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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another nervotics QA.
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Today we're joined by Dr.
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Philippe Quazatier, a chiropractor based in Quebec, Canada, and a founder of a very cutting-edge clinic called Optimum Chiropractic.
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Dr.
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Dr.
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Philippe focuses on helping patients restore movement, reduce pain, and improve function through modern chiropractic care and advance therapeutic technologies.
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His clinic works with a wide range of patients from everyday individuals dealing with chronic pain to people looking to move and perform better.
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Today we're going to dive into how he incorporates using direct current technology with a wide range of conditions and the successful results he's having with his patients using direct current.
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Dr.
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Philippe, thanks for joining in.
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I'm pretty good.
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Thanks.
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And you you've come a long way.
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I know you're you're currently in the States, but out of Quebec.
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What you know, in that area, uh what originally led you to incorporate direct current technology into your clinic?
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Well, I've been hearing about the um the uh the direct current uh from a while now.
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Uh I mean uh one of my um one of my buddy uh based in California is a big fan of you guys.
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It's uh and and he he told me for he's telling me for years now that I should get one and try one.
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So um basically uh I did about I would say five months ago, and I don't regret it.
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The only regret that I have is uh that I haven't tried it sooner.
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Yeah, I love hearing that.
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And so, you know, we we get a lot of people who actually do know about the this device and direct current, but we also get a lot of confusion about the difference between this and a tens unit.
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So for people who aren't familiar with it, how would you explain direct current therapy and then what it does for the body?
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Yeah, I mean the way that I explain it is um it's not the same as uh as a tense unit, it's it's completely different.
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It's like it's like uh you want to drive a Mercedes or you want to drive a Honda.
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Both will lead you to a point, but it's not the same thing.
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It depends on the what your goal is.
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My goal usually is to increase the firing of the nerve and the motor unit and the motor pattern associated with it.
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So with direct current, I mean it goes deeper and it goes more to the nerve, the 1A afferent and the 1b afferent that I want to increase the firing.
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And by doing this and incorporating this with movement, I mean this is gold.
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Boy, I I like that comparison between the car differences because I think everybody you know responds really well to that.
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Um, when we're talking like response, when your patients feel it, have have do they react that way?
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What is it, what are their usually their response to it, you know, their first time on the device?
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Well, the first time, uh every time that I start the um the uh DX, I mean, I just it's it it they feel the jolt, kind of.
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And then after after word, uh after I would say after a minute, basically, I mean, the the the current is pretty, pretty smooth as far as they don't feel much thing.
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So I the way that I explained to them is well, I mean, it's not exactly like that, but for them it's more easy to understand.
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So let's say that the nerve, you have a firing of the nerve, and sometimes around the nerve, I mean, you can get like some entrapments by muscles, and and the uh the firing pattern is disrupt with with putting a current into the nerve, when when you feel the pain, it's because the disrupting of the of this of this um of this nerve pathway.
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So by putting the current, when you feel pain, it's because the nerve is still like not functioning as it should be.
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Even if like even if you if you uh if you adjust somebody or you uh decrease muscle tension, by putting the DX500, to me, it seems that the firing, it's basically trying to get more loose.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I'm clear, but uh uh it's like if you have a uh barrier or something, and the the the nerve the well the DX500 helps to decrease this this barrier.
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And after a while, why you don't feel the pain much is because the barrier is is finally like uh melting down.
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You know, that that's actually an interesting point because you go to a lot of clinics, especially in the past, and it seems like it's it's always about treating the muscle or stretching the muscle, and you you you you're talking about nerve and the neurology aspect.
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What uh where do you see the benefits in and what's the major difference in that as opposed to just going after the muscle and the and and going through stretching?
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How did how does this nerve and this neurological aspect really help the patient?
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Well, I'm a big fan of the uh SFMA assessment protocol.
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And in SFMA, the the way that you uh you assess people is you have either like a motor unit problem, like a segmental motor like programming, or you have like a mobility problem.
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So every time that we find out that we have a mobility problem, so we kind of uh mobilize the the area.
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But but other than that, when you have like a motor programming issue, um the way that I'm the way that I'm trying to assess the patient is either locally, like uh let's say that his hip is uh not the muscle around the hip is not functioning properly.
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So I'm trying to find, well, locally, how can I put the uh DX500 to increase this firing pattern to make the central nervous system being more aware that's the thing that I want to change?
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Am I fair enough?
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So I'm I'm trying I'm trying to rebuild the new motor pattern.
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So it's like I'm writing a new book.
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But but writing a book, it's really hard, it takes some time.
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So you have to do it over and over.
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But with the DX500, I mean, we cut at least like 90% of the time.
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Because I mean, we're we're Joe, we're putting like pressure on the nervous system, and we're finding the brain pathways in a different way, so the muscle will adapt a lot faster.
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You you know, uh, to kind of to so to clarify for people at home, I want to go back to your car analogy because I recently dealt with the car issue where you know these new cars they have all these computer chips, and you never know what goes out and what affects what.
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And the interesting thing in that in the front of the car, a computer chip, there was a disruption and it went out, and that caused my my reverse camera to go out.
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So the backup parking light ends up flashing and beeping as a result of that.
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And all it took was a little chip in the front of it to activate everything that reacted from the back.
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Would you say that's a pretty good comparison of how a lot of times we'll feel pain in one area, but then you find a disruption that you were talking about in a completely different spot that does affect the area of pain.
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Is that very similar to say?
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Yeah, well, yeah, of course, it's the same thing because the pain is just a manifestation of your brain, you know.
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Um and and well, you can have like a right shoulder pain, but it can could come from like the left one or the mid-thoracics or the cervical spine or the left hip.
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So it depending, uh, depending how you assess the patient, but if you treat always locally, uh in my mind, you'll lose some uh you lose some of your efficiency.
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Yeah, and and I think we we see that as well that opening up those pathways to tend to help that movement pattern a lot better.
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Um yeah, but but but let's say let's say so sorry, sorry to interrupt you, but let's say that you uh had them dealing with an ankle problem for quite a while.
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So even if you fix the ankle, the joint, or the muscle around it, so if it's has been there for a while, I mean your central system will have adapted by then, you know, so your gait pattern will change, the muscle firing will change, and all this stuff.
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So even if you fix the ankle, that doesn't mean that the central pattern will come back.
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So you have to fix as well the central the central pattern as well as the the ankle.
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So in this in this point of view, I think the DX500 helps you a lot doing this.
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I love hearing that.
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I you we were we were backstage uh talking in you were talking about all the the tech you have and a lot of fancy gear and a lot of good gear.
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I see I see some of it online, but uh I love how you kind of close some of that out and you want people to come in and to your clinic so they can experience it.
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You mentioned something called the gyro stim, right?
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Gyro STEM, I'm sorry.
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And you you were you were kind of talking about that.
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Would you mind sharing that publicly, you know, with the experience you had that with that compared to the DX500?
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Well, it's basically two different things.
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The gyro STEM is it's like a rotational chair uh for um uh to um to stabilize the vestibular system as well as the visual system.
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So it's kind of you're strapped in a chair, um uh you're you're strapped in a chair, and the chair is bringing bringing you up and it's making making you turn um in different different ways depending on the what we found on the exam.
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It's recalibrating your visual system and your inner ear as well as your uh proprioception.
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So um it's it's it's kind of uh yeah, exactly.
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So so it's recalibrating your your vestiberal system with your uh visual system to make sure that both are synced together.
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And when they're synced together, I mean the motor pattern is more clear, depending on what the symptoms of the patient is.
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But like I was saying earlier to you, backstage, I was talking about this uh pro football guy that uh came up and uh see me.
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So every time that a patient came up and sees me, uh, we take an history exam.
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Uh and um basically this guy was uh was here because every time that he was turning to catch a ball over his left shoulder, he kind of uh becoming dizzy and light sensitive as the at the same time.
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So so uh by continuing asking questions, uh we found out also that also that he has an history of uh pulling hamstrings, left hamstrings.
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So when we put him on our forces plate, we see he has he has a basic sway.
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Well, he was swaying more on one side than the other side.
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So so every time that he was swaying, his nervous system in his body was preventing to fall.
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So so the left hamstring was always into tension.
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So so in a guy like that, if we stretch the hamstring, this guy will be worse because he's uh he's gonna feel more unsteadiness, right?
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Right.
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So so so with this guy, we put him on the gyros stem, so we we we uh calibrate as a central nervous system, but as well when it was like when we were like uh on the ground and we were trying to uh rehabilitate and doing something else, we put the the uh DX500 in a cross pattern, like a right quad, left hamstring, while he was doing right VOR.
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So we we we were kind of like we were kind of uh trying to do peripheral stimulation as well as central stimulation to make it easier for the central pattern to regenerate and uh and write another book.
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Is that uh am I clear or am I losing everyone here?
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No, I don't think so.
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We we have a pretty educated audience that that has used the device a lot, but just so we can kind of get a better description.
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So you you crossed the leads basically, you had one on the the right quad, right?
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Yeah, right, one on the right quad, yeah, right there, and one on the left hamstring.
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Left hamstring.
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So and you just had were you just using the one channel, or did you cross, did you go?
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I just I just I was just using one channel.
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Sometimes when I use two, I put like uh uh left hamstring, uh left butt, left left uh glute max, okay, as well as uh as well as uh right quad and uh right um t less anterior.
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Okay, yeah.
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So because the the way so the way that you the the way that this guy was swaying was let's say right forward, left backward, so his muscle was more tense in this way.
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So we want we either want to decrease the firing pattern on this on this oblique sling, or we want to increase the firing pattern on the other one.
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So we basically, when we were doing exercises, we were trying to fire in the um the other pathway.
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I I love that mindset because we we do have a couple of protocols, you know, and you obviously saw them where we cross them.
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Um we have the oblique sling, we have the hypertonic and hypotonic.
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Um that's I I love how you're using this just to get a better idea.
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So was it a specific hamstring?
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Was it the left?
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Is that like yeah, the bicep femoris I was trying to uh find, yeah.
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And so he had results going here and crossing it from the other side.
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How was that in comparison to this gyrostim and the results he had with that?
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Well, the gyrostim is not an electric electrical device, it's more like a it's more like it's a it's a it's a fancy spinning chair.
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So it's like you're spinning someone, and when you spin on a chair, if you spin on your uh on your chair and you only spin on one side, you'll get busy, right?
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Of course, yeah.
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So but if we do it in a plain canal simulation with uh with uh yeah, with a laser in your hand, trying to get like um I'm I'm I'm losing my French here, uh trying to uh to get bullseye in different place on the on the on the cage of the gyrostim.
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So you're you're you're using your eyes and you're using your inner ear to stabilize yourself.
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So so you're just calibrating this system, which is not the same as uh as we were doing here.
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But I tried it as well with the um, because I know with some Russian stim, if you put a Russian stim in the uh occiput, you can try to stimulate the the person that uh if you put one lead there and the other lead here, let's say that you put the negative here and the positive here, you'll feel like you're spinning right.
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But I tried that with the um the DX500, but that was not really comfortable for the patient.
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So I tried using it.
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But maybe if I have like uh smaller pods, I'll try it again.
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But with the large one, it was not it was not comfortable for the patient.
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Yeah, the the the two by twos might be a better option if you're doing both pads.
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A lot of times what we'll do is we'll we'll fire up on one side or just on the neck using the four by two completely across, but it would take away the concept of what you're trying to do with that.
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So well, yeah, that's that's idea that thing I do as well, but it's it would it's for more for neck problem.
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But as far as vestibular, like increasing the superior vestibular nerve, which is passed right through here, so by putting like a uh uh direct current, so I was wondering if I would get the same kind of result that uh if I put the patient on the gyroscem.
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Oh that's good stuff.
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I'm not I'm not there yet, but I mean it could work.
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I mean, basically it could work, yeah.
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I yeah, I think yeah, it's probably worth a shot on trying the two by twos, the smaller ones might do it.
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Um the the Russian STIM is slightly different, it runs on a square wave.
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Ours is a different type of biphasic wave, um, kind of stretched out very similar to the way your brain a little smoother.
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I know, but the the research, the research was uh uh on the Russian stim and not on the other current, yeah.
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Yeah, 100%.
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So you know, we're you when I was going through your clinic, you have you seem like you have like a wide range.
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You you talked about uh the football player.
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I know you deal with a lot of athletes.
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You also have a lot of just people off the street coming in.
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From a clinical perspective, um are is there a specific patient that you see the best results with, or does it go from one spectrum to the other in your experience?
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I mean, uh everyone could benefit uh from it so far.
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I mean, um trying I'm trying the DX500 on almost every patient.
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Oh and and and uh the the result that I have and the feedback that I have from them is amazing.
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Um the if if I have to point one thing for me that I would like uh that I like to use uh the uh DX500 best is for the neck.
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The neck is amazing.
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I mean, I mean a lot of people comes comes in with neck problem that it's originating from a mid-thoracic problem.
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Yeah but but I mean the neck is still tense, even if you fix the mid-thoracic.
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So so by fixing the mid-thoracic and and mobile mobilizing the this area or the shoulder area, I mean the neck, the neck sometimes when when the patient walks out, if you're not using any current or any dx500, the patient walks out, he feels better, but I mean it might take like a day or two because it before he feel he feels the the real improvement.
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But with the DX500, it's right away.
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Every every time that they step off the table, I mean, they're like, wow, I want to do this again.
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Yeah, okay.
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So the neck is a big one.
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Uh we do see a lot of neck issues.
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Could you explain?
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Is there something outside of the protocols that we offer that you've been placing the pads that you've seen a lot of success with?
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Um for shoulders, uh for well, I I'm I'm a big AK guy, so applied kinesiology, so I do a lot of muscle testing.
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So depending of my finding of what I find, if I see like a muscle that doesn't turn off or um or a muscle that is always turned off, I will play, I will place the pad in the different manner.
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So let's say that if a muscle doesn't turn off, though I'm I'm gonna put the red lead more closer to the tendon.
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Got it.
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If if if a muscle like is not turning on, so I will put the left lead more towards the uh belly of the muscle.
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So I don't know, for me it worked.
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For me it worked.
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It seems that the the red lead you have like less electricity and less firing pattern there.
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So it's kind of by if you put it closer to the tendon, you're increasing your chance of increasing the 1D afferin that's turning off the muscle.
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It's it's it's closer to reality than if you put it on the belly.
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With you're in you're speaking in terms of the red leave.
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Yeah, yeah, red lead, yeah.
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That makes a lot of sense because um in those of those people out there with DC, what we mean by red and black, the red is going to be the positive, the black's the negative, and it starts with the black, it runs to the red.
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So yeah, you're correct.
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That's often how we kind of ascribe to our thinking as well.
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We'll we'll anchor, you know, a point where it's just not firing with the black lead because it is a heavier hit, and some of that you know, passive or more you know hypotonic area we'll place with the red.
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In your case, here you're using the tendon.
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Um so with with the neck, where would you be placing that?
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Um the neck.
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Well, you mean the neck or the shoulder?
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Um, if we're talking neck pain in particular, because you said you had a lot of you sorry.
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Across across let's say for neck pain, I put it across the neck, so uh so the le the pad will run this way.
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The black one, uh the back one.
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Okay, and I will put the the the red one more over the uh lower trap.
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Okay, so depending depending on what I yeah, right there.
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Down here, almost like by the red.
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Well, a little bit lower, a little bit lower than that because I want the uh current to uh travel a little bit more, yeah.
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Yeah, right here.
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Perfect, yeah.
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Boy, I love it.
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And you're just using the two pads.
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Well, yeah, most of the time I'm only using two pads.
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Sometimes I use four, but uh like I was saying, like the red lead and the the black lead, the positive and the negative.
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Uh when let's say that you have an accelerator accelerated nerve compressed in the uh quadrant.
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Grangular space of your shoulder, right between the terrace minor, terrace major, triceps, and humerus.
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Yeah.
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So I try multiple things because the when you have this kind of a syndrome, nerve entrapment, sometimes it's because your lower trap and your serratus and terrain is not firing properly.
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So I did try to put the the the the pad there, but for me, the most efficient like result that I had is like putting like the black lead over the terrace minor and the red lead over the triceps.
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And for me, I mean uh I I don't know if it makes sense to you guys, but that's the thing that I tried.
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And wow, I mean, right after that, I mean the nerve was well, the shoulder, the especially the uh delta lid was uh was live again.
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That's interesting.
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So that this is a different way to see this because we we have we have activated like this area a lot with the black uh super spinatus, simfraspinatus, teres, um, but not with the tricep like that, you know, to improve on neck pain.
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So that's that's a really cool setup.
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I might have to try that.
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.359
So so let's say we're we're kind of far out neck pain, but it's still the same way.
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Let's say that your deltoid is like less efficient, inhibited.
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So if your deltoid is inhibited, so your trap will contract a little bit more to compensate for the shoulder stability there.
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So if the right trap, let's say the right shoulder is the right delt is inhibited, so the right trap will firing a bit more, so it will increase tension over the neck uh the the neck over the right side.
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So so if we want to increase the firing pattern of the delt, so it's either like we have to firing the muscle, or we have to find out why this muscle is inhibited.
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So that's why I'm talking about the accelerator nerve here in the quadrangular space.
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Yeah, yeah, uh this is good stuff.
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Um, probably probably more in depth than what we've seen in a while.
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So I love where you're going with this.
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What are besides neck pain, what are some other common conditions that you've seen success with using direct current?
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I use your uh concussion protocol, so the one with the the the the pads under underneath the um the feet and the uh on on the neck.
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It it works great, and I love the bucket of water as well for feet.
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All right, it's my favorite one there, doc.
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That's amazing, and and especially, I mean, not only for feet, but let's say that for um uh dizziness as well.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, so to increase the proprioception on the feet, so it kind of gives you like another system to rely on.
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So if your feet is like uh alive a little bit more, yeah.
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So if someone had vertigo, would you say that this device would be helpful for that?
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Well, it depends what kind of vertigo, but uh, but for some of them, yeah.
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For unsteadiness, I would say, because vertigo is a like it's a big world.
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Yeah, it's too big to say, like with vertigo, it would be good to put the your feet in the water with the leaves there.
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Uh I would say for unsteadiness, which is kind of vertical, uh different saying differently, uh it works great.
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Especially let's say that you test the patient and he's kind of unsteady um on the foam with his eyes open.
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That's when I would use the uh the bucket of water.
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If he closes his eyes and he's unsteady, I'm thinking more vestibular.
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But uh let's say that uh if his eyes is open, especially an athlete on a foam or uh on the solid ground, pandemic or like uh feet closer together and like they're unsteady or standing on one foot, they're unsteady.
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That's the first thing I would try.
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Put them in the water to increase the fine pattern of the uh the nervous system there.
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I love I love hearing that we we've seen so many good results using the foot bath, um, water in general, even with the hand bath.
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Uh, so good to the point where we're creating protocols for shoulders all the way down to feet rather than just focusing on the ankle.
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People think foot bath and they think, well, it's only for ankles.
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Um but but you would you would disagree with that as well, right?
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You could see some benefits of helping the entire body.
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Yeah.
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That brings me up to a question, you know, that that's an interesting point.
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So have you seen a lot of these cases where patients they've tried other treatments for multiple months at a time without success, and then their response to a direct current was was very similar to that.
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Have you seen a lot of patients like this?
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Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
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Yeah, wow.
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That's amazing.
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Especially with you know, you're you're obviously very well versed on the technology that's out there.
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You're you're using a lot of the things that actually do work.
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I know that it's it's not that this you're not a doctor that goes out there and buys the next shiny toy.
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At least that's not what I got when I was looking on the website.
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You bought things that have proven results.
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So to hear you say, I bought a lot of things.
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I bought a lot of things, but there's some things I bought and I only use it once.
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So so I want I want it I want the toy to make it different.
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Yeah.
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So and and and not in the in the not in the short run, but but when you buy something, you really want it to work, right?
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So you try it over and over and over over the week, and you're kind of thinking that well, now that this is gonna work, or you change your technique or stuff like that, and and you're pretty sure that it's gonna work, but but you only know if it's working when the patient comes back.
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So if he comes back and he's and he's saying to you, wow, this is the best treatment that I had for a while.
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So now you know that the stuff that you did, the technique that you change, or the uh the gadget that you use.
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I'm not saying that the DX500 is a gadget, but the technology that you use, maybe there's something there.
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So that's when I'm still that that's when I'm telling myself, well, this is the technology I will still use now.
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That's that's good.
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So, Doctor, what what what inspires you, or I guess I should say, you know, when the patient comes in, how do you determine, you know, which technology you're gonna use?
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Is there a certain process to that?
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Are you going through certain tests?
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And after they pass that test or go through it or maybe fail it, you're you're like, okay, this is direct current, or maybe this is the gyro stim.
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Is there something a process like that, or do you have something lately that uh kind of pulls you in and like this is my go-to, this is where I'm gonna treat?
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Well, let's put it this way every time I want to change a motor pattern, I'll use the DX500.
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So if I want to decrease pain, I will use the DX500.
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If I want to do something else, let's say that the this person has a job problem and I want to uh increase the trigeminal in a specific branch, I won't use, I would, I would use something else, you know.
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But but basically for pain and for reprogramming the motor pattern, every time I use the uh DX500, which is almost all my patients.
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Yeah.
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In the different in the in in in well, depending on where they are in their care, it will depend when I'm gonna use the DX500 or not.
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But sometimes if the let's say that they get the they come in to me because they're really dizzy and they just got concussed, uh sometimes I won't use it.
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I will use something else.
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I will use a cold laser or something like that with the treatment.
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But uh, as soon as they're more stable, I will use the concussion protocol.
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Yeah, or I'll use the footbat, or I'll use the uh neck uh uh the um neck protocol.
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You you've uh you've clearly had a a career, a wide enough career to to bring a lot of knowledge.
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Where would you say what attributed to that?
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Like how long have you been a doctor?
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What inspired that to bring you into this world of helping people?
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You clearly have a passion for it.
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Obviously, um you've put a lot of time, you've invested a lot of money in it.
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Uh, where where did that start?
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Yeah, about 30 years ago.
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I in uh I'm a Palmer grad in uh Iowa, Iowa.
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Uh I graduated, I graduated in the 96, class of 96, and I moved uh I'm I'm from originally I'm from Quebec City, so in Canada, the French part.
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So uh I moved back in here.
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I started a clinic.
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Um and uh at first when I really started that I was I was more involved in everything about the movement.
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So we back in the early 90s, mid-90s, I would say, um there was not a lot of people that were using uh um motion sensors to analyze the movement.
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So we were the first one in Quebec and maybe the first tens uh out of uh Canada to use that.
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So we were using it for golfers and for um baseball players.
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So we were uh testing the the kinematics uh on every player's and trying to find out the body swing connection.
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Okay, wow.
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Where if there's if there's a gap in the body swing connection.
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So and we were trying to refix or re-app that after a while.
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Um after seeing like a lot of patients, the thing that I found out is most sometimes I mean the kinetic link was perfect or was horrible, but the the athlete was pretty good.
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Yeah, so I said maybe there's something else deeper than that.
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And and I got involved with the functional neurology uh in uh back in the 2010s, and and I my focus was more on athletes, but about five years ago we started this big clinic uh for concussion, and basically that's the only thing that we uh run there, concussion patient at this clinic there.
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And the other clinic that I have is more uh um uh uh sports injuries.
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Boy, I I you know we I wish we could clone you and and and sprawl you all over all over the states.
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We we have a lot of good doctors in the states, but not enough.
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And Quebec is lucky to have you.
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Uh thank you.
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I I I gotta I gotta say, uh we we have we have some contacts in the CFL and some baseball players out there.
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Now I know where to send them and um with with good, like basically with good confidence, knowing that they're gonna be taken care of.
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There's a lot of people listening.
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Um, for for someone who's listening right now, they're dealing with chronic pain, perhaps even movement issues.
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What advice would you give to them in finding the right approach to get the right treatment, to find the right doctor?
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Because unfortunately, Philippe, this may be a surprise to you, but not a lot of doctors are as good as you are and care as much about helping their patients as you do.
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Some do, but not a lot.
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Well, everything is is it's coming from the assessment, is the way that you assess people.
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I mean, like I was saying before, the SFMA was a big deal for me.
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So I think they're um the way that they assess people is pretty, pretty good in the um sports injuries uh uh field as well as the um pain field.
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Um as far as uh more neural stuff, uh I like the Kerrick Institute, the way that they teach how to integrate the functional neurology in your practice, I think it's pretty good.
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Um you you need a doctor that will that will be listening to you.
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So so basically after 30 years, sometimes when I when I look back, uh the less that you know, the more than you think you know.
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So so you don't listen much, you know what I mean?
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Oh, I think after a while, I mean when you know a bit more, you say, Wow, I mean, I didn't know a shit then.
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Um but but the thing is to find a good doctor is first of all, is a doctor who's gonna listen to you.
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Yeah.
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And listen to your problem because most of the time the patient will tell you where to look.
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And then if you get if you get a if you have a good toolbox, I mean you can you can help more patients.
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So there's there's some good advice.
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Find a doctor who listens to you and doesn't just do a cookie cut setup and treat you like every other patient.
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Yeah, that's again, everybody is different.
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Everybody is different.
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Yeah.
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Uh Dr.
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Philippe, you've been wonderful.
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Um, I appreciate your answers.
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Phenomenal.
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Uh, you know, it's a dive.
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We I I'd personally love to have you back, hear more of your success because you've only had this for how long?
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I would say five months.
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Five months.
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Uh I can't wait after another five months.
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Um, how much more you've brought up?
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Yeah, so so I I just ordered one unit, you know, just to start with.
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And now I'm I'm gonna have more.
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So so I I need more.
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I mean, I need more patients.
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And my other associate in the clinic, they want they want it too because they saw the results.
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So so yeah.
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And next time we'll do it in French, right?
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Well, I have to get an interpreter, but yeah, I think I think to be fair, maybe we should.
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Doctor, how can how can people find you?
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Is there a is there a website or we have we have two website two websites?
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Uh I'm easy to reach.
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The first one is uh W Optimum Chiropractic.com, and the other one is uh Project Inisphere.com.
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Yep.
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There you go.
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Exactly.
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Wonderful.
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Here we go.
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Uh yeah.
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I Dr.
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Philippe, I appreciate your time.
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Um, you you like I said, you you're uh you're always welcome here.
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Uh please reach out, don't be a stranger.
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And uh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna have to have you back if you're okay.
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All right, you're doing a great job.
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I mean, I I love you guys so and I love your uh I love your stuff.
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I mean, uh yeah.
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That means a lot.
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We love you too.
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And it changed change a lot.
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When when people are in Quebec, uh, we know we're we're gonna send them.
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Uh it's gonna be Dr.
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Philippe.
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All right, thank you.
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Thank you, everyone, for joining in and um all the listeners.
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If you have any questions regarding direct current, feel free to reach out to us at nervotics.com, n-e r v e o t x dot com.
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And uh until next time, thanks a lot, everyone.
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Thank you, Jay.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another nervotics QA.
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Today we're joined by Dr.
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Philippe Quazatier, a chiropractor based in Quebec, Canada, and a founder of a very cutting-edge clinic called Optimum Chiropractic.
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Dr.
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Dr.
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Philippe focuses on helping patients restore movement, reduce pain, and improve function through modern chiropractic care and advance therapeutic technologies.
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His clinic works with a wide range of patients from everyday individuals dealing with chronic pain to people looking to move and perform better.
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Today we're going to dive into how he incorporates using direct current technology with a wide range of conditions and the successful results he's having with his patients using direct current.
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Dr.
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Philippe, thanks for joining in.
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I'm pretty good.
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Thanks.
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And you you've come a long way.
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I know you're you're currently in the States, but out of Quebec.
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What you know, in that area, uh what originally led you to incorporate direct current technology into your clinic?
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Well, I've been hearing about the um the uh the direct current uh from a while now.
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Uh I mean uh one of my um one of my buddy uh based in California is a big fan of you guys.
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It's uh and and he he told me for he's telling me for years now that I should get one and try one.
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So um basically uh I did about I would say five months ago, and I don't regret it.
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The only regret that I have is uh that I haven't tried it sooner.
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Yeah, I love hearing that.
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And so, you know, we we get a lot of people who actually do know about the this device and direct current, but we also get a lot of confusion about the difference between this and a tens unit.
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So for people who aren't familiar with it, how would you explain direct current therapy and then what it does for the body?
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Yeah, I mean the way that I explain it is um it's not the same as uh as a tense unit, it's it's completely different.
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It's like it's like uh you want to drive a Mercedes or you want to drive a Honda.
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Both will lead you to a point, but it's not the same thing.
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It depends on the what your goal is.
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My goal usually is to increase the firing of the nerve and the motor unit and the motor pattern associated with it.
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So with direct current, I mean it goes deeper and it goes more to the nerve, the 1A afferent and the 1b afferent that I want to increase the firing.
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And by doing this and incorporating this with movement, I mean this is gold.
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Boy, I I like that comparison between the car differences because I think everybody you know responds really well to that.
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Um, when we're talking like response, when your patients feel it, have have do they react that way?
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What is it, what are their usually their response to it, you know, their first time on the device?
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Well, the first time, uh every time that I start the um the uh DX, I mean, I just it's it it they feel the jolt, kind of.
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And then after after word, uh after I would say after a minute, basically, I mean, the the the current is pretty, pretty smooth as far as they don't feel much thing.
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So I the way that I explained to them is well, I mean, it's not exactly like that, but for them it's more easy to understand.
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So let's say that the nerve, you have a firing of the nerve, and sometimes around the nerve, I mean, you can get like some entrapments by muscles, and and the uh the firing pattern is disrupt with with putting a current into the nerve, when when you feel the pain, it's because the disrupting of the of this of this um of this nerve pathway.
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So by putting the current, when you feel pain, it's because the nerve is still like not functioning as it should be.
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Even if like even if you if you uh if you adjust somebody or you uh decrease muscle tension, by putting the DX500, to me, it seems that the firing, it's basically trying to get more loose.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I'm clear, but uh uh it's like if you have a uh barrier or something, and the the the nerve the well the DX500 helps to decrease this this barrier.
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And after a while, why you don't feel the pain much is because the barrier is is finally like uh melting down.
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You know, that that's actually an interesting point because you go to a lot of clinics, especially in the past, and it seems like it's it's always about treating the muscle or stretching the muscle, and you you you you're talking about nerve and the neurology aspect.
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What uh where do you see the benefits in and what's the major difference in that as opposed to just going after the muscle and the and and going through stretching?
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How did how does this nerve and this neurological aspect really help the patient?
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Well, I'm a big fan of the uh SFMA assessment protocol.
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And in SFMA, the the way that you uh you assess people is you have either like a motor unit problem, like a segmental motor like programming, or you have like a mobility problem.
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So every time that we find out that we have a mobility problem, so we kind of uh mobilize the the area.
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But but other than that, when you have like a motor programming issue, um the way that I'm the way that I'm trying to assess the patient is either locally, like uh let's say that his hip is uh not the muscle around the hip is not functioning properly.
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So I'm trying to find, well, locally, how can I put the uh DX500 to increase this firing pattern to make the central nervous system being more aware that's the thing that I want to change?
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Am I fair enough?
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So I'm I'm trying I'm trying to rebuild the new motor pattern.
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So it's like I'm writing a new book.
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But but writing a book, it's really hard, it takes some time.
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So you have to do it over and over.
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But with the DX500, I mean, we cut at least like 90% of the time.
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Because I mean, we're we're Joe, we're putting like pressure on the nervous system, and we're finding the brain pathways in a different way, so the muscle will adapt a lot faster.
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You you know, uh, to kind of to so to clarify for people at home, I want to go back to your car analogy because I recently dealt with the car issue where you know these new cars they have all these computer chips, and you never know what goes out and what affects what.
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And the interesting thing in that in the front of the car, a computer chip, there was a disruption and it went out, and that caused my my reverse camera to go out.
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So the backup parking light ends up flashing and beeping as a result of that.
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And all it took was a little chip in the front of it to activate everything that reacted from the back.
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Would you say that's a pretty good comparison of how a lot of times we'll feel pain in one area, but then you find a disruption that you were talking about in a completely different spot that does affect the area of pain.
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Is that very similar to say?
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Yeah, well, yeah, of course, it's the same thing because the pain is just a manifestation of your brain, you know.
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Um and and well, you can have like a right shoulder pain, but it can could come from like the left one or the mid-thoracics or the cervical spine or the left hip.
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So it depending, uh, depending how you assess the patient, but if you treat always locally, uh in my mind, you'll lose some uh you lose some of your efficiency.
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Yeah, and and I think we we see that as well that opening up those pathways to tend to help that movement pattern a lot better.
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Um yeah, but but but let's say let's say so sorry, sorry to interrupt you, but let's say that you uh had them dealing with an ankle problem for quite a while.
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So even if you fix the ankle, the joint, or the muscle around it, so if it's has been there for a while, I mean your central system will have adapted by then, you know, so your gait pattern will change, the muscle firing will change, and all this stuff.
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So even if you fix the ankle, that doesn't mean that the central pattern will come back.
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So you have to fix as well the central the central pattern as well as the the ankle.
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So in this in this point of view, I think the DX500 helps you a lot doing this.
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I love hearing that.
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I you we were we were backstage uh talking in you were talking about all the the tech you have and a lot of fancy gear and a lot of good gear.
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I see I see some of it online, but uh I love how you kind of close some of that out and you want people to come in and to your clinic so they can experience it.
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You mentioned something called the gyro stim, right?
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Gyro STEM, I'm sorry.
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And you you were you were kind of talking about that.
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Would you mind sharing that publicly, you know, with the experience you had that with that compared to the DX500?
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Well, it's basically two different things.
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The gyro STEM is it's like a rotational chair uh for um uh to um to stabilize the vestibular system as well as the visual system.
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So it's kind of you're strapped in a chair, um uh you're you're strapped in a chair, and the chair is bringing bringing you up and it's making making you turn um in different different ways depending on the what we found on the exam.
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It's recalibrating your visual system and your inner ear as well as your uh proprioception.
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So um it's it's it's kind of uh yeah, exactly.
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So so it's recalibrating your your vestiberal system with your uh visual system to make sure that both are synced together.
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And when they're synced together, I mean the motor pattern is more clear, depending on what the symptoms of the patient is.
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But like I was saying earlier to you, backstage, I was talking about this uh pro football guy that uh came up and uh see me.
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So every time that a patient came up and sees me, uh, we take an history exam.
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Uh and um basically this guy was uh was here because every time that he was turning to catch a ball over his left shoulder, he kind of uh becoming dizzy and light sensitive as the at the same time.
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So so uh by continuing asking questions, uh we found out also that also that he has an history of uh pulling hamstrings, left hamstrings.
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So when we put him on our forces plate, we see he has he has a basic sway.
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Well, he was swaying more on one side than the other side.
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So so every time that he was swaying, his nervous system in his body was preventing to fall.
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So so the left hamstring was always into tension.
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So so in a guy like that, if we stretch the hamstring, this guy will be worse because he's uh he's gonna feel more unsteadiness, right?
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Right.
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So so so with this guy, we put him on the gyros stem, so we we we uh calibrate as a central nervous system, but as well when it was like when we were like uh on the ground and we were trying to uh rehabilitate and doing something else, we put the the uh DX500 in a cross pattern, like a right quad, left hamstring, while he was doing right VOR.
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So we we we were kind of like we were kind of uh trying to do peripheral stimulation as well as central stimulation to make it easier for the central pattern to regenerate and uh and write another book.
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Is that uh am I clear or am I losing everyone here?
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No, I don't think so.
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We we have a pretty educated audience that that has used the device a lot, but just so we can kind of get a better description.
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So you you crossed the leads basically, you had one on the the right quad, right?
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Yeah, right, one on the right quad, yeah, right there, and one on the left hamstring.
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Left hamstring.
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So and you just had were you just using the one channel, or did you cross, did you go?
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I just I just I was just using one channel.
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Sometimes when I use two, I put like uh uh left hamstring, uh left butt, left left uh glute max, okay, as well as uh as well as uh right quad and uh right um t less anterior.
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Okay, yeah.
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So because the the way so the way that you the the way that this guy was swaying was let's say right forward, left backward, so his muscle was more tense in this way.
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So we want we either want to decrease the firing pattern on this on this oblique sling, or we want to increase the firing pattern on the other one.
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So we basically, when we were doing exercises, we were trying to fire in the um the other pathway.
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I I love that mindset because we we do have a couple of protocols, you know, and you obviously saw them where we cross them.
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Um we have the oblique sling, we have the hypertonic and hypotonic.
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Um that's I I love how you're using this just to get a better idea.
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So was it a specific hamstring?
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Was it the left?
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Is that like yeah, the bicep femoris I was trying to uh find, yeah.
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And so he had results going here and crossing it from the other side.
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How was that in comparison to this gyrostim and the results he had with that?
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Well, the gyrostim is not an electric electrical device, it's more like a it's more like it's a it's a it's a fancy spinning chair.
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So it's like you're spinning someone, and when you spin on a chair, if you spin on your uh on your chair and you only spin on one side, you'll get busy, right?
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Of course, yeah.
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So but if we do it in a plain canal simulation with uh with uh yeah, with a laser in your hand, trying to get like um I'm I'm I'm losing my French here, uh trying to uh to get bullseye in different place on the on the on the cage of the gyrostim.
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So you're you're you're using your eyes and you're using your inner ear to stabilize yourself.
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So so you're just calibrating this system, which is not the same as uh as we were doing here.
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But I tried it as well with the um, because I know with some Russian stim, if you put a Russian stim in the uh occiput, you can try to stimulate the the person that uh if you put one lead there and the other lead here, let's say that you put the negative here and the positive here, you'll feel like you're spinning right.
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But I tried that with the um the DX500, but that was not really comfortable for the patient.
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So I tried using it.
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But maybe if I have like uh smaller pods, I'll try it again.
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But with the large one, it was not it was not comfortable for the patient.
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Yeah, the the the two by twos might be a better option if you're doing both pads.
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A lot of times what we'll do is we'll we'll fire up on one side or just on the neck using the four by two completely across, but it would take away the concept of what you're trying to do with that.
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So well, yeah, that's that's idea that thing I do as well, but it's it would it's for more for neck problem.
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But as far as vestibular, like increasing the superior vestibular nerve, which is passed right through here, so by putting like a uh uh direct current, so I was wondering if I would get the same kind of result that uh if I put the patient on the gyroscem.
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Oh that's good stuff.
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I'm not I'm not there yet, but I mean it could work.
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I mean, basically it could work, yeah.
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I yeah, I think yeah, it's probably worth a shot on trying the two by twos, the smaller ones might do it.
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Um the the Russian STIM is slightly different, it runs on a square wave.
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Ours is a different type of biphasic wave, um, kind of stretched out very similar to the way your brain a little smoother.
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I know, but the the research, the research was uh uh on the Russian stim and not on the other current, yeah.
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Yeah, 100%.
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So you know, we're you when I was going through your clinic, you have you seem like you have like a wide range.
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You you talked about uh the football player.
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I know you deal with a lot of athletes.
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You also have a lot of just people off the street coming in.
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From a clinical perspective, um are is there a specific patient that you see the best results with, or does it go from one spectrum to the other in your experience?
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I mean, uh everyone could benefit uh from it so far.
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I mean, um trying I'm trying the DX500 on almost every patient.
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Oh and and and uh the the result that I have and the feedback that I have from them is amazing.
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Um the if if I have to point one thing for me that I would like uh that I like to use uh the uh DX500 best is for the neck.
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The neck is amazing.
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I mean, I mean a lot of people comes comes in with neck problem that it's originating from a mid-thoracic problem.
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Yeah but but I mean the neck is still tense, even if you fix the mid-thoracic.
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So so by fixing the mid-thoracic and and mobile mobilizing the this area or the shoulder area, I mean the neck, the neck sometimes when when the patient walks out, if you're not using any current or any dx500, the patient walks out, he feels better, but I mean it might take like a day or two because it before he feel he feels the the real improvement.
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But with the DX500, it's right away.
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Every every time that they step off the table, I mean, they're like, wow, I want to do this again.
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Yeah, okay.
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So the neck is a big one.
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Uh we do see a lot of neck issues.
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Could you explain?
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Is there something outside of the protocols that we offer that you've been placing the pads that you've seen a lot of success with?
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Um for shoulders, uh for well, I I'm I'm a big AK guy, so applied kinesiology, so I do a lot of muscle testing.
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So depending of my finding of what I find, if I see like a muscle that doesn't turn off or um or a muscle that is always turned off, I will play, I will place the pad in the different manner.
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So let's say that if a muscle doesn't turn off, though I'm I'm gonna put the red lead more closer to the tendon.
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Got it.
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If if if a muscle like is not turning on, so I will put the left lead more towards the uh belly of the muscle.
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So I don't know, for me it worked.
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For me it worked.
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It seems that the the red lead you have like less electricity and less firing pattern there.
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So it's kind of by if you put it closer to the tendon, you're increasing your chance of increasing the 1D afferin that's turning off the muscle.
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It's it's it's closer to reality than if you put it on the belly.
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With you're in you're speaking in terms of the red leave.
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Yeah, yeah, red lead, yeah.
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That makes a lot of sense because um in those of those people out there with DC, what we mean by red and black, the red is going to be the positive, the black's the negative, and it starts with the black, it runs to the red.
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So yeah, you're correct.
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That's often how we kind of ascribe to our thinking as well.
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We'll we'll anchor, you know, a point where it's just not firing with the black lead because it is a heavier hit, and some of that you know, passive or more you know hypotonic area we'll place with the red.
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In your case, here you're using the tendon.
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Um so with with the neck, where would you be placing that?
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Um the neck.
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Well, you mean the neck or the shoulder?
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Um, if we're talking neck pain in particular, because you said you had a lot of you sorry.
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Across across let's say for neck pain, I put it across the neck, so uh so the le the pad will run this way.
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The black one, uh the back one.
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Okay, and I will put the the the red one more over the uh lower trap.
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Okay, so depending depending on what I yeah, right there.
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Down here, almost like by the red.
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Well, a little bit lower, a little bit lower than that because I want the uh current to uh travel a little bit more, yeah.
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Yeah, right here.
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Perfect, yeah.
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Boy, I love it.
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And you're just using the two pads.
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Well, yeah, most of the time I'm only using two pads.
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Sometimes I use four, but uh like I was saying, like the red lead and the the black lead, the positive and the negative.
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Uh when let's say that you have an accelerator accelerated nerve compressed in the uh quadrant.
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Grangular space of your shoulder, right between the terrace minor, terrace major, triceps, and humerus.
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Yeah.
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So I try multiple things because the when you have this kind of a syndrome, nerve entrapment, sometimes it's because your lower trap and your serratus and terrain is not firing properly.
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So I did try to put the the the the pad there, but for me, the most efficient like result that I had is like putting like the black lead over the terrace minor and the red lead over the triceps.
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And for me, I mean uh I I don't know if it makes sense to you guys, but that's the thing that I tried.
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And wow, I mean, right after that, I mean the nerve was well, the shoulder, the especially the uh delta lid was uh was live again.
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That's interesting.
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So that this is a different way to see this because we we have we have activated like this area a lot with the black uh super spinatus, simfraspinatus, teres, um, but not with the tricep like that, you know, to improve on neck pain.
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So that's that's a really cool setup.
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I might have to try that.
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So so let's say we're we're kind of far out neck pain, but it's still the same way.
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Let's say that your deltoid is like less efficient, inhibited.
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So if your deltoid is inhibited, so your trap will contract a little bit more to compensate for the shoulder stability there.
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So if the right trap, let's say the right shoulder is the right delt is inhibited, so the right trap will firing a bit more, so it will increase tension over the neck uh the the neck over the right side.
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So so if we want to increase the firing pattern of the delt, so it's either like we have to firing the muscle, or we have to find out why this muscle is inhibited.
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So that's why I'm talking about the accelerator nerve here in the quadrangular space.
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Yeah, yeah, uh this is good stuff.
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Um, probably probably more in depth than what we've seen in a while.
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So I love where you're going with this.
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What are besides neck pain, what are some other common conditions that you've seen success with using direct current?
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I use your uh concussion protocol, so the one with the the the the pads under underneath the um the feet and the uh on on the neck.
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It it works great, and I love the bucket of water as well for feet.
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All right, it's my favorite one there, doc.
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That's amazing, and and especially, I mean, not only for feet, but let's say that for um uh dizziness as well.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, so to increase the proprioception on the feet, so it kind of gives you like another system to rely on.
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So if your feet is like uh alive a little bit more, yeah.
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:03.920
So if someone had vertigo, would you say that this device would be helpful for that?
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:08.480
Well, it depends what kind of vertigo, but uh, but for some of them, yeah.
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:13.039
For unsteadiness, I would say, because vertigo is a like it's a big world.
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:26.480
Yeah, it's too big to say, like with vertigo, it would be good to put the your feet in the water with the leaves there.
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:35.440
Uh I would say for unsteadiness, which is kind of vertical, uh different saying differently, uh it works great.
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:45.920
Especially let's say that you test the patient and he's kind of unsteady um on the foam with his eyes open.
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.440
That's when I would use the uh the bucket of water.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:54.000
If he closes his eyes and he's unsteady, I'm thinking more vestibular.
00:25:54.400 --> 00:26:09.359
But uh let's say that uh if his eyes is open, especially an athlete on a foam or uh on the solid ground, pandemic or like uh feet closer together and like they're unsteady or standing on one foot, they're unsteady.
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.039
That's the first thing I would try.
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:16.400
Put them in the water to increase the fine pattern of the uh the nervous system there.
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:24.400
I love I love hearing that we we've seen so many good results using the foot bath, um, water in general, even with the hand bath.
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:30.880
Uh, so good to the point where we're creating protocols for shoulders all the way down to feet rather than just focusing on the ankle.
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.920
People think foot bath and they think, well, it's only for ankles.
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.920
Um but but you would you would disagree with that as well, right?
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.720
You could see some benefits of helping the entire body.
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:41.440
Yeah.
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.279
That brings me up to a question, you know, that that's an interesting point.
00:26:49.440 --> 00:27:01.920
So have you seen a lot of these cases where patients they've tried other treatments for multiple months at a time without success, and then their response to a direct current was was very similar to that.
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.519
Have you seen a lot of patients like this?
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:06.640
Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.000
Yeah, wow.
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:10.400
That's amazing.
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.920
Especially with you know, you're you're obviously very well versed on the technology that's out there.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.400
You're you're using a lot of the things that actually do work.
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.920
I know that it's it's not that this you're not a doctor that goes out there and buys the next shiny toy.
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.160
At least that's not what I got when I was looking on the website.
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.480
You bought things that have proven results.
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.960
So to hear you say, I bought a lot of things.
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:36.079
I bought a lot of things, but there's some things I bought and I only use it once.
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.799
So so I want I want it I want the toy to make it different.
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:41.759
Yeah.
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:49.839
So and and and not in the in the not in the short run, but but when you buy something, you really want it to work, right?
00:27:49.920 --> 00:28:06.480
So you try it over and over and over over the week, and you're kind of thinking that well, now that this is gonna work, or you change your technique or stuff like that, and and you're pretty sure that it's gonna work, but but you only know if it's working when the patient comes back.
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:12.799
So if he comes back and he's and he's saying to you, wow, this is the best treatment that I had for a while.
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:19.519
So now you know that the stuff that you did, the technique that you change, or the uh the gadget that you use.
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:25.839
I'm not saying that the DX500 is a gadget, but the technology that you use, maybe there's something there.
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:34.000
So that's when I'm still that that's when I'm telling myself, well, this is the technology I will still use now.
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:35.519
That's that's good.
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:46.000
So, Doctor, what what what inspires you, or I guess I should say, you know, when the patient comes in, how do you determine, you know, which technology you're gonna use?
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.440
Is there a certain process to that?
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.119
Are you going through certain tests?
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:56.079
And after they pass that test or go through it or maybe fail it, you're you're like, okay, this is direct current, or maybe this is the gyro stim.
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:04.640
Is there something a process like that, or do you have something lately that uh kind of pulls you in and like this is my go-to, this is where I'm gonna treat?
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:11.920
Well, let's put it this way every time I want to change a motor pattern, I'll use the DX500.
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:17.920
So if I want to decrease pain, I will use the DX500.
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:30.960
If I want to do something else, let's say that the this person has a job problem and I want to uh increase the trigeminal in a specific branch, I won't use, I would, I would use something else, you know.
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:41.839
But but basically for pain and for reprogramming the motor pattern, every time I use the uh DX500, which is almost all my patients.
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.079
Yeah.
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:52.799
In the different in the in in in well, depending on where they are in their care, it will depend when I'm gonna use the DX500 or not.
00:29:52.880 --> 00:30:02.799
But sometimes if the let's say that they get the they come in to me because they're really dizzy and they just got concussed, uh sometimes I won't use it.
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.920
I will use something else.
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.279
I will use a cold laser or something like that with the treatment.
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.079
But uh, as soon as they're more stable, I will use the concussion protocol.
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:19.440
Yeah, or I'll use the footbat, or I'll use the uh neck uh uh the um neck protocol.
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:26.799
You you've uh you've clearly had a a career, a wide enough career to to bring a lot of knowledge.
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.920
Where would you say what attributed to that?
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.279
Like how long have you been a doctor?
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.799
What inspired that to bring you into this world of helping people?
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.400
You clearly have a passion for it.
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.960
Obviously, um you've put a lot of time, you've invested a lot of money in it.
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.119
Uh, where where did that start?
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.279
Yeah, about 30 years ago.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.359
I in uh I'm a Palmer grad in uh Iowa, Iowa.
00:30:49.759 --> 00:31:01.359
Uh I graduated, I graduated in the 96, class of 96, and I moved uh I'm I'm from originally I'm from Quebec City, so in Canada, the French part.
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.079
So uh I moved back in here.
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.920
I started a clinic.
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:14.319
Um and uh at first when I really started that I was I was more involved in everything about the movement.
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:26.960
So we back in the early 90s, mid-90s, I would say, um there was not a lot of people that were using uh um motion sensors to analyze the movement.
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:35.440
So we were the first one in Quebec and maybe the first tens uh out of uh Canada to use that.
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:41.119
So we were using it for golfers and for um baseball players.
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:52.079
So we were uh testing the the kinematics uh on every player's and trying to find out the body swing connection.
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.680
Okay, wow.
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.119
Where if there's if there's a gap in the body swing connection.
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:03.279
So and we were trying to refix or re-app that after a while.
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:17.759
Um after seeing like a lot of patients, the thing that I found out is most sometimes I mean the kinetic link was perfect or was horrible, but the the athlete was pretty good.
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.000
Yeah, so I said maybe there's something else deeper than that.
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:43.599
And and I got involved with the functional neurology uh in uh back in the 2010s, and and I my focus was more on athletes, but about five years ago we started this big clinic uh for concussion, and basically that's the only thing that we uh run there, concussion patient at this clinic there.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:49.920
And the other clinic that I have is more uh um uh uh sports injuries.
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:56.480
Boy, I I you know we I wish we could clone you and and and sprawl you all over all over the states.
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.839
We we have a lot of good doctors in the states, but not enough.
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.799
And Quebec is lucky to have you.
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.839
Uh thank you.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:10.720
I I I gotta I gotta say, uh we we have we have some contacts in the CFL and some baseball players out there.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:19.119
Now I know where to send them and um with with good, like basically with good confidence, knowing that they're gonna be taken care of.
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.279
There's a lot of people listening.
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:28.400
Um, for for someone who's listening right now, they're dealing with chronic pain, perhaps even movement issues.
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:35.119
What advice would you give to them in finding the right approach to get the right treatment, to find the right doctor?
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:43.839
Because unfortunately, Philippe, this may be a surprise to you, but not a lot of doctors are as good as you are and care as much about helping their patients as you do.
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.920
Some do, but not a lot.
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:52.079
Well, everything is is it's coming from the assessment, is the way that you assess people.
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.640
I mean, like I was saying before, the SFMA was a big deal for me.
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:08.400
So I think they're um the way that they assess people is pretty, pretty good in the um sports injuries uh uh field as well as the um pain field.
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:22.079
Um as far as uh more neural stuff, uh I like the Kerrick Institute, the way that they teach how to integrate the functional neurology in your practice, I think it's pretty good.
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.920
Um you you need a doctor that will that will be listening to you.
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:41.840
So so basically after 30 years, sometimes when I when I look back, uh the less that you know, the more than you think you know.
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.880
So so you don't listen much, you know what I mean?
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:52.880
Oh, I think after a while, I mean when you know a bit more, you say, Wow, I mean, I didn't know a shit then.
00:34:53.519 --> 00:35:00.960
Um but but the thing is to find a good doctor is first of all, is a doctor who's gonna listen to you.
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:01.599
Yeah.
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.800
And listen to your problem because most of the time the patient will tell you where to look.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:16.639
And then if you get if you get a if you have a good toolbox, I mean you can you can help more patients.
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.840
So there's there's some good advice.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:25.519
Find a doctor who listens to you and doesn't just do a cookie cut setup and treat you like every other patient.
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.320
Yeah, that's again, everybody is different.
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.440
Everybody is different.
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:29.840
Yeah.
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.119
Uh Dr.
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.880
Philippe, you've been wonderful.
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.480
Um, I appreciate your answers.
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:35.440
Phenomenal.
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.039
Uh, you know, it's a dive.
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:43.119
We I I'd personally love to have you back, hear more of your success because you've only had this for how long?
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.519
I would say five months.
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.719
Five months.
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.320
Uh I can't wait after another five months.
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.800
Um, how much more you've brought up?
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.880
Yeah, so so I I just ordered one unit, you know, just to start with.
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.280
And now I'm I'm gonna have more.
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.639
So so I I need more.
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.000
I mean, I need more patients.
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.360
And my other associate in the clinic, they want they want it too because they saw the results.
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.880
So so yeah.
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.360
And next time we'll do it in French, right?
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:21.599
Well, I have to get an interpreter, but yeah, I think I think to be fair, maybe we should.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.840
Doctor, how can how can people find you?
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.079
Is there a is there a website or we have we have two website two websites?
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:31.440
Uh I'm easy to reach.
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:40.079
The first one is uh W Optimum Chiropractic.com, and the other one is uh Project Inisphere.com.
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:41.119
Yep.
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:41.679
There you go.
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:42.239
Exactly.
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:42.880
Wonderful.
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:43.519
Here we go.
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.239
Uh yeah.
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.440
I Dr.
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.280
Philippe, I appreciate your time.
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.960
Um, you you like I said, you you're uh you're always welcome here.
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.280
Uh please reach out, don't be a stranger.
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.719
And uh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna have to have you back if you're okay.
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.239
All right, you're doing a great job.
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.920
I mean, I I love you guys so and I love your uh I love your stuff.
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:03.280
I mean, uh yeah.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.320
That means a lot.
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.119
We love you too.
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.039
And it changed change a lot.
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.920
When when people are in Quebec, uh, we know we're we're gonna send them.
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.440
Uh it's gonna be Dr.
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.079
Philippe.
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.000
All right, thank you.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.199
Thank you, everyone, for joining in and um all the listeners.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:26.159
If you have any questions regarding direct current, feel free to reach out to us at nervotics.com, n-e r v e o t x dot com.
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.880
And uh until next time, thanks a lot, everyone.
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:30.400
Thank you, Jay.
