Tim Pendergrass: Following Where God Leads | Faith, Purpose & Taking the Leap

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Hey everybody.
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How's everybody doing today?
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George?
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Hey.
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I'm doing good.
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I'm doing good.
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Good.
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I got good.
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Georgia waited, eh?
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Yeah, George the Sixth, really, isn't she?
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She would be George the Sixth, right?
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Sure.
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Yeah, she is, sort of.
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You'd like her to be.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean, Georgia the sixth.
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Georgia won George the Sixth.
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Okay.
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We have a special guest today.
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So I'll just shut up with dumb jokes.
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We have a special guest today, Tim Pendergrass.
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And Tim Pendergrass is a physical therapist, and he is in here in Lubbock, Texas.
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And he also is the owner of Fourth Corner Physical Concepts.
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And he can probably tell us more about uh physical therapy concepts.
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And he can probably tell us more about that later and give us more information.
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But he's going to be our special guest today.
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I will say he uh does a great job.
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He's worked on me, he's worked on uh my wife Jennifer, he's worked on Alex, he's patched us up, he's gotten us into good shape, and he's very knowledgeable and he's all around, just great guy.
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So, Tim, we're glad to have you here today.
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Well, thank you.
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Thanks for letting me come on.
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Uh hopefully I'll I'll do you proud.
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Yeah, yeah, okay.
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Sounds good.
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First podcast.
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So we're we've got to make it nimble for you, right?
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Okay.
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Yeah, okay.
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We gotta make it good and frightened.
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So Tim.
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Yeah.
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So Tim, just start off.
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Tell us uh a little bit.
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You're did you grow up in Lubbock or did you grow up in other towns?
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No, I I I grew up in Amazon and then actually moved to Edmund, Oklahoma and graduated high school from Edmund, Oklahoma.
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Um, and so you know I've kind of been around, but then we moved back to Aaron, so I've kind of been around the area.
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But um, we I was here in um 2000 to 2002, and then my wife and I moved back to Amarillo and I went to physical therapy school through the Texas Tech program, and they happened to have a campus in Amarillo that I attended.
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So Okay.
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All right.
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So what got your in interest in that?
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What got your interest peaked in that?
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Uh into physical therapy?
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Yeah.
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Uh, you know, I I always loved the human body.
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I had been a personal trainer for, I don't know, nine, ten years.
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Um, and you know, I always would run into people that had injury and always run into people that had things going on.
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Um, I always felt uncomfortable with that.
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I always knew my boundaries and I always knew that I wasn't qualified to work with folks like that.
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Um, my last personal training job was at the Finlay Ewing Cardiovascular and Fitness Center in Dallas, Texas.
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Um, and I had the opportunity to work alongside another physical therapist there.
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Um, and and Barbara kind of helped me because I started seeing clients that were um they had gone through physical therapy, but their insurance cut them off.
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And so they were nowhere near ready to be done.
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I mean, we're talking to people that had like one gentleman had a nicked spinal cord, and he just had all kinds of stuff that he needed to work on, but his insurance had already cut him off.
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Um, and so they had him come in and I began to work with him.
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And again, whether I was qualified or not, Barbara took me under her wing and started helping me learn the process.
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And I started a special uh program there at the Finlay Ewing Cardiovascular Fitness Center working with folks that were post-rehab kind of personal training.
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Um, and so that kind of sparked my interest, and but I never had the confidence to go into the process.
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Um, you know, I didn't my grades, I don't know.
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I mean, I just didn't have the confidence.
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Um, I went on a mission trip that summer of 2000 in Monrovia, Liberia, uh, in Africa.
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And um I got an opportunity to go around and look at several of the physical therapy clinics that they had there.
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Um, well, that's what they called them.
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Uh, but the the one that stuck out in my mind was it was called Our Lady of Fatima Rehab Center.
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Um, and this was a place where uh Sister Beltran had gone through and started picking up persons with disability on the side of the road.
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So in that part of the world, disability was seen as a curse from on your family.
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And so they would just drop their children with disabilities on the side of the road.
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Well, Sister Beltran began to go pick up these children, and before long, she had over 300 kids.
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And so she didn't know.
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I mean, she began to talk to the Catholic Church and began to bring um funding into that area, and they started uh an orphanage there.
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Well, and when I say funding, I use that term very loosely.
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You know, they had to get the funding, they had to do things.
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Well, these kids were so awesome.
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Um, you know, I'm not the greatest football soccer player in the world, but I love soccer.
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It's one of my favorite things.
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I have never been beat so handily by anybody, much less children with disabilities than I was when we were in Africa.
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These folks were on clutches, they were on, they were in canes, some of them were walking with braces.
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I mean, just amazing, but they just throttled us in football.
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I mean, we had our entire group out there playing soccer with them, and they just beat us.
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Um, and and we were at this, what they called a they call them compounds, but we were at this facility that these children, and I guess, you know, they had all gamuts all the way through.
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And the kids that had gone through it graduated, went to college, they would come back and help.
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Well, they all built this compound with bricks that they had made.
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Um, and it was just fascinating.
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They would go sell peanuts, they would do all these things.
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And I mean, I I remember one of our um one of our team members looking over at me and saying, you know, you talked about going to physical therapy.
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Do you think this is something you could do?
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Um, and man, I was hooked with the idea that when we got back two weeks later, I was here at tech.
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Um, I was I I still didn't have the confidence, so I signed up for a master's program, went through the master's program, taught through that program, and then when I was finished, I thought, I can do this.
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And so I applied for physical therapy school, did the requirements, and here I am.
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And and so how old were you then at that?
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I was well, I was a late bloomer when it came to physical therapy.
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Um, I was probably 28, um, 27 when I when I began to go into physical therapy school.
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I finished up at around 31.
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And so um I was one of the um I guess you could call them non-traditional students.
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Well, so you okay, so you you went, you were a personal trainer.
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What was your undergrad degree?
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Um kinesiology with a minor in biology.
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Okay, all right.
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So then you went in.
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Well, it was I was gonna be a teacher to begin with.
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I I had I had signed up to at West Texas AM, I was gonna be a tea well, West Texas State at the time, and then they changed over, but I was gonna be a uh a teacher.
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My mom was a teacher, and so I had that bent to go that route.
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Um, but the draw for working out, um, exercise, how does that play into health and wellness?
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How does that play into overcoming injury?
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Um, man, it was just too big.
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Uh, I love that aspect of it.
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And I was sitting in, in fact, the uh I was sitting in a lab teaching uh during my uh master's degree.
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I got a master's in excise sports science with an emphasis in biomechanics.
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I was teaching a lab and I was talking to the students and I said, you know, we're gonna look at the the ulna and the radius.
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And one of the students raises his hand and he said, Um, Tim, isn't the ulna on the other side?
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And I was like, Oh my gosh, I got I got so much more to learn, man.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I it was one of those that I was like, you're right, man, you got me.
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Oh, you're like the the other ulna.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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It's like you know, I'm busted.
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I'm a lifetime student, I'll always be.
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Um, and I used to teach at the Health Sciences Center in their physical therapy program.
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I taught in that program for 10 years.
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Um, but I and that's where I kind of still scratched that itch of teaching.
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And so um, but it was such a you know, the students that I taught, I actually learned more from them than they ever learned from me the whole time.
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I mean, it was crazy.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Well, physical therapy, I mean, there's an aspect of teaching in that, isn't there?
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You're teaching people and instructing them how to take care of themselves and improve and get better.
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If we do it correctly, yes.
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Uh the whole goal, well, I mean, the goal, and this is where it's the whole goal is to teach people to be able to manage things on their own, right?
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I mean, um one of the mantras I would always say is hey, your clients or your patients need to have a reason to need you.
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If they don't have a reason to need you, they don't need to be there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do you feel like the rise of uh the internet and uh you know physical therapists online have hindered that or helped that?
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Or uh wow, that's a good question.
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Um, I mean, in the sense that because this is one of those areas you got to kind of tread lightly.
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I mean, here we are talking on a podcast that's gonna go on the internet, right?
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And it's I mean, it's one of those things, but and and and this is the other thing that's different.
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I told you I was a non-traditional student, right?
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Um, I'm 52 years old.
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When I started my business, I was 48.
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And it's like, man, most people are are they're coming on the downslope of that.
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They're not trying to ramp up.
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Um, and with the advent of the internet, it's been kind of a two-edged sword because we have uh, unfortunately, you know, you can go through credentials and you can go through all these different things, um, but just because you have a voice doesn't mean that you're a guru and that you know exactly what you're doing.
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And so we we see so many people getting on Instagram and and or Facebook and getting a platform, and uh they aren't quite the expert that they're making themselves out to be.
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You know, having uh Chat GPT create this thing with this this narrative where you read it and you say it online and you begin to discredit other people's program or um uh videos and all these things.
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Um it's made a tough situation.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah, it's kind of lowered the bar for the standard of qualification.
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You know, well, I mean, but it's not just physical therapy, it's every field.
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I mean, look at medicine, they're just getting hammered, right?
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I mean, it's like we have all these functional medicine practitioners, most of which were never medical doctors.
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And it's one of those things that they've got this platform.
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Now, do they have good quality stuff?
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I'm not smart enough to figure it out half the time.
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I don't know, but that's where it's one of those things that I mean, I I probably fit into the majority of the American population.
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Man, you sound good.
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Yeah, wow, that sounds okay.
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Got a good personality, yeah.
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Take my take my money, you know.
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I mean that's interesting.
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Along the way, okay.
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So we when did you get married?
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You were you because you've got a um wife and family.
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So when did this happen along the way with your schooling and everything like that?
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So I told you two weeks um after I got back from Africa in the summer of 2000, I actually, and this is what was interesting, is I had applied for a master's pro.
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I've been applying for all kinds of things.
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So I was like, I don't know where I want to go.
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You know, God, what do you what do you need me to do?
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I even applied to uh seminary school, got got denied there.
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Um and I mean, which rightly so, you know.
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What does that say?
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Well, there's a lot to that.
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And you know, that's another podcast.
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Um I had an opportunity.
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Uh, do you know who Ken Blanchard is?
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Um, I don't think so.
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He he's an author, so um um uh one minute manager.
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He wrote the book, The One Minute Manager, uh Young Ho, um, all kinds of stuff.
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Well, I had an opportunity when I was working at the Finlay Ewing uh Cardiovascular Center, and his agent called and said, Hey, Ken's gonna be in town for a while.
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Would y'all have anybody that can go in personal training?
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And yeah, sure, awesome, I'll go do it.
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So I went and worked with he and his wife, and I was talking to him, and I told him my dilemma, and I told him that I was thinking I was gonna be in ministry, but I got denied.
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And he looks at me and he goes, You know, Tim, I was talking to Norman, and my brain's like, Well, I don't know who Norman is.
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And I was like, Well, Norman, and he goes, Well, you know, Vincent Peel.
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And I was like, Oh, Norman.
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Yeah, okay, big deal.
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And he said, because I had the same dilemma, and he said, I thought, man, I wanted to get into ministry, and he just looked at me and he said, You know, Ken, the only difference between you and I is there's a lot less ministers where you're at than where I'm at.
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And so basically telling him that you need to stay along the path and go where you're at because you would make more of a difference because there's a lot less people speaking what you're trying to talk about, right?
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Yeah, and so interesting.
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It really spoke to me.
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But so I had applied for a master's program.
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I had applied to be a teaching assistant, and I was late in the application process.
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That was supposed to be in March.
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This was in July when I, right before I went to Africa, I submitted it all.
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When I got back, I had four phone calls, three form, three or four phone calls from the department, the HES, the Exercise Sports Science Department, Health Exercise Sport, and they were saying, Hey, if you want this job, you need to call now.
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I had taken the GRE, man, I signed up, I took it within a week.
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I was below the math requirement to get into the master's program.
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Um I had a call from them saying, Hey, we program.
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So again, two weeks later, I was living in Ludwig.
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That Christmas, well, March, right after Christmas, um, I had made a commitment to turn from some things that I was doing that I was real big into martial arts, real big into Eastern philosophies and some different things.
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And I I made a commitment.
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Um, my mom and I prayed about it, you know.
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I I got rid of a bunch of stuff.
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That March, I met my wife at my brother's 31st birthday party, or no, 29th birthday party.
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And so um I met her, went home, we were we ended up at um IHOP, her and a couple other friends, told my parents at 3:30 in the morning, I woke them up and I said, Hey, I've met the girl I'm gonna marry.
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We were engaged in a month, we were married by that August.
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So that's when we got married uh in the whole timeline.
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Wow.
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So Tim, I didn't know this about you, but you seem like a very impulsive person sometimes.
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I mean, it's just like Only when it comes to wives and buying things online.
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And and well, and career changes, it seems like, too.
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I mean, it's just uh anyway, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Not impulsive in a bad way.
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Sometimes I wish I was more like that.
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So nothing wrong with that.
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No, maybe I should say uh you go with what your heart is.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Yeah, it's all good.
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Yeah.
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Well, the the thing is, is, and I and I I have gotten away from it, and I wished I I'm trying to get back to that true sense of self.
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Um, I would always walk where I felt the Lord leading, and when doors would open, I would always pray about it, and if that was the door I was gonna walk through, I had no qualms of jumping and going that direction.
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Um that's a really good thing to do because you know sometimes I think we weigh ourselves down with, oh, well, that's not a good financial choice, or that won't be good for my blank, whatever it is, my career, my family, I don't know, whatever we say, whatever excuses we use, and then we don't, you know, we don't want to do it.
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So that's a good pursue it.
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Yeah.
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The the longest job I had was at the Finlay Ewing Cardiovascular Fitness Center before I I taught.
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I I I worked there for probably three and a half years.
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Um, and then I I was a PT at a place in Amarillo for about three years.
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Um, but then when I taught at the Health Science Center, I stayed there for 10 years.
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Now, about a year and a half, two years in, I thought, ooh, I'm not an academic.
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I like research, don't get me wrong.
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I just don't love research.
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I love that process.
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Yeah, I love using what they find in research.
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I love applying it to clients and my life, but I don't love making it.
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And that was that was the struggle for me.
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Yeah, I just finished product.
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So it was more research and less hands-on, I guess, and and even less teaching, I suppose, or well, no, now I mean academia was not what I thought it was gonna be.
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Um, and again, it it was probably more my expectations than academia itself.
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Um a lot of great people, um, but there's a lot of politics behind the scenes that you don't as a student know.
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There seems to be everywhere.
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Yeah, but go there, yeah.
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Yeah, and and it's one of those things that you know, um they have a great department there.
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It's just it it with for me, I love well, you kind of nailed it.
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I mean, I like to have things change.
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I like to be able to be a part of different things and and have a lot of things going on.
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And um, you know, I was teaching a lot.
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I actually used to also teach at uh dental conferences across the US and Canada, and I would teach there.
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Uh, I guess I did that for 10 years on the side as I was you know going through and teaching at the Health Science Center.
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Um, so I was teaching a lot.
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Um, and I used to love to teach a lot.
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Now I'm just now getting back into the field.
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So that was why it was nice when you kind of reached out to him like, okay, I'm just now getting to that point where I want to talk again, you know.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So you got married, uh, and tell me your wife's name.
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I've met her.
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Rebecca?
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Yeah, she's a very nice woman, yeah.
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Well, she's also my admin, my my uh my better half.
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She's the one that makes this thing work.
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And so in fact, if you go online and look at reviews, they most of them are like, Rebecca's great, you know, Tim and Rebecca, you know.
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I don't know about that Tim guy, but Rebecca's awesome.
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He's okay, she's wonderful, man.
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And it is.
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I mean, you know, here's the thing.
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We got married, and I was 27, and um I I brought a lot of stuff into that marriage that I mean, I thank God I married the woman I did because she was willing to give me the grace.
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Now, that doesn't mean that she didn't hold my foot to the fire, but she was willing to give me the grace to get through all the things that I needed to.
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I'm I'm I I'm embarrassed to say how long it took me to do that, but I'm finally, we're finally in the place where, oh, okay, you know, the whole the the wife trains, the husband thing.
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She finally got me trained.
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Sometimes it takes a good woman sometimes, doesn't it?
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To uh make us all better.
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No, at the end of the day, I mean, you know, I always thought going into marriage, you were gonna, you know, oh, I got I got married.
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Everything changed, right?
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I I'm gonna be that guy that I thought I would be.
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Well, I should have been the guy before I got married, and then I might have been closer to who that was.
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You're still the same messed up person as before.
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You just boom.
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And that, but now you just have somebody that's having to witness it, right?
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They're alongside you seeing that car crash, and they can see it a mile away.
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Um, I mean, seriously, and there were just things that were going on and that I was doing from uh drinking to whatever that she had to, I mean, she would write me letters, right, to talk to me and let me know.
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And um, over the course of things, it was we'd sit down and she'd have to, you just need to listen.
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I need to talk to you.
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Okay, you know, and um, but I honestly I we wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for her, whether it be the clinic or whether it be our marriage.
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And that's where um, you know, I can't say enough.
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It you know, you talked about your opening the clinic and how big a deal it is.
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Man, that was the biggest step of faith and jump, leap of faith I had to do in my lifetime.
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I'm sure.
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Yeah, I'm I'm curious.
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Can I go back to something else and ask that you talked about giving up martial arts and eastern?
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Were you more like away from Christianity at that time and you were uh looking at like uh Eastern religion, or I'm just kind of curious about that if you want to say.
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I don't know.
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It's interesting to me.
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Yeah, no, I you know, because it all because martial arts isn't a sin, right?
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I mean, you don't at all I love it, I still do it today.
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Uh it's only on my own terms, my own time.
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Um but no, I you know, so I've been trying to I I wanted to read the Bible all the way through, you know, with that from cover to cover, and so that's kind of what my goal is right now, and I've been doing it.
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And um, you know, when you what you're asking is a lot like the Israelites, as they would bring in other things and mesh it with their religion and mesh it with what they're doing from a uh uh, you know, what God had told them to do.
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They brought in all of these other things.
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Well, you know, um from incense to um reading a lot of material that were that were written by a bunch of uh other religious people, religious thoughts.
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I began to read books on other religions, began to um, you know, and I was driving, my my roommate actually was uh a Dallas Theological Seminary student.
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And so he and I would have all these deep conversations, these deep talks, you know, and and you think, oh, he's going to seminary, but that's one of the things they jokingly called it the cemetery, because a lot of people would go to they would go to DTS and they would lose their faith because of how deep they would get into these discussions.
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And and Lee and I were driving on the highway, and I can't even remember which highway it was, Dallas got so many of them, but we we were talking about the creator, right?
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And then we were talking about creation, and it's like it hit me like a ton of bricks that the creator is not the creation, and if you look at a lot of eastern religion and the thought processes, everything is part of everything, right?
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And and it's like, no, uh, God is not creation.
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If he was, he couldn't be God.
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And I remember having that epiphany right before I moved, and that's where I began to realize I had let a lot of this, you know, because at first it was my mom and I would have that conversation.
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Mom would go, oh, you know, you don't want to meditate.
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And it's like, oh, I'm not meditating, I'm just I'm just praying as I'm sitting there, you know, with my eyes closed, with all the students around.
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I'm thinking of God, you know, it's okay.
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Mix it in, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and then and then it's like, okay, well, wait a minute, what about this meditation thing?
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And what about this stuff?
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And and again, I'm not knocking it, I'm not saying that you can't do it for me.
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It was something that I had allowed myself to take my eyes and my focus off of God.
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And and and I'm still nowhere near where I was at that time.
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You know, when I went to Africa, that was one of the most alive moments I had ever felt.
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Because we were in a place, and we didn't know this, but we were in a place that was on the State Department's places of not to go because they had they had been having a civil war.
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Wow.
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And I don't know if you know have you ever heard about the blood diamonds?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So with Sierra Leone, they had all this blood diamond stuff where they were having people come and mine the dying.
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And do all this stuff.
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Charles Taylor was the leader in Africa at the time, in Monrovia at the time, in Liberia.
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He actually had been brought up on war criminal, war trial or war charges, criminal charges, after all of that, he came out of power because he was doing such bad things in that part of the world.
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Well, he was leading the country at the time.
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In fact, I remember they were having their Independence Day, and the newspaper came out, and he had an article in there that was telling Bill Clinton to mind his own business, basically.
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And here we were, 18 of us in Africa, and they made us stay in on the Independence Day.
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We didn't get an opportunity to go out because, again, they were concerned for our safety with that.
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Wow, sure.
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Um, I mean, to one point where we went to a waterside market that they had, and we had a police officer pull our entire entourage, we had a whole group of us.
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He he pulled us aside.
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He was drunker than a skunk, by the way.
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He had a revolver on his side.
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I mean, yeah, he was lit.
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I mean, this guy, if I he was lit, he was lit.
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Wow.
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Yeah, and he was pulling us aside.
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Our guide's name was Solomon, and you know, you think, okay, Africa, you think I'm wearing different clothes.
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They wore everything that we wear.
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I mean, it was in this part of the world, you know, they had um better clothes than I had in terms of what they were wearing.
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I mean, obviously, you can tell I don't I don't have fashion sense.
00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.440
That was one of the things, Philip, I loved about you.
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You always had a fashion sense about you when you come in.
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Thanks for noticing.
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Yeah.
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No, it was.
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We, you know, and I I I could always take, I was like, man, I need to take Philip.
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He needs to take me shopping and show me how to go out.
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But these guys, I mean, because they did, they had a fashion sense about them.
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And and this um police officer, and again, keep in mind they've been going through civil war, so it they had all kinds of devastation, all kinds of things.
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Um, but he pulled him aside and told him he was lying that he wasn't Liberia.
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And he was about to take us all to jail.
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And this went on for about 30 minutes to an hour until finally one of his colleagues pulled him aside and they went aside, started talking, they yelled back and forth.
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Next thing I know, the guy comes back and he's just changes his whole tune.
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And I still don't know why.
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I mean, because when we flew into the country, we got off our off the plane, didn't have to go through customs, got into the buses.
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They took us to this one hotel on Ducart Hill that was supposed to be for dignitaries.
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Now, again, it was bombed out, everything.
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Turns out it was the head of Charles Taylor Securities detail, they were having a wedding, and they had a big old table lined up for us.
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Wow.
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And so I still don't know.
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I don't know.
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I mean, uh, you know, my my roommate just said, Hey Tim, I'd really feel comfortable if you went because I I want to make sure that, you know, again, it's because of a martial art background.
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.400
I mean, it was one of those reasons that he was, I had no reason to be there.
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Well, I did find out why later on, but as it kind of went on, it was a unique situation.
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Um, but in that moment, you know, taking it back full circle, you don't know whether you're gonna be thrown in jail, you don't know what's gonna happen.
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And that's something that's so unique to us here in America.
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.839
We just walk out the door and expect life to go on.
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We expect things to happen, so much so that when somebody something happens, we're we're so dumbfounded on the new how did that ever happen?
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.359
You know, and in this country, things like that happen all the time.
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In fact, that's one of the things they wanted us to be able to go out and tell our story and let them know that life's still going on, even though there were tragedies and different things happening in their world.
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:33.200
Um, but it was one of my most favorite memories and times of my life being in that country and and in you know, engulfing with the people and getting to know the people.
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I mean, beautiful people.
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Um, smiles, laughter, singing.
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I mean, it was just awesome.
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Um, just being a part of that.
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So you feel like it just grounded you in your faith and kind of filtered out everything else, and like this is you know, well, I mean, the Bible, God, it talks about relying on Him.
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:52.240
Yeah, right.
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We get here and we get so engulfed in our rely on, well, I gotta go make this money, I gotta go here, I gotta go do this.
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.559
There, it was like, man, where are they taking us?
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:02.960
Right.
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Okay, I'm in your hands, you know.
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I mean, let's in control, yeah.
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:15.119
And so, Philip, when you talked about the idea that I would move around, that's what I love to do, is I love to be able to walk where I felt led to go.
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:21.519
I mean, there were times when I was personal training that I'd have clients come in, they'd bring me a Bible, brand new, shrink wrapped, everything.
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And I'm thinking, man, I've got 50 of these at home.
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I don't know what to do with it.
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:30.559
Sure enough, a good friend of mine that was also pretty, he's the one that got me the job there, he came and sat by me and I said and he said, What's that?
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.759
And I said, Oh, it's a Bible.
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Client brought it to me.
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He goes, You know what?
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.039
I've never had a Bible.
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I handed it to him and I said, You do now?
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Perfect.
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It was one of those things.
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I'm like, because I was thinking literally, I was like, I don't know what to do.
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.359
I mean, I feel bad taking this because I got five or more at home, you know.
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:46.160
I yeah.
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And and when he sat down and said that, it literally didn't even, it was now you do.
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Here you go, brand new shrink wrapped and everything.
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.119
Yeah, that's awesome.
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:56.960
So I I love that.
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:04.799
Um, and that's probably one of the reasons that I wanted to get out into practice again is to be able to live my life, right?
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:11.279
Where it's kind of on the terms that I feel God is setting for us, my family, me, um, but also that reliance on him.
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:12.880
Now, am I good at it?
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.279
No, the whole relying piece.
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.680
I mean, it took me to go to a third world country to get almost thrown in jail to rely on him.
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.200
Right, right, right.
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.720
Yeah, that's good though.
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.319
Yeah, it's a great story.
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:39.920
So you decided that you uh uh so after uh research academia for a while, you decided you're done with this and you wanted to start your own b how did the concept or the thought in your head think I'm I'm gonna start my own business?
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.000
Because that's a big, big concept.
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:46.240
Well, so God was changing my heart a lot.
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:54.960
Um by 2018, I had I had pretty much decided I wasn't gonna do the teaching thing um much longer, if at all.
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.759
Um it was 2022 when I finally stepped out.
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:02.079
Um, but I had been working on a fellowship through COVID and things like that.
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.119
And it was a three-year fellowship uh for manual therapy and and orthopedic-based manual therapy.
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.319
And in that class or that fellowship, they had a guy come in and teach about our own business.
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.880
Well, in physical therapy, you never really could do your own business because they didn't have it set up with our practice act.
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.440
We couldn't see people without a referral, so it was really hard to get a practice.
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:31.119
Well, they've now since changed that, where you can see a physical therapist for 30 days without a referral in the state of Texas.
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:37.279
Um, still a little fetter on that, or at least a chain on that, but it's not, I mean, now we actually have the opportunity to do that.
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.000
As a profession, we hadn't had the opportunity to do that.
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:44.079
Um, well, when this gentleman began to speak about that, I began to think about it heavily.
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.519
Um, in fact, so much so that I began to read a lot of books.
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Um, and I always read, I'm I'm an avid reader.
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:56.400
So uh whether it's reading on um, you know, business-related stuff or self-help stuff or Chris, you know, different things like the Bible.
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:05.920
And so it's one of those things um that uh I I wish I could say that that was something I've always done, but I'm now trying to do more of it, which is why I'm trying to read the Bible from cover to cover.
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.640
Um but you know, I was reading a book and it was called The Power of the Other.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.640
Um by Henry Cloud.
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He's a psychologist that he's written different books or things like that.
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:23.680
But he talked about four quadrants of friendship, and he talks about you know, first, second, third, and goes on to talk about the fourth quadrant.
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:33.039
The fourth quadrant is that level of friendship where people can become real, they can become honest about themselves and where they're at, and true healing can begin.
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:40.240
Well, I went and told Rebecca right after I read that book, I said, Man, if we open up a clinic, I know exactly what the name's gonna be.
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.920
We're gonna call it fourth corner.
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:52.000
And that's why we came up with fourth corner, and I said performance and therapeutic concepts because here's the thing um I didn't want it to just be physical therapy.
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:57.039
I wanted to be able to bring other people in that weren't just physical therapists.
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.920
And it's kind of like, you know, you'll see a lot of clinics that that name their place after their last name.
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.519
I didn't want it after my last name.
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.240
I didn't want people just to associate it with Pendergrass personal training or physical therapy.
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:24.640
I wanted it to be something that could go on if somebody wanted to come and be a part of that, where it was actually, you know, because when people would call, I, you know, I've had other people tell me that when they named it after themselves, physicians, clients would call, hey, I want to be with so-and-so.
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.640
And that would typically be the owner, right?
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.440
And it's like, well, but the owner's book, he can't be with you.
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:34.240
Well, okay, but that's the only person I'm being because it's, you know, pendergrass physical therapy.
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.279
And it's like, you know, in this way, it's like, well, everybody is a part of it.
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:45.599
And so I that's why we came up with performance and therapeutic concepts, because we could have any number of specialties in there and begin to make a difference.
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.599
So, but the four corner piece was we wanted people to be able to, we love the connectedness.
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.079
That's one of the things that we love about here is that we want to get to know people.
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.240
You know, it's just like Philip had mentioned that he's come here, his wife's come here, his son's come here.
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:01.119
We love that.
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:02.000
We want that.
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:10.240
In fact, if you look at our referral sources, probably 75-80% of who we get referrals from are previous clients who've been here.
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.160
They've referred other people to us.
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.880
I don't typically go out and market to physicians, I don't market to specialists.
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:24.079
Dentists, I have a little bit, mainly because I had a I had a connection with them before I ever even got out of academia.
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.960
And so that's one of those things I had just built friendships with them, so I still keep those friendships up.
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:40.880
Um but with the idea of marketing, um, I really talk to people more than I talk to medical professionals because we have a different model here and a different business philosophy here.
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:48.400
So, how scary was it to think about you know like the financial aspect of it?
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.880
Yeah, because you said it was a leap of faith.
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:52.160
Oh yeah.
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.400
So let me let me ask you this.
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.559
So um and George, I don't know what what what's your job outside of outside of this?
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.200
I'm a full-time minister over at Milwaukee.
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.119
Uh yeah, with uh Philip, he's a that he goes to.
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:05.599
So yeah.
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.640
We go to the same church, he's a minister, yeah.
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.680
Yeah, you still work at with a credit card company?
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:12.799
I do, yeah.
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:13.359
Yeah.
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.400
So do you have benefits with a credit card company?
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.880
Uh I do actually.
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.720
But I am uh yeah, I do actually, yeah, fortunately.
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.200
So but I am about 90% commissioned, so I can relate to some of some of that.
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:27.759
Oh, yeah.
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:28.960
No, well, here's the thing though.
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:35.359
You know, at Texas Tech, you you you have the benefits, you have the big large um, you know, university system.
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:36.880
So you have all these things.
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.359
Probably a great retirement plan, right?
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:40.799
There 100%.
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:41.519
Yeah, right.
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:42.079
100%.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.079
You and you have all these things, and I and I that was my biggest struggle.
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.240
I mean, we've got a family of six, right?
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.119
And so um we have four kids.
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.240
My wife might say five sometimes, including me and that bunch.
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.599
But we as as we go through that process, you know, it scared me to death.
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.279
My dad was a company man.
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:02.720
Well, he was an oil gas guy.
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.759
It was always, you're gonna get with a company, you're gonna stay with that company, you know.
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.839
And I saw him secure.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.000
Well, and I saw he was that generation that they began to offload people.
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:17.440
And oh, I know you've got these, you know, this this plan, but man, we're gonna have to move you off of there.
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.559
You're not gonna get that.
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:26.000
Um, so it really made me nervous, but tech is such a large process and entity, I thought, man, how am I gonna get benefits?
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:27.279
What am I gonna do?
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:38.079
Well, right before we opened up, probably about a year before we opened, no, yeah, about a year, I was driving to the Health Science Center, just racking my brain with this because it's like, man, what if I don't get people to come in?
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.240
What if I don't, you know, where am I gonna get insurance?
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.000
Where am I gonna get all these things?
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:46.720
And I again, I told you, I'm not good at relying on God unless you take me to a third world country.
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.319
And it's like somebody's about to, you know, put your foot uh in jail, and it's like, okay, God, please help me.
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:59.599
You know, and here it's like, oh no, I can do it, I can stay at the Health Science Center, make my salary, and and do it.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:08.480
Well, I was driving to the Health Science Center and I felt in my spirit, I felt God just say, you know, Tim, you're talking a lot like tech is your God.
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.519
And I'm like, oh.
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:19.360
He says, Don't you think that if I can give that to you all in one place, I can give that to you from other places as well.
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:20.079
Right.
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:21.920
Like tech is not your God.
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.039
I am your God.
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.079
So if I want you to do something, I can I can make it happen.
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:28.719
Right.
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:35.760
Rebecca will tell you that the minute I went and told her that, she said, I knew we were gonna open our own business.
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:45.519
Because I'd him on around for about four or five years about like I said, when I was reading that self-help book, it was at least before 2022, more like before COVID.
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.280
And I so I had the name about five or six years before we ever even opened.
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.840
I had been drawing things and I wanted the clinic to look, all these things for years.
00:34:54.320 --> 00:35:00.559
And when I heard that in my spirit, felt that in my spirit, it's like I didn't have a choice.
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.079
That's great.
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.599
And so you you felt compelled to do it.
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:06.159
Yeah.
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:14.320
I felt well, I'd always felt like a leading to move in that direction, but unlike I would had been before, where I could be like, Yep, I'm done, I'm moving, you know.
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.599
Um, now it's there's other people, you know, because before it was just me.
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:19.519
Or me and Rebecca.
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.840
Now it's me, Rebecca, and the four kiddos.
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:22.960
That's a big deal.
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:24.480
That's a big deal to think about.
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:24.800
Yeah.
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:25.360
Yeah.
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:26.639
Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.039
So that perspective kind of just blew the door open.
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:29.679
Yes.
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:30.480
Yeah.
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:30.960
That's great.
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:37.360
But again, that's why we came up with our original kind of logo where we have the cross uh in the fourth corner kind of piece.
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.239
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:39.119
Okay, I see that now.
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:45.920
We're actually under the cross for a reason, and it's because we need that covering, and that's why that red square is where it's at.
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.320
It's I'm not saying I got it down.
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.679
I'm not sitting here, you know, you being a pastor or that kind of thing, man.
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.400
I I don't profess to be anywhere near that level.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.000
I'm still trying to get to where I feel God's leading me.
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.519
And thankfully, you know, I gave up a lot of things in the last several years that I needed to give up.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:06.239
Yeah.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:06.639
Yeah.
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:13.280
In order to get to the point where now God can even just say, okay, now maybe I can start using you, you know, start doing some things for you.
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:20.000
I mean, there, I mean, I've made a lot of mistakes in my lifetime, but marrying my wife after that period of time is not one of them.
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:20.719
There you go.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:21.280
Yeah, I know.
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.000
The blessing.
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:22.239
Yeah.
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.000
Because she was raised in a godly home.
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:32.960
I mean, a very godly home, probably um where I've gotten a lot of uh, you know, spiritually fed, more so than even my own.
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.599
And my mom was one of the most godly people in the world.
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.239
My dad, not so much, he was an oil and gas guy.
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:40.719
He he loved the phrase oil-filled trash.
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:42.400
And he loved to be on the rigs.
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:47.519
He loved the fact that he could go be whoever he was there and then not have to curb his talk.
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.880
Not I mean, I learned words um when I was young.
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.639
Uh I I probably learned cuss words before I learned most of the English language.
00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:03.119
I could use the F-word, I mean, more uh than any any child you would ever know, just because of how my my dad had your dad that influence, yeah.
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:04.079
Every time, man.
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:13.760
I mean, yeah, he he always made me sit there and watch him work on stuff and do things, and uh they didn't always go as planned, you know, when you're uh uh do-it-yourselfer, they don't always go as planned.
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.800
And and he would uh boy, it was colorful, man.
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.039
So your wife helped chisel that away then.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.880
Well, she helped me realize that there's a different way that you can behave.
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:23.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:24.400
That's awesome.
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.639
And my mom had always been trying to do that, right?
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.000
Always, always.
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:37.280
And and and man, my grandmother, my dad's mom, was very religious, probably at that point where it may turn people off, you know, and I think that's what happened to my dad.
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.239
I think he was turned off by the whole religion thing.
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:47.119
Um but I've always had the godly influences and the people in our past that have been praying for us and going through that process.
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.639
Um, yeah, and it's you know, the idea that they're helping uh generations down the line.
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.840
Um Rebecca's dad and mom, they're just godly as can be, and I mean, just awesome people.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:58.960
That's great.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:08.079
So um when I first when I went to y'all, you'd probably just I don't remember the year, but you were close had just been open for a little bit, I feel like, right?
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:14.239
I mean Yeah, you you you responded to the first and you put an ad on in you put an ad on Instagram.
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.840
I put an ad on Instagram, yeah.
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:16.960
And that's that's what I asked you.
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.239
I said, Where'd you where'd you hear about us?
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.079
He said, I saw the ad come across on Instagram.
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.079
We had been open maybe a year, yeah.
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.360
Okay, yeah.
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:32.719
I I'd been having trouble with, I think at my time that time an elbow, elbow problem, and it was just almost like debilitating, and sometimes it still hurts.
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:39.199
But anyway, um, and I was just like, you know, these this thing looks I'm gonna just message them and see.
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:40.960
And so we went in.
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.039
I went in, and everybody, well, you and your wife, the two people there were so nice.
00:38:45.199 --> 00:39:01.199
It was just a real nice atmosphere, too, you know, real friendly, um warm, you know, and as we got to know each other and talked more, you know, I could tell, you know, it was a Christian atmosphere, and it was just a nice, it was very, it was great, but it was a good experience all the way around.
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.000
Except for when you needled me, besides that.
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.400
Needled?
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.320
Tell them about Tim does a bunch of wacky stuff.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.119
No, not wacky.
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:15.199
He does a bunch, he does a bunch of um well, tell them what you do.
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:15.840
I don't need to tell him.
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.320
You tell them to that Eastern religion thing.
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:19.360
Don't worry about it.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:20.320
Yeah.
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:20.880
Yeah.
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.519
I gave up most things, just not everything.
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:24.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.000
Kind of adopted some other ones.
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:27.920
Tell them some of the things you do cupping, right?
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:29.440
You do cupping there, or do you do that?
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.440
I I do on occasion use cupping.
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:38.159
It's not, you know, I I'm huge on the idea of active recovery and active, yeah, um, you know, being active.
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.000
I I passive interventions have a place, uh, but they should not be the mainstay of your interventional process.
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:56.880
Um, and that's where, you know, if you go in and you're on moist heap ice, East M, all that stuff, uh, and that's what you do all the time, and you don't do any active stuff, um, you're probably not going to get the best results.
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.480
And and you know, go ahead.
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.719
Wayman's terms, active and passive.
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:01.199
We're talking about.
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.480
So when I think of active, I I think of doing things that are activating muscles, right?
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:20.320
So I think about mobility, I think about muscle performance or strength and endurance, I think about stability, working on um having helping people become more stable in their joint, maybe even neuromotor speaking, like balance and things like that.
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:34.159
But they're doing it and they're actually taking control or or or um making themselves uh be a part of the process as opposed to just being somebody that uh lets things happen to them, you know.
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.440
Um and it it it's a mindset thing, but it does change the way this process goes.
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.440
And one of the first things that I always tell people when they come in here is you're guiding the ship.
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.679
If we're doing something and it feels better, great.
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.199
If it doesn't feel good, tell me.
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:48.480
It's not about my ego.
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.320
And that's one of the struggles with it, you know.
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:57.119
Yes, I've gone through, I mean 23 plus years of postgraduate education to become and do what I do.
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.360
But all I really learned was what I don't know, right?
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:10.719
There is so much out there that that as we go through this process, any person that comes in that door, now speaking from a research perspective, is an end of one.
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.519
I want to make them better based on how they respond.
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.199
And that's one of the challenges.
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:24.719
But if I just have them come in and lay on my treatment table, and all I do is put a hot pack on them, and that's all they do, they're getting that, you know.
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.559
I told you before, I want my patients to have a reason to need me, or they shouldn't be here.
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.880
And that's one of those things that I really want is them to have a reason to need me.
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:44.320
Yeah, it was it was a great, I mean, uh the thing I liked is you know, you're open to oh, I'd I'd say maybe I I don't really want to do that, or I did want to do that, or I'd try whatever.
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:50.400
And Tim was open to all these different things and gave it, but I mean he was extremely knowledgeable, so I don't don't.
00:41:50.559 --> 00:42:01.519
I mean, it was uh I could tell he knew so many things about you know what issues I was having, and anyway, and so we did do needling one day on my elbow, and I actually think it did help.
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.159
It's just a weird experience.
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:13.280
So I I'm a I'm a trigger point dry needler, uh, and I and I've taken courses um on that, but it and it's one of those things that I've been needled everywhere I needle somebody.
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:25.360
Um, but it's it's uh it's a process where you use it, and it is an acupuncture-based needle, but I do not practice acupuncture, and I and I want to let that be known because that's one of those things that people say, well, what's the difference?
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.679
And it's like, well, first off, um, and don't take this personally, but I don't really care about your cheat.
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.679
I'm not trying to change your life force.
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.199
I'm not trying to work on your uh lungs by hitting this spot or do this.
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.480
That's not what I'm after.
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:42.239
It's it's very rudimentary and very Western medicine thought process where you have a tight muscle, I want to relax it.
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.880
Hey, look, we stick a needle in it, it relaxes.
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.440
That's cool.
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:46.639
Oh, interesting.
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.039
Yeah, and that's where there's so many theories and and and beliefs about why it happens.
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.320
They're still researching it.
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:56.480
Um, at the end of the day, I've had some really awesome results with it.
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.159
Uh, and I can't explain it.
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.880
The very first one was right after I learned how to needle.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.320
I needled a young lady who had not been able to eat certain things.
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:05.760
Um, I needled her.
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.280
She came back and she and she goes, Yeah, I went and ate steak last night.
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:10.320
And I was like, wait, what?
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.480
And she said, Yeah, I hadn't had steak in two years.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.000
I went and ate steak.
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.760
Well, then we went through a treatment.
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.039
I never saw her again.
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.039
I thought maybe it got worse.
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:20.320
I thought I didn't know what happened.
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.880
I tried to reach out, never got back to me.
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:33.280
I think it was seven years later, I was contracting in a clinic here in town, and I was talking to another client about it, and all of a sudden behind me, I hear somebody say, Yeah, I did that.
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.280
And it, man, it made all the difference in the world.
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:40.320
I turned around and I said, Because at the time I was the only one in town treating temporal mandibular joint.
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.320
And um uh I said, Who who did that?
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.000
And she said, Well, you did.
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.840
And I didn't recognize it because she had gotten older, and she's and I said, I thought I recognized you.
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.239
I said, I've been looking for you for seven years.
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:55.440
What happened to you?
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.559
And she goes, Well, I never had another problem, so I just never came back.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.480
Okay.
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.360
Okay then.
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:01.920
That works.
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:03.920
Yeah, I mean, but it's one of those things.
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:12.719
And and you know, that's what that's what I really like about what I do here is with that connectedness, we really get to know people where they let me know what's going on, right?
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.199
Um, and if somebody's getting better, awesome.
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.719
If they're not, I still want to know.
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.559
It's still awesome because I get to feed into that and try to help that.
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:25.440
Um, or I mean, I had a client the other day that, man, we we just weren't making the progress.
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.400
I reached out to somebody else, I began to tell them a story.
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.360
They said, you know what, I think this might be going on.
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.280
And I said, Hey, would you be willing to see them?
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.880
And referred them to that person.
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.119
I mean, it's about getting, you know, if I can't help them get success, I want to get them somewhere to get success.
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.599
You know, I I I changed from the person treating them to the advocate for them.
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.719
And then we began to get them help other places, right?
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.239
And so uh what I'm doing now is what I wished physical therapy had been when I started.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:54.159
That's right.
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.119
Yeah, that's really great.
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:03.280
Well, and do you want to give like a uh like a commercial for or I mean not a commercial, but like an overview of all the things you do?
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.559
You want to talk about that, or you I mean you do more than just physical therapy.
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.760
I mean, you help with performance, right?
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:12.559
And things like that.
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:18.079
Yeah, so that's that's where the performance and um you know therapeutic concepts come in.
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:27.280
I do, in fact, I do a lot of stuff where one of the things that I and I didn't know that I would like this because you know, when I first started and I came out, I was man, I'm gonna work with athletes, I'm gonna do this.
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.320
There's so many people that work with athletes that it's it's it's amazing here in town.
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.480
And it and a lot of great people that do it, you know?
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:50.880
It's not that it's not that we don't have that here in Lubbock, but you know where people don't get taken care of, and and you see this across Instagram and Facebook, where you have 20 somethings, maybe even 30 somethings, trying to tell uh 45 and 50 year old folks, hey, you're you need to be able to do this.
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.960
And it's like, well, man, when you hit that benchmark, maybe you can come tell me, right?
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:55.519
What is it?
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.079
Because your bodies just change.
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:16.239
And so I really have gotten to where I really enjoy working with 35 and up, working in helping their bodies remember, remember what they're supposed to do because they still have the range of motion, they still have the the quality uh ability to produce muscle force, their bodies have just forgotten, right?
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:28.880
I mean, it's like a lot of people, well, back when I was 18 or I was 20, I was really doing all this stuff, and I haven't done it in 15 years, you know, and the only thing, the only context they have is they want to get back in the gym and do what they did when they were 18.
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:30.480
Don't do that.
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.920
Let's where we're at.
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.039
Let's meet you where you're at.
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:38.000
And so, man, I've got I've got a lot of clients right now where that's what we're doing, is we're meeting them where they're at.
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.079
And the cool thing is I don't have to have a script for that.
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.400
We just keep moving forward because it's performance.
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:47.519
And then if they do need to do something, we can then revert back to physical therapy.
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.800
That's one of the unique things about what I do is if we have that, we can always then start a plan of care.
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.880
That makes sense.
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.800
Take care of that, move on.
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:09.039
And so when we have people that come in, I mean, I've got I love so one of the first things I did when I was a PT is no matter who came across, no matter who it was, I always said, Yeah, put them on schedule, put them on my schedule.
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.559
So I could learn how to work and treat a lot of different things.
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.719
Because at the time it was job security, right?
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:15.440
That's what I was thinking.
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:16.559
It's job security.
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.079
But it was a training ground.
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.440
It was for when I got here.
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.679
I love seeing and treating a lot of different things.
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.920
There's only a few things that I refer out immediately.
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:29.119
Um women's health is one of those things, and we've got a lot of great women's health providers here in the city.
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.920
Um but it's one of those things that I just don't treat.
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.239
And I mean, for obvious reasons, but it's also there's people that know how to do that, right?
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.920
And again, they don't need me, so that they don't need to be here.
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:49.679
But when we go through that and we begin to see, you know, the gamut of things, because I right now is probably the most eclectic clientele space that I've had since we've been open.
00:47:49.840 --> 00:48:01.679
And I mean, I've got people that have had you know past cancer history, I've got people that have had uh scoliosis, I've got people that um TMJ, which again I love and I enjoy, but man, I just got a lot of different folks that I see.
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.239
Uh, and part of it is about problem solving.
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.639
Um, people with post-Lyme disease.
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:11.519
I mean, there's just there's all kinds of people that that I've had an opportunity to work with, and I love that.
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:17.119
Um, but as we go through the process, it's like I told you before, I love getting people off the table.
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.039
So if we go from passive things to more active things, that's my goal.
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.559
And people come in for physical therapy, we start there and then we move forward.
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.960
Well, and he has a whole gym there.
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.679
I mean, uh pretty nice gym setup.
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.320
So it's more than just yeah, stretching and things like that.
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:32.559
Absolutely.
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:40.880
A lot of physical therapy places that you go to, um, and I never understood this, except you know, I always equated it to just they didn't have a lot the lack of funds.
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.960
Um, they don't have enough load to actually load you up, right?
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:51.119
Our bodies respond to load, but yet when you go into a physical therapy clinic, a lot of the times you just see people on theravan, right?
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:56.880
Yeah, here, go over here and do this, and and you see, you know, and they're like, okay, I'll go over there and do that, and they'll sit there and they'll do the exercise.
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.960
Oh, did you get all three sets done?
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:00.400
Yeah, oh yeah, I already did that.
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:01.840
Oh, right.
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.280
I mean, if you can do three sets of 30 in one minute, there's a problem.
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:09.679
Easiest path of resistance, yeah.
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:10.880
There's a problem.
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:17.760
And again, I don't equate that with bad physical therapist, I equate that with the system, right?
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:23.679
Because remember, I was in the business of helping to be a part of people becoming physical therapists, right?
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.760
Um, I don't want to say train them because I it wasn't me, it was a group effort across the board, but I was a part of that.
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.400
So I know at least a lot of the physical therapists in the city are great.
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.079
They they know what to do.
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:43.039
They just oftentimes they have their hands tied and they can't do what they're qualified to do and they know how to do because of time constraints.
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.599
I know I was that way when I was in a traditional physical therapy.
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.119
I thought, oh, I'm doing great care.
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:53.840
It's like, no, even though you're multitasking and you're good at multitasking, you're doing everything you're doing less well.
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:54.559
Right?
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.119
Yeah, and that's where the struggle comes into play.
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.960
Um and so it's one of those things, again, a lot of great PTs.
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.119
Um, now there are some that are not so great, but uh that's in every profession, right?
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:06.639
I mean, you have that across the board.
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:13.440
Um, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of great PTs that just don't have the opportunity to practice to their full extent.
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:13.920
Yeah.
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:16.239
Yeah.
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:17.039
All right.
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:31.760
Well, um sometimes we also chat about entertainment TV movies, any any entertainment, any movies, anything that you've seen lately that you want to discuss that you liked, disliked, you don't have to like it.
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.199
Uh anything that your family's enjoyed, anything like that.
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:40.719
Um, you know, we we got stuck on that Ted Lasso series last.
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:42.639
Did y'all ever see Ted Lasso?
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.440
Yeah, I saw the first uh two seasons.
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.840
The third season I didn't finish, I didn't really like it.
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.960
And then the fourth season came out, and I was just I've been hemming and haw and unsure about to pick it up or not.
00:50:53.039 --> 00:51:08.719
They they've taken it a different direction, and it's just it's just uh, you know, I mean, I I'm all for women's sports, so that that's not but it's just there there's an agenda going through that process, especially if you're thinking about it from a Christian standpoint, a believer standpoint.
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.800
Yeah, um, and so it's been a little bit of a challenge to uh to see that next season come in.
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:16.719
Yeah, the first two seasons were great.
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:27.360
Well, a lot about leadership, a lot about you know, kind of what we've talked about, the idea that you're not gaslighting people, you're letting people have a uh you know a growth mentality.
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.199
It's like, oh yeah, no, try that.
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:33.199
See, and that's you know, when people come in, I'll they'll tell me, Oh, I did this, I did that.
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.440
It's like, okay, well, the second question is always how did it work out for you?
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:38.960
How did it work out?
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.280
If it worked out, add that to your worldview.
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:46.159
If it didn't be uh encouraged because you're still trying to solve the problem, right?
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.159
It may just not have worked out, and that's kind of how I felt with that first Ted Lasso season.
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:57.199
He he wanted to encourage people, he wanted to be positive, wanting all that, and you know, you just felt good when you walked away from one of his his talks to the team or something.
00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:57.840
Yeah, you did.
00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:58.480
Yeah.
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.639
Um, and now it's a little bit unique.
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.880
They've taken some different liberties, some different directions.
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:03.360
Sure.
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.519
Um, so it's it's just unique.
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:10.639
But uh the other one that I've watched personally was the uh the Green Lantern, the DC Green Lantern thing.
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.920
Have y'all watched that one?
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:12.800
Which one was that?
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:13.679
Is it a TV show?
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:16.480
Oh, yeah, I've heard of it.
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:17.280
Is that good?
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.360
They took a different route to it.
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.079
You know, it's the guy that made uh Guardian the Galaxies.
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:22.559
Okay.
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.719
Um he he he took it and made it more of an investigative process.
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:38.000
You know, it's not like you just have all these special powers going all over the place, and although he does have some of that in there, but um they've kind of gone on an investigative route where they're trying to solve a murder and trying to solve, you know.
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:38.800
Oh, okay.
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.880
It's a little unique, it's different than than what you're used to seeing.
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.639
Now that has the Friday Night Lights actor on it, right?
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:47.280
Uh-huh.
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:48.480
Yeah, I like him.
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.920
The one that played How the Lord.
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:51.119 --> 00:53:00.960
That's yeah, he's the he's the one of the main characters, and then um, you know, there there it's I've I was actually pleasantly surprised with it um how it kind of turned out, you know.
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.800
Yeah, you're not the first you're like the second or third person that said that.
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:12.960
Yeah, it's it's been a unique, but but you know, with James Gunn, you kind of expect a certain way to go, like with Guardian of the Galaxies or even the new Supergirl thing.
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:17.679
There's certain things that you see in all of his movies, and and it's been different, you know.
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:26.800
Um because now they're trying to tie it to the new Superman movie with uh Guy Garner, the the you know, the the Green Lantern in that one.
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:27.920
So they've got him in it.
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:28.880
So it's just unique.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:30.800
It's interesting how they tied it together.
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.800
But you know, I'm like one of those that I watch movies and shows to actually just shut my brain off.
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.679
Things that are too close to reality things I watch.
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.599
So it's Kyle Chandler, right?
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:47.280
I I'm looking about uh that's yeah, he was in uh Friday Night Lights and uh then Greenland.
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.320
Okay, all right, yeah, and he plays the part extremely well.
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:56.639
Um you know, and then you have the gentleman um that's his side, or well, he's gonna be the main guy he's gonna be.
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:01.519
And I can't remember his name, um, but he's he is fantastic in the show.
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.800
Um, but the way that they're doing it is just it's neat.
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.920
It's neat to see that.
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.800
And like I said, I I want to watch these things where it's you know, my kids are that can't happen.
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:12.639
I'm like, I know that's why I'm watching it.
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:13.119
Uh-huh.
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:14.880
Because I don't want reality.
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.440
I mean, we we we get inundated on the news, right?
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.599
We get inundated with all reality all the time.
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.920
Well, that's what entertainment, yes.
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:29.519
I I don't like it when they take a superhero story and they try and make it realistic, like I mean, sort of dark or whatever.
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:30.880
I just want it to be fun, you know.
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.880
I just want it to be enjoyable and glossy and escapism.
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.440
I don't want to be like uh the real problems that a superhero would have.
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:40.559
I don't care about that.
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:42.960
You know, I know about real pro I know about real problems.
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.960
Why do I want to have a you know Green Lantern is like his weakness, I mean, is is yellow.
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:49.920
I mean fear.
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:50.880
I mean, I don't know.
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:52.559
I mean, I think that's all of our weaknesses, right?
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:53.280
Fear.
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:54.079
Yeah.
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.360
We talked about that.
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:56.719
So yeah.
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.639
George, anything else you've watched or done since the last time we talked?
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:01.199
Spoke?
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:02.400
Oh man.
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:08.079
Um I don't know if you heard my last episode, our last episode, Tim, but I went on a He-Man rant.
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:09.119
I won't share it again because.
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:09.840
Oh, okay.
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:10.239
I got it.
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:12.079
I gotta I want to hear your take on that one.
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:16.239
Well, the the new He-Man movie, I don't know if you saw it, but it was I've seen it.
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.280
I just thought it was awful.
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:18.079
I thought it was terrible.
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:18.639
I agree.
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.679
I I I mean, it was just I'm glad you agree.
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:29.679
And because so we had a I had a friend from work and he was like, hey, he's like a He-Man, like he like, you know, was into it when he was little.
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.719
My wife was into it.
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:31.199
I don't know.
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:43.119
So we we watched it, the house, and by like halfway through, we're like, this is a dud, you know, and it's like it was so bad, I couldn't even tell if it was a like a farce or if it was supposed to be serious, you know.
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.280
If the is this a real product, or is it supposed to be almost like a Saturday Night Live skit?
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.400
It was so bad, you know, and the special effects were bad.
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:55.519
And the thing I went off on is they tried to make He-Man almost like a little feminine.
00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:06.639
Well, it's like the it's like the whip, the men were weak and the women were really strong, which that's not I mean, I'm not saying that's bad, but in this movie it's not what it's supposed to be, you know.
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:13.280
And the women don't have to be weak, the women don't have to be weak in the movie, but the hero is supposed to be strong, and he he was just a dud.
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:14.719
He was a doofus, you know.
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:16.079
Yeah, well, and that was the thing.
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:17.039
I mean, you know, he's gonna be a good one.
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:18.800
And he wanted to talk about his feelings.
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:23.599
He at one point he wanted to talk about his feelings with man in arms who had become an alcoholic.
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.920
And I'm like, I'm sorry, I started again, but tell me what you think about it.
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:38.079
No, I you know, I mean, the whole first part of the whole first part of the series was him trying to know, really, I'm a prince, I'm a prince, and it's like nobody knows in his world, you know.
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:45.599
And I mean, every other movie you're like that they show the guy and he doesn't want anybody to know, and and he's like telling trying to tell everybody who he is, you know.
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.800
And no, I it to me, and you know, Luke loved it.
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.679
So my 10-year-old was like, Oh, this is great, you know, but he doesn't understand all of it.
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.039
He doesn't know what he doesn't know.
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.320
That's right, that's right.
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.880
And so my my older son and I were just like in my and he was like, Was this what it was like?
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.199
And I said, Nothing like this, you know.
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:12.400
I mean, I thought it was an interesting take for him to begin to talk about as he was growing up, this is what he called everybody, so that's where they got their names, you know.
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:24.159
And um it was just an interesting, but I'm with you, and I you know, I I am all for strong women, I really am, but at the detriment of men being men, that's what I I take exception to.
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:28.719
Well, in the same fashion, I wouldn't want a movie where the men are strong and the women are doofuses.
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:43.840
But you know, they made it they made this movie where and as I remember in the original cartoon, there were men and women, heroes and heroines, and and even Skeletor was super evil, and but in this he was just a doofus too.
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:52.000
It was just like they it was just the whole thing, was just I mean, if they were trying to make it into a sarcastic or farce, then that's fine.
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:57.760
But it was just kind of like and then and then I went off on too on how do you remember the old He-Man movie?
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.440
I don't know if you remember old He-Man movie, how muscular Dolph Lundgren was.
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:11.519
Like he played He-Man and he was just ripped, and then this guy was kind of like kind of like a male model, you know, with a little, a little softy, and I was just kind of like not impressed.
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:18.400
Yeah, well, if you see him, see him in some other movies that he's done, you can tell that he's added on a lot of muscle from those other movies.
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.159
He definitely looked like he worked.
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.840
I mean, I'm not saying he didn't work out.
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:25.760
He just they could have-the it wasn't the size that you were thinking he-man.
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.599
I mean, this is he-man, goodness, man.
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:29.679
And logical he-man.
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:31.519
You know, with the trainers.
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:37.679
You know, with the trainers they have now, you know, they could have gotten him into some sort of shape.
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:38.800
Well, I would think about that.
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.880
Remember that maybe 300 the 300?
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:42.960
Yeah, uh, you know, they were just all ripped up.
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:44.320
He could have looked like that.
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.599
You know, well, I mean, let's face it, every you know, 299 of those guys could have been on there and been He-Man.
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:51.760
I uh a hundred percent.
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:53.199
I mean, because they were big.
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.199
They were, I mean, they were filled out, man.
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.320
Yeah, and I don't know if he was still trying because you know, he had to play Adam, and then he had to play He-Man.
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:10.880
So, I mean, he still had to play that part where he was, you know, the the the the nerd Adam that was always talking to the the boss that was mean to him, and you know, his feelings were hurt.
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.519
And yeah, it was just yeah, it was interesting.
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.840
Yeah, his yeah, he was he had his he was into his feelings a lot, you know.
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.559
And I mean, give him the Captain America treatment, right?
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:22.559
What happened with uh with with Chris Evans?
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.360
It's like he was so skinny and wimpy through CGI stuff.
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.400
It's like do that with him and then get a you know, this enormous guy.
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:30.239
I mean, just a good point, yeah.
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.159
Or CGI some muscles on him.
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.960
I mean, either way, just make it, yeah, do something.
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.719
Did you see speaking of muscles?
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:38.880
Did you see the new the live action Moana?
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:44.000
Uh with no uh yeah, no, but with uh yeah, Dwayne Johnson.
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:45.280
Yeah, okay.
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:45.920
No, yeah.
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.119
I had a hard time with that one just because Dwayne Johnson usually is a pretty big guy, right?
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:56.079
But they had they put a they put a big suit on him so that he looked even bigger to be.
00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:59.679
Yeah, I have seen pre I've seen clips of that.
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.559
My my brain couldn't disassociate the the the the muscle suit from you know Dwayne Johnson's usual.
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:07.440
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:08.719
He doesn't need that.
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:14.400
He's one of the biggest ripped guys out there to be anything, yeah, anything extra, really.
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:14.800
Sorry.
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.599
But I think it's been kind of I don't know, uh Dave Batista, you know.
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:19.360
I was just about to talk about him.
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:20.239
Have you noticed him?
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:21.440
He's turning into an old woman.
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:22.079
He looks like B.
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:23.280
Arthur from the Golden Girl.
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:25.840
What is he doing?
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:26.639
I don't know.
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:27.199
I don't know.
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.719
But he's I mean, night and day different from what he was.
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:31.280
It's weird.
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:38.000
I don't know if it's because he's trying to play different roles or what, but well, you know, when he used to be a wrestler, he was massive and huge.
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:46.480
And you know, I mean, I do know, I mean, uh the to to look that way all the time, that's like a full that's basically a full-time job to look that way.
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:47.920
You know that better than anybody.
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:48.400
I mean, really.
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.480
I I would I would if I looked that way, maybe.
01:00:52.559 --> 01:01:00.079
But anyway, he uh anyway, it is a hard, it's a lot, and so maybe he decided that you want to put all that time into it.
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:00.880
Yeah.
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:07.119
But now he's turning into like he's wearing like women's pantsuits and pearls.
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:12.800
It's just I mean, it's one thing to slim down, but I don't know what his clothes are, it's just weird.
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:13.360
I don't know.
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:14.159
Well, I don't like it.
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:19.679
I think for me the thing is it's like, you know, you be you, you do your thing, but his brand has never been that.
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.760
That's never, you know, that's uh from Dax the destroyer to that.
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:26.000
I mean, it's like Yeah, I know.
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:39.679
I was just I would I wasn't sure if I was gonna bring him up because I didn't know if anybody would else know about his like look of his transformation, but yeah, he looks bizarre, and then he look he just looks like an he looks like a middle-aged woman now or 70-year-old woman.
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:40.079
I don't know.
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.079
It's just very very strange.
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:44.639
Well, it's different, it's it's a lot different than up.
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.960
It is a different transformation, yeah.
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.679
Yeah, I don't I don't like pearls on men.
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.159
I mean, I just well, I mean No.
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.760
Yeah, I I I I there's a lot like I told you, I mean, fashion, right?
01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:58.639
It's not my thing.
01:01:58.719 --> 01:01:59.760
So I'm the last guy.
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:01.519
You you can talk about that, Philip.
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:03.199
I I'm the last guy to talk fashion.
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:08.239
I mean, I've still got clothes from back before I was married that my wife was throwing away.
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:14.239
So if I mean, like for instance, I mean, I'm pretty like metrosexual in my fashion.
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.719
I mean, I'll I'll but if I think it's too much, then it's too much.
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.760
So you need to you need to scale it back if I think it's too out there.
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:27.039
Because I'm a little out there for most most of the things.
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.440
Yeah, if you think it's out there, then it's out there.
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:29.760
Yeah.
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.199
I think you've got great taste.
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.559
I I don't know that I can ever pull that off, but I mean, even with your house that you guys built, I mean I just think it's great taste.
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.559
I told you that when you were showing me pictures of it.
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:39.039
Thanks.
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:49.519
Well, a lot so uh when I was growing up, I mean, like I always liked to bright clothes, I don't know why, but then I was like, you know, people think, oh, that's weird, or what I drive.
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:51.679
Then I just decided I'm gonna wear what I want to wear.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.760
And then as I made a little more money, I was like, I'm just gonna buy what I want to buy within reason.
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.280
Uh and then I was just like, I'm gonna, you know, that's what I want to do.
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:00.719
If you don't like it, that's fine.
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:01.760
You don't have to like it.
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:06.079
But I do think there's sometimes I put something on, I'm like, Jennifer, is this okay?
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.239
And just like, no, you don't know.
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:09.199
And I'm like, okay.
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.199
Sometimes I have to scale myself back.
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:16.559
But if I'm saying you look too metro, then you're too metro.
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:18.880
You know, if it's too much for me, it's too much for me.
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.840
And we need to we need to rethink our fashion.
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.039
So well, I'm like I told we started this conversation.
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.559
I'm a different generation, right?
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:28.159
I mean, it's it's me too.
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:29.039
I mean, I I see things.
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.760
But we're about the same, but we're about the same age, you and I.
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:32.239
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.280
Well, but that's what I'm saying.
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:37.039
I mean that's why I that's why I look to you and I'm like, oh, you're great at this, me.
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.000
Me, I'm like, oh, I don't think I can pull that off, you know.
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.400
I mean Well, we all have our talents.
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.400
I don't know if that's a big talent or Instagram.
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:46.000
They don't want to see this, you know.
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.800
I mean You're a West Texas man.
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.679
Yeah, I mean, they don't want to see this, you know, whatever.
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.960
But but Phillips on there, you know, he's got the body, the flex, the everything.
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.400
It's like, people want to look at that.
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:58.960
And then it does help that he fills out the clothes, yes.
01:03:59.199 --> 01:03:59.840
Oh, 100%.
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.800
That's so that's the reason I couldn't wear half that stuff.
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.119
I did that, but it's just differently.
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.119
I thought if I'm gonna wear pink pants, they're gonna look good on me.
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:14.400
So it's okay for me to do, I feel like, and no one's gonna comment on like what I wear.
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.599
So I thought I'm just gonna do that, I'm gonna do me and do what I want to wear.
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:18.880
So that's that.
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:22.320
The only other thing that I've been watching, you probably aren't into British Mysteries.
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:29.199
I know that, I know George isn't, but I watch, we've started watching the show called Tommy and Tuppets on, or Tuppets and Tommy.
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:36.960
Tommy and Tuppets, it's on um uh Brit Box, which probably no one else watches either, but it's based on Agatha Christie novels.
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:42.239
And it's a man, it's a man and a woman, or it's a guy and a gal, and they solve crimes.
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.039
And it used to be some novels that Agatha Christie wrote.
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:51.119
Now they've like modernized it and made it where it's two people now, and they are solving crimes.
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.039
And we love Jennifer and I love stuff like that.
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:57.360
We love British mysteries, um, and it's been really entertaining and good.
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:05.119
I don't always like it though, modernized, because in the book it was like in the 20s and 30s, 40s, you know, that time period.
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:08.880
And so that was like, there's just a I guess a vibe or feeling of that.
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.679
Now they've made it kind of modern and it's a little bit edgier, but still it's some good mystery.
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.519
So I like I like the British mystery.
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.239
It's like they're doing they're reinterpreting everything, right?
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.440
Well, you know, nobody can come up with new ideas anymore, you know.
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:22.239
And everything has to be.
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.719
Well, the Bible clearly says there's nothing new under the sun, right?
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:25.679
You're right.
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:26.960
And they have to moderate.
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.760
Yeah, that's why when people are like, oh well, did you come up with it?
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:30.079
Nope.
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.719
Somebody probably somebody smarter than I did came up with it.
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:33.599
I just use it.
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:34.880
Way back in the past.
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:35.360
Yeah.
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:35.840
Yep.
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:36.639
That's awesome.
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.880
Well, George, do you have anything else for Tim?
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:40.079
Uh, I don't.
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:40.719
I don't.
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:43.519
Um, I did see a movie called Primetime.
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.719
It's kind of dark and it's not near as glossy.
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:47.920
Who's in that?
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:49.599
It's with Robert Patterson.
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:56.320
I went to the movie theater the other day uh last week, and um it's uh basically a movie about that.
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.840
I don't remember this this TV show in the early 2000s.
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:01.199
How to catch a predator.
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:02.800
Yeah, do you remember that?
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:04.559
Yes, yeah.
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:05.840
And that's pretty much what this was about.
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.920
Yeah, well, Steve Hansen, was it Steve Hansen that was the catch the predator guy?
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:11.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.519
I saw a deal where he was like, man, it really wasn't that dramatic.
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:17.840
Did he say that?
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:23.199
Yeah, they made it out to be really dramatic, and he was like, Oh yeah, it never really was that dramatic.
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:24.159
Yeah, yeah, no.
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.519
They made it out to be pretty dramatic.
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:27.440
But the context is kind of dark.
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.679
And so the movie plays into this immoral conundrum.
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:36.400
So what like what what I guess what track does it take?
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.559
I mean, is it like following the reporter?
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.599
Is it following like a predator that gets caught?
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:53.280
Or what so it follows basically Chris Hansen and some of the other producers and on the production set and well you said it was dark, so I didn't know maybe it was on the point of view of the person getting caught, you know.
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.039
So I don't know No, it wasn't.
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:55.840
It wasn't.
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.320
But the you know it in order to get more views and to get better time.
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.519
Well, and in our world today, right?
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.400
I mean, they they need their voice too.
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:07.840
I mean, that's kind of how it was.
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.119
I mean, I that's kind of surprising they didn't take that slant to it.
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:11.920
Yeah, yeah.
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:14.719
So the other night I have a quick quick story.
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:21.119
The other night we went to a discussion about let's maybe uh I'll oh anyway, I'll share the story.
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:22.400
Anyway, so we went to discussion.
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:28.800
It was a it was a college that was kind of recruiting for people and so or like for Alex to try and go there.
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:44.880
So Jennifer and I went to dinner and they were just kind of talking about the school, and we were getting to know these two recruiter people, and one of the guys to the right said, Hey, I grew up in Wyoming, and uh the gal running it said, you know, I was just went through I I barely went through Wyoming.
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:52.159
I was just driving from Washington to Florida with a trailer full of 17 kids, and I said, Are you a human trafficker?
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:57.679
She goes, She goes, Oh no, it was going to church camp and it was the kids weren't in the trailer.
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.159
And I was just like, that sounded really weird.
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.599
Anyway, that's what I pictured of when I thought of the Predator deal.
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:08.639
Then they're then they're probably like, We don't want your kid to come to our school.
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:16.560
And English is is supposed to be spoken a certain way so that you understand it.
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:17.039
Yeah.
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:22.399
I think she meant 17 kids and a trailer, maybe not in the trailer.
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:23.600
Anyway, go ahead.
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:24.720
We're gonna say something, George.
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:27.520
Oh, I do have one last question for uh for Tim.
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.479
Uh you talked about being an avid reader, so am I.
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.399
Are there like two, five books that you would recommend?
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.000
Oh, yeah, put me on the spot now.
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:38.720
I gotta remember the title.
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.159
No, I did say a little bit on the spot.
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.000
You gotta think about it, it's okay.
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:43.840
I can go with the funny school answer.
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.039
You know, the Bible, it's a great one.
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:46.159
The Bible's a great one.
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:47.600
Within it.
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:49.840
George doesn't George doesn't mess with the Bible.
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.880
He's just got it all up here.
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:56.800
Yeah, that well, that's good.
01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:58.960
Um, let me let me think.
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:04.000
Because that's um, you know, that's probably my least um strongest area is knowing titles.
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:05.359
Um yeah.
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.560
I um lately trying to think of a golly.
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.640
See, I'm gonna I'm gonna look horrible now because I can't.
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.439
You're an avid reader, but you can't remember the titles, dude.
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:16.079
That's okay.
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:16.720
I don't either.
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:18.479
Are you more nonfiction or fiction?
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:19.199
Non-fiction.
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.079
I can't read fiction.
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:25.760
Um any more than I can, you know, this whole idea of having streaming services where you you binge.
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:33.279
I I am the most binge-worthy dude, and and I'll I'll binge until I'm, you know, it's like five o'clock in the morning and I'm working that day, and we've been up all night.
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.000
And um, so fiction books are that way for me.
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:41.840
In fact, I I I got um I think I lost a job because I was reading a fiction book during the job.
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Uh I couldn't put it down.
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Um, you know, I I used to work at swimming pools and I and I think I lost a job because I just couldn't put it down.
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Um, and so at night I have to read nonfiction books.
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Um and a lot of them um are based on um, you know, I don't not necessarily self-help, but I'm reading one right now, the multiplication factor.
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Um, and it's uh it's basically uh a Christian view on business.
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And um the gentleman has started his business and he's talking about, I think there's 12 different laws that he's talking about in there based on God and based on you know what what he talks about in the scriptures and and kind of those sorts of things.
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And his whole goal is that you partner with God and you partner with Christ to be a part of your business, and that's where I I'm kind of trying to look at more ways that I can do that and and maybe become more uh bold in that.
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Um because I I've lost that somewhere along the way.
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So it's it's and oddly enough, you know, my son, my oldest son, is the one that got this book, and he's been, you know, he read it and it was just sitting there and I I ran out of because I I I I read one on the uh breaking the um uh the age code or something like that was the other one that I because I I read a lot on that level, and this that one was about ageism and things like that, but I had finished it up and and and I wanted a new one, and so I just picked this one up, and it's actually been a decent read.
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Um I think he's a gentleman that started his own business when he first came out of high school.
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Um he was gonna go into OT school, but he decided he he heard a pastor talk, and the guy talked to him or an evangelist, and he talked about how there's gonna be people in this room that are going to go make money to further the kingdom, you know, because I think us as believers, we always think that you know, well, uh, you know, you have that whole prosperity doctrine, but yes, other folks are along the lines of, well, okay, I I I'm not really, I don't need to make money, right?
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We we think about the scripture that talks about the love of money being a root to all kinds of evil, you know, and and we kind of internalize that that if I make money, it's a bad thing.
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Um, and his whole premise is the idea that no, we're furthering the kingdom when you have money.
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You know, I've always joked with my kids, it's like one of the reasons I don't have money is because I'll give it away in a heartbeat.
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In fact, that was the hard well, that was the hardest thing that I had coming into business was the idea that I used to treat people for free.
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When I was at the Health Sciences Center, that's how I got started treating TMJ stuff or TMD stuff, is that um there was nobody doing it, and I had dentists start to send people to free or to me over there for and I would do it for free.
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And I would just treat them there while I was you know in between classes and not teach them.
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And then when I opened up, it's like, oh yeah, we won't charge.
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Oh yeah, we're good.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sorry, Philip, I didn't do that for you.
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But we but but there was a point where Rebecca said, um, you know, you there's a five of us and you and we need to make a living because we need to eat.
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And and I mean, you know, if if you saw our finances, we're not we're not going to hobbo and doing all kinds of stuff.
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We're living um and we're eating and you know, staying healthy.
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And that's kind of where we're at.
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And and you know, we I had to become and have a better relationship with that, which is why I beg began reaching and and learning about money and and looking at money from a different perspective.
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Because, you know, that was and unfortunately I took and this is I guess something about me is I took an oath early on not to be like my dad when it came to money.
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And um I took it too far, right?
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I don't think that I don't think it's ever healthy for a Christian to take an oath against something, especially your parents.
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Um, because as I got older, I learned my dad was just doing the best he could with what he had to work with, right?
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As I got to know who his dad was, who his dad's dad was, and I began to realize my dad actually did pretty good, all things considered.
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Um, and so I had to relearn some things and relearn, you know, money is a tool, but it's one that if you don't have, you can't use.
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And so um you've got to have a good relationship with it.
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And I and I've tried to teach that to my kiddos a lot differently than I was raised with it.
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You know, we were we were raised to scrape pennies and to do things and to have money, you know, all kinds of stuff.
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Now, the cool thing for my mom, when my dad passed away, she had a lot of problems, but money wasn't one of them.
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I just didn't want to get to that point by doing it the way that he did it.
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Yeah.
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I think there's now that we're on that topic for a second, I think it's there's two spectrums with Christians.
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You know, I think some are can be really greedy and very, you know, hoarding.
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But then I also think, yeah, people, but then I also think that some can go the extreme of, you know, hey, God's gonna provide.
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I, you know, I'm just gonna let God provide.
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:31.439
Well, then what it means is other Christians have to provide that actually did save their money, you know.
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So um there's gotta be a happy medium.
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You God will provide, but you gotta put the work into, you know, you you have to do the nuts and bolts of either saving it, budgeting it, working, making something that will, you know, that's gonna that is gonna feed your family.
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You know, there's just a there's a happy medium, there's a line, and then that way when you do have an excess, you can help others in that way or give it back, you know, some well and and the way that I've come to understand that is I've got to be a good steward, right?
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And and I haven't been being a good steward of what I've been given.
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And that's where I'm in the process of learning that myself.
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.319
Um, and you know, you you you you talk about the the two ends of the spectrum.
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I mean, yes, when we become Christians, we're not of this world, right?
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We're in the world, but we're not of it, but we're still humans, right?
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We still we're the second, you know, we we we still were part of the first Adam until the second Adam came along.
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And you know, it's one of those things that we still have those sinful natures and those sinful desires to for certain things.
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And and that's where I think too in today's world, and it's gonna get worse where people look at Christians as being this negative thing, um, we're still humans, right?
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And we still make mistakes, and that's where as being good stewards of what God has given us, He will entrust more, right?
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And that's kind of where I'm at is trying to learn to be a better steward of what I've got and know that you need to save, you need to be able to put money here, do this, do that.
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:56.079
There's smarter ways to do it versus just working harder.
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Yeah.
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I think like for me, like I've always been pretty heavily commissioned in my sales jobs, and I used to always, I mean, years and years ago, I always figure I would take one of my months and multiply it times 12.
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This is how I'm gonna make how much is I'm gonna make this year.
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And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna make more than last year, and I was just so obsessed with it.
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And then I just was like, it was just like a hamster wheel, and I just thought, I'm just not gonna worry about that, and I'm just gonna work, do the best I can.
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If we don't have an extra whatever, whatever, I don't care, you know, whatever.
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And then I actually got I feel like I was more blessed then after that.
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So I don't, you know, sometimes it just becomes a you know, it's just it's just uh, you know, you cannot be focused on it all the time, but you do have to pay attention to it too.
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It's kind of a you know, both those things.
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So well, you know, for me too, and it kind of goes back to what we talked about at the very first was the idea that when I left the health science center, I took a huge pay cut.
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You know, everybody thinks you go into business for yourself, and you're you're getting, you know, I I I I you know I still I I made so much more at the health science center than I am now, that it's like I'm doing this because I love it.
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I don't I'm not doing it for the money.
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If I was, I would have stayed where I was at.
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Uh but you are supporting your family, you are supporting your family.
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I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.
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Right.
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And we're we're doing, you know, okay.
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If if financial advisor looked at us, they'd be like, dude, we need to think about some things.
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They all say that.
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Don't worry, they all say that.
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I've got a oh well, I know.
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I've got to do it.
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If you're not, if you're if you're not, if you don't have five million in retirement by 30, you're a failure.
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:29.279
So but that but that's also how they make money is you investing with them.
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So anyway, that's my two steps.
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I get it, I get it.
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And that's where you know, for us, it's like I again, I I would be doing something totally different if it was about money, you know.
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Right, right.
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And that's where it's kind of a unique thing.
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Um, but I'm doing it because I really truly do love it.
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And I and I love to work with people, you know.
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Um now it's just about figuring out all the details.
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Yeah, and that's kind of where I that you know, where we're at as a family, but also because we're also now we have two kids in college, you know.
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I've got one in high school and I've got one in in elementary school, you know, very planned.
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:02.079
Everybody's like, oh, you had a plus one.
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No, very planned, very planned.
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You know, God gave you a surprise.
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But but we we we just we had some Rebecca had some difficult pregnancies, and so we didn't know if we wanted to do and have our, you know, we were wanting five or six kids when we first started.
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Uh, we had one miscarriage and then we ended up waiting a while and we ended up having Lou uh for our fourth child.
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But you know, there's a 10-year gap between my 20-year-old and my 10-year-old.
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So we've seen the gamut of how things have changed in that 10-year span, you know, with kids and all kinds of stuff.
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Um But it's you know, it you have to meet them where they're at, all through each one of those stages of their lives.
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:52.239
And it's just a unique thing for us because our whole world has just when I got out of Health Science Center, um, you know, my wife is a nurse by by profession, and so she stopped nursing um before we opened up, about two years before we opened up.
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Um, but then she works for me.
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And I always joke, and I'm like, you know, if I gave her a five-dollar raise tomorrow, she'd be making five dollars, you know, because it's she does it because she loves being here and wants to be a part of what we're doing, right?
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:05.840
Yeah, yeah.
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.239
Um, but it's one of those things that life is tough enough.
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:15.279
I think that's you know, one of the things that's beneficial about being a Christian is having other Christians to go through it with.
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:16.880
Yeah, that's exactly right.
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:17.920
That's exactly right.
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:21.680
Hey, well, Tim, I think it's been an excellent interview, and we appreciate you talking with us.
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:22.640
I think it's been great.
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Yeah, I got to know a lot about you, I didn't know, and uh it's been a great time.
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So um we hope you have the best success for your practice.
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But anyway.
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No, I just gotta make sure I didn't say anything incriminating.
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:53.600
I don't think you did, but we can always we can always edit everybody, you know, we've had several guests and always then later go, hey, can you edit out that part that I said about whatever it was?
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Yeah.
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So anyway, it's not I mean, and uh, but no, it was a great interview.
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We had a great time.
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So I um appreciate you doing this for us.
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We'd loved it.
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So yeah, heck yeah.
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Thank y'all for for uh allowing me to be a part of it.
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So you bet, you bet.
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