Gavin Konop and the Spiderman Lotus Saga

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Rare Wave.
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Number eight.
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Justin Harry.
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Welcome to Rare Wave, where we read only the rarest of waves.
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I'm your host, Justin, and today we have a very special episode.
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I don't really have an opening monologue because I couldn't write it down, and honestly, I keep messing up, so whatever.
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Anyway, um uh I want to welcome our hosts, our second host actually of the podcast.
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He's a phenomenal guy who um is a guy, I think.
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Anyway, please welcome Greg Neely to the podcast.
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What's up, dude?
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What's up, Doc?
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And we're back.
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Dude, nice, nice to nice too.
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What is this?
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Is this real?
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Yes, it's a sweater.
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I don't know if that's a sweater or just a very thick shirt.
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Eh, it's a mix of both.
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You know what I mean?
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Really?
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Yeah, we're improvising today.
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It's good though.
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Yeah, it's comfort.
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I feel like you should uh I feel like you should get like uh like cowboy boots or something.
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Yeah, no, we're gonna no.
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I I could see you with some cowboy boots, bro.
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I think you'd look very, very hot.
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I'm not excited for our guests today, dude.
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Oh, yeah.
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Dude, well, no, I'm hyped.
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Come on.
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Okay, let's get- you know what?
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Should we just welcome him?
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Sure, yeah.
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Honestly, this is we're wasting time here.
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There we are.
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This man is uh it's a lot of Oh, yeah, I wasn't.
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Sorry.
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We'll discuss that later.
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Okay, anyway, uh this this man is uh a lot of things, honestly.
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Uh director, writer, producer, um film.
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What what else are you?
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What did you say?
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Editor.
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Editor, editor?
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Yeah that's good.
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Sound designer.
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Sound designer.
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Yankees fan.
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Are you a father yet?
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Yankees fan.
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I'm a father yet.
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Father, that you know?
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Uh I'm just kidding.
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Nice.
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Um please welcome to Rarewave.
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Our first our second guest.
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Our first real guest.
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Shout out to Danny, we love you.
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Uh, please welcome Gavin.
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Okay, how do you say your last name?
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Kanop.
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Kanop.
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I was gonna say that, but I was like, there's a slight chance that it's not.
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Alright, anyway, please welcome Gavin Kanop to the state, god dang it.
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Yeah, what's going on?
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Thank you, man.
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Oh my goodness, dude.
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What's up, dude?
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Good to see you, man.
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Oh my goodness.
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Thank you, thank you.
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Dude, I gotta tell you, when we first uh when I first well, when I first saw you, I was like, that is a nice shirt as well.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that.
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You're welcome anytime.
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Is that an Apple Watch?
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This is an Apple Watch.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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I like your watch too.
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Oh, it's not an Apple Watch.
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You know, it's genuine plastic, actually.
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Does it work?
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It does work.
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Right now it's seven something.
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Yeah.
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It kind of works.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, I like to go old school.
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I like, I like the, you know, but I I think you can like switch up the bands, right?
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Like you can do the bands with that.
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An Apple Watch?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you can.
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Okay.
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It's pretty cool.
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I haven't done it yet.
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How long have you had that one for?
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Probably like a year.
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Oh, sweet.
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So it's pretty nice.
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It's very helpful.
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Like I don't have to check my phone for messages.
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Check right here.
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It's really nice.
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You can also run on it.
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You just hit play.
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You can run on your apple.
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Oh, you're saying with it.
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Yeah, no, literally, just hit play.
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You don't need to measure distance, it does it for you.
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Yeah.
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That's all.
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Track your sleep.
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Exactly.
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All your vitals.
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Yeah.
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The vitals part is kind of insane.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's and it tracks like how long you're asleep for.
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So you can keep track of that.
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It's very nice.
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I see my awful sleep schedule every day.
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Exactly.
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It's so funny.
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Especially for if you're filming if you're a filmmaker, you're an editor, you don't really sleep at all.
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Oh yeah, there we go.
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Not very, not very good.
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Yeah.
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We'll get into that, but when did you s get like when do you edit your movie?
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Like, are you a morning person, night person, midday person?
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Really, like no particular time.
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I do edit overnight a lot.
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Oh shoot.
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I'll start editing at like 8 p.m.
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It'll be like just a couple hours.
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Yeah.
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And then I'll see the sun like rising outside.
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Oh shit.
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Like the line king.
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Ah, so you're like, what the frick?
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Like, holy yeah, it's pretty, pretty insane.
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Like, time really flies when you're editing.
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Um when you're especially if it's like your own project.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And you're just like constant, like all you're thinking about is like what you're working on.
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Yeah.
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You're imagining like what you're gonna do.
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And then yeah, just like the time goes by really quick.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, I think um I think that I'm the same way with like any sort of like when I was really into recording music, like one of the my favorite songs that like I ever did was uh a song called Life Without You that kind of blew up with Snowpurdo.
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I got 3,000 plays on Spotify.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's not impressive.
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Also, I want to explain something.
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Will you all just unsad in the showerless thing?
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So it's what helps what helps is you kind of just let it kind of just then kind of play on loop.
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Tell us a little bit uh about yourself or like how you got into this this whole filmmaking process in our life.
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Well, when I was super young, um I think a lot of kids, like from my generation, got into stop motion, like with like Legos and toys and things like that, because I had no other way to take a picture like every second, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So I I was really into like the show Lego Ninjago.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I've actually been into it like again, like the past month.
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I'm kind of embarrassed to tell anybody because it's for like five-year-olds.
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Yeah.
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I've been like listening to the the score and anyway.
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I'm super I'm super into that show.
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Um and so I had all my like Lego Ninjago movie um like figures.
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Yeah.
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And so I do a lot of stop motions there, and then I got a game called Little Big Planet, which I feel like have you yes, did we talk about that at some point?
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I don't maybe, I don't know.
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But I've got that game where you could make your own movies on there.
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And so I learned, like, weirdly, I learned a lot about filmmaking through that.
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Um, that game.
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I did a lot of Spider-Man movies on there that'll never see the light of day.
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I did it.
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Wait, so that is like how old are you when it's happening, like 10?
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About seven, eight.
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Seven.
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Bro, because I'm gonna be honest, I was kind of not like I was kind of looking at your YouTube and you have a you uh a video of you and your is it your brother?
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Yeah, me and my brother were lightsaber fighting?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that was um I was like 10 or 11 when I when I made that one.
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Yeah.
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That's when I got my first like iPod.
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Yeah.
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And I got like the lightsaber app where you like track the lightsabers and everything.
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Yeah.
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My brother was like, I dragged him out to do the fights and he was pissed off the whole time.
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Really?
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Oh come on, like let me try this out.
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We use like like the PlayStation Move controllers for lightsabers because we didn't have real lightsabers.
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Yeah, but see that I feel like as a parent, I'm not a parent, I don't think, but I think that um looking at I know I'm not.
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Um but looking at like uh like your kids and being like, okay, cool, you're they're using technology, but also being creative and going outside.
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Yeah, because I feel like I mean you're what 22?
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22.
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Yeah, we're we're 24, so like we're not we're pretty much the same generation.
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So like yeah, being outside, I feel like now like I haven't seen a kid outside doing anything in like ever.
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Yeah.
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So that's kind of cool.
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I only really see kids like on their like motorbikes or their motor scooters, but I don't see kids riding like real bikes anymore.
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Yeah, I just see like the electric ones.
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I know.
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Uh but yeah, man.
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I I like I used to work at a grocery store and I would constantly see like little kids in the carts like on their iPads.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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And they'd just be scrolling on like TikTok and Instagram, and I'd be like, bro, you you're like three.
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The worst is the combination of kids that are on their iPads and they got the little backpack leash.
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Have you seen that?
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The backpack leaves?
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I think that's Charlie Peeps, I'll be honest.
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It's disrespectful, bro.
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Yeah, that's that's like a that's another level.
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Yeah.
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Kids just doing whatever, you're holding the leash, you're not even looking at it.
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Yeah.
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No, I would not let my kid have like technology or an iPad.
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Like on TikTok, they're scrolling on TikTok and they're like four.
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Like that's melting their brains away.
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I feel like we got maybe a little bit of less normalcy.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because like flip phones were still a thing when I was a kid.
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Like it was like iPod once I was more getting into high school and everything.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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I had a little flip phone when I was like eight.
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Yeah, same.
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Like I didn't I didn't have like I didn't get an iPod until I was like, yeah, like 10.
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So yeah, so anyway, I did a lot of stuff like I'd get my brother, my friends, and we'd film little little movies.
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Um has it always been your like main passion?
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Like you knew like this is just for me, this is what I want to do.
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Yeah, my my parents tell me a lot that like they they've never had to worry about like what I want to do because I've kind of expressed the same thing my whole life.
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And I'm really I'm really lucky to to have that because you know it it for a lot of people it takes some you gotta go through college and you know figure out what you want to do.
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23 years.
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It takes a lot, and you know, I still haven't really you know gotten where I want to go, but I have a very one-track sort of you know mindset with I don't have a plan B, which I think is like essential for it.
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But yeah, you know, it just developed when I got to high school, I had access to you know better equipment and better resources and things like that.
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And I just sort of followed the whatever was guiding me the whole time and didn't really think twice about what I wanted to do.
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So I've just kind of kept pursuing that and I don't have a if I don't make it then my life is not my life.
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It's gotta be this, you know?
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It has to be.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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So as far as like um because talking about social media and everything, like, because yeah, I didn't honestly I didn't have anything really until like well I had a phone when I was like 11 and then I went ham on it, and my parents were like, nope, and then they took it away.
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Yeah, we don't even get into that.
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But let's just say my brother's a freaking uh snitches.
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Snitch.
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He's a snitch.
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Uh I love him.
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Anyway, um, but yeah, so um, so was that like were you on any social media as a kid?
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Or like were you just I I wasn't allowed to have Instagram until I was I think s I think I was like 12.
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Okay.
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So pretty like normal time for free kids at that time.
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Yeah.
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Um and I but I had a personal account.
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I didn't really do like fan accounts or anything like that for a while.
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Yeah.
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Except for my YouTube channel.
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Yeah.
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Because I have videos uploaded on there.
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Yeah.
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But like that was the only one.
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Instagram I just posted like for my friends.
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Yeah, because I'm trying to figure out like how did you kind of cause it it I feel like it has been like I mean you don't really pop off, I feel like, unless you did like at 16 with like a kind of a cult following.
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Like, was it gradual?
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Did you post things on like certain forums or like certain like fan accounts or whatever?
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Yeah, it's start like I I made a I made I made a fan account when I was like 14.
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Spider-Man fan account.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I would I was a little fucking menace on there.
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Yeah.
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I was like I was a I was uh very opinionated about Spider-Man and I was very vocal about how I felt about you know certain movies or interpretations of them or whatever.
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I was a little little chronically online kid around high school.
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Yeah um and so I I built a platform through just being so opinionated and and loud in the community.
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Yeah.
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Um and as time went on, you know, I stopped being so like negative because I would criticize a lot of a lot of stuff, you know, when I was younger.
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And I it developed over time into being more productive and like pitching what I would do with the character as opposed to what I don't like about certain interpretations.
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So I turned it into a positive thing, and I think that's how I kind of built more of a platform is when I when I pivoted towards you know being productive and like you know, okay, if I'm not satisfied with what they're doing, then um I I can pitch what what I would what I would do.
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Right.
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You know, and I think that that was more that that was more communal and and positive, and people were able to like follow that.
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You know, it it wasn't so you know toxic the way I was like when I was 14, I was just a little just a little unlikable, man.
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Like get them out of here.
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Yeah.
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Was it was it so was it on Twitter or was it like uh or like because I'm just trying to because I because I yeah, I didn't really besides like Instagram and then like I guess now TikTok, I never like got into the forums or like the going back and forth on a thing.
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Yeah, really Instagram.
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Oh Instagram, okay, yeah.
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And like I man, I would like I would get into I would get into little wars on there with other accounts and beef and drama and make enemies and it was just a whole it's a it's weird to look back on because I I'm less I'm way less online now than I than I used to be and I live more in the real world and so to like look back and think I was part of like this digital world that wasn't real and I was like buried in it all the time and like that consumed the majority of my days.
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Um it's really really strange to look back on because that's that's something that hasn't happened in human history before to have like an alternate you know world that you've that you're part of, you know what I mean?
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Well, I think that's partly what we we were saying earlier with our generation because yeah, dude, I mean we've progressively uh I was listening to actually Rogan was talking about this, and like who is the greatest generation in time in terms of like what we're getting at such a rapid pace.
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You think about like the greatest generation, they saw like a horse and buggy, and then they saw like, you know, 1940s radios, television.
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I think there's something crazy about the internet to where we go, all right, cool.
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We already had like phones, we had cars and whatnot, but there's something about the internet, bro, that's like a curse and a blessing at the same time where you can literally have anything, like any information wise it within a snap of your finger.
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Yeah.
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Like I remember, yeah, I remember never mind, I'm not gonna get into that, but yeah.
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No, I mean what I've noticed is like the trajectory of the world is just getting quicker, quicker, quicker with everything.
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You know, because I I I appreciate the process of doing research on something and having to dig for something, and you know, because you learn a lot in that journey.
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Yeah.
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And I've I've had to really scale back on, you know, AI was really enticing at first because it was so quick, yeah.
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You could get your answer really fast.
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Yeah.
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But I I think you you lose a lot of, you know, that you know, letting your the cogs in your brain turn when you're researching.
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You go into a a library and you know, you do really manual research and you learn a lot on during that.
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But with with AI, it's so yeah instantaneous and they're just continually trying to speed up the world, you know, and the the rate that we consume things and and do things and just trying to increase uh output all the time.
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Yeah.
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No, yeah, I I kind of liken it to I feel like a uh you know, like in math where like I just use a calculator, but you don't like realize that your brain is that muscle is being developed.
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So then it yeah, you're applying it to math in this part, but then there's something about like people that are really good at mental math, those are the type of people that are really great at problem solving because they're just going, okay, cool, this is that.
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I suck at math, so I'm like obviously like you know Greg's good at math, he could do mental math.
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Like Greg, what's 10 plus 10?
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12.
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See?
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Damn, that was quick.
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That's crazy, dude.
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Here, here, give him one, give him one.
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It's a gift.
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What's two times four?
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Six.
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Dude.
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Holy shit.
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I thought no, it's eight.
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Wait.
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No, it was a joke.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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See, I'm slow sliding.
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It's crazy.
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But Justin was always very good at school.
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Oh, yeah.
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I was like, yes, I did.
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah, no, I didn't.
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Yeah, I definitely did.
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What are you talking about?
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No, because I was like, so did you.
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We had terrible jobs.
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No, but no, Justin was a little bit more of a you know, actually, like he said his phone, he'd always he more did not have his phone than I actually have his phone.
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He was always up to some like mischief.
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And he'd be like, he'd have it for a week, and next thing he did say, Yeah, I got my phone taking my phone.
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Oh yeah, my parents love to take my phone away.
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My parent my dad's a pastor, so he's very like, they're very like uh uh Christian.
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Yeah.
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Which which is great, but also which is but also like it just was like we had a very like stricter ish.
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It doesn't fit with help.
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And uh anyway, so enough about my Carl and Joanna.
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Um so I want to go back to kind of Spider-Man, because alright, so you got kind of an intro to that, you got your phone around that time, and you started doing movies.
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How'd you get into Spider-Man?
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Because I'm gonna be honest, dude, I have never met anybody that was so like knowledgeable about well, actually no, I have, but you were the first person that I would like came in contact with that was like, oh, this is my thing.
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And then I met people who are like into Godzilla and like other things.
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So yeah, how'd you get I don't even like I I've only heard stories of how I got into Spider-Man because I don't even have a memory of my life like before him.
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Like it's it's a really uh weird, like permanent, inescapable connection I have with the character because I I mean I'm told that I was sat in front of the TV when I was like two or three, um, and Sam Raimi's first movie was playing on the TV, and I was just like locked in on it, and I couldn't get my eyes off it, and it was just an obsession.
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Um, so I don't even have like a memory of getting into it.
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I just have memories of like gaining more knowledge of the character.
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Yeah.
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Um, but like man, that character, I just feel like intrinsically tied to him, and the past few years have been a little bit difficult with trying to get myself away from the character because you know, making a feature-link film about him basically by yourself in terms of like with the writing and the directing and the post-production and everything, like you're that's all you're thinking about.
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So I was more connected to the character than I'd ever been before because it was every day just through Spider-Man.
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And I've tried you know, I I it's good now to get myself away from the character, um, but it's really hard to like keep him keep him away because it's like it's just like tied to my brain, you know, like like connected to it.
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Yeah.
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Um but you know, I'd I've done, I think I've done well.
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It's like an addiction, like I'm trying to like get rid of an addiction to this this character.
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Like, and I you know, there was a period where I would actually stop people from bringing up Spider-Man around me, like in 2024, like right after that the movie came out.
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Yeah.
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Because I was like, I just don't want to talk about him anymore.
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I was so exhausted.
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And we had like me and Spider-Man had a little breakup.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now we're on like we're on good terms.
00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:10.319
Okay, yeah.
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My bad for bringing it up, but I'm not sure.
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No, no, you're true.
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Like I can I can talk about him now.
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It I had to go through that arc where I'm I'm just completely I had to have no contact with Spider-Man for a while.
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Yeah.
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And also, dude, it's I because you come across as like older than you are, but also too, you're 22.
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It came out when did it come out in 2023?
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23, yeah.
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So you were I was 20.
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20.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, dude.
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For anybody.
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Or I was 19, actually.
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That's crazy.
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19.
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So you kind of just grew up with Spider-Man.
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When did you so you're because okay, so you were saying, like, alright, cool, I'm watching, I'm kind of going back and forth with people online, and then I'm, you know, actually, let me actually show what I would do with the character.
00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:55.359
Do you start writing the script, or are you kind of telling people, hey, like, if I could do this, this is what I would do?
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So I started with this, it's so obnoxious to like look back on because how did I have this much time?
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But I I I developed an entire like fictional 10 season long Spider-Man TV show, like a live action TV series of the character.
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Okay.
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And I like did a bunch of like I'd pull actors from from the industry and I'd cast them as the characters, and I'd use footage from their movies to make like fake trailers and fake intros and things like that.
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And so I wrote like an in this entire pitch for a TV show like season by season with the whole plots and arcs laid out.
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And people got really invested in that.
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Like kind of I kind of treated it like as if it were a real running TV show.
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Yeah.
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Um, and I was able to build a following off of that, or um, like get get people really attached to like I guess like my Spider-Man.
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Yeah.
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Um, and kind of created like this desire to to actually see it come into fruition.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so I had a plan that whole time of like this is my pitch, and then I'm going to reveal that I'm making a movie.
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So the script was simultaneous with with that that fake TV series.
00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:58.480
Wow.
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So the plan was, you know, create create a desire for people to to see what I what I would do, get them invested, and then propose to them, okay, look, now I now I actually have the the ability to make to make this, you know, a d a version of it, you know, because the movie was uh it had a lot of beats from that fake show, yeah, you know, yeah, but and it carried over a lot of like like a lot of my castings for for for Spider-Man were like very similar.
00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:25.359
Okay.
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Um and things like that.
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So I was able to kind of let that carry over um and use the momentum of that to keep the train moving.
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And so by the time I announced the movie, it was like a week after my show ended.
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Oh shoot.
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So everyone was kind of like, oh shoot, all right, that's kind of expected that you would do kind of okay, and so actually.
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So I dropped the show or dropped the ending, and then I did like a countdown right after people.
00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:46.480
Well, what is this?
00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:46.960
Wow.
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And so this is timeline like what 21 is 22?
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January 2021.
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Okay.
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Is when I finished like the show.
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Yeah.
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And then I announced the crowdfunding campaign like a week later.
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Um, and then I had a whole plan of like, you know, slowly give people more information over time as opposed to like drop it all at once.
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So like the costume I hadn't revealed yet, but I ordered it before announcing the movie because I wanted to show people it's not gonna be like made my backyard type of thing.
00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:20.799
Cause because, and not to interrupt you, but like what's been up to this point, what's been like the culture of fan films?
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Because I think I honestly think that you probably change how like fan films were like, because you were you raise the most out of any fan film.
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There are there are fan films that have raised more than me, but I think superhero fan films I I think m I think Spider-Man got the most.
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Yeah.
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Uh I don't I don't know what the metrics are, but yeah, as far as like I feel like, yeah, I feel like as far as day like people amount of people who watched it, the amount of money raised, I think as far as Spider-Man's concerned, I feel like you're doing it as far as you know what I mean.
00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:53.680
So like were you had you seen some of those?
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Be like, alright, cool, I'm not doing that.
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Yeah, I think it was it was like less so about not wanting to do what other fan films do, and more so trying to overcome like the stereotype of a fan film.
00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:04.160
I dig it, yeah.
00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:09.519
Uh so like I didn't particularly like I wasn't super familiar with with like fan films.
00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:18.559
Like there were some that I'd watched growing up and things like that, but I knew that there was a stereotype around fan films of like, you know, the expectation is you're shooting on your iPhone in your backyard type of thing.
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:20.079
You could hear an airplane go over.
00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:20.720
Right, exactly.
00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:21.039
Exactly.
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Yeah, and you got supposed to be two like uh 1776, yeah.
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You got and you you know, you a lot of fan films they would have things from like existing Spider-Man movies, they'd like have the same costumes or they they'd pull from things.
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So I wanted to like prove to people that I was trying, like the attempt was to do uh something that felt like it could be taken seriously.
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For sure, you know.
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Um and so that's why the costume was was really important.
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Yeah.
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To show people like, look, we really are trying to do something here, and it's not like an iPhone type of project, you know.
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Yeah.
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Now uh so the designers, which by the way, they're where are they from?
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Uh Italy.
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Italy.
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Okay.
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Because I met them at the premiere and they were super chilling.
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They're like, hey, we gotta do it.
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I can't do it.
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You're awesome, man.
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What's up, man?
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I didn't know who he was.
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I thought he was just a homeless guy.
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Because you know, designers, they kind of dressed like a little crazy.
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You know, I think they made their fiddle custom for the premiere.
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Like I think the custom made that.
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That's pretty badass.
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Oh wow.
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That's pretty badass.
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They're pretty they're pretty sick, man.
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They're cool.
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Yeah.
00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.160
So okay, so we're great, by the way.
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Who was there that day?
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Long stuff.
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Justin actually ran out of gas.
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I had to help him out that day.
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No, I didn't.
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I didn't know not that day.
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It was what it was.
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But um yeah, the costumes actually, the designs and everything.
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I was there in the premiere and everything.
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Seeing those.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like that frame each side when you walk in.
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I still like, you know, I have them all in like a bin in my clock.
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And sometimes I feel it like calling to me.
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Yeah.
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Like I can't.
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Botus do.
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No.
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They're like, do it again.
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I'm like, no.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I'll pull, I'll pull the bin out and like I'll hold the costume like one day.
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.519
Yeah, dude.
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I can't.
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Well, dude.
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How was because like I think it's a mix of being so young, also raising that amount of money, the amount of expectations that ensued.
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:07.680
Yeah.
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How was that for you?
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.720
Because full disclosure, Justin was in the film.
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.079
I I conned him so hard on a few of the things.
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:27.279
But when you when you really do look at the full picture, um, especially like a 16-year-old running this film, getting all this attention, um didn't like Sam Raimi or someone tweet at it?
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:28.319
It was John Watts.
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.359
Yeah, John Watts getting like attraction like that.
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:40.400
And also like because of that toxicity online, like anything you do wrong can be taken very harshly.
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.160
How how was that explosion dealing with it?
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.680
Also, I feel like a lot of ego can always ensue there.
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Where when I'm getting all this praise to do this and this, I can get very like narrow-minded and oh it's this way, and then you can quickly learn, like, oh, I was blowing smoke up my own ass.
00:23:58.799 --> 00:23:59.839
That's not at all how it should work.
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:10.720
Yeah, so for me, like, so I had a so there, yeah, there were a lot of discussions about like ego, and I've thought about it a lot about kind of how people were looking at that.
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:21.279
Um, I've ultimately determined that there's a lot of projection from people, and if they were kind of trying to put themselves my shoes, my position, and imagine how they would feel in in my position, right?
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.519
And you know, I can understand that.
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:29.839
My my relationship with egos like that all of that happened kind of before I even started making the movie.
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:39.200
So I had a lot of problems with ego that I think I think people who had followed me for a long time uh had picked up on from when I ran the fan account.
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:47.519
I had a big ego from the fan account for everyone because I was like, I I have this authority position on Spider-Man, and I've got all people agree with my opinions and all that stuff.
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:48.720
That was when I was like 15.
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:48.960
Right.
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.160
And I got humbled pretty hard many times from that.
00:24:52.319 --> 00:25:01.839
Um and I had like there were periods where I'd like quit the account and tried to like you know leave social media because I would get you know in some pretty intense fights about the character.
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:02.160
Yeah.
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.079
So by the Was this always online?
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:08.000
Did you ever run into anybody like user 4467 Patriot 9, whatever?
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:09.839
Well I know you yeah.
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.079
Well, back before the movie, no.
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:19.279
After the movie or when I started it, there were there were there have been a lot of runs, all all positive, yeah, yeah, which was surprising me.
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:21.920
I thought, I thought I'm gonna get killed at some point.
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:22.559
You know?
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:22.880
Yeah.
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:34.079
But luckily, no, I've had I've had all positive like there'll be I honestly like literally like two weeks ago, I walked into um, I think it was Chick-fil-A, and I heard the workers whispering, like lotus guy, like it's the lotus guy.
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:34.960
It's like fucked.
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.519
I can't get away from it from the lotus guy.
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:43.920
But it's that's always, yeah, I feel like it's always anytime you get recognized, it's always even if it's you have some sort of con it's always positive.
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.279
No one's ever gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:50.640
It's decently respectful where they could have very well been saying some nasty stuff online.
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:56.000
Yeah, it there's always like, hey, like you you have to commend someone for the project.
00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:12.640
I mean Yeah, I mean, I'd like I had a there was only one kind of negative interaction, which you know, somebody had an idea about me and we talked it out for like an hour, like this random person like near my where I worked at my grocery store job, and I was able to just talk to them and they were able to see that you know they were pretty wrong about a lot of things.
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:18.079
Because the the the problem is that well, I'll finish the thing about the ego first and I'll get into like the PR stuff.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:26.960
Like, so I got humbled prior to actually starting the movie, and so I learned a lot of lessons about ego in advance because I had like a big social media following, yeah.
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:34.319
And so, like, by the time I started that I had been aware of of what an ego can do to you and how to kind of control that.
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:41.759
Yeah, so like the honestly, the the attraction and attention didn't build as much of an ego as much as it just built a lot of gratitude for me, right?
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:53.839
And I think people kind of construed how I was when I was younger versus how I was when I made the movie, and and kind of also the level projection of what would I feel like in his shoes, like of course I'd have an ego and things like that, yeah.
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:58.160
Without realizing that like people didn't really realize where I was mentally during all that.
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.799
I just felt pure gratitude and happiness the whole way through.
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:10.160
Like when it was praised, you know, when I when I was getting that that traction and attention and things, and in terms of like the pressure, I'd I just wanted to make a Spider-Man movie.
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:17.359
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make anything viral or make anything go big, like I just wanted to make a movie that I could watch and enjoy.
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:22.720
Like I still go back and watch parts of it, and yeah, you know, I did my I did a recut of it that I quite like.
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:23.039
Yeah.
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:43.119
Um so you know, I I go back and watch it as a fan, like I just wanted to make something that I could enjoy, so I just tuned out a lot of expectations, and I think that's why when the movie like when I dropped the movie, it just it wasn't what people were anticipating, and I didn't factor in what the reaction would be because I just I don't know, I just didn't I didn't factor in what people would think.
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:52.000
And I I should have more, yeah, you know, because I ultimately what I didn't really take into account people had donated money for it, and so I there's a degree of owing people.
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:52.559
Right.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:58.799
I still feel like I delivered what I said I would, but not exactly to the quality that I that I wished it would have been, you know.
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:07.920
So I don't know, there was a there was a there were a lot of factors with with that, but ultimately like when I was shooting, I didn't feel pressure because I felt like I'm just making the I'm making what I want to see.
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:13.359
You know, I was like I was the audience member and the person I was delivering the movie for at the end of the day.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:18.400
Um and then the recut was more so for the people who were let down, yeah, disappointed.
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:24.960
You know, I tried to try to try to mitigate certain things and and give them give them kind of what they were expecting in instead.
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:25.359
Yeah.
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:44.480
Um but that's honestly in that that's where I think true authenticity comes because you will get burnt I feel like in any sort of regard, whether it's entertainment, arts, just life in general, you'll get burnt out if you're always trying to constantly do something to make people like it, you know what I mean?
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.680
Or like to be like, alright, cool, I'm doing this because I think this is what you want.
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.400
Because you can never really read the minds of people.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.559
I think the only thing with this is that people, you know, there was money involved, you know what I mean?
00:28:54.640 --> 00:29:06.400
So it's people had kind of a stake in it, and so they were like, Alright, cool, we're gonna get this, and like yeah, so I what was that kind of something that you kind of came to pretty easily?
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.599
Like, okay, that's probably why, or over time looking back because also too, again, you're still young, you know what I mean?
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.039
Yeah, so you know.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:18.720
I yeah, I I I I wasn't sure how to contend with the backlash when it came out, right?
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:29.279
Because in my mind it was it was the movie that I wanted to make, yeah you know, all flaws aside, and so I was really shocked by the reaction to the to the movie.
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.279
Um because I you know I knew of course there would be backlash regardless.
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:41.359
I mean it was it was it was inevitable, but like the degree of it and the amount of like hatred that was brought towards it, that was unprecedented for me.
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:41.599
Right.
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.519
That was like super out of left field.
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:50.160
Um and I think that I think people really misconstruing my motivation for making the movie.
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.880
There was a lot of there was a lot of accusations of like me making it for spite or like me trying to prove a point.
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.759
And it literally like was never about proving a point.
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:58.079
Yeah.
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:10.559
You know, I I I just I feel like a lot of time a lot of things I had said to people publicly, like really begging people to not compare it to official movies and just you know appreciate it on its own merits.
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:10.960
Yeah.
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:21.759
Um, and people just sort of disregarded any statements I made about not comparing or not trying to compete, just all got tossed out the window in exchange for a narrative that I had no control over.
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:36.720
Um, and I mean there's there's a whole myriad of like, you know, not having a PR manager was really hard because I couldn't manage fake accusations, true ones, you know, uh taken out of context was like I couldn't sort through things.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.519
So like people could whip up a screenshot in five seconds, slap my logo on it, and toss it out.
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.200
And I my voice had no power to to take it down.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:57.039
And also the the tough thing about it too is that um you know that you had this stuff come out, and then also once the movie came out, there was like a whole so you didn't feel like kind of it was like another another wave of going on.
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.160
And I was prepared to like it's it's crazy.
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:05.119
Every single thing that like that entire second wave of controversy, not a single true thing from any of that.
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:05.440
Wow.
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:13.839
And I was prepared to respond and like make statements and whatever, but I thought, okay, this time I'm just I'm just not gonna respond because none of it's true.
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:15.519
So I'm not gonna give any of it validity.
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:15.839
Yeah.
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:20.240
And it just that strategy didn't work either because people just took those and ran with them.
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:20.480
Wow.
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:31.759
And I had you know, I I was ready to go out with evidence and proof and disprove things and whatever, but I had learned by that point people were not going to listen to anything that I said, and I just didn't know what to do.
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:42.960
Like I I had no I had no connections to like a PR guy to to try to you know put my my statements out there and you know control put a the control what was going on.
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:43.599
Right.
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.839
Um and so I thought I thought by ignoring it it would just go away.
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.079
Um and just that didn't work either.
00:31:50.240 --> 00:32:05.440
So I I still honestly it's it's a mystery to me of how to how to deal with that in the online age with I mean and then like I just thought you know AI came along soon after that, and now just knowing how how easily things can be faked, it's getting scarier and scarier.
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.559
Like I I would I would log into Twitter and see my name slapped on a message that I'd never typed before.
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:10.960
Jeez.
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.680
And it would just be like millions of retweets, millions of likes.
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:13.920
Yeah.
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:20.160
And I could say, I could like it's really easy to like how do you how do you disprove something that was never proven?
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.640
You know, because a lot of the screenshots were not backed up, they weren't validated, whatever.
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:25.920
I could say I didn't say that.
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:26.160
Yeah.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.519
People don't want to believe me.
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:27.759
Right.
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.680
And I how am I supposed to disprove it?
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.359
I don't have a way to disprove that I you know what I mean?
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:45.119
So it was that part was really tough, and then trying to take accountability for you know like real things from when I was 13, right, versus trying to disp like you know, disprove the fake ones.
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.319
Yeah, it sounds like you're deflecting if you say it's fake.
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.480
It sounds like you're taking responsibility for what you didn't say if you take accountability.
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.759
So that was really hard to like how do I address all this?
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.359
Like it was it was tough.
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.279
Yeah, it was yeah, it was a storm.
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:05.920
And I remember I I've I I think I texted you, I think I texted you and Warden, I think, like the first the first time around.
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:20.079
Because for me, like, dude, one thing I'm very, very blessed with, I'm very, very happy is about is that I have probably four or five guys in my life besides my family that I can go to and like even if I don't want to hear it, they'll give me like good advice.
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:20.319
Yeah.
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.400
I know that they're there for me and I'm there for them.
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:23.759
Greg's one of them.
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.559
Um, and so was there anybody in your thumbs up sound like it's not bad.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:31.599
Yeah.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:33.039
Um no, he's the man.
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:41.279
Um is there any so was there anybody in your life at that point that you you know you just went to and was like, I don't know what the hell's going on.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.279
I'd yeah, the the producer, you I think he drove you, Jacob.
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:46.480
Jacob's the man.
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:47.519
Jacob's the man.
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.480
He picked you up and drove you to say he he's somebody that I talked to pretty much daily after the controversy.
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:52.799
Yeah.
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.640
Because I just I don't know.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:09.199
It was I was getting a lot of opinions from people that were conflicting, and some some people wanted me to say this, some people wanted me to say that, and I was just getting tugged in every direction of like what I should be doing, because you know, a lot of people had a stake in the project and they wanted to save face.
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:09.360
Yeah.
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:14.800
So I'm getting advice that will benefit them, or I'm getting advice that'll benefit this person, but throw this person under the bus.
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:30.159
And I wasn't I didn't want to I didn't want to throw anybody under the bus unfairly, and I also didn't I didn't want to be untruthful because there were a lot of like I don't know, there was there were a lot of people trying to pr you know persuade me in certain directions and I I wasn't willing to budge for it.
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:30.480
Yeah.
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:39.039
Um and Jacob was the only one who stayed authentic and and you know true to the true to the facts, true to the true to um being authentic with people.
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:39.440
Yeah.
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.360
And I knew, you know, people are still going to kind of think what they want to think, and that's fine.
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.719
Um, but really he helped me just be authentic and true.
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.840
Yeah I'm still like I'm proud of my apology video still.
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.239
I felt like I addressed things pretty well.
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:54.639
Yeah.
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.000
Um, and the comments seemed to appreciate it too.
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.719
Uh but still people would take that out of context.
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:01.280
And right.
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.599
Like I saw um when I did the video, there was like a TikTok that was like, he just cried the whole time and didn't apologize.
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.199
And it had thousands of likes.
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.239
It's like I didn't shed a single tear, and I s I don't know.
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.360
Like I think yeah.
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.119
It it's interesting.
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.519
I you see it online all the time.
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.679
You were a product and you had to experience it.
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:24.320
There's there's a very much um rush to hate.
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:32.159
And it becomes cool to hate and uh point at someone's downfall for your own entertainment without any like actual backup.
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.119
I I talked with Justin, he's like, dude, I had a great experience.
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.679
Like everything about this, like said all that, it was it was fantastic.
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:46.880
And I remember we talked about that, and um even just like hate after the show, and like, oh, I would have done this.
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.239
I I think you nailed it, where there's a lot of times you'll look at someone and like, oh, this should have happened this.
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.360
And I remember I I believe it was my dad who told me, like, no, you're looking at them what you would do in their shoes.
00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.039
That's completely different.
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:00.719
And don't confuse the two.
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.239
And it was it was very much like a light in the tunnel moment of like, oh wow, that's very true.
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:13.440
Like there's a certain arrogance of like you put yourself into someone's shoes, and then not even factoring in the part of the age.
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.039
And all the things.
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:27.760
If you dig into anyone, any certain like little thing, someone will explode about the smallest thing, and then there's a very much like righteousness to it and kind of point and holier than that.
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:37.840
Yeah, there was like like people were trying to also like get me to do a lot of performative things that didn't feel authentic, and like I just felt like I wasn't the person to do that.
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:50.400
Like, I just I felt wrong and I felt fake, you know, like people wanted me to fake things to like earn back trust from people and like do performative things, and I was like, I I don't f I don't know, that doesn't feel right to me.
00:36:50.480 --> 00:37:03.119
And so like I yeah, people people did try to put themselves in my shoes and like yeah, say what they would have done or whatever, but like ultimately I I felt like any move that I was going to make would have been wrong.
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:03.440
Right.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:10.320
So I just tried to do what felt authentic and that's it, and not what would win people over, you know, so much.
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.079
Like you know, people want I don't know, just I didn't want to didn't want to get into that.
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:14.719
Right, right.
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.960
They're not the ones dealing with who you're dealing with.
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:23.119
Their advice, I I I want to hear it, especially if it's uh unbiased advice.
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.119
If it's from someone who genuinely cares about you and your well-being, absolutely, I I want to hear that wholeheartedly.
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:30.639
I like to call it a bubble.
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.079
And I have this certain circle that I know loves me wholeheartedly.
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:39.039
And I will listen to their advice completely with an open mind.
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.400
I might disagree with it.
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.239
Let me actually think about this, because I know this person has their best interest in mind.
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.800
If they don't, to be honest, I'll I will take it lightly.
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:56.960
If it's not someone that I know knows me well enough to call out something, whatever it may be, it's important to look at it, but also look where that that word is coming from.
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:02.000
Yeah, I I wanna I want to be surrounded by people who will call me out and be critical and be truthful.
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:06.880
Like I I want to know if I'm doing something that's not the right thing I should be doing, or the best thing I could be doing, you know.
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:16.320
Like I I I'd I've honestly started to kind of kind of cut out people who have just been like, you know, they would praise what I'm doing to my face and then they'd criticize it somewhere else.
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:24.719
I just want people to tell me bluntly, and I do the same for people, like sometimes people, my friends will send me a script that they wrote, and if I think it's terrible, I'm gonna tell them that.
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.039
I I don't want to go and talk to somebody else about it being terrible, I want to tell them that it's terrible.
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.199
And I have no idea how many times I've looked at him and said, This song is awful.
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:33.760
Perfect.
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.239
That's joke.
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:35.119
It's exactly funny.
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:35.760
It's exactly funny.
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.280
Most of them aren't, you know what I mean?
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.320
And that's just how it is.
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:38.559
Yeah.
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:39.119
You know what I mean?
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.800
Honestly, it's it's great.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:49.519
And the like, yeah, because it's like uh you want people around you that could tell you, so then that way you grow as a person because you don't grow without pains growing pain.
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:49.920
You know what I mean?
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.320
So it's like, alright, cool, cut that out, do that, do this.
00:38:52.559 --> 00:39:11.679
Um and it's also cool uh cool too because like I remember dude going back to kind of the dealing with it of kind of the yeah, kind of just like the whole thing where it's like uh having to deal with people that are like on, you know, one way in front of your face, and then on the other side they're saying all this stuff online.
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:16.639
Yeah, because I remember uh did I ever tell you when uh the New York Times hit me up?
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:17.519
Did I say that?
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.159
Yeah, you did.
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:18.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:25.119
Yeah, and they c and they called me up, and it was like they were almost expecting me to like shit talk you.
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:26.400
It was the weirdest thing.
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:33.760
Well, you know what's interesting, like not to pivot, but like none of the actual rumors about the movie came from the cast and crew themselves.
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:41.679
It was all from people outside of like this person heard about this, or this person heard about that, yeah, or this person wasn't involved in the production, so they were bitter and pulled stuff out.
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:42.000
Yeah.
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.079
But everybody within the cast and crew, like, actually only had positive things to say.
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:52.000
Like I don't know if you saw about the VFX artists, like there were accusations that they were mistreated and they weren't paid and whatever.
00:39:52.320 --> 00:40:01.920
The VFX artists all individually came out and defended me and said they were paid well and they were treated well, and they actually provided evidence of me you know being fair with them.
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:02.719
I didn't know that.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.400
People exactly, people completely disregarded it and decided to speak for them.
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:13.440
You know, because uh it was one disgruntled VFX, former VFX guy that the rest of the VFX team kind of we all wanted to get out.
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:28.079
And so he he, the one guy, decided to come forward about because that's something I saw a lot, especially once the movie came out, all the kind of reaction videos, you were like, get this guy in the VFX, and I was like, Man, this so I I thought that was one where I was like, dang, I don't know what happened with the VXX VFX movie.
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:48.000
Yeah, no, they okay, they released a video, like all of them talking about their experience working on it, and it's like at the at the end of the video they provided screenshots of our conversations and provided proof of me paying them, and they only had good things to say, but again, the internet, like I the way they did with my video of like twisting it for whatever reason, did the same thing with them.
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:52.559
Like they would speak over the people that they're trying to victimize, you know.
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:53.920
Yeah, that's it was really insane.
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:55.119
That was the worst part for me.
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.760
Like I I thought, okay, for sure if it's coming from their mouths, yeah, people will change.
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:00.400
Nope.
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:01.920
Man, totally disregarded.
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:02.239
Yeah.
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.000
Well, that's that's people for you.
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:05.599
But I want to get into the movie.
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:06.239
Okay.
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:07.840
Well shit.
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.000
The greatest movie I've ever been a part of.
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:13.440
Oh god, the only movie been a part of.
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:14.639
Actually, no, that's not true.
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.960
I I've been well, I've had two minutes, two seconds.
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:18.159
It's not about me today.
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:19.199
It's about Gabby.
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:20.320
Yeah, it's about Gabby.
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.159
And I want to talk about the movie because um I will say this.
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.199
It was the pr it the premiere was was, in my opinion, one of the best nights of my life.
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.880
Because I was, dude, for the heck at it's it was so hot though.
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:34.400
Dear God, bro.
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:35.679
Alright, let me tell you though.
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.159
All right, I sweat a gallon of the game.
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.599
Also, Greg, the entire time.
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.519
I was going, dude, I'm sweating, I'm still sweating.
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.400
I was like, bro, watch the movie.
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.800
No, Mike, I could have wrung my shirt out.
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:45.920
It was bro.
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:46.639
Oh my gosh.
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:48.880
All right, so we got tonic theater, by the way.
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:49.840
Great theater.
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.159
Except for their air conditioning.
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.079
Because Did you guys know that going in that there was no AC or?
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:57.760
No, so we paid everything.
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.639
We we they they did not warn us in advance to the payments.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.440
Like, we we made the deposit, we made the payments, everything like that.
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:09.360
We got the theater rented out, and literally like a week before, they're like, hey, by the way, the AC has been out for like a year.
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:11.440
Like, what?
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.760
Like got that check once it hit the bank account.
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.400
Oh, by the way.
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.159
Yeah, you go to the thermostat, it's just no thermostat, it's just a freaking hole in the wall.
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:19.760
So we're like, wait, what?
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.679
Like, is there anything you can you could do about that?
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.719
They're like, well, and it was like, they were like, yeah, it's gonna be a pretty hot night, you know, August.
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:25.519
Yeah, it was August.
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:27.440
In the middle of August, yeah.
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.960
And I'm like, can you guys like get big fans or something in here?
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:31.760
I I don't know.
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.119
Can you provide some ventilation?
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.360
They're like, I don't know, we can do some ventilation too.
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:37.679
I'm sure that wasn't cheap.
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.280
That was a it's an iconic theater.
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.480
Well, a few days before they're like, Yeah, we got the AC back up and running.
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.000
We're like, oh, sweet, so we'll be good.
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.639
Yeah, and then the day of the premiere, we're like, Where's it at?
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:47.519
Where's the AC at?
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.599
And they're like, oh, it's it broke again.
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:56.880
And I was not aware of how hot it got because I was in the front, you know, so I wasn't around other people.
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:02.559
Yeah, and so by the time I like turned around at the end, everybody's drenched, everybody's like dripping wet.
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:03.679
Listening, like this.
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.719
You're like, you're thinking everyone's crying the diagnosis.
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.880
And they must have really liked it.
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.960
No, man, they were yeah, that was that was pretty awful.
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.440
I I I did not anticipate that.
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.639
And especially with how long that movie is.
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:19.119
Yeah, dude.
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.199
Having to sit there in the burning hot heat.
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:22.400
Yeah, it's a lot of movie.
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.719
I I don't pity any of them.
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:37.840
Yeah, no, it was um, but I I the night itself was fun, and I remember because it was my sister's birthday, so we all went back to the house and got to bring my mom, and then you were you with your, I'm assuming your parents and what the hell I was with everybody, and it was a great night.
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.320
Like, yeah, especially because I didn't know about how hot it was.
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.239
So I I got to actually enjoy it.
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:49.039
But that was really cool though, because you got to see something that like and it was cool because fans showed showed up, right?
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.119
That was just no, genuinely.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.239
I like jokes aside, man, that was insane.
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:55.599
The turnout was pretty insane.
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.760
Yeah, because I remember being in the theater and I was like freaked out that nobody was either nobody was.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.440
Gonna show up, yeah, yeah, or I was gonna get like tomatoes thrown at me or something.
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:13.119
So I'm freaking out the whole day, and I'm like getting the mannequin set up and all this stuff, and you know, I'm waiting, and somebody comes in and they're like, dude, don't like look at the line outside.
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.199
And I went over to like remember there was like a like a gate.
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:16.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:22.559
I look out and I'm like, holy shit, I back up, and somebody showed me a video of like the line wrapping around the theater.
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.480
Yeah, and that freaked me out even more.
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.360
Oh shit.
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:32.159
Yeah, people coming in, they're like barging through security, people coming in through the side, and yeah, I think it was like 1300 or 1400 people there.
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:32.880
Jeez, yeah.
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.679
Because the entire bottom got filled up, and then they had to go to the top.
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.119
We were gonna close off the top, yeah.
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.400
Um, but we had to open it up.
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.639
Um, so that was that was insane.
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:54.480
And then after the movie was done, um, I went up on the stage and a lot of people lined up to talk about the movie, and yeah, that was honestly very emotional because everybody that lined up, they were fans of Spider-Man and they'd been following for however long.
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:03.519
And yeah, I had a lot of emotional conversations with people, and that's what that's why I think when the movie came out, I was so shocked because the reaction at the premiere was you know very positive.
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.480
Positive for sure.
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.599
Yeah, there was a a standing ovation at the end of it.
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:11.599
It was like, you know, so I think it was I was shocked when it came out.
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.239
Yeah, you know.
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.039
It also might have been because the the heat Yeah, they're like, it's done.
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:16.800
So they're like, okay, get out of here.
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.199
That was tough.
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:19.679
No.
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.639
That was a tough one.
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:29.199
No, that I mean, honestly, and that was really cool too, because you know, you yeah, dude, you get to see a name, because again, bro, I use your name on an Instagram or a username on a TikTok.
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.960
But if you see something, I remember one there were I didn't I didn't know what to expect.
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.519
So I told my mom was like, Alright, cool, let's everyone dress nice.
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:36.880
Greg wore a nice t-shirt.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:37.360
That's great.
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.159
There's a number of new.
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.119
It was like a full wool.
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.519
No, no, don't talk about thank God, bro.
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:48.239
Because every one of us and my boys, we all like dressed up, and Greg shows up, he's like, I got the t-shirt.
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:49.519
I'm like, You got the t-shirt.
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:50.880
Oh, I mean, it was a nice t-shirt.
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:52.159
Some wool pants as well.
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:52.800
Oh wow.
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:53.519
So hot.
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:54.960
But um, yeah, dude.
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:56.159
So yeah, it was it was yeah, it was.
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.480
There was like also like there were some positives.
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.800
Like, I remember, I mean, this isn't very biased.
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.039
Justin's shocker scene, I really enjoyed.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.480
I I think the best action happened in the first five minutes.
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.360
Like, my idea at the time was like, okay, open it like a like a typical superhero movie and then good like banter and all that.
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:15.679
Yeah.
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:16.400
I like that scene.
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.079
Okay, I've always wanted to ask you, the Green Goblin, there was like a minute of a minute.
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:23.280
Yeah.
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:23.679
Yeah.
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.639
So he was we only added him because of the increased budget.
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.239
Like he wasn't gonna be in the film at all.
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.800
Because like the only scenes were him just getting the hell beat out of him.
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:35.840
And then it never went back.
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:36.079
Yeah.
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.880
It's like, oh yeah, what happened to the squirt?
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.480
I only added that because that's the nickname I showed.
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.039
We'll go later.
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.719
Uh no, I mean, I we I had when I opened the crowdfunding, I told people no fights, there won't be any action.
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:51.360
Really?
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.599
I told people you're getting a Spider-Man drama.
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:53.920
Okay.
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.519
People knew that when they funded it.
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.920
That's very interesting then, because okay, I didn't know that.
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.320
Yeah, I told people very there'll be maybe one swing scene and no action.
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:02.639
Yeah.
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.639
And people knew that when they when they funded.
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:10.239
Now, is the reason why you said that was because you're thinking budgeting wise or or you're just strictly thinking story-wise.
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.280
I want this to be emotional.
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.760
Well, the goal was 20k when I opened it.
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:14.079
Okay.
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.400
I was only looking for 20k to make the drama.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.079
Like it was gonna be like an hour long.
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:19.360
It hit 112k.
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:20.239
Oh my gosh.
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.000
It was like a I didn't hit that much.
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.960
112k?
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:23.679
Yeah.
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:24.400
Jeez.
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:25.920
I I didn't yeah.
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:27.760
It was I didn't know what to do.
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:29.760
That was the budget for the rain, dude.
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:32.960
Every three minutes.
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:34.880
There's rain everywhere.
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.719
I was just pregnant with rain inside the air.
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.679
We're just in the hot leader going off right now.
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.960
I don't want to be there.
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:42.800
It's cold.
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:43.519
It's cold.
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:44.800
Please rain in here.
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:45.119
Yeah.
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.559
No, but the it's so funny.
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:47.599
Like the rain scene.
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:48.800
I don't know if you remember the rain.
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:49.760
When he's at the cemetery.
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.639
It was one at the cemetery with Harry.
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:59.199
Uh we literally connected like a few hoses from the college across the street, and we got the producer like put his thumb on the hose.
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:00.320
That was the rain.
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:01.119
That's what it was.
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.320
Yeah, it wasn't even a machine.
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.519
Like he just covered it with his face.
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:04.239
It looked great.
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:05.760
I thought it turned out just raining on it.
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.000
Is that the scene with is that where it's who is it?
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.239
Mariah and it's with Sean.
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:11.679
He's at the grave.
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:12.960
Oh, it's raining on him.
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.159
Um yeah, it was just a fire, like a hose from across the street.
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:17.760
Because it looked yeah, it looked like it was raining.
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.519
I I was super happy with how because I I loved rain at the time.
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.000
I mean, you know, it was like, oh, there's dad.
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:25.519
They're dead, so we'll put rain in.
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.400
We'll put rain in.
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:27.280
Oh my goodness.
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.119
It's the heavens crying, you know.
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:30.960
But is that why there's so much rain?
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:31.760
You're like, this looks great.
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:32.880
It's incredible.
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.440
Let's throw in the rain like wherever we can find it.
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:41.920
Oh, there's you but you've had this love of Spider-Man, but then you're also new to actual filmmaking.
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.199
Because that's something I saw a lot too, where people go, this nigga doesn't come in.
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.480
Well, this brother doesn't know how to um like stuff and everything.
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.039
But also, dude, it's your first movie, bro.
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.280
Yeah.
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:59.440
Like, if I sat down and tried to make a movie, my establishing shots might be a little long, my lighting might be off, you might not be able to hear this going on.
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:14.719
So, like, what was that like was that something afterwards you were like, okay, this is like I know this is my first kind of try at this, or you're going, okay, I think this is good, and then like what was that kind of process of like Yeah, I I um put that together.
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:23.440
Like, I I always say that I went into it a Spider-Man fan and I came out of it a filmmaker because of how much I learned about filmmaking through that.
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:31.679
Like, I honestly think the most like I am actually very, very grateful that I got torn apart by so many people on a stage like that.
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:38.239
Like my film was just torn to shreds because how many people make their first film and people are too afraid to tell them what's wrong with it and they don't learn their lessons.
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:38.639
Right.
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:45.119
I am grateful that I put it out there and millions of people were able to say, You fucked up on this, or this is terrible, this is garbage.
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:54.639
And I could I could look back on it and say, you know what, I I agree with that, I don't agree with that, or I you know, I was able to to really like learn what was wrong, and that's why I think the recut is just so much stronger.
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:55.119
For sure.
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:01.920
Because I just I learned how you just can't keep it like you can't drench people in the same emotion for two hours.
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.159
Like you can't, I think I wanted every scene to be the best scene, and so I went super hard on the drama with everything, right?
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.960
And you just drench people and bore them and tire them out.
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.039
You gotta have like a roller coaster in order for them to feel the emotion.
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:22.400
So I tried to with the recut, I did a more like I had I had lighthearted beats and I kind of drop you know dialed back the emotion in certain places.
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:26.079
So the the ending and the parts where it really mattered, those could hit hard.
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:26.400
Yeah.
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.239
As opposed to sad scene, sad scene, sad scene, sad scene, traumatizing, you know.
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.719
Because there it is a it is a science of filmmaking, but also I think a lot of it too is yeah, bro, freaking growing pains.
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:45.519
I think also, too, a lot of people that are watching this and they're going, man, I've I've had growing pains, let's say from like a filmmaker or director, and I didn't have this budget.
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:53.119
So that's in you know, even more so they're going, frick this guy, because this guy got this, however, you know, 100, whatever, 12.
00:50:53.920 --> 00:51:02.159
There's a lot of like because I man, it the opportunity that for your first movie to to I mean you have unlimited creative control and you have a comfortable budget like that.
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.760
I mean, it is still a a micro budget, yeah, but for a fan film to have that money is pretty incredible.
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.679
So like you didn't have I didn't have anybody over my shoulder telling me what to do.
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:12.000
Yeah.
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.960
I also had you know the the money to do what I wanted to do.
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:15.280
Yeah.
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:22.960
And so like I I really do feel like I got to make the movie I wanted to make, and I it is an opportunity that is like one in a million to be able to do that.
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:28.559
And I'm so the massive odds more like one in a 112.
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:29.360
Thank you.
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:30.559
That was necessary.
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:31.440
Yeah, no.
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.280
Sorry, you were saying interrupted.
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.480
Uh no, it's a joke there's sorry.
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.039
Just an insurmountable odd.
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:45.760
So I get the I get the looking at me like wanting that opportunity because I would probably feel the same way.
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.639
I'd probably feel bitter towards someone having that.
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:55.039
And like I I'm conscious of that, and I know some people feel like the opportunity was squandered or whatever.
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:03.760
I I'm grateful that I had it, and you know, I I still am I still to this day, even with all the things that came with it, I'm grateful that I got to do it.
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.360
Like I got to make that movie.
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.440
Um all flaws aside, you know.
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:08.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.000
Um do you have anything, Greg?
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.760
I mean, I by that it's honestly it's it's very inspiring.
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.480
I want you to know that.
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:20.239
I know I think I we like briefly introduced to the premiere, he met a thousand people probably that night.
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.760
Uh but even talking to me now, that's that's honestly such a great perspective.
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:37.280
Because like even from like knowing what you went through after that, um honestly few people have gone through that and everything, and more of the gratitude or like looking at the positive and sticking to that.
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:47.679
I I think one of the best pieces of advice is I've gotten, I'm I'm a new at EMT, so especially working in the field, talking to paramedics and everything, um, you're very like raw.
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:55.920
And I I'm I'm yes, I've freshly started in all this, but remembering like that expert I'm working with started at nothing as well.
00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:01.039
He had no idea what this medicine, whatever.
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:02.960
And they also started at nothing.
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:08.639
Like, yes, I'm getting there, but it it takes so much work to get to this point.
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:14.960
And going through those pains of um filmmaking and you saying like this, it's all or nothing for me.
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.360
You know, uh I I myself didn't exactly have that like trajectory where I always knew what I wanted to do.
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:27.599
But having that and like going all in or having an experience like this, um it's on it's priceless.
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:28.320
It really is.
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.880
Talk to us about like what what's that next step?
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:41.360
Learning from this, uh, I know you shared a little bit, it was like, alright, I'm gonna take a break, because then you also don't want to be labeled Spider-Man guy.
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:41.679
Right.
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:47.760
And like the branding behind that and really venturing out, because as you said, that turned you into a filmmaker.
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.400
What was that next step for filmmaker?
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.079
Like, what what is your like aspirations, like all these like goals?
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.760
What's that future look like for you?
00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:01.920
Well, right after the movie came out, I like huddled into a cave and I just was like, I was done.
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:17.039
I was gonna be, I was gonna take a long break, and I'm lucky that I'm surrounded by people who they knew that I wasn't done yet, and they knew that I that I had more to more to say, and they just pulled me right back out of that cave and they're like, just make something else, like make something new.
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:25.280
And so I I started making this like the complete opposite of of Lotus, like literally I just Justin went to the first screening for attempted murder.
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:26.639
It's a horror comedy.
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:28.400
And so Oh dude, I love horror.
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:35.199
Yeah, it's it's a whole little horror comedy, and it's about a like a bumbling serial killer who can't kill any of his victims because he's incompetent.
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:42.639
It it turned out like I I it was shorter, it was faster, it was comedic, it didn't take itself very seriously, it was colorful.
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:47.920
Like I try to just literally look at Lotus and like what could I make that's just entirely different?
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.039
Not because I never want to make a movie like Lotus again.
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.639
I mean I you know, I don't want to make that again, but like a drama or whatever.
00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:01.440
I was like, let me just try the exact opposite and just stretch myself to that to to try to do something like that and challenge myself.
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.039
And so I did that and I just brought a bunch of friends together.
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:13.760
I was like, I'm not gonna do any crazy funding, I'm gonna like fund it myself for like a thousand bucks, use my resources, whatever, and just throw together this little short film in it.
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.440
So it's like 39 minutes long.
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.559
Um I had to stop myself from crossing the feature threshold because like I don't want to do it again for a while.
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:22.480
Um, and it turned out really good.
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:34.400
Like it did well at film festivals, and it it there's something about your own characters, and and and it's something that just didn't exist, it only existed in your mind, and you're able to put it out there, and it's just yours.
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:41.519
Um that that was a different type of feeling than like taking a character that's kind of shared by millions of people.
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.039
Now you get to do something that's only yours, and people are seeing it for the first time.
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.119
And that that was a very gratifying thing.
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:55.679
So I I want to chase that feeling again of like I want to make a character that I feel personally attached to the way I do about Spider-Man, but it's mine now.
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.320
Um, I want to try to keep pursuing that.
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:03.119
So I'm kind of still kind of going in the direction of horror comedy because I had a lot of fun with it.
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:03.440
Yeah.
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:11.840
Um, it's just like low pressure, low stakes, you know, it's just all like, I don't know, it just it doesn't feel like so heavy all the time.
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:16.559
You know, so I'm pursuing more with the that attempted, it's called attempted murder.
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:16.880
Okay.
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.960
Um I'm pursuing more with that concept.
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:24.480
I think that um when I do my next feature, I think it's gonna be that that concept.
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:24.639
Okay.
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:36.239
I'm gonna try to go the traditional route with getting funding, getting private funding and uh you know, 200k to 300k, like keep it kind of a little bit more than Spider-Man, but not go crazy yet.
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:47.679
Um and just you know, get that feature off, get get another feature off the ground that's fun and entertaining because at like at the screening it was really fun when you'd get audience reactions to the to the jokes, yeah.
00:56:48.320 --> 00:57:03.840
And one of those rules actually went viral because it came on my for you page, it was like, yeah, the audience reacting, and I gotta tell you, dude, that jump from Spider-Man Lotus to this, as far as how you are like you're saying you came out as a filmmaker, the sh your shots and your dialogue writing, bro.
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:04.639
I was like, this is good.
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:04.960
Thank you.
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:05.360
This is good.
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:22.079
Because yeah, because the concept of he just sucks, he's just an idiot, but he just wants to be a killer, but it's like he's and he's learning from this older guy, and then also just yeah, the shots, because I do love that style of it comes across as like very artsy fartsy, but it's I it's very calculated, you know what I mean?
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.559
And so, like, yeah, dude, and then all the lighting too.
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:28.159
So it yeah, you de you could definitely tell that you grew as a filmmaker.
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.719
I learned a lot and I put it all into that, and like I'm I'm really happy with with that movie.
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:40.159
And like I said, like that was really surprising for me because obviously Spider-Man put a lot of doubts in my mind of like my own potential and whether I'm actually good at any of this.
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:40.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:46.639
Like it was it was really scary to make that because again, like it was all my friends and there was nobody professional attached.
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:46.960
Right.
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.599
So there's this fear of like I don't know how this is gonna go.
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.400
And um you're saying at the horror comedy.
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:53.519
Horror comedy, yeah, yeah.
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:55.519
Yeah, because your brother, your brother's in it, right?
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:56.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:57.599
He plays one of the jocks.
00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:58.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.119
But like, I was yeah, I was scared making it.
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:09.199
And when I when I did the first test screening with like a like a bunch of friends at my house for my birthday in 2024, that was my first time showing anybody the film.
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:09.360
Yeah.
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:14.079
Um, and I was terrified because my friend was like he was like, You just just show them, just show them, it's not done yet.
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:15.360
I don't know, I think they're gonna hate it.
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.199
And you know, it's still a rough cut, so I was like, Oh, it's gonna go terribly.
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.760
And when it ended, everybody really liked it.
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.800
And it wasn't, I was like asked, I was like, please just tell me if it's bad.
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:25.599
Like I need to know.
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:25.760
Yeah.
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:31.119
Because if I put this out there after Lotus, it's gonna get torn apart again, and I can't go through that again.
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.599
And so I told people, please be blunt with me and honest.
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:44.800
And yeah, I got really good, honest uh appraise for it, and that felt that felt like a good step for me in terms of like feeling put to like putting the pieces back together for myself again.
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.440
Yeah, because I think there was a lot of brokenness following that, especially through 2024.
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:59.280
Yeah, like it almost was worse for the subsequent years, like after the fallout, yeah, when it kind of died down more and I couldn't reflect uh properly.
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:10.239
So I'm really glad I made attempted murder so it could, it could, it could be like that life raft for me that I needed, as opposed to I just do Spider-Man, and then I'm just wallowing in misery for two years.
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:10.559
Yeah.
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:14.719
You know, I'm just glad I got right back into it and I didn't I didn't just wallow in it.
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.920
You know, I'm I think that was really important for me to do.
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:29.039
Um, so anyway, with that said, like I I feel more confident now in like my ability to do things separate from Spider-Man and and do original projects and and things like that.
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:37.119
So that's really the trajectory for me is more original and and that idea in particular, attempted murder, expanding those characters and doing something with that.
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:37.599
Yeah.
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.840
Now are you still on the uh on the fr uh festival circuit or are you done with that?
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:42.800
We're done with that now.
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.960
Because I put it up on YouTube now and so it's out there.
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:46.239
And so now I'm just writing a lot.
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:48.400
I think 2026, I'm just gonna be writing a lot of scripts.
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.840
Yeah, what what what is your favorite part of the filmmaking process?
00:59:52.079 --> 01:00:01.360
The writing, the sh because do you also do your own cinematography, like shooting or your I I don't normally do, I've done cinematography for people before because last year I did a lot of like AD work.
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:01.760
Okay.
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.079
Um and I did a little bit of cinematography.
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:04.480
Yeah.
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.679
Um, but I think no, I loved I just love directing.
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.079
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.079
I mean, I it's it there's something about it, and I think I've learned over time too.
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:13.760
Like I used to wear every hat.
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:14.000
Yeah.
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.119
I'd jump around a lot.
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:15.440
Right.
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.039
And I would stretch myself thin.
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:17.360
Right.
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:25.679
Now I've learned to like trust people to do their jobs and like I can communicate more efficiently with them and like trust I don't have to like run over to the camera department.
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:25.920
Yeah.
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.239
I can I can, you know, they're gonna do their thing.
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:28.480
Yeah.
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:32.400
I can I can keep myself steady, you know, when I'm directing.
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.320
And I I direct like an editor, yeah.
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.679
So I think honestly, I think the editing process might be my favorite part.
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:44.960
Yeah, just because you're you're getting you get control and you just get to you get you get to form it, you know, like it it really takes shape in the edit.
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:45.280
Yeah.
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:58.880
You don't know what it's gonna look like really until you get in there and I edit with like temp music a lot, so I use sound to edit my stuff, and so you find like you'll I'll be looking I have to have the music first, and I'm big on movie scores.
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:00.480
Yeah, I have like tons of movie scores that are.
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:07.760
That's also something I could I could tell too, is um is from your uh most recent project is that yeah, your the music was sick.
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:10.000
Because yeah, you definitely that's a big thing.
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.280
We're actually working on a uh show that we actually wrapped a short film.
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.599
It's like a stupid cowboy western, but um that's an another thing too that we were trying to figure out.
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:18.559
We're like, all right, cool.
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:26.639
There's so much that could take away or add on to a movie if the music is at you know, it adds or it takes away.
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:27.039
Yeah.
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:31.199
Um and so I think yeah, you you I you could definitely see that through what you're talking about.
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:37.840
Um so the editing process, um and then how long does it usually take like for something like a 39-minute short film?
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.639
Um from kind of like start to the finish project?
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.679
Honestly, like I I was done.
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.800
We uh we shot it in October 2023 and then I I released it.
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:52.639
I mean uh it was done by like probably December 2024.
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:54.000
So it only took like a year.
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:54.320
Yeah.
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:56.320
I just didn't put it online because I had to do the festival.
01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:01.679
So it took like a year for the whole thing from from pre-production to post, like a year, and then I was done.
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:02.000
Yeah.
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:03.039
So not too long.
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:12.400
And like Lotus, I think was uh maybe a four, three or four year turnaround, which like for a feature is is pretty good, especially not having help really from anybody.
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.239
Yeah, for sure, from start to finish.
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:15.920
Um yeah, that's sick, dude.
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.320
So then yeah, so then the future would be more kind of writing, just writing.
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.159
Are you currently writing a script right now?
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:24.639
Or yeah, I'm like 45 pages in.
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:26.719
Um so I'm still working on that.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.119
Uh I I just the thing the thing that's hard is like just getting yourself to start writing.
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:31.360
Yeah.
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.239
Because once you're once you're in the zone, you know, you just can't stop.
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:34.480
Yeah.
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.400
But it's like that that staring at the blank page and not knowing where to start.
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:38.639
Yeah.
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:41.519
Or feeling like you you second guess your dialogue too much.
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:46.400
Like, I I honestly like I'll I'll leave the script on the table and act out the scenes myself.
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:54.159
Like I'll pretend like I'm the characters and do the acting, and then once I can get that, or I'll get in the shower and act out the lines or whatever and try to improv it.
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.360
And then I get the dialogue and I can sit down and and start doing it, you know.
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.199
You everyone's got their own little process.
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:03.199
Like, I I just you just gotta force yourself to start writing, you know.
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.960
Yeah, no, that's awesome, dude.
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.239
I I love I love that.
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:13.519
That's also a process too, because we're working on the yeah, that that short film that I was just saying earlier, but yeah, just that whole process going from start to finish.
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.880
Because as an actor, you kind of just show up, you kind of do it, and then you leave.
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:24.960
And then so kind of what you're saying with the other projects where you're so entrenched in this character, like for example, Spider-Man or for you know, attempted murder.
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:25.599
That's a movie.
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.159
Yeah, right.
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:27.119
Yeah, attempted murder.
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:39.760
Um, you're kind of in this kind of thing, and so kind of creating a world that's your own kind of world, and then it's it's gotta be so cool to just see that your brother's in it, your buddies, your friends are in it.
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:42.719
I don't know who that old guy that played it is, but um he was he was cool.
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.800
I found him on backstage as like a retired teacher.
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.159
Yeah, I could tell I was like, he's giving backstage, love to see it, dude.
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:49.440
Yeah, he he was great.
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:54.159
Like he he was like a former film teacher who decided like in his retirement he's gonna become an actor.
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:54.559
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.519
And so that was really cool to like find him, and he's a really cool guy.
01:03:57.599 --> 01:03:58.320
He's a writer too.
01:03:58.480 --> 01:03:58.639
Yeah.
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.039
Well, that's also something that's so important too on sets.
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:08.800
Like, I will say, and I was I mean, Greg said this earlier, like what stood out for me too was also it's just kind of sick to put that freaking shocker thing on, dude.
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:09.280
Oh yeah.
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:11.920
But also just I had so much fun on set, bro.
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.199
It was so freaking fun.
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:18.719
And we uh we did uh a shoot date that we they didn't make the film when we were in it in the studio and I was in the car and crap.
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:29.599
Oh yeah, yeah, that was we were gonna dude the we were gonna do that like with VFX, we were gonna have a VFX Spider-Man and everything, because that would have been cool, but we just I don't know, I I had to cut it.
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:32.079
Yeah, it was just like it was too much too much.
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:37.039
We gotta get ready that more rain, more more raining.
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:44.800
No, that it would have been a cool scene, but yeah, I just it was too much work and I didn't have the means to do it anymore.
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.320
So I was like, ah, I just gotta cut it.
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:48.400
But the shocker stuff was really fun to shoot.
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.719
Yeah, and that was the most like storyboarded scene in the film, so I think it's the most exciting.
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:56.800
The camera's actually moving, it's not just shot reverse shot like the rest of the movie.
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:57.199
Yeah.
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:58.719
Um yeah, it's a fun scene.
01:04:58.800 --> 01:04:59.679
I I I like it.
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:00.079
It's cool.
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:00.639
That was fun.
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.719
And that was film that was shot pretty much after everything was pretty much filmed, right?
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:12.800
Yeah, so we did all the drama first in Arkansas and New York, and then a lot of the additional photography was gonna be the action.
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:14.159
Too expensive in LA anyway.
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:14.559
Yeah.
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:15.760
Oh my gosh, yeah.
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.480
We shot, I mean, we shot in like an LA alleyway.
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:19.519
Oh, really?
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:19.920
Okay.
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.079
Just like some we didn't get a permit or anything, we just shot over there in a in a in an alleyway.
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:25.679
I remember even where it just was.
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:27.360
Yeah, it was literally just in an alleyway.
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:28.559
He shot somewhere.
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:28.880
Yeah.
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.440
Where luckily we didn't have to have a permit.
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:40.480
But I mean, uh, you know, being a roommate and all, seeing like front row see, I helped him coordinate a little bit with like the acting crew and everything and setting things up.
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.519
For our short film.
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:42.079
Yeah, for sure.
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:44.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:53.679
Um something you were saying earlier, just a hundred percent seeing kind of a little bit of as you were saying, like watching the people react to the jokes and saying, like, oh, this is funny.
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.519
It was very much like me watching Justin front row, like coordinating all this.
01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:59.840
And I remember Immobody came to me on the side and was like, dude.
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:00.960
They're laughing.
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:02.559
Like they think it's funny.
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:07.280
And I remember I was like and I was like, yeah, dude, it's hilarious.
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:13.519
But it was also cool seeing that re reaction of like being reassured, like, yeah, dude, like it works.
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:14.079
Okay, good.
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:14.880
That humor.
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.440
Because I don't I don't know what that's like.
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:22.880
Like there's been a common theme so far in our podcast here of like filmmaking and that art creating.
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.800
I don't know what it's like of writing it and just hoping it works.
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.159
And like hoping this reaction or like does this actually work?
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:31.280
Or that self-doubt.
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.480
And I think just seeing the amount of work that goes into something like behind the scenes.
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.159
And I I played a little part in it.
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:39.599
I'd never done anything like that.
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.800
It was more I remember I told him, like, this is clearly so important to you.
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:46.800
I I want to play any kind of part I can just to help you along the ride.
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:48.719
Like this is clearly so important to you.
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:52.000
I want to help in any kind of progressional like way I can.
01:06:52.800 --> 01:07:00.159
And um just seeing the amount of like care and also the details, the work behind the scenes, between the actors.
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:01.760
It's it's incredible.
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.559
You know, just I'm I'm sure he'll send it to you.
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:06.400
It's it's a very, very rough cut.
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:07.679
I'm sure as you're very used to.
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.280
No, yeah, I'm used to it, yeah.
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:11.360
But um I was very proud of him.
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.280
I I think it turned out really well.
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.599
He completely funded the film himself.
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:23.519
Um$3.99 it costs to do it all.
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:24.800
Yeah, yeah, and I crowdfunded it.
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.840
I just stood on uh a freeway entrance and I was like, do we know?
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:29.360
Six-figure budget this time or no?
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:33.119
I make one appearance because someone called out one line.
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:33.920
No, no, no, no, no.
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:36.320
It was labeled very well though, I must say.
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.760
No, Greg killed it, bro.
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:38.400
Fricking Greg.
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:39.119
Greg's funny.
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:41.679
You're a future actor?
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.239
No.
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:43.760
He gets that a lot.
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:45.039
Think you could?
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.840
Honestly, Greg has a comedic good comedic sense.
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:48.400
I alright.
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:49.599
Yeah, I love comedy.
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.280
I I absolutely love comedy.
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:54.480
But I'm not I'm not one for cameras, to be honest.
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:55.519
I like behind the scenes.
01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:56.800
Meanwhile, there's like four cameras on.
01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.920
Yeah, I think I can write comedy, maybe, you know.
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:00.480
I have.
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:02.079
I've helped Justin write a few jokes.
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:03.280
He has actually, yeah.
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:08.800
I actually spoke with uh a guy, we had like a two-hour conversation, and he was a writer for Nicki Glazer.
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:09.280
Oh.
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.360
And he was telling me about the whole process of uh that Kill Tony bit she had.
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.079
Uh I'm saying not Kill Tony, the roast of Tom Brady.
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:16.560
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:22.319
And like hearing like all these details, it was so fascinating, and I loved that conversation.
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.640
Definitely like walked away the new perspective of just like the art of writing.
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:26.960
Yeah.
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.640
But uh yeah, I'm I'm a little bit more behind the scenes as I'm in front of cameras.
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:30.880
Yeah.
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.119
That's that's more for Justin and everything.
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:46.399
No, but what you said, I mean, people really underestimate what goes into just you see it on screen, of course, like you see the results, but what goes on behind the camera, the conversations that you have between tapes, you know, like the the decisions you have to make.
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:54.159
Like on I think that's my favorite part actually about filmmaking is like when you run into a barrier and you're on a time crunch and you need to think of a solution quick.
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:54.479
Yeah.
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:55.199
I love that.
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.600
Especially when you're outside, you're losing daylight, bro.
01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:02.319
The amount of because there's so much you can do when it comes to planning.
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:04.000
But when you're there, there's always something wrong.
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:09.359
Someone's like, the actor forgot this, or well shoot, we forgot this and all, especially when you're very much your own.
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.920
You have like one, or maybe two PAs, that's it.
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:13.920
So yeah, that so you like that then.
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:15.359
I like I love the pressure.
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.239
Like I that's why I actually like being an assistant director.
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:18.479
Yeah.
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:21.840
Um, a lot of people you know hate it because it's you're you're stressed out all the time.
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:22.079
Yeah.
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:23.279
I actually like the stress.
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:23.520
Yeah.
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:33.199
Like I like encountering the problem and then working with people to like quickly come up with what is like the best compromise we can come up with without losing you know what's already here.
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:41.600
Like, what shots can we combine, what can we cut, what can we, you know, replace or whatever, what line can we lose, like any sort of kind of problem solving you can come up with.
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:43.680
I I I love that aspect so much.
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:48.880
Well, that's a good for a director because the guy the directors that aren't good at that, they're they turn into the yelling type.
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:49.279
Yeah.
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:50.800
Yeah, and they get stressed out, dude.
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:57.039
I did a vertical one time, and literally, like before shooting, you're he's all nice, nice guy.
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.239
About two hours in, he like freaks out.
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.079
And there's no reason to be freaked out.
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.640
And so he's yelling at everybody, and it's just like, bro, you yeah.
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:22.159
So yeah, that is a very nice thing that you're able to like you have an affinity towards that kind of because your job is to set the tone of your everybody working under you and working for you, you know, like you're responsible for their the work is going to reflect the the work ethic on set and the attitude on set.
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:22.399
Yeah.
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:28.239
You know, the your DP and your gaffers and grips, they're not gonna work as hard if they're they're they just wanna leave their in and out.
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880
Yes, you know, you want to create uh a desire to be there.
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.399
Everybody got in this industry for the most part because they were passionate about film.
01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:42.960
I've met a lot of people who have lost that passion over time because there's so many sets that are so uh you know just diminishing, yeah.
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:54.000
And and you just feel beaten down by by you know working for so long and and working for abusive people and people who are just bitter, and that bitterness kind of you know rubs off on everybody else.
01:10:54.079 --> 01:11:02.079
So I I try to be that you know, that that really that positive presence on set because then you get really good work out of that, and then the 12 hours fly right by.
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:03.119
Well, and that's the thing too.
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:04.560
It's like you'll put and this is for anything.
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:20.079
I mean, me and Greg will talk about this where it's like it's hard for a lot of people, and I guess it's really just how much can we get without spending the most amount of money or time, which is bro, if you invest into the people under you, meaning that you're treating them with respect, you're making sure that they're taken care of.
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:29.520
Like, bro, that was one of the first things going into like when we were producing our thing, which was like, I want to make sure these actors are taken care of, we're shooting in a way where it makes sense, so they're not just waiting around.
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.159
Once they're done, we're having to pay them all this stuff.
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.960
Part of it I know it's because I'm also an actor, and so I know what it's like to not be taken care of.
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:44.720
But then two, it's just like to me, I'm like, look, if you take care of your people, whether it's actors or your crew, they're also gonna give you a better product.
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:46.560
So it's like a freaking win-win thing.
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.960
So it it it it is kind of fascinating that that's not like really a more common thing.
01:11:51.199 --> 01:12:06.000
But um wrapping things up, I did want to ask you, so with all this experience, all this kind of uh things that you experienced in the past, what's like some things that you would say um to someone that might be watching who's like, hey man, I I'm thinking about doing this.
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:10.640
Like, what's some advice that you've kind of gained along the way?
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:21.600
I think it's gotta be just to stick to what what what what is the stick to what you think is good and what you want to pursue and what you're passionate about.
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:21.920
Yeah.
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:26.560
Because I've met a lot of people over the past couple years as I've gotten more in the in the filmmaking scene.
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.119
People want to create what they think other people want to see.
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:29.359
Yeah.
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.520
And you kind of destroy yourself doing that.
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:31.920
Yeah.
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:35.119
Um you ha you have to stick to your impulse and your gut.
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:46.960
And um you can't make things to cater to other people because then you're constantly changing your film and re-editing it, and you're losing what the what the purpose of the script was and what you what the intentions that you shot it with.
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:56.079
Um I've seen a lot of people just entirely restructure and re-edit their entire thing because they heard an opinion over here, an opinion over here, people aren't gonna like this part of it, you know.
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.439
You just have to make what what your impulse tells you to make, and because you're gonna lose your passion.
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.079
And the the most important thing is to not lose your passion.
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:04.479
Yeah.
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:40.560
And if you get sucked into what everybody in the industry gets sucked into, which is like trying to get validated for your work, and of course I know that having released something that was torn apart so hard, like you really want to be accepted and you really want to be loved for your work, but you have to, you have to just shake that off because it is a never-ending cycle of you cannot please everybody, and people are always gonna have opinions about your work, and you just have to create what you love, and that passion will sustain you because I've gotten like I've felt the temptation of like, you know, f what you know, fuck what I want, yeah, what I want to see.
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:41.760
Like they want to see it.
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:42.000
Yeah.
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.279
You gotta suppress that, you gotta stick to yourself.
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:45.840
So yeah.
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:47.279
Dude, that's freaking that's awesome.
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:48.560
Greg, is there anything you wanted to add?
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:50.079
Oh, I I think that's perfect.
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:51.439
Yeah, I think that was great.
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:52.399
Well said.
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:56.880
Uh go ahead and um plug whatever you're doing, social media.
01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:57.520
Okay.
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.079
Well, I've just released attempted murder on YouTube.
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.319
Um, you can watch it on GJ Canop.
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:09.039
My Instagram is Gavin Canop, um, my TikTok's Gavin Canop, and I don't have a Twitter account, and I won't.
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:09.920
Nice, dude.
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:10.399
There you go.
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.520
To Cesspool over there.
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:11.680
Yeah.
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:14.000
Um but Gavin Canop on everything.
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:15.039
K-O-N-O-P.
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.880
Nobody knows how to pronounce that.
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:22.319
Yeah, honestly, yeah, and you I always say that they probably do it because they second guess it's like, oh, it's probably not, so I'll go with Knape or something.
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:22.800
Canape.
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:23.520
What's the worst?
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:26.319
What's the worst uh so many?
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.159
I've seen I've heard I think Knope.
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:30.720
I'm like that's disrespectful.
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:31.680
Gavin Konope.
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:37.119
Thank God that's not like your first because, like, yeah, that'd be like Starbucks and Kanope.
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:39.119
Uh latte for Conope.
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:41.760
You're like Oh, yeah, it's Rapid Starbucks.
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:43.199
Yeah, mess that one up.
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:44.159
Yeah, that'd be good.
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:45.600
Anyway.
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.680
Alright, well, guys, thank you so much for tuning in, and we will see you guys next time.