ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Join us for an engaging exploration of storytelling through the eyes of creative professionals! From unexpected beginnings to the challenges in the evolving media landscape, our host Chris Keaton connects personal anecdotes with valuable lessons from the creative journey. Here, you'll find humor and insight as Chris shares how simple decisions can lead to profound changes, like transitioning from aspiring musician to storyteller through a saxophone.
Meet our guest, Sam Dean—an accomplished filmmaker who started as a newspaper photographer. Sam brings a wealth of experience to our discussion about adapting to industry changes and the importance of storytelling in today's fast-paced digital age. The balance between confidence and humility features prominently in our dialogue, reminding listeners of the importance of continual learning and resilience in their creative endeavors.
Throughout the episode, we encourage you to reflect on your own unique path, whether you're in the arts or simply navigating your daily life. Prepare to be motivated, amused, and inspired to notice the stories around you, as well as within. Ready to delve into the tales of creative lives? Tune in now and let the conversation begin! Don't forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review to stay connected!
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Hello, loved ones, and welcome, welcome.
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Welcome to this episode of Random Acts.
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I'm Chris Keaton.
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Here we go.
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Okay, I'm going to do this five things thing again.
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You may not like it.
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And if you don't like it, please let me know, because if you don't like it I'll turn it into 10 things that you don't know about.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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But anyway, here's five things you may or may not know about me and, again, you may not even care, but that's okay.
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Number one I'm not a rocket scientist.
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No, I'm not.
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Number two my uncle, however, was a nuclear physicist at Los Alamos, so he was a rocket scientist.
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Third thing and I just heard this one today from my buddy, andrew, I'm telling you my producer, bad decisions make for great stories.
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I love that.
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All right, one of my neighbors in Nashville was Pee Wee Herman's sister.
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Yeah, can't make that shit up, I'm telling you, all right.
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And number five seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan February, brother and I suddenly decided we wanted to play in a band.
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Well, it didn't happen right away, but within a couple of years, we had a neighborhood band startup.
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Yeah, so I wanted to be in the band.
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I already played a little bit of piano and fancied myself a singer, but I came to the meeting of the guys that were going to put a band together and they said, hey, we'd love to have you, but you got to play something.
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I'm like, well, I play piano.
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Well, we got a piano player.
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And I'm like, ok, so talk to my dad.
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My dad said, well, look, I'll take you to the music store.
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Let's figure this out, we'll see if we can find you something to play.
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And I'm like, sweet.
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He said, though, the only way I'll do it is if you will take lessons and play in the band at school.
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And I was like, sweet, I'm in.
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So we go to the music store downtown Roanoke, walk in, we see a trumpet.
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My dad says, oh, look, there's a trumpet, that's pretty cool.
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I'm like I don't know, don't know, no offense trumpet players.
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And then we walk by a saxophone.
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He said, look, there's a sax.
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He said you know, chicks dig sax players.
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And I'm like, hey, let's stop right there, I'll take one of those.
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So that's how I became a sax player.
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And, it is true, ladies do love sax players.
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It's just the reality of it.
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So look, all of that to say being a musician, being any kind of creative, we're all storytellers and it's all about the stories that we tell and you know the people that we meet through those stories.
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So with that I want to say, my guest today is a neighbor of mine, a guy named Sam Dean.
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He's a very creative dude, really really cool guy, and I'm very happy and in just a few minutes you're going to get to meet him.
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All right, hang on, hang on.
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If the chemistry is solid, we'll get it fun.
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Oh no, you saw me fall.
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Just can't say no.
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What's wrong with feeling?
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It might be better than it was before.
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What's wrong with feeling?
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You know, I really enjoy this part of the show more than just hearing myself blabber.
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But I mean, maybe you like to hear me blabber.
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In fact I hope that you do.
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But now I'm going to give the opportunity to a dear friend of mine to also blabber along with me, because I think two blabbers are better than one, probably.
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Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, I want you to meet my friend, sam Dean.
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Sam, how are you?
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I'm doing great, chris, how are you?
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Thanks for having me.
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Fantastic man.
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I mean, don't I look good?
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You always look good, chris, you just drafted me and I know, you know, that was an easy fishing compliment right there.
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Thank you for making that so easy you made it easy compliment right there.
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That was thank you for making that so easy.
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Okay, so when gina and I moved back to virginia and started spending more time, you were one of the first people that I met in the neighborhood.
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And then I come to find out that you're a brilliant, ultra creative kind of guy, which what I mean yeah, you are.
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I mean, you're a photographer, you're a videographer, you're a filmmaker and I'm doing it in the backwards order but a great dad and a great husband as well.
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Also, a pretty good neighbor.
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I mean.
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I know that every now and then, your yard is like mine, not good.
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I do pick up after my dog, if that makes me a good one.
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Well, that does yeah.
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Some people don't I know.
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But we won't name names today, will we?
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Well, push me far enough we might.
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Yeah, okay, so tell me about.
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So, first off, you started as a photographer, correct?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, I'm.
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Well, let's see.
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What brought me to the Roanoke Valley was working at the Roanoke Times and I started that work in 1999.
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I came here at the tail end of my college career at the University of Montana and a friend of mine had come out the previous summer for an internship and he said, hey, you got to go to this place, place Roanoke.
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They got some things happening there, so drove all the way across the country from Montana and spent a summer here and enjoyed it and, you know, went back, graduated, was working down at the Miami Herald on an internship that was turning into a year contract position and had to make some decisions there and just not much of a South Florida type of guy.
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Probably, career-wise I'd been better thing to do, but the job came up in here.
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It came in 2000.
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Planned was to stay for a couple years and get back out west because I have a Western heart.
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But I met a beautiful girl from Lynchburg and here we are, you know, almost 25 years later, 26 years later.
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And you're still here, but the Roanoke Times is kind of not.
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Yeah Right, I mean, I think I just came in the.
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we all knew it even then.
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Yeah, I came right in at the tail end of you know we I came right in at the tail end of you know we would think it was a traditional newspaper age.
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They could never figure out a way to monetize it.
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Their old method of doing things and a lot of it unfortunately has failed.
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But a lot of really good, thoughtful journalists who work there are still in the area doing other things, thankfully.
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Those are all good people.
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Thankful for them.
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So you kind of rolled from that into, instead of doing just still photography, doing videography and and I mean I call it filmmaking because you're a storyteller yeah, so, um, I'm a commercial filmmaker now and photography director, director of photography.
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That that kind of came about, you know, when video and usage of video and images becoming more ubiquitous across the Internet in the late 90s and early 2000s, and even in print journalism people were making the transition to online stuff, we were doing a lot more video works.
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I'd done that limitedly and when I, when I left uh, the roanoke times just seeing the writing on the wall, um, having no other useful skills, I always say I just started my own, my own small photography production company, um, I went out and I took my book of photos to a little advertising agency here in town who I still work with they're wonderful people, McHugh Harris and I said, hey, can I do some photography work for you?
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And the guy listened to me very patiently, david McHugh, and he said photography's great, but do you do video work?
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And I was like, yeah, of course.
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I do.
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We all know these creative fields.
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You know sort of fake it till you make it.
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I had a new just enough to uh, just enough to be dangerous.
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My brother, however, was living up in brooklyn and had gone to film school, and so they hired me to to direct a tourism film for having done, and so I called him up.
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I was like hey, can you come down and shadow direct this thing for me?
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And he did, and we shot that back in 2012.
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And that got me started in the tourism world.
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So that's primarily what I do now is I work in the tourism sector.
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Visit Virginia, especially one of my bigger clients, visit North Carolina, but I've worked with Virgin Islands, places in California let's see where you're doing stuff for New York state next month and Kentucky A lot, of, a lot of different places.
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I would never have predicted that that's where I'd end up.
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Yeah, but you know I mean, unfortunately you do have to go a lot of places that suck like the.
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Virgin.
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Islands, I mean.
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So I'm curious about this, because so one of the bands that I was in, some genius agent, had us going to Thunder Bay, canada, thunder Bay, ontario, canada, in January and February one year.
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And I'm thinking to myself, you know, florida would have worked a little better.
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So do you think you can get it to the point where you're in the Virgin Islands, like December, january, instead of with all due respect to New York State, but I mean, you know it is, it's winter.
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Well, you've got skiing and you've got a lot of winter activities we're going to be around Lake Placid and everything.
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From what I understand, haven't seen full schedule yet.
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So there's that.
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Virgin Islands.
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Their season is November to March, so that's when we've gone down there.
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We didn't get down there this December.
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Actually this was when I was there last year producing brand film for them with one of the agencies that I work with.
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But yeah, that's kind of my deal, it's a kind of you know, everybody has different seasons, but yeah, no, it's fun, it's wonderful going to these places, you know, but it's sometimes 10, 12 days in a row of 15-hour days.
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So, you know, film production, life is wonderful, but it's very hard work.
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Yeah, it's not glamorous.
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It has moments of glamour.
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I was watching the guys out pouring a concrete slab in your driveway this morning in these cold mornings, and you know these guys work in a house construction down the street and I was like I'm glad I'm not out swinging the hammer this morning, so you know.
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There is a lot to be thankful for right there, yeah, that I'm not out switching camera this morning, so you know there is a lot to be thankful for right there, yeah, so when you're just me being curious, when you're putting together to try to present the story of, like I've seen some of the stuff that you've done for, like, the city of portsmouth, I don't, I'm not sure that that's exactly what, but it was centered in city of portsmouth.
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City of Portsmouth.
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There is a whole arc to the narrative in like a you know, 30, 60, 90 second video.
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Yeah, how in the world do you do that?
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Well, at this point in time I do.
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I don't do a whole lot of the concepting anymore.
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A lot of times I work with advertising agencies and creative directors and so they kind of have this vision, you know, this kind of loose, loose idea of what they want to create according to the brand guidelines for the client, you know, and so it's storytelling in that sense and we're kind of coming in, I think, the one with Portsmouth.
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The idea for my friend Todd is a creative director.
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There is people overlook Portsmouth because you've got Virginia Beach and Williamsburg and that sort of thing.
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Right.
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And the whole entire idea is to say, hey, you know, it's to get a lot of local travel in there and to show some of their history and things like that.
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So that's kind of what we go with is, you know, creative director will come up with a campaign.
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That's kind of what we go with is is you know, creative director will come up with a campaign, and then it's sort of my idea is that the director of photography or the during the jerk on the film is to figure out how we're going to execute that.
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Yeah.
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And with lighting and camera angles and directing and talent, those sort of things.
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Well, one of the other ones that I've seen is again and this goes to like, I guess visit North Carolina, but mainly in the mountains, like some of the ski stuff that you did last year.
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So tell me about that.
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I mean, cause there was obviously some action on your part.
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You weren't just standing there shooting.
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Well.
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So it's interesting, we actually have another shoot with um, with one of my clients I do a lot of mountain work is a beach mountain town, a beach mountain down in North Carolina, both the resort and the town.
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And yes, I've always been pretty active in the outdoors and will be 50 this year and I'm starting to have to think about pumping the brakes a little bit with that.
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But follow cam skiing.
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You know where you're skiing with the camera, following somebody who is skiing or snowboarding with the camera, and you know you have to have a certain amount of skill to do that.
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I'm a decently skilled skier but I have on my left shoulder I have a broken collarbone of skiing photography incidents, and then on my right one I was doing mountain biking.
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I also would beach mountain out in the wintertime, but in summertime the summer, as I probably told you and was running with a gimbal chasing mountainers and dislocated my right shoulder.
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So my wife, as we're going down there in January, she's like you're not allowed to do that stuff anymore, you're going to have to find a different way.
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So the brakes have shown up, yeah in the form of my wife.
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She's like there's some bad juju at that place.
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You just let the younger guys do that or something, and I've got a great crew of guys that I work with at this point.
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Now.
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It's more directing and less camera operating.
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I still do a lot of still photography, but in terms of the film work, it's more sitting there with a monitor and letting the young guys off the cameras.
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So, getting yourself into photography, was it the love of light and just the way that light works differently?
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I mean, like where we live in Virginia, you can look at the mountains around our house and five minutes later they look completely different, just because of the lighting.
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Yeah, is that what got you into photography or what did completely?
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different just because of the lighting.
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Yeah, is that what got you into photography, or what did you know?
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It's hard to say Probably like a lot of kids who grew up in the 70s and 80s and probably, I'm sure, before that.
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We had to.
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You know, you remember we always have this massive collection of National Geographic.
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Yeah.
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The house there, you know, and I would thumb through those things and unfortunately even that's become a thing of the past.
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But I traveled a lot as a kid and I still enjoy traveling.
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I think looking at the images in those magazines and culture and wanting to create something kind of instilled that desire inside of me.
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And I started off as an art major and an English major in school, switched over to journalism but picked up a camera.
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My senior year of high school got more into it.
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My freshman year of college Changed schools and went to the photojournalism program and so I think that's sort of you know, backed into it.
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You know what I mean.
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Now I look back at it and I really do enjoy storytelling, but I wish that I'd probably gone to film school rather than journalism school.
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Of course you know.
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You just don't.
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You don't know this, these things, until you to you experience them.
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But you know a lot.
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I hear a lot of people.
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It's like Werner Herzog would never advocate going to film school.
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He's like just get a camera and go tell a story.
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Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, and I, I mean, I think that that there's a lot of merit to that.
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And going back to what you said earlier about fake it till you make it, I mean, you know, music business with me was the same way.
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I would just show up and somebody would ask me something.
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If I needed to, I would tell them a lie and then I would go learn how to do what they asked me to do.
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That's right, but mean, I think that and this is not a message to all you young folks out there However, I think that the question ought to be asked before you get ready to go and commit for four years of school somewhere, you have to start thinking about is that going to get me from point A to point B?
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Because I don't think that.
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Well, at least with me, there was no clear direction from A to B.
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Yeah, no for sure, and most of the in terms of journalism, some of the best photographers that I know of don't have degrees in photography or journalism.
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James Knockley, I think he's probably a preeminent war photographer out there.
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He's getting older these days, but if you look up his work you'll see some heartbreaking, amazing stuff.
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I think he had a degree in history.
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One of the current recent Pulitzer Prize winners actually interned with us at the Rundown Times.
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His name is Marcus Yan Wow and he was a smart kid and I can't remember what he studied, but he didn't study journalism.
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It might have been economics or something like that study journalism, it would you know, might have been economics or something.
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Yeah, um, and so I think people who are just curious about the world and then then find their way into it, I think the same things would look at me as filmmaking very, very passionate.
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Um, you know about what I do now, but uh, um, yeah, wouldn't have predicted this is where I was going to end up.
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So, like you're saying you just kind of you know, but but there's the other side of it too, is and this is again going back to the ubiquity of images.
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These days you have so many young people that think, because I see all this imagery out there, I can do it and I should be able.
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I should be where you are at 49 years old when I'm 22.
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Yeah, and there's the whole entire notion of the 10,000 hours, right?
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So with photography I've had 10,000 hours and 10,000 hours and 10,000 hours and filmmaking.
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Maybe I'm getting close to my first 10,000.
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I don't know.
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I still have a lot to learn.
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I'm enjoying learning about it, but there's a process that balance between confidence and yourself and your work and your creativity and your vision and your drive for that, and also some humility in realizing you know you've got to pay your dues and you've got to learn.
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You've got to always be learning.
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Yeah, and I totally agree.
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I mean, if you ever stop learning, you're done.
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You know.
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And the other side of that the confidence coin is, you know, come in one way it's humility, the other way is arrogance, which is a whole other thing, you know.
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I mean that's confidence with nothing to stand on, absolutely.
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And I feel like when I run into young people in my industry, you very seldom do you find someone who's balanced in both, and maybe none of us are fully.
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I don't.
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I think is what requires the work, but most of the time you've got a young person who's just super ambitious and they're real, go get and they get a lot of energy, but they're arrogant, you know, and they don't know what they don't know, and they've got to be humbled, naturally.
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Or you have somebody who has the skills and the work ethic and they're quiet but they lack the confidence to step out and keep going on their own.
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And it is balance and it's finding your own.
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You know you gotta, and you gotta, find your way through that Sure.
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Well, sam, thank you for being my guest today.
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I want you to please tell everybody how they can find you.
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Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram and SDinPhotos.
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My website is samdinfotographycom.
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Beautiful.
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Well, Sam, thank you very much.
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I appreciate you being one of my random acts.
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Hey, I'm always proud to be a random act or something.
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Hopefully it's a good act.
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Thank you, my brother.
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All right.
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Thanks, chris.
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All right, yeah, that was my buddy, sam Dean, and I'm telling you, as you can see, there's always a through line, there's always some kind of story to the storytellers.
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And as we go through, random Acts, as we go forward, that's what we're going to talk about.
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We're going to talk about storytellers and the stories and we're going to even make up stories as we go along, probably.
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But I'm telling you so leaning back into me, seeing the Beatles and it changing my life.
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Interestingly enough, when I was in a band in the 70s called High and Mighty, I met a guy who actually showed up at a nightclub when my saxophone I had popped a spring off of it and I'm trying to fix it.
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This dude walks into the dressing room, says, hey, man, can I help you?
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And I'm like sure.
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And he said well, I just graduated instrument school, instrument repair school, and maybe I can fix that for you.
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And I'm like, yeah, okay, what?
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So I gave him the sax and, boom, like that, he fixed it.
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Well, we hired him right away.
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He became our third member of the road crew.
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The other two guys treated him like a dirt bag.
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It was awful, but Phil's a very smart guy.
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Phil Romano was his name, and one of the funniest things that ever happened, though, was we were getting ready to leave Wilmington, north Carolina, early one morning.
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Pulling out of the motel, he throws his suitcase into the back of the truck and forgets to pull the back of the van down.
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So they take off and the back of the truck is wide open.
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His suitcase falls out Before they realize it and stop.
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Some car drives by, a random car picks up the, the suitcase, puts it in the car and takes off.
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So phil is like freaking out.
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The other two guys are laughing.
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They think it's the funniest thing ever.
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So they pull into a place to have breakfast, they sit down and the the two main guys are sitting there and and they're thinking you know, we really should apologize to him, we shouldn't have laughed at him.
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So phil comes walking over with his tray of food and he's also got an iced tea on there, and as he got ready to sit down, kid Funk, one of the other road guys, looked at him and said hey, man, I'm really sorry, we shouldn't have laughed at you.
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Well, phil tripped and the iced tea went all over Kid Funk's breakfast and all into his lap.
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So he stood up and said what the hell with you?
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You, son of a gun, I don't care, we're going to laugh at you anyway.
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So, anyway, instant karma right there.
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I don't know why I told that story, but yes, I do know why I told it, because Phil Romano has, for the last 25 years, been Paul McCartney's piano tech.
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There it is.
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That's how shit works out sometimes.
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I'm just telling you Okay, all right.
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So I want to talk to you one more time about this new project I got.
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It's called the Song Inside you and what it is.
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I am aiming at people my age 40 to 70 years old, somewhere in between.
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There you probably loved music your whole life.
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You probably started out in a band, but then you had a career come along that you had to go and you had to make money and do things.
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Well, now you're at the point in your life where you made the money.
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You've done a lot of things, but you never realized your dream of being a songwriter, making a song, having it you know, a demo of it created.
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So what we have put together is a program for you.
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I am going to connect you with hit songwriters.
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I mean proven hit songwriters from Nashville.
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You get yourself to Nashville.
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We put you up in a killer hotel, you have a songwriting session with that hit songwriter.
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You put together a song.
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The very next day you go on a killer studio with unbelievable musicians and you do a demo of the song.
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And then the third day, you fly home with a cd or an mp3 or whatever format we'll be using tomorrow of your song.
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How cool is that.
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So if you're interested at all, please go to the website thesonginsideofyoucom.
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Yes, thesonginsideyoucom.
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I'll get it right one of these days.
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Or reach out to me, chris, at chriskeatoncom.
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I'll be happy to tell you all about the program.
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Also, don't forget, I've got two books out there right now Dapper and Confidence on the Fly.
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You can get them.
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You can purchase them from me, chris, at chriskeatoncom.
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Anyway, thank you for being here for this episode of Random Acts, and all I can say right here is thank you, hey, hey, hey.