V - UK Visitation | Big Finish Review

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Greetings and salutations everybody. We are back. It has been
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a while. I think our last episode was July fourths,
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over two months ago.
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I mean, in the jungle, you must wait until the
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dice read five or eight. I didn't know the game
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was gonna be that literal. They should have had a warning.
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Maybe speechless Cybin pres He said, I couldn't say any better.
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I couldn't say any better, Lego.
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How are you well now that I'm out of that
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jungle and survived the lion attack and the monkeys and
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the mosquitos?
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Better now the same? We're also in a jungle here.
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And the fact that the channel as a whole, not
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was this show, but this show was probably the most effective.
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I feel like we didn't get a chance to do
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a whole lot. We actually did our first adjacent episode
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and covering Independence Day, and then we just like went
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in radio silent. It was like we were canceling the
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show or something, but we're not. We just didn't have
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a schedule that messed. Things are going on left and right.
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The jungle was on fire. We are caught in it.
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But we are back finally to cover the first of
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two big, big finished projects. This big Finish is an
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audio company from the UK and they have done many,
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many different stories over the year. Best known, probably at
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least in my circle. I don't know about anybody else,
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but for doing a lot of Doctor Who content a
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lot with your Shadows.
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Yes, yes, yes, they are for doing dark Shadows. Absolutely
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best known for doing Doctor Who Dark Shadows. We're on
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the same day saying the same thing.
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We are so obviously opposite the same Thingge, But that's okay,
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that's okay. I know you love your dark Shadows, and
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I don't blame you for that, but we were supposed
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to do this so long ago. Technically, speaking of that,
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the second one has actually come out and it's in
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the mail for me. I actually have the digital file.
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I've not listened to it yet. My CDs are in
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the mail so so much so that we're going to
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be able to cover back to back just part two. CDs.
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You're they're actually the little discs that come in. I
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just wanted a physical copy. I I actually don't have
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a player. That's where I play my CD. I play
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my CDs and DVD players. The blue rays they don't
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have actual player anymore. Uh so what I get them?
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I don't know. I kind of like the book that
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I wanted to get the physical copy. I want to
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support fee because I want to get all this content
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as much as we can. Yeah, we have Visitation this week,
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and our next episode will be Occupation, which is the
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second part, and then we will go back to some
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adjacent storytelling for legos take at that point big finish.
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So if I didn't explain it clearly, it is an
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audio company and audio they prefer they do full cast,
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sound effect music audio productions, and that is We're not
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gonna lie. We're just gonna come right out in front
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and say this is a little bit of a struggle
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for both of us. Versus is not our preferred format.
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We are definitely very visual people. I love music and
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audios wise that way, but for narrative stories, I barely
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even listen to audio books, which I know is the
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big thing. A lot of people love audio books and stuff.
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I barely do that. Every once in a while, I've
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listened to the audio dramas like this, but for the
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most part, I prefer my art visual. But we are
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completest and this is it's hard to do a show
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called review about v when this is the new This
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is the new product about V is the new release
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we've had our first release since well, Lego's favorite series
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of all time, the two thousand and nine remake of V.
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For those in the audio sign if you could have
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seen that, look, I think, yeah, you would see something very,
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very scary. But we both have admitted we've struggled with
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you with the medium a little bit. However, I think
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it's definitely a worthwhile. Listen, we're gonna break it down.
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We have. It came in three parts, it's about three
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hours or so, and the most important part about it
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for me was that Kenneth Johnson was directly involved. We
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got the rights from him, and he was kind of involved.
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Didn't write the story, but I mean pretty much DIGS
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was based on his script, and quite frankly, it is
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a pretty faithful overall update of the story. It is not,
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i mean obviously not taking place in nineteen eighty three
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in Los Angeles. It's taking place twenty twenty five in
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the UK. But outside of that, barring a few streamlining,
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streamlining of the show, streamlining of the cast, and obviously
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playing towards the medium a little bit, some things that
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they like well discussed as we get through are some
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things that are probably just very visual. They had to
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find a way to portray it audio wise. Besides that, overall,
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I thought it was pretty faithful. Do you have any
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overall thoughts on it?
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Lego. I thought it was a little too faithful, to
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the point where I felt like it was slightly lacking
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in I don't want to say authenticity, but there was
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just something about it that felt like still felt like
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outdated because it was so faithful, and especially it's more
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obvious because in the eighties I can suspend my disbelief
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because I wasn't alive in that time. But now when
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we've updated it and I am alive, I can look
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around and present. There's things about it that feel like
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this is just such a pessimistic take there were This
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just feels unrealistic, or by not involving like a kleb character,
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it feels lacking and I'm waiting for things to appear
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because we know what people are like now, and with
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not having characters that represent these present day archetypes, they
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just feel like, yeah, outdated.
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I can't understand that. I guess her degree. It's definitely
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not the sprawling cast of like hundreds that the original
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miniseries had. Obviously we have our main cast are still
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our main functionary, the Donovans, the Jewlis, the Dianas. We
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do have some interesting updates on we don't have a
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Jewish family anymore. Instead see family from South Africa, or
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at least the grandfather Abraham is from South Africa. And
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that's how we continue to try to showcase the updated
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version of instead of being from World War Two and
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the Jewish side of things that was now South Africa
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and the iPort. There are struggles which you have similarities.
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But that has some twisting. I don't know.
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I don't know if that's why, maybe a UK thing
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as well, perhaps it's specifically rejoined.
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Well. I think the issue for me came in with
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like they basically made essentially made Daniel an angry black man,
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which is its own kind of negative stereotypes or like
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m I don't know about that one.
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Let's see that I can see that I didn't didn't
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strike me as any different. It just strikes me that
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that they were trying to almost combine like the Tailors
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and the Bernstein's as one. But I guess in a
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way it does. It does four case those kind of
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problems in that way, because Daniel is still the same Daniel.
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Yeah, because that's that's what happens when you you have
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a story and you have these characters that you're just
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kind of transposing, and if you may make them a
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different race, but keeps the character exactly the same, well
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it doesn't play the same. Maybe you should have updated
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that part too.
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Hm, makes sense, It makes sense. I did like the
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performance of Abraham quite a bit. I thought he was
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probably the most stand out. One of the most stand
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out performances we had, which is talk with Michael Samino
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from the original eighty three mini series was pretty stand
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out in his time. I don't know what did you like,
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what'd you think of him? You at with him?
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Or I mean, I don't think I could really say
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anything about anyone's performance. I'm not good at judging judging
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that on an audio. I don't think anyone was a
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standout in a positive or negative way. Then. Honestly, I
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at a very difficult time identifying who was speaking. I
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was really only able to tell based on context anyway
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that male voice versus female voice.
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That it's kind of understandable. I mean, two degree, that's
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part of the reasons why I think we struggled with
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the me There's some people who like PJ. Campbell, who
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loves the Doctor Who's Top and he can He'll swear
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by it, and he listens to it all the time,
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and he gets so much out of it. He tries
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to push me into it. I listened to a few
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things from him, and I get the same thing that
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you get. Sometimes I have a hard time sometimes following it,
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especially because like there is more chaotic shows like Doctor
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Doctor Who is a very chaotic show at times, so
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trying to figure out who is who. I knew who
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the doctor was when he was talking, but I had
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hard times sometimes otherwise. Also, of course, we have actors
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who are playing the same are playing actually performing similar
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roles or like let's say multiple roles. I should say, like,
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for example, Andrew Jamie Spooner played Richard Maxwell, Doctor Metz,
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and John, so all three of those characters were one
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act was one actor, and likewise Arabella James, Ruth Jennet
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and Maybus. I don't know who maybe this is, but
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so there's a bunch of people who did multiple roles,
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so that definitely didn't help that situation. I guess, but
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I would I would point out if I would disagree
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with you in terms of any pointed I did. I
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did like it's Jeffrey Amer who played Abraham. I really
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liked him. I also lob on to Donovan, who was
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played by Jack Myers. I believe he kind of stung
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stuck out, stuck out to me as a pretty unique,
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not unique voice, but like a unique amongst the cast
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we have here. I thought he was well done. I
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was not as big a fan I will admit of Diana.
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She came across a little too, although I shouldn't hold
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back and say that because this is part one of
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the first three, the first three parts, she's still kind
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of more in if you remember back. Even Jane Badler
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the first like episode or two of the miniseries, she
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tends to be like very not playful is the wrong word,
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but she comes off like and because you don't see
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her dark side until the more we go on, it's
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a you first meet Jane Bawder's character, she comes across
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very kind of to beure and very like this low
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key whereas I think very yes, exactly. So it's hard,
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it's it's hard to judge this character yet until we
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get to see her really grab by the guts, so
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we'll have to see how that goes.
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Like her. With the way they were modulating the voice,
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it just felt the performance felt too flat.
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it means. She doesn't have a lot of guts yet
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to it. It's that very flats to it. The modifications
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actually did sound very similar to the eighty three version.
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It kind of feels like it was the same type
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of modulation, which I was impressed. I like I had
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some of the same sound effectually a laser blast sound
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a kind of the same as well, So that kind
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of at least kept me in the the mode I
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should say. Let's talk mostly though about some of the
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changes that we were mentioning, Like for we eliminate the tailors,
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it seems to be eliminate Willie entirely so far did
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not see really and that kind of like that's my
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biggest disappointment from this because that's a character I feel like.
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Well, we wouldn't well, I think you have to happen,
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but I think he's going to be the next part
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right when we couldn't the visitor.
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It could be shifted over, and that's the thing that
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so at this point, I will say, even though it
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has been pretty faithful and trying to follow along, I'm
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trying to remember. I thought, for whatever reason, that we
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had maybe seen him in the miniseries already, But I
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know that we have shifted some things over a little bit,
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especially without the Taylor's being there with that.
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So yeah, we've met him with the tailors, so.
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That'd be kind of things and now we've got to
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shift that and maybe introduce him somewhere else, I do hope.
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So I think that without him it becomes kind of
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a struggle. I know, they also kind of seem to
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eliminate Martin. We just had Barbara instead of Martin. I mean,
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Barbara was the one who Donovan, you know, shot called
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a Iguanda get out in the first place. The whole
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conversation that initially took place between Martin dond was done
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by Barbara this time. So I feel like that might
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be a case of streamlining, and I'd be okay with that.
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I think I still have it settled in my mind
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on that. I mean, I kind of really liked Frank
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Ashmore and Martin so and I do think that Barbara
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and then Lorraine in the final battle were kind of
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just underutilized in a way at times, so maybe just
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having them be the same character might might be might
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be beneficial for them potentially. Did you know did you
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notice that at all? Did you think anything differently about
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having Barbara there instead of Martin?
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the voice. I'm like, well, this is going to be someone.
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But then she introduced herself as Barbara, and I remember
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how the scene played out. I mean, I think, as
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long as you have the character there, you don't need both.
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Which makes sense, and actually it absolutely makes sense. And
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if you're going to streamline some characters some ways, that's
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actually one they could do for sure. Another another good
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streamlining of character is I think, or at least a
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decent enough streamlining. It doesn't seem like Robin has any siblings.
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It's time around, go ahead?
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Why did we keep Robin?
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Robin's gonna have to have the baby at some point?
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Is that necessary? Though? Is that thematically necessary to fascism
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could take over? We need a baby? We don't. That's
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actually not necessary. It is utterly unnecessary. Kenn Johnson, Why
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what is your obsession with this, sir?
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I'm starting question you cruelty? Her cruelty.
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I think I'm pretty sure that he shows her cruelty
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in a lot of other ways, that the same thing
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is shown in so many other ways. I think eating people.
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There you go, you showed her cruelty. You did it.
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You could have had her eat it child. You can't
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show that, but you can explain it. And and I
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audio drama. She ate a baby, there we go. I
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just made her so much worse. And we didn't have
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to have Robin. They made Robin worse, feel worse.
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This is the worst rob them interesting.
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I didn't think godhead, I didn't think they could do it,
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but they did. And part of that is because she
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still feels like a badly written eighties girl, like that
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men old men created. It's twenty twenty five. We couldn't
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couldn't reach out to anyone and say, hey, what do
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we think of this?
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In twenty twenty.
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Five, no woman was around. I mean, I know Carrie
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Fisher has left this world, but we don't have a
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modern day equivalent for her to take a red pen click, click,
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let's go over this.
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That's yeah, right, that's fair. That is fair.
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We got to get a lady script doctor up in here.
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I did think that the atory like Taylor Swift drop
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a name drop was kind of like a very cheesy, forced.
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Thing, like I've missed that.
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Who do the kids like these days? It was like
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basically when Robin went into the Maxwell car and she
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asked about listening to Taylor Swift instead of like, I
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don't know, listening to whatever the news broadcast.
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Like Chuck Berry.
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There you go.
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I caught Chuck Berry, not Taylor Slips. I think that's
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it's all you need to know about me.
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That was actually kind of interesting, I did. I actually
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did like the Chuck Berry, Like the whole idea of
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the visitors using the media and like over that kind
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of thing. That kind of like was interesting. This is
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an interesting way to show that they've been watching us
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for all these times. Everything else that's saying it. They
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just kind of like broadcast those clips. That was kind
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of cool. I think like I did like that aspect
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I would, to be honest. But going back to the
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Maxwell's first, I did find out we both questioned it.
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I till I mentioned that it's not Robert Maxwell's Richard Maxwell,
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and you said it's gotta be a fairy good dick joke,
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but it's not. I heard from one of our viewers.
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They come, yeah, I looked him up. He was not
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a good man.
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I suppose, yes, not a good man, and now he is.
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So they just probably want to distance themselves from that.
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Especially it would be like if they called him his
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original name was, Oh my god, what was his name? Ponzi?
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Oh, yeah, I know you're trying. Yeah, yes, agreed, exact
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same kind of thing. So that would be. So that's
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the reason why it makes a lot of sense now,
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and I'm okay with the change. That's that's the case.
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You going like have that kind of illusions.
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I got it really late. You did get we'll call
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him Tucker. Made off.
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Any reason for Tucker, just.
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That just keeping it okay, fair, you know, keeping it
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you know similar, you know, got.
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A He really quickly came to that, like you're like
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you planned that.
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That was right off the cuff.
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I believe that. I do believe that, you know, it
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felt like that's why I asked. I came across over
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like you had thought about it. I will say also,
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that was one of those I mentioned. I think I
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don't remember versus Awfull we you're talking about this before
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we started hitting record. The script is very close in
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some ways, and the actually aped even a few lines
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from kenn of Johnson's original. That was another one of
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those lines that it was aped at one point when
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well Richard Maxwell and his wife were talking about the
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party they're at, and there was this the whole joke
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about you know, are you gonna run off the serious?
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Get serious line that they said to each other, little joke,
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which was fine. There was a lot of streamlining of
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things as well, though I think that like the idea
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of Robin was at that party and that's where she
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meets Brian instead of this, I mean the whole, the
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whole without the tailors and without Donovan's anybody from Donovan's
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family actually no, no Arthur, no Mom, and Donnovan, no anybody,
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Like we didn't have the facilities and where we're going
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to meet the tailor, where the Taylors worked, the the
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the factory or whatever it was, the whatever they they're
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making this material from. So without that, they had to
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force a lot of different situations, and one that was
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Robin being at the party and Donovan himself as a
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essayler in the update instead of being a newsman now
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he's a documentary filmmaker. That rank kind of like a
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good kind of updates. I feel like a newsman doesn't
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have the same type of vibe that it had back
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in the age whatever, it can be a real newsman
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and come across, but having a documentary filmmaker doing that,
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that made a lot more sense. Speaking of that, Donald,
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we have just Donovan's partner Tony. I think that was
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another cool update that Tony actually made it to the
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ship and kind of was listening to Donovan because that
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was one of those things I was talking before. They
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had a lot of things like Donovan's whole first time
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into the Mothership where he discovers that the aliens or
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aliens whatever. A lot of that in the in the
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mini series was done without dialog. It was all kind
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of Donovan witnessing things, so having Tony kind of be
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a man to chair where Donovan kind of report back
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what was going on. But I think it was a
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clever enough way to kind of like get get what
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we needed to know out of that without having to,
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like you know sort to anything else. Similarly, we donovant.
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We don't have that beginning where Donovan goes to Sean's
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neighborhood and it's all destroyed and the means Josh. Instead,
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we don't even get that. We just have Donovan telling Tony,
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did Sean you remember.
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Sean unnamed child? Yes? He was mentioned a few times.
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He's eleven years old now, Yes, eleven.
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Years old now, and he is not appearing though they
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didn't really appear as much like it in this one.
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They kind of like were all of a sudden gone.
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It feels like that's another word we were streamlining it again.
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We might get to meet them later on, but I'm
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not sure how I felt about that. It obviously kind
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of felt like taking that away from him. I think
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I thought I thought seeing Marjorie and seeing Sean kind
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of humanized Donovan a bit more. What do you think
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about not getting as much with them?
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I mean, I think it's fine because to be honest,
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it's it's showing him as an absent father and he
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doesn't talk about them. But I think the point of
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him was that he is an absent father.
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Okay, that's fair, that's very fair. And the other thoughts
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about Donovan in general, like what compared to Mark Singer
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is Donovan? Like, how are we dealing with that? How
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are you doing with that idea?
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I guess fine, okay, okay.
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Stop very yet I get that I feel like going
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on to different character than I will. Feel like that
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they made Julie a more It seemed like she was
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more active in this one. It felt like she got
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more like I don't know whether it was the stuff
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with doctor Metz or the stuff with her boyfriend Benny.
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I think I felt like it was exactly the same.
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I don't know, maybe it was just the performance, but
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it kind of felt like she was less meek in
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a way. She kind of felt more. Maybe aggressive is
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the right tone for it. Aggressive sounds wrong, but it's
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just it's not the right word I'm looking for. I
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don't know how to explain it. It felt more. I
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guess active is the way I wanted to say it.
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But she felt like more like she was taking charge
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a little bit sooner than she did in the previous one. Wrong,
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But the doctor Metz part of it was the interesting
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part to me. He got more involved, including that little
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phone call between them at one point, which kind of
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know where doctor Mets was trying to convince Julie to
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come in and like after he was obviously converted now
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at this point, so Mets just converted smoke. But once
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in the move the in the show, when Mets was
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taken away after the file was found, like we never
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saw him again that it was pre much yet, but
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now we're kind of like she they're using Mets to
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try to trap Julie and everything else. Most importantly, this
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is something I again maybe I got distracted during So
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this is something and I know this is really quite
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what we said. We struggled with these things. Got to
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that scene in the Resistance headquarters where Julie is kind
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of like breaking down a little bit because she's not
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quite confident enough to lead the resistance or whatever. And
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in the mini series it was Ruby who was the
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friends of Abraham who kind of like helped her talk
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through it. All of a sudden we had this like female.
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I didn't know who that person was who was talking
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to her, So that definitely didn't work out for me
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talking about just a random resistance writer. We never re
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inerd of this is talking Julie up. It made a
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sense when it was Rupie who got to me a
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few times being your stores. She was coming from a
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little bit that work. This one didn't. Unfortunately. What did
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you think about Donovan and Christine in this one? Anything?
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I think once again, I'm like, wow, you're Christine just
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doesn't work for me in a modern setting. It feels
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very regressive. They bade at me. It just it felt
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so so much like an old man writing a woman
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what they feel like a modern woman is. It was
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just I did not like that at all. Okay, that's fair,
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And it made Donovan seem like such.
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A whole Oh okay, tell me why because I didn't
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get that as much as you did, obviously.
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Because I don't remember the specific words that were used.
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I just remember or like listening to it and like
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the way that he's treating her and what he's saying
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to her just felt like so shitty.
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Interesting.
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I didn't rich right after she's taken like the toast,
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like they're doing the toast because she's in she got
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the interview with Diana or whatever. Right, Yeah, I just
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it just felt like he just seems so she seems
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to douche.
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Wow. Interesting, I did not I did not interpret it
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that way did not bother me for some reason. Maybe
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I'm the douce to them.
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And then yeah, and in twenty twenty five, it just
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it's if she's not like a conservative TV show hosts,
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it's not working for me. It's it's not working her.
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Her characterization is not working for me. Like this whole
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thing of like a woman like just walking over people
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to rise up the ranks and like you know, doing
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what she's got to do to to get her screen time. Essentially,
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in twenty twenty five, it's twenty twenty five, guys like, stop.
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Okay, all right, I've been leading this conversation to brow.
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What did you have any notes that you wanted to
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throw out there that you something you wanted to talk about?
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Okay, as soon as you said that, my eyes dropped.
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Dear god, they made Robin worse. I just wanted to note.
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That the thin is, I hate Robin as much as
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you did in the original, but I didn't find it.
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Maybe it's because I was maybe I kind of don't
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know what's word like, I'm used to it, or I
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was ready for it to be bad. I never really
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00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.440
liked Robin, so maybe it didn't bother me as much
484
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.200
but go ahead, what else you got on there?
485
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.720
Let's see we have overt references to like which hunts
486
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.559
and McCarthyism. They all but said they weren't fake news.
487
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:05.519
They're referencing like people's paranoia about like COVID, like ship
488
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.759
the masks, really really.
489
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:13.680
Like we really have that, We definitely had, We definitely
490
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.799
had the updates of that, the COVID things that.
491
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.160
It's like everything that they're bringing to the table is
492
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:29.759
hyper empathize, hyper empathy, bringing focus and like irising in
493
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.799
on all the negative and like worst parts of humanity,
494
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.880
which I feel like in the original we got the
495
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.559
worst and the best, but here I don't feel like
496
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.559
we're getting like that balance of like the worst and
497
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.880
the best. Where are I don't know? Because the thing
498
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.640
is it's also that they don't need to have any
499
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.000
single cast member do this. We can just have a
500
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.519
news report. We can just have someone mentioned that this
501
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.759
is a thing that's going on. Where are the people
502
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.359
who are like like super I've said this in the
503
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.680
original two. I think like, where are the hyper religious
504
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.880
people going like I don't I think this is a conspiracy,
505
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.599
Like where are the people who are the conspiracy theorists?
506
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.680
Going they're probably reptile people and being spot on the money.
507
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.240
Where are the reddit sleuths who are figuring out the
508
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.839
left handed thing? Because they would have you ever seen
509
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.200
reddit sluice bld.
510
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.640
They be sleuthing, but I don't know how right they are.
511
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.319
But no, no, no, there's like there's some guy on
512
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.599
YouTube and he does like like crime cases solved by
513
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.680
people online, and like it is impressive what they can do.
514
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.200
Isn't there a documentary too that's like that, like Don't
515
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:44.599
Fuck with Cats or something like that.
516
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:46.279
I've heard that documentary.
517
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.119
I think that's what it's about. I'm not sure. I
518
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:54.119
think it's but like there was just just this iris
519
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.559
sing in on in my opinion and over and I
520
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.640
can't say that word wow emphasize that's the one like
521
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.279
negativity and stupidity instead of bringing like a balanced look
522
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.960
at like what would happen. I'm looking for this to
523
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.880
be threads and it's really really not threads.
524
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.000
I do wonder if this is I mean, I guess
525
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:22.000
that's a victim of trying again trying to streamline it
526
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.759
so much. There is a lot of YadA YadA, YadA
527
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:26.440
a little bit.
528
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.559
It could just be mentioning this of like what people
529
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.920
are saying online a news report, Daniel or Robin watching
530
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:39.440
a video of someone talking about what's going on or online.
531
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.759
I wonder if it's the case of like that's what's
532
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.400
that might be happening as we move more and more forward,
533
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.880
like they first are going to get in there and
534
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.640
get there and get uh. This is the we're winning
535
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.160
you over for the most part, except for the people
536
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.319
like Abraham and like, it's that kind of like dread
537
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.640
of I mean it kind of the dread of days society.
538
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.480
And if you're a liberal and a conservative world, like
539
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.720
I mean, think what's happening over here? You got Trump
540
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.079
everything else, it's that shittiness going on that we like
541
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.119
they believe things are How do you believe these things?
542
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.359
I don't understand how you believe these things, But like
543
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.400
it's our heroes who are saying that and not everybody
544
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.079
else at this point. I think that that's.
545
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.519
Another thing is like I know they're replacing people and
546
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.160
they're doing conversions in this version as well, but I
547
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.799
don't think they would have time to have done it
548
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.839
to everybody to at the beginning, Like if you had
549
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.799
one side and we talked about this, I feel like
550
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:39.079
in every iteration, but like if you had like China
551
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.400
being like, yeah, we're all for the aliens, then you'd
552
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.720
have the US going then we're not right, right, Or
553
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.119
if you had like conservatives in any in any in
554
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.359
any like in the US or in England as well,
555
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.680
they're they're their setup is different, but it's the same
556
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.079
stupid shit. But if they had one side going like
557
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.480
we're for the aliens, the others I would be like
558
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.079
with him, we're not right.
559
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.920
There's a lot of less subtlety here. It's definitely more
560
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.640
of an over kind of thing. They're quickly winning everybody over.
561
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:16.960
It's just too quick, dumbed down. That's a I don't
562
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.039
feel like. I feel like the original was presenting something
563
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.960
that felt heartfelt and nuanced. I feel like this is
564
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.319
something I would watch on a Saturday morning cartoon.
565
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.400
Okay, all right, interesting, I mean I do agree to agree.
566
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:32.799
I think that's what I said. Like, what I'm saying
567
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.599
is yadda yady YadA, and it is a more a
568
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:35.720
quickiemart version of it.
569
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.440
I will say, yeah, okay. And it feels bizarre that
570
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.240
it's like the old people on the right side of
571
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.200
history and the young people are on the wrong side
572
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.759
of history.
573
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.920
Well, I mean how many? How many?
574
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.000
The writer?
575
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.279
I mean, it's based on kenn the Tnsscriverley to see
576
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.119
who actually John Jonathan Morris who I don't know that
577
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.960
Morris is. I don't they.
578
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:09.920
Don't want to be married.
579
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:11.680
But like.
580
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.000
Not to say young people can't be bad people, but
581
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.039
like overall that's just.
582
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.960
Not well, who do we have us? Who are our
583
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.839
characters who are young? We have Daniel, and we have Robbins,
584
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.079
anybody else I have been thinking of that's any young
585
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.119
at that point?
586
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.839
Yeah, but you're present. I mean I was specifically talking
587
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:33.839
about Abraham and Daniel.
588
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.519
Okay, that's fair. Fair.
589
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.720
I don't like Daniel could be Daniel in a household
590
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.039
where Abraham is present. Like, I don't think that you
591
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.480
get that child in that household.
592
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.559
Could I don't know, if I just I don't know, but.
593
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.079
He doesn't feel like I feel like you could reverse
594
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:03.160
it and like Grandpa could be like Daniel and Grandson
595
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.920
can be like Abraham. But I don't. I don't think
596
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.960
it works well.
597
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.519
I've seen it work the other way honestly at times,
598
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.239
which is interesting because like it's always you would think that,
599
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.800
but like there's like a lot I mean, I don't
600
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:18.400
want to bring this up like today, but like there's
601
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:23.800
a lot of young people who are being strikingly more
602
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.559
conservative than their four four birds were. That kind of
603
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.000
feels like that they are the ones who are starting
604
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.679
to believe something's more, especially especially here I've seen this happen.
605
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.519
Some people are kind of confused by it because usually
606
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.280
for the longest time it was exactly the opposite.
607
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.199
Because it's like the Alex Peketon thing.
608
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.800
Yeah, a little bit, that's a good point, that's a
609
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.199
good way it was. It does feel a little out
610
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.599
speakinans in a way.
611
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:54.320
I guess that I've meant more about the sexual assault stuff. Okay,
612
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.360
well in a little in cell right, Yeah, that's true,
613
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.800
in a little Uh. I hate the word ungrateful, Like
614
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.920
I don't like that word. I don't like using that word.
615
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:06.840
But I think for Daniel.
616
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.159
It is, yeah, very much, so is man. I know
617
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.079
he's struggling also obviously he's struggling with his father not
618
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.639
being in the picture or was it was he killed?
619
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.280
So overused again in twenty twenty five, you know, over
620
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.079
fifty percent of people, I think it's closer to seventy
621
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.800
five grew up in households without a biological father present.
622
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.039
I just don't think that's the issue that Yeah, I
623
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.000
just don't think the whole thing about daddy issues is
624
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.599
the problem that people think it is.
625
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.119
It's seven that's a that's a you're pulling out of
626
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.480
your ass. I think that's the ways you want to know.
627
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.159
Seventy five percent without.
628
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.840
Their biological father in the.
629
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:48.400
Household, seventy five percent. It's really sad that that that
630
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:50.559
sounds like, I'm sorry, I got to call you out
631
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.360
on that. That just sounds absolute.
632
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.679
Can I say that this thing has changed? And I
633
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.440
don't know how to mute my mic? Now? Is it.
634
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:00.599
There is?
635
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:00.920
Yeah?
636
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:03.840
You have to click on your profile screen there, so
637
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:04.760
get it there.
638
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.880
I'm just going to meet the mic itself. I hope
639
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.079
it works. There you go.
640
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.760
I just I hoping you do search this up because
641
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.920
I'm looking for those astics. I can't I can't possibly
642
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.159
fathom that seventy five percent. That just seems way out
643
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.039
of control. And you're talking, well, okay, I guess worldwide
644
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.320
it makes a little more sense maybe, but if you're
645
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.519
talking like, are you talking worldwide or are American or
646
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.199
what do you what are you getting it?
647
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.559
Okay, So I want to say, I did look this
648
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.519
up like ten years ago. So this is the AI overview.
649
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.920
Yeah, alr over lord overview.
650
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.360
Oh okay, whoa scroll down, not really giving me specifically
651
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:59.760
what I was looking for. Okay, So it says I
652
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.480
had inverse to numbers. That is my bad. That is
653
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.639
my bad. So it's twenty five percent of America grow
654
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.119
up without their biological father in the home.
655
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.679
Okay, that I'll buy. I will buy that. I'll buy that.
656
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.159
It's eighteen to nineteen million children in the United States.
657
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.400
I bet that would be ooh. Different cultures can be
658
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800
way crazier because in some places, I think it'd be
659
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.360
a lot higher. In some places, I think it'd be
660
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.360
way way way lower.
661
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:27.719
I fully agree the other resented to say that depending
662
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.039
on where you get that from. Some because some as
663
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.360
more cultures are even more family oriented than that would
664
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.480
be the that's all they are. But there are something
665
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.039
otherwises of cough but interesting number. It's a interesting numbers
666
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.920
as far as it relates to vise. Is it overused? Potentially?
667
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.079
It's funny. I think we're seeing a generational gap here
668
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.719
between you and me and away because this stuff is
669
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.079
not bothering me. But I'm an older white man that
670
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.119
doesn't like these are tropes are natural to me, and
671
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.400
I don't think that they Maybe I'm more forgiving of
672
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.360
it or tolerant of it because I'm just used to it.
673
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.519
And maybe that's what it is, and you're the younger
674
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.599
wanting to, you know, find a better way to do it.
675
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:06.039
It could be.
676
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.239
So I've been doom scrolling on Instagram lately. I've been
677
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.639
very stressed, and I got into book talk, which is
678
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.119
like Instagram where people are about books right anyway, But sadly, unfortunately,
679
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.480
once you go there, you go to a deep dark
680
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.239
place of of of things. I don't understand tentacles, I
681
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.519
don't understand. You don't get it. I don't want to
682
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.199
get it anyway. So there are some people who like
683
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.519
make their whole thing about book talk, and they were
684
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:44.760
asking viewers like our audiences, like what is the biggest
685
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.199
turn off a book like a romance book can do,
686
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.320
And the number one answer that they got from their
687
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:56.079
the people who took their poll was pregnancy. And I'm
688
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.880
like women, a lot of women nowadays don't like when
689
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:05.079
you throw a pregnancy plot into the story and listen,
690
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.880
that's not why I hate Robin, but I will say
691
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:11.840
myself and a lot of women don't like it when
692
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.039
you put pregnancy in the story. We weren't here for
693
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.159
the alien baby. We weren't here for that. But you
694
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.199
know what ro Man tentacles apparently.
695
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.320
Yeah, I'll tell you. But the argument is, what is
696
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.639
the most talked about thing about v nowadays? Like Dack
697
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.519
in the day of the mini series, one of the
698
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.679
most talked about moments was Robin giving birth. It was
699
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.480
it was the scene that stood the iconic egg.
700
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.039
Yeah, but you're talking about something from forty years ago
701
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.360
that was the most talked about thing forty years ago.
702
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.800
Is that what would be the most talked about thing today? Well?
703
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:51.639
Then again, but it than you're updating a story and
704
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.639
how much do you updated? How much you change it?
705
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:53.840
That?
706
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:55.719
I mean, how could you if you I feel like
707
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.840
having a Batman movie and Batman's not his parent weren't killed.
708
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:03.920
It's it's a very like you gotta we're.
709
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:05.679
Not okay, We'll hang on han hand. But that is
710
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.280
something that is foundational for the story that needs to
711
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.039
happen for the story. To happen. But it's more right
712
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.360
thing that Robin having the baby is foundational and necessary
713
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.360
thematically for this story. I think it exists within the
714
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.079
story thematics, however, it is not necessary to propel them forward,
715
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.559
and I think it could absolutely exist and possibly, in
716
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.880
my opinion, be better without the achy little baby nonsense.
717
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.440
Yeah, but but but that's what I'm saying. But what
718
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.280
I'm saying is like, Okay, yes, you're corrected. Maybe it's
719
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.039
not foundational for the story, but if you're going to
720
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.480
remake a classic and one of the most the most
721
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.119
iconic thing from that classic, you're not gonna you can't
722
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.000
excise one of the most iconic things for that class.
723
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.239
People are it's gonna be the only things you're expecting,
724
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.039
and people are gonna be looking forward to seeing, like
725
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.960
I would be shocked if there's no baby moment here,
726
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.039
a big baby moment here.
727
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.519
Follow up? Did people? Were people upset? Okay, so you've
728
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.840
seen the sixth sense spoilers for the sixth sense three
729
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.760
to one, spoiling the whole He's been dead the whole time, right, Okay,
730
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:10.280
So that's that's a conversation. That's a big talking point
731
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.760
with this movie. The twist, the twist, but when you
732
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:20.440
watch the movie, the twist is actually good, right, it works, right,
733
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.639
It's not just about the build up. And but with
734
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.360
with with V, I wonder was the build up because
735
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.000
that's the end of the at the end of the
736
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.000
is it the second episode.
737
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:34.840
The second episode of the final battle?
738
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.519
Okay, so was it the build up and the Oh
739
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.840
my god, that happened? But next now that we have
740
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.719
the baby and the star child and all that, did
741
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.440
anybody care about it? Or did People were just interested
742
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.000
in the build up, but then it happened and no
743
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:50.880
one gives an f.
744
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.360
Now that's a good question. When I was younger, I did.
745
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.119
I was kind of like, Okay, now we're just gonna
746
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:57.519
go with it.
747
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.920
We're a little baby p your mini BLD. You were
748
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:04.119
what is it? Baby muppet?
749
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.119
Maybe, but I honestly I remember, like, well, I mean
750
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:10.880
I think it was. I still think it was a
751
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.159
big part of the conversation. It was something it was
752
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.000
exciting for the people to see, and they kind of
753
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.880
and they enjoyed watching it. I mean, the story part
754
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.920
afterwards of having the hybrid child, I mean, it did
755
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.840
kind of drive the narrative a lot of Diana was
756
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.639
trying to get her, and I didn't drive the narrative.
757
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.239
I just didn't say that, but definitely had. There's a
758
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.760
key narrative point to it. I mean, John Kennath Johnson
759
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.320
didn't love the star power aspect of it, which of
760
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.760
course led to Jennifer Cook's role in the series being
761
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.519
a two sex Malkaina of course. And I get that,
762
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.159
but I don't know. It's interesting. I don't know if
763
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.119
I agree or disagree at this point, but I can't
764
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.000
see them not having it happen.
765
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:49.280
Now.
766
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.320
That's what I still can't like. If you're having the
767
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.960
sixth sense, you're making the sixth I guess I'm playing
768
00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.239
against your role there. But when you remake something, if
769
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.800
you don't have a really iconic thing.
770
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.599
People, the thing is like, was the iconic thing the
771
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.679
build up or was it actually what happened or was
772
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.199
it just the build up to it?
773
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.840
Like it was actually happening an on screen when that
774
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:19.000
baby came out, that was a water cooler moment kind
775
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.239
of thing.
776
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.599
Is they say, know this BD, but this this is
777
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.559
the drama. We're not gonna see them baby.
778
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.280
No. I get that, but I don't do to find
779
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.920
they're gonna try to find a way to make it
780
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.800
more if they you know, that's actually a discussion point.
781
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:34.519
Is quite frankly, we don't know if we're ever gonna
782
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:39.599
get there be honestly, because quite frankly that the final want.
783
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.400
Robin to be killed subvert my expectations.
784
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.519
I mean, because that's a via the final battle we
785
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.039
got here is a visitation and occupation which came out.
786
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.920
I think that's just encapsulating Kenneth Johnson's original story which
787
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.960
ended ended if you remember correctly, it ended with the
788
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.760
camp battle visitors strengthen the camp battle distance fighting them off,
789
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.280
and then Elias and Julie sending out that signal.
790
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.519
She already been kidnapped. Didn't end with her looking in
791
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:08.960
the mirror knowing she was pregnant.
792
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.400
She yes, probably the birth itself didn't. So I don't
793
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.000
know what Kenneth Johnson might have done dobing differently, because
794
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.960
in the final battle what we know, so yes, she
795
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.039
was captured as Donovan got her off the ship, and
796
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.360
so she definitely was impregnated as far as we know,
797
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:33.079
But what happened to be the final battle, just if
798
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.920
you did don't know this Kenneth Johnson famously creative wrote
799
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.440
V was a show on REV. When they got a
800
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.599
year later, he started the process, wrote a treatment for
801
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.440
VIA the Final Battle, but famously left pretty early on
802
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:52.400
due to creative differences, and he has a writing credit
803
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.639
on it by a different name. He didn't want his
804
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.719
name on it, so I can't remember. It's a female name.
805
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.679
It would basically on Allen's made the name on there.
806
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.960
But interviews he has given, he's mentioned like he didn't
807
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.039
ever sit down to watch it, but they did see
808
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.400
some things that's slipped through channels, as he said, but
809
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.280
he mentioned like ham Tyler and how his hand Tyler
810
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.239
was in a wheelchair, and how at the end of
811
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.199
the Final Battle it wasn't the Starchild had didn't have powers,
812
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:27.960
since what we're talking about didn't have powers, but Martin
813
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:32.039
like sacrificed himself by taking the mothership out to space
814
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.559
where the nuclear device went off. And there's something else specifically, Oh,
815
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.840
like the priest, it wasn't an Irish Catholic drunken priests
816
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:42.920
liked the old whoever it was supposed to be a young,
817
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.639
hip African American priest. That's what difference was for that
818
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.039
as well, but he mentioned those specific differences, which means
819
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.760
to me the bones were probably the same, Like a
820
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.920
lot of details were changed, but the bones of his
821
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.280
story were kind of the same. When they first announced
822
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.559
this project Visitation Occupation, I was actually honestly more interested
823
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.400
to see what they would do if they moved on
824
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.400
to the next part of the story, because we have
825
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.800
a couple different options. Now we have the chance of
826
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.119
potentially to see what Kindith Johnson would have done with
827
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.440
via the Final Battle, which is fascinating to me. So
828
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.199
kind of we both when we watched the Final Battle,
829
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.559
noted that we enjoyed the Final Battle, but it was
830
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.079
definitely far more of a instead of being the social
831
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:30.840
commentary it was. It was definitely far more of an
832
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.599
action in sci fi p pew kind of fun thing
833
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:38.519
going on. But to hear what Kenna Johnson would have done,
834
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.320
this might be the closest we would get to seeing that. However,
835
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.719
on the other hand, we also have the fact that
836
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.800
he did write the novel for the second Generation, which
837
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.920
you haven't read yet, which is what we're we're going
838
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:54.440
to cover Evention that's now Kenneth Johnson's official sequel to
839
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.320
the original mini series. However, I don't know if they
840
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:02.000
can do that as an audio drama because it's kind
841
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.119
of different in terms of, like we already updated it,
842
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.920
Like the second Generation takes place like twenty to twenty
843
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.840
five years after the original miniseries takes place. We're not
844
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.320
gonna jump to twenty fifty to do the same nation
845
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.159
we could, we could, I just didn't see that. I mean,
846
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.159
you know what, you're not wrong. I should take that
847
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.920
back that way. Maybe we will. I didn't see that
848
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.000
as being like the idea what he'd want to do,
849
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:30.800
But I could be wrong. Maybe he wants to push
850
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.239
that because he definitely wanted to make that as a
851
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.639
movie at one point. Still kind of does I think
852
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:36.960
at this point if he's still restill working out although
853
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.639
he'd been working on that for like twenty years, at
854
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.880
this point, I don't think it's ever gonna happen all
855
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.639
that long. Roll around there and say, I don't know.
856
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.199
It's amazing to see how he tackles. I hope we
857
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.320
do get more, because I do. I will find it
858
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.920
fascinating to see how we change as we go forward,
859
00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:00.760
because that's maybe the interesting thing you mentioned that it
860
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.599
is almost too faithful to Mark, and I agree with
861
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.440
that is almost too faithful because it is kind of
862
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.480
like it does that. My one criticism is like, because
863
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.119
some people I've heard a lot of people saying, oh,
864
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.960
it's Austin, it's faithful, it's adaptation because people don't want
865
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.400
change too much. However, if it's not enough change, then
866
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.159
why are we doing it? So I get that aspect
867
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:22.360
of it as well. We don't like it's like a
868
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.480
shop for shot remake of Psycho? Why did we do that?
869
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.000
I have no idea how we do why we do that?
870
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.159
Hey man, hey man.
871
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.719
Why do we do it? You can do you can
872
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.119
tell me why do we do it?
873
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.239
So it can stop anyone else remember trying to do it?
874
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.840
That resminds you what doing a shot maker or doing
875
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:44.840
any remake.
876
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.599
Doing any remake? Ever? Again, there's there's do you not
877
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:48.400
know this theory?
878
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:49.920
No? I don't know.
879
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.280
Oh yeah, there's a theory that gus Man Sant did
880
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.719
a shop remake of Psycho to ensure no one would
881
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:56.840
ever remake Psycho.
882
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:02.159
Again, I don't see how that works. So he wants
883
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.039
to remake Psycho because.
884
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.559
It bailed, Yeah it was. He was proving you can't
885
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:08.760
remake Psycho.
886
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.719
Are doing a shop. I think you have the r
887
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:13.840
V argument. Well, but no, no, of course the shop
888
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.760
or sorry Max is not gonna make it. We're gonna
889
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:16.920
try to make it different than that.
890
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.199
Yeah, but it's studios PLD. You know, studio logic. We
891
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.599
remade it, it didn't work, we'll leave it alone.
892
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.039
No, what I know from studios the cycle made a
893
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:27.599
lot of money. Is the thing. We can find a
894
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.320
way to make this work. That's the studios we're going
895
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.400
to do. I feel like that's a bad if that
896
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.119
was the case. I think that's a bad decision. I
897
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:35.920
think it was a badism either way. There's nothing about
898
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.320
that that maybe I think that anything about that was
899
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.119
a good decision. If you're going to remake it, I
900
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.440
mean you should remake it. But if you're going to
901
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.840
remake it, add something to it or do something with it,
902
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.719
take a swing with it, or like.
903
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.320
Some stories are updated, maybe just don't.
904
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.000
That's okase they do it too. I don't think this
905
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:02.880
is a storyage out data though, so I think they
906
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.679
can finally to update this, and I think they we
907
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.639
disagree on how well they did it. I do think
908
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.920
I do agree that you brought me into the idea
909
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.119
that it isn't it is too faithful. But that's my
910
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.519
point though, it is getting to what the final battle
911
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.400
would be. We're definitively going to go away from what
912
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.199
the final battle did, and maybe it might be more
913
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.960
interesting entertaining from that aspect. So I'll be kind of
914
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:32.360
curious see what they do from there. Let's see any
915
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.239
other things that you want to talk about or.
916
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.599
I've got in used at this one point. Okay, all right,
917
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.320
So Daniel turned like the Maxwell's go to stay in
918
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:48.119
the attic. What's yeah, Daniel's family's attic, which I'm like, well, okay,
919
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:52.039
we're making this gee, I wonder what this is the
920
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.719
reference to. And he turns them in. His family gets
921
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.159
arrested instead because the Maxwell slipped down out. But it
922
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.199
was so weird that Robin went outside knowing her father
923
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:10.960
is in hiding to look for Brian. Daniel essentially tries
924
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:15.159
to blackmail her to have sex with him. That's a
925
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:21.280
whole gross thing. But then her dad gets like angry
926
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:26.440
at her instead of it Daniel, which is weird and
927
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:30.760
I did not like that at all. And then Daniel
928
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.159
goes to talk to Brian to let him know, like
929
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.360
when he's turning them in, and Brian asked if he's
930
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.239
seen Robin, meaning he doesn't know that Robin is the
931
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.440
daughter of the scientist he's looking for.
932
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.400
Well, I think it was more that he was turning
933
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.079
in this family. He wasn't saying it was the Maxwells.
934
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.519
Yeah, but like that would be the first question. And
935
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.760
like there's just a lot of little details like that
936
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.400
where I'm like, I feel like the writing was maybe
937
00:51:59.400 --> 00:51:59.920
a little bit.
938
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:05.000
Too okay, that's sir. I actually did like the idea
939
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:10.000
where we see it more clearly that Daniel was willing
940
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.800
to willing to step on Brian to get ahead. We
941
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.000
have the scene with Diana where he basically turned him
942
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.440
in and was trying to be ambitious with that. I
943
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.920
did like that a little bit better because I had
944
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:25.639
that kind of felt a little weird in the original
945
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:27.760
mini series. I felt that might be the case, but
946
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.119
it wasn't very clear as how far that would go
947
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.199
if it was too much here worshiping though of Daniel
948
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.280
because it kind of or of Brian rather, so it
949
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.320
kind of got that way. It felt that way towards
950
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.480
the final battle when Daniel eventually gets caught when the
951
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.800
Maggie doing her thing at that dinner party or whatever.
952
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.719
But I'd like Daniel who's willing to take Brian out
953
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.079
for the betterment of it, of his own career. So
954
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.480
I like that aspect of it. I think this Daniel
955
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.840
is actually I think it's funny. He was presented as
956
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.559
better at first, but he can end up becoming even
957
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.280
worse than the Daniel that we knew. I think that's
958
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.000
how I read how I read, especially the sexual assault.
959
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.079
There was also much more it felt more and much
960
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:16.199
more overt this time around than the original. So I
961
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:23.000
don't know, let's see random note I had, Uh the
962
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.239
score in the background was actually very similar to the
963
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:30.760
original score, Like it wasn't It was very close. There's
964
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.800
some difference. It's kind of more of a Gerne version
965
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:38.719
of it. But I I liked it because it was similar.
966
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.920
But you see, if it was exactly the same, I
967
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:42.800
don't think I would have liked it. Then it's like, well,
968
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.679
what are we doing here again? More that like, if
969
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.360
we're making a different story, should be something different.
970
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:54.199
But that like if you make another Halloween, how to
971
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:55.280
use the theme?
972
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.199
Yeah, that's true. I guess that's true. Like guess sometimes
973
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.239
like it's it's end on the theme itself good and
974
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.199
how iconic the theme is. I mean, I guess Bond
975
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:04.440
used the same theme all over.
976
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.800
Didn't They make a joke about wanting to use star
977
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.079
Wars but they use Andrew Lloyd Webber to welcome visitors?
978
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.119
Yes? I did, Actually right, I didn't.
979
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.280
I couldn't catch it. The song was actually something from
980
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:20.559
Andrew Lloyd Webber. But you know they should have used
981
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.480
Starlight Express.
982
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.400
We had that conversation about Starletock Express.
983
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.679
Yes, I mean, it wouldn't have been great if they
984
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.880
Oh wait, no that's not yeah it is. Wow, I'm
985
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.639
doubting myself. Fan of the Opera is Andre Lloyd Webber? Right?
986
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:38.239
Yeah, my god?
987
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.320
Did you imagine they use like the overture fan of
988
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:44.800
the opera?
989
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:45.760
That?
990
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.559
Honestly, like that just tells you music and make or
991
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.480
break something you put in. You drop in a fan
992
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.320
of the Opera overture, your movie's going or your audio
993
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.480
drama's going up half a point baby.
994
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:03.480
Like that? Uh. Another point of conference that I like,
995
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.800
they kind of got a little more into the weeds
996
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.119
about like the skin, like something I thought you might
997
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.840
actually like. They actually mentioned that the skin is organic,
998
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.000
but the cells didn't have a nucleus, so no DNA.
999
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.719
Ruth being more overged about can't getting the skin before
1000
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:21.079
she gets killed or what ever? A little more of
1001
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.199
a scientific aspect of that. I thought you might dig that,
1002
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.840
giving how you were so into the skin in our
1003
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:34.280
first conversations about how the skin worked, I.
1004
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:38.159
Feel like it's not as interesting in an audio drama.
1005
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.679
That's there, I mean, that's I think that's the thing
1006
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.679
that we keep buying up our heads against is that
1007
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.679
a lot of this is kind of just like I
1008
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.880
would prefer to be seeing us on a screen as well.
1009
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.960
But I can't. I feel bad saying that over and
1010
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.280
over again because I can't fault Big Finish for doing
1011
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.800
what they do and they're presenting it. This is the
1012
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:59.039
medium that they their companies what they do. I think
1013
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.840
they do a good job with what they do. It's
1014
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.280
just our preferences are our miles may be very kind
1015
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:06.559
of thing.
1016
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:11.840
Well I should I should say like I'm a very
1017
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:17.079
visual person, but I mean, like my mind is really blown.
1018
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.239
Did you know like some people don't have an inner monologue.
1019
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.519
I recently learned this. I didn't know that like some
1020
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.679
people like they don't like if they're reading, like if
1021
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:28.920
I read, I hear the words that I'm reading.
1022
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.679
Oh yeah, absolutely, okay, And.
1023
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.360
So like this is like a test when I say apple,
1024
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.000
do you picture like a three dimensional real apple?
1025
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.760
Pretty close to a three dimensional yeah?
1026
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.719
Right, well, like some people don't, like they just think
1027
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.840
of like in words visually, like they think about the
1028
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.199
words like they don't see an apple. Oh so like,
1029
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:56.880
so I have like a full like three D you know,
1030
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:02.440
movie going on up in here. Don'llby full experience, okay, okay.
1031
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:05.760
So when I when I say like, I mean my
1032
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.599
brain is very visual, like when I'm hearing or reading something.
1033
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.760
When I'm reading a book, I visualize fully what's being displayed,
1034
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:18.199
and I hear the characters talking right right, right right.
1035
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.199
But for my issue is for audio drama. I have
1036
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.880
a slight hearing issue. So particularly it's bad when there's
1037
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.840
music going on or like sound effects happening in conjunction
1038
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.280
with people talking. It's like podcasts where they play music
1039
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.360
in the background. I can't hear it because I can't
1040
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:35.639
hear the words they're saying. It's all just a cacophony
1041
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.679
of indistinguishable noise. So I keep having to rewind this
1042
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:44.000
stupid audio drama and play it again so that way
1043
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.639
I can have hurt Because uh So, basically, when I
1044
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.880
hear something, I hear like the I can count like
1045
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.639
the syllables you've said, and based on the context, I
1046
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.119
can put together retroactively what words you probably just said
1047
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:06.159
to me. So it's my mind works very in manual
1048
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.519
what most people haven't automatic. So I'm trying to like
1049
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:13.599
figure out what people are saying and what's happening around
1050
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:18.159
me and visualize it as it's happening. I just have
1051
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:23.880
a lack of understand like like literal comprehension of like
1052
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.000
a lot of what happened, which is why I was
1053
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.960
taking so notes. I'm like, this is kind of what
1054
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.079
I heard. I think there's a lot where I'm like,
1055
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.679
I don't even know what that, just what just happened.
1056
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.000
I will say, when have you tried, like when's the
1057
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:40.880
last time you tried doing all your joma before this
1058
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:43.280
or something like.
1059
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.480
That twenty twenty.
1060
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.960
Okay, that's part of it too. I think it is
1061
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:54.440
something of a practice makes perfect kind of strengthens your memory.
1062
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.559
No, I mean I have like a literal neurological difference,
1063
00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.239
like that's not going away.
1064
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.719
Okay, I'm saying I struggled a lot the first time
1065
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:04.400
I heard a thing like when I'm doing it, But
1066
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.880
I had a couple of audiobooks I had done on
1067
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.920
audio things, so I found I was able to do
1068
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.679
it the more I listened, the more I did it, like,
1069
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:14.760
I was able to do it a little better than
1070
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.039
I had. I'm still not very good at it, but
1071
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.719
I'm better than I was, So it might be I
1072
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:27.159
obviously can't change your neurological functionality there, but it might
1073
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:28.480
be a case of where there might be a way
1074
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.000
that it still could improve the other side of things
1075
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.960
potentially the more you do it. I don't know. It's
1076
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.440
something that you have to see for yourself. And I
1077
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:37.639
guess you had a chance to do it when it
1078
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.039
those into occupation the next couple of weeks, But I understand, Yeah,
1079
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.079
it is kind of frustrating. It's actually funny you mentioned
1080
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.000
the inner monologue thing, and I have this weird in
1081
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.519
between inner monologue. I guess you could say, because there's
1082
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.679
been plenty of times where I will read something and
1083
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.519
I do visualize it in my head, but I like
1084
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:09.039
tend to to ignore specific descriptive like terminology for whatever reason,
1085
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.639
like you're an eye color yeah, like yeah, anything like that.
1086
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:14.599
You'll have you know, like this show a character. I'll
1087
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.360
say some about a character and then i'll picture that character.
1088
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.039
It'll be like either somebody will never be it's not
1089
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.039
like an actor or an actress, and it's not so
1090
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.960
many for my real life, but it's my own depiction
1091
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.119
of whoever this person is. And then I'll see a
1092
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.880
picture of what like the intended was, it's not anything
1093
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:32.639
like it. I'm like, really what, And then like to
1094
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.119
point out his skin was this that They're like, You'll
1095
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.880
be like there's been times where I like pictured a
1096
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.440
white guy just because I've read it and it's a
1097
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.079
black guy. I'm like, I know that's me. I like say,
1098
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.119
obviously like that that how could I have missed that description?
1099
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.719
But like I might have even just rolled by it
1100
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.559
or whatever it was. But same eye color, hair color
1101
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.360
to different and that's but it's only just I really descripted.
1102
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:58.760
I understand what's going on. I see it in my
1103
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:01.119
head that way. But like the I think it's almost
1104
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.079
like I want to create the character myself in a way.
1105
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:05.480
I think it might be like an active We don't
1106
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.400
want to just create my own character. But it is
1107
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.079
interesting at times that toy throws me for loop in
1108
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.440
this case, for this knowing the characters for the most part.
1109
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:19.039
Outside of this, Yeah, the original is right, except it's
1110
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.960
harder to do with Obviously Abraham. That was obviously different
1111
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.519
because he's such a different voice than than Michael Semino.
1112
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.920
Was I pictured, I kind of did.
1113
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.119
I kind of see. It's like a combination. Yeah, somebody
1114
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.239
was like a combination of you and somebody else that
1115
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.000
I can't remember his name, but I agree.
1116
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:41.679
For Daniel, I can't remember the character's name from the
1117
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:48.639
Spider Man across the Spider Verse. Oh oh yeah, one
1118
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:49.760
he was the British kid.
1119
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:51.880
Yep, yep, yeah yeah.
1120
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.440
Sometimes I picture anime characters.
1121
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.159
They work whatever gets through or gets you through it.
1122
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:01.679
But uh, all right, last thing I wanted to throw
1123
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.760
out there. I did like the ending. I don't know
1124
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.760
you thought, but I liked when Donovan met up with
1125
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.159
Abraham as a prisoner. I kind of having Abraham and
1126
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.079
Dona had a connection like that. It was a little
1127
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.079
too forced, I you found it for I can't understand
1128
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:19.000
why you found that way.
1129
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.960
Hey, you're in prison, so I'm gonna assume you're a
1130
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.920
good person. I'm gonna usually go to my house and
1131
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.559
find the letter I wrote to my daughter in law.
1132
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.079
Right, But I did like Donovan getting the connection with
1133
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.440
at the end there at the end instead of being Maxwell.
1134
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:38.960
For some reason, I don't know why I liked it,
1135
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.760
but it made Donovan more of a the whole point
1136
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.599
for it. I don't know. I did like it. I
1137
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.679
don't I understand why you say it felt force, but
1138
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.719
I really did. For whatever reason, I was very forgiving
1139
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:50.920
of it.
1140
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.719
And but also the way he was just like, Okay,
1141
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:56.719
we're gonna need food where you need water, We need
1142
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.199
this and that. And because I thought it was so weird,
1143
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.599
He's like, because you one less person in your house,
1144
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.920
it won't be suspicious. Like that did not make any
1145
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:05.880
sense to me.
1146
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.239
I think it was because.
1147
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:15.199
But it's like the visitors have him so like they
1148
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.119
know they have him, but.
1149
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:20.320
The the other people might not, Like the stores might
1150
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:20.920
not kind of thing.
1151
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:25.159
They don't have the leg Any person is gonna like
1152
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.440
the food for one person.
1153
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.920
But at one perst, who is better than zero person's food.
1154
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.000
I guess I'm trying to say a little. It's a
1155
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.679
little wonky. I'll give you that. They're going for him.
1156
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:40.079
It's a little wonky, but all right, I guess yeah,
1157
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.440
anything else you want to say, are we wrap it up?
1158
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:43.400
That sums it up?
1159
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.559
Okay? Overall, I mean overall, I enjoyed it.
1160
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:51.840
I need it as visual A B minus.
1161
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.880
So yeah, that's a great for it. I probably a
1162
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.719
little bit higher. I probably to bed be at times
1163
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:02.880
be plus, but overall I give it a be. I
1164
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.039
am looking forward to see how they change things if
1165
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:06.719
they do introduce to pick Willie and all that kind
1166
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.039
of stuff and occupation. So I'll be out there here
1167
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.280
listening were the big V fans probably actually were to
1168
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.559
listen to it, and you can. Don't let us know,
1169
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:15.159
but you'll you'll find out what we listen to the
1170
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.960
next couple of weeks, because that's when we'll be back
1171
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.960
to talk about occupation. But until then, this is actually
1172
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.400
much better than the two thousand and nine version though, right,
1173
01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:25.519
that's what we can say.
1174
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:32.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, positive there, all right, Robin is worse.
1175
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.239
Let it work that folks find you.
1176
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:41.519
I give you found on Instagram at the Unhinged Binge
1177
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:45.360
where I mostly post stuff about horror movies, but also
1178
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.800
about some other stuff, like recently I've gotten into some
1179
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:53.679
Czechoslovak new wave, you know. So if you're interested in
1180
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.599
like Valeried or Week of Wonders and Daisy and the
1181
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:05.039
Czechoslovakian uh fairy Tales, hey stick around Spookie seasons coming up,
1182
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:08.400
probably post a lot about horror movies. Maybe you're not
1183
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.039
familiar with, so I might give you some ideas like
1184
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:14.000
go watch Messiah of Evil, have fun with it.
1185
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.519
They go why not? Absolutely, you can find me at
1186
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:21.159
paulms to News. You on Twitter and Paul got to
1187
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.039
us you Blue Sky Sky on the old Blue Sky
1188
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.840
find me all over this channel. Obviously, we are back
1189
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.920
here on review again. Two weeks from now we will
1190
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.679
get to talk about Occupation, and then we're going to
1191
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.079
do another two of the Adjacents. We're gonna want a
1192
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:40.159
double feature of Watchers and Watchers too, which would be
1193
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:42.599
pretty fun. They're pretty fun movies to tackle. It's about
1194
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.679
a long time since I've watched them. Honestly, I'm very
1195
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.360
interest to see. And then we'll get into we have
1196
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.480
to decide at that point we will get into the
1197
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:54.119
books and comics as well, to decide how we're gonna
1198
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:55.960
do that. I don't know if, like especially the comics
1199
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:57.800
my shirt, it's gonna be like a one episode kind
1200
01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:59.840
of thing, or we might break it down into one
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or two episodes and kind of do some arcs. I
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don't know what to discuss that. But also on this channel,
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the two million Geeks on film, myself and BJ Camel
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going through franchises right now, we are working our way
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through our Ghostbusters, Slashman, and Black crossover series, although we
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did take a break to do Conjuring last right. Well,
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he did suggest Casper and PJ is probably all in
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on it. Like you can see it is. It is
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technical and and Acroyd isn't there. You're absolutely right, uh,
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for sure. On a Patreon dot com slast pilt products,
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we are doing the mcu rewatch. We're getting together next
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week to film ant Man. That's where we are at
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that point. Holy snokes. Every other week we do Star
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Wars with me and Maddy Gunner. I'm covering the news
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every other week and then we're also doing that. The
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other week is going to be a thematic week we
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just covered Uh, we just did a Kursawa one with
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Maddie his own solo Cursawa epic common with Star Wars.
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We did the higher public of the book series that
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we just ended. We do We're to tackle Michael Clayton's
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kind of like a speaking of a review adjacent We're
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gonna do a Holy snokes ad Jason, even though because
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Tony Gilroy directed Michael Clayton, that's this big thing before
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you end, or We're gonna do some compare contrasts there
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as well. And of course my sister Trannelogy The Crown
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Joe is my queen podcast as well. I have Sony podcasts.
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It's taking up like half our podcasts me telling you
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about the podcast something, so I want to stop, but
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uh page on a compost building products. If you can't
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do that, you can like comment, subscribe all that stuff
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that hit the buttons and lead the reviews and help
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us fight the horrhithm. But I'll do it for this week, folks,
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and we will see you next time here on review