd of some healthy aspects of coming into it.
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Of, yeah.
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Bringing our knowledge of food.
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Gym time walking in nature.
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It doesn't cost anything to go for a walk at Po Hagan.
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And you should, go once a week and what, after seven weeks?
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Yeah.
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And honestly, should be going at least once a week.
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At least get out there.
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Yep.
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Breathe fresh air.
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Yeah.
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how much time did Jesus spend out in nature?
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Yeah.
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Eh, a lot of time, a lot of time.
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Actually had a conversation with a guy is, he's an elder in the church now.
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He's got this big old beard and it's a glorious beard, like it's so epic.
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but he, his, he's his, parents are old they're like old style Mormon, so very strict on everything.
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And he said his mom would always, or his, yeah.
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His mom or his grandma.
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Anyways, they would get on him about his beard, and I was like that don't make sense.
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I was like, Jesus had a beard.
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He's yeah, and he wore sandals.
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And I was like, yeah, he did.
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Speaking about love and peace pretty much the whole time, right?
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Walking around his sandals and robe, like he just,
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Disruptive thinker.
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Yeah, for sure.
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It takes more of those people in life.
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there's a guy I just met.
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it was one of the lessons I sat in on.
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He's going through a lot, I guess I've been blessed to go through those same things so I can talk to him a little bit about it, maybe help him out, hopefully, He's an overactive thinker and stuff, and I mentioned that.
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I'm like, the way he was talking and everything, I'm like, that disruptive thinker.
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He is yeah.
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I was like,'cause you think different than everybody else.
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But that's a good thing sometimes.
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'cause that gives people that shift.
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Like they would never have thought that way.
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But it's oh now they're like, oh interesting.
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Now they start.
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I just put a post on social media yesterday.
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I was looking out my kitchen window.
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All I could see was gray sky.
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I literally went to the other side of the table three feet away and there's a awesome, like a beautiful sunrise.
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I'm like, how much of a difference three feet makes?
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Changed my whole attitude for the day.
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I'm like, oh, all I had to do is move my seat at the table.
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and
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have a
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completely different day.
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That's the biggest thing too, is like you could have just sat there and been like, Ugh, gray sky.
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But it's, you're like, oh, it looks gloomy out.
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Got up, moved, This.
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Don't look right to me.
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Get up and Move.
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It's okay.
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You're allowed to move.
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You're in a tree.
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Yeah.
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we're rooted, right?
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Yeah.
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Rooted in faith, but we don't have to, but we can move.
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Yeah.
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We're rooted in faith, but we're able to travel with it.
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We're able to walk with Matthew.
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Thanks for trusting me.
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And thanks for trusting that this story will get shared with some listeners.
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what stuck with me about this conversation today was we can come from anywhere and find Jesus.
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We'll find us, God will find us so we can walk in.
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Faith.
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Doesn't matter if you have neck tattoos, piercings, or it doesn't matter if you have a gigantic, glorious period.
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Whatever you have, you can stay rooted in your faith.
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It doesn't matter.
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How people judge us from the outside.
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It's how we look at ourselves from the inside.
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if you're listening to something in this story stirred in you, and you don't have to rush it, sometimes the most important part is not noticing what's taking root and not, and so other times what's not taking root.
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So if this conversation resonates, you're welcome to share it with someone who might need it or.
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Simply sit with it and you can listen to it again.
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Matthew, thanks for being here.
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This is rooted.
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Thanks for reminding me.
