Accountability, Integrity, and Leadership with Jerold Limongelli

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In this episode, me and my great friend, Jerold Limongelli are going



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to dive deep on topics of accountability, integrity, dealing with shame as a



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man and leadership in this modern day.



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Jerold has been a mentor for me for years, a great man, a follower



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of Jesus, a husband, a leader, a coach, and a great speaker.



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You're going to have a lot of notes after this episode, so stay



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tuned and let's get into the show.



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Welcome to Renew and Transform, a podcast to renew and transform your



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mind and cultivate your leadership to live a life worthy of your calling.



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I'm your host, Mindset and Leadership Coach Moussa Mikhail.



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Let the renewal begin.



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Jerold all the way out from New York.



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What's up, brother?



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Hey, man, how's it going?



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Blessed to be here.



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Amen.



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It's my blessing.



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I'm so honored to have you did have you a couple of times on my



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previous podcast, Jerold played a huge role in accountability in me.



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Back in 2020 to get my life together, to launch my podcast he's a mentor of



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mine and today we want to talk about that topic specifically and how it



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connects to faith for men in general and Christian leaders all around the world.



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But the big topic of accountability and integrity.



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So Jerold I know we live in a world of compromise and It is so common



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to, to compromise our integrity.



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But I wanted to ask you how you practically remain committed



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to your values and stand firm in integrity as a man.



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Yeah, that's a good question.



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So I really think it's your audience, who you're serving.



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So I serve an audience of one.



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serve my, my one and true God, Jesus Christ, the king of kings.



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So everything I do is to honor and appease.



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direction that the Lord has for my life.



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Now, if you're not, you know, if you're not a Christian or you're not a believer,



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it's, know, it might be a little bit of a different context to look at, but I



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think there's value in looking at who or what distinguishes your moral compass.



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Based on your morality, I think that it really starts setting



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standards in your life, right?



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And standards then go into your disciplines, and disciplines go into



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your accountability, and your integrity.



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Like, how integrous are you?



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if you don't really care about things, or you don't have a strong moral



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compass, or you don't think about others, and you're really self centered



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and self focused, you're going to be very integrous to yourself, but you're



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not going to come off as an integrous person to other people, because



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you're, you know, a solo minded person.



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So I think as believers, people that are living for an audience



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of one, we're always looking to how is our actions righteous?



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How is our disciplines both holy and do they follow things like your physical,



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spiritual, and your mental disciplines and how they all play into your life?



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Really keep me grounded.



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On a day to day basis to really just gauge what I'm doing.



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I always say, I think like the Lord works in, in, in the ways



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that he needs to work when he wants to work how he wants to work.



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Because this morning I started reading the book of Ecclesiastes and I think



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it's interesting because Solomon, you know, could have asked for a bunch



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of riches, but he asked for wisdom.



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And even with the tremendous amount of wisdom, he Talks over



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and over in the book about how everything is meaningless like the



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that's



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set the way it sets It's gonna rise the way it rises the



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moon's gonna come out the way it comes out The rivers are gonna flow into the



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oceans And I think people get lost in the idea that they are such an intricate



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part life did that sometimes Alludes them to understanding what really the



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purpose of life potentially could be.



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And I think that could keep you very, very integrous because things



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that would irritate the average person are no longer irritable, like



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What I do in a day to day is great.



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Awesome.



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But how important is it into generations to come?



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Like, in all honesty, is someone gonna be talking about this moment



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we're having right now, or is this moment really for me and you?



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a good thought.



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Yeah.



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'cause people are very focused on legacy.



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Like if you, let's talk about just men, right?



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That's the arena I'm in.



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Men, you know, you're, you're a man obviously, and.



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Men are so heavily focused on legacy.



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They forget that they forget about the legacy starts right in the home.



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Yeah.



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Why don't you be a legacy level father?



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Get those things dialed in before you start trying to be like Steve Jobs.



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And even if you read Steve Jobs, his last statement on his deathbed, he didn't give



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a rat's rip that he created that iPhone.



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He just wanted to be around people that he remembered and loved.



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So I always say things to keep me integrous, things to keep me



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alive, things to keep me focused.



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What am I going to be talking about on my deathbed?



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Am I going



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You know,



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about that?



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My wife annoyed me that she didn't do the dishes or something.



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No, I'm be talking about, let me just get one more kiss, honey.



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And one more hug.



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One more moment in time, right?



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So I feel like perspective, like goes back to that morality, like who you



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live in for, because if you live for the world, you're bound for destruction.



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You live for an audience of one, right?



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You live for a supernatural life.



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You live for treasures in heaven.



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Your life's going to be very different.



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I love that man.



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And that reminds me of something that I read recently where I



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think it was emotionally healthy.



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Spirituality or emotionally healthy leader great book, but he mentioned



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our greatest gospel message



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Our greatest gospel message is our marriage.



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And if you're not married, it's your singlehood.



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And sometimes I think you're right.



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We get so caught up in trying to make a name for ourselves.



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Me, me too.



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I've got caught up in this and



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Me too.



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getting caught up in the world and how I'm



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going to be seen by people.



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But instead of focusing on those people right in front of me, my



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family, my friends that are right here, Because that's, that's who



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you, at the end of the day, that's who you make the biggest impact to.



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Yeah.



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also it's like, how do I know, like people always say, well,



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how do you know all these things?



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Well, wisdom is also learned through follies.



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So like a lot of the things that I've done that I think are ridiculous or



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that didn't pay dividends, I know them and now I talk about them.



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And it's like, you know, you, you listen to great people.



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Like you read that in the book.



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I remember hearing something from Eric Thomas, the hip hop



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preacher who I love listening to.



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He said, a lot of people are focused on their outside ministry.



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They want to look good in public, but their inside ministry is falling apart.



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And your ministry is at the home, man.



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It all starts at the home.



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All, all the things that I'm seeing in the men's personal development space,



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in the faith based space with, with men of God who are trying to get back to the



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Lord, who are trying to salvage their marriages, who want better relationships



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with their kids, who want to do more things, they're hungry for the Lord.



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It all starts in the home, they want to go back to building the foundation, right?



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They're not like, yo, help me out and make more money.



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I haven't heard that one yet.



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When a guy gets on the phone dealing with trauma, like, yo, if



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I could just, if I could just make that million, everything's better.



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Not the guys I'm talking to.



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Maybe there are some out there, but all wanting to go back to this, to the



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source of it, which is the nucleus, which is this country needs to go back to.



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If you're seeing it right now, it's like the dissolving of, of the perfect order.



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God, husband, wife, child.



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It's, it's a perfect order.



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And I've seen it so often in the law enforcement space, especially



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that crime and dysfunction is greatly stemming from the lack of leadership.



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The lack of fathers, the lack of men in society, I feel,



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Absolutely.



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and I want to, I want to circle back because you, you



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mentioned a major paradigm shift that I don't want to just brush over because



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it's so powerful being accountable to one rather than the world.



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How does the concept of being accountable to God influence the way you set goals,



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make decisions and pursue success?



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In your leadership and personal life.



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I mean, I just go back to the word.



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I just believe everything written in the Bible is the actual translation



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of the living word of God.



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If he said it, then I'm going to listen to it, right?



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Doesn't mean I always get it right.



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But there's power and authority in that book, lot of people read it as



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stories that it can be interpreted or, you know, different types of or



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things that they don't take serious.



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I take everything serious in there because I know it's a



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translation of power and authority.



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So when I'm serving God versus serving the world, I have clear instruction.



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This would be great for you.



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So I went to Fort Worth, Texas with my wife about two weeks ago.



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We wanted to go see Jonathan Shuttlesworth and Dr.



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Paul Anici, who has the biggest church in the world.



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called the Glory Dome.



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It's a hundred thousand person ministry.



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If God's going to give you a hundred thousand people to minister on a



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Sunday, there's power in that guy.



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an anointing all over him.



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Yeah.



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And I saw it and felt it.



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I saw miracles and people being healed.



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And I know, you know, like my mom, who's not really big on her faith, you know,



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she'd be like, , they must've been like, in the audience and they picked them out.



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I'm like, no, God has power and he will do things.



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But that's the end of there.



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He talked about right into the book of Genesis.



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And he said, Adam was given clear instruction by the Lord.



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Remember Adam was first and the Lord gave him clear instruction.



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He gave him leadership.



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Adam knew what to do and what not to do.



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And he was very clear on his commands from God.



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And because he followed the commands of his father in heaven, He wanted



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to stay obedient, not because he was scared, but because he knew that his



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father cared for him and it would give him the best direction in his life.



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Then Eve came.



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Now, here's what I unpacked from what the pastor told us, is that



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The devil didn't go to Adam.



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devil went to the woman because the woman didn't have clear instruction.



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Because Adam fell short in leadership and thought that because he knew



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the clear instructions of God that his wife would know the clear



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instructions in God, and she didn't.



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And because he played subtleties in that area, the devil whispered



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in her ear gave her confusion.



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And in the confusion, she went and did something outside of God's perfect order.



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So the fall happened.



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So what I learned from that is People will whisper lies in your ear to



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misdirect you from what things that God is trying to whisper into your ear.



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And as men, the lack of leadership in our own personal life will be



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the lack of leadership that has everything around us fall apart.



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If your wife doesn't think that you're a legacy builder, a chain breaker, Right?



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A miracle maker.



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She ain't gonna follow you.



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And then the kids are gonna look at you in a different way and



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they're gonna side with the mother.



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Now the whole dynamic is off.



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But if the leadership is strong, then a woman is happy to submit in a healthy



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way because she trusts that the husband has the best interest and the best tools



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to carry the name and the legacy to a place that she couldn't do by herself.



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is why a partnership makes sense.



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So leadership is really tied to how well you lead yourself, but also



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how well you lead others around you.



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If you lack integrity, then guess what?



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The people around you are probably going to lack integrity.



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I love that.



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you have bad standards, poopy standards, you want



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to sleep in, you don't want to get up.



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You don't want to do things.



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You don't want to tithe your money.



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You want to be like this, that, and all that stuff.



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You're gonna see it all around you there's no example because



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Eve didn't have the example.



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Where that was beautifully said, but where do you



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see men, the modern man failing the most in leading themselves?



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Shame.



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They're afraid to admit they're broken.



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They're afraid to admit they're struggling.



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They're afraid to admit that they're watching pornography in the



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background, that they're masturbating in quiet times, that they're looking



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at other women on Instagram, that they have lustful behaviors, that



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they are not sharing their finances.



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their heart is turning in different ways.



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They're afraid to say it.



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the devil keeps it as a dirty little secret.



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And then that dirty little secret compounds and that compounding



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effect gets them to believe a lie that they're no good.



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So why change?



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I really think it's a, it's a seed that's so powerfully planted in the minds of men



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they don't understand that it says, see, remember I said, just go back to the word.



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What does it say in the word?



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If you confess your sins to another man, right?



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They'll be freedom.



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Yeah,



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Okay.



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So what do you think God's?



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That's why we do the work we're doing with Weatherford, Steve Weatherford



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and getting these guys together the secret gets aired out, but then the



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healing comes in from the Holy Ghost.



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It's no longer a secret.



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It's a moment to heal it's a moment for other men to hear it.



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So breakthrough happens and it's like a domino effect.



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I think men got to get real.



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I think they got to get real with themselves first and



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they got to get real with God.



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Not from a religious way, right?



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Because people merge religion and relationship and there's two very



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different variables right there.



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Religion is fear based.



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It gets you in a series of rules and do good or stuff.



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is come to your daddy and you say, look, I messed up.



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Now I know there's going to be a little cost to pay, but



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teach me how to be better.



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Men need to go to other men.



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Men need mentors.



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Men need coaches.



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Men need leaders to say, I'm not really showing up here.



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I could see it.



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My wife's not, my wife's not trusting my leadership.



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There's something, it can't be her all the time.



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Show me where I'm falling short.



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Now, give me correction and let me grow.



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that's huge, man.



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I think that ties into the biggest thing in growth in general is the



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humility aspect, like to humble ourselves to that point where we can.



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Confess that to another brother, you know, or to humble ourselves and see like how am



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I falling short as a man or as a leader?



Moussa Mikhail:
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Why can't I lead well and the humility aspect also opens the light opens



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the door For you to invite God in



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Yes.



Moussa Mikhail:
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says he's at the door.



Moussa Mikhail:
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He's knocking but we're not letting them in



Jerold Limongelli:
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You know, I, I also think that men have forgotten.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I, this is something I've learned.



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helped me.



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I still am growing into some areas of my life where I want to apply this knowledge.



Jerold Limongelli:
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And I hope this lands for any of your listeners.



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It's they're listening to this.



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A lot of people don't understand when it says the power of life and



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death is in your tongue, right?



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And that the living word of God is like a sword that pierces through



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the heart of the opposition.



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Right?



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So you got to like, don't just read these things, like think about it.



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It says meditate on my word.



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Right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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So I started thinking, then I realized Wait a minute.



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The minute I declared Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and I went



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underneath the water, it says you are a new, NEW creature in Christ.



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No longer the same.



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Think of, new means completely different.



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New.



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So whatever sin I was living in, he removed it because of the shedding



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of the blood on the cross, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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This is why he went up there and shed the innocent blood,



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because he washed my sin away.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Now watch this.



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no longer living in sin, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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So that means I'm not a sinner.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Okay.



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So what happens when people say, well, you can't be perfect, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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Because you come out of order, come out of obedience with God.



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So you fall to sin.



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So I said, okay, wait a minute.



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So all the things that I was telling myself, you know, I did this, I



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did that, or even break it down.



Jerold Limongelli:
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People say, I grew up in trauma.



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My dad wasn't around.



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I got hit.



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You are putting these things over you.



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But the minute you went under the water and came out,



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you're no longer those things.



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You're a new creature in Christ, so you're washed new, you're washed clean.



Jerold Limongelli:
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why aren't we speaking power and authority over ourselves?



Jerold Limongelli:
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Why aren't we saying the good news in the scriptures?



Jerold Limongelli:
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aren't we saying I'm inheriting a royal priesthood?



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Why aren't I saying that the kingdom that is in heaven is the same on earth?



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Why am I waiting for prosperity when he already gave it to me?



Jerold Limongelli:
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Why am I waiting for healing when he's already healed me?



Jerold Limongelli:
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See, remember the devil is a craftiest creature in the garden.



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So he gets in your mind because he can't occupy you anymore, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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You can't, you're not occupied, but he can get in here and start



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confusing you to think That you're not who God has already said you are.



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So when I started living from power and authority from glory to glory,



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I got out of being broke busted and disgusted and I started getting into



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bold, sold and told, anointed and appointed, blessed and highly favored.



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started declaring the promises that God had already said for me, to me.



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You know, even the basic things like if you had a rich auntie,



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when do you get the inheritance?



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When she dies.



Moussa Mikhail:
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hmm.



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He went to the cross.



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He said, it is done.



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Check was written.



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Cash it.



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So men, I think, forget the power



Moussa Mikhail:
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That's good.



Moussa Mikhail:
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That's



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Right?



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They forget.



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And they start identifying.



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I'm a sinner.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I'm a pervert.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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I'm addicted to porn.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I'm addicted to pills.



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I can't kick the lust.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I'm on phone calls with thousands of guys a month.



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They're all saying the same thing, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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I'm angry.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I grew up angry.



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My dad was angry.



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So now I'm angry.



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It must be a generational curse.



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No, it's broken.



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So I think it's about learning to take your power back, learning



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to take your authority back, and being in partnership with the Lord.



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Because we, in the flesh, cannot do things that require heavenly wisdom.



Moussa Mikhail:
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so good, man I want I want to ask you like what



Moussa Mikhail:
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practical steps do you take daily to align your words with that faith?



Moussa Mikhail:
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So you can walk in that authority.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Well, one, it's very crucial to be in the Word, right?



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If you don't get in the Word, how are you going to know the



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voice of your Father in Heaven?



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never hear him.



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Second thing is I think it's important to look at who's around you.



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Who are the people that are speaking into your ear?



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Remember it said the devil whispered into her ear.



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Don't think he ain't whispering day to day at you.



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So I made sure that I started aligning myself and surrounding myself with



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people who share my values, who share my hunger for the Lord, and who could be



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representations of where I'm trying to go.



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So I made sure I found the right people around me and I, and not that I, I



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don't like the word eliminate, but I distanced myself from people who did



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not share the same value system that I did because that's the integrity piece.



Moussa Mikhail:
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Yeah.



Jerold Limongelli:
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That's how you just, that's how you're going



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to distinguish your integrity.



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People might not like you, but they'll respect you when you're bold.



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So I think it's getting into the word.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I also think it's surrounding yourself with the right group of



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men, the right group of people.



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Okay.



Jerold Limongelli:
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That's fine.



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And then I also think.



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There's really good practice in what I do is reflection pieces, right?



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Learn to manage yourself.



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Some people get hot headed.



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Some people get passive.



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Some people explode.



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Some people suppress.



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Learn about yourself, right?



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Get your emotional EQ, your emotional intelligence tested.



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Go get a therapist.



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There's nothing wrong with that.



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Start managing your mindset, your emotions, and see what



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triggers you, and then explore it.



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Why is this bothering me?



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And then guess what?



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Listen, I'm a Christian.



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It's quite obvious.



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So when that happens, I asked the Lord to search my heart.



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So I stopped myself.



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I think it was earlier today.



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I was driving somewhere and I saw like, like a payment come in and I



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thought it was going to be more again, member things of the world, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:21:13
Ecclesiastes, how crazy is a payment comes in.



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like, you gotta be kidding me, man.



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Like, and as I was in the car, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,



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whoa, whoa, wait a minute.



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Lord, remind me of the strength.



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Remind me of the provision.



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Remind me what it says in Jeremiah that you have plans for me to



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prosper, that you will not forsake me.



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Lord, search my heart.



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Why am I worried when it says that the birds will never worry about



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what food they're going to eat, nor the people should never worry about



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what clothes they're going to wear.



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Why am I worried?



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Remove worrisome and give me power.



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Remove worrisome.



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Give me authority.



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So I remind myself, but do you see how I went to the word?



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I didn't fantasize my own manifestation of I'm in control.



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I'm not, but I ask when I need to, when I write asking it, she'll be given knocking



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00:21:59
the door, shall be opened upon you.



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You just said that, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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So him search your heart and heal those aspects of yourself because



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we do have to live in the world.



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We are in a social construct.



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can't just hide in a cave and hold a Bible.



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You're useless.



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God didn't make you for that.



Moussa Mikhail:
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And that's so good.



Moussa Mikhail:
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I think even on the scientific aspect of that is you're literally interrupting



Moussa Mikhail:
00:22:20
that thought and introducing prayer,



Jerold Limongelli:
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Yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
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which shapes the fabric of your mind and allows you to rewire it



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in a way where it becomes part of you.



Moussa Mikhail:
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Like you, you don't have to think about it once you get to that place where



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you can just interrupt everything.



Moussa Mikhail:
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With the word of God and pray.



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You know, I, I do believe in personal development.



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I put out a lot of content where, I mean, I haven't gotten a lot of



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00:22:48
people getting crabby at me yet.



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And that's okay.



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Maybe they will.



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But because I'm not like, I don't want them to think I'm bashing



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00:22:55
personal development because I don't really talk like that anymore.



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00:22:58
I used to have like a little bit of the edge to it because I



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00:23:01
had so much fire and conviction.



Jerold Limongelli:
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But now I'm learning that you get more bees with honey.



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I've learned to let the Lord, I worked on, I said, Lord, give me better discernment.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:09
Give me better wisdom Jesus didn't yell at people.



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He asked a lot of good questions.



Moussa Mikhail:
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Yeah



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was a great listener, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:18
He stumped you.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Like he just, whoa, like, you know, so I learned, well, how do I do that?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:23
Right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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Because it's not about convincing.



Jerold Limongelli:
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It's about convicting.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:26
It's about having people have like a moment, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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With only God can touch them.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:31
And as I started talking about the personal development space, you know, I



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think there's tools and techniques that are very, very important to use, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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But it could only get you so far because it's flesh based.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:44
But it says we don't battle principalities of darkness, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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In the flesh it says they're in the spirit.



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So you have to learn how to tap into and work through the spirit.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:56
Well, how else are you going to do that without tapping into the Holy Ghost?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:23:59
So you could, you could read every book, psychology book on earth, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:04
And you can conceptually understand that this makes me



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:07
angry, but why can't you stop?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:11
Because you have to get a peace that surpasses understanding.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:24:14
I love that and for people that might not be born again



Moussa Mikhail:
00:24:18
at this moment listening to this.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:24:20
How do they tap into the Strength that is beyond them?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:27
Yeah, what I've learned about people is mostly about



Jerold Limongelli:
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the high, high percentages of everyone you meet says they believe in something.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:34
Right?



Jerold Limongelli:
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So they'll say God and whatever God is to them and that's totally okay



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:38
for where they are in their journey.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:39
But what I always say is, you know, whoever's listening out there and they're



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00:24:44
listening and they're like, I don't know.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:45
They probably grew up in church or religious church or, or, you know, how to



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00:24:49
go to a very Brooks Brothers button down church with khakis and strict religion



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00:24:53
and dragging you through the pews.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:24:55
That's kind of how I did it a little bit as a kid.



Jerold Limongelli:
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So I get it.



Jerold Limongelli:
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It never seemed relational or whatever it is.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:01
I always say in your quiet time when no one's around, ask



Jerold Limongelli:
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God to reveal himself to you.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:08
If you want to experience power and glory, you're not going to really get it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:12
I mean, let me reframe that.



Jerold Limongelli:
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You could get it from reading.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:15
You could get it from an encounter of just listening to this podcast,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:19
the seed could be planted.



Jerold Limongelli:
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But I believe that an invitation to God's presence is what convicted me immediately.



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Like how it convicted Paul, who was Saul on the road to Damascus.



Jerold Limongelli:
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I mean, the guy was literally going to kill Christians.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:25:34
Mm hmm.



Jerold Limongelli:
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of the true encounter of the Holy Ghost, the



Jerold Limongelli:
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conviction, the hand of God is real.



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Whether your listeners believe it or not, because when I was out in the woods in



Jerold Limongelli:
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Dripping Springs and the Lord put his hand on me, changed my life immediately.



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00:25:49
I didn't go back and ponder.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:51
I



Moussa Mikhail:
00:25:52
Could you tell us a little bit more about that encounter?



Moussa Mikhail:
00:25:55
That's



Jerold Limongelli:
00:25:57
yeah, I was, you know, I was out walking in the woods in



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Drippen Springs, Texas, minding my own business, you know, riding my high horse.



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00:26:04
And I was listening to something on YouTube, the channel changed.



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00:26:08
It was Jesus Christ Sermon on the Mount.



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I heard a verse that said be leery of false prophets for they'll



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show up in sheep's clothing, but underneath they're ravenous wolves.



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For a good tree will always bear.



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Sorry, for an evil tree will only bear thorns and thistles, for a



Jerold Limongelli:
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good tree will bear figs and grapes.



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And it stopped me.



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00:26:27
my tracks and I started thinking like wow, I've traveled the entire world and I've



Jerold Limongelli:
00:26:32
done all this stuff over like a decade of searching But why never jesus and then



Jerold Limongelli:
00:26:40
I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to go down to this path I went down this path.



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00:26:43
I was in a big field I felt the presence of God.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:26:47
Tell me everything that you're looking for is within me.



Jerold Limongelli:
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Come walk with me and Right when I made that decision, I said, I believe in Jesus



Jerold Limongelli:
00:26:57
Christ, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the one and only truth in the way.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:01
Boom!



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Just dropped me to my knees and the power of the Holy Ghost just touched



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00:27:05
me I started weeping and repenting.



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00:27:08
In that moment, I either thought I did way too much ayahuasca or



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:12
DMT that I was going to be in a straight jacket or this was real.



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And It was real because the Lord started working on me and started revealing his



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00:27:20
presence to me with great wisdom and clarity and new vision and new eyes.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:23
I became a new creature in Christ and my whole life changed and I



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:26
started pursuing and hungrily pursuing the Lord And so many miracles and



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00:27:33
things have happened in my life.



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00:27:34
So much grace and beauty and all the things I've ever wanted.



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00:27:37
He's given it to me and more, but he gave me the one thing I was always looking for.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:44
I was always hunting for what does it mean to, to love yourself,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:51
but it was self centered.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:52
What does it mean to love yourself?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:27:55
What I learned was what does it mean to be loved by God, which



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00:27:59
means you don't have to try.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:02
You don't have to earn it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:04
It's given.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:05
There's freedom



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:06
the there's so much freedom in that and for for some of those



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:11
who might not understand that concept Because that's the whole concept of grace.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:15
That's what the gospel is.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:16
That's what Jesus talked about.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:20
Yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:21
What's your advice to someone who might be stuck in



Moussa Mikhail:
00:28:24
the paradigm of they need to do and earn God's love and grace?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:34
You know, it's a tough one, man.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:35
That's a good, it's a very good question.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:39
I'm not sure if you can tell those people something.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:43
I think it's them being willing to explore a new perspective.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:50
Like why are you holding, I mean, again, it's just crazy.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:53
I just started reading that, that the book of Ecclesiastes and everything.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:28:57
You're saying it just, the Lord's just given me heavenly wisdom.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:01
And you just keep saying like, Why are you, why are you so excited about holding



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:06
on to things that are temporary, when I want to give you things that are eternal?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:12
So it goes back to what you asked me, how do you stay integrous,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:15
right, in a world that's so insane?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:17
I'm only focused on an audience of one who tells me everything that



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:20
I'm telling you to do, will give you everything you want, and it's eternal.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:27
Why, like, I used to be the guy that was like, dude, it'd be so cool to get a



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:32
McLaren and maybe put it on my Instagram.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:35
Now I see those people no judgment.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:38
I just look at it and go, eh,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:29:42
Vanity.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:43
good for you.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:29:45
said.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:47
It's



Moussa Mikhail:
00:29:47
Everything is vanity.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:49
like I was just saying to my friend, like things I dream about



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:52
is like being able to make so much money that I could tithe the billion dollars



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:59
to me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:29:59
That's like what a baller does.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:03
Yeah,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:03
And you guess what?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:04
You don't say anything.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:06
You just let your Papa in heaven.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:08
No.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:09
that's beautiful, man.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:11
I want, I want to ask you, because I was, I was with you in a little bit



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:15
in that self development journey,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:18
Oh yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:19
and I came to that point where I'm like,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:22
I'm reading all these books.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:25
I've read like hundreds, like hundreds of books, and I get value out of it,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:30
because I'm just wired that way that I'm going to learn from anything,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:33
even if it's a terrible book.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:34
Yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:35
could learn what not to say or what not to do or how that



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:38
doesn't align with certain things.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:40
But there was a certain point where I grew up in that religion and I



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:44
was just like, I need to, I need to know what Jesus really said.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:47
Yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:48
And I think that goes back to your point.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:51
Or how do you know God's voice if you've never read it?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:30:58
That's.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:30:58
was I gonna know what Jesus taught if I'd



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:00
never sat down and read it word for word in any of the Gospels?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:05
Or if you don't pray,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:07
Exactly.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:09
because see, this is, you're nailing it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:10
This is the relationship part.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:12
This gets you out of the do gooders, out of the, the, the people who



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:16
say, I did X, I did Y, I did Z.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:18
I'm good.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:21
Then I never knew you.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:22
dude, that's when you said that made my hair go.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:24
That's my biggest fear.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:26
And I know that I'm a rebuke that spirit of, of fear out of me right now.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:30
In Jesus mighty name, but that I'll get up there in front of him and



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:35
he'll be like, yo, you did all the things, bro, but you never knew me.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:39
Yeah, Matthew 7.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:40
That's harsh.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:41
I think that one shook me the most.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:44
me the most.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:44
It's harsh because it shows it shows his his righteous anger,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:31:49
Yeah.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:50
understand.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:50
They think he's like a floating around a fluffy cloud up there.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:53
No, he's he's righteous and he has righteous anger.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:31:57
Meaning like if you, if you, if you're going to be out, basically what he's



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:00
saying is like, yo, you played me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:03
You were out there fooling everyone on earth, but you ain't fooling me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:05
You never knew me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:06
You didn't come to me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:07
You didn't pray with me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:08
You didn't prophesy.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:09
You didn't come to me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:10
You just did all the showstoppers.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:13
That also reflects like a lot of how people show up.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:16
Isn't that interesting?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:18
Right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:20
look good.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:20
They



Moussa Mikhail:
00:32:20
What



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:21
good.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:21
They get good.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:22
They act good.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:23
But behind



Moussa Mikhail:
00:32:23
was it for?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:25
behind closed doors It's hard out there, man, especially



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:28
being a man, you know, women will say it's so hard being a woman probably is.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:31
I'm not a woman.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:32
I can't speak for that.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:33
But I know for a man, if you really want to be a real biblical man of God,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:37
it's not easy in this terrain out here.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:32:41
It's war.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:43
It's every day.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:44
There's temptation every day.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:46
I'm married.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:47
And I tell my wife all the time.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:48
I said, the biggest battleground is the gym.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:51
It's like insane.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:55
I just want to go work out.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:56
I don't want to be tempted.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:32:57
I don't want to see half naked girls like doing things like that,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:00
but that's the world we live in.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:01
You can't tell them you shouldn't do that.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:04
should be more disciplined, keep my eyes more concealed,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:10
set better parameters, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:12
I just feel like everywhere we go, you get on Instagram,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:15
you go anywhere, you do this.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:16
It's become normalized to be a person that lacks integrity,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:20
that has a strong moral ethic.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:22
It's like, yo, weirdo, I'm like, am I that weird?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:28
You know, I think it also, it's just a landscape of what men are perceiving as,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:35
as a standard has, I think has shifted, but now it's shifting back into it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:40
I think men are starting to have a hunger again for God because they're learning



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:44
that all the accomplishments and things and the medals and the awards don't do it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:33:49
And you still have that God size hole in your heart.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:33:53
Yeah,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:33:56
that's huge, man.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:33:58
Man, I just, I feel, I resonate with everything that we've been talking



Moussa Mikhail:
00:34:04
about here, because it's, I think it's, it's a common experience for men.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:08
Yeah,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:34:09
You know, it's not unique necessarily.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:34:11
I mean, it might appear to be, and there's going to be unique.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:34:15
Encounters and unique obstacles and challenges, but fundamentally we were



Moussa Mikhail:
00:34:23
created to love and to be loved by God.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:27
absolutely.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:28
I think it's also important that you said, like, you know,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:32
it's like iron sharpens iron.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:33
I know it's catchy.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:34
I hear it all the time, but it's true.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:37
You know, we need to sharpen each other.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:38
We need to have conversations like this.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:40
We need to put ourselves in accountability circles.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:44
You know, we need to be, we need to keep each other integrous, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:47
We need to reveal to one another from a loving place because wives or your



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:53
girlfriends or what I'm gonna speak it the way I want is like our wives, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:56
If you're, if you have a girlfriend, your girlfriend shouldn't be



Jerold Limongelli:
00:34:59
overseeing your life in that capacity.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:01
You're not wed yet.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:02
You're not one flesh.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:03
But when you have a wife, she should not become the emotional pincushion to you.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:08
Like guys coming home and venting and talking about their



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:10
day and huffing and puffing.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:12
That's not what your wife wants to do, bro.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:15
Your wife wants to be nurtured and loved.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:17
So you got to learn to offload that.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:18
You have to learn to go to your men.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:20
You have to go to your tribe.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:21
You have to get correct.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:22
So when you go home, you're still the leader.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:25
I love that man.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:26
Yeah,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:27
And as we, as we wrap this up, cause I could talk to you for



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:31
six hours straight and do like a double Joe Rogan podcast or something, but



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:34
of those one day.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:36
yeah, but for who you were before you felt the hand of God.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:44
Lord,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:45
We don't want to go there, but



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:46
forgive me.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:47
if you had to give that person some advice



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:50
on how to be truly transformed.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:35:54
What would you say?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:55
Man, you've gotten good with the questions, man.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:35:57
You always had good questions, but now they're like really good questions.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:36:01
to step it up, man?



Moussa Mikhail:
00:36:01
I'm doing this for God now.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:36:03
Remember



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:03
That's right.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:04
You know, that's interesting because I meet young people and it's like I want



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:08
to shake them like a Raggedy Ann doll.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:10
It's like, can't you just figure it out then I think about me because I'm so,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:15
you, when you're young you're stubborn.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:17
You think you know everything.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:21
I'm not sure if I would tell the young person, the young me, anything.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:24
You know what I would do?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:25
I'd become the example of what he saw as possibility.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:31
I think when you're young and you start telling people



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:33
things, like a parental wound.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:36
Like, I'm gonna tell you what to do.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:39
But what happens if we change the dialogue to, I'm gonna show you what's possible.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:44
And the fruit of my life is so tasty that you're gonna want it too.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:51
And I think that's



Moussa Mikhail:
00:36:51
that's



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:52
did.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:52
He didn't like say, you know, listen, he gave commands, but he showed you



Jerold Limongelli:
00:36:59
what his holy life looked like, what forgiveness looks like, what grace



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:03
look like, what repentance look like,



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:06
Yeah.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:07
look like, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:07
So you wanted it.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:11
That's more of like, don't preach the gospel, but be the gospel.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:15
Exactly.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:16
There's a time for preaching, right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:18
And there's



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:18
There you



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:19
for being on how



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:22
got to hear it.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:23
right?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:23
There's some guys that have been called to stand on the street



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:25
corners and just cast it down.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:27
And there's some people that are made to be in the pulpit.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:29
And there's some people that are made to be on a podcast.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:33
All right.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:33
He'll use it all.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:37
I love you, Jerold



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:38
you too.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:40
How can people who are listening connect with you and what



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:45
else do you what else are you working on



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:47
Yeah.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:37:48
can really serve other people right now?



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:51
Amazing.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:51
Well, thank you for that.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:52
Instagram is always great.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:53
I love it when the people reach out.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:55
I try to get back to you right away.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:57
I'm sure you'll put it in the, in the description so you can



Jerold Limongelli:
00:37:59
just reach out to me on IG.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:01
Just shoot me a message.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:02
I get back to you as quickly as I can.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:05
As far as what I'm up to, you know, besides working on a bunch



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:08
of different businesses, I think.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:09
You know, the one thing that's really been just exciting and amazing to work



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:13
on is the work I'm doing with Steve Weatherford and champions in Christ.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:17
So helping him build out all his, you know, faith based leadership programs



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:23
where we're really helping men step into leadership so they can lead in their



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:26
business, families, and communities.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:28
And I've just been gung ho about his in person event called launching



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:31
pad that he does once a month.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:34
in Dallas, Texas, where we get about 25 men together to have just a real physical



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:39
manifestation and encounter with the Holy Ghost and just have rapid healing



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:43
through physical discipline, spiritual authority, and emotional healing.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:47
And it's just been incredible.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:50
so I know we're going to launch a whole bunch of them in the new year.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:53
We're wrapping up the last one in November.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:55
I don't know when this comes out, but man, that's just been incredible.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:38:58
I was with my wife.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:00
Dallas at 11, church 1132.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:04
The pastor randomly prophesied to me to, merge my business and my ministry.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:10
And I feel like that work really gets to do that where I get to bring



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:14
a kingdom skill set in business into, my faith and love for the



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:19
Lord and allow, allow that to merge.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:22
So that's been a really beautiful thing.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:23
And I'm just excited to see how the Lord will unfold that in



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:26
all his glory in the new year.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:29
I love them.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:30
And I'm going to have to partake in that.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:31
got to come



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:32
I've been due for a Dallas trip to,



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:34
Let's go.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:35
You'll be always be my guest.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:36
Hey man, I love you so much.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:38
Thank you for taking the time out.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:40
I used to tell people this back in my old podcast, but it still reigns true.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:43
The greatest gift I feel we can give is our time and our energy.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:46
So



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:46
Praise God.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:47
you for doing that.



Moussa Mikhail:
00:39:48
My brother



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:49
You're welcome.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:49
Thanks for having me.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:50
It's an honor.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:51
Thank you for tuning in.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:53
Be a light and share this with someone you love and care about.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:39:57
And please subscribe and leave a review so we can reach more people.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:40:01
And remember, do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be



Jerold Limongelli:
00:40:05
transformed by the renewing of your mind.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:40:08
Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is.



Jerold Limongelli:
00:40:13
His good, pleasing, and perfect will.