Performative Authenticity Called And It Wants Its Brand Back, with Ariel Ziegler

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Let's go full stand then.
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We're already rolling.
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I mean well, people I've said before that subconscious has an almost autoimmune disorder.
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Cause it's like, oh wait, that yeah.
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That that stuff?
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Yeah, you mean that stuff?
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I have to look at that?
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Mm-mm.
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I've had I've had people whose uh relatives have passed away on the same day that I've lost relatives who shared birthdays with me.
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Like like funny and they still go, I just I don't know what I'm gonna get out of this.
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So like I I just I I I'm not gonna do this.
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Confirm the confirmation bias of the mind is continues to astound me.
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Oh the way that childless people will say that life's best without kids and kids with people with kids will say life's best with kids.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations.
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Well, uh, you know this.
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The identity all always seeks experiences to reinforce its sense of identity because it doesn't want to dissolve itself, and it's only when we push it to actually face the narratives and and ask the questions and sit with the sensation that it starts to actually unravel and dissolve, and then it no longer actually exists.
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What a paradox though, that to get to a place of true authenticity, you have to dissolve what bit of you the there you thought there was.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like that's it, and to me, like the the realm that you know, the online coaching space, you know, the online education space in 2020 was predicted to 20x or whatever throughout the decade.
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Here we are, halfway through, and you got everybody hooting and hollering about authenticity.
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But like how much of that is just performative man.
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Hold on.
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I would help, but I can't.
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I mean a Heimlich.
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Um how much of that is just performative authenticity?
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100%.
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It's the cool new thing, right?
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Just like fucking everybody's talking.
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Oh my god.
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The amount of times that I have been ahead of the trend, I would be a billionaire by now.
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Oh, gee.
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I I l I have a YouTube video about this.
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Oh, do you really?
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Yeah, about like and it was it was one of my just off the cuff rants because same.
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Um oh, what do you know?
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We've both been ahead of the trend.
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We're both doing similar stuff.
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I was talking about the gut microbiome, talking about identities, talking about nervous system.
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It's all Hooten and Hollering now, and I'm like, I've only been doing this work for almost five years.
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I know.
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I I had uh call it a mindset blog back when I before we changed locations in the gym.
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Um, so this would have been 2016 or 2017.
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And like a lot of the stuff that like people are hoot to use your words, hooting and hollering about online now.
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And uh it's it's really interesting the further that people get away from themselves online, the more that they preach about authenticity, preach about all this, but like how many of them are actually doing it?
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Power versus force, right?
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Break that open at least the other is quiet.
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Uh so the well, okay, Western civilization, right?
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Well, Western civilization calls this power is actually force.
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It's only by forcing my way into this that I'm able to create XYZ.
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And you know it's never about the XYZ, right?
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It's about the sensation and emotion that's attached to the XYZ.
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The tangible, the 3D is the seeking of the ethereal, right?
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The 5D underneath it.
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Um, but force is always loud.
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You know, you force your way.
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I'm I, you know, I mean I whatever you believe about our current president, um, whatever you believe about different powers that be, right?
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They're very loud, but they're not very powerful.
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And you can see that because now that the illusion is starting to actually dissolve and people are aware of what's actually going on, they're not following those leaders anymore because it's force, it's not power.
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Whereas when someone is powerful, you can see as they walk into the room because they don't have to speak, it's an energy.
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Authenticity is the highest, we know this now, right, with electrical scans, that authenticity is the highest frequency that exists in this reality, above even love.
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And that's the beautiful thing about right now with science, you know, is quantum entanglement, mechanics, all that is proving things like magic, clairvoyance, clairsentience, telekinesis, telepathy.
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It's all real, it's always been real, but we've been conditioned to believe it's not because guess what?
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Science can then rule us, society can now rule us and create this illusion of power and hierarchy outside of ourselves because they are terrified of us remembering who we are, which means they no longer have power.
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Bingo, and we're like, we're just going straight there with it.
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My brother sent one of the last TikToks my brother sent me before he died suddenly in fall of 2021.
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He was a millennial male that died suddenly in fall of 2021.
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I'll let everybody connect the dots on that one.
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Uh, one of the last TikToks that he sent me was uh an individual talking about American politics and how it's pro-wrestling for adults.
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I can I like that.
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I really like that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and it's it's so curious to me that you know most of the time uh people think they're thinking when really what they're read uh what they're doing is reinforcing uh their programming.
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Yes.
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Every time you act upon the narrative, you make the narrative stronger.
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I actually just got off my client's call with that.
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She's like, Well, how do I change it?
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And I was like, Well, yes, sit in it.
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It's like a hard reset.
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Imagine that we don't act on the narrative that isn't even us a crazy idea.
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But but if if I if I if I dissolve myself, then who will I be?
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Sit on your fucking hands.
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Like I literally, I literally got back from a two-day VIP VIP.
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So I do VIP experiences in person and we try like we do all the behavior work and then we do it in uncontrolled situations.
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In real time, she's like, How do I do that?
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I was like, sit on your fucking hands.
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Like she's like, really?
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I was like, Yeah, just sit on your hands.
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Like literally, because that was what she did.
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Because the body is conditioned to chaos and movement being the norm because of the traumatic upbringing.
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And while, you know, the brain and body only ever know a concept of now, not potential.
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As long as you act upon that, you reinforce the chaos within the nervous system and you wonder why you're dysregulated.
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So I she's like, What do I do?
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I was like, I literally just want you to sit for five minutes.
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You can go and do all the different things afterwards.
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She started doing it, her entire fucking life changed.
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It's crazy, right?
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Like I interrupt.
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That's all you need.
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The pattern interrupt.
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I've prescribed to people, like, hey, no music, no podcasts in the car.
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Yep.
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Like, like, oh my god, I can hear myself think.
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Really?
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You mean you haven't heard that in a while?
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And and like we're being kind of afraid of it.
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Well, okay, well, let's break that open, you know.
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I, you know, I've broken open for you a little bit how I work, but when we get a story titled out, especially the guys, right?
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Some the women, yes, and especially the guys, and be like, uh, I wrote that out.
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I don't think I need to read it though.
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I think I think it's good, it's good.
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And without fail, those are the ones that it's like a nine out of ten emotion.
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They text me the next morning, lose their shit.
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Yeah, they're like, what the hell?
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I woke up at 3 a.m.
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sweating like I was detoxing from a night of drinking.
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Yeah, because it was stored in your tissues, dumbass.
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I this is that's why I love working with men, because like they're like, oh my god, I never experienced this.
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I'm like, welcome to being a human.
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Congratulations.
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I've had individuals that are 45 and older go, I'll be like, hey, what's going on over there through the other side of the zoom screen?
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They're like, oh, silence.
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And they'll say, uh, and I've heard this numerous times, a deafening level of silence.
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Yes.
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Because they've never fucking heard it before.
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Nope.
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And like, and you know, and specifically, you know, and this this transcends online coaching, it goes across business owners, whatever.
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Specifically in the online coaching world, I find such a fucking paradox because you have these people that are claiming to, and like, you don't know what you don't know, and I could totally give these people grace.
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I'm gonna choose to be a little spicy about it, though.
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Because you're teaching your clients about mindset, right?
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You're like, oh, well, you gotta focus on the good, you gotta do this, you gotta do that.
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All the while you're trying to run from the noise in your head and bury it with a ten thousand dollar, twenty thousand dollar, thirty thousand dollar, hundred thousand dollar month, thinking that that will prove to you that that noise isn't real, but it's always one dollar behind what you're earning.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Make it make sense.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't.
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And that's the hilarious thing is that the mind runs off of logics and analytics, but then when you actually prove it to the person who has the spacing capacity, you see it, they see the glitch and they're like, holy fucking shit.
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I have been running my entire life off of this narrative that doesn't even exist.
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And the thing that I am seeking, like I I read uh there was one gentleman he said, I bought the Lambo, and after fucking 20 years of pursuing, I drove off and I felt a void, right?
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Uh I think I had that real in my story.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep, yep.
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And it's because the thing that he's seeking is not that.
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It's the validation, it's the love, it's the worth, it's the acceptance that his father, mother, whoever that he was looking up to told him he had to chase.
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Yeah.
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Now because we are conditioned to believe that these things are outside of ourselves when it's actually ourselves that we're not meeting.
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But Ariel, I didn't get hit when I was growing up.
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I didn't get like sexually abused.
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Like, I I'm fine.
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I I'm just driven.
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Are you driven?
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Where are you coming from?
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Like, is it coming from a stase of fulfillment and from happiness?
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99.9% of them?
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No, I'm afraid.
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What are you afraid of?
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I'm afraid I'm not worthy, I'm not loved, I'm not validated.
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Well, guess what?
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The things that you're doing right now are not going to accomplish that.
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That is solved by you sitting with yourself.
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100%.
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And and like, how many of them are just absolutely terrified, whether they can articulate this or not?
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It's all they've ever known.
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So if they change it, where will the where will their fuel now come from?
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Exactly.
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And they're terrified because guess what?
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99% of them are actually under a business.
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Like they fucking hate, and they want to burn to the ground.
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Oh, I've been in rooms of people that go, Oh, yeah, I want to burn my business down.
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Everybody else is they all all the time.
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They all raise their hands, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I'm like, that's not normal.
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Like it is the norm.
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It is not healthy.
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Exactly.
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But I think both of you and I are here to change the status quo.
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So 100%.
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Change the status quo, and uh to some people we sound like a couple of kooks.
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Oh, we do, but logically, we make perfect sense.
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Yeah, well that's the irony, also.
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Yeah, and then I mean we we do different prac different practices, different modalities, similar outcomes for our clients.
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Um how many times have you had a client get to a point where like they come to you for something kind of tactical?
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And then next thing you know, the nudges, the single, whatever you want to call it, is just lining up in their life on levels that they can't even fathom.
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Yep.
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Every single almost every single time.
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And the majority, I mean, that the majority of business owners come with like because I work primarily with driven entrepreneurs owners, but 99% of driven individuals, like you said, are high, high achieving.
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It's wounding.
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Yeah, it's wounding.
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I mean, that was me for a decade.
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I was number one in the company for every single uh gym that I worked for for months, if not years, on end.
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Um, one of my old bosses said, Ariel, you're a master coper, but those boxes are gonna explode one day.
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And in 2020, they did with my second suicidal attempt.
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Um, and that's when I actually met Will was through the first business master of mine, and we worked together.
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So um I know what it's like from the inside, from being in that mental prison, as I know you do it as well for a decade.
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I was running, I was seeking, I was chasing, but I'm gonna tell you right now, those things I was seeking were not outside me.
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You know, the all the money, all the accolades, all the awards, none of it meant anything because I it was I was told that I had to find this outside me.
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And we all are, right?
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And to be fair, we're kids, right?
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Our brains are going through a state of development that is the same as hypnosis.
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And we think mom and dad are God, but they're not, they're just like us right now.
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And all this is about going back and reparenting ourselves the way that we didn't get parents.
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Well said, yeah, it's our little kid brains, like you said, ascribe this emotional meaning to whatever happened, and then sometimes we don't even get to complete that emotional loop, so then that it's like, all right, well, now I I never felt that all the way through.
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And to quote uh Joseph Campbell, any feeling felt fully is bliss, yep, because you get to get it up and out and all the way out, correct?
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Yeah, so like we go back in, like, what if what crazy idea?
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What if we actually go feel the things we've been running from and using as fuel?
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And now I'll I'll I'll put this disclaimer out there.
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You might actually want to burn it all down for a minute.
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Some people might.
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You might decide that you're not running the business you want, but guess what?
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Five years from now, one year from now, two years from now, even six months from now, you're gonna be a whole lot happier.
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Yep.
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100%.
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I've actually had bit clients who totally shut their businesses down and like sold it off.
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Yeah.
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It alleviated a pressure they you know this, they didn't even know the pressure existed until it was gone.
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When I've anxiety, their weight, their relationships, everything cleared up organically.
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They pursued a passionate pursuit, and within six months they were able to make very close to the income that they had been making before.
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It's it's it's almost like if you stick to like if you clear out the stories you picked up from people, and you go with your specific zone of genius that has lived inside of you, like I think the etymology, I think it's the etymology of genius that it's a like you're it's an innate thing you're born with.
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Yep.
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So if you go with your genius, it's almost like you can create more magic, and you are there's you are now the specific puzzle piece that belongs in the world, so now there's more divinity in the world, more magic, and you experience more magic in your life.
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But what do I know?
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I have no idea we're talking about it's not like you're living a life that you really love and enjoy and are able to make um fairly decent living out of it.
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It's not like I have a fifty thousand dollar a month plaque sitting there or anything.
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No, no, no, no, working working and living and enjoying your life with your kids, your kids.
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Not like I cry tears of gratitude when my daughter says things twice a week.
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Like, no.
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No, it's not like I'm pursuing a fight career, it's not like I'm driving the car in my dreams, it's not like I own two different properties, it's not like I'm able to pay for the trips of my family and they not have to worry across to Hawaii and across the country.
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No, none none of that.
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No, no, we don't know what we're talking about.
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No, no, just a couple of conspiracy theories evidently.
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Oh man, we're gonna put this one inside of a couple groups we're both in and uh have them have them chuckle.
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So if we pull this back and we we take the the spice, oh we'll leave the spice on it, but if we make it a little proud, like where do people start?
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Right?
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If if they're listening to this and they have that fear and or maybe even a little bit of a disbelief, where do they start?
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Sitting with themselves.
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Yeah, but I just sit with myself.
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I go I go all day with my business, and then by the time I go to bed, like I just I have to talk to my partner a little bit, and then I'm beat, and then I'm I need to get to sleep.
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How much longer are you gonna be running?
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But uh well can you run until things collapse?
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I just need like two more years, and then I'll have enough to retire.
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What are you afraid of?
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Well, but but nothing.
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Nothing.
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I just I'm just going until I retire.
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I'm not afraid.
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That's a lie.
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I know.
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Right?
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I and I will call them out point blank.
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You're lying.
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Yeah.
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You're lying to yourself, and you're lying to me.
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So what's really underneath that?
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Yeah.
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And that's, you know, and I'll I'll say this, like you know, I've I think I told you I'll go a little bit too far into like the the mystic on the mountain.
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The I was like, I I don't got anything to fucking teach you.
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Like I because at a certain point, I'm like, I I am not pulling people across the line anymore.
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No, that's not a responsibility.
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It's like you can show them door, you cannot move them through the door.
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No, and those are the people that are typically not really ready to change.
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No, no, if you have to hard sell this kind of stuff that we're talking about, it's good luck.
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Like, I I had an individual one time, he was referred to me.
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And this was when I was still doing this work, but fitness and as the it was when I was had just shut my gym down, but I had this toolkit and he came to me, his divorce was gonna cost him three million dollars.
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Three million dollars, his divorce would cost him three million dollars.
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So when I told him, like, one, it was my first lesson in do deeper discovery and if make sure you charge a rate that'll get somebody to actually buy in.
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Because when I told him I rate, he's like, Oh, yeah, you take Zell?
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Yeah, like, all right, yeah, okay, should have been more money.
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And two, trying to get this guy to write anything down or to go into anything, it was like two sentences.
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Yep.
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This happened.
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Hey, bud, when I came to golf because he was local, he got I'm like, hey, when I came to golf with you, and then we were sitting out back smoking those cigars that probably cost more than my forerunner.
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Um uh you like painted me a vivid picture of that time at Christmas that your dad said that mean thing.
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Write that down.
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He still still couldn't do it.
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And it's like Rudolf Steiner.
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I was listening, I was listening to Rudolf Steiner book, and he's talking about I'm gonna find the quote in a second here and play it because I have a screen recording.
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He's essentially talking about that like the the initiate has uh a responsibility to share his knowledge with anybody with with from whom they would benefit, and also has a responsibility to not push the knowledge on anybody who's not ready.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do you want me to witness or do you want me to give solutions?
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That's just it.
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And yeah, I call that like all the all the right answers coaching.
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Right.
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And it's tempting as a coach, right?
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Well, when we give advice without the opening to do so, it's I mean, it's mental trespassing.
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But typically speaking, yes, if someone's entered a container, then you have by default been given the in to be able to do that.
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But you know as well as I do, a lot of people they just want validation.
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Yeah.
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So if you want validation, go to therapy.
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Yep.
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I've heard one.
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I mean, how many of your clients have come to you and ended up firing their therapist?
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Almost all of them.
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Because a lot of them have reached so the majority of my clients have gone to therapy and it didn't work, or they're in therapy and it's not working.
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And this is not to this is not to to hash on on therapy.
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Therapy is great for speaking on things, but it is not great for changing things.
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It that's simple.
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And so for some people, they literally just want to be heard.
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Cool.
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That's not what I'm here for.
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I'm here to provide solutions and help you get out of your own way because every single one of us is actually born with the tools to get out of our own way, but we're conditioned to believe otherwise.
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Well said.
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Yeah, the uh the first time that happened to me, I was early early on into like incorporating this work in my fitness stuff.
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This guy showed up to a second call with me after one call, and he goes, So I fired my therapist after last week.
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I was like, Well, I didn't tell you to do that, but cool.
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Okay, I had to set it up.
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My very first$15,000 client, like three years ago.
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We sat there and I I think it was like 15 minutes in, and I explained a concept to him, and he's like, Tell me why my therapist couldn't explain that better to me, and I've been with her for five years.
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He's like, I don't care what it costs, I'm firing her and I'm hiring you.
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Dude was fifty thousand dollars in debt.
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Oh yeah.
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You know, and I know there's coaches that listen to this, people have followed me since I co-hosted the Getin' Lifted podcast for a couple seasons, who who do mindset work and like listen to that for a second.
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Fifteen thousand dollar client on like call it what you want to call it, mindset, personal development, setting somebody free.
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Because whether it's fitness or business or whatever, that's what most people are after, right?
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Is freedom.
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He was gonna kill himself.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I I put a post out a couple years ago about how I used to think it was normal to just wake up and ponder what a nine millimeter tasted like.
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I saw that.
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I loved that post.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Um it's uh I didn't realize it wasn't normal until I said it in front of somebody.
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They're like, uh, I don't think you're supposed to say that stuff out loud.
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It's like, oh shit.
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Oh shit.
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I used to I used to fantasize about what a hospital bed would look like because I was so exhausted all the time.
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And how I would push myself in 16-hour days.
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I was like, you know what?
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What if my body just collapsed?
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Then I could then I could go sit in the hospital bed because I was a chronic people pleaser.
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I uh in the Navy we have you know ladder wells that are nice and steep.
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I used to just stand at the top of them thinking, what if I just slipped from the top?
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What would happen?
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Yeah.
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How painful would that be?
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Yeah.
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Would now not the the question was always like a life being paralyzed would suck.
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So like it would have to, it would have to there would have to be finality to this.
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Uh there the fact that I couldn't guarantee that was probably part of the reason I never did it.
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Um make sure that the great white shark didn't eat more whatever.
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Exactly.
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It's like you can chum the waters, but if you if you only leave with half a leg gone, then now life's just a little bit more annoying.
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A little more miserable.
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Yeah.
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I think after my I think a six-near death experience, one time I collapsed at work and I was a talking head for six hours.
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That was great.
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I thought I would never be able to walk again.
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That was from a panic attack, a nerve suppression and panic attack.
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What's uh what's an NDE like?
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You realize what's real and what's not.
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What's real?
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None of this.
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None of this.
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Um I mean, even that you don't know because when you I well, I mean the most the most expansive one was definitely the um 2022 where I flipped across the Austin, Texas freeway, and I literally remember hitting the medium barrier, flipping three times, leaving my body, hearing you're going down the rabbit hole, seeing a giant gray void.
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All these beings were on either side, but it wasn't scary.
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I had no body, it was just consciousness, it was just like this feeling of floating, and it felt like love.
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And I was like, this is nice, almost like a womb.
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And I was like, I like this, and it was this warm welcome, and then I heard it's not your time yet, and I very rudely was sucked back into my body.
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And when I came back, there was still this sense of peace.
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Like I couldn't feel my body, my arm was ripped open to the bone, the car was completely crashed in on itself, and I was just like, Okay, maybe we move again, maybe we walk again, maybe not.
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It's okay.
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And then everybody's screaming, Are you alive?
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Are you alive?
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Are you alive?
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I'm like, Yeah, I'm alive.
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And then I go into the EMTs and they're like, Do you want some fentanyl?
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And I'm like, Isn't that the shit that people are addicted to?
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They're like, Well, that looks painful, and my arms flayed open.
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I was like, Okay, I'll try it.
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Um, yeah, that was a crazy 24 hours, and then I was bitten by a rattlesnake a month later.
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Man, some you know that they say God whispers, and if you don't listen, he shouts.
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Beat upside the head.
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I literally heard when I went onto that trail, do not go on this trail.
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And I was like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
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Yeah.
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The ego mind was like, yeah, no, he was like, you're gonna be fine.
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And then I felt a fucking sharp pain in the back of my ankle.
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I turn around and a six-foot rattlesnake is recoiling.
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Yep.
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And I was like, All right, ran a quarter of a mile over, jumped over barbed barbed wire.
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By the time I got there, already up to my knee, I couldn't feel it, and then my entire body was paralyzed for like eight hours while I was waiting for poison control.
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Because poison control will not emit, they won't give you the anti-venom unless they know it's not a dry bite because the anti-venom is actually the venom.
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So they don't want to throw you into that, yeah.
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But I mean, I still remember sitting there and my my family friend is like freaking out and I'm laughing, literally laughing, and my face is twitching like something out of the exorcism, and I'm like, okay, God, I get it.
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No more pursuing egoic thought.
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So ever since then, the narrative never dictates my choices.
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So, what does dictate your choices?
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Knowing what do you mean?
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It's a feeling.
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It's a sensation, it's a draw, it's a dr.
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It's it is not thought process.
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Thought process will lay out some certain analytical and logical steps once I know, which is a feeling, it's a sensation, um, what do they call it?
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Clear sentience as to where to go.
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I I like that.
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You know, I heard it explained one time, and I I've parroted this since then.
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You know, people say the phrase makes sense.
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And they'll say that like like, oh yeah, well, it makes sense up in their head.
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No, like sense.
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What is a sense?
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It's a felt experience.
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Exactly.
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So when something makes sense, like in your body, in your heart, that's that's a compass.
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And we are so conditioned to be disconnected from it.
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I can I can feel people listening to this, because time's imaginary.
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I can feel people listening to this right now, resistant to it, right?
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Like something inside of them knows that they've been ignoring the knowing inside of them.
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That they have been saying, oh well, I just need to focus on my efficiency of my systems and my team and my marketing and my fulfillment, and everything will be okay.
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Who is the eye that is focusing?
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Do they know?
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Well, if you can observe it, is it you?
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It comes and goes, yet you are present.
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Can't be you.
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Exactly.
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Uh that's but they're like, oh well, my arm, my eye, my nose, my ear.
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But I who the fuck who the fuck is the I?
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Yeah.
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I'm arguing with myself.
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No, you're arguing with one thought that's arguing with another thought, and you're self-identifying with one thought, but neither of them are actually you.
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Exactly.
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People will continue to cling on to one thought and one narrative, even though it feels like twisted barbed wire inside of their body.
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:49.039
Well, but the barbed wire barbed wire feels safe and it's known to the narrative, so that's why they cling.
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It's known.
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That's quote unquote safe.
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Yeah, safety here.
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Safety and comp comfort are quite often contemplated one for the other when they're not the same.
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Because what is safe is actually quite often not comfortable.
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No.
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No.
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Um, it's like it's not safe to sit by the fire and starve when going out in the darkness is how you hunt.
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Because you're putting food on the table.
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Yeah.
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And the the scary thing about the unknown is people only know what they stand to lose.
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So, like, well, what if I lose this sense of identity?
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Spoiler alert, you will.
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You absolutely will.
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But that's the beauty of it, right?
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Because now the mind's not attaching to predetermined experiences, and you actually are able to see the pull the full potential of opportunities that have been waiting there for you, but you're so heavily associated with the thing that's not serving you, you can't even see the very solution that's right in front of your nose.
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100%.
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You know, when uh when I first got into this work, I mean, I was a gym owner.
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And I was like, we sold personal training, and I had a I had a team of like four four coaches that worked for me, you know, whatever.
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And I was in a like$2,000 a month mentorship for gyms and brick and mortars.
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And I got into this work, and over the course of a few months, the guy who ran that mentorship didn't know I was doing this on, you know, and getting in.
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He goes, I don't know what it is, but something's changed.
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He's like, You seem like, and at the time, like Marcus Philly was a really big name, and like the CrossFit space, it seems like you're gonna you're gonna like be like a Marcus Philly or something.
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.319
You know, it's like and to your point about authenticity, you know.
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I mean, grandfather clocks, right?
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They they all fall in sync with the biggest one in the room.
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And I I've time and time again have used you know authenticity is becoming your own biggest grandfather clock.
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I like that.
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Thank you.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.839
Um you know about the three degrees of influence?
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:51.839
I have not heard that one before.
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Your habits, actions, behaviors, addictions, beliefs, etc., are contagious to your friends, friends, friends.
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So to me, when
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You peel back the layers, let go of three degrees of separation in a way.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um so when you peel back the layers and peel back the layers of yourself, let go of yourself so you can get back to yourself.
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Well, now you are your own biggest grandfather clock and you can send out really, really cool stuff three degrees and filter what comes back.
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I like that.
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I uh right that I feel like that's the sauce right there.
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Like that's what most people are after.
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But hey, let me let me hit$50,000 a month as as something that has really good profit margins, and then think that for my ego, I need to go to$100,000 a month with$50,000 a month of overhead.
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Because that makes perfect sense.
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Makes perfect fucking sense, right?
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:56.319
Like why why would I why would I abandon$30,000 a month in profit to with a business that is lean and reliable to try and go up to something more valid?
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.680
Losing myself in the process, and the whole reason why I said I built the legacy in the first place.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.920
My old brand primal man pathway.
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.079
My goal was to help the man who had lost himself to win the rat race.
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:16.799
Yeah, it's but hey guys, let's go.
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:23.839
But hey, let's go buy Hormozy's book and then how's the back of your head?
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.880
I'm really curious how the back of your head looks because I saw your eyes just roll all the way down.
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.279
That gentleman is so wounded.
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.480
Yep.
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.920
So wounded.
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:45.440
He has some beautiful, and the the sad thing is, and I don't know if he'll ever come to awareness in that degree, he has some beautiful insights.
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.880
He really does.
00:31:46.960 --> 00:32:02.319
And he has a degree, like if he decided to step outside of his abandonment and his scarcity programming, I mean, actually, he would be an amazing person to help lead the world because he has so much respect behind him already.
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:10.079
But he would have to abandon part of the things that very that created the very foundation of the thing, the empire that he's living in, yeah.
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.359
And I don't know if he's going to.
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.000
Yeah, he has because he does have a level of awareness around it.
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.119
He's oh, he totally does.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.920
He tells the story about like his janitor, who was the happiest person he's ever met.
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.079
Like he has that level of awareness.
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.839
You know, Hormosian individuals like him might fall into this.
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:32.319
I used to say that if we aerosolized five MEO DMT and dropped it over the capitals of the world, we'd fall everything.
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.039
Like Is the world ready for that?
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.799
Well, that's why like you only do it with like political heads, right?
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.960
Because like either you break them or you make them.
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:43.920
Literally.
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:44.960
Literally.
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:45.680
Yeah.
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:56.640
So you know, you're not gonna do it to like your aunt who you love because like she can walk her own journey, but people who are in charge of powerful nation states, either break them or make them.
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:57.279
Yep.
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.799
I think it's a great idea.
00:32:58.960 --> 00:32:59.599
What do we do?
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.920
Well, I'll put I'll I'll put you on the board.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.960
We might have to put part of this underground.
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:20.480
I I mean, if six months from now things ran don't know who where that came from, but anyway, I'm like I but yeah, I mean that's and that goes right there.
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.160
That's the hustle grind mentality, right?
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:23.599
It's the Western indoctrination.
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:31.359
But to be fair, to be fair, then the esoterics and the spirituals go a little too hard on the other side, which creates this giant rift, right?
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.720
Yes, and I'm a firm believer in the middle path, right?
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:43.359
I do believe there has to be a degree of structure, and I hate the word discipline, but structure from a place of passion, not pain, to be able to create, right?
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.359
Because then it's literally like a ladder.
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:53.680
What happens with the awakened community, and that was me for maybe about three months, and I was like, hold on, this doesn't make any fucking sense, is they spin out, right?
00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:04.799
It's like, okay, I'm aware of what I am, you know, an ethereal being inside of a human meat suit that is an extrapolation of God that is literally made in his image, that is here to create just like he did, right?
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.440
Cool.
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.480
All right, what the fuck is this mess?
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:09.840
Right?
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.920
Why am I here?
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:12.320
Right?
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:17.519
And there are so many of those individuals who become awake and they're like, Why the fuck am I here?
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:18.079
Fuck this.
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:19.360
It's all it's all fake anyway.
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.840
And I'm like, Yeah, but this is a reality, right?
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.840
And you're meant to master this game so you can go into the next one.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.840
And if not, you're gonna just and they're like, I don't know how to go to work.
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:40.320
I don't and believe it or not, for about a year, those were the primary people I worked with was the spiritualists who spun out, had businesses, never made money because they couldn't ground back into the body.
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:48.480
And that's actually why nervous system work was so huge for me personally, was like pulling that all back into the body, integrating that work.
00:34:48.559 --> 00:35:06.079
And the that's the problem with the medicine journey community, is they get so addicted to the medicine and they don't integrate any of it that they don't know how to navigate this world, and they become addicted then on plant medicine, and they're codependent on plant medicine to be able to navigate this world, and they're just constantly jumping from ayahuasca to ayahuasca.
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.000
Yeah, ibogaine to DMT to psilocybin's.
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.400
No, I I had three rides on five MEO within a year.
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.159
Oh wow, that's a fair amount.
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:16.800
Uh-huh.
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:17.199
Yeah.
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.000
I I haven't had a high dose of psychedelics since then.
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.119
You don't need it.
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.000
No, you don't.
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.199
Like uh one of my favorite metaphysical authors, Stuart Wilde.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.800
Um I love him.
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:28.880
Awesome.
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.639
Uh did I did I turn you on to him, or have we just talked about it?
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:32.880
Yeah.
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:33.920
Well, it's funny.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:44.000
Actually, as soon as you said it, the next night I went to I I call him like the sage of the wanderer in my life, and he literally talked about Stuart Wilde as a game kidding.
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.519
Yeah, color me shocked.
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.159
Yeah.
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:56.639
Stu Stewie says in one of his books about he's like, Yeah, like maybe one time on LSD, uh, like take some DMT once and then call it a day.
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:57.360
Literally.
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.039
Like, like, yeah.
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:01.760
It's okay.
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.199
You can you don't need to call it many, you can just say, I'm gonna go get high with my friends and float around the universe.
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.159
You can you can say that it's a lot.
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:11.519
I'm not gonna judge you.
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:21.360
I committed to three years of deep work to before I touched anything because I had a history of um drug addiction and anorexia nervosa.
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.440
I had an addictive tendency, personality.
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:24.800
So I literally waited.
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.719
I was like, I'm not touching anything, I'm gonna make sure that I work through a solid portion of this stuff before I touch anything.
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.079
And finally, one year I got the hit go do a mushroom journey.
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.760
Never did mushrooms in my life.
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.440
I only did two grams.
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:44.800
I looked in the mirror, I still remember, and I fell in the mirror and I came back out, and I had had dysmorphia my whole life.
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.719
Like I hated my physicality.
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.639
Um, it's what created anorexia nervosa, healed up dysmorphia.
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.199
Yep, but then I went back and I didn't touch anything, like, and I've not needed it.
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.360
Yeah, that's the thing.
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:59.760
There there's there's magic to when it finds you, too.
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:06.880
Like my first time on five MEO, like I was at this gathering, and like I had no idea the high high power psychedelics were gonna be there.
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.039
And I didn't uh have you ever experienced combo?
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:24.400
Okay, so I did do combo earlier this year, and that was crazy because I was sitting there waiting for the vomiting, waiting for the throw up, waiting for all of it, and I'm sitting there, and my shaman is looking at me, he's like, Are you uh analyzing this right now?
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.079
I'm like, nothing is coming, and then all of a sudden, this giant emotional release came.
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.239
I didn't throw up, I didn't do any of that.
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.559
It was just an emotional release that I didn't know was there.
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:42.079
Yeah, I my first diaped my first three days in a row on combo, and like no physical purge, just sat through the breath.
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:43.360
Everybody's like, you're an animal.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:44.320
Thanks.
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:59.199
But we did the work after that third day, so combo in the morning, three days of combo in a row to clear things out, and then my and then my first ride on five meo a few hours after that third time of combo.
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.960
And it was like just yeah.
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:06.639
Um and like I'm good, you know.
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:15.760
To your point, like the the and I think even even without medicine, people can get stuck in healing loops, right?
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.480
Yes, I I call it like a healing circle jerk.
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:22.800
Um it's like, oh well, I need to find my next block to clear.
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.199
And to your point, about like no, it practicality too.
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.400
You know, one of my favorite books is Atlas Shrugged.
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:41.280
And uh Ayn Rand, she wrote it back in the it's uh uh Ayn Rand is a big like libertarianism, free market, uh superhero.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:52.639
Uh and like I started like drifting in the spiritual community, and it hit me like these are like the people Atlas Shrugged paints as like the ones without a grasp on reality.
00:38:53.679 --> 00:39:02.480
And and I I love love my people that are still over there, and there's the to your point, it's the middle way, right?
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:03.679
It's the middle path.
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.320
And I and I mean that's where Jesus was, right?
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:14.559
He was very much a proponent, and if you start to look into Jesus outside of Paul's version of the Bible, um fun fact, everyone, guess what?
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.519
The Bible you read is probably just the Apostle Paul's version, and he was the only disciple that never actually met Jesus.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:20.960
So take that as you will.
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:32.639
When you actually start to look into the background of Jesus and the Essene culture, the Nazarenes and all that, he was so much a proponent of like balance of everything, and that's I'm a proponent of that, right?
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.440
The esoteric Eastern philosophy, 100%.
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:45.519
There are salient portions that we need to integrate breath work, down regulation, um, meditation practices, being aware of our emotional states, but then we also have to create from that, right?
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:53.199
So it's the internal world stabilized to go out into the external world, the being before the doing to have the thing that we desire.
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.280
The be do have models, what I've lived my life off of for the last five years.
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:12.480
So that middle path also, and this is why I think the nervous system is a for perfect representation of life, is Western culture, hustle grind, and then also the downregulation, esoteric feeling existing and moving through those states.
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.880
What do you think about the return to Christianity for so many people?
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:32.639
How the pendulum has swung from uh people are choosing their their dogma, so to speak, from those the big spiritual boom I feel like has has reached its bubble, and now it's like Christ is all over the influencer.
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.320
Oh, the amount of spiritualists who've converted to Christianity is asinine.
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:41.280
Yeah, and it it's because they're wanting groundedness, and it also goes back to connection, right?
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:49.039
Um, the problem with spiritualism is big in my humble viewpoint is that it's so wishy-washy, there is no grounded nature to it.
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.880
And what is a system going to crave if it has an extremity?
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.599
It's going to create crave the other extremity over time.
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.800
So that's what happens is with these spiritualists, just like your brain-body connection is it needs balance.
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.320
So it will do it subconsciously if you don't consciously allow it.
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:08.239
So Christianity creates structure, it creates routine, it creates discipline.
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:08.559
Yeah.
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.599
But all of it is they're all boxes.
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:11.920
Yeah.
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.000
Every single one of them are boxes.
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.920
I, you know, and my mom wasn't, didn't push, she took us to church.
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.800
So and I remember at a very young age going, how did anyone book get it right?
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.119
Like exactly how how is anyone book the book?
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.679
You know, I and it's it's mind-boggling to me.
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.920
And you know, I've said, you know, to your point, spirituality is like the feminine, Christianity is more the masculine.
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:51.760
It's um I've seen it in some where and I've spirituality can be this way of like, well, I am I'm the universe and I create and I do this.
00:41:52.239 --> 00:42:00.639
Christianity says God's gonna do this, and it takes away the it makes action easier to take for some people.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.599
It does well, well, this is God's plan.
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.400
Well, because they're afraid of taking ownership of their lives.
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.519
Oh weird.
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:08.639
Imagine that.
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.400
You you said it, not me.
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:12.639
All right, y'all can come at me.
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:13.360
Come at me.
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:15.599
Okay, I already get hate mail.
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.280
We were both saying it.
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:17.760
Yeah.
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.159
Um, but but it it goes back to, right?
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:20.880
It is both.
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:21.360
Yeah.
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:22.880
It is both and.
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.679
And we're so funny.
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.360
The you know, nothing and everything.
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.480
It is both and.
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.840
So the internal to the external.
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.480
The internal informs the external.
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:35.920
It is the balance of both.
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:36.719
Yeah.
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:43.760
It's uh, you know, some people go out into the world to find themselves, others goes in, others go into themselves to create their world.
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:45.280
Yeah.
00:42:45.760 --> 00:43:02.400
And why would someone why would someone stop a successful on on paper life to look into themselves if they've got everything they were told they needed, and everybody who's ever mentored them said, no, that's normal that you want to burn things down every once in a while.
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:03.280
Just keep going.
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.480
Typically there comes a moment of pain at which they can't do it anymore.
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.960
And it makes them question the paradigm of everything that they've ever worked for.
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:20.880
That void and that nothingness, and the thing that they thought that they were seeking was not the thing that they were seeking, creates contemplation for most people.
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:28.239
Now, that contemplation, in my experience, is usually alive in somebody before that breaking point.
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.559
And they've typically in whispers, but not at quite a breaking point.
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:45.920
So, how how can you and I help individuals to answer the whisper before they get to a car wreck or a sudden loss of a sibling or a rattlesnake or what have you?
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:55.119
Doing stuff like this, being as transparent, like having conversations like this and having as many conversations as possible.
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.719
Like I still remember when I first started doing past life readings, right?
00:43:58.800 --> 00:43:59.599
Woohoo! Right?
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.480
God, my sister watches this, I'm gonna get a phone call.
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:10.960
So, um hey, I I I want to hear this, and then I have I have something on past lives readings.
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:18.239
Yeah, so when I when I had the rattlesnake bite, that's when I actually messaged my former mentor, my very first mentor, who changed my life.
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:23.519
He was the very first person in my life to witness me and not validate me.
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.519
He watched me with love and compassion, but he did not validate my pain.
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:36.320
I'd seen death, I had seen murder, I had had eating disorders, I had tried to kill myself, I had seen crazy shit, right?
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.840
And everybody was always, oh poor baby, oh poor baby, right?
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.440
Validating my pain, keeping my pain in my sphere.
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:44.639
He did not do that, right?
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.079
And it changed my life.
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.840
Um, I and that ended up transpiring into my practice.
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:55.599
Anyway, I messaged him and I said, What did you mean when you told me all those years ago that you're not from here?
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.079
He said, Email this woman.
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.400
I emailed that woman, and I had an Akashic record reading within Hinduism.
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.159
It's called the Akashic Akasha.
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.480
Um, actually, within the Bible, it's called the Book of Life.
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:16.719
So it is a record that is not here, it's in an ethereal state, it is in a state of transcendental meditation in which you go and you read past and you find soul record.
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:23.119
Each one of us has a soul, and there is a stories from previous life attached to that those souls.
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:23.519
Yep.
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:28.639
I got in, I got my own reading, and now I do that for certain clients when they want that space for themselves.
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.239
But I talk about it regularly.
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:36.079
Like I still remember having a voice message walking on one of my trails, and there were people behind me, and I just talk about it freely.
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:50.159
I was actually at our mastermind, and I started talking about that stuff, and it gave the space to one of the members there to open up with me completely and up fixing certain dynamics within his marriage that has been issues for years because of this past life recall.
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:59.280
The more we speak on these things, the more other people feel comfortable speaking on the things that they are terrified of realizing themselves.
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.199
Thank you.
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.760
It's yeah, past lives.
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.559
Um, what was what was that woman's name?
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.280
The oh uh Suzanne.
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:09.840
Okay.
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.360
Just making sure I was like, if we worked with the same person, I'll just complete.
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:20.880
Um, and I've crazy we've already had crazier shit, but yeah, I I had a past lives reading.
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.639
Um I think my like 2022.
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.719
And like the first one, she was like, Oh, you're uh whatever.
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:38.159
Like that the it was it was there were a couple mundane lifetimes, a couple that really and then it was there was this one that it was like I was remembering something I didn't know I missed.
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.519
I cried spontaneously twice.
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:49.920
And I sat down to meditate afterward, and it was the most powerful meditation I had had to date.
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:54.239
And like, you know, I used to feel energy going up and down my spine.
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.679
This was like out through my shoulders, like I was sprouting wings, damn near.
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:06.079
And I I messaged her afterward, I was like, hey, I see you do 14-week one-on-one training to help people and you know, if my soul has done that before, can we uh dive in?
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:07.760
I mean, same thing, right?
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.960
So, like you and I have both come back and like found a relatively grounded approach to everything.
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:22.719
Like, I did readings on people, we're like, uh hey, I it seems like you're you have a big decision to make.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.199
I see you stand at the top of a waterfall and you just gotta jump.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.079
Oh, I'm getting chills right now because I'm building them out of a waterfall in my living room, kind of stuff.
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:30.800
Like, you know.
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.599
Um no psychedelic substances.
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Same.
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Same.
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It's always over.
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In my mind's eye, one time I can see these crisscross blue lines just like moving, just I I hear my my mentor, Chris Shanti, on there.
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She's like, Chase, I need you to come back down a little bit.
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And in that moment, I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna reach out and touch this.
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And guess whose Bluetooth headphones disconnected at the exact moment that I touched hers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, mine.
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But yeah.
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Oh yours, oh yours, yeah.
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.199
Mine did, yeah.
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:07.519
But it it's whether it's the time the the field or the time space continuum or whatnot, like hundred percent.
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There's there's something to this stuff, but it for me, finding a practical lever to pull that still operates on more levels of the human existence than we can tell seems to pull more of it than all right, guys.
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.559
Uh today we're gonna like only doing psychic readings on people.
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It's how is it how does it translate and practically come into like actually believe it or not, every single one of my like my best friend, yeah, we were we were brother, brother and sister in another lifetime, and I f I saw him, here's the fun thing, I saw him on Instagram three years ago.
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.000
One of my other one, another guy I knew posted him on his story, and I was like, Who's that?
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And he's like, That's so-and-so.
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You need to go message him.
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And I was like, Okay, cool.
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.079
We immediately hit it off.
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Yeah.
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And he ended up becoming one of my clients, and he was very stuck in his conditioning, got him through anxiety, we became best friends.
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He worked with me a second time.
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I pulled him from a sales job that he had been in debt, like living his entire life, into the job of his dreams.
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He's now the number like the top heel in the Midwest in pro wrestling one year later.
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And I like we literally have telepathic communication, and we just we always know exactly what's going on with one another.
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I'll be like, hey dude, what's going on with that?
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And he talks to it, and we talk all the time.
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Same thing with my other friend Kedrick.
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We had a past lifetime because I was like, How do I know you?
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And I remembered back to 2017 when I first traveled to Rome and I was in the Coliseum, and I still remember I'm getting the feeling now, chills down my spine, of standing in the Coliseum and being like, I've been here.
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There's no way I know how, but I've been here.
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One of my very first past lives that I remembered was being a gladiator and dying on on bleeding out with my wife next to me.
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And then I was like, hold on a second.
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I went back and I read the record, and we were brothers in arms then.
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He's like, Oh my god.
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And he remembered the same thing because he's also like us.
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It's one of my friends, she's uh she's working for a relatively well-known brand out in Montana.
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I was out there visiting for a workshop in uh a mastermind in August.
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And my little brother, his nickname was Scooter.
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Her dad has passed, her dad, her dad, and she's like, Yeah, I keep my dad's name tape from his motorcycle motorcycle vest of his nickname in the truck.
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Scooter.
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Like little things like that that let you know you're in the right spot.
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It's how many people hear stuff like like to me, the individual who is still operating on that twisted barb right inside of them that they're more or less addicted to because it's the only thing they've ever known, they hear coincidences like that, like, ah, those are just coincidences that your meaning-making mind is making up until they clear that out and actually experience it for themselves.
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:05.840
Correct.
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Because they can't see it, they can't feel it, they can't witness it, so they're trying to logically and analytically describe it because it ends up disrupting their sense of reality.
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And the real and the problem is so many, here's the thing, and this is nervous system work.
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So many people are so stressed, they can't see outside their current paradigm.
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So the first thing we can do for them is get them to breathe.
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You want the first action step?
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There it is.
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Breathe breathe.
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Because what that does is their perception opens up and they can see possibilities outside the current paradigm they're enamored with.
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Show me somebody with anxiety, I'll show you somebody with their breath trapped in their chest.
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100%.
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Every time.
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You got a client at the top of the hour still?
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.360
Uh, I do have to get some stuff done.
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:47.920
Cool.
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:49.519
But we need to do another one of these.
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Yeah, well, yeah, because I I I for for about the last 20 minutes, I was like, I wanna I wanna dig into dreams.
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:58.559
Ooh, astral projection.
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Remote viewing.
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So I actually did I did a nine-month practitioner training, and technically speaking, I'm a priestess.
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Alright, let's go.
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We did we did astral projection and remote remote viewing.
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And then if you want to get for those of you naysayers who are ending this up, go look up Project Stargate if you don't believe us.
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:30.079
No, and I I would like to get your take on this because that's something that you know, I was in a sound bath one time, and we get done, and the practitioner, she's like, talk about everything she saw, the spirits in the room, and everything, and then she's like, and she's like, and I got something special for you.
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She's like, your tattoo on your legs started to leave your body, and then you twitched and everything came back on.
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And you know, all right, I'm it's really interesting.
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It's difficult for me to get out of body.
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Um, for for all the gifts I have, all the things I do, all the senses I have, the things I've channeled, it's difficult for me to get out of body.
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:56.159
Interesting.
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Yeah, I know.
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So there's some there, yeah, there's some sense of like your astral body for some reason is afraid of leaving.
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Uh-huh.
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I wonder, I wonder what's happened out there.
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It's interesting how the the D the subconscious ends up holding on to that state.
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.039
But that also will go to brainwave state.
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Yeah.
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Makes sense.
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Cool.
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Uh, how do you want to cap this one?
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What what what mic drop moment do you want to leave them with?
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Honestly, the biggest thing right there is starting to know that you are not the mind.
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You are not those things, you are not those stories.
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If you can observe it, you cannot be it.
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Because whatever it comes and goes, yet you are still present.