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All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within.
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But how do we spark that flame?
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Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit.
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We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm.
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And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
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Explain to me a little bit about the regenerative learning ways.
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I've never heard that before, and I'd love to dig into that a little bit.
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So when we look at business, right now what we see is economically, socially, with resources, the needs are changing.
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And so businesses are having to pivot their business models to respond to the needs of the market.
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And in education, we've traditionally been slower to pivot because it's there's a lot of administrative, it's like top heavy.
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We're driving a big ship, you know.
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So as the needs of our clients change, which for us are children, and those needs are changing in like within the past five years, teaching pre-COVID, during COVID, and post-COVID, it's like what children can do is completely different.
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And things they can't do that they need to be able to do to work together in a group, there are skill deficits that were just considered basic part of childhood that now we're having to teach explicitly.
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So it's social emotional education and executive functioning that teaches children how to plan their time and organize their work and take initiative and stick with it and finish the job.
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And there's all these things that we're now having to teach explicitly.
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And so the idea of regenerative systems is that it's based on permaculture, which is the idea that instead of constantly receiving outside input that shapes the structure, that we start to cycle within the structure so that what's created and what is considered like this isn't working, actually can go back in to feed and inform what we need and what to do next.
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So in the classroom, what that looks like is teachers are the expert on kids.
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And teachers need systems that allow them to inform their work environments and give feedback and shape their curriculum to meet the needs of the children in front of them.
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And so that means from year to year that could look different based off of the children that are in that classroom.
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Is that correct?
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Am I understanding that?
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That will look different.
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Yeah.
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And that looks different based on um who the teachers are, who the children are, their home culture, their needs in the space, their academic and learning needs, their family, their actual physical needs, like are they getting food?
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And who knows that best?
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Teachers and parents.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I would imagine that this is like taking this concept and philosophy and applying it to young learners, this would need to carry on year after year, right?
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Because it's not a magic pill that you swallow where you get to grow all of those internal pieces or strengthen those internal skills that we have lost along the way somehow.
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And our goal is not to identify why or when, but when we're incorporating that and bringing that back in to the young learners, does that go?
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I mean, it's going to continue for years, right?
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It's not just one semester or one year.
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It's understanding this philosophy and teaching for years to come.
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Yes.
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And so what happened for our group, and which is now the Grove Educational Council, is that a group of concerned educators that were observing similar things and we each had a different specialty in research, we started talking and saying, how does this need to change?
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How can we create tools for other teachers and for administrators to be more responsive in the moment?
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And so as it's taken, it's an organic regenerative process that we're in right now.
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It is an iterative process where we start to work together and say, hey, I think this could help others.
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And then we create a larger group.
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And then we say, how could we be more responsive to the needs that come up and then not only address that current need in the moment, but create resources that support teachers to feel empowered and informed in how they speak to parents and how they work with children and in how they collaborate among each other.
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Because what we found what's more effective, rather than a one-hour professional development, and then tell the over extended teachers to go apply it, what's more effective is teachers come to us and say, hey, this came up and I'm not sure what to do about it.
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And so, just like with the parenting, we as women know innately that we can feed and pour into one another just by holding space and listening, then by trusting the person's innate instinct and intelligence.
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And then by weaving together wisdom that's held collectively into a tangible and even systemic structure that allows teachers then to go back and feel more empowered.
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I feel that you can take the same principles and apply them to the workspace from a managerial standpoint, right?
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You could do the exact same thing.
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I think that that would be tremendously powerful.
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We would see a huge shift in terms of how individuals lead and how employees are showing up if that space was created.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That would be incredible because I just think about how the workplace has dramatically changed since COVID.
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And leaders don't often have the tools like what this council is kind of creating where they can collaborate, share, change, evolve, all of those things that you're creating.
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It would be really powerful.
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And to feel supported, it's it's really impactful for leaders too.
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I've heard time and time again, administrators and business leaders saying it's lonely.
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Exactly.
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Everyone comes with their needs and demands, and I can't meet all the needs, and it's lonely.
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Yeah.
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And they feel like they're left holding all of the problems and having to also provide all of the solution.
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Right.
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And no one person can do that.
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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Kristen, what I would love for you to share with us is kind of the I interpret it as the magic.
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You didn't say that.
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But as we think about like the experience and expertise that we bring to the table, our culture has definitely built that based off of a hierarchical space, right?
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Like we definitely embrace that from a cultural context, and that's fine.
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But what you all have been able to identify is that every person brings a different strength and skill and area of expertise to the table, and it created this synergistic collaborative space.
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Talk to us about that experience on the back end, because I think that's super powerful as well.
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And just watching the transformation that happens with the collective as you're working to create these new spaces for young learners.
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Well, it's been really interesting because I think it is both interpersonal and intrapersonal.
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And 100% a lot of times in business and in education, it's very fast-paced.
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And it's hard to take the time to do that inner work and also to be uncomfortable to have hard conversations with people and say this isn't working, or the way that you're communicating is, you know, I'm feeling stressed out and overwhelmed, and it's hard for me to receive this right now.
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And so I believe to really have impactful systemic change within an organization, we have to make time and recognize, and the leadership has to value not only the hard systems where it's on paper policies and procedures, but also the more living and organic systems within and between people.
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And to build a work culture where that is supported, and we talk about creating a safe space.
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And reality is risk taking isn't always safe.
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Risk taking is vulnerable.
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And so innovation and change is not going to feel safe.
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So instead, what we are striving to create is a brave space where people lead with humility, with curiosity and openness, and a willingness to explore differing perspectives.
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And experience the expansion that comes with that.
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Right.
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So when you talk about a brave space, I think that brings forward a different type of energy versus a safe space.
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And we all want a safe space.
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Not that the safe space is not important, but when you have that brave space, when you have the innovation and the creativity and the fresh ideas that come forth, the change as a result that comes along with that is not going to overwhelm the group.
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It's expected.
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We're stepping into a brave space.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So a lot of what I'm really learning right now, I did years of research and I've been fortunate to be able to go to lots of different organizations and watch and interview people and watch their process and see what seemed to be working well and what was not working so well.
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And really, the schools that I saw, the best outcomes were schools where there were both a clear system of agreements, both in policies and procedures, but with flexibility, but also in relational understandings.
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There was some clarity, and then there was also a sense of warmth.
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Being able to identify those learning environments where that's possible, kudos to you because I know that our educators are up against not just their own personal performance, but also the performance of the children.
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And I know that that's kind of the benchmark that's used, literally, part in the pun, the benchmark that's used for many of the children.
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And so when you're able to go into some of these school systems to see this opportunity and recognize the opportunity for educators and the administrators to work together to truly create this space that you speak to, what do you see as like the best practices that truly work?
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They're getting it and they're ready to apply it and see the change and shift.
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Well, I think the best practices, just right off the top of my head, that I've really seen time and time again is when the administrator is the biggest advocate for their staff, that's where the rave space is created because people say, Oh, this person is pouring into me.
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They believe in me, they're going to support and back me.
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So I can I can start to take chances and I can start to give feedback.
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You know, and it's really simple.
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It's just like in technology, the most effective technology is the simplest.
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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Because it can be adapted to the time and space.
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Exactly.
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So it's getting that buy-in from those administrators to make sure that they are creating those brave spaces.
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It is, but the really interesting thing about human development as I've studied it, as well as institutional development, is that you have two threats, two kinds of flows.
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One is top-down, which in the individual, that's like I'm intellectually thinking about it, then I'm feeling about it, and then I'm doing it.
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So we can think about systems.
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And then there's from the bottom up, which is I am learning through doing, experiential learning.
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And then that gives me a feeling that informs my thinking.
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And so when we have the two currents working at the same time, it's more effective because if we're just moving on feeling, and it's just the same with the rhythm for children.
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It's like if we're just in the flow of vibes, we can't make progress.
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I was gonna say, good luck on controlling the day.
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You can't make progress.
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You're just reacting.
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Yeah, there's no strategy.
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But if we're coming purely from an intellectual standpoint, then it becomes abstract and it's there's no praxis, there's no actual hands-on applied work.
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So it's the same with working with some educators and schools, is that yes, the administrators have a lot of power to shape culture and to drive that, but a lot of administrators don't always know how to do that effectively.
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And then also working from the bottom up means that the educators, just simply in doing the work, in exploring hard questions, in supporting one another, we can find ways to make our work nurturing to ourselves and to one another, regardless of what climate we're working in.
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That's huge.
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That's huge.
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And I didn't realize when you mentioned the brave space that it's internal and external.
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So you all as the collective work to create the brave space and you bring that into the school systems as well.
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That's right.
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But I can't hold a brave space for others if I'm not doing my internal work.
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If I'm not exploring my own triggers, if I'm not working through my own traumas or whatever in my background or the social, you know, situation, then it's I can't be present for an innovative space.
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So again, that ties back into the resilience.
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So I have to be nourished.
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Yep.
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And open to exploring whatever your subconscious brain has programmed for the many, many years leading up to today, right?
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It's it's where is that response or reaction coming from?
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Where's that belief coming from?
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Is it mine?
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And does it play a role in what we're working to achieve in this moment or in this space?
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Yeah.
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I think that's that's a lot of the introspective as well.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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And being willing to take ownership and at least be curious about that when things come up that are hard.
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Take a step back and you know, back to the what did I do when I had a young baby and was in a really stressful situation?
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It's like, what did I do?
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I went for a walk.
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Yes, yep.
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Go outside, in the trees, in the sun, move your body.
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Absolutely.
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Get touch the earth, get away from the screens.
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Yes, drink some water.
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Yes.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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It reminds me of there's a video clip that was going around this last week or so of Oprah, and I forget who she was interviewing or talking to.
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It might have been Ryan Leek.
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I think it was Ryan Leek's, if I'm not mistaken.
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And they were talking about kind of how we as adults and professionals show up when we have those challenging conversations that we need to have.
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Typically, when they're challenging conversations, something has been triggered within us.
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And the trigger is something that typically is rooted back into childhood.
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So we're really responding as like the nine or 10-year-old version of ourselves and not the 40-something year old version of ourselves.
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And so I that has sat with me for the last couple of weeks.
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And I've thought, you're absolutely correct.
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And so when you talk about the curiosity, when I feel something bubble up or a response or a reaction bubble up, I'm like, is that me today or is that the 10-year-old version of me that is triggered by that?
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Right.
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And it's, I think that's an important piece for us to carry into whatever space we're in, from parenting or from the professional standpoint.
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I love that.
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And that's why for me, it's important to create containers and habits because it gives, it holds space for the reflect or the pause.
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And just like in my day, I have a place where my keys go as soon as I get in the house and a place where the phones charge.
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And because if I don't, I've lost my keys and my phone's about to die.
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Of course.
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Right?
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Absolutely.
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And the phone is usually in your hand when you can't find it.
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Right.
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My glasses are on.
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Where's my glasses?
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Yeah, I'm on your on your face.
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I'm so glad that I I'm not by myself with that.
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So thank you.
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You are not.
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Yeah.
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That is one statement that I say in my house so many times it just makes me laugh now.
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I'm always like, where are my glasses?
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I just I cannot see.
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Yeah.
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Well, it goes back to those routines you talked about is when you have a specific routine, your brain doesn't have to work as hard because it becomes so automatic that my keys are automatically put in the same place.
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My purse is automatically in the same place.
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Then we don't ever have to, oh my gosh, what did I do with my keys?
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Oh, they're in your hand, mom.
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So at least we have children to, you know, point out remind us of those things.
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But what I found too, though, is having that rhythm and those systems in place allows me, once I establish those systems and I can change them as I need to.
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Some of those basic things, it's so simple and it works.
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So it's like I just am gonna drink water every day when I wake up.
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Yeah.
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And then I don't have to think about it.
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I'm just gonna always keep my keys there and then I don't have to think about it.
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That allows me to have the space to do this higher level inner work or to further my education or to work with a difficult situation with a client.
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And so that gives us space for high more high-value work that we're and that's part of also maturing with age is that instead of the frantic, where's my keys, it's like I know where my keys are.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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It's like that cognitive burnout, right?
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It's like we make so many decisions.
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It's like one less decision that we can make allows me the space to make a decision that actually requires the competency that I bring to the table.
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Yeah, right.
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That's the or the expertise that I bring to the table.
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Yes.
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Instead, I spent 15 minutes looking for working classes.
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As long as our our children don't move our stuff around.
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Yes.
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Not that I'm saying it's abducted.
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I think that's what they were born for.
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They were born to move our cheese so that it's us on our cheese.
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Yes, they are here just to move your cheese.
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Yes.
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Keeps me on my toes.
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But they really are our greatest teacher.
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They totally learn so much.
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And it's so fun when you you see yourself and your kids when they start to do stuff and you're like, oh, that's totally me.
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Oh, that's totally their dad.
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Yeah.
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Both the, oh gosh, I better change that habit and the wow, I'm so proud of you.
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Yes, yes.
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Yes.
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I love it.
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I always said like it's it's hard when you realize that you're actually just parenting yourself.
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It's always challenging there, right?
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Yep.
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That's exactly what it is.
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Yeah.
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Kirsten, I would love to hear in terms of like in the future, the collective and kind of what you are aspiring to achieve and working to achieve moving forward.
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What is that bigger goal and what does that look like for you all?
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Well, you know, it's easy to come from my head and make a big list of achievements and goals.
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I want to be a TEDx speaker.
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Ooh, okay.
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And I'm writing a book and I want to publish, you know, I have these goals and I'm moving towards them.
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I'm taking my little steps on the path.
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But I think really what I'm learning from this process is that to be present and keep showing up for this conversation of life and of, you know, the work that we're holding and to keep the more clear that becomes for me, the more the right people are drawn to me and the right opportunities are drawn where we are mutually supportive, we are learning from one another, and it creates this culture of growth and reciprocity and inspiration.
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And so I think more important to me than those, I do have those tangible goals and I am going to achieve them.
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Yes.
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But I also want to be inspired.
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Yeah.
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And inspired.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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I want to work with people that make me keep growing.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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That is powerful.
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That is so great.
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And for the opportunities that you're working to attract now, what does that look like?
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If we have a listener that's tuning in, like how can they connect with you, collaborate with you, or even make connection for you?
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What does that look like?
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Yes.
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So currently, what I'm doing, I teach mindfulness and breath work techniques and things like that for the in groups.
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My work is really primarily focused on supporting groups in education, but I am doing something corporate as well, supporting group wellness and people being able to be present in their bodies and curious.
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I have been doing some administrative coaching to support the systems change, and I want to move more into that.
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And then have a really amazing team of people who are also just highly skilled in education and the healing arts and finding more ways.
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To bring that together.
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So, really, right now, what I'm calling in definitely I'm doing coaching and mentoring and team building work, but also a lot about people who are interested in this regenerative model of work, of living and working.
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And I just want to learn what others are doing and as well invite them into the work that we're doing at the Grove.
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I am so excited to see how this grows because I mean my kids are grown now, but I do have grandchildren that are like coming into the schools.
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And I just love this idea of basically this collaborative, resourceful community that you're building that will completely impact the next generation that's that's coming out of those school systems.
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So powerful.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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No, thank you.
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Thank you.
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And thank you to the other collaborators that are uh part of the collective.
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I think that it's to have the vision and then to also implement it because you are, I mean, going, it's one ask at a time, right?
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And so going in and being able to make that connection and have the impact on so many lives and generations to come, it's spectacular.
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So thank you for the work that you're doing.
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Yeah, thank you.
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And what's happened so far is that it's coming to us.
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People are reaching out to us and saying, hey, can you come in to our school and observe this uh pattern that's happening?
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Or hey, we have this need and can you come and help us?
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So my hope and my goal is that people that see this would, if that's something that they feel called to and compelled to, that they would just reach out and connect and we can just see what may come from that.
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I think it's amazing.
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That is amazing.
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We will make sure that we put your contact information in the show notes as well.
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So if we have a listener that is tuning in and they're thinking we need you to come and visit our schools, we'll make sure that they connect.
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And then also if they want to do the personal work, because you're also doing personal work with individuals within the group setting, we can include that information as well.
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But it has been an absolute honor to have you on and to hear about the work that you're doing.
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And thank you for sharing your personal story as well.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This was great.
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This is amazing.
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Yeah, and knock it out as you're working towards you're taking the small steps, podcast check.
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You can now that's part of your podcaster.
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Amazing.
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What a great first podcast with this loving and supportive group of women that are just doing amazing work in the world.
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So I love it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Oh my goodness.
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It's an honor to have you here for our listeners.
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We will make sure that we put Kirsten's contact information in the show notes so that you can connect with her and keep an eye out for our weekly newsletter as well, where we'll have some additional information that showcases the episodes.
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Until next time, we will see you all soon.
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All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within.
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But how do we spark that flame?
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Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit.
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We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm.
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And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
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Explain to me a little bit about the regenerative learning ways.
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I've never heard that before, and I'd love to dig into that a little bit.
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So when we look at business, right now what we see is economically, socially, with resources, the needs are changing.
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And so businesses are having to pivot their business models to respond to the needs of the market.
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And in education, we've traditionally been slower to pivot because it's there's a lot of administrative, it's like top heavy.
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We're driving a big ship, you know.
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So as the needs of our clients change, which for us are children, and those needs are changing in like within the past five years, teaching pre-COVID, during COVID, and post-COVID, it's like what children can do is completely different.
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And things they can't do that they need to be able to do to work together in a group, there are skill deficits that were just considered basic part of childhood that now we're having to teach explicitly.
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So it's social emotional education and executive functioning that teaches children how to plan their time and organize their work and take initiative and stick with it and finish the job.
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And there's all these things that we're now having to teach explicitly.
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And so the idea of regenerative systems is that it's based on permaculture, which is the idea that instead of constantly receiving outside input that shapes the structure, that we start to cycle within the structure so that what's created and what is considered like this isn't working, actually can go back in to feed and inform what we need and what to do next.
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So in the classroom, what that looks like is teachers are the expert on kids.
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And teachers need systems that allow them to inform their work environments and give feedback and shape their curriculum to meet the needs of the children in front of them.
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And so that means from year to year that could look different based off of the children that are in that classroom.
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Is that correct?
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Am I understanding that?
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That will look different.
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Yeah.
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And that looks different based on um who the teachers are, who the children are, their home culture, their needs in the space, their academic and learning needs, their family, their actual physical needs, like are they getting food?
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And who knows that best?
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Teachers and parents.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I would imagine that this is like taking this concept and philosophy and applying it to young learners, this would need to carry on year after year, right?
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Because it's not a magic pill that you swallow where you get to grow all of those internal pieces or strengthen those internal skills that we have lost along the way somehow.
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And our goal is not to identify why or when, but when we're incorporating that and bringing that back in to the young learners, does that go?
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I mean, it's going to continue for years, right?
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It's not just one semester or one year.
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It's understanding this philosophy and teaching for years to come.
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Yes.
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And so what happened for our group, and which is now the Grove Educational Council, is that a group of concerned educators that were observing similar things and we each had a different specialty in research, we started talking and saying, how does this need to change?
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How can we create tools for other teachers and for administrators to be more responsive in the moment?
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And so as it's taken, it's an organic regenerative process that we're in right now.
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It is an iterative process where we start to work together and say, hey, I think this could help others.
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And then we create a larger group.
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And then we say, how could we be more responsive to the needs that come up and then not only address that current need in the moment, but create resources that support teachers to feel empowered and informed in how they speak to parents and how they work with children and in how they collaborate among each other.
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Because what we found what's more effective, rather than a one-hour professional development, and then tell the over extended teachers to go apply it, what's more effective is teachers come to us and say, hey, this came up and I'm not sure what to do about it.
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And so, just like with the parenting, we as women know innately that we can feed and pour into one another just by holding space and listening, then by trusting the person's innate instinct and intelligence.
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And then by weaving together wisdom that's held collectively into a tangible and even systemic structure that allows teachers then to go back and feel more empowered.
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I feel that you can take the same principles and apply them to the workspace from a managerial standpoint, right?
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You could do the exact same thing.
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I think that that would be tremendously powerful.
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We would see a huge shift in terms of how individuals lead and how employees are showing up if that space was created.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That would be incredible because I just think about how the workplace has dramatically changed since COVID.
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And leaders don't often have the tools like what this council is kind of creating where they can collaborate, share, change, evolve, all of those things that you're creating.
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It would be really powerful.
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And to feel supported, it's it's really impactful for leaders too.
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I've heard time and time again, administrators and business leaders saying it's lonely.
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Exactly.
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Everyone comes with their needs and demands, and I can't meet all the needs, and it's lonely.
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Yeah.
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And they feel like they're left holding all of the problems and having to also provide all of the solution.
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Right.
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And no one person can do that.
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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Kristen, what I would love for you to share with us is kind of the I interpret it as the magic.
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You didn't say that.
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But as we think about like the experience and expertise that we bring to the table, our culture has definitely built that based off of a hierarchical space, right?
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Like we definitely embrace that from a cultural context, and that's fine.
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But what you all have been able to identify is that every person brings a different strength and skill and area of expertise to the table, and it created this synergistic collaborative space.
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Talk to us about that experience on the back end, because I think that's super powerful as well.
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And just watching the transformation that happens with the collective as you're working to create these new spaces for young learners.
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Well, it's been really interesting because I think it is both interpersonal and intrapersonal.
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And 100% a lot of times in business and in education, it's very fast-paced.
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And it's hard to take the time to do that inner work and also to be uncomfortable to have hard conversations with people and say this isn't working, or the way that you're communicating is, you know, I'm feeling stressed out and overwhelmed, and it's hard for me to receive this right now.
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And so I believe to really have impactful systemic change within an organization, we have to make time and recognize, and the leadership has to value not only the hard systems where it's on paper policies and procedures, but also the more living and organic systems within and between people.
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And to build a work culture where that is supported, and we talk about creating a safe space.
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And reality is risk taking isn't always safe.
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Risk taking is vulnerable.
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And so innovation and change is not going to feel safe.
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So instead, what we are striving to create is a brave space where people lead with humility, with curiosity and openness, and a willingness to explore differing perspectives.
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And experience the expansion that comes with that.
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Right.
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So when you talk about a brave space, I think that brings forward a different type of energy versus a safe space.
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And we all want a safe space.
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Not that the safe space is not important, but when you have that brave space, when you have the innovation and the creativity and the fresh ideas that come forth, the change as a result that comes along with that is not going to overwhelm the group.
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It's expected.
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We're stepping into a brave space.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So a lot of what I'm really learning right now, I did years of research and I've been fortunate to be able to go to lots of different organizations and watch and interview people and watch their process and see what seemed to be working well and what was not working so well.
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And really, the schools that I saw, the best outcomes were schools where there were both a clear system of agreements, both in policies and procedures, but with flexibility, but also in relational understandings.
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There was some clarity, and then there was also a sense of warmth.
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Being able to identify those learning environments where that's possible, kudos to you because I know that our educators are up against not just their own personal performance, but also the performance of the children.
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And I know that that's kind of the benchmark that's used, literally, part in the pun, the benchmark that's used for many of the children.
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And so when you're able to go into some of these school systems to see this opportunity and recognize the opportunity for educators and the administrators to work together to truly create this space that you speak to, what do you see as like the best practices that truly work?
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They're getting it and they're ready to apply it and see the change and shift.
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Well, I think the best practices, just right off the top of my head, that I've really seen time and time again is when the administrator is the biggest advocate for their staff, that's where the rave space is created because people say, Oh, this person is pouring into me.
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They believe in me, they're going to support and back me.
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So I can I can start to take chances and I can start to give feedback.
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You know, and it's really simple.
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It's just like in technology, the most effective technology is the simplest.
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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Because it can be adapted to the time and space.
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Exactly.
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So it's getting that buy-in from those administrators to make sure that they are creating those brave spaces.
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It is, but the really interesting thing about human development as I've studied it, as well as institutional development, is that you have two threats, two kinds of flows.
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One is top-down, which in the individual, that's like I'm intellectually thinking about it, then I'm feeling about it, and then I'm doing it.
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So we can think about systems.
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And then there's from the bottom up, which is I am learning through doing, experiential learning.
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And then that gives me a feeling that informs my thinking.
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And so when we have the two currents working at the same time, it's more effective because if we're just moving on feeling, and it's just the same with the rhythm for children.
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It's like if we're just in the flow of vibes, we can't make progress.
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I was gonna say, good luck on controlling the day.
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You can't make progress.
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You're just reacting.
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Yeah, there's no strategy.
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But if we're coming purely from an intellectual standpoint, then it becomes abstract and it's there's no praxis, there's no actual hands-on applied work.
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So it's the same with working with some educators and schools, is that yes, the administrators have a lot of power to shape culture and to drive that, but a lot of administrators don't always know how to do that effectively.
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And then also working from the bottom up means that the educators, just simply in doing the work, in exploring hard questions, in supporting one another, we can find ways to make our work nurturing to ourselves and to one another, regardless of what climate we're working in.
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That's huge.
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That's huge.
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And I didn't realize when you mentioned the brave space that it's internal and external.
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So you all as the collective work to create the brave space and you bring that into the school systems as well.
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That's right.
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But I can't hold a brave space for others if I'm not doing my internal work.
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If I'm not exploring my own triggers, if I'm not working through my own traumas or whatever in my background or the social, you know, situation, then it's I can't be present for an innovative space.
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So again, that ties back into the resilience.
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So I have to be nourished.
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Yep.
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And open to exploring whatever your subconscious brain has programmed for the many, many years leading up to today, right?
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It's it's where is that response or reaction coming from?
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Where's that belief coming from?
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Is it mine?
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And does it play a role in what we're working to achieve in this moment or in this space?
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Yeah.
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I think that's that's a lot of the introspective as well.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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And being willing to take ownership and at least be curious about that when things come up that are hard.
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Take a step back and you know, back to the what did I do when I had a young baby and was in a really stressful situation?
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It's like, what did I do?
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I went for a walk.
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Yes, yep.
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Go outside, in the trees, in the sun, move your body.
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Absolutely.
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Get touch the earth, get away from the screens.
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Yes, drink some water.
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Yes.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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It reminds me of there's a video clip that was going around this last week or so of Oprah, and I forget who she was interviewing or talking to.
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It might have been Ryan Leek.
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I think it was Ryan Leek's, if I'm not mistaken.
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And they were talking about kind of how we as adults and professionals show up when we have those challenging conversations that we need to have.
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Typically, when they're challenging conversations, something has been triggered within us.
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And the trigger is something that typically is rooted back into childhood.
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So we're really responding as like the nine or 10-year-old version of ourselves and not the 40-something year old version of ourselves.
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And so I that has sat with me for the last couple of weeks.
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And I've thought, you're absolutely correct.
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And so when you talk about the curiosity, when I feel something bubble up or a response or a reaction bubble up, I'm like, is that me today or is that the 10-year-old version of me that is triggered by that?
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Right.
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And it's, I think that's an important piece for us to carry into whatever space we're in, from parenting or from the professional standpoint.
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I love that.
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And that's why for me, it's important to create containers and habits because it gives, it holds space for the reflect or the pause.
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And just like in my day, I have a place where my keys go as soon as I get in the house and a place where the phones charge.
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And because if I don't, I've lost my keys and my phone's about to die.
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Of course.
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Right?
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Absolutely.
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And the phone is usually in your hand when you can't find it.
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Right.
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My glasses are on.
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Where's my glasses?
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Yeah, I'm on your on your face.
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I'm so glad that I I'm not by myself with that.
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So thank you.
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You are not.
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Yeah.
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That is one statement that I say in my house so many times it just makes me laugh now.
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I'm always like, where are my glasses?
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I just I cannot see.
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Yeah.
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Well, it goes back to those routines you talked about is when you have a specific routine, your brain doesn't have to work as hard because it becomes so automatic that my keys are automatically put in the same place.
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My purse is automatically in the same place.
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Then we don't ever have to, oh my gosh, what did I do with my keys?
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Oh, they're in your hand, mom.
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So at least we have children to, you know, point out remind us of those things.
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But what I found too, though, is having that rhythm and those systems in place allows me, once I establish those systems and I can change them as I need to.
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Some of those basic things, it's so simple and it works.
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So it's like I just am gonna drink water every day when I wake up.
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Yeah.
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And then I don't have to think about it.
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I'm just gonna always keep my keys there and then I don't have to think about it.
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That allows me to have the space to do this higher level inner work or to further my education or to work with a difficult situation with a client.
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And so that gives us space for high more high-value work that we're and that's part of also maturing with age is that instead of the frantic, where's my keys, it's like I know where my keys are.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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It's like that cognitive burnout, right?
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It's like we make so many decisions.
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It's like one less decision that we can make allows me the space to make a decision that actually requires the competency that I bring to the table.
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Yeah, right.
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That's the or the expertise that I bring to the table.
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Yes.
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Instead, I spent 15 minutes looking for working classes.
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As long as our our children don't move our stuff around.
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Yes.
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Not that I'm saying it's abducted.
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I think that's what they were born for.
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They were born to move our cheese so that it's us on our cheese.
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Yes, they are here just to move your cheese.
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Yes.
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Keeps me on my toes.
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But they really are our greatest teacher.
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They totally learn so much.
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And it's so fun when you you see yourself and your kids when they start to do stuff and you're like, oh, that's totally me.
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Oh, that's totally their dad.
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Yeah.
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Both the, oh gosh, I better change that habit and the wow, I'm so proud of you.
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Yes, yes.
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Yes.
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I love it.
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I always said like it's it's hard when you realize that you're actually just parenting yourself.
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It's always challenging there, right?
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Yep.
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That's exactly what it is.
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Yeah.
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Kirsten, I would love to hear in terms of like in the future, the collective and kind of what you are aspiring to achieve and working to achieve moving forward.
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What is that bigger goal and what does that look like for you all?
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Well, you know, it's easy to come from my head and make a big list of achievements and goals.
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I want to be a TEDx speaker.
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Ooh, okay.
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And I'm writing a book and I want to publish, you know, I have these goals and I'm moving towards them.
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I'm taking my little steps on the path.
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But I think really what I'm learning from this process is that to be present and keep showing up for this conversation of life and of, you know, the work that we're holding and to keep the more clear that becomes for me, the more the right people are drawn to me and the right opportunities are drawn where we are mutually supportive, we are learning from one another, and it creates this culture of growth and reciprocity and inspiration.
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And so I think more important to me than those, I do have those tangible goals and I am going to achieve them.
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Yes.
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But I also want to be inspired.
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Yeah.
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And inspired.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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I want to work with people that make me keep growing.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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That is powerful.
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That is so great.
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And for the opportunities that you're working to attract now, what does that look like?
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If we have a listener that's tuning in, like how can they connect with you, collaborate with you, or even make connection for you?
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What does that look like?
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Yes.
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So currently, what I'm doing, I teach mindfulness and breath work techniques and things like that for the in groups.
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My work is really primarily focused on supporting groups in education, but I am doing something corporate as well, supporting group wellness and people being able to be present in their bodies and curious.
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I have been doing some administrative coaching to support the systems change, and I want to move more into that.
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And then have a really amazing team of people who are also just highly skilled in education and the healing arts and finding more ways.
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To bring that together.
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So, really, right now, what I'm calling in definitely I'm doing coaching and mentoring and team building work, but also a lot about people who are interested in this regenerative model of work, of living and working.
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And I just want to learn what others are doing and as well invite them into the work that we're doing at the Grove.
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I am so excited to see how this grows because I mean my kids are grown now, but I do have grandchildren that are like coming into the schools.
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And I just love this idea of basically this collaborative, resourceful community that you're building that will completely impact the next generation that's that's coming out of those school systems.
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So powerful.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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No, thank you.
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Thank you.
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And thank you to the other collaborators that are uh part of the collective.
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I think that it's to have the vision and then to also implement it because you are, I mean, going, it's one ask at a time, right?
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And so going in and being able to make that connection and have the impact on so many lives and generations to come, it's spectacular.
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So thank you for the work that you're doing.
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Yeah, thank you.
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And what's happened so far is that it's coming to us.
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People are reaching out to us and saying, hey, can you come in to our school and observe this uh pattern that's happening?
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Or hey, we have this need and can you come and help us?
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So my hope and my goal is that people that see this would, if that's something that they feel called to and compelled to, that they would just reach out and connect and we can just see what may come from that.
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I think it's amazing.
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That is amazing.
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We will make sure that we put your contact information in the show notes as well.
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So if we have a listener that is tuning in and they're thinking we need you to come and visit our schools, we'll make sure that they connect.
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And then also if they want to do the personal work, because you're also doing personal work with individuals within the group setting, we can include that information as well.
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But it has been an absolute honor to have you on and to hear about the work that you're doing.
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And thank you for sharing your personal story as well.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This was great.
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This is amazing.
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Yeah, and knock it out as you're working towards you're taking the small steps, podcast check.
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You can now that's part of your podcaster.
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Amazing.
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What a great first podcast with this loving and supportive group of women that are just doing amazing work in the world.
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So I love it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Oh my goodness.
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It's an honor to have you here for our listeners.
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We will make sure that we put Kirsten's contact information in the show notes so that you can connect with her and keep an eye out for our weekly newsletter as well, where we'll have some additional information that showcases the episodes.
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