X-Men '97 S2 EP5 'Weapon X, Lies and DVDs' (With BlackGayComicGeek!) [PREVIEW]

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Ash, and I'm Colodan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, everybody, welcome to the big crossover.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are doing the 97 sessions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have great nerd guests talking to us about X-Men 97.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The nostalgia cartoon that we are, Love it slash eating slash cry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Out slash obsessed with slash don't want to be obsessed with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, go, go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are here together united to discuss this episode of Mutant Rivalry Today for the first time in 97 sessions history we have with us a brand new third chair Michael also known as black gay comic geek everybody say hey hi hi Michael say hi Michael
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell us who you are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Michael.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I go by black gay comic geek on all social media because I'm black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like comics and I always say the things I love the talk about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On my social media channels has blood sex, gore, and magic or any variation of the four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make a little PG13.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I even got a tattoo right here on my leg.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bloodstacks going magic, so I like to stick into fantasy, genre, superheroes, comic books, at horror movies, animated movies, all of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, black representation, a queer representation, so, make it black or make it gay or as my motto.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just for the people who can't see us right now, I just want to note that Michael is sat here with the storm shirt on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just need to point that out, because that's the great shirt, and I might want to steal it from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to make your way to America for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't, don't, don't test me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will find a way if I must.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, no, we're here to talk about X-Men 97, so before we get started actually I wanted to talk to you about your relationship to the X-Men Because you've been talking about this show as well on your Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How have you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Instagram TikTok YouTube, so I love mutants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It started with the 90s X-Men animated series Mm-hmm and this is how you knew I was a young gay child when back in the day
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cuz everybody's talking about gambit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want to be Wolverine me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why I'm like I want to be storm Made the other and power of the snowstorm blazed down upon me
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like all the other, I didn't want to be Jean Grey though because she was always faint in every single episode She can't have a levitate of pencil, I was like, come on, Scott, oh But nobody wants to be Jean Grey, that's why they have to be a lot madty in there because not even Jean wanted to be Jean She had to take like a like a quick couple of episodes off first But it was only that cartoon that did that because we look at Jean from the comics is completely different
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[SPEAKER_03]: So have you been enjoying X-Men 97s, this has been on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have been enjoying X-Men 97, but I will say this season, I'm like really feeling like it is having a lot of pacing issues in the sense of their introducing so many different concepts, characters, things that it should be important and should, if this was actually the 90s, four episode part, it's Russian through is one episode, one episode, one episode, let's move on to the next thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really showing that not just this show, but a lot of shows, stop giving us six to nine episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to these.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not 24 episodes, release 15 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If the pick can give us 15 episodes, why can't these shows?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, you've been talking about this as well a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked a lot about this in the first season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about the crunch of X-Men 97 this season?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was always a bit abridged.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's huge.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not only is there a massive cost of characters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: but there are a hundred different errors and paradigm shifts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And they have to cram massive amounts of law and background and things into these short episodes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now they've just given us more characters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, you wanna see that bitch?
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[SPEAKER_04]: From that one comment, that one time, he's here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You wanna see the one with a big arm?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You wanna see the one with nobly head?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, how about the bold 13-year-old?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why is sink bold at 13?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let him have some follicles first before you snatch him bold, please.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But,
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're shopping everyone in and me personally, I think they're trying to see what works.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, where is it going to pop off?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which episode is going to be amazing?
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we show them X-Force, does that become the favorite?
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we show them Gen X, does that become the favorite?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's a testing ground, but sometimes yeah, I agree with Michael, it can make you feel really rushed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what you're going at 60 miles an hour through X-Men?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think on my end, I come from the house of like young justice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: when we had a season storyline going from, and there was some moments in it to diverge, but that's how I wanted to feel more of a story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that is also what you Michael, you were saying, something we sacrificed also on the streaming page when everything that was five episodes and if it's 10, it feels like quote-unquote something, but we don't get to double the just a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, do you think it really suffering?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think the problem that you were talking about actually as well, the fact that we have such a huge history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, that's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like but maybe because I'm a fan of this world that I feel like it's so fun you have so much that I don't know why you don't want to give the space to tell these stories or to explore some of these themes and like a singular storyline and I don't know something about yeah the pacing of the season doubled on with all this sort of extra sort of story lines that all of a sudden are mashed and like I was only wearing x corp now we're jumping ahead in the episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but like, we're at X Corp, and then we had X-Factor, and now we have the accolites, and we have all these things happening, and like we're losing a bit of the stories that led to these characters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cause even like you mentioned what young justice, every episode or every season rather, got like at least 20 something episodes in each season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that gave you time to not only introduce main concepts, these big concepts, and these season long arcs, but also have individual episodes that eventually will pay off for these season long arcs,
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[SPEAKER_02]: have character moments, because like you mentioned, they're introducing all these characters, but then we see them, but we don't really get to attach to them or get to know these characters, so you know them from the comics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh cool, frenzy, but then you're never going to see frenzy again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One thing about this show, this season in particular, I feel like they're introducing a lot of mutants and they're killing them off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know we're talking about episode five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've stick with episode five, but maggot was introduced in this episode and got killed off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It sucks because yeah, you might ask the casual X-Men fan, who is maggot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I got to know the fuck maggot is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's one of the rare black mutants in comics, and the fact that he got killed off, and he was killed off through a genetic experimentation, which then calls back to the Tuskegee experimentation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like like y'all can do something else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or magic in episode seven, like they killed her all for like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So many people that they just keep killing off randomly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're saying like people don't know who the fuck this is, but people don't know who the fuck more was last season as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they built him up and they created this character on the storyline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the question that I always also go down to is like when we shrink these stories who ends up getting generative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we end up getting, we're having like Polaris stepping up in front and center.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great for Polaris and all that, but then we end up in a situation where Storm had one moment episode one and now she's just in the mansion working on her beehive and she looks great, but we're not getting anything else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're not getting a lot from Bishop who's like such an active player, but we're not actually getting much of a storyline of his interiority.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like the black people, the visible mutants, it's like the queer ones end up getting the short shift.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And instead we get,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jean Logan and Scott pushed up front and set her and Polaris now and it's like their narratives again That's fine, but it always it feels bad when we're watching a story about the minority experience and it even then like I would say Cyclops and Jean I've taken a back seat This is outside of like the what was it the first a second episode where they went to the what they were in the future
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they've essentially been MIA, like we're, again, we're talking about Abosophob, but we're at episode 7 currently, we haven't seen Scott Jean Storm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just because, yeah, I think what a noise be about that is that like we know it's going to circle back to them because we know Apocalypse is coming back towards the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to get the narrative again, and that's why I'm like, okay, they're went away, but we know they're coming back storm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what she's going to do because she's not central the storyline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ashley, we're going to say something about what was them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I
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[SPEAKER_04]: the thing that you said made me slightly disagree with the point because I think more if we're talking about like episode five more this one of the people who has had a bit of a drip feed because it while you were talking I totally agree with you I think we move so fast that one of the things sometimes you can sacrifice because you talked about the young justice is that slow burn the thing that was good that I really liked about young justice is a theme would build consecutively for four
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know, because you watched it brew, you watched it change, and I feel like we're moving at such a pace, then you almost end up very one note, you end up at one speed, everything's happening super fast and more is one of the people and his little thing with Wolverine, I think that's had the most consistent drops throughout the whole season because that was even in season one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So this this thing has been recurring and you're right, Storm I think has got on the short shift definitely But the time when she does show up this of hyping her connection and relationship with forge Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The storm and forge thing comes back quite a few times and the more for more marine thing comes back So given that we have seen this a couple of times do you lock think that this feels more earned for you because it's been building or not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say yes and no, because I still don't really know what story they're trying to tell with more than Wolverine, are they still, are they saying that they're going to be a couple?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they saying that Wolverine also maybe harbor some level of feelings for more of two?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or are they just going to say, oh, this is just a queer character that is planning for a straight guy, it's never going to give reciprocated because we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because they keep playing fast and loose or Wolverine all the time, even in the comics, like one moment they're teasing that Wolverine is in a thrupper with Jean Cyclops and him and they even tease that's not just them messing with Jean and sharing Jean, but they tease that Wolverine is Cyclops and messing around, but then they're like, oh no, no, no, it's not happening, they try to then they what the next moment they try to erase it and oh no, it's not happening, it's never happened, it's not here, ignore what you saw, yada yada yada, and so I'm like, I don't really know what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because a lot of times, you also have the trope of the sexless gay trope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's like, yeah, you get your queer representation with morph, but he's never gonna have a loving interest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one loves him in return.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no one loves him in return.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You always just they're begging.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's like a very specific moment in this episode that we're talking about, that like really pissed me off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When it was doing that like that scene when he was like switching out from Cyclops, then he had to become Jean to snap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: will read into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with what Michael is saying and that like we don't actually know where it's going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the moment we're just like in the land of subtext, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of these things as well are like that we, I think, as three queer black people can see the stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can see, okay, this is like a DL thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can see the metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can see the way this can be applied to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The show is giving crumbs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that really frustrates me about it is that I distrust that the show
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like exactly what you're talking about, Michael, that what happened with the throttle is going to happen again, whether it's going to be like, here's a little bit but we're just going to step back from it because ultimately we can't have the Wolverine brand be bisexual, even though it makes sense and it works with the character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The question that I ended up walking away from this episode is thinking, is it okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do I feel about subtext?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think such a big thing with the X-Men, a lot of the stuff that is manifesting now that has manifested in the last few years of the character, really
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, now I'm just like, is that still useful to be doing now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do we need more like over stuff that's a story get better or worse?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do we lose something from the X-Men?
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[SPEAKER_03]: All I know is that like it leaves me feeling a bit like me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at the point where I'm I hate subtext.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want fucking text.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And especially when you look at it from the standpoint of less to be perfectly honest, especially being the person that has made his face content and makes videos on a daily basis and have sometimes dealt with a lot of different comments from a lot of different people to be perfectly blown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People are fucking stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a critical think media literacy is down the toilet learning the literacy literary crisis at least here in America I'm not sure what's going on in the UK Critical thinking is in the trash so in a lot of ways it's to the point it's if a character doesn't explicitly say it people don't know what subtext is So you could see us you could see something that subtext and something that could be completely obvious to me and you But that's somebody's like oh, no you're reading too much into it The character doesn't feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like what showed did you watch?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I was live reviewing one of the episodes and somebody, because I was talking about I was like for a gay show there's not a lot of gay sex in this show like the only scenes we keep seeing on the Incess scenes between let's stat in his mother School for the vampire to staff for people that I haven't seen it
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[SPEAKER_02]: But somebody said in my comments of what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a gay show And I'm like what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a gay show like his main love interest is I'm not their man like yeah, they like yeah, but instead also sleeps a woman It's like okay, yes, let's add his bisexual
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[SPEAKER_02]: His OTP is one true love is one true partner is Louie another man like they are the shit They are the the thing that keeps the show going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a gay show So again go back to people not being stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you gotta be told everything and so like it gives straight people A sense of like cognitive dissonance where they could like if it's not sad they could choose the ignore it coverage it's coverage it feels intentional to me and that is what pisses me off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it is intentional
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I think it will be, it will be strongest in this type of show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In this type of show where they are specifically building it, so that the most amount of people can get there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that moment, it's meant to be a pocket if people's childhoods.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like we're cramming in all these different generations of mutant, so that everyone can go,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I like Academy X. I like him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, is that a bit where he rips up?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He takes the metal off his skill and I know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, look, he's just the rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't part of 97 gay shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I feel like if we're doing a, like, a nostalgia show that is meant to appeal to a broader audience at a time when gay shit really wasn't happening generally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not surprised by that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think your right is that plausible deniability thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do just enough that it hints at it, but never enough that it can be a topic of conversation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that keeps people like us, see in things and scrapping in the streets with magpies and things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think you're losing me with this metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just said, what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Explained magpies Those are two birds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like okay keep it back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's up?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're saying it was a little bit That help you Michael cuz it didn't help you I'm not crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay go at it I've had fun
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good luck, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, this is that sort of show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It keeps us fighting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see how you can read something, how you can't read something phallic in Wolverine sitting there and popping his claws and looking at more in the reflection of his claws as more pines for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When this episode first aired, Ashley and I talked about it very briefly for five minutes, and the thing that we talked about was that was like our different views about Ashley was just like, oh, this is a more yearning for Wolverine, and I was just like, oh, I understood it as more fucking Wolverine been realizing that Wolverine is DL and we'll never give him what he wants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What I'm curious about is, how did you read it Michael?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I completely agree with that, because I said this even a season one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Morph and Wolverine, I'll fucking you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what anybody says.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if they're showrunner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if they had a Marvel television, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the bomb comes out and there's no Wolverine and straight fuck you, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the bomb is not true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you think about that scene, and I don't remember what episode it was, but when sent us to the goblin queen episode, we're Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: came and they did the inferno thing and season one and she found out that she was a clone and there was a moment that Morph saw or what he thought was Wolverine in the shower and Morph was just like do you need help reach a no salt hard to reach places or whatever he popped his claws and walked in on Wolverine in the shower if they weren't having sex
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would Morphill comfortable enough to walk in on Logan in the shower like that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like he paused or like, oh, it was a joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he literally walked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Continue to walk in on that man in the shower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if Wolverine wasn't for it, are you saying basically Morph is a sexual sexual predator?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's essentially what that would have been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they didn't have any type of preconceived consent before that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I feel like just like there's been enough established stuff, especially in the history of and their history and their interaction in the show where it feels like there is something going on, which is why I think that seemed that I was talking about earlier really annoyed me because it felt like it was our game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, the one true pairing is him and Jean, whether the show goes that way or not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's his love, love of his life and morph is the thing of the side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the divergence of our view, just to go back to this idea of the subtext conversation we were talking about is what I was like, I feel like we were all talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that all of this is happening intentionally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not defined, it's not definitional and to me, that's as a queer viewer as a black guy watching this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, yeah, that just fucks me off a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's implied, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And to Michael's point, your meant to be inconclusive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it queer person is meant to just get enough of a crumb that you could assume plausibly that it was happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think I'm with, I think I'm with Michael on that, I think there needs to be text.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because there's text everywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jubilee and Sonsport are having a whirlwind romance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Polaris is falling on Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She sneezes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's on them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Chip!
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then there she goes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh no!
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look!
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard of you again!
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do it too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would do it too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be like, oh no, my powers are like lacking now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, just I'm a jump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, you're falling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, let me hug you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a star.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sister, I pulled that move.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're jumping ahead too much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I realize now that we're talking for about 20 minutes and we have yet to actually do the recap into the recap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Michael, if you would please give us a quick recap of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically the episode picks up a little after the last episode and they were Wolverines trying to get his claws back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to get his adamant him claws back, but the rest of the people don't know that so he makes up some elaborate lie that weapon X is experimented on people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he gets his band of former weapon X, protegeys together and morphed his eyes to tag along and they run into an alien species called the brood and chaos ensues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I just want to shout out a few of the characters there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we have Lady Death Strike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have Cain, Maverick, Saber Tooth, are part of the crew that they've compiled to go and get.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I forget the doctor's name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Does it matter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like the character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Doctor Evil, weapon X guy, and that was the recap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Saber 2 sits in that play with that man spread four ball joint display.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We must dissect this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do we feel about Saber 2 showing off his meat?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just run with the assumption and lean into it and say that morph and Wolverine are fucking right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The messiness of pulling all your jump offs into one plane.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wolverine said if you know what my undercarriage smells like I need you on the mission I need you Wolverine said thumb-a-dom thumb-a-dom He said I want these bitches fighting off me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you hear it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you hear it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Get it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Consider how much of a hatred Wolverine is safer to have for each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm no safer to smell the sex that was happening between morph and Wolverine So he was trying to make not because he actually wanted not because he actually wanted more But he wants to take everything from Wolverine They haven't sitting on the plane like for meat hanging out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like he was doing that for morph He was doing that for more and lady stuff strike two points in the show I totally agree with you and the bit I thought there was most textual was save a tooth going I'll take care of you
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look, he ain't doing it right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is very toxic, ex-boyfriend, who's just trying to fuck up the relationship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's very good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How'd you like close in here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like, you into cheating?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We could do that, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And granted, Saber 2 is a serial killer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it more, but I'll say at the same time, do it more, like, Wolverine is a serial killer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not killing baby, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Saber 2, I'm not on the level of Sab
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's killing bad people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's killing bad people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Saber truth is killing everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Saber truth is a psychopath and the rapist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just irredeable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But here, I think you do know what the other thing you just may be realized as well is that the relationship between
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[SPEAKER_04]: morph and Wolverine is inferential.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do not mean they allude to it a lot by where they are together, him walking into the shower, the familiarity that they have, the yearning, like having him sitting by his bed, waiting for him to get up, the way that morph switches himself and disguises himself as people that he knows Wolverine loves more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All of that speaks to like this love and yearning
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[SPEAKER_04]: is text.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That isn't subtext.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How do you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: When sober tooth leans in and goes, oh, so you would, as it is little pet, you basically would use big.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what you was big, and it's that's the bit that I think I said, I said, I take a step towards what you were saying before, where if the bond is alluded to, don't make the criticism and the shame for that bond, louder than the bond itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you can be taking the piss off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know that's how
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[SPEAKER_04]: it works, because how homophobia does work, you don't need to be shagging a man, to be receiving bullshit for your closeness, but it does leave you not getting the good thing and getting a bit of the bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to speak up from my good sis Yuriko who was not homophobic, her issue was that you're fucking this man, not a man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lady Death Strike was like him, girl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not some mistake.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she clocked that tea like almost immediately and not to jump ahead, but I know you mentioned something like the blackest part of the episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the blackest part of the episode, like Molly, you and Danger girl.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited to get to the to the category is a bit later that how do you guys feel about a weapon story let's go there actually you want to start us off how do you feel about a weapon that grown maybe going on internal I don't care about not these people I don't care about not these people I don't care I don't care okay they they put the metal in all of you we know we know
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[SPEAKER_04]: Guys, you need to stop having reunions by somebody needs to find none of you got PlayStation Now you've got mobile phone you got games on your phone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you all still here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He should not be able to ring you and gather this group nobody here fucks with him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that's like you and your eight worst colleagues?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like Ty's gone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you want to hang out with these people?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Go home!
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know sometimes when you listen to an album, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And all of this has decided on a sound.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you can see that for the 12 tracks, they've been trying to make one song.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's one song where it's like, that's it, you nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the sound.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then every other song is just less.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just not as good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're saying that they're just trying to recreate something that isn't quite clicken.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I...
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me personally it's more I don't care to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is boy comics, which is my consistent critiques when it gets a bit like I think it gets a bit like the boys are here and we're here to fuck shit up and explosions I'm just like one thing about this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really found myself surprised by how much I enjoyed this episode because I was like the minute you make boy comics Also gay you get me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm intrigued when when you sprinkle a bit of homosexuality
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like this episode, but the way I feel is just, I feel like there was no stakes, it came too soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no weight to this episode, there was no emotional payoff, no arc to this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wolverine just lost his claws, like only a couple episodes ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't get to see him sit with
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[SPEAKER_02]: And living the fact that he doesn't have an adamantium skeleton and what that potentially might mean for him as a fighter or whatever Because in the comics when he lost his adamantium skeleton, he started to become more ferro more animalistic and less human There were consequences to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not really seeing any consequences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just oh, I want my claws back because just cuz and it's a
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like this pay off like have that big moment and the Fidalee would magnet or ripped his claws out I wanted to be like what just gonna give it right back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, it's a cool episode fighting the brood the fight see now You got his claws, but it's but I don't care cuz why did it matter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why did it matter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah So it's like the episode that's how I feel about this the season overall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are good episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're just rushing through stuff
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the show is now we were two seasons in and like we're halfway through the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like I find that a lot of it seems to be about the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about it's like a feet show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it's about getting that gift that clip for people to go on social media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like the most significant thing that can happen in the show, thus far that has happened is the death of characters, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've killed off Magneto, they've killed off Gambit and like we know what death
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[SPEAKER_03]: is in the X-Men story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So to me, as someone who's really deep into the lore, that doesn't feel significant enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm kind of just feeling like, okay, where's the meat in the story?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, we end up missing, is that because of these massive, just the accelerated timeline of these stories we end up missing the meat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, we just have a bit of a PowerPoint of jubilee's fireworks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, it's like X men in bullet points.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sameor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wolverine gets his adamantium taken out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wolverine gets it back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The brood arrive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They get taken to the past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Apocalypse becomes apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It feels like there's these big temple things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to your Michael's point, we're not seeing what happens in between those big moments well enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're coming like, they're currently like 20 plus
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so you're just like, whoa, yeah, that happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was a big moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we rushed you to the next one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but actually, you get diminishing returns on it because after a while, you're just like, okay, like magic turns.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, that's the wrong episode, don't I?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Talk a little about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why did you do any of that stuff for?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she passed away.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, you mean there's people 25 meters and they died.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I Said, okay, let's take me out of that moment is that she just how she slowly turned and she was just like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can do that in 10 different things in there sister To be fair that was from Colossus is perspective So we don't know how long it actually took but the fact that magic and I've read I had a whole rant about I'm like the fact that magic has her soul sword.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That means the whole thing to limbo all of that stuff is gone through She's already sorceress supreme more than likely
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody reminded me that Morph turned into dark child in season one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that means she has her dark child for She could have took out that fucking sense of no buy herself the fact that they killed her off and magic is not a small character No, that's a big character that they just randomly killed all and I saw something who said She's gonna probably come back in episode eight nine as a horse one of Apocalypse again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the entire season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No magic is dead
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just so you know, just so you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know that the season four is being worked on right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Season three, I don't know if that's in the counter, not, but we know that a lot of work is done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picked this as season three is done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's coming, that's scheduled to come next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What scares me is that, so for doing all these moments really quickly, we're gonna run out of stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna run out of shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, we have a big history of X-Men, but if you're doing Madeline Pryors and Furno Ark in one episode, if you're doing Wolverine, losing his out of Matthew and getting it back with him this space of two episodes,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then what are all the big ex moments that we're gonna have left?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are we gonna do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like when it comes to season five I really do worry about that nothing especially considering he said Brad Winderbaum said I want this show to go at least ten seasons Could you imagine what the tenth season is going to be?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's gonna be like 10 seasons worth of stuff because you're all of just Russian give us more I'm telling you right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do not care about X-Men 2019.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I see those bastards I don't give a fuck death to all of them
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the best thing they ever did with 2019 is that movie when he popped up with that movie I was like, hey, great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'll always wonder because I'm like these characters are fit there immortal more or less What's gonna happen when we actually get to 2019?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they gonna still?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Peter Parker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, are they gonna just be like here's these characters actually on that point So far we've been in 97 forever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think the show will ever advance in time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with you Ashley.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll ever be 98.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we need to get an X-Men 2001.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move the story a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it would just be an amalgam forever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It would just be an amalgamation of different things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that does work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think it's a really good question where you're like, are we going to run out of stories?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think what puts urgency on that is they have dated the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It isn't just like a backlog of all of X-Men history, which gives you everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a particular error of X-Men that is meant to be nostalgic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you run out of nostalgia way quicker than you run out of stories.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The stories that are going to
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, I recognize that from the past itch in the same way, do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you see that as like turning into a problem for them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that's also kind of why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As much as I love X-Men 97, I'm glad that we're seeing the X-Men back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When it was first announced that they were doing an X-Men 97, I was slightly a little disappointed because I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: As much as I love the 90s version of the X-Men, I don't want to go back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want an updated version of the X-Men to be perfectly honest, so this is blasphemy to a lot of people when I hear them say, I'm like, I loved Wolverine the X-Men more than I like the 90s X-Men cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That gave me a...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was better and not it was way more comic accurate is way more adult.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They went through way more different story lines in moments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Wolverine being the leader of the x fan and digs like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but in terms of the story line, it was deeper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more not grounded, but it was way more and it's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the stories just felt better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're trying to do that in this, but they're still having to stay in that 90s timeline, like mentioned, because we're in the 90s, there weren't really any openly gay characters in the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to have have that be a thing, but but then they're also trying to have their cake you need to do, because the character like Quentin choir, kiddo mega.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't in 90s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So his character didn't get introduced to the 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're having the grant Morrison suit and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was X man 2003 or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like they're trying to have their cake in either two with these 90s storylines, 90s aesthetic, but given us 2000s and beyond also storyline to those rumors that they want to eventually get to Crocodile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's, so this might be a bit of a weird like that I'm making.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you two seen Supergirl?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I didn't I thought it was a bit of a nothing movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't hate it the way some people seem to and I didn't I didn't like it the way not many people seem to but my issue really with it the thing that really fucked me off with supergirl is that I feel like this movie was made without any level of care.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there was like, oh, we have this story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to try to put it together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's an element of X-Men 97 that makes me feel like I don't know whether it's made with, I know they care, but I feel like they care because they know it's a big property.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm worried about the idea of if you're going to just throw in Quentin choir in there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like, oh, you don't actually deeply care about the X-Men in a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's a level of care that's sometimes lacking that we can see pop up in these kind of situations.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because then also are you gonna do anything with these characters or you just throwing them in there Just because hey guys, here's Quinn choir here's sync here's nature girl here's frenzy here's temp I think it's for the casual I think it is meant to excite a casual fan You know what I mean you watch the episodes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no real depth There's nothing everything is totally you can walk in off the street knowing nothing about these characters Pick them out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know you and you walk away feeling great
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the stories that you weren't really interested in aren't getting explored to when he ripped it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when it's just, it's a little about a lot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the show is like, you get a little about a lot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And for us, when we like a lot, we like to get deep into the stories.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, I recognize that person and I love the arc they were on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the journey that they took.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the things that they learned and I'd love to see them more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We want to go vertical in the story when the show is going horizontal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think for someone who's very casual in it, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You dip in six mutants that you like and you go home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say though that like I think so far we might have just been like, I don't know, there's like a tone of us being negative because we do have frustrations with the shows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That said, I really did like this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was really weird about by like give the way that a lot of people reviewed it quite low like the official review website seemed to like not favorite this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did find it interesting that was like, oh, the gayest episode of expedites seven so far is the one that seems to hanker you and give your problems interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you all feel about it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like this episode actually did you enjoy me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was saying earlier about this show in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like every episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it feels rushed and it feels like but the episode itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a cool episode I did the one my biggest thing is I didn't like what they that they're unceremoniously just killed magic Magnet yeah all like that, but yeah, you know that was like how'd you feel about the death of maga?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I need to I need to say we're toothed Wolverine and morphed to have a three-sum, but it's tough trying to make Saber teeth happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a mean map That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just dry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You could be me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for one night the issue with saber to those that why night stand will end in your death the thing will be good for a while and then it will get really bad more of the shapeshift more of the shapeshifter he has a hairline factor now you think played Ed yeah no it's a good episode it's a good I'm
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't I just I could have done without the brood.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you not like the brood you all of us have things in comics that we just never really got into Do you know I mean I can't age.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't care like I get it tendrils come out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know you fucked up this scary Okay, I can take all these carnage cable to hit the greed can sit down if you like I'm also the brood.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a million of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_04]: And are they dangerous or are they not?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because sometimes, like, oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you're just killing 800 of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you want to know, are you stressed?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I just want to see the queen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Generee, they show you the queen for five seconds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, that's who the story should be about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, the idea of like all of your beast steel mutants going on a bit of a rampage was cool, I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I felt a pethos there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I felt for more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel for that egg shape man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're out there, that man's out there go you're out there looking like a fool every six days I'm not exactly how that feels to stop stand up every time we were out Followed that, it was good, it was good Before I will move us to get your ratings I wanted to know because I think you gave us a good question there Ashley Michael I want to know your comic X what is the thing that you're just like I don't care about this I don't give a fuck what is your I don't give a fuck about you It all the comics could be DC or Marvel just give you a few
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what that tongue do or nothing at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shut up!
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had it, and I'm so good at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I find generally the cosmic stuff in Marvel to kind of loses me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we go into space and there's just gets a bit whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, the thing though, I always seem to like the brood though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, because it's just basically we're going to do alien for a couple of issues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That I'm always just gay, fun, let's see storm, stop the sky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see Kitty being annoying and getting rightfully bullied, earning her place at the X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, Kitty's, I always like food stories for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they're simple, they always do the job, and also they allow for something that I think that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The X-Men doesn't really do too often, but when they do, kind of big weight is always bad, but in a small scene like the whole Traders, there's a wolf-phobongus that was playing in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always enjoy that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always enjoy, and I felt like the transformation sequence for Wolverine, being turned like this in our late-team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that looked really cool this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they really fucking killed it with those fight sequences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got not it hit me now like what's my I don't because I know I got a couple but like going stick stick it with the X man I'm tired of them going back to the fucking school like yeah Being students and going back to the man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a fuck about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they ended the fact that they ended Cricula wait like Cricula should still be going on to this day
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of like them always going back to the status quo Peter Parker always having the fucking be broke And not be with Mary Jane and I get married and get like I'm I'm give a fuck about Peter Parker I'm like at this point he shouldn't be struggling any more damn there every he knows every fucking rich person on the planet They keep playing with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They talk either
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Stark can't get you a job to tell a can't get you a piece of vibranium to get you like a me a million and I'm trying to keep Peter Parker as this relatable cat it's like it doesn't make sense anymore let that be miles like if you broke off the 24 years it's something about you yeah you're the problem if you got that many connections you know what other things that I do I like a bunker story the thing I liked most yeah is how the fuck do we get out of this
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's, yes, this is my problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing that I loved about it is that I thought with this weapon X episode, we were going to see weapon X.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the reason, firstly, I'm just very neutral on the brood.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do I hate the brood?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do I cheer when they arrive?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here they were going down and I was like, wow, okay, we're going to see experimentation, we're going to see what happens when they try to change mutants into weapons.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then we just
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where was the weapon action?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was no weapon x.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where was the weapon action?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were, they were the weapon x, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know, they just felt like a bait in the switch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, no, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to see it because everyone on that team was a different iteration of that weapon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and I thought we were going to get a bit more of that, and but I do love it when people run down in a bomb cut.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I fucking love that shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I have the complete opposite reaction to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, those nicknip bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to make it with life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't make any sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it is!
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see anybody in a bathtub with tubes coming out of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then in walks of Megarin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You stupid zombie-ass bitch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go away!
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want you Russian Hussein.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get out!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me ask you a question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me just want to ask you a question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've seen loads of different types of people with protruding things that come out of their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why is it that Omega Reds feels gross?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I think it's because it's almost the same color as his skin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, so it feels like it's his skin coming out of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like the fact that he just has metal tubes coming out of him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why are they metal?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just something about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just feels nasty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Wolverine's claws.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wolverine's claws are metal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I hate that too, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But also, the Wolverine's claws are hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No pun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not swirling around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, the swirl around is the weird aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're serious saying you like it hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all bit of cut print that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hear me?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, it's the sorely aspect, I think, but it's funnily enough because Darkhawk, in Spider-Man, he has a, yeah, the backpack, that doesn't freak me out as much And you know what, it's because they don't go inside his body Mmm, don't talk songs or always outside Yeah, feels like it, that feels like an appendix His thing, like, slither's in from that Like, I feel like you could get STD from that Like, I've, it comes out and if it wraps around, every time it wraps around someone I go Oh, no!
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, like, yes
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[SPEAKER_03]: Omega Red is basically an HIV-8 metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, I have to say, or you might have a good time with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, hey, nothing against that, you just mean to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's just that he's like, wiggling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's just, it's really, really wiggling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It keeps moving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people are into like, like, the octopus anime or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's fine for y'all just don't involve me don't involve me in the group chat I didn't I don't want to see them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh mega.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh mega red might be doing it for a lot of people Maybe you know what and like I said I can only speak for me if you like it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good luck everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but for me, I would have to take to start a large step back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think if I sort of it I think no red and pride.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No omega red at pride.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's my argument.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No king or omega red at pride and I'll just consofar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm bringing my kids to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_03]: But moving up a log, I want to get our ratings for this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Ashley, can you give me out of a scale of 97?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're rating for this episode, weapons, X lies and DVDs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, overall, great episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the sharpest writing, I think, that one of the episodes where I've laughed, probably genuinely at things that were happening, great action scenes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've talked a lot about the pacing, but I think this episode, the pace makes sense, like it feels claustrophobic, it feels fast, it feels right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think with the part from the brood, I would give this like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, I think that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about you, Michael?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you give me out of a rating of 97?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're rating for this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This episode was fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice stand-alone episode and a lot of cool moments A lot of cool fight sequences and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't gay enough for me fair and also feel like The moment like I met you earlier the moment of having Wolverine get his claws back so soon The payoff just was it's the fussy like oh I'm back baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't fill the payoff
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say overall for me and then it also makes me wonder are we gonna get any of these moments coming back Because the whole speech that happened with Logan and more like it's just sad You all you see yourself as not with the car like all of that stuff like when do we have time for that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Consider everything that's happening so I'm like for me I would give this episode maybe like a 75
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[SPEAKER_03]: 75 fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think on my end, I am very closer to Michael.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would give it a 78.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what I had written down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also agree that the stand-alone nature of it is really fun because I think it works with the show really well doing these kind of small isolated stories, especially with, like you were saying, Ashley, the fast-pacedness of it all works with this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because we're just an isolated thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have, we didn't talk about this too much, but I mentioned it earlier in the episode, the scene with more where he was like cyclops than turned into Jean to try and snap him back into himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That kind of pissed me off, because I feel like the argument that it makes about it, just made it, just made me feel it key about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think to go back to our idea, but we're operating in subtext just overall,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just yeah, I left about tasted by mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's why it also shits on the friendship of more from Wolverine It took him turned into Jean Because now, but it's this the same man that you'd wish your life to save in the original 90s cartoon It's supposed to be your best supposed to be your best friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You brought him on this mission.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't bring Jean on this mission.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You brought him
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they had to do that, I don't know, it was just, yeah, it's just annoying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it would have made also, like Ashley, you were saying, and also Michael, you were saying, like the writing of this episode is very solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It works.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It has a lot of depth, but I think that choice knocks it down, because if they made a different choice, I think this would have been like a near perfect episode for me, because I think it would have really worked with the theme a lot more, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was a ratings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll move us down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I noticed that we are edging up to an hour, which means that it is time for us to go to the final segment of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the very start, Michael, I asked you to please prepare a small sentence or a paragraph to a set list of categories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to go in order beginning with the blackest moment of the episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: going to start with Ashley.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you some time to think about this one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ashley, can you give me your blackest moments of this episode when the airlock doors closed and all then brewed turned up at the other side of the door and all of those trained killer healing factor mutants when get somebody else to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They turn around and walk through the other direction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, yes, love love that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Michael, can you give me your blackest moment
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like what I mentioned earlier about Lady Deathstrike basically clocking morphs T, like the black auntie that's like, oh wait, oh nah, I see with I see y'all take y'all full of, I know what this is and I'm gonna tell you you need to leave him alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he might be cute, but that that decade I'll get you bust so far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She cut him a quick side eye and she was just like, look here morph, just woman to woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: May I speak to Barbara?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she didn't even she did even the actual on eating of telling you a long-winded story that is quite related she was like So back in the day, I used to know girls just like you
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's dead now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, for my end, I am going to give my blackest moments of the episode to the premise of how Logan got his group back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think, that's funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought about it as soon as I realized what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, we're having a little Angela Bassett moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you find yourself a nice tight man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he broke his heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not man, thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A nice tight day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he broke his heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So moving along can you Michael give me your queerest moments of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quarce moment of the episode is Saber Tooth and that full man spread with the meat package hanging out and then the thigh rub.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this episode was like Saber Tooth is kind of toxic, but he turned to me on a little bit thought he said,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do do do do do let's get him girls
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to candy, I hope she's having a good day All right, Ashley, can you give me your Christmas a bit of this at the start?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna double down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is everything say but two fifth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, say, but more everything say but two fifth The show one is you to look at Wolverine and Sabotooth was in the background posting poppin up pussy in a handstand every scene
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[SPEAKER_04]: The tattoo was a mess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a mess again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, right, the text with weird tape to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, hey, you want me to throw that, I guess, won't buzz open.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, hey, you seen this light crock?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know where he was talking about the technology?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he got that one long figure nail.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, you have to learn how to use tape, I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, bitch, you don't have to do that with the end of the figure nail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He pulled his hair into a little pony tail and he said, break up with your boyfriend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm bored.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what he said.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, yeah, he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I could do you better than Wolverine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Steven, we are stupid people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I will give, actually this is a full hat trick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're getting three Saber Toots, but I do have a specific moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it is when Saber Toots said, I stopped counting my age at 100.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 200, 200.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all know a queer with a fucked up fixation with his, with his age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, moving along.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you, Michael, can you give me your winner of the episode?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say winner of the episode is Lady Duff Strike, same or more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She ran through all of them, except for Morph, but she ran through all of them on this team and she got away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's able to be looking at them and be like, yeah, I'm glad I got out of this shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is not my narrative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not in the story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here for this one time, but y'all, that's y'all, that's a y'all problem over there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How about you, Ashley?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to give me a hug?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's yours?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, we're breaking protocol.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I go last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, my winner of the episode, I think I'm going to give it to Canada, the most evil country in all of Marvel, who keeps making these weapon X programs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And why is no one stopping them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll feel like, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're just they're making the kukus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We saw the kukus, so they're still operational.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's good for Canada.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the winner of this episode actually is Wolverine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Say more because that is a messy bitch who lives for drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a whole heap of people that are whole heap of people that are dead.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you didn't do it for no reason other than you wanted a new set.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was on that plane.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Could you imagine after he used everybody in this life or death mission?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you were the problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the reasons, one of the muters that they brought with them died.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the thing is, you were the problem!
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[SPEAKER_04]: You caused this thing and then you turned into a rude and you started stepping up people in the evening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's, you know that film that friend invites you out, gets messy drunk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to look after them all evening and the next day the latter has such a good time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is what we've read.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To pop the claws at the end would be a piss state for me, actually.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would have thrown you out of the plane because what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're looking at them now, fuck off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're taking a piss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he did win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He won.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He won.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got that set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got that hairdo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said new set new hairdo moving us along to the final category.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You Ashley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because you made me go last first or second last time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is your punishment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you actually give me your loser of the episode?
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[SPEAKER_04]: lady death strike.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because she had more sense than everybody and was still there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really frustrating to watch someone go this is a fuckery and it's a fuckery and she goes you definitely shouldn't be trying to sleep with him and she's right and she goes we need to go downstairs and she's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's a push him in the fucking thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one was fucking listening to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was there for the drama, but she's a drama queen Yes, she was she's there for the gossip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's there for tea.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but the the one person who I imagine the next day is just I knew better than that shit
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is actually a strike it up for my life for that reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She put up with my good bob for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I put on the bob, I showed up here, I tried my best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, hey, I thought I might catch some dick this time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know I was going to be in a room full of gays, stop and insects.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here to exterminate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was on twig duty.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was on bug duty.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was on game in the tube duty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I had to go to my high school reunion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna fuck, I wish she'd have said that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish she stayed outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish she'd have stayed outside.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was like, y'all did this stretch, stretched off one big long finger was like, I'm gonna fuck her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You should get ex-man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael, could you please give me your loser of the episode?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say the obvious loser is Kane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not really died in the beginning of the episode, didn't even get to make it, didn't get to see the drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And not because they discussed one so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not because they didn't pour, they didn't pour one out for the homey or nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, 40k.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's give him a quick one minute now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do we feel about Kane?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The spirits in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anything?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or that's why that's why he's the loser of the episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maverick out sold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maverick is not doing it in the slot of flop bullship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maverick wasn't a copacrecerly and Kane remains on that tree stump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sad, which is why Maverick and Kurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maverick is that girl compared to Kane?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is that girl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said, booked, busy club, another club.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And meanwhile,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that pretty much brings us to the end, is there any last things that you want to say, Michael?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just this for storm just this for storm actually like where is storm the people have the exact demand that I've got been given a chance to do a storm impression except for once this season the people have been craving it the people have been demanding it and here we are once again another episode without a storm moment and I just need that to be justified or else and you want to tie yourself and you want to say Ashley me don't go down to the people's basement
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's all of us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was lovely to see you again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was lovely to meet you, Michael.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for coming and spending the time with us today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for having me on any time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anytime, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm for anyone who's been listening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a pleasure to see you too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we will see you next time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was the episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening and apologies for the delay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Be nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And goodbye.