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Robin Dean: Opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter. Announcements.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to step up to the plate again in an effort to build MotorcycleTraining.us. It is started.
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Robin Dean: We remember when I disappeared for a month, so that's begun.
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Robin Dean: This will require some kind of independent funding so I can eat while spearheading the effort.
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Robin Dean: Keep your ears open for what will likely be a pre-episode ad mention on how
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Robin Dean: you might be able to help.
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Brian Wringer: Excellent.
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Robin Dean: Probably with money. Random song of the minute this round. If you want to hear
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Robin Dean: our random songs of the minute, visit radio.tro.bike in your web browser.
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Robin Dean: This time, it's Reckless and Arranged, Day 56, by Ethan French.
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Robin Dean: Go check it out. Find it on YouTube. Reckless with an R. No W in there.
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Robin Dean: Just reckless and arranged to day 56 by Ethan French.
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Brian Wringer: Are there days 1 through 55 as well?
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Robin Dean: I think that's what's been happening. They started to feel something,
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Robin Dean: and it was good enough to release.
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Brian Wringer: Funky. Let's do some news.
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Robin Dean: All right, first up, Waze finally builds routing for motorcycles.
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Brian Wringer: Yay!
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Robin Dean: But the U.S. has to wait.
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Brian Wringer: Boo.
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Robin Dean: Waze now has a real motorcycle mode that accounts for two-wheeler shortcuts
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Robin Dean: and restrictions, then surfaces rider-specific hazards such as potholes,
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Robin Dean: speed bumps, raised crosswalks, shoulder endings, and narrower bridges.
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Robin Dean: The catch is the first rollout is Argentina, Brazil, Colombia,
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Robin Dean: Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines, with more countries promised.
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Robin Dean: Personalized routing and a less chatty voice mode are rolling out globally, which is kind of cool.
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Robin Dean: I don't think this is going to do anything compared to like what Curviger does
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Robin Dean: or what you and I do using Ridewood GPS, but still, it's specific to us. That's kind of nice.
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Brian Wringer: I'll take it. Next up is something that caught our eye. It's a practical Calgary
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Brian Wringer: Banff Jasper route package, not just mountain wallpaper.
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Brian Wringer: And this comes to you from your friends at Rider Magazine. That's ridermagazine.com.
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Brian Wringer: And again, this is a bucket list trip. It lays out 250 miles from Calgary through
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Brian Wringer: Banff and the 140-mile Icefields Parkway to Jasper.
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Brian Wringer: They have downloadable routes timing lodging food and all the trip prep details
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Brian Wringer: and again stuff you need to be ready for like mountain weather changes wildlife
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Brian Wringer: crossings heavy summer traffic near banff and lake louise
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Brian Wringer: where food is scarce along the parkway and the need to carry layers even in
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Brian Wringer: july and august like you would in any mountain that's pretty awesome it's really
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Brian Wringer: cool to see how rider a writer magazine lays this out
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Brian Wringer: someday man they're in this century yeah
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Brian Wringer: If you go to their website, go to Touring, go to Signature Roads,
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Brian Wringer: you'll find it right there.
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Brian Wringer: And you'll also find the one I'm not interested in, Riding America's Straightest Roads.
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Brian Wringer: No, not doing it.
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Robin Dean: Off into the sunset, chasing the horizon, symbolic fields of grain.
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Brian Wringer: Corn, beans.
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Robin Dean: Yawns of symbolic branding.
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Brian Wringer: Beans, corn.
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Robin Dean: Shake it off, shake it off. All right, GV's stealth mounts fold away when the saddlebags come off.
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Robin Dean: These model-specific stealth supports tuck close to the tail when not carrying
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Robin Dean: bags, avoiding the usual empty scaffolding look.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: Matching EZ-12 left and right soft bags hold 18 liters each,
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Robin Dean: use hard attachment points, and include waterproof inner bags,
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Robin Dean: which sounds actually similar to my rebadged saddlebags that I carry on the Jigsader.
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Brian Wringer: True.
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Robin Dean: New solution is to have a dry bag that goes inside the luggage and then just
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Robin Dean: let the luggage take the hit.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, covers never work.
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Robin Dean: U.S. listings show the GV bags at $119.70 each, with supports varying depending on the bike.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: Brian edits the outline to just say $120. They're $120. There you go.
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Robin Dean: How are you? What's going on?
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Brian Wringer: I'm good. Busy as hell. The neighbor's motorcycle had an issue with the charging
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Brian Wringer: system, ran down the battery.
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Brian Wringer: There was a whole rescue mission and so forth. And now we've ordered all the parts and stuff.
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Robin Dean: Was that the Boulevard?
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Brian Wringer: No, it's a Kawasaki Vulcan 900.
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Robin Dean: Wow.
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Brian Wringer: They kind of have the same crappy charging system issues as millions of other bikes.
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Robin Dean: UJM territory right there.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. And it's kind of like, yeah, he's all like, oh my God.
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Brian Wringer: And like this, this happens.
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Brian Wringer: This comes for us all. Don't, you know, it's, it's not a big deal.
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Brian Wringer: Got parts ordered and going to be dealing with that soon. It's kind of fun.
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Brian Wringer: He's all antsy to get it going again, of course. But yeah, it's all straightforward
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Brian Wringer: if you know what you're doing.
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Brian Wringer: Of course, Robin visited the
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Brian Wringer: palatial confines of the fork oil stained flooring of house of my garage
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Robin Dean: That was a blast.
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Brian Wringer: We had a good time you know it was interesting we we got the forks part way
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Brian Wringer: apart then we realized if i'm going to take them all the way apart and change
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Brian Wringer: the fork oil and clean them out then we really need to have new fork seals on hand
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Robin Dean: I haven't ordered them yet i need to do that i will.
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Brian Wringer: It was it was a worthwhile thing to do anyway and we kind of cleaned out the
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Brian Wringer: dust seals and made sure the seals themselves aren't actually leaking
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Brian Wringer: like there's a possibility that you maybe might possibly could get away with
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Brian Wringer: disassembling the forks to a certain point and then very carefully holding there
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Brian Wringer: getting the oil out and all this stuff realistically I think it's better to
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Brian Wringer: just take them apart all the way because you're going to be putting a lot of strain on stuff so true
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Brian Wringer: let's get some fork seals and come back to this later it's fine the fork oil
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Brian Wringer: looked clean that was in there
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Robin Dean: That was the big one.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah Yeah.
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Robin Dean: When you have a friend that you trust with the information, who is taking the
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Robin Dean: reins and spearheading the effort, this happens to me. So if I'm alone and I'm
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Robin Dean: working on a thing, it will go the way it needs to go. It'll get done. It'll get done well.
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Robin Dean: But the instant that somebody is taking any sort of charge of the matter,
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Robin Dean: all of a sudden I am of no use.
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Robin Dean: My knowledge and understanding disappears.
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Robin Dean: I don't know where the person is with the process. I don't know what steps they're at.
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Robin Dean: I become the learner instead of the person who actually you know i don't know what.
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Brian Wringer: To do with my
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Robin Dean: Hands yeah i'm gonna go make yeah i'm gonna go make turkey outlines on the wall,
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Robin Dean: so i do appreciate it once the things were moving i was just like okay i think
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Robin Dean: the hoist was brilliant i don't think the lift was necessary.
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Brian Wringer: Hoist plus lift it did add it did add a complication to things it was a little
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Brian Wringer: weird maybe maybe it wasn't worth it
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Robin Dean: Was it unsafe no was it unstable Absolutely not. It was incredibly stable.
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Robin Dean: Was it necessary? Probably not.
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Brian Wringer: No, was it worth it? Eh, yeah.
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Robin Dean: It was worth it for the tail.
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Brian Wringer: And yeah, just garage time, hang time. And hopefully we'll have a repeat soon on Maggie's bike.
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Robin Dean: This weekend.
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Brian Wringer: We'll do. Excellent. We'll talk about this later. I'm also looking,
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Brian Wringer: I'm also trying, I just want to get one track day. I'm narrowing down the schedule
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Brian Wringer: to figure out track days. I really want to get to Putnam Park.
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Brian Wringer: I'm not sure if they have any novice days left because I've never been there.
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Brian Wringer: It's an organization I have not tried before, Sport Bike Track Time.
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Robin Dean: You can get away with intermediate with them.
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Brian Wringer: Because Novice is sold out, and I'm like, well, I want to start in Novice so
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Brian Wringer: I know what their processes are.
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Robin Dean: If that's what you want to do, I understand. Having been through their track days before.
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Brian Wringer: Okay, so you've been to one. Okay.
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Robin Dean: Several of theirs. You are definitely intermediate material for their setup.
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Robin Dean: You'll just want to watch your back a little bit more because everybody thinks
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Robin Dean: they're ready for intermediate when they're actually first timers to any track day.
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Brian Wringer: All righty.
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Robin Dean: Just something to consider. They only run three groups.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: I want to do that with you.
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Brian Wringer: And it is close by. And that would be not having to drive five hours after a
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Brian Wringer: day on the track would be kind of cool.
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Robin Dean: It'd be nice.
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Brian Wringer: Or sleep on the ground next to a generator. That would be kind of nice.
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Brian Wringer: Busy as hell, making time, making plans, making Missouri plans, making Kentucky plans.
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Brian Wringer: And you and I had a wonderful ride. And we'll get into this later.
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Brian Wringer: Dodging rainstorms, having fun anyway. Not wearing rain gear.
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Brian Wringer: And we'll talk about why. but we'll get to that later what have you been up to robin
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Robin Dean: Enough about me what do you think about me per your advice i ordered those tecton,
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Robin Dean: torque wrenches nice the inch pounds the zero,
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Robin Dean: to 100 and the 40 pound to 200 i think it is it's they're beautiful and you
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Robin Dean: weren't kidding man the one that you showed me at your garage now i own it and i just it's,
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Robin Dean: presentation is just like they engraved my name in it it's beautiful jewelry
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Robin Dean: yeah so one curiosity i have though like i opened it up and it has all these
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Robin Dean: reducers that come with it and i was like well i already have these so i go over to my tool bin my,
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Robin Dean: milwaukee packout drawers and i keep my bits and drivers on the top one the
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Robin Dean: flat one it has all the sockets and such and i open it up,
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Robin Dean: tent that is my garage has been in the sun, but that's shielding. The air's hot in there.
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Robin Dean: You got to understand, folks, the heat index here right now is a balmy 104.
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Robin Dean: That's the heat index. The actual temperature is like 88, but the heat index reads 104.
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Brian Wringer: And you're next to a river. All the humidity.
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Robin Dean: Sure, the air is thick and the air is hot in that tent slash garage that we call it.
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Robin Dean: But then when I open up the perfectly cool lid to my sockets and I go to grab
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Robin Dean: the reducers I have so that I can get rid of some old ones and replace them
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Robin Dean: with these new ones I got for the Tectons, they are,
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Robin Dean: scalding hot, like boiler hot.
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Robin Dean: They were in an air fryer hot. I'm not.
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Robin Dean: Making sense of those physics at what point did the sun actually get direct
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Robin Dean: access to what is in there when it was inside a tent so i yeah whatever the physics,
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Robin Dean: baffles me any rate moving right along i'll make it headway on that same new
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Robin Dean: article i was working on last time not going to mention the topic yet you'll
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Robin Dean: see it when you see it but the point is i'm enjoying writing again and it continues.
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Brian Wringer: I've got a new article and it works too
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Robin Dean: I'm looking forward to it last bit would be I need to update the ad system for
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Robin Dean: the website so I had developed something that would basically search based on
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Robin Dean: keywords for that article,
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Robin Dean: I'm sorry it's just not paying attention to the word motorcycle whoever the
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Robin Dean: services I'm using right now they're like showing,
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Robin Dean: construction helmets as you know like oh yeah helmet was the word right no motorcycle
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Robin Dean: helmet fitment awry showy you know keywords in the mix,
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Robin Dean: they're like here's a construction helmet this one's got a light on And if you're
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Robin Dean: a minor, you know, what's going on here?
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Robin Dean: Those are my updates. Are you ready for some listener questions, sir?
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Brian Wringer: Lay it on me. I have not looked at these.
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Robin Dean: So let's stream of consciousness. Here we go. First off, if you'd like us to
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Robin Dean: field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Robin Dean: Questions from the wild. First.
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Robin Dean: The rear tire is dry-rotted and the 850-pound bike already wobbles.
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Robin Dean: Is a 40-mile ride to the dealer an acceptable risk?
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Brian Wringer: And I'm looking at the picture.
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Robin Dean: Uh-huh. Does it look like it's split?
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Brian Wringer: So what we have going on here is not really dry rot. It's tread separation.
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Robin Dean: It's radial separation, right? Like it's actually going in the motion of the
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Robin Dean: wheel. It's separating lengthwise.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, like big chunks of the tire are coming off at any minute.
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Brian Wringer: My bike has been wobbling left and right on turns when I'm at higher speeds.
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Brian Wringer: I suspect if this person takes a standard-issue human finger and pokes the tire,
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Brian Wringer: they'll find that the tread is starting to separate. I've seen this.
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Brian Wringer: It's actually happened to me.
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Brian Wringer: It actually happened to me on a defective tire once, and I didn't really know
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Brian Wringer: anything until I came to a stop.
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Robin Dean: Basically, when you see your steel belts have become the stringy,
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Robin Dean: already chewed bubble gum that is elasticizing outward, it's becoming an accordion.
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Brian Wringer: I would not ride this bike to the dealer on that tire.
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Robin Dean: You want to read the next one?
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Brian Wringer: Some person. Anyway, they say, should a rider trust an EN17092AA certification
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Brian Wringer: when the pants main material is ripstop rather than Kevlar or leather?
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Robin Dean: Yes. They should trust that.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, really, this known brand, they're a new-ish brand, but they've been around a while, LS2.
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Brian Wringer: The certification is a certification. They're in deep doo-doo if they're lying about certification.
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Brian Wringer: How you get there is not, it doesn't have to be leather, it doesn't have to be Kevlar.
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Brian Wringer: There are many other ways to get there. So if it's certified for the abrasion
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Brian Wringer: resistance you want, then...
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, you can trust that. People get in deep, deep trouble if they're lying about that.
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Robin Dean: And I think that's the idea. You don't get that certification by making a claim
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Robin Dean: about it. You get that certification by putting your product through the process
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Robin Dean: that arrives at that certification.
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Robin Dean: There are services that can test and test and test, and it's a graduated effort.
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Robin Dean: You've made it this far, you've achieved this. You make it that far,
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Robin Dean: now you've achieved that.
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Robin Dean: The point at which theirs maybe started to fail had far surpassed the EN 17092 AA.
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Brian Wringer: And I would also say, again, this is a well-known brand that's been around for
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Brian Wringer: a while and they've been building and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: If you see something from, you know, from Holy Fuchs, you know,
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Brian Wringer: House of Motorcycle Gear on Amazon, you know, anything you see on Amazon,
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Brian Wringer: don't buy gear on Amazon. I'm very sorry.
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Brian Wringer: You see a lot of claims from really sketchy stuff and, oh, I've never heard
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Brian Wringer: of this brand, and they're really cheap, well, they're lying.
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Brian Wringer: They're just located where lawyers can't reach them.
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Brian Wringer: LS2 is a known brand, a fairly known quantity.
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Brian Wringer: So I'd say these would be fine if that's what you, and the certification is
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Brian Wringer: a certification. Doesn't matter how you get there.
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Robin Dean: This one I'm going to hand right back to you because my answer's preloaded.
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Robin Dean: Is an Africa Twin DCT countershaft replacement a rational first engine teardown
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Robin Dean: when the cases have to be split?
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Robin Dean: No, that's not a rational first teardown. That's an operation.
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Robin Dean: I remember when Travis Burleson hit a BMW F650 CS.
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Robin Dean: He started it up. He was like, something's wrong. And this was in his garage.
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Robin Dean: We were lucky. We kind of listened, took it around the block a couple times, listened,
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Robin Dean: Center stand started up, ran it, and we kind of looked at each other and output shaft bearing.
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Robin Dean: He replaced it. It was a massive, you know, winter project that came with many
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Robin Dean: oops, back up, rewind, start again, oops, back up, rewind, start again. You know what I mean?
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Brian Wringer: You know, baby's first engine open? No. This is a pretty major project.
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Brian Wringer: Is it something that a reasonably competent human with opposable thumbs could
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Brian Wringer: eventually get done? Sure.
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Brian Wringer: It's going to be challenging to get all the information from Honda,
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Brian Wringer: that kind of thing. I don't know how that particular engine is built.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of motorcycle engines, you can actually flip them upside down and pull
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Brian Wringer: the bottom of the case off. On this one, I don't know if it's vertically split.
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Brian Wringer: You know, the way what he indicates on the Honda is that everything is going
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Brian Wringer: to come apart. So maybe it's vertically split.
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Brian Wringer: And again, some engines have things that need to be pressed in.
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Brian Wringer: Some engines have, you know, you really have to set in-play tolerances and things like that.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, you can do this in your garage. It has been done. It can be done and
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Brian Wringer: it can be very successful. I've done it, not on this bike, but I've done it many times.
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Brian Wringer: I think the main thing here is what your risk tolerance is. If you're willing
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Brian Wringer: to risk getting to that moment when you're like, screw it, this isn't happening.
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to go on eBay and find an engine.
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Brian Wringer: If you're willing to take that on, best case, I get it together and I've learned a lot.
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Brian Wringer: Worst case, I scrap it, the engines start over, and I've still learned a lot
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Brian Wringer: about myself, about the world, about challenge.
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Brian Wringer: About engines. If you're willing to accept that, then it could make sense.
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Brian Wringer: It could, and it's cheap enough, that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: There's, it's a, it's a big leap into the financial unknown among other,
00:18:18.129 --> 00:18:19.569
Brian Wringer: you know, and many other unknowns.
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Robin Dean: For one, and I'm not trying to drag Travis's name back into,
00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.389
Robin Dean: he gets too much attention from us. We got to stop this, but he did write a
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Robin Dean: great article on TRO.bike.
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Robin Dean: If you click the search icon and look up i bought a junk moped and you should
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Robin Dean: too just type junk moped in there it's a great read about why you should just
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Robin Dean: go find a 200 clunker yeah rip it apart and learn something.
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Brian Wringer: A low-risk project where you can take those shortcuts that would be better
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Brian Wringer: To answer the question, no, it is not rational. I would say you've got a 20%
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Brian Wringer: chance of actually getting a motorcycle that runs afterwards.
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Brian Wringer: And that's if you already have a fair bit of mechanical experience,
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Brian Wringer: like you can do valves and you know how engines work. Yeah, it's a big one.
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Robin Dean: Build yourself a cavalry of a committee on speed dial when you mess it up and
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Robin Dean: then you will have people there. Let them know what you're about to do.
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Robin Dean: In fact, even have like a geotracker that follows you around your garage. Cover me, I'm going in.
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Robin Dean: Which part of your garage you're in?
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Brian Wringer: So we've got no, yes, and no are the answers today. Good.
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Robin Dean: One more time, if you'd like us to field your questions, go to your web browser
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Robin Dean: and type in email.tro.bike as in the web page, and then send us a message.
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Robin Dean: Be the contact form there.
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Brian Wringer: Let us do segment one.
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Robin Dean: We're calling it Rain Roulette. We ride in the rain.
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Robin Dean: Most of the time, it's perfectly safe. Modern tires hold their grip and well-trained
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Robin Dean: riders, equipped with a balanced skill-to-risk offset, adjust to suit.
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Robin Dean: Other times, maybe we should have waited it out or even did.
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Robin Dean: But either way, what fuels our choice to put on rain gear, go without it,
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Robin Dean: or wait for sunnier skies?
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Brian Wringer: And I'll give an example. Got to a gas station. We were headed straight into
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Brian Wringer: the, like, the nastiest, darkest cloud I've ever seen.
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Brian Wringer: We got to the gas station seconds before the skies opened up it started going
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Brian Wringer: so we wait we waited out under the canopy of the gas station
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Brian Wringer: you know hung around talked to the guy with face tattoos you know for about
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Brian Wringer: an hour and a half and then we took off again when it stopped raining and the
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Brian Wringer: roads are still wet and all that stuff still a mess tree limbs everywhere and
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Brian Wringer: About five minutes up the road, it started, it started sprinkling again and
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Brian Wringer: we're all in mesh. It was a 99 degree day and then it went down to 67 degrees.
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Robin Dean: Oh dude, I'll take it.
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Brian Wringer: And we look at each other and I just know, like I was leading the ride and I
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Brian Wringer: just know we're not stopping. We're just going to get wet and nobody's going
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Brian Wringer: to die. It's going to be fine.
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Brian Wringer: And we did. And it was great. And then later on, about a half hour later,
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Brian Wringer: we finally break out. It's sunny. It's hotter than hell again.
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Brian Wringer: And, you know, we're all damp, but it's sort of blowing off.
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Brian Wringer: You know, it's kind of helping.
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Robin Dean: Hey, you want to know what it's like in the Midwest right now?
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Robin Dean: Go take a hot shower. Don't dry off. Just put on your clothes.
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Brian Wringer: Same thing happened last week. We knew we were going to be in for a day of whatever
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Brian Wringer: you call it, scud running or rain dodging or, you know, looking at the sky like
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Brian Wringer: a sea captain and I should be squally.
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Brian Wringer: We left my house. It was dry. At the first stoplight, it started pouring.
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Brian Wringer: It was about half a pour. It wasn't like a deluge yet. It was raining pretty good.
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Robin Dean: It was enough that my navigation phone started triggering.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah, like the raindrops, yeah.
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Robin Dean: All of a sudden, I'm like looking at settings I didn't know I had.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, the phone freaks out. It was just funny. We're like, we're getting wet.
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Brian Wringer: We're at a stoplight, and I look over at Robin, and he looks at me.
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Brian Wringer: I was like, you want to, you know, get dry? He's like, no.
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Brian Wringer: So we... So we continued, and it rained for the next, probably,
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Brian Wringer: it rained for about the next 20 minutes.
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Brian Wringer: And then we finally, it's about 20 minutes, you get off the highway,
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Brian Wringer: and then we're on some back roads. And that's about when it dried out,
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Brian Wringer: and we proceeded to have a rocking good time.
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Brian Wringer: And then we reached that decision point. We both knew, like,
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Brian Wringer: I stopped for a second. I was looking this way, looking that way,
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Brian Wringer: looking at the storm, looking through, you know, doing the calculations.
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Brian Wringer: There were vectors going on. There was math. There was wind speed.
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Brian Wringer: And so we decided to go to Martinsville and
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Brian Wringer: get lunch. Right when we got to Martinsville, rain again. No, we're not stopping.
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Brian Wringer: Get to the Culver's, get some burgers, wait it out. It's still raining.
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Brian Wringer: Point is, experienced riders, you know, we've ridden in the rain,
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Brian Wringer: so forth. We know all this stuff.
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Brian Wringer: We decided just we're wearing mesh, get wet.
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Brian Wringer: It's just not worth the trouble. Rain gear sucks.
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Robin Dean: It wasn't a complicated thought process for me at all.
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Robin Dean: There was a moment in the rain where I did feel the shivers.
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Robin Dean: And that's a thing. You can get hypothermia in warm weather riding. It can happen.
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Brian Wringer: However, know thyself.
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Robin Dean: The general judgment call of how hot is it? Balls hot.
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Robin Dean: And that rain is going to feel good. And when the sun comes back out,
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Robin Dean: it's going to be no less humid, drenched, or dry. And I got dry pretty dang fast.
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Robin Dean: There were a couple of glassy road moments where I did double check the oncoming
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Robin Dean: traffic and I was like, is there anybody in this? No.
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Robin Dean: Okay, cool. I'm going to go ahead and let it run wide because I felt the bike,
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Robin Dean: the confidence wasn't there.
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Robin Dean: I apexed the corner, felt great, but upright bike is a stable bike.
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Robin Dean: Let's let it sort of dance over and cross the line for a second there.
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Robin Dean: Not a good vibe. However, all in all, the rain riding was awesome.
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Robin Dean: It's more about what is your confidence in your tires?
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Robin Dean: What is your skill to risk offset? How have you got it dialed in?
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Robin Dean: The real inspiration for this is what fuels our choice to put on the rain gear,
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Robin Dean: go without, or even wait.
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Robin Dean: And I'll tell you that in that ride, we saw all three instances happen pretty
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Robin Dean: quick, which was we're riding in a sunny day and all of a sudden we were getting dumped on.
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Robin Dean: At that point, we kind of asked, do we want to put on gear now? And the answer is no.
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Robin Dean: Then the rain got a little bit more painful where the drops were like bucket size.
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Robin Dean: You're feeling it dent your armor. And you're like, well, this,
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Robin Dean: I mean, this is fun. And the tires are holding up and the roads are great.
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Robin Dean: And I'm riding with skilled riders.
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Robin Dean: Let's take a break here. And lo and behold, I could see a halo over it.
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Robin Dean: Just Culver's, you know, it's like cheese curds and spicy chicken. It's on.
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Robin Dean: So we sit that and that's where we waited it out. And we talked about some stuff and whatever.
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Robin Dean: But then when we walked back outside, that's when Brian opened his top case.
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Robin Dean: And like, he kind of looked at his rain gear and I wasn't in any kind of a hurry.
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Robin Dean: Is this more like, is Brian going to be inspiring me to do the,
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Robin Dean: I'm not doing it. I was like, I'm not putting this stuff on.
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Robin Dean: And then he looked at me and kind of, do we want to do this? No, not really.
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Robin Dean: I'll tell you what I did instead was I put my phone in my top case and kept
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Robin Dean: it screen off and that kind of thing.
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Robin Dean: Brian, the reason I'm telling this part of it, because all three of these decision-making
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Robin Dean: points happened in that one moment, why we chose to do what we do.
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Robin Dean: I'll let you elaborate on that, but let's think about the worst version of this.
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Robin Dean: I rode to a friend's hospital stay and then rode back,
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Robin Dean: at midnight in a torrential downpour with lightning every three seconds,
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Robin Dean: through floodwaters that I could not see at 65 miles per hour,
00:25:43.382 --> 00:25:46.634
Robin Dean: did not have the ability to turn my head and look at a particular object,
00:25:46.634 --> 00:25:50.197
Robin Dean: couldn't see it if I did, and managed to make it back to where we were staying that night.
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Robin Dean: It was not the smartest choice.
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Robin Dean: Probably the wrong choice. What do you have to say about this?
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Robin Dean: Do I put on the rain gear? Do I not put on the rain gear? Do I just sit it out?
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Brian Wringer: Well, that's the big thing. The hypothermia is the big thing.
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Brian Wringer: If you're going to start shivering, then absolutely you need to put it on.
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Brian Wringer: And even if you're already wet, put it on over it.
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Robin Dean: What temperature would you say you think is the threshold for where anything
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Robin Dean: less than this and it's raining, I got to put on the rain gear?
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Brian Wringer: Somewhere in the lower 70s. A couple of weeks ago it was it was 67 i've got
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Brian Wringer: a thermometer on my bike and it was a mite nippy
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Brian Wringer: it was a light rain and i could see ahead that we were going to come out of
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Brian Wringer: it so i just decided to tolerate it but yeah that was you know if it's in this
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Brian Wringer: if it's anywhere in the 60s unquestionably do not get wet if you can help it
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Robin Dean: And i'll go up i'll say if it's below 80 i'll probably put my reindeer on and
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Robin Dean: i'm talking about i'm wearing like that rubberized plastic no air gets in no air gets out suit,
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Robin Dean: and I'm saying anything below 80 and if it's raining, I'll probably be happier
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Robin Dean: wearing it than otherwise.
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Brian Wringer: Somewhere below anywhere in the 70s it's a good idea you know and if it's in
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Brian Wringer: the 60s do not get wet if you can help but i mean we're not talking about
00:27:05.215 --> 00:27:09.390
Brian Wringer: that kind of risk yeah the whole dance of pulling it on you're already wet and
00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:14.200
Brian Wringer: it's all sticky and yeah you know and then it traps you and then and of course
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.405
Brian Wringer: the second you put it on it open you know the
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Brian Wringer: the sun comes out so yeah on patchy days and and what i think is really funny is so you know
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Brian Wringer: riding with different guys the telepathy like we just yeah let's go
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Robin Dean: There's an array of people from our gs resources posse who will step up to the
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Robin Dean: plate and say don't even ask just go i'll wash my gear when i get home.
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Brian Wringer: I didn't have firsthand knowledge but i trusted that robin wasn't sitting over
00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:47.781
Brian Wringer: there wearing cotton underwear and cotton socks
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Brian Wringer: Part of rain awareness or being ready or just normal, you know,
00:27:52.819 --> 00:27:56.956
Brian Wringer: is you're wearing synthetics, you know, the normal, you're not wearing something dangerous.
00:27:56.956 --> 00:28:01.076
Brian Wringer: Like if a guy is sitting there in blue jeans, then, you know,
00:28:01.076 --> 00:28:03.196
Brian Wringer: you're going to want to make sure you pull over if it's starting to get into
00:28:03.196 --> 00:28:05.248
Brian Wringer: the 60s because that's going to be chilly as hell.
00:28:05.706 --> 00:28:10.699
Brian Wringer: But yeah, it's like I knew we were both wearing mesh gear that would dry quickly.
00:28:11.151 --> 00:28:15.026
Brian Wringer: One of the things I've always said is skilled riders will make remarkably similar
00:28:15.026 --> 00:28:19.076
Brian Wringer: decisions about how they handle corners, where they're going,
00:28:19.076 --> 00:28:20.676
Brian Wringer: where they're placing the bike, things like that.
00:28:21.112 --> 00:28:24.916
Brian Wringer: And it's kind of the same thing with rain and gear. It's like if everybody knows
00:28:24.916 --> 00:28:28.792
Brian Wringer: what they're doing, they're going to be pretty close together in what their decisions are.
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Robin Dean: And all of these decisions will evolve with changes in understanding and technology.
00:28:35.536 --> 00:28:43.072
Robin Dean: But you always know who is aware of where the bar sits for what is the right decision, logically.
00:28:43.467 --> 00:28:48.262
Robin Dean: At this point, this is the right choice to make in this general fashion.
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:54.096
Robin Dean: Things may change in terms of known unknowns that become known you know when
00:28:54.096 --> 00:28:58.066
Robin Dean: you're in the right crew of people they just they just understand this is the
00:28:58.066 --> 00:29:00.156
Robin Dean: technique this is the way that's the attire.
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Brian Wringer: Let's go yeah
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Robin Dean: And in most cases that's the thing it's like i've heard musicians talk about,
00:29:07.180 --> 00:29:12.126
Robin Dean: they've dealt with the complexities of did you learn all of your modes did you
00:29:12.126 --> 00:29:16.076
Robin Dean: learn all of your systems the note arrangements and the which scales work over
00:29:16.076 --> 00:29:20.476
Robin Dean: which chords the math the it's so much and it's vast and you must learn all of it.
00:29:20.476 --> 00:29:24.936
Robin Dean: And if you don't know it, the great musicians, yeah, they've been through that ringer,
00:29:26.177 --> 00:29:31.373
Robin Dean: Now, all they think about is pretty much decide if I want to go up or if I want to go down.
00:29:31.820 --> 00:29:35.692
Robin Dean: Do I want to play a scale upward or do I want to go down? I'm just hearing what's
00:29:35.692 --> 00:29:37.869
Robin Dean: going to happen. And it always works.
00:29:38.327 --> 00:29:44.330
Robin Dean: The same thing happens when you're that adapted to the schematic of your decision-making process.
00:29:44.794 --> 00:29:46.727
Robin Dean: You can play it like a piano.
00:29:47.192 --> 00:29:50.651
Robin Dean: If this, then that. If this, then that. If then, if then.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: Well, Joanne's about to join us here, and that means it's time for The Drownery,
00:29:57.716 --> 00:29:59.690
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00:30:00.003 --> 00:30:03.589
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00:30:03.990 --> 00:30:09.226
Robin Dean: Joanne's focus product this round is going to be on point with what we were just discussing.
00:30:09.603 --> 00:30:13.040
Robin Dean: Rain solutions, be them add-on layers or integrated.
00:30:25.747 --> 00:30:31.479
Joanne Donn: So depending where you live, it's going to tell you how you want to gear up for rain.
00:30:31.694 --> 00:30:37.377
Joanne Donn: You do rain gear or you do a full Gore-Tex suit or another waterproof suit.
00:30:37.830 --> 00:30:43.913
Joanne Donn: And it's purely a preference. And you got to go with what you want to do based on what you've tried.
00:30:44.355 --> 00:30:48.269
Joanne Donn: So when I would talk to customers, I would ask, have you gone through the rain
00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:51.773
Joanne Donn: gear over your gear exercise?
00:30:52.232 --> 00:30:56.574
Joanne Donn: And when the answer is yes, and I'm done, I don't want to do that anymore,
00:30:56.992 --> 00:30:59.732
Joanne Donn: then the conversation shifts to integration.
00:31:00.196 --> 00:31:03.662
Joanne Donn: So I'd say it depends on what you're comfortable with.
00:31:04.121 --> 00:31:07.865
Joanne Donn: Let's talk about living on the East Coast. This is going to be different.
00:31:07.998 --> 00:31:11.052
Joanne Donn: So if you're living in the east or southeast where it's humid,
00:31:11.470 --> 00:31:15.499
Joanne Donn: you will probably have, and I'm going to say probably and more likely,
00:31:15.499 --> 00:31:17.211
Joanne Donn: but I'm not going to say you're going to
00:31:17.623 --> 00:31:20.787
Joanne Donn: because I can't guarantee that, but you'll probably be more comfortable with
00:31:21.181 --> 00:31:23.823
Joanne Donn: mesh and then a raincoat on top
00:31:24.264 --> 00:31:28.389
Joanne Donn: because there's less the layers, there's a little more ventilation happening
00:31:28.389 --> 00:31:32.203
Joanne Donn: between you and the rain gear, especially if you're wearing cheap rain gear.
00:31:32.545 --> 00:31:39.219
Joanne Donn: So that also changes if you're wearing $20 hardware store rain gear versus maybe
00:31:39.219 --> 00:31:41.810
Joanne Donn: a $100 two-piece suit from
00:31:42.429 --> 00:31:47.759
Joanne Donn: Revit or Alpine Stars because they're using lighter materials and more breathable
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:53.037
Joanne Donn: waterproof materials because going 65 miles an hour in the rain,
00:31:53.507 --> 00:31:57.679
Joanne Donn: humidity is different than working in construction in the rain.
00:31:57.679 --> 00:31:59.881
Joanne Donn: I don't know, working outside in the rain.
00:32:00.345 --> 00:32:04.689
Joanne Donn: If you cheap out, don't expect anything, expect nothing. So let's base this
00:32:04.689 --> 00:32:09.089
Joanne Donn: conversation on people like us, where we're willing to invest a little bit,
00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.761
Joanne Donn: you know, and maybe try some quality product to get this right. So-
00:32:14.302 --> 00:32:19.619
Joanne Donn: I would say that certainly, you know, when it's humid, it's more comfortable.
00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:22.719
Joanne Donn: It can be more comfortable that way. And a lot of people go that way.
00:32:23.112 --> 00:32:28.689
Joanne Donn: Now on the West Coast or the Northwest and Denver, I'd say mountains of Colorado,
00:32:28.689 --> 00:32:32.599
Joanne Donn: where the humidity is lower and you might still have humidity,
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.914
Joanne Donn: but it's really low, but it is cold.
00:32:35.373 --> 00:32:40.349
Joanne Donn: So most people go for integration, but a lot of people do put their gear over
00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:46.319
Joanne Donn: because there's also the group of people who run excessively hot and they need
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.559
Joanne Donn: as much ventilation as possible, even in cold weather.
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:56.404
Joanne Donn: And for those people, I do recommend external shell, vented mesh gear underneath.
00:32:56.868 --> 00:33:00.247
Joanne Donn: My questions always start there is what's your internal thermometer?
00:33:00.572 --> 00:33:03.789
Joanne Donn: Because that's going to also drive how much stuff you want to wear and what
00:33:03.789 --> 00:33:05.587
Joanne Donn: you're willing to compromise.
00:33:06.046 --> 00:33:10.509
Joanne Donn: If you're always hot all the time, you're going to want the most ventable,
00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:14.109
Joanne Donn: you know, ventilated option, which is always a mesh product.
00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:17.509
Joanne Donn: Mesh product will always vent more than an integrated product,
00:33:17.509 --> 00:33:20.869
Joanne Donn: even the best integrated products, right? Because mesh is more certain,
00:33:20.869 --> 00:33:22.757
Joanne Donn: there's more mesh, there's more air going in and out.
00:33:23.094 --> 00:33:28.899
Joanne Donn: Most of the time, if I'm West Coast and I run cold, well, I want integration
00:33:29.346 --> 00:33:35.729
Joanne Donn: because I run cold and I'm okay being a little less ventilated.
00:33:35.729 --> 00:33:38.588
Joanne Donn: I don't want max ventilation. I want moderate.
00:33:39.035 --> 00:33:43.969
Joanne Donn: So your low, medium, high ventilation should also be driven by how hot are you
00:33:43.969 --> 00:33:46.390
Joanne Donn: all the time? Are you always hot? Are you always cold?
00:33:46.691 --> 00:33:51.063
Joanne Donn: So someone like me or someone even smaller who's cold in 80 degrees,
00:33:51.527 --> 00:33:55.089
Joanne Donn: No, you're not going to do mesh in a raincoat. You need integrated waterproof
00:33:55.089 --> 00:34:00.118
Joanne Donn: systems so there's less air coming at you because you run so cold.
00:34:00.577 --> 00:34:02.754
Joanne Donn: Or you're in, I don't know, the top of the
00:34:03.253 --> 00:34:08.114
Joanne Donn: Andes Mountains or something, you know, you're up at elevation where it's cold
00:34:08.114 --> 00:34:10.260
Joanne Donn: and wet, you need to insulate.
00:34:10.707 --> 00:34:16.024
Joanne Donn: You're always going to go with a non-mesh product if you run cold.
00:34:16.471 --> 00:34:20.469
Joanne Donn: When it comes to mesh, you just pick whatever is comfortable for you that ventilates well.
00:34:20.928 --> 00:34:27.314
Joanne Donn: There's certainly different performance aspects, like some mesh is abrasion resistant, some is not.
00:34:27.314 --> 00:34:31.614
Joanne Donn: I don't know that has much to do with ventilation. It does depend though on
00:34:31.614 --> 00:34:35.673
Joanne Donn: the manufacturer and stuff. I mean, I would say like the $50 mesh,
00:34:36.137 --> 00:34:40.439
Joanne Donn: you're getting almost too much air because that mesh is probably going to disintegrate
00:34:40.566 --> 00:34:41.414
Joanne Donn: once it hits the pavement.
00:34:41.861 --> 00:34:49.976
Joanne Donn: But mid-range mesh, you pick what's comfortable and what you feel ventilates enough for you.
00:34:50.441 --> 00:34:53.984
Joanne Donn: If you're like six foot tall and with really long arms, well,
00:34:53.984 --> 00:34:56.942
Joanne Donn: you're probably stuck in one brand. So sorry about that.
00:34:57.389 --> 00:35:03.354
Joanne Donn: But if we are talking about integration, there's so many levels.
00:35:03.354 --> 00:35:08.024
Joanne Donn: There's low, medium, high outfits that are integrated.
00:35:08.487 --> 00:35:13.317
Joanne Donn: The higher you go, and I'm going to say at minimum for a two-piece outfit,
00:35:13.689 --> 00:35:19.103
Joanne Donn: you're looking at $800, maybe a 300 bottom and a 400 top.
00:35:19.103 --> 00:35:23.607
Joanne Donn: And that's the bare minimum to get to products that are laminated.
00:35:24.048 --> 00:35:28.133
Joanne Donn: Europeans have different standards for rain. But when you look at a laminated
00:35:28.133 --> 00:35:33.354
Joanne Donn: product, and the word laminated will be in the description of the rain product,
00:35:33.563 --> 00:35:36.459
Joanne Donn: because it's a very specific way of
00:35:36.918 --> 00:35:42.803
Joanne Donn: Bonding the outer fabric to a waterproof layer and then an inner lining.
00:35:42.803 --> 00:35:50.345
Joanne Donn: So you literally only have one layer of material on you versus say a $200 raincoat.
00:35:50.705 --> 00:35:55.803
Joanne Donn: You can literally pull the lining away from the coat inside because the layers
00:35:55.803 --> 00:35:59.952
Joanne Donn: are what you call floating around. They're not bonded together.
00:36:00.387 --> 00:36:05.235
Joanne Donn: And when you have separate layers, it's hotter because all these layers are piling up.
00:36:05.374 --> 00:36:09.153
Joanne Donn: There's air trapped in there. A lot of times there's nowhere to go because they're
00:36:09.153 --> 00:36:14.395
Joanne Donn: not providing any direct ventilation to your body where the air actually goes
00:36:14.534 --> 00:36:16.298
Joanne Donn: all the way through those layers.
00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:21.393
Joanne Donn: So the reason laminated product is expensive and maybe 900 or a thousand is
00:36:21.393 --> 00:36:23.322
Joanne Donn: because they've ironed all the layers together.
00:36:23.740 --> 00:36:30.299
Joanne Donn: So when you look at the jacket, you can't pull the waterproof material away from the fabric.
00:36:30.590 --> 00:36:35.273
Joanne Donn: The layered options are better in winter or colder weather, but breathability
00:36:35.273 --> 00:36:40.093
Joanne Donn: also changes. So the bonus to laminated products and why they're more expensive
00:36:40.093 --> 00:36:45.491
Joanne Donn: is they're lighter, So it lightens the load, which also is more comfortable when it's hot.
00:36:45.955 --> 00:36:50.210
Joanne Donn: A lot of the times the materials they're using are more breathable materials,
00:36:50.675 --> 00:36:54.982
Joanne Donn: more breathable waterproof membranes, more breathable outer fabrics.
00:36:55.435 --> 00:37:00.729
Joanne Donn: If you invest in a laminated product, then what you do is you do get direct
00:37:01.188 --> 00:37:03.115
Joanne Donn: ventilation a lot of the times.
00:37:03.277 --> 00:37:06.406
Joanne Donn: So if you open the vent, there's not a wall of fabric behind it.
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:11.849
Joanne Donn: The downside to the overproduct also is you have to pull over to put it on or
00:37:11.849 --> 00:37:13.401
Joanne Donn: you have to put it on before you go.
00:37:13.848 --> 00:37:19.298
Joanne Donn: And that's what we used to do is put it on before and I'm okay being a little hot, no big deal.
00:37:19.757 --> 00:37:23.419
Joanne Donn: But that is the pain. So the nice thing about having integrated product is you
00:37:23.419 --> 00:37:27.506
Joanne Donn: don't have to change. And hopefully you have enough vents for when it's hot.
00:37:27.953 --> 00:37:33.249
Joanne Donn: You never want to buy a laminated integrated product and wear it as a quote
00:37:33.249 --> 00:37:35.627
Joanne Donn: summer suit. It is not a summer suit.
00:37:36.086 --> 00:37:40.639
Joanne Donn: Mesh is a summer suit. All the laminated products you see, the Climb stuff,
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.915
Joanne Donn: the Revit stuff, none of it is designed to only wear in July to August here.
00:37:45.374 --> 00:37:48.485
Joanne Donn: It's designed to be multifaceted. So if you go from
00:37:48.950 --> 00:37:54.662
Joanne Donn: New York to Florida, over to Colorado, up to Vancouver,
00:37:55.121 --> 00:37:58.023
Joanne Donn: because you're hitting all these different temperatures and
00:37:58.482 --> 00:38:03.636
Joanne Donn: weather environments, that's why you buy a laminated and integrated suit,
00:38:04.083 --> 00:38:10.449
Joanne Donn: or you specifically want a fall winter spring suit so that you wear it until
00:38:10.449 --> 00:38:11.819
Joanne Donn: you can't take it anymore.
00:38:11.819 --> 00:38:14.746
Joanne Donn: Once maybe April or May comes around, depending where you live.
00:38:15.210 --> 00:38:20.199
Joanne Donn: Once the temperatures for you get too hot, then you switch to your mesh products
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.816
Joanne Donn: if you ride in those temperatures.
00:38:22.275 --> 00:38:26.219
Joanne Donn: Some people don't ride in 90. Some people only ride in 75. The bonus to the
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:32.091
Joanne Donn: laminated is there's more versatility for cooler weather. So your percentages should be like 50, 50.
00:38:32.563 --> 00:38:34.577
Joanne Donn: Maybe half the time I'm in the sun, you know, in hot weather,
00:38:34.908 --> 00:38:40.463
Joanne Donn: the other half I'm going to be in cold or when the weather is like 75 with humidity
00:38:40.835 --> 00:38:42.566
Joanne Donn: or maybe 80 with humidity.
00:38:42.566 --> 00:38:47.106
Joanne Donn: But if you're riding in like 90s and you run hot, you're not going to be comfortable.
00:38:47.106 --> 00:38:51.858
Joanne Donn: Don't buy a heavy laminated suit, especially you adventure folks,
00:38:52.288 --> 00:38:57.006
Joanne Donn: because there's so many adventure people who go out and spend $2,000 on a climb
00:38:57.006 --> 00:38:59.416
Joanne Donn: kit that they have no business wearing.
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.556
Joanne Donn: But lemonade product is good if you do want a lighter waterproof suit.
00:39:04.556 --> 00:39:08.019
Joanne Donn: So the downside to the less expensive products are typically they're heavier.
00:39:08.484 --> 00:39:13.632
Joanne Donn: They're going to be the worst option, the worst compromise in warm, wet weather.
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:18.839
Joanne Donn: When you're thinking about rain gear, you have to decide what you're willing to compromise.
00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:23.563
Joanne Donn: Are you willing to compromise weight? Are you willing to compromise warmth?
00:39:24.022 --> 00:39:29.642
Joanne Donn: Do you run hot? What's your bottom line? I can't be cold, or I hate the heat.
00:39:30.094 --> 00:39:33.936
Joanne Donn: I can't stand it. And then that needs to dictate which way you go,
00:39:33.936 --> 00:39:36.509
Joanne Donn: not what your friend says or what your friend likes.
00:39:36.828 --> 00:39:39.528
Joanne Donn: And for some people, there are all-in-one solutions.
00:39:39.991 --> 00:39:45.008
Joanne Donn: I had an older Gore-Tex Revit lady suit, but it was a multi-layer system.
00:39:45.471 --> 00:39:49.966
Joanne Donn: So the rain gear went inside because in Europe, the temperatures are very different
00:39:49.966 --> 00:39:50.894
Joanne Donn: and they don't have humidity.
00:39:51.352 --> 00:39:55.892
Joanne Donn: They have a different riding environment. So it makes sense there. It doesn't here, right?
00:39:56.262 --> 00:40:00.814
Joanne Donn: But I remember riding from Philly in the summer to West Virginia.
00:40:01.279 --> 00:40:06.329
Joanne Donn: And I went from 90 degrees across Pennsylvania into Delaware,
00:40:06.770 --> 00:40:12.753
Joanne Donn: Maryland. And then as soon as I went to Front Royal, it was 60 degrees and raining.
00:40:13.212 --> 00:40:17.906
Joanne Donn: And I wore that Gore-Tex liner all the way through DC.
00:40:18.390 --> 00:40:21.658
Joanne Donn: Like I started when I got off at DC because I knew it was going to rain.
00:40:22.122 --> 00:40:26.726
Joanne Donn: But back then it didn't really exist. So I had a Gore-Tex inner liner jacket,
00:40:27.184 --> 00:40:32.595
Joanne Donn: and then I wore that from DC to Front Royal. And I'm so glad I did because it got so cold so fast.
00:40:33.418 --> 00:40:38.201
Joanne Donn: At that time, being a smaller person and always cold, I was okay with it.
00:40:38.666 --> 00:40:43.652
Joanne Donn: I didn't actually start wearing mesh on a regular basis until maybe five,
00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:50.874
Joanne Donn: 10 years ago, because I was never riding in temperatures and humidity before. I never needed mesh.
00:40:51.332 --> 00:40:56.092
Joanne Donn: I was fine riding in fall-ish spring product because West Coast,
00:40:56.539 --> 00:40:57.561
Joanne Donn: you don't need it as much.
00:40:58.031 --> 00:41:01.011
Joanne Donn: But as soon as I moved East Coast, I'm like, I have to buy a mesh suit now because
00:41:01.011 --> 00:41:06.402
Joanne Donn: this is awesome. So this is where you have to pivot to motorcycle-specific products.
00:41:06.773 --> 00:41:11.799
Joanne Donn: If you want compact, if you want light, if you want easy to wear,
00:41:12.072 --> 00:41:15.178
Joanne Donn: you need to be looking at motorcycle-specific products.
00:41:15.445 --> 00:41:18.851
Joanne Donn: Because motorcycle-specific rain gear, and I'm not talking about stuff that
00:41:18.851 --> 00:41:24.131
Joanne Donn: crosses over like frog togs, people wear that, but it wasn't a motorcycle-specific
00:41:24.131 --> 00:41:27.821
Joanne Donn: product. They were making it for outdoor fishing and stuff. And it works.
00:41:28.274 --> 00:41:33.671
Joanne Donn: So if you want those qualities, you want compact, easy, you need to look at
00:41:33.671 --> 00:41:40.662
Joanne Donn: motorcycle brands and stop cheaping out and trying to wear other outdoor brand products that
00:41:41.312 --> 00:41:45.538
Joanne Donn: Know about motorcycling and the issues we have at speed and rain.
00:41:45.991 --> 00:41:50.336
Joanne Donn: Dainese, Alpine Stars, Revit, and they're all going to make gear for you that's
00:41:50.336 --> 00:41:54.565
Joanne Donn: more fitted and tapered so you're not wearing a giant trash bag on your sport bike.
00:41:55.029 --> 00:41:59.596
Joanne Donn: The same rules apply though, and they fold up like really small into like a
00:41:59.596 --> 00:42:05.432
Joanne Donn: one foot size bag because that's what they're shooting for is compact, lightweight product.
00:42:05.767 --> 00:42:10.576
Joanne Donn: And we have Revit rain jackets. Actually, they're the dirt series.
00:42:10.576 --> 00:42:14.567
Joanne Donn: They're for actually dirt riding and they're even lighter because we don't ride in torrential rain.
00:42:15.032 --> 00:42:18.436
Joanne Donn: It has a giant zipper up the armpit, so it's easier to put on.
00:42:18.436 --> 00:42:19.676
Joanne Donn: And now they have a front zipper.
00:42:19.937 --> 00:42:25.376
Joanne Donn: And some of them even make rain pants with a two-way zipper. Not enough of them do.
00:42:25.835 --> 00:42:31.276
Joanne Donn: At the time I was working for Revit, we were the only brand making a overpant
00:42:31.276 --> 00:42:34.275
Joanne Donn: rain pant with side zippers down each leg.
00:42:34.728 --> 00:42:39.636
Joanne Donn: And that's really rare. I don't know why, but that is the downside because a
00:42:39.636 --> 00:42:42.996
Joanne Donn: lot of the brands aren't making zippers at the bottom. So you have to put the
00:42:42.996 --> 00:42:45.218
Joanne Donn: rain gear on before you put your boots on.
00:42:45.676 --> 00:42:49.844
Joanne Donn: Everybody makes a one piece. Now I discourage one pieces because they're really hard to fit.
00:42:50.315 --> 00:42:54.159
Joanne Donn: They only fit great when you're perfectly proportional. When your upper half
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.509
Joanne Donn: and lower half are equally distributed, that's usually when a one-piece is perfect.
00:42:59.509 --> 00:43:04.664
Joanne Donn: But if you have a short waist and long legs or short legs and a long waist, one-pieces suck.
00:43:04.983 --> 00:43:08.728
Joanne Donn: So do a two-piece because then you can mix and match. And here's the thing about rain.
00:43:09.157 --> 00:43:15.287
Joanne Donn: If you're riding a KLR, well, as long as everything fits over your gear tightly, water's not getting in.
00:43:15.740 --> 00:43:20.029
Joanne Donn: But if you're on your Jigsader and you're wearing a touring raincoat,
00:43:20.029 --> 00:43:22.729
Joanne Donn: that's not fitted to you, yeah, you might get some water up there,
00:43:23.194 --> 00:43:25.527
Joanne Donn: but you don't need to have your raincoat zipped together.
00:43:25.870 --> 00:43:29.266
Joanne Donn: A lot of the raincoats and pants, they overlap. So you'll be dry.
00:43:29.730 --> 00:43:31.059
Joanne Donn: You'll never go wrong with that.
00:43:31.059 --> 00:43:34.815
Joanne Donn: And again, the rain gear for motorcycle brands are just, they're easy.
00:43:35.181 --> 00:43:38.829
Joanne Donn: They're straightforward. You could totally wear them though out and about as
00:43:38.829 --> 00:43:42.772
Joanne Donn: rain gear. I mean, they're great. They'll double for you on and off the motorcycle.
00:43:43.149 --> 00:43:46.599
Joanne Donn: All the brands do this and they all have compact choices because they're all
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.888
Joanne Donn: thinking about and it's the same thing with all of your motorcycle gear.
00:44:03.397 --> 00:44:08.114
Robin Dean: At higher revs can be found via the gear chick website or by emailing joanne
00:44:08.114 --> 00:44:13.424
Robin Dean: directly that email address is help at gear chick.com and that's gear chick
00:44:13.424 --> 00:44:17.385
Robin Dean: with a c okay g-e-a-r-c-h-i-c.com all right,
00:44:17.849 --> 00:44:20.734
Robin Dean: everybody ready to have some fun we're gonna get goofy here brian did you already
00:44:20.734 --> 00:44:21.692
Robin Dean: spin up the letter picker.
00:44:21.837 --> 00:44:23.381
Brian Wringer: Let's get silly
00:44:23.631 --> 00:44:27.927
Robin Dean: We're gonna need a random letter or we're gonna subject joanne to it again and she was very.
00:44:28.391 --> 00:44:31.874
Brian Wringer: Letter picker i'll spin the wheel are we ready
00:44:32.338 --> 00:44:35.044
Robin Dean: You well do we want the music first? Do we need the French music?
00:44:35.044 --> 00:44:35.432
Joanne Donn: What are they doing?
00:44:35.897 --> 00:44:38.817
Robin Dean: It's in your contract, Joanne. French music plays.
00:44:56.864 --> 00:44:59.244
Brian Wringer: I'm going to spin the wheel. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.342
Brian Wringer: You can't stop me. Here it goes.
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Robin Dean: Wait, Brian. Stop.
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Brian Wringer: And the letter of the day is... Oh, boy. The letter of the day is J. Oh, okay.
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Robin Dean: All right. For J, it's Jagoff Junction.
00:45:16.566 --> 00:45:23.317
Robin Dean: Popular roads, often teeming with slow skis. How to clock near zero traffic hours.
00:45:24.600 --> 00:45:29.022
Robin Dean: So you've got a road you love but it happens to be a little bit popular and
00:45:29.022 --> 00:45:33.348
Robin Dean: people that want to get out there and symbolically brand name their t-shirt
00:45:33.603 --> 00:45:36.562
Robin Dean: for the poker run they're gonna conquer that road.
00:45:36.562 --> 00:45:38.171
Brian Wringer: With a hundred of their buddies
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Joanne Donn: Like the dragon
00:45:39.732 --> 00:45:39.988
Brian Wringer: Yeah
00:45:40.278 --> 00:45:45.444
Robin Dean: And they're gonna conquer it 80 people deep to really show them how it's done
00:45:45.682 --> 00:45:51.725
Robin Dean: and they are in the way and they're a bottleneck and they may or may not lack skill.
00:45:52.195 --> 00:45:56.317
Robin Dean: How do we clock this? Now, how do you get around that? I have an answer.
00:45:56.729 --> 00:46:00.172
Robin Dean: Brian probably has an answer. I know Joanne's got an answer. Let's talk about it.
00:46:00.630 --> 00:46:07.875
Robin Dean: For the dragon, I show up on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. Alternate.
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.652
Robin Dean: The dragon. It could be anything. But the point is stop at the beginning. Wait.
00:46:28.215 --> 00:46:33.660
Robin Dean: Clock. How long have I been waiting? Less than say three minutes and somebody
00:46:33.660 --> 00:46:36.385
Robin Dean: shows up. Well, they can go. I'm not going yet.
00:46:36.844 --> 00:46:41.120
Robin Dean: But once we reach the three minute mark of constant silence and zero takeoff
00:46:41.120 --> 00:46:46.790
Robin Dean: traffic and somebody shows up behind me, makes the turn to go down the dragon
00:46:46.790 --> 00:46:49.441
Robin Dean: and show me how it's done. I'm gone. That's it. I'm gone. I'm out.
00:46:49.609 --> 00:46:51.980
Robin Dean: Poof. I'm on it. That is my road.
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:58.520
Robin Dean: I've got three minutes of slack ahead of me, and I'm owning it as much as I can.
00:46:58.984 --> 00:47:02.520
Robin Dean: And hopefully the people ahead of me aren't just that bad that I catch up to
00:47:02.520 --> 00:47:04.464
Robin Dean: them a third of the way through.
00:47:04.929 --> 00:47:07.090
Robin Dean: That's how I deal with it. The same could go for any road. Now,
00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:11.117
Robin Dean: I've got the road that shall not be named. Not a lot of people on there. They wave you by.
00:47:11.569 --> 00:47:15.099
Robin Dean: Devil's Highway, nobody wants to ride Devil's Highway.
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Brian Wringer: It's no fun. Don't go there.
00:47:16.540 --> 00:47:18.501
Robin Dean: It's just 60 miles of no problems.
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Joanne Donn: Where's that?
00:47:19.872 --> 00:47:24.463
Robin Dean: South of Alpine, Arizona, and it's incredibly difficult to ride,
00:47:24.916 --> 00:47:30.274
Robin Dean: hazardous on all fronts, and it's a ball. And it's not something I advocate
00:47:30.274 --> 00:47:34.028
Robin Dean: unless you have taken an advanced rider course and multiple track days.
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.795
Robin Dean: That's my trick. I'm sticking to it. Please, the baton. Who wants it?
00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:44.134
Joanne Donn: Typically, I'd plan my routes around, well, one, just not ride the super popular
00:47:44.134 --> 00:47:46.775
Joanne Donn: roads, like especially around, say, the Blue Ridge.
00:47:47.246 --> 00:47:50.374
Joanne Donn: It's easy to find great roads around that. But also,
00:47:50.834 --> 00:47:55.831
Joanne Donn: you know, peak times, routes that are not as popular and less known,
00:47:56.290 --> 00:48:00.394
Joanne Donn: you know, less known by people who ride casually versus people like who like
00:48:00.394 --> 00:48:02.350
Joanne Donn: to ride hard all the time.
00:48:02.774 --> 00:48:06.948
Joanne Donn: So I would just plan my routes and because I always knew which ones would be busy.
00:48:07.406 --> 00:48:10.814
Joanne Donn: Also, I avoided riding with a lot of people.
00:48:11.272 --> 00:48:15.058
Joanne Donn: I kind of gave up riding with the groups of people unless I knew them.
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Joanne Donn: But in California, I'm in the Bay Area, there's all these crazy roads that are
00:48:19.324 --> 00:48:23.985
Joanne Donn: really popular, but there's so many around it, you can easily avoid it and just not do it at all.
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Robin Dean: We have an excellent article about, is speed okay?
00:48:29.435 --> 00:48:34.464
Robin Dean: If you're listening to this, go to tiara.bike forward slash motorcycle hyphen
00:48:34.464 --> 00:48:36.372
Robin Dean: safety forward slash speed.
00:48:36.836 --> 00:48:40.430
Robin Dean: And you're going to read a great article written by the one and only Brian Ringer here.
00:48:40.893 --> 00:48:45.608
Robin Dean: It really covers the topic in depth regarding responsibility and pace.
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Brian Wringer: In the article, there's a whole section about being nice to slowpokes and how
00:48:50.913 --> 00:48:54.803
Brian Wringer: to, you know, like if you're, you know, pass them all or pass them none.
00:48:54.803 --> 00:48:59.913
Brian Wringer: And make sure, like if you pass, that you can make it stick and that you're
00:48:59.913 --> 00:49:01.518
Brian Wringer: there and then you're gone, that kind of thing.
00:49:01.977 --> 00:49:05.611
Robin Dean: Don't put everyone in a threatening situation all at the same time. Oncoming.
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Brian Wringer: It's still a public road. It wasn't built for you. It was built for farmers. You know, come on.
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Joanne Donn: It's both for everybody.
00:49:11.526 --> 00:49:14.928
Brian Wringer: Yeah, pick and choose. Pick and choose where and when you go.
00:49:15.392 --> 00:49:20.802
Brian Wringer: That's one of the great appeals of dual sport riding is that it's really deserted. There's no one.
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Joanne Donn: That's a good point. There's never any traffic, is there?
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Robin Dean: Jagoff Junction is paved, man.
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Brian Wringer: All right. One of the ways I took this question was some specific roads that
00:49:32.393 --> 00:49:35.863
Brian Wringer: are full of jagoffs and the ones that I avoid. That's one of the things we talked
00:49:35.863 --> 00:49:37.073
Brian Wringer: about is just not be there.
00:49:37.537 --> 00:49:43.813
Brian Wringer: So in Indiana, 135, it's always full of jagoffs. So what you do is you get to
00:49:43.813 --> 00:49:44.962
Brian Wringer: know the roads around it.
00:49:45.414 --> 00:49:48.823
Brian Wringer: You come up behind a whole herd. You can't get around them. You don't feel like
00:49:48.823 --> 00:49:51.788
Brian Wringer: waiting, you know, whatever. Take a left, take a right.
00:49:52.334 --> 00:49:55.707
Brian Wringer: You'll get ahead of him probably. And all the roads with stupid names.
00:49:56.171 --> 00:49:58.486
Brian Wringer: The Rattler, the Hellbender.
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Robin Dean: No, no, no. The Rattler is, not a lot of people ride it. It's a great road.
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Brian Wringer: I will say like in Kentucky, one of the things that really surprised me when
00:50:06.036 --> 00:50:09.736
Brian Wringer: I started, I want to say I discovered, I mean, they've been there a hundred
00:50:09.736 --> 00:50:14.386
Brian Wringer: years, but when I started discovering Northeast Kentucky, people would wave
00:50:14.386 --> 00:50:17.829
Brian Wringer: us by on 22 and on 10 and all the wonderful roads out there.
00:50:18.288 --> 00:50:21.406
Brian Wringer: So nobody should go ride there. Don't, yeah, it's horrible. Don't go ride there.
00:50:21.406 --> 00:50:27.203
Brian Wringer: But, you know, like in California, it's got a couple of really famous roads that are just clogged.
00:50:27.668 --> 00:50:31.786
Brian Wringer: And like the Pacific Coast Highway is a lot like the BRP. It's full of RVs.
00:50:31.786 --> 00:50:33.885
Brian Wringer: It's full of minivans. It's full of sightseers.
00:50:34.343 --> 00:50:37.896
Brian Wringer: An older friend of mine once called it, well, it ain't a whole ass road.
00:50:38.279 --> 00:50:41.739
Brian Wringer: So it's not a whole ass road. It's a look around road, you know, things like that.
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Joanne Donn: Well, the beauty of California, too, there's so many alternatives.
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Robin Dean: Having trouble? Make a right.
00:50:47.944 --> 00:50:51.646
Brian Wringer: Yeah. And the same in North Carolina, Tennessee. you're also liable to end up
00:50:51.646 --> 00:50:53.540
Brian Wringer: on a dirt road but you know hey adventure
00:50:54.005 --> 00:50:58.706
Brian Wringer: but yeah there's so many other roads that you can just stay off of anything
00:50:58.706 --> 00:50:59.856
Brian Wringer: that's famous anything's got
00:50:59.856 --> 00:51:04.136
Brian Wringer: a name even if the road is famous and has a name get there before 10 a.m.
00:51:04.136 --> 00:51:08.826
Brian Wringer: And there's not going to be anybody there yeah the Jagoffs love to sleep in
00:51:08.826 --> 00:51:10.195
Brian Wringer: they love to drink and sleep in
00:51:10.648 --> 00:51:14.786
Robin Dean: Beautifully stated I want to conclude this segment by saying Joanne you should
00:51:14.786 --> 00:51:18.455
Robin Dean: definitely come not ride Kentucky with us in Thank you.
00:51:18.991 --> 00:51:23.552
Robin Dean: Likely September when nobody should go ride those roads and we should all get
00:51:23.552 --> 00:51:27.592
Robin Dean: together and not do so as a group. If we can figure that out.
00:51:28.057 --> 00:51:30.443
Joanne Donn: If we can make sure my bike's running. Yes.
00:51:30.901 --> 00:51:34.342
Robin Dean: We missed you last episode. I didn't know if it was all touch and go,
00:51:34.663 --> 00:51:36.503
Robin Dean: but we talked about the dream garage and the tools.
00:51:36.903 --> 00:51:42.674
Robin Dean: We're going to have to revisit that topic and bring you into podium rant on it and discuss.
00:51:43.144 --> 00:51:47.259
Robin Dean: Let's talk about next episode. The wind down, whoever's hosting next,
00:51:47.556 --> 00:51:53.099
Robin Dean: it's either brian or the wrath of joanne's ideas what are some things we want to talk about next time.
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Joanne Donn: How about the state of motorcycling especially with the you know all the e-bikes
00:51:58.579 --> 00:52:02.974
Joanne Donn: all the electrics right little bikes it's it's kind of changing motorcycling
00:52:03.432 --> 00:52:07.153
Robin Dean: They're skinnier they're smaller they're weirder they can ride in the bike lane.
00:52:07.409 --> 00:52:08.262
Joanne Donn: They're cheap
00:52:08.726 --> 00:52:10.793
Brian Wringer: We did talk about that several episodes ago
00:52:11.246 --> 00:52:14.492
Joanne Donn: Gear for electrics i've been thinking a lot about that is like you know a lot
00:52:14.492 --> 00:52:18.422
Joanne Donn: of people ride around where, of course, nothing, you know, on their e-bicycles
00:52:18.422 --> 00:52:21.809
Joanne Donn: or their e-motorcycles and you're still going 40, 50 miles an hour.
00:52:22.267 --> 00:52:24.520
Robin Dean: I crashed a scooter at five miles an hour and it hurt.
00:52:24.862 --> 00:52:28.062
Joanne Donn: It's not good. So there are options. Like there are some really good motorcycle
00:52:28.062 --> 00:52:30.505
Joanne Donn: options for people who are doing light e-motorcycling.
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Brian Wringer: Interesting.
00:52:31.943 --> 00:52:35.056
Robin Dean: Maybe some room for the communication. This might be a multi-role discussion
00:52:35.056 --> 00:52:39.292
Robin Dean: where I will get into how to relate information to the resistant.
00:52:39.739 --> 00:52:44.180
Robin Dean: You talk about what kit they may benefit from considering.
00:52:44.644 --> 00:52:48.766
Brian Wringer: I had a topic written down, but I do like this one. Let's talk about what's
00:52:48.766 --> 00:52:50.960
Brian Wringer: the mission profile? What's the technology?
00:52:51.419 --> 00:52:56.179
Brian Wringer: What makes sense? Like I've always had a goal of having an electric bike in my garage at some point.
00:52:56.643 --> 00:53:00.146
Brian Wringer: I don't have a commute anymore, but I do a lot of in-town stuff.
00:53:00.146 --> 00:53:04.103
Brian Wringer: I could make a lot of use out of an electric bike if I had bags on it.
00:53:04.561 --> 00:53:07.690
Joanne Donn: I had an electric in the city for a while. It was wonderful.
00:53:08.149 --> 00:53:11.896
Brian Wringer: Whether it's the full motorcycle experience, like a Zero or something like that,
00:53:11.896 --> 00:53:15.576
Brian Wringer: or if it's more of the, what seems to be getting popular are those little ones
00:53:15.576 --> 00:53:18.556
Brian Wringer: you were talking about, where there is, it's kind of like we're going back to
00:53:18.556 --> 00:53:22.926
Brian Wringer: the 1900s again, and we're starting with an evolution of a bicycle and going forward again.
00:53:23.406 --> 00:53:26.149
Robin Dean: Yeah, like what is anything? It's hilarious. What is anything? Yeah.
00:53:26.503 --> 00:53:26.816
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:53:27.275 --> 00:53:32.176
Robin Dean: The experimentation is fun. I like my definitive wording of this is that and
00:53:32.176 --> 00:53:34.305
Robin Dean: that is this just because it makes me feel safe.
00:53:34.758 --> 00:53:38.856
Robin Dean: But that's my weakness. You know what I mean? The fact is you can't change the
00:53:38.856 --> 00:53:42.420
Robin Dean: liquid nature of all that is new or the next.
00:53:42.815 --> 00:53:46.666
Robin Dean: And that's OK. I just have to get used to it and, you know, find my standing
00:53:46.666 --> 00:53:48.394
Robin Dean: points when I realize what any of that is.
00:53:48.852 --> 00:53:53.826
Robin Dean: I want to do a segment that inspired multiple times, which is preferred software,
00:53:53.826 --> 00:54:00.160
Robin Dean: because I've got four specific apps that I specifically prefer for all things
00:54:00.445 --> 00:54:03.411
Robin Dean: commercial motorcycle tour leading.
00:54:03.876 --> 00:54:07.724
Robin Dean: And it has nothing to do with like dated noise. It's legitimately the current tech.
00:54:08.183 --> 00:54:08.659
Brian Wringer: Let's bring it.
00:54:09.181 --> 00:54:13.506
Joanne Donn: Or we could share how we used to do it in the 1900s or in the early 2000s.
00:54:13.506 --> 00:54:16.586
Brian Wringer: I had a grease pencil and I wrote it on my...
00:54:16.706 --> 00:54:18.236
Joanne Donn: I had some really good ways to do it.
00:54:18.846 --> 00:54:22.746
Robin Dean: What is this? That's a map. Yeah. Why isn't it responding to my touch?
00:54:22.862 --> 00:54:23.890
Robin Dean: It's not touch sensitive.
00:54:24.343 --> 00:54:25.167
Joanne Donn: They're still pros.
00:54:26.393 --> 00:54:30.433
Robin Dean: There absolutely are. And they're the ultimate fallback. With that, is everybody happy?
00:54:30.874 --> 00:54:31.781
Joanne Donn: Mm-hmm.
00:54:31.781 --> 00:54:32.175
Brian Wringer: I'm happy.
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Robin Dean: You guys ready to go?
00:54:33.835 --> 00:54:34.543
Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.