ABOUT THIS EPISODE
More than a decade ago, I saved a simple educational technology graphic that made a lasting impression on me. In fact, I liked it so much that I contacted its creator, received permission to use it, and even printed it on the back of my business cards. Recently, while scrolling through old photos on my iPhone, I stumbled across that same image. At first glance, it looked like a relic from another era—but the more I studied it, the more I realized its message had never been more relevant.
In this episode of Randy Unscripted, we explore why it’s so easy to become captivated by the latest technology while losing sight of the reason we wanted it in the first place. From educational technology and artificial intelligence to business, ministry, parenting, and podcasting, this conversation goes far beyond the classroom to examine a timeless principle for making better decisions: Start with the outcome, not the tool.
Along the way, I’ll share why yesterday’s “revolutionary” technologies have become today’s nostalgia, why our purpose should outlast every platform we adopt, and three simple questions that can help you evaluate not only the next piece of technology, but almost every important decision you’ll make.
Sometimes the most important lesson isn’t found in the newest technology—it’s found in remembering why we picked it up in the first place.
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A better question is what are we trying to accomplish?
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Randy Black. Randy Black. Randy Black. Randy Black. Randy Black.
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Randy Black. Randy Black. Randy Black. He's a troublemaker.
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Welcome back to Randy Unscripted. I'm Randy Black, and this is the podcast where,
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I talk about things that just happen to come across my mind whenever they happen to come across it.
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And every once in a while, I find myself scrolling back through the thousands
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or hundreds or however many photos there are that I've saved on my iPhone.
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Most of them are family pictures, there's some screenshots, and there's things
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that I've saved there that I wanted to remember at the time,
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but completely forgot they were there later.
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A few days ago, I was doing exactly that when I stumbled across an image that
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I had saved more than a decade ago.
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I originally found it on Twitter back when Twitter was still,
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well, was still Twitter.
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And at the time, it resonated with me. In fact, I liked it so much that I reached
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out to the creator, got permission to use it, and I actually printed it on the
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back of my business cards.
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That's how much I believed in the message.
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So when I found it again this week, I smiled.
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Not because it brought back memories, but because it reminded me how much had changed.
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The graphic was all about educational technology and the left side listed tools
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that were popular at the time.
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Prezi, Edmodo, Animoto, classroom blogs, interactive whiteboards,
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and several other things.
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Now, looking at that list today, it's almost like opening a time capsule.
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Some of those tools, they still exist, but some have disappeared entirely.
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Others have been replaced by things we couldn't have imagined 10 years ago.
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And as I look at it, my first thought in my head was, wow, this graphic really shows its age.
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And then I kept reading. And that's when I realized I had completely missed the point.
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Or maybe I understood it back then.
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I just understand it better now.
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Because the outdated part was not the message. It was the examples.
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The technology had changed. The principle had not.
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The left side of the graphic listed technology. The right side listed outcomes.
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Things like raise awareness, start conversations, find answers,
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make a difference, drive change.
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And the more that I looked at it, the more I realized that those outcomes, they hadn't aged at all.
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They were just as relevant today as they were the first time that I saved that image.
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That realization had been rattling around in my head ever since.
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Not because it reminded me of where educational technology used to be,
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but because it made me wonder if we're still making that same mistake today.
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Maybe we're spending so much time talking about the latest tools that we've
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forgotten to ask why we're using them in the first place.
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And I don't think that's just an education problem. I think it's a people problem.
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Whether we're talking about schools or businesses or churches or families or
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even this podcast, we're often fascinated by the tools.
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But we don't spend nearly enough time talking about the outcome.
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So today I'd like to explore an idea that's been challenging my own thinking over the last few weeks.
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What if we've been starting with the wrong question?
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The longer that I've watched technology evolve, the more I've realized something.
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Think back over the last 20 years.
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There was a time when an overhead projector represented innovation.
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Then came smart boards, document cameras, student response clickers,
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iPads, Chromebooks, cloud computing, coding initiatives, virtual reality,
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artificial intelligence.
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Each one arrived with tremendous excitement. it.
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Each one promised to reshape education.
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Some truly changed the way that we teach and that students learn.
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Others, they quietly disappeared.
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But here's the interesting part. That's exactly what technology is supposed to do.
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Technology evolves, evolves through time. It improves. It gets replaced.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
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The problem isn't that the tools
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change. The problem is when our purpose changes every time the tools do.
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If our educational philosophy depends on a particular platform or app or device,
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then our philosophy has an expiration date.
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But if our purpose is to help students to think critically, to communicate clearly,
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to solve meaningful problems, and to become people of character,
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then every new technology simply becomes another tool to help us pursue that purpose.
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That's why that old graphic still matters. Not because of the tools on the left
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side, but because of the outcomes on the right. The names have changed.
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The conversation hasn't.
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Maybe that's our first clue. Maybe the most important question was never what's
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the newest tool, maybe the better question is what are we trying to accomplish?
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I think the reason this old graphic still speaks to me is because it exposes
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a habit that all of us have.
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When something new comes along, our first instinct is to ask about the tool.
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Should we buy it? Should we use it? How quickly can we implement it?
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What training do we need? Can we afford not to have it?
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And none of those are bad questions. They're just not the first questions.
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The first question should always be, what are we trying to accomplish?
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Because until we answer that, we really have no way of knowing whether the technology
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is helping us or simply distracting us.
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And I've noticed something over the years. Tools are exciting because they're tangible.
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You can hold them, buy them, install them, demonstrate them.
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You can put them on a brochure, show them off at a conference,
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or feature them in a keynote presentation.
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Outcomes, they're not like that. You can't always measure curiosity.
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You can't easily quantify wisdom.
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Character doesn't fit neatly into a spreadsheet. Critical thinking doesn't always
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show up in a product demonstration.
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But those are the things that actually matter.
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Maybe that's why we spend so much time talking about technology. It's easier.
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It's easier to buy a new tool than it is to build a culture.
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It's easier to purchase software than it is to inspire people.
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It's easier to measure implementation rather than transformation.
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And that's true whether you're talking about a school, a business,
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a church, or even your own home.
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That's why I think this old graphic has stayed with me all these years.
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It quietly reminds us to reverse the order.
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Start with the outcome not the tool when you do that something interesting happens,
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the conversation changes,
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instead of asking what should we buy you start asking what problem are we trying to solve,
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instead of asking what platform is best you start asking what kind of people
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are we trying to develop and those man they're entirely different conversations.
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Take artificial intelligence. Right now, it's the technology that everybody's talking about.
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Some people think it's going to completely transform education,
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and others think it threatens education.
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Personally, I think both sides are asking the wrong first question.
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The question isn't, should students use AI? The better question is,
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what outcomes are we hoping to achieve?
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If AI helps a struggling student receive better feedback, man,
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that's a wonderful outcome.
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If it gives a teacher more time to spend building relationships instead of completing
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paperwork, that's a wonderful outcome.
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If it helps students explore ideas more deeply and learn to ask better questions,
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again, that's a wonderful outcome.
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But if it replaces thinking, if it replaces curiosity, if it replaces genuine
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learning, then we've confused the tool for the outcome.
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The same technology can either strengthen learning or it can weaken it.
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The difference isn't the technology. It's the purpose behind using it.
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I think that's true of every innovation we've ever adopted. The tool simply
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reveals what it is we're trying to accomplish all along.
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Which brings me to three questions I've been asking myself lately.
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Not just about technology, but about almost everything.
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What am I trying to accomplish? Who am I trying to become? And who am I trying to serve?
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We're going to get back to those questions before we finish today,
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because I think they might be one of the simplest ways to decide whether a new
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tool belongs in our lives or not.
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So let's go back to that graphic for a minute. If someone created it today,
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instead of 10 or 15 years ago, the left side would look completely different. Prezi?
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Maybe Canva. Edmodo? Probably Google Classroom or Canvas or Microsoft Teams.
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Animoto? Maybe CapCut or Adobe Express.
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Classroom blogs? Perhaps podcasts or digital portfolios or even student-created websites.
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And instead of telling students to quote-unquote Google it, many of them would
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probably begin with ChatGPT or Gemini, Claude or Perplexity, maybe even Copilot.
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The names have changed. The capabilities have grown.
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But here's what really struck me. If someone listens to this episode 10 years
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from now, they will probably laugh at our list too.
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Some of today's tools, they'll still be around. Others, they won't.
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Some of it will be replaced by technologies we haven't even imagined yet. And that's okay.
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That's exactly what technology is supposed to do. Which is why I don't think
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the left side of this graphic is the most important part anymore.
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I think the right side, you know, it deserves an update too.
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The original graphic talked about things like raising awareness,
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starting conversations, finding answers, making a difference, and driving change.
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And those are still great outcomes.
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But if we're redesigning it today, I think I'd expand that list.
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Technology should help students to think critically, to communicate clearly,
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to ask better questions, evaluate information wisely, solve authentic problems,
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collaborate effectively, create meaningful work, adapt to change,
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serve others, make a positive impact.
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Notice what's missing there?
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There's no mention of any specific app.
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No mention of a particular device, no software platforms, no artificial intelligence,
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because those aren't technological outcomes.
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They're human outcomes. And I think that's where education is at its best.
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Not when students master a particular application, but when they develop skills
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and character that they'll carry with them for long after today's technology
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has become tomorrow's nostalgia.
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I've talked to people over the years who could barely remember what software
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they used in school, but they could tell you about the teacher who challenged them.
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The project that changed the way they thought. The assignment that gave them
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confidence. The mentor man who believed in them. That's what lasts.
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Students won't be remembered for the apps they learned.
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They'll be remembered for the problems they solved, the people they served,
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and the character that they developed along the way.
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Maybe that's the point this old graphic was trying to make all along.
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Technology has never been the destination.
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It's simply one of the vehicles that helps get us there.
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As I've thought about that old graphic over the last few weeks,
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I've realized something.
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This really isn't an episode for Randy Unscripted about educational technology.
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It's an episode about making better decisions.
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Technology just happens to be the lens we're looking through today.
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Because the truth is, every one of us is going to face another next big thing.
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There will be another app, another platform, another device,
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another trend, another innovation that promises to change everything.
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And when that day comes, I hope we resist the temptation to ask the first question
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that usually comes to mind.
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Instead, I'd encourage you to ask three different questions.
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The first one, what am I trying to accomplish?
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What's the real outcome? Not the feature, not the technology,
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not the excitement. What's the purpose?
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Second question, who am I trying to become? because every decision we make is shaping us.
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The tools we choose, the habits we build, the way we spend our time,
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they're all moving us toward becoming someone.
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The question is, is that someone we're intentionally choosing to become?
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And finally, who am I trying to serve? I think this may be the most important
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question of them all because when our focus shifts away from ourselves and towards
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serving others, the right tools often become much easier for us to recognize.
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Technology isn't valuable because it's impressive. It's valuable because of
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what it enables us to do for other people.
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And sometimes the best tool isn't technology at all.
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Sometimes it's your time.
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Sometimes it's your attention. Sometimes it's a conversation.
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Sometimes it's simply showing up.
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You know, the more I've worked on this episode, the more I've realized that,
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this principle shows up everywhere.
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Businesses buy software hoping it'll fix poor communication.
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Churches invest in production hoping it'll create discipleship.
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Parents search for the best educational app when their child may really need,
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something as simple as an uninterrupted conversation.
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Even in podcasting, it's easy to believe that the next microphone,
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camera, or editing tool will somehow make the message more meaningful.
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And trust me, I love good gear, but I've learned something over the years.
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People don't come back because of the microphone.
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They come back because they connected with the message.
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The tools simply help deliver it. That's true in podcasting. It's true in education.
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And honestly, I think it's true in life.
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You know, when I first came across that image again while scrolling through
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my Photos app, I almost deleted it.
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After all, the technology on the left side looked hopelessly outdated.
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Prezi, Edmodo, Animoto, tools that once felt revolutionary, had become little
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more than snapshots from another era.
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At first, I thought the graphic had simply outlived its usefulness.
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But the longer I looked at it, the more I realized it hadn't aged nearly as
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much as I thought. The tools had.
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The principal hadn't. And maybe that's the lesson that I'll carry with me from now on.
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One day, someone is going to look back at today's AI tools the same way that
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we look back at those names on that graphic. They'll smile.
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They'll remember the excitement. They'll wonder why we spent so much time debating
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those particular technologies.
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Because by then, something newer will have come along. It always does.
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Technology keeps moving forward. and that's a good thing.
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But as we continue chasing what's next, I hope we don't lose sight of what's
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always mattered the most.
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20 years from now, the student whose life was changed because a teacher believed
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in them will still matter.
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The parent who chose presence over distraction will still matter.
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The leader who invested in another person will still matter.
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The pastor who faithfully discipled someone will still matter.
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The friend who took the time to listen will still matter.
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Those are the outcomes that last.
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So before you adopt the next step, before you buy the next device,
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before you jump onto the next trend, pause for a moment and ask yourself those
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three simple questions.
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What am I trying to accomplish?
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Who am I trying to become? And who am I trying to serve?
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If you can answer those questions honestly, the right tool usually becomes obvious.
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Because in the end, technology isn't the point. People are.
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So start with the outcome, not the tool.
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Thanks for listening. Until next time, I'm Randy, and this has been Randy Unscripted.