Riding on Vibes

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Brian Wringer: In this episode, we're meticulously maintaining and furiously fixing,
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Brian Wringer: and Kentucky draws nigh.
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Brian Wringer: We get philosophical and ride with good vibes in our superhero gear,
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Brian Wringer: and we learn about short boots from an expert in short. Is that mysterious enough for you?
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Brian Wringer: Opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter.
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Robin Dean: Random song of the minute. This round, the song is Sarniez, or Sarnie,
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Robin Dean: or Sarnayez, or I don't know.
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Robin Dean: But it's by the newly infamous Augène du Pratouine Check it out Great song to write to Absolutely
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Brian Wringer: Hope you like mosquitoes.
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Robin Dean: Yeah
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Robin Dean: News! First one up, Arizona turns illegal lane splitting into reckless driving
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Robin Dean: while preserving limited lane filtering.
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Robin Dean: This comes from azfamily.com.
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Robin Dean: Arizona's new law makes moving between traffic lanes a reckless driving offense
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Robin Dean: with possible license surrender and a suspension of up to 90 days for a first conviction.
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Robin Dean: A repeat within 24 months can bring at least 20 days in jail and a one-year licensed suspension.
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Robin Dean: Filtering between fully stopped cars remains legal only on roads posted at 45
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Robin Dean: miles per hour or less with at least two adjacent lanes and a rider's speed
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Robin Dean: no higher than 15 miles per hour.
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Brian Wringer: Where are you supposed to put the lawyer that has to ride with you to tell you,
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Brian Wringer: okay, go, go, go. No, no, no, no, don't do it here.
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Robin Dean: It'll take time for this to actually pick up because the fact remains that no
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Robin Dean: matter who you are, if you see a motorcyclist pass you between,
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Robin Dean: they filter up, you think, oh, I was winning.
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Robin Dean: And now they've cheated and now they're winning and it's like,
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Robin Dean: it's not a race. They are actually making a space for a vehicle available that
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Robin Dean: would not otherwise be available by filtering.
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Brian Wringer: I'll also say that if you're in a situation where lane filtering might look
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Brian Wringer: like a good move in Arizona, you're doing it wrong.
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Brian Wringer: You're in the wrong place. You have screwed up somewhere. Get out of there. Head to the mountains.
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Robin Dean: What's this guy here? MSR?
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Brian Wringer: MSR. Malcolm Smith Racing releases a new Explorer with an X Explorer Explorer,
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Brian Wringer: line of adventure gear at Rocky Mountain ATV Motorcycles so they're almost a
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Brian Wringer: house brand I'm not sure there's a relationship there I'm not sure what it is but,
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Brian Wringer: A long time ago, like 10 years ago, MSR released a very nice line of ADV gear.
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Brian Wringer: I had some, and I really enjoyed it. It was very high quality for the money.
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Brian Wringer: I had to sell it when I lost a whole ton of weight.
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Brian Wringer: But it was really good stuff for the price. And I think this seems like a similar
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Brian Wringer: idea and with some upgrades. They've got D3O armor. The specs are really good.
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Brian Wringer: $430 for the jacket, $360 for the britches.
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Brian Wringer: It seems high, but it's about half or less of what Climb wants for stuff that fills a similar demand.
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Brian Wringer: The whole range of sizes, they actually have tall sizes, which a lot of people
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Brian Wringer: will like. A lot of great details.
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Robin Dean: That's an understatement, man. This thing is pocket-tastic, all of it is.
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Robin Dean: They got like 40 pockets on everything.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah, yeah. You're like Batman with all the pockets and belts and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's part of the adventure style. But anyway, it looks like good gear at a great price.
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Robin Dean: Okay, well, the next one, opposite the above, a protective base layer lets riders
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Robin Dean: wear ordinary clothes without giving up AA-rated abrasion coverage.
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Robin Dean: So, this comes from Motorcycle.com. Pando Motos, $333 Shell UH-03
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Robin Dean: is a close-fitting CE-level AA-armored shirt with level-1 shoulder and elbow
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Robin Dean: armor designed for hot weather or under a casual jacket.
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Robin Dean: The review praised its cooling and versatility, but the back protector costs
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Robin Dean: extra and the chest fabric showed some pilling.
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Robin Dean: Does hidden armor make riders more likely to stay protected?
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Robin Dean: Or does a proper jacket still win on weather pockets and repeated touring use?
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Robin Dean: I'm going to say, whatever, pick the right tool for the job. This is cool.
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Robin Dean: If you're riding local and you want to look like you're being a hooligan,
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Robin Dean: like you're doing it wrong, you can do it right while looking like you're doing it wrong.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, back in the day, Bone, B-O-H-N, armor, and they may still be around,
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Brian Wringer: I don't know, but it was the same idea. Basically, you get underwear with armor
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Brian Wringer: in it and then put whatever you want over the top.
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Brian Wringer: If it gets more people wearing some sort of protection, great.
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Brian Wringer: Is it going to be like a full-blown protection with all the weather protection? No.
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Brian Wringer: All right, Zero, the electric motorcycle maker, Zero, plans DC fast charging for new bikes.
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Brian Wringer: And this is interesting a retrofit path back to 2022 models.
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Robin Dean: That's what grabbed me about it right there. Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: So Zero says a CCS fast charging modules planned for 2027 street and dual sport bikes are,
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Brian Wringer: And this is being engineered as an accessory for compatible 2022 and newer models.
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Brian Wringer: The unmet promise of electric vehicles in general has been modularity.
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Brian Wringer: The target is a 20 to 80% charge in under 30 minutes on bikes with batteries
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Brian Wringer: up to 17.3 kilowatt hours.
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Brian Wringer: And of course, pricing and final compatibility are still pending.
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Brian Wringer: So Zero's current high-end Level 2 setup can cover the same charging in under
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Brian Wringer: 45 minutes. So the bigger gain may be access to common car chargers rather than
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Brian Wringer: to raw speed. Plus, you're not in the way of a car for as long.
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Robin Dean: I mean, five-minute and ten-minute chargers are coming. They're on the way,
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Robin Dean: but it's just not for the batteries that were built at that time.
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Robin Dean: So the adaptability is good, you know?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, so like a half-hour stop, that's doable.
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Brian Wringer: I've hung around in many a gas station for half an hour while everybody chats
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Brian Wringer: and smokes and pees and drinks Pepsi and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: So it'll be interesting to see what this actually ends up costing and,
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Brian Wringer: you know, and how that changes the game for current owners, for new owners of
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Brian Wringer: Zero Motorcycles. I love seeing it, though.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Now, last one up, a $349 motorcycle dash bundles, CarPlay, dual cameras,
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Robin Dean: TPMS, and blind spot warnings.
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Robin Dean: Now, we've been interested in this more as of late just because we want consolidation,
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Robin Dean: simplicity, and things that are out of sight and mind while we're riding and focusing on the road.
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Robin Dean: This comes from UltimateMotorcycling.com, but the CPMC X6,
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Robin Dean: it combines a bright 6.25-inch CarPlay and Android auto display,
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Robin Dean: front and rear 2K cameras, tire pressure monitoring, and camera-based blind
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Robin Dean: spot alerts in one weatherproof box. This is what I like about this.
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Robin Dean: Months of testing found useful hardware, but also occasional reboots,
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Robin Dean: weak instructions, and no true standalone navigation.
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Robin Dean: So, you know, it's like, oh, in development and made from a parts bin or something.
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Robin Dean: But this is the cheap all-in-one dashboard argument with the catches left in.
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Robin Dean: Can a solid power feed and offline maps make the rough edges acceptable?
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Robin Dean: Or are separate proven devices still worth the handlebar clutter?
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Robin Dean: I already know the answer to this. Screw the clutter. Get it on one thing that's
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Robin Dean: easy to replace. It's known cloud entities.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. I can't wait to see where this is going to be in two to five years.
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Brian Wringer: I think it's going to get solved and it's not going to be janky and it's going
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Brian Wringer: to be awesome. And we're all going to buy it and somebody's going to get rich.
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Robin Dean: Why not us?
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Brian Wringer: Why not? Yeah.
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Robin Dean: How have you been, man?
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Brian Wringer: Good. Been very busy fixing, riding, getting ready. Still...
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Brian Wringer: Things to do before Kentucky and so forth. Had a lovely dual sport ride, had some KLR crap to fix.
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Brian Wringer: I'll skip a lot here, but basically the bike wasn't idling right.
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Brian Wringer: So I started digging. And then when you turn over the rock and all the roaches
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Brian Wringer: scurry out, that's kind of what happened with the carburetor on my KLR.
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Brian Wringer: So the petcock was bad. The vacuum diaphragm was leaking, you know.
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Brian Wringer: 21 years old and this damn pile of crap is leaking.
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Brian Wringer: So I had to convert the petcock to a manual operation using a kit i bought years
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Brian Wringer: ago i've been carrying around a little baggie for 10 years or at least it's
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Brian Wringer: just a little plate and a piece of rubber,
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Brian Wringer: converted it to manual for the weekend um had to pull the carb out clean the
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Brian Wringer: idle jet out it wasn't idling for some reason and and again i'll admit,
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Brian Wringer: i haven't ridden a klr since like before the track day so i had to be what six
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Brian Wringer: weeks or something so that's my fault it usually doesn't happen,
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Brian Wringer: but i did order the Kawasaki one, which was $100, $102.
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Brian Wringer: And I know it's the right part and it's got the brand name on it.
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Brian Wringer: Anyway, that's the one I put in there. And then finally, there's a whole rant
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to skip on. Why the hell you can't get good fuel line?
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Brian Wringer: Because the fuel lines on my KLR were literally falling apart.
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Brian Wringer: I put a finger on it and it just went bloop. I mean, that could have easily
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Brian Wringer: been like a boot full of gas, you know? So I'm glad I caught that.
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Brian Wringer: Finding good fuel line is more difficult than you might think.
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Brian Wringer: You can get the rubber stuff for cars all day, but it doesn't even fit on a lot of motorcycles.
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Brian Wringer: Like there's not even room next to the carburetor for it, the thicker stuff.
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Brian Wringer: So all figured out, all the nonsense figured out, ordered new fuel line,
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Brian Wringer: about all that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's all good. KLR is healthy.
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Brian Wringer: I just had to remember to turn the fuel off and on for a day and it was awful.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, I don't like doing that. I really don't.
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Brian Wringer: So anyway, some good friends have come up with a dual sport ride happening in
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Brian Wringer: late October in the Monongahela area of West Virginia.
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Brian Wringer: I really want to go, but it's,
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Brian Wringer: Eight hours, 468 miles of trailering just to get there.
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Robin Dean: One way?
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Brian Wringer: One way. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a little rough.
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Brian Wringer: And also, that's kind of the height of deer season around there,
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Brian Wringer: too. So I'm a little spooked by that as well. Although that area,
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Brian Wringer: it's riding paradise, but it's dual sport paradise.
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Brian Wringer: So many dirt and gravel and forest roads. You know, choose your own adventure. It's amazing.
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Robin Dean: Whatever you're doing, if you're riding there, it's going to be great.
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Brian Wringer: We're sorting out our logistics for Kentucky. That's going to be great.
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Brian Wringer: Going to see each other in a couple days. Going to do some riding.
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Brian Wringer: Going to get some wiggly time in on the roads.
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Robin Dean: I'm excited.
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Brian Wringer: Robin, what have you been up to?
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Robin Dean: I just finished Neil deGrasse Tyson's Astrophysics for People in a Hurry and
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Robin Dean: just picked up Stealing Speed, which is about the Cold War era where
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Robin Dean: a German racer wanted to defect and brought technology and handed it over to Suzuki.
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Robin Dean: I'm just starting this. So if you look up the book Stealing Speed,
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Robin Dean: that's what I'm into now.
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Brian Wringer: Two-stroke stuff, yeah.
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Robin Dean: It is super cool. I'm really, yeah, he was basically introducing workable two-stroke
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Robin Dean: technology to a drooling, receptive Japan.
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Robin Dean: You know, like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's do this.
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Robin Dean: With the exception of Honda, who wanted to stay with the four-strokes.
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Robin Dean: Great book so i just started that maggie's bike her sv650 is now pretty well
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Robin Dean: situated we got new chain check coolant top off check
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Robin Dean: and you know drain to the proper level uh the top case hardware and all that
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Robin Dean: is installed check and her signals are now back on
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Robin Dean: i don't know when signal relocation of all things became this giant process
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Robin Dean: this big task but feck haha
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Robin Dean: The hardware from Puge versus the hardware from SWMotech, the hardware for the
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Robin Dean: top case basically would not fit into position with the turn signals mounted,
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Robin Dean: or with the mounts for the signals in place even.
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Robin Dean: So I had to cut them off with the grinder and then found some other brackets,
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Robin Dean: cut them down, polished them, blast them with some bed liner,
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Robin Dean: and now she has signals again. So it's looking really good. Now she's got a
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Robin Dean: touring machine. She wanted a touring machine.
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Robin Dean: It's back. Speaking of bags, now five days after that squid rant in that bit
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Robin Dean: that I did, she spotted a small posse of sport bikers riding up to Indiana 62 from the dock,
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Robin Dean: which is notorious for irresponsible riders hanging out, right?
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Robin Dean: Her observation was that all of them were wearing full gear, full ag-gag.
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Robin Dean: Excellent choice. You know, refreshing to know. We are packing and preparing
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Robin Dean: for New Mexico. We're on our way home.
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Robin Dean: And so I've spent the past two days tearing things down, cleaning everything
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Robin Dean: inside of everything, and then putting it all in the truck, getting that ready,
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Robin Dean: tore our portable garage apart, got the bikes all set.
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Robin Dean: But now I'm just packing up the rig itself in an effort to just be ready to go after Berea.
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Robin Dean: So after you and I go rock the roads for two solid days, technically,
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Robin Dean: I think you and I are going to be rocking roads for about four days.
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Robin Dean: I come back here and it's game on. We are heading to New Mexico.
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Robin Dean: It's that time. Let's do this thing. Yes.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: That's what I got. My biggest thing is I got all these Ryobi things now because
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Robin Dean: the battery system, that OnePlus stuff, I don't know where I'm going to put it all.
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Robin Dean: So the Jenga is completely different. Everything is going to puzzle piece and
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Robin Dean: jigsaw into a different place than before. It's going to be a creative act.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. Next up, we have questions from the wild.
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Robin Dean: Now, if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your
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Robin Dean: web browser and send us a message.
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Brian Wringer: So the question is, what do you think is the coolest motorcycle you can own
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Brian Wringer: that is not borderline functionally useless as effective transportation?
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Brian Wringer: So one of the things I immediately thought about on this question is you really
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Brian Wringer: need to divide it into new and old, because I don't think the coolest motorcycle
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Brian Wringer: is something that's being made right now.
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Robin Dean: Sure.
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Brian Wringer: But there are some very cool motorcycles being made right now,
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Brian Wringer: and there's something to be said for something old and something new.
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Brian Wringer: Now, if you're talking new, something you could drive to the grocery store,
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Brian Wringer: you could ride to the grocery store, you know, pretty much anything will start
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Brian Wringer: and run every day. It will get you to the grocery store. You can throw on a backpack and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think GV makes any racks or luggage for the Panigale.
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Brian Wringer: I could be wrong. No, I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: I just remember the guy at the track day on a new Panigale. I mean,
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Brian Wringer: his eyes were just like saucers.
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Brian Wringer: He was like, I need to learn how to ride. I don't know what I'm doing.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, the manual didn't include any links to the talent involved to ride this
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Robin Dean: machine. I don't know what to do now.
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Brian Wringer: At least he knew it, you know, at least he had that sense. And if you're talking
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Brian Wringer: about, you know, things that are red, like I prefer naked bikes personally.
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Brian Wringer: So I think the Panigale is not cool enough for me.
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Brian Wringer: So I would say the Monster is in the ballpark. It's kind of ordinary,
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Brian Wringer: though, because there are a lot of them around.
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Brian Wringer: Or you could go with the Aprilia Tuano V4, a beast of a naked bike.
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Brian Wringer: And here's the thing. I can't tell if they're still in business or if this is still a new bike.
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Brian Wringer: The MV Agusta Brutale. Naked bike. It's got that little pitchfork exhaust.
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Brian Wringer: I've seen them in person and they're crazy.
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Robin Dean: It's an insanely beautiful machine.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know if they're still making it or not. So kind of where I landed was,
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Brian Wringer: back in the Dream Garage episode.
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Brian Wringer: It was a bike that I've actually ridden.
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Brian Wringer: Like it has just enough practicality. I could ride it every day and I could
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Brian Wringer: probably figure out a way to get some luggage on there to go places.
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Brian Wringer: But that would be the triumph scrambler 1200 and this is the 1200 xe the xe
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Brian Wringer: is the important part it's got the upgraded olin suspension,
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Brian Wringer: or irlins or however you say that it'd be incredibly stupid but i think it would
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Brian Wringer: just be practical enough to be able to to use every day and and if i had to
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Brian Wringer: be an only bike that kind of thing,
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Brian Wringer: and if we're talking about old stuff then we need to talk i Let's just get really weird.
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Brian Wringer: Basically, go forkless is kind of my idea here. By Moda Tesli or Tezi or the
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Brian Wringer: Yamaha GTS-1000. Find, like, the best Yamaha GTS-1000.
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Brian Wringer: Find the only one that's still running and ride around and make people go, what the hell is that?
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Brian Wringer: What are your thoughts, Robin?
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Robin Dean: I'd start with the XB-12S, the Buell. Ha ha!
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Robin Dean: Not the R, the S. I just think that is a lean, mean, hate machine.
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Robin Dean: It's just all of the pissed, tons of beauty, but it's all compacted.
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Robin Dean: There's no airspace between any of the parts.
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Robin Dean: And we cannot ignore the new Norton Manx.
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Robin Dean: What a bike. Yeah, it's been discussed, and I just think it's just such an elegant-looking machine.
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Robin Dean: But then there's all these wild cards that are funny to just talk about, like the Hawk GT.
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Robin Dean: It's such a great bike. It's problematically small, and they don't make a luggage
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Robin Dean: pack for that. What are you going to do? Really? You know?
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Robin Dean: However, if you look up Joe Godin on our podcast website, there is a friend
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Robin Dean: who's been on the show who flew to Chicago, bought my Honda Hawk GT, and rode it to Texas.
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Robin Dean: Some people are just a glutton for punishment, or, like, you know,
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Robin Dean: did he, like, rename it the hemorrhoid machine? I mean, you know,
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Robin Dean: there's also the Pacific Coast, Honda, the Tupperware Extraordinaire.
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Robin Dean: That's an amazing machine that's very purpose built and can do all kinds of stuff. They're cool.
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Robin Dean: The list is extensive. So I think that if you're looking for the coolest motorcycle
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Robin Dean: you can own that is not borderline functionally useless, that's a long list.
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Robin Dean: There's a lot of good options. Next question.
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Robin Dean: For a 31,000 mile European tour, is the Tracer 7 GT's agility worth giving up
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Robin Dean: the Tracer 9 GT's power and electronics?
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Robin Dean: This comes from a rider planning six months across Europe expects roughly 31,000 miles total.
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Robin Dean: And about 185 to 310 miles per day. The choice is between the lighter,
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Robin Dean: more manageable Tracer 7 GT and the roomier, stronger Tracer 9 GT,
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Robin Dean: with cities and mountain roads making agility matter while sustained mileage
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Robin Dean: raises questions about comfort, wind protection, luggage, fatigue, yada, yada.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to say, get the 7. I went from the R1200RS to the GSX-8R.
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Robin Dean: I'm completely indifferent to the whole power thing. It was all about,
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Robin Dean: what do I want to do next? This feels so good. I'm happy.
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Robin Dean: I'm smiling. So do that.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, exactly. And that was kind of my first impression. The one thing that
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Brian Wringer: comes to mind is how tall and how large is this person?
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Brian Wringer: If they were an extra medium, average, statistically middle of the road,
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Brian Wringer: in the middle of the bell curve humanoid like Robin here, then absolutely get to seven.
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Robin Dean: My name is plain oatmeal. What is yours?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, they use this guy. This is the average humanoid. If this person is taller,
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Brian Wringer: has longer legs, the 9 would have a little more room and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think you're really going to miss the power either way.
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Brian Wringer: I have an FJ09, obviously. That is the predecessor of the Tracer 9.
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Brian Wringer: I have ridden the Tracer 9, and there's a tiny, tiny difference in agility.
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Brian Wringer: I do think that the FJ is a little more agile.
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Brian Wringer: It's a shorter wheelbase by like two inches.
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Brian Wringer: However, the Tracer 9 is still a stunningly lightweight machine for what it
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Brian Wringer: is and the power it is and what it offers and the room it offers.
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Brian Wringer: If the 7 costs a lot less, that's going to give you a lot more money to do fun
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Brian Wringer: things and stay on the road longer.
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Brian Wringer: So that's part of it. However, the Tracer 9 has much better suspension.
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Brian Wringer: So that's the other big difference. So I don't think agility is really it.
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Brian Wringer: I think it's more like if you need the room,
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Brian Wringer: Or if you would like to have the upgraded suspension and you can spend the money, great.
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Brian Wringer: Or if spending less money, a little more basic suspension, a little bit smaller
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Brian Wringer: bike, but your average size, then go with the 7.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, both is their answer, yes. All right, on a remote motorcycle trip,
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Brian Wringer: which comforts earn their luggage space and which safety items are non-negotiable?
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Brian Wringer: Here's a situation. A rider heading into the back country for several days found
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Brian Wringer: that even a supposedly light setup became a pile of weight once fuel,
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Brian Wringer: water, tools, emergency gear, cold weather layers, camp shoes,
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Brian Wringer: and a chair were included.
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Brian Wringer: Cutting the load in half is possible, but only by deciding which risks can be
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Brian Wringer: planned away and which conveniences protect sleep, recovery,
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Brian Wringer: and judgment. That's a great point there.
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Brian Wringer: And I guess this means they're camping, right?
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Robin Dean: Yeah, they must be. And for this, I would suggest go to TRO.bike and mouse over
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Robin Dean: DigiTools in the main menu, hamburger menu on your phone, and then click on
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Robin Dean: motorcycle packing checklist.
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Robin Dean: We update at any time we feel like no to this, yes to that.
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Robin Dean: And it's been pretty static for quite some time and it's always worked out or been quite helpful.
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Brian Wringer: That bit about making sure you can get rest and so forth. So a tent you can
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Brian Wringer: trust, a lightweight tent that you can trust, a pillow, something to put your head on.
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Brian Wringer: Not just wad up some clothes or something, or at least get used to wadding up
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Brian Wringer: some clothes and putting your head on that.
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Robin Dean: And more than just trusting it, make sure you learn how to use it if you don't
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Robin Dean: know already. There are a lot of people who are going to hear that and be like,
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Robin Dean: it's me. And it's like, okay, not for you. You know how to camp.
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Robin Dean: You know what you're doing.
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Robin Dean: But if you haven't done this before, you need to know how to dig a trench around
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Robin Dean: your tent. You need to know how to make sure that everything that you want to
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Robin Dean: keep dry will remain dry should there be a heavy downfall and you're in this
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Robin Dean: tiny little borderline coffin made of nylon.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, and I think most people bring way too many clothes. I mean,
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Brian Wringer: do bring layers and so forth, but don't bring so many clothes.
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Brian Wringer: I bring too many clothes.
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Brian Wringer: Robin's got this a little bit, it's kind of down to an art of,
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Brian Wringer: there's things being washed in sinks, I don't want to know.
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Brian Wringer: And I've seen people drag along speakers, you know, just too much electronics,
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Brian Wringer: things like that, keep that down to a minimum.
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Brian Wringer: And the other thing is, they mentioned fuel, really depends on how long you're
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Brian Wringer: going to be gone. I mean, do you really need a camp stove, you know,
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Brian Wringer: or is that really essential for rehydrating food, things like that?
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Brian Wringer: And also bringing water.
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Brian Wringer: If you have to carry three days worth of water, you're going to be very, very sad.
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Brian Wringer: And I've learned, you know, I used to do a lot of backpacking and figuring out
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Brian Wringer: your water sources, where those are going to be when you get there,
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Brian Wringer: or at least grabbing water when you get closer. You know, if you're on a motorcycle,
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Brian Wringer: you're going to be passing through, you're going to be getting gas.
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Brian Wringer: So get water when you get close to camp or get water at your camp.
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Brian Wringer: The things that have kept me awake at night It's not so much the stuff I have,
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Brian Wringer: it's whether I've practiced, whether I'm used to sleeping in the tent,
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Brian Wringer: whether I'm used to the crinkly noises that get made all night.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like a lot of air mattresses make horrible noises and crinkles and
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Brian Wringer: crunches you don't really know until you try it.
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Brian Wringer: So that would be the thing is just kind of get used to using your kit.
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Brian Wringer: Make sure you have a sleeping bag or a sleeping arrangement that works for you
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Brian Wringer: that's going to keep you warm enough.
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Brian Wringer: Temperature ratings are a lie every damn time. They're just damn lies.
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Robin Dean: Totally. And it's like basically break down and set up three times.
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Robin Dean: If you can do that inside of an hour, you are golden. You're going to be fine.
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Robin Dean: But push yourself. Be like, okay, what is the system? What is the approach? What am I doing when?
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Robin Dean: Because nothing is worse than setting up camp after dark.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, I know where everything is. And things like, you know,
00:25:16.746 --> 00:25:18.474
Brian Wringer: we talked about tools a lot.
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Brian Wringer: We've got articles on TRO.bike about tools and so forth. I tend to carry a lot,
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Brian Wringer: more tools than most, but that's because they get used.
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Robin Dean: Dude, I just dumpster dived for tools I thought I was going to get rid of and
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Robin Dean: realized this is a mistake.
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Robin Dean: I was like, why do I have two of the same bits in this Allen head?
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Robin Dean: And it's because I scaled down my toolkit for the bike to use my Leatherman
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Robin Dean: Wave and it's two bearing. It's like two bearings ratcheter.
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Robin Dean: That's not going to take an axle nut off. That's not going to handle 74 foot pounds of torque.
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Robin Dean: I had all these doubled sockets. I was like, there's no reason to keep these.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to give them to Goodwill.
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Robin Dean: Then I realized, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Go get those. There are some things
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Robin Dean: that you should have on your purse.
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Robin Dean: The light kit does the light task the heavy kit needs to be there for the oh shit moments
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Brian Wringer: Yeah and i would say again the same principle applies practice beforehand use your road tools,
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Brian Wringer: to do maintenance to practice things or at least make sure you can reach things
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Brian Wringer: that you're going to need to reach may reach the adjustments and so forth,
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Brian Wringer: you can probably get rid of a lot of a lot of weight that way one thing that
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Brian Wringer: that happens a lot is people will go camping when it's hot And that is a,
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Brian Wringer: like, everybody's kind of ready for it to be cold, but nobody's ready for it
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Brian Wringer: to be that hot and sweaty and nasty.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. For that, bring bug spray.
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Brian Wringer: Bug juice.
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Robin Dean: Cover yourself in that noise. Be comfortable. Be able to rest.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, basically practice with everything and then you'll know what it's going to be like.
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Brian Wringer: For me, we're doing a lot of really hardcore backpacking in winter and stuff like that.
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Brian Wringer: Teaching yourself how cold you can be and you're not going to die versus,
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Brian Wringer: oh, this is too cold. I'm going to die. I need to do something.
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Brian Wringer: Learning and practicing that stuff is very important. And you can just kind
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Brian Wringer: of shed weight and shed weight and shed weight.
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Robin Dean: One more time before we move on, if you'd like us to field your questions,
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Brian Wringer: Visit email.tro.bike.
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Robin Dean: In your web browser and send us a message. Brian, what do you got in store for us in the primary topic?
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to call it riding on vibes. We talk a lot about maps and GPS and dashboards
00:27:28.936 --> 00:27:30.946
Brian Wringer: and screens and drawing a line
00:27:30.946 --> 00:27:35.468
Brian Wringer: and, you know, figuring out the route and aerial views and so forth. But,
00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:39.368
Brian Wringer: There's also a skill that you can lose over time, and that's riding like,
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to go northwest, and I'm going to get to this town.
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to figure it out as I go. You had a conversation about something called
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Brian Wringer: the 81 Challenge. I think it was a gentleman's 81st birthday,
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Brian Wringer: and the challenge was to ride 81 miles without a device or without a map.
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Brian Wringer: Just go out and vibe and see where the vibes take you.
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Robin Dean: That was in support of dementia patients, by the way, but yes.
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Brian Wringer: Use your local knowledge, follow the weather, follow the terrain,
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Brian Wringer: and just see what happens and what you find and see what you feel like.
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Brian Wringer: I feel like Goat Pass today, or maybe I'm looking for the big sweepers,
00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:15.471
Brian Wringer: or I just kind of vaguely remember there's something interesting over that next
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Brian Wringer: hill, that kind of thing.
00:28:16.652 --> 00:28:21.331
Brian Wringer: We did a dual sport ride with some very good, very close friends of mine last week.
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Brian Wringer: That's kind of how I did it. You know, that's kind of how we always do it.
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Brian Wringer: One thing is these guys don't really care where we are. That's always fun. Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. We're here somewhere.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. You know, there are people I ride with who just don't care.
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Brian Wringer: Like, hey, just take me somewhere. Cool. Let's go ride, man. We're vibing.
00:28:39.972 --> 00:28:43.159
Brian Wringer: We're in the wind. And sometimes you're like that. Sometimes you want to know,
00:28:43.618 --> 00:28:46.537
Brian Wringer: can we get some lunch? Or I have to pee. Or I need gas.
00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:50.306
Brian Wringer: So other than that, though, it's just all like, oh, let's drift around and go
00:28:50.306 --> 00:28:51.530
Brian Wringer: over here and go over there.
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Brian Wringer: One of the things I wanted to add, you know, like Robin, you've lived in a lot
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Brian Wringer: of places, you've ridden in a lot of places, you've had a chance to get out
00:28:58.236 --> 00:29:01.549
Brian Wringer: and poke around and explore and feel the vibes and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: Like in New Mexico, for example, or when you were in Idaho and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: Did you just go out and do that?
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Robin Dean: Wow, that's a damn fine question because I don't quite remember what caused
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Robin Dean: us to choose that location.
00:29:16.734 --> 00:29:20.086
Robin Dean: But I think that we knew there was going to be stars. The campground looked
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Robin Dean: nice. The town seemed really cool.
00:29:22.603 --> 00:29:27.125
Robin Dean: Then I immediately zoomed out until I saw curves. And did I ever?
00:29:27.357 --> 00:29:30.991
Robin Dean: There were just plenty of curves. That's how we chose the location.
00:29:31.444 --> 00:29:36.180
Robin Dean: We got set up there and I started kind of like eyeballing, what are my options?
00:29:36.639 --> 00:29:39.518
Robin Dean: What is this really going to take? And here's the thing.
00:29:39.971 --> 00:29:44.446
Robin Dean: I had no reference. I didn't have any friends who said, oh yeah,
00:29:44.446 --> 00:29:46.937
Robin Dean: you got to ride this. Oh yeah, I've ridden that.
00:29:47.297 --> 00:29:53.316
Robin Dean: This was unknown territory on the social scale in terms of what's going to be
00:29:53.316 --> 00:29:58.266
Robin Dean: good jackpot man i just zoomed out and i saw i want to do this i want to do
00:29:58.266 --> 00:30:01.688
Robin Dean: that i heard about this from one person who's a local
00:30:02.895 --> 00:30:08.776
Robin Dean: that'll be devil's highway as brian puts it a dirt road with pavement underneath and
00:30:10.075 --> 00:30:15.016
Robin Dean: there's a real sense of adventure in that alone when you're that isolated and
00:30:15.016 --> 00:30:19.653
Robin Dean: you zoom out to find all these distant start points of amazing writing
00:30:20.895 --> 00:30:24.587
Robin Dean: That's really exciting because you have to figure, okay, where are the gas stations?
00:30:25.051 --> 00:30:32.766
Robin Dean: So I guess my preparing was just about survivalism, but the writing was, we're going to find out.
00:30:33.161 --> 00:30:33.434
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:30:33.794 --> 00:30:37.979
Robin Dean: The instant the key was on, once the motor was running, the bike was in motion,
00:30:38.444 --> 00:30:44.266
Robin Dean: I was simply looking forward to the first series of curves and thought,
00:30:44.725 --> 00:30:46.675
Brian Wringer: Holy shit.
00:30:48.417 --> 00:30:52.387
Robin Dean: Is it really to scale per what i thought it was to get me to the next gas station
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.356
Robin Dean: i got lucky it was it was perfect so that's how i did so did that actually answer your question
00:30:57.821 --> 00:31:01.198
Brian Wringer: Yeah exactly that's exactly what i was saying you know like how do you explore
00:31:01.198 --> 00:31:05.768
Brian Wringer: and you really have to let go of the map and the gps and the pre-planning and
00:31:05.768 --> 00:31:07.669
Brian Wringer: all that stuff a little bit or a lot of bit.
00:31:08.128 --> 00:31:12.478
Robin Dean: You want to feel like oh yeah let's do this we're gonna go ride this you want
00:31:12.478 --> 00:31:18.055
Robin Dean: come from a place of excitement that is positive, not a place that is fear and concern.
00:31:18.484 --> 00:31:23.948
Robin Dean: So the fact that you don't know that alone, there's a certain energy from that
00:31:23.948 --> 00:31:27.093
Robin Dean: that really makes it a lot of fun to see new stuff.
00:31:27.546 --> 00:31:30.239
Brian Wringer: So there's a difference here, and we talked about this before,
00:31:30.379 --> 00:31:33.818
Brian Wringer: between a place with mountains and like terrain, terrain.
00:31:33.818 --> 00:31:34.547
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:31:34.999 --> 00:31:40.068
Brian Wringer: Versus Indiana. Like we've got some hills. Like Indiana has some fantastic roads
00:31:40.068 --> 00:31:41.304
Brian Wringer: you're sitting on right now.
00:31:41.768 --> 00:31:42.018
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:46.818
Robin Dean: The difference between hills and mountains are we made a bunch of roads because
00:31:46.818 --> 00:31:54.788
Robin Dean: moonshine, and that is the road because diamond-encrusted taxpayer dollars.
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.338
Robin Dean: You go to a mountainous region, and you're limited to these are the roads,
00:32:00.338 --> 00:32:05.388
Robin Dean: and we've engineered them as such to be exactly what they need to be for their
00:32:05.388 --> 00:32:08.637
Robin Dean: use. And even then, they're just a playground for motorcycling.
00:32:08.950 --> 00:32:12.358
Robin Dean: But you go to some place like Berea where it's like, rootin' tootin',
00:32:12.358 --> 00:32:18.151
Robin Dean: I gotta get my moonshine to the next day. You know, it's like they're hiding. Old school. Old school.
00:32:18.610 --> 00:32:22.848
Brian Wringer: They literally followed the cow home and then paved it all over Kentucky.
00:32:23.300 --> 00:32:24.920
Brian Wringer: Yeah, and all over southern Indiana, too.
00:32:25.373 --> 00:32:27.958
Brian Wringer: Like in New Mexico, you had to pay attention to things like,
00:32:27.958 --> 00:32:32.292
Brian Wringer: oh, yeah, I'm going to run out of gas. Or this may or may not be paved.
00:32:32.751 --> 00:32:35.769
Robin Dean: I already told the wife, it's like, if everyone could fuck off,
00:32:36.228 --> 00:32:41.368
Robin Dean: everybody that I care about, if all the people I spend the most time with could
00:32:41.368 --> 00:32:43.705
Robin Dean: all just fuck off, I'm moving to Berea, Kentucky.
00:32:44.528 --> 00:32:49.196
Robin Dean: Because it's just like, what roller coaster do you want to invent today?
00:32:49.568 --> 00:32:52.018
Robin Dean: That's the deal. That's the spot, Berea, Kentucky.
00:32:52.482 --> 00:32:56.238
Robin Dean: But, you know, I really enjoy my friends.
00:32:56.458 --> 00:33:02.322
Robin Dean: So Madison, Wisconsin, Indianapolis, Indiana, Brevard, North Carolina,
00:33:02.780 --> 00:33:05.629
Robin Dean: and, of course, home down in New Mexico.
00:33:06.838 --> 00:33:09.636
Brian Wringer: Very awesome. I live on the northwest corner of Indianapolis.
00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:15.136
Brian Wringer: If I have 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour or two hours, I've got like directions
00:33:15.136 --> 00:33:20.270
Brian Wringer: I can go and just kind of vibe around and find something that's entertaining.
00:33:20.717 --> 00:33:25.106
Brian Wringer: You know, it's not like a circus like in southern Indiana, but I can keep myself
00:33:25.106 --> 00:33:30.176
Brian Wringer: happy and scratch the itch a little bit and get out and blow the stink off for
00:33:30.176 --> 00:33:33.419
Brian Wringer: an hour and have a good time pretty close to home.
00:33:33.883 --> 00:33:37.356
Brian Wringer: And I think everybody does that, you know, And again, that's a kind of vibe
00:33:37.356 --> 00:33:41.702
Brian Wringer: writing. Like, oh, yeah, I'll go. There's Fishback Road. I'll go check that out, you know.
00:33:42.132 --> 00:33:43.508
Robin Dean: Fishback Hollow Point.
00:33:43.972 --> 00:33:48.136
Brian Wringer: Yeah, that's literally a road near here. Fishback Road. There's all kinds of
00:33:48.136 --> 00:33:49.526
Brian Wringer: little stuff. Oh, there's a guy.
00:33:50.086 --> 00:33:54.015
Brian Wringer: They got horses over here. And there's like bees. Wow, man. Cool.
00:33:54.473 --> 00:33:57.521
Robin Dean: I so want to make this Berea trip exactly what you're describing.
00:33:57.974 --> 00:33:58.010
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:33:58.781 --> 00:34:00.963
Robin Dean: How do we do it? You know, I want to go
00:34:01.415 --> 00:34:07.847
Robin Dean: relax and exhale and fine tune my orchestration of all that is new to me.
00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:13.109
Brian Wringer: For example, maybe like, OK, I think lunch will be over here and then just sort
00:34:13.109 --> 00:34:17.083
Brian Wringer: of noodle it out from there and see what happens. Yeah, it'd be kind of fun.
00:34:17.512 --> 00:34:23.033
Brian Wringer: Now, Kentucky is also full of these little tiny goat roads. So that's going to be interesting.
00:34:23.491 --> 00:34:27.404
Robin Dean: Yeah. Do you remember the hideaway in Wisconsin? Listen, it's not there anymore.
00:34:27.857 --> 00:34:33.349
Robin Dean: The Hideaway was a place that I think our friend Batfam, we'll just say Batfam
00:34:33.349 --> 00:34:35.560
Robin Dean: from the GS Resources, he found it.
00:34:35.925 --> 00:34:40.689
Robin Dean: And they did these perfectly cubed breaded cheese curds and walleye cheeks.
00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:41.999
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:34:41.999 --> 00:34:45.057
Robin Dean: And it was just all you wanted to eat for the whole day.
00:34:45.515 --> 00:34:51.912
Robin Dean: I miss my 30-something-year-old metabolism. Truly, I do.
00:34:52.371 --> 00:34:56.679
Robin Dean: But man it's like if you don't you don't run into places like that by way of
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.849
Robin Dean: like um well i'd like to see the google reviews for this rating is this a particular
00:35:01.849 --> 00:35:04.646
Robin Dean: how many feather points does this particular
00:35:05.112 --> 00:35:11.072
Robin Dean: execution of an excellent restaurant it's not a five star hyatt regency anything
00:35:11.503 --> 00:35:15.019
Robin Dean: you don't find this stuff that way you find this stuff by accident and it's
00:35:15.019 --> 00:35:16.407
Robin Dean: better than anything you've ever had
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:19.199
Brian Wringer: Yeah go and look and see what's going on there.
00:35:19.659 --> 00:35:25.202
Robin Dean: The world is out there waiting for you to observe it in a way that is both intake
00:35:25.422 --> 00:35:32.221
Robin Dean: and non-threatening to its existence you know just to be able to go out and experience things
00:35:32.691 --> 00:35:36.719
Robin Dean: and say thank you to the people who were hoping you would show up go do that
00:35:37.114 --> 00:35:38.868
Robin Dean: motorcycling allows that yeah
00:35:39.383 --> 00:35:44.419
Brian Wringer: The one other thing about riding on vibes and so forth is you often kind of
00:35:44.419 --> 00:35:46.762
Brian Wringer: have to do that when you're trying to dodge weather.
00:35:47.213 --> 00:35:49.679
Brian Wringer: And like we've done that, I've done that, you know, like, okay,
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:54.208
Brian Wringer: over here where we want to go, there's this front. But if we go here, we may end up behind it.
00:35:54.680 --> 00:35:58.149
Brian Wringer: I mean, that's actually a lot of fun. Or at least I find that really interesting
00:35:58.149 --> 00:36:02.891
Brian Wringer: sometimes to try to anticipate the weather and get around it. Sometimes it works.
00:36:03.153 --> 00:36:07.059
Robin Dean: It's a lot more fun than when you and I are like, together, we understand exactly
00:36:07.059 --> 00:36:12.893
Robin Dean: what we're doing. and we're going to beat these storms. And we hit every storm, every single storm.
00:36:13.282 --> 00:36:18.879
Brian Wringer: All the water in my underwear, yes. And sometimes you make it.
00:36:18.879 --> 00:36:24.724
Brian Wringer: You know, we got to Bedford right before, slide in, gas up, kaboom.
00:36:25.183 --> 00:36:29.432
Robin Dean: Like three storms we managed to dodge on regular riding efforts.
00:36:29.583 --> 00:36:33.101
Robin Dean: It was one time that you and I got pummeled, but it was unavoidable.
00:36:33.565 --> 00:36:36.889
Brian Wringer: Yeah, and it also kind of brings you, you're like a sea captain and trying to
00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:39.271
Brian Wringer: put together, you know, those kinds of skills. So it's a lot of,
00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:42.161
Brian Wringer: yarr, there be squally over there.
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Brian Wringer: It's time for segment two, the Armory. Brought to you by gearchick.com.
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Robin Dean: G-E-A-R-C-H-I-C.com.
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Brian Wringer: What are some pieces of gear that are so cool that I want to put it on and they
00:37:08.499 --> 00:37:11.346
Brian Wringer: make me want to go ride and go fast and do dumb things?
00:37:11.816 --> 00:37:17.009
Joanne Donn: For me, it would be a new helmet. Now, if I have a whole new outfit head to
00:37:17.009 --> 00:37:21.858
Joanne Donn: toe, yes, of course, that will make me want to go out. But we're talking separates.
00:37:21.975 --> 00:37:24.424
Joanne Donn: Helmet for sure. It's the most flashy.
00:37:24.889 --> 00:37:28.395
Joanne Donn: Jacket is second. I don't think any other pieces can be as flashy.
00:37:28.853 --> 00:37:36.504
Joanne Donn: SMK, the lesser known global brand that is made and based in India.
00:37:36.957 --> 00:37:39.976
Joanne Donn: And they are the number one helmet manufacturers in the whole world.
00:37:40.307 --> 00:37:42.698
Joanne Donn: So they make the most helmets of anybody.
00:37:43.157 --> 00:37:48.683
Joanne Donn: And they have a nice collection of easy helmets, as I like to call them.
00:37:49.142 --> 00:37:52.178
Joanne Donn: And there's no extra tariffs or markups, which is great.
00:37:52.642 --> 00:37:55.869
Joanne Donn: But yeah, like the quality and the finish is really nice for the price point.
00:37:55.869 --> 00:37:57.907
Joanne Donn: I just like this color because it's cute.
00:37:58.366 --> 00:38:04.059
Joanne Donn: It's like turquoise. It's like magenta with blues, gray, black.
00:38:04.059 --> 00:38:07.119
Joanne Donn: This is their sporty helmet, like their sport track style.
00:38:07.577 --> 00:38:10.114
Joanne Donn: They're basically an intermediate oval. That's me too.
00:38:10.579 --> 00:38:14.572
Joanne Donn: This fits me pretty well so far. But I've only written it for about 20 minutes.
00:38:15.459 --> 00:38:21.079
Brian Wringer: I see a lot of like shorty boots and things that look like they're supposed
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.307
Brian Wringer: to be motorcycle shoes, but they look like high top sneakers.
00:38:24.708 --> 00:38:27.564
Brian Wringer: They look like work boots. They look like this, that, the other, and so forth.
00:38:28.022 --> 00:38:31.773
Brian Wringer: Are those things a reasonable choice are you compromising too much.
00:38:32.244 --> 00:38:35.860
Joanne Donn: The lowest entry point for like a low high top is $130.
00:38:36.319 --> 00:38:42.652
Joanne Donn: And that's a true motorcycle shoe because they also CE certified their shoes.
00:38:43.111 --> 00:38:45.438
Joanne Donn: It's a RE-AX, it's a house brand. Riv's a low one.
00:38:45.903 --> 00:38:49.111
Joanne Donn: This is just an example. I haven't looked at the RE-AX shoe.
00:38:49.111 --> 00:38:51.831
Joanne Donn: It's called the RE-AX Ventra Air. I haven't looked at it in depth.
00:38:51.831 --> 00:38:53.507
Joanne Donn: This is my first time looking at it.
00:38:53.838 --> 00:38:57.577
Joanne Donn: I just see in their subject that it is a CE certified shoe.
00:38:58.047 --> 00:39:04.134
Joanne Donn: That's actually a really good thing to point out because whenever brands CE certify their shoes,
00:39:04.598 --> 00:39:11.371
Joanne Donn: you know for a fact that they have done a couple of minimum things to ensure
00:39:11.371 --> 00:39:14.386
Joanne Donn: that there is protective value in this shoe.
00:39:14.844 --> 00:39:19.141
Joanne Donn: If you're holding the shoe in your hand and then you put it on its side and
00:39:19.141 --> 00:39:24.614
Joanne Donn: then you basically put the sole between like a vice just to see how
00:39:25.471 --> 00:39:30.581
Joanne Donn: solid that rigidity, it's called transverse rigidity from left to right across
00:39:30.581 --> 00:39:33.473
Joanne Donn: the sole of your shoe, how strong is that support?
00:39:33.618 --> 00:39:38.575
Joanne Donn: Because your foot can get trapped underneath your motorcycle under the weight of it.
00:39:38.877 --> 00:39:41.077
Joanne Donn: That alone can do some serious damage,
00:39:41.546 --> 00:39:45.343
Joanne Donn: So at the bare minimum, you know that these have been tested for that.
00:39:45.755 --> 00:39:50.393
Joanne Donn: Same goes for ankle and heel and toe impact protection.
00:39:50.852 --> 00:39:55.520
Brian Wringer: Yeah, like the example you have, it looks kind of like a work boot.
00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:59.808
Brian Wringer: So it'd be like, I'm going to go to Home Depot. I'm going to run to the grocery store.
00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:02.884
Brian Wringer: It looks like it'd be decent for walking too, you know.
00:40:03.343 --> 00:40:05.171
Brian Wringer: So it'd be kind of the around town stuff.
00:40:05.630 --> 00:40:10.256
Joanne Donn: The shoes follow the same idea as a lighter jacket, a lighter glove,
00:40:10.721 --> 00:40:13.972
Joanne Donn: a jean instead of a heavier pant.
00:40:14.430 --> 00:40:20.264
Joanne Donn: But also keep in mind that there are entry-level brands that do not even add ankle protection.
00:40:20.729 --> 00:40:25.730
Joanne Donn: So you want to make sure that one, if you can, find CE-certified footwear because
00:40:25.730 --> 00:40:30.522
Joanne Donn: then you know all your bases are covered and you don't have to look for anything else.
00:40:30.992 --> 00:40:32.640
Joanne Donn: If it's not CE certified, you
00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:37.145
Joanne Donn: want to find out, is it reinforced at the heel, the toe, and the ankle?
00:40:37.598 --> 00:40:41.296
Joanne Donn: And some people will do it and just not CE certify it. That's fine.
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.210
Joanne Donn: They could be just as protective. They're not going through the whole process
00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:49.850
Joanne Donn: of CE certification, but they're just manufacturing them to protect you in those
00:40:49.850 --> 00:40:53.208
Joanne Donn: areas. That's what's important, whether it's CE certified or not.
00:40:53.637 --> 00:40:59.660
Joanne Donn: Buy a good solid motorcycle shoe that has reinforcement where you want it and
00:40:59.660 --> 00:41:05.484
Joanne Donn: then you know wear them when it's appropriate there's a lot of low adventure boots now
00:41:05.948 --> 00:41:11.410
Joanne Donn: and those are not meant to actually not really off-road in right they're meant to
00:41:11.930 --> 00:41:18.080
Joanne Donn: Sure you got a back road you need to quickly go down yes but they're not designed
00:41:18.080 --> 00:41:22.347
Joanne Donn: for you to go off the pavement for a day and go ride.
00:41:22.789 --> 00:41:27.462
Joanne Donn: They're meant to be your, you know, around town shoe.
00:41:27.933 --> 00:41:33.639
Joanne Donn: And function as a light-duty adventure riding boot where you might be,
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.276
Joanne Donn: you're gonna take your KLR out
00:41:35.735 --> 00:41:41.708
Joanne Donn: and maybe you live on a big property and maybe you have to ride a couple miles
00:41:42.167 --> 00:41:45.510
Joanne Donn: through some dirt or something to get to the pavement.
00:41:45.911 --> 00:41:47.815
Joanne Donn: That's the appropriate time to wear those.
00:41:48.262 --> 00:41:52.546
Joanne Donn: When you get to a $200 riding shoe, now what you're buying is quality.
00:41:52.854 --> 00:41:58.889
Joanne Donn: The protection may not be that much better, but you're getting a more quality
00:41:58.889 --> 00:42:03.859
Joanne Donn: shoe that won't wear out as quickly, will last longer, and you probably won't
00:42:03.859 --> 00:42:05.693
Joanne Donn: have to warranty anytime soon.
00:42:06.157 --> 00:42:09.729
Joanne Donn: Because when you're on a sport bike, no, you don't want to wear a chunky short
00:42:09.729 --> 00:42:15.765
Joanne Donn: adventure shoe. You can't. It's impossible to hit your levers and your brakes properly.
00:42:16.223 --> 00:42:19.497
Joanne Donn: So if you're going to buy a riding shoe for your sport bike,
00:42:19.962 --> 00:42:21.854
Joanne Donn: find like more sport focused.
00:42:22.319 --> 00:42:27.392
Joanne Donn: For people on sport bikes, that's where you're going to spend more for a short riding shoe.
00:42:27.851 --> 00:42:31.665
Joanne Donn: Like, Dianese has a slightly higher track shoe.
00:42:32.135 --> 00:42:36.279
Brian Wringer: So to answer the question, these are reasonable choices, and you've given me
00:42:36.279 --> 00:42:37.295
Brian Wringer: several things to think about.
00:42:37.754 --> 00:42:41.970
Joanne Donn: They may or may not be reasonable for the rider if their expectations are ridiculous.
00:42:42.423 --> 00:42:45.279
Brian Wringer: So, yeah, I have a pair of boots with the BOA system, but only because they
00:42:45.279 --> 00:42:49.453
Brian Wringer: were on a deep, deep, deep clearance. And fundamentally pretty cheap.
00:43:25.669 --> 00:43:31.590
Robin Dean: Yikesy yips, the heebie-jeebies, the jitters, the creeps, the wim-wams.
00:43:32.026 --> 00:43:35.780
Brian Wringer: So when I was talking about the trips in West Virginia, there's a potential
00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:43.327
Brian Wringer: trip for West Virginia brewing, but it's in deer season and deer give me the yips big time.
00:43:43.768 --> 00:43:46.131
Brian Wringer: I've got scars you don't want to see from deer.
00:43:46.566 --> 00:43:50.676
Robin Dean: The deer population here in Indiana is excruciatingly high.
00:43:51.117 --> 00:43:54.480
Robin Dean: It's attenuating my senses. You know, we're driving through the pitch black
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.800
Robin Dean: of night in the truck. And all of a sudden it's like, it's a brown white tail
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.591
Robin Dean: dipshit cramming on the brakes, honking the horn.
00:44:00.823 --> 00:44:05.270
Robin Dean: Where do they run? Of course they run out to wherever they would most likely die. I'm with you, man.
00:44:05.735 --> 00:44:09.845
Brian Wringer: Joanna, what gives you the yips? Is deer on your list? It gives you the heebie-jeebies.
00:44:10.310 --> 00:44:15.250
Joanne Donn: Yeah, I'd say deer for sure and bear and then dark, riding in the dark,
00:44:15.459 --> 00:44:18.779
Joanne Donn: especially on curvy mountain roads or anything like that.
00:44:19.232 --> 00:44:23.070
Brian Wringer: Yeah, I've been there in the dark in West Virginia thanks to some poor planning
00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:26.630
Brian Wringer: and people who wouldn't get the hell out of town in time. Anyway,
00:44:26.630 --> 00:44:27.533
Brian Wringer: yeah, it was a whole thing.
00:44:27.986 --> 00:44:31.220
Brian Wringer: I've been on the Blue Ridge Parkway after dark. That's bad.
00:44:31.985 --> 00:44:34.545
Joanne Donn: I can't see as well as I used to either, so I just don't.
00:44:34.987 --> 00:44:38.218
Robin Dean: My daytime writing at the non-witching hour.
00:44:38.636 --> 00:44:44.546
Robin Dean: Even then, I'm still preoccupied with the concern of striking a deer, which I've done twice.
00:44:45.005 --> 00:44:48.220
Robin Dean: Both of them roughly around the witching hour. Once you pass that three o'clock
00:44:48.220 --> 00:44:51.865
Robin Dean: mark in the Midwest, you might still be like, I want to go ride though. You know what I mean?
00:44:52.022 --> 00:44:54.970
Robin Dean: Like you'd be like, okay, it's three, but I could go for a little one hour cruise.
00:44:54.970 --> 00:44:57.625
Robin Dean: And then lo and behold, that's the one where you strike a deer.
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Robin Dean: Well, we've got javelinas down in New Mexico, which is like a giant angry pig rat.
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Robin Dean: That is why I always emphasize the, I won't say the trail breaking part, but the delayed apex.
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Robin Dean: The delayed apex is the big part. My biggest issue is sightline.
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Robin Dean: Can I see through this damn curve?
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Robin Dean: And usually the answer is no.
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Robin Dean: And what time is it? Is it time for deer? And here, the answer is always yes.
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Robin Dean: It's always time for deer in Indiana. So something I always have to worry about.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, you get over to Arkansas and further south, you get armadillos.
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Brian Wringer: How about a living rock on the road.
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Robin Dean: Like hitting an armored basketball
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Brian Wringer: Uh okay now we all got the yips we talked about all the mechanical stuff we're
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Brian Wringer: doing talked about our plans talked about kentucky can't wait to go to kentucky,
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Brian Wringer: talked about riding you know riding on vibes,
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Brian Wringer: we're gonna we're gonna do some vibe riding next week i think we're gonna we're
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Brian Wringer: gonna just leave berea and see what we find out there maybe figure out lunch,
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Brian Wringer: that kind of that's gonna be great yeah,
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Brian Wringer: And I learned a lot about short boots. Like, I was kind of interested.
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Brian Wringer: I was like, is this even a good idea? Is this a bad idea? My leg's going to snap off.
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Brian Wringer: And Joanne has given us, you know, here's how to make that decision.
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Brian Wringer: Robin, what are we going to get into next time? What's happening?
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Brian Wringer: Tell us what you have in mind, if anything.
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Robin Dean: It's a really good interview with the one and only Curtis Minder, author of Cyber Recon.
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Robin Dean: So we sat down with Curtis for a brief revisit to our previous interview before
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Robin Dean: diving into a good many modern vehicle hacking concerns.
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Robin Dean: Curtis Mender, author of Cyber Recon, highly recommend you read the book.
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Robin Dean: I am mentioned in it. Brian pointed it out.
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Brian Wringer: That's right. Hey, I know that guy.
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Robin Dean: Go check it out and have a good read. Hear from the horse's mouth.
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Robin Dean: That's what I want to do next round. You good for that?
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Brian Wringer: Sounds good. Ready to get out of here?
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Robin Dean: Let's get out of here.
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Brian Wringer: All right.