Incommunicado

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Brian Wringer: In this episode, incommunicado, the inner workings of a mid-ride, let's say, discussion.
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Brian Wringer: Fight!
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Brian Wringer: That wasn't an argument.
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Brian Wringer: It was a discussion.
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Brian Wringer: Gear chick Joanne Dons got blue teeth.
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Brian Wringer: So is she eating some blueberries?
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Brian Wringer: Is she cold?
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Brian Wringer: What's going on here?
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Brian Wringer: Electric blueberries.
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Brian Wringer: She's connected?
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Brian Wringer: I'm not sure.
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Brian Wringer: We'll figure it out.
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Brian Wringer: And Jordan Liebman carries on about the history of U.S. pavement.
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Brian Wringer: Yes, pavement.
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Brian Wringer: It's a lot more interesting than you might imagine.
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Brian Wringer: Thanks to Jordan.
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Brian Wringer: Thanks to Jordan.
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Brian Wringer: Opening announcements, banter, corrections.
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Brian Wringer: What do you got?
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Robin Dean: Shout out in order of acquaintance to Jack, Mallory, and Adam, who were set up next to Brian and I at a recent track day at Road America.
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Robin Dean: Jack handed me his loading ramp to move Brian's bike off of his trailer.
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Robin Dean: Mallory repeatedly stood on our front wheel chocks.
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Robin Dean: They both kept scooting across the ground.
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Robin Dean: And her boyfriend, Adam, well, let's just say he tolerated our constant need for Mallory's assistance and a Snickers bar.
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Robin Dean: Thank you for all of that.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: My trailer includes its own ramp.
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Brian Wringer: I don't sure why you needed one.
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Brian Wringer: Or did Jack just like, hey, he was right there.
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Robin Dean: You had classroom things to do.
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Robin Dean: And I had been a grump for like three days.
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Robin Dean: I was like, I'm going to help.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to just, you know, actions speak louder than words.
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Brian Wringer: Very kind of you.
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Robin Dean: I didn't know if it was going to bottom out.
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Robin Dean: I don't know your trailer.
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Robin Dean: I don't know the undercarriage.
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Robin Dean: I didn't know if that angle was an issue.
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Robin Dean: I wanted it to be smooth, so I used his ramp.
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Robin Dean: And I have that exact same Harbor Freight ramp.
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Robin Dean: It's exactly not long enough to use with a bed of a pickup.
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Brian Wringer: Well, no, not an F3000, you know, super tow.
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Robin Dean: Voltron Ford.
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Brian Wringer: Voltron 4000.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Not, not something, not those dually diesels you guys had.
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Brian Wringer: No, that didn't work really well.
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Brian Wringer: Not at all.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Track people are the best people and these people were great people.
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Brian Wringer: Wonderful.
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Robin Dean: You got on here about how the Gixxator gets naked.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I noticed a little news item, the GSX-8T and TT.
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Brian Wringer: So basically, Robin's bike, which is the Gixxator, the GSX-8R.
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Robin Dean: I love how you asked me, is it the Gixxator or the Gixxator?
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Robin Dean: Me, it's the Gixxator, Brian.
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Robin Dean: All right.
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Robin Dean: So Robin's Gixxator.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Robin's blue bike.
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Brian Wringer: It's pretty.
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Brian Wringer: So the same platform is now out there in naked form without the fairings.
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Brian Wringer: And what's interesting is they've also got like a styling where it's kind of this retro style vibe.
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Brian Wringer: They've got another version.
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Brian Wringer: It's pretty interesting.
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Brian Wringer: I like it.
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Brian Wringer: I like it a lot.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, I'm not going to go out and buy one, but I like it.
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Robin Dean: There's officially four bikes that represent the GSX-8 platform.
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Robin Dean: So I've got the Gixxator, the GSX-8R.
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Robin Dean: There's also the GSX-8S.
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Robin Dean: Those are both identical bikes, minus the fact that mine is faired.
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Robin Dean: That's all it is, is the front fairing.
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Robin Dean: Same basic setup.
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Robin Dean: Some, they're not clip-on bars, but they're bolt-on.
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Robin Dean: You know, they're not standard tubular bars.
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Robin Dean: And so now they've added two new bikes to the mix, one of which is definitely heavy on the retro.
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Robin Dean: That's the GSX-8TT.
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Robin Dean: And the one that I like, which is a little bit more of a neo-retro modern standard, is the GSX-8T, single T that is.
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Robin Dean: No bikini fairing on the front end.
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Robin Dean: I would not kick that out of bed for eating crackers.
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Brian Wringer: That's a sweet looking bike.
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Brian Wringer: You know, and the same engine is also in the newer V-Strong too.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, like Yamaha, Suzuki, you know, they're making, they take one engine and make a lot of motorcycles with it.
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Brian Wringer: It's a good thing.
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Brian Wringer: Absolutely.
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Brian Wringer: It's a sweet power plant.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Anyway, glad to see it.
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Brian Wringer: And I hope they sell an absolute million of them.
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Brian Wringer: So they're all over the place.
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Brian Wringer: Me too.
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Brian Wringer: Me too.
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Robin Dean: The 8S is funny to me though, because the 8S was their original naked variation.
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Robin Dean: And I thought, in my opinion, that's an ugly bike.
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Robin Dean: I'm not drawn to it.
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Robin Dean: And then I saw one where all they did was they add, you can get aftermarket winglets, like downforce wings.
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Robin Dean: Completely changed the profile of the bike.
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Robin Dean: And then it looked good.
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Robin Dean: It's just a very subtle change.
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Robin Dean: All of a sudden it looks good.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, okay.
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Robin Dean: Not as good as my 8R, but.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: The 8S has like this little spider thing for the, for the headlight.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: The headlight is a bottle opener.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: So, and the T's kind of go for a retro look.
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Brian Wringer: Interesting.
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Brian Wringer: Pick your poison.
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Brian Wringer: They're all good.
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Brian Wringer: They're all fantastic.
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Brian Wringer: Go buy one right today.
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Brian Wringer: Suzuki, come and sponsor us.
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Brian Wringer: Absolutely.
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Brian Wringer: We'll sell a lot of bikes for you.
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Brian Wringer: Speaking of Suzuki's, what's up with that?
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Robin Dean: So we almost bought an SV650, current generation, current frame, the trellis.
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Robin Dean: There haven't been any changes made to it.
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Robin Dean: It was a 2018 that we found and we just got a little bit too excited.
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Robin Dean: I mean, it was going to be a perfect purchase, except for one major component that we definitely wanted for it.
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Robin Dean: This is a bike we're trying to get for Maggie Dean of TRO Authorship fame.
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Robin Dean: She wants a current generation SV650.
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Robin Dean: This one had all the fixings and upgrades.
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Robin Dean: They had already installed a tail tidy.
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Robin Dean: They had clearly loved it.
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Robin Dean: It was in really good shape.
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Robin Dean: It never really hit the ground.
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Robin Dean: The one thing it was missing was ABS.
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Robin Dean: And some people say, well, that's okay.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, it is okay.
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Robin Dean: It really is.
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Robin Dean: But if you can have the current safety features as a choice installation on your machine, why wouldn't you?
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Robin Dean: Mags wants ABS.
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Robin Dean: It didn't have it.
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Robin Dean: And what really blew the roof of the house was the fact we had already moved money around.
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Robin Dean: Large sums of cash were being shifted into different things.
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Robin Dean: And we didn't end up getting the bike because like only after the enthusiasm put us in a position to make the buy, we discovered it didn't have a component that we definitely want.
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Robin Dean: And that kind of momentum, if you've made the decision as to what you want, there's no amount of painstaking preparation for the wrong thing that makes it a legitimate buy.
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Robin Dean: You should get what you want.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, I agree.
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Brian Wringer: ABS is, I mean, the whole reason I got into a modern bike was I think ABS is really, that was the feature that pulled me into the 2010 plus era.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Brian Wringer: And you get all the rest.
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Brian Wringer: You get them, you know, the power, the fuel injection handling.
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Brian Wringer: Yep.
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Brian Wringer: You get all the other good stuff, but ABS is the feature that I wanted.
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Brian Wringer: And so that's, that's why I, I finally updated after a long time.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Wait, so did you ride today?
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Brian Wringer: I did not ride today.
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Brian Wringer: It's a long story, but I had to, I had to move some office furniture around.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, I just.
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Robin Dean: Oh, screw motorcycling.
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Robin Dean: Tell me more.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: What about yesterday?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, just a little bit.
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Brian Wringer: Did get my Yamaha back together.
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Brian Wringer: You know, all the street stuff, I'll back on it after the track day.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Brian Wringer: People like Robin show up and just like, throw a roll of tape at it and let it streamers come off.
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Brian Wringer: They don't care.
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Brian Wringer: I'm still a newbie at this thing.
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Brian Wringer: So I like, I neatly tape up the lights.
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Brian Wringer: I remove the turn signals.
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Brian Wringer: He got a track day wrap.
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Brian Wringer: I got to work on my casualness, I guess.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Let's talk about the track day.
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Brian Wringer: Let's talk about, put some echo on this road.
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Brian Wringer: America.
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Robin Dean: America, America, America.
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Robin Dean: That was a great time.
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Robin Dean: I actually started typing out my experience in outline form and then realized I'm getting boring fast.
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Robin Dean: Just talking about how we got there.
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Robin Dean: But basically I rented a U-Haul, which turned into a fiasco.
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Brian Wringer: The standard.
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Robin Dean: Basically I booked a motorcycle trailer nearby and then they texted, well, we're not going to book this thing for you till it call us and let you know.
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Robin Dean: Cause we don't have it here.
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Robin Dean: Like, well then why is it on the website?
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Robin Dean: Well, okay, fine.
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Robin Dean: Whatever.
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Robin Dean: Went into town, into Madison, Wisconsin for a date night.
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Robin Dean: And it rained hard enough that I was like, screw this.
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Robin Dean: I am not riding the bike back.
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Robin Dean: I dropped it off at a friend's house.
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Robin Dean: We took the truck the rest of the way home.
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Robin Dean: And then I rented a U-Haul in Madison, picked up the U-Haul, went to my buddies, got my bike, went out to lunch and off I was.
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Robin Dean: So thing was we arrived at road America anticipating a lack of access.
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Robin Dean: And Brian was definitely ready to wait as needed.
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Robin Dean: You know, it was like, we're looking through the gates here.
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Robin Dean: Look at the chain link fence.
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Robin Dean: Shout out to Matt and Angel Berry for offering up a guest room plus a couch.
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Brian Wringer: Yes.
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Brian Wringer: Fantastic.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Whiskey and burgers.
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Robin Dean: Then the very next morning, early morn, Brian had classroom stuff and I've been a grump.
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Robin Dean: So I figured the least I could do was pull the bike off the ramp.
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Robin Dean: Thank you, sir.
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Robin Dean: Yep.
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Robin Dean: Canopies went up with a preexisting tear or two.
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Robin Dean: I think I actually made a new one.
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Robin Dean: My favorite moment in the morning beforehand was the ground chocks.
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Robin Dean: They slid as expected.
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Robin Dean: So I told you, here's what we're going to do.
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Robin Dean: I'll stand on yours so you can go.
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Robin Dean: And then when you get back, I'll do the same and we'll trade roles for my session.
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Robin Dean: Brian.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Robin Dean: Brian shows up and I have completely abandoned you.
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Robin Dean: Just gone.
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Robin Dean: Like, I didn't even remember I even said it.
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Robin Dean: So again, shout out to Mallory.
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Robin Dean: When I came back from my first session, I had not seen you.
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Robin Dean: I show up and here's this lovely person standing on my chalk.
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Robin Dean: And she's like, hi, I'm Mallory.
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Robin Dean: I met Brian.
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Robin Dean: He told me you might need some help.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: She saw me struggling to get into the chalk or out of it or something.
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Brian Wringer: And then came running over, stood on it.
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Brian Wringer: I said, thank you very much.
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Brian Wringer: Came back, talked to her.
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Brian Wringer: I was in yellow group.
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Brian Wringer: I was in, you know, the, the diaper baby yellow group.
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Brian Wringer: Robin was an orange.
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Brian Wringer: And so basically rode right after one, right after the other, we did not have the chance.
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Brian Wringer: And all the hustle and bustle didn't take two minutes to consider the problem.
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Brian Wringer: And that we had everything we needed on hand to solve this problem in about five minutes.
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Brian Wringer: But we just went all day like that.
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Brian Wringer: Like idiots without thinking.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, all I, all we need to do is zip tie this to the gate on my trailer and it won't go anywhere.
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Brian Wringer: Either way that, that would work great.
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Brian Wringer: And we didn't even think of it.
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Brian Wringer: And so this, this, this woman just keeps running over.
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Brian Wringer: She's very, very kind.
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Brian Wringer: It was nice.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Track people are the best.
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Brian Wringer: Jack people are great.
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Brian Wringer: So Robin's been to road America before, and you've been there when it's dry.
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Brian Wringer: That was the big theme of the day is, is, is an absolutely gorgeous track.
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Brian Wringer: It's, it's a wonderful facility.
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Brian Wringer: It's amazing.
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Brian Wringer: Mind-blowing all the superlatives.
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Brian Wringer: We had rain and we had a wet track pretty much all day.
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Brian Wringer: We did not have it like a way that we maybe had a few laps where it was 60% dry ish.
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Brian Wringer: That one session and it was balls out.
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Brian Wringer: It was still wet in a few spots, but you could deal.
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Brian Wringer: And then we had actual rain, several sessions.
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Brian Wringer: And then we had, and then I think the afternoon after that huge storm rolled through, there was kind of a rain delay for about an hour and a half, a lightning delay.
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Brian Wringer: After that, the track really stayed wet.
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Brian Wringer: Although it wasn't actively raining.
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Brian Wringer: And again, going back to not having two minutes to think about things.
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Brian Wringer: Just before the last session, I remembered, oh, I've got a pin lock in my, in my van.
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Brian Wringer: So I put the pin lock in my visor and, and suddenly it was a lot easier to see for some odd reason.
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Brian Wringer: So my notes were.
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Brian Wringer: Holy shit.
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Brian Wringer: You know, this is a big track.
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Brian Wringer: Speeds are big, you know, 130 miles an hour plus on the front straight on a naked bike in the wet is kind of a mind-blowing experience.
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Brian Wringer: Hell yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I don't care who you are.
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Brian Wringer: The guys on the leader bikes and the four-cylinder bikes were blowing past me.
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Brian Wringer: And it's also mind-blowing in that there are a couple of other straights or near straights on this where you're over where you're easily over 120, you know, you're way fast in several other spots in the track too.
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Brian Wringer: And then you have to haul it down for a, you know, 110 degree corner, not even a 90 degree, that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: The main impressions afterwards, this is the most mentally exhausting day of riding I've ever had.
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Robin Dean: Oh, road America in the wet.
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Robin Dean: One of the things that happens is turn five for me was doing it every time.
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Brian Wringer: Like, oh, there's a river across it.
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Brian Wringer: There's a surface change.
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Brian Wringer: There's all this.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: It's a snotty run and I'm breaking a hundred miles an hour coming into that.
00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:16.700
Robin Dean: You get used to it.
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Robin Dean: And one of the things that I heard myself saying in my own helmet, one of the two times I began to lose the back end.
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Robin Dean: If you've never done it before, you're thinking.
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Robin Dean: Ah, in my case, I've done this before.
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Robin Dean: Bizarre how comfortable you get with that feeling.
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Robin Dean: I heard myself go, oh, this is going to be expensive.
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Robin Dean: That crusty angst of dang it.
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Robin Dean: There's no fear.
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Robin Dean: It's just, I don't want new plastics.
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Brian Wringer: You gathered it up and made it no incidents.
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Brian Wringer: There were a few incidents, a couple of people, nobody hurt.
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Brian Wringer: It was a very challenging day.
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Brian Wringer: My neighbor is a martial arts instructor and we were talking about it and he's like, oh, I bet you're all tired from being all tense.
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Brian Wringer: I'm like, actually, no, I wasn't.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Physically.
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Brian Wringer: I was not tired.
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Brian Wringer: It was all mentally draining.
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Brian Wringer: You know, I've most for the most part learned how to relax.
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Robin Dean: Well, you wrote a really great article about how to overcome the fear of getting back on the bike, for example.
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Robin Dean: And one of the great quotes in that article is that fear and tension, they are not fuel.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: You can't very easily feed off of fear or tension.
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Robin Dean: And I think that at a track day, you've volunteered to be there.
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Robin Dean: You know what you're getting into.
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Robin Dean: So there's no tension.
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Robin Dean: There's excitement.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It was exciting.
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Brian Wringer: I was able to stay physically relaxed on the bike.
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Brian Wringer: I will say having variable friction between your, the ass of your leathers and your seat is really annoying when you're trying to move around.
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Brian Wringer: But anyway, that's, that's my problem.
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Brian Wringer: That's nobody else's problem.
00:15:58.800 --> 00:15:59.020
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: He's an instructor.
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Brian Wringer: He knows about teaching people new things.
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Brian Wringer: And I was like, well, actually come to think of it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I was physically fine, but it was mentally exhausting.
00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:12.100
Brian Wringer: Like I didn't want to think about, you know, having a really calculated high speed.
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Brian Wringer: Your traction was really interesting getting back.
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Brian Wringer: It's a five hour drive of absolute.
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Brian Wringer: The worst suck ever.
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Brian Wringer: You know, this is a way North of Milwaukee all the way to Indianapolis.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, there is nothing to see here.
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Robin Dean: I can't believe you did it.
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Robin Dean: I couldn't, I got to Burleson's place.
00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:31.300
Robin Dean: I was going through road hypnosis and getting REM.
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Robin Dean: I'm like, I'm going to stay here the night Maggie left me behind, went home.
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Brian Wringer: And well, and you know, once I was past Chicago, it's like, well, it's two hours.
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Brian Wringer: I'm just going to grind it out.
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Brian Wringer: And I did.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: The thing about being in yellow group is you have a classroom session after your first.
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Brian Wringer: After all your sessions, I think up till that first one after lunch.
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Brian Wringer: And so there's always somewhere to be always somewhere to be, you know, you put your bike up, you have time to grab a, grab a water, go to the bathroom, go to the class, you know, listen to whatever wisdom that session, then you have just enough time to get back to your bike, get your earplugs in, get your helmet on first call for yellow coffee.
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Brian Wringer: You know, it's kind of a fast pace.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Maybe that's by design.
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Brian Wringer: So you don't have time to talk.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what it is.
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Robin Dean: No, they're just trying to put a lot into a small amount of time.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Really the logistics, Porsche McLaren, there's a big GT car event that weekend.
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Brian Wringer: And so we were not allowed to get into the track until like nine o'clock at night, but they did a really nice job of, you know, you could do all your check-in paperwork and so forth, get your wristband.
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Brian Wringer: And actually go through tech with your bike on a trailer.
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Brian Wringer: Here's my leathers.
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Brian Wringer: Here's my gloves.
00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:45.280
Brian Wringer: Here's my boots.
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Brian Wringer: Here's my bike.
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Brian Wringer: Wiggle all the stuff, put a sticker on and get that out of the way.
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Brian Wringer: And then we went and then we took off.
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Brian Wringer: I'm really glad we didn't camp.
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Brian Wringer: Yep.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know where people were camping.
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Brian Wringer: I saw a lot of people just camping right there on the pavement in the paddock.
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Brian Wringer: That didn't seem very restful.
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Brian Wringer: I'm thinking no, right?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: We were, we were packing up afterwards and Herrheim made a point to come by and say hello and tell me I was doing great and looking like I was getting faster and faster.
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Brian Wringer: And I'm going to live on that for a very long time.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to level that out a little bit though, and say that if there's any one thing that stood out to me the most about Herrheim's classroom presentation was his will to attempt bending his motorcycle around a human-sized door.
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Robin Dean: The frame doesn't do that.
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Robin Dean: And I do very much enjoy anytime I can get him to say, really?
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Robin Dean: Going to leave me here?
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Robin Dean: Anytime I can get him to say that, I have plenty of laughter fuel for the next hour.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Brian Wringer: The track is the kind of place where you could just cruise around at 20 miles an hour and just look around.
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Brian Wringer: It is gorgeous.
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Brian Wringer: But the view of that, that really sticks in my mind is you're coming around the last turn onto the front straight.
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Brian Wringer: We'll turn 14 onto the front straight and you're looking up a hill at a bridge across the front straight running and gunning.
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Brian Wringer: You can't see.
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Brian Wringer: And your job is to pin the throttle and ride as fast as you goddamn can up this hill.
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Brian Wringer: And yes, you know, it's like being on a roller coaster, except it's real, you know, like this is, yeah, this is real speed.
00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:21.880
Brian Wringer: This is real.
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Brian Wringer: As hard as I can go up the, you know, leaning over the front to keep the front end down and, you know, first, second, third gear.
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Brian Wringer: I'm not in first gear on that corner, but yeah, leaning on the front end to keep the front end down, clicking it into fourth.
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Brian Wringer: When I read line in third and then you pop up and you see the rest of the front straight, you know, under that bridge, it's really, it's crazy.
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Brian Wringer: And then you're like often to miss somewhere is a right angle turn.
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Brian Wringer: It's turn one missed and everything.
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Brian Wringer: And I'm getting beat up.
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Brian Wringer: It's a naked bike.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It's just a, it's just an all body sensory experience.
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Brian Wringer: And it's just a hell of a lot of fun.
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Brian Wringer: The rain added a lot to it.
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Brian Wringer: That's for sure.
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Brian Wringer: It added a lot of mind load to it.
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Robin Dean: That's where all the fatigue came from.
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Robin Dean: That's where there was, you know, the mental.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: That was a lot.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Road America is a lot and that's what it is.
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Brian Wringer: That's everything.
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Brian Wringer: It is a lot.
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Brian Wringer: The carousel, you know, the, I highly recommend it.
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Brian Wringer: It was, it was a big, expensive day, right at the, you know, the limit, just a long day away, but it was a lot of fun.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, man.
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Brian Wringer: I come to you this week with a real question.
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Brian Wringer: I really got from a real person.
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Brian Wringer: MZ asked, Hey, what's a good motorcycle battery and where do I get it?
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Brian Wringer: Pretty simple.
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to give my recommendations and I don't know if Robin will disagree with me.
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Brian Wringer: If we have some violent argument, but I've given this recommendation to Robin and he followed it before with good results.
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Brian Wringer: Two specific recommendations.
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Brian Wringer: If you need a new battery for your motorcycle.
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Brian Wringer: The first is a Deca batteries.
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Brian Wringer: They have these distinctive chunky solid lead terminals.
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Brian Wringer: They look a little different than other batteries and they're sold under many different brand names.
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Brian Wringer: One of the easiest ways to get one of these is to go to O'Reilly Auto Parts and get a Superstart brand battery.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know why they give them their own name.
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Brian Wringer: It's a rebadge.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, the rebadge.
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Brian Wringer: They're also available under the name Big Crank.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Brian Wringer: So they're also available under the name Big Crank and some other names in other places.
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Brian Wringer: But once you see them, they kind of have a light gray.
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Brian Wringer: Most of them have a light gray case and they have these kind of really chunky lead terminals.
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Brian Wringer: They're very good batteries.
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Brian Wringer: U.S. made and that's my usual go-to recommendation and they're easily available at any small town O'Reilly Auto Parts.
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Brian Wringer: Second recommendation, if I want to be real specific, is called MotoBat.
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Brian Wringer: They're bright yellow batteries.
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Brian Wringer: They have like four terminals on them.
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Brian Wringer: So you have extra terminals so they'll fit more applications and they're an AGM battery and they're excellent quality, excellent power.
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Brian Wringer: I've used them several times.
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Brian Wringer: You can get them online on Amazon and whatever.
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Brian Wringer: Just MotoBat is a good one.
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Brian Wringer: A third recommendation, if you just need something cheap and you don't care if it just lasts a year or two, that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: There's a company called Chrome Battery that is a distributor of decent quality Chinese batteries based pretty close to Indianapolis and Westfield.
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.600
Brian Wringer: But if you just Google up Chrome Battery, they got a website, they sell on Amazon and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: But if you need like a decent battery that's inexpensive, Chinese AGM battery, it'll do the job for you for a while.
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Brian Wringer: Bargain prices.
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Brian Wringer: As far as sources, I've had good luck with Impact Battery and Battery Mart as far as websites go for buying all the above.
00:22:54.260 --> 00:22:59.560
Brian Wringer: I'm not going to get into details, but I've had some bad luck with Yuasa batteries, even though they're kind of one that a lot of people recommend.
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Brian Wringer: I've had some issues with them.
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Brian Wringer: But that's me.
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Brian Wringer: That's another rant for another day.
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Brian Wringer: And so the follow-up question on this that I get sometimes and my answer is, I don't know, try it.
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Brian Wringer: Should I spend up for a lithium battery?
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Brian Wringer: And if so, how?
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Brian Wringer: Thanks, Robin.
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Brian Wringer: That was very enthusiastic.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, for lithium batteries, I say if you don't mind spending the cash and you think the lightweight will be helpful, you know, some of them boast better performance.
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Brian Wringer: You know, that's kind of anecdotal to that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: If you don't mind the extra cash and you want to try it out, why not?
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Brian Wringer: You know, I don't think there's the big caveat with lithium batteries is don't buy whatever BS are selling on Amazon, spend the money and get a good known brand of lithium battery.
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Brian Wringer: Some of these brands are kind of like Shorai, NoCo, Antigravity, EarthX, and I think MotoBat.
00:23:52.940 --> 00:23:54.100
Brian Wringer: And there's one like Ionic.
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Brian Wringer: Just spend the money.
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Brian Wringer: It'll be half again or twice as much money as an AGM battery.
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Brian Wringer: I think they're worth trying.
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Brian Wringer: I haven't really bothered with them yet.
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Brian Wringer: I've just slapped in the tried and true AGM batteries.
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Brian Wringer: And I stopped bothering with wet batteries a long time ago.
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Brian Wringer: It's always AGM.
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Robin Dean: Oh, yeah.
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Robin Dean: No more wet batteries.
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Robin Dean: No more distilled water.
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Robin Dean: Thank you.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: No more puke tubes on batteries, you know, where it drips on your acid on your chain.
00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:22.600
Brian Wringer: No, let's not do that.
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Brian Wringer: We don't do that anymore.
00:24:24.940 --> 00:24:27.340
Brian Wringer: And I don't think Robin has an argument here against this.
00:24:27.940 --> 00:24:28.760
Brian Wringer: I do not.
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:30.120
Brian Wringer: Sealed batteries.
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:31.340
Brian Wringer: What's next?
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:33.660
Brian Wringer: Let's get to the meat and the potatoes here.
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.060
Brian Wringer: Well, we'll see if we can have a discussion.
00:24:36.300 --> 00:24:41.980
Brian Wringer: So we're going to call this incommunicado or maybe incommunicado to communicado.
00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:49.900
Brian Wringer: This all originated as a discussion in the middle of a ride on a very hot day in southern Indiana.
00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.460
Brian Wringer: It all got sparked.
00:24:52.020 --> 00:24:55.020
Brian Wringer: Robin was trying to figure out a route for the 7th Tour.
00:24:55.560 --> 00:24:57.040
Brian Wringer: I was leading a ride.
00:24:57.660 --> 00:25:00.380
Brian Wringer: The meat of it was Robin was asking questions.
00:25:00.600 --> 00:25:03.440
Brian Wringer: I'm like, oh, well, you just you do this, that and the other.
00:25:03.540 --> 00:25:09.420
Brian Wringer: So I was giving him pieces of string for him to knit the sweater he wanted to knit that day.
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:10.740
Brian Wringer: And we finally got the one.
00:25:10.840 --> 00:25:13.300
Brian Wringer: I'm like, OK, take this route on a GPS.
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:14.200
Brian Wringer: Do that.
00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:14.760
Brian Wringer: Bye.
00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:17.160
Brian Wringer: He did that and became happy.
00:25:17.940 --> 00:25:18.760
Robin Dean: That was the trick.
00:25:19.020 --> 00:25:24.660
Robin Dean: So basically, at this time, Brian was providing me with ingredients, but no recipe.
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:25.420
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:27.600
Robin Dean: And we'll get into the bulk of it here in a second.
00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:32.020
Robin Dean: I thought about so many different kinds of people communicate in so many different kinds of ways.
00:25:32.580 --> 00:25:42.440
Robin Dean: When you have a complete objective, there are pinpoints to that objective that you have to get through to explain what it is you're trying to do.
00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:52.800
Robin Dean: You know, dot to dot to dot, like on a detective's board, wrap the yarn around it until it surrounds the totality of what you're trying to accomplish in a clear way.
00:25:53.340 --> 00:25:55.460
Robin Dean: But sometimes you're going to be telling people that.
00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.420
Robin Dean: And OK, I heard there was that pin.
00:25:57.500 --> 00:25:58.140
Robin Dean: OK, there was that pin.
00:25:58.180 --> 00:25:58.780
Robin Dean: OK, there was that pin.
00:25:58.780 --> 00:26:08.300
Robin Dean: And they might pick any one of those pins, then zoom in on it and call that the objective when actually it was just a breadcrumb leading to the objective.
00:26:08.520 --> 00:26:12.660
Robin Dean: In my case, that day I walked out to you and you were standing by the bike.
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.860
Robin Dean: And I was like, well, here's what I need to do today.
00:26:15.300 --> 00:26:16.980
Robin Dean: You don't have to be there.
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.400
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.620
Robin Dean: Brian was like, but I'm going to be there.
00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:24.860
Robin Dean: OK, well, then I need you to know that this is sort of what I'm going for here.
00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:35.660
Robin Dean: And then anybody who would normally follow Brian, who was essentially going to be writing in parallel with me, flocked to him.
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:36.740
Robin Dean: And it became a whole different mission.
00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:38.980
Robin Dean: In my case, I had limited time.
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:40.740
Robin Dean: I needed to figure some things out.
00:26:41.060 --> 00:26:42.320
Robin Dean: I had a definite objective.
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:44.920
Robin Dean: And Brian heard all of the pins.
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.360
Robin Dean: It was just like, OK, I don't know, man, whatever.
00:26:47.620 --> 00:26:48.780
Robin Dean: I have people to deal with.
00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:52.060
Robin Dean: But if you're looking for this, here is a bunch of broken glass.
00:26:52.120 --> 00:26:52.980
Robin Dean: It used to be a bottle.
00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:53.780
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:55.560
Robin Dean: Rebuild the bottle.
00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:58.140
Robin Dean: And it was just like in the middle of the ride.
00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:02.080
Robin Dean: Neither the time nor place.
00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:04.900
Robin Dean: It's how the day found us.
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:08.140
Robin Dean: My favorite part, though, is you've got two independent writers.
00:27:08.280 --> 00:27:11.100
Robin Dean: Now, there was a day when I was like, whatever Brian's doing, I'm doing.
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:12.020
Robin Dean: I'm going to follow Brian.
00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:12.940
Robin Dean: Brian, Brian, Brian.
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.820
Robin Dean: You've got two people who are completely independent now.
00:27:16.940 --> 00:27:17.340
Robin Dean: All right.
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:24.620
Robin Dean: And the people who are not seemingly so independent are watching the two independent people say, like, well, I'm going to go do my own thing.
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.660
Robin Dean: They're looking at us like, oh, my God.
00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:27.640
Robin Dean: Oh, yeah.
00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:30.240
Robin Dean: Robin and Brian, they're not agreeing.
00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:32.100
Robin Dean: We weren't disagreeing either.
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:33.620
Robin Dean: We weren't disagreeing.
00:27:34.020 --> 00:27:36.360
Robin Dean: I was like, no, man, I got, dude, I got to go.
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:37.420
Robin Dean: I got to fix this shit.
00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:40.160
Robin Dean: And you were like, cool, but I think I could help you do that.
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.020
Robin Dean: And we sort of did.
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:42.120
Robin Dean: It worked out.
00:27:42.580 --> 00:27:42.900
Brian Wringer: We did.
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:46.360
Brian Wringer: What that led me to, this is big and weird.
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:47.600
Brian Wringer: I don't know if it's going to work even.
00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:53.740
Brian Wringer: But how we perceive the environment that we're in, do you see the world like a Google map?
00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:56.220
Brian Wringer: Or do you see it like point to point?
00:27:56.300 --> 00:27:58.660
Brian Wringer: Like you were talking about point to point and pieces and so forth.
00:27:58.740 --> 00:27:59.760
Brian Wringer: Some people think that way.
00:28:00.100 --> 00:28:01.720
Brian Wringer: Some people think about the whole thing.
00:28:02.280 --> 00:28:05.080
Brian Wringer: If you poke me in the shoulder and say, which direction is north?
00:28:05.360 --> 00:28:08.280
Brian Wringer: I can point pretty much 24 seven anytime.
00:28:08.780 --> 00:28:09.300
Brian Wringer: Yeah, me too.
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.100
Brian Wringer: And some people can't do that.
00:28:11.280 --> 00:28:12.280
Brian Wringer: And there are differences.
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.600
Brian Wringer: I wonder where these differences come from.
00:28:14.600 --> 00:28:21.520
Brian Wringer: For example, you're one of those perverts that has your GPS set up so that your direction of travel is always up.
00:28:22.100 --> 00:28:22.480
Brian Wringer: Yes.
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:23.180
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.980
Brian Wringer: And I'm one of those weirdos that has it.
00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:26.540
Brian Wringer: So north is always up.
00:28:26.780 --> 00:28:32.480
Brian Wringer: So if I'm traveling south for me, for some reason in my weird brain, it's easier.
00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:35.720
Brian Wringer: My map is moving and I'm going down.
00:28:36.020 --> 00:28:38.780
Brian Wringer: So if I need to turn right, it's going to be left on my map.
00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:40.720
Robin Dean: But all of a sudden, Pac-Man's coming out.
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:41.220
Robin Dean: It's all.
00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:42.320
Robin Dean: Yeah, no, I get you.
00:28:42.620 --> 00:28:42.820
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:28:42.820 --> 00:28:46.340
Robin Dean: No, I mean, there's also a compass right there.
00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:46.960
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:28:47.080 --> 00:28:47.980
Brian Wringer: Well, yeah.
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:51.220
Brian Wringer: And that's kind of the thing I was wondering.
00:28:51.560 --> 00:28:57.320
Brian Wringer: Here's a road that, you know, well, and I've been on a few times as New Mexico 159.
00:28:57.620 --> 00:28:58.360
Robin Dean: Oh, man.
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.260
Brian Wringer: What do you think about when you think of that road?
00:29:00.340 --> 00:29:02.220
Brian Wringer: Do you think of the scenes?
00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:03.740
Brian Wringer: Do you think of the end points?
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.060
Brian Wringer: Do you think of the experiences?
00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.720
Brian Wringer: Do you think about the elevations or the feelings?
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.440
Brian Wringer: How do you perceive that?
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.680
Brian Wringer: And how do you connect that with the other pieces?
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.940
Brian Wringer: Like I remember 159, but I don't remember the number of the road it connects to.
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:21.480
Brian Wringer: I remember the town.
00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:25.320
Robin Dean: Well, first off, I'm glad you said 159 because that's not a road there.
00:29:25.320 --> 00:29:25.860
Robin Dean: And that's good.
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:26.980
Robin Dean: Don't correct that.
00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:27.700
Robin Dean: Okay.
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:30.100
Brian Wringer: Are you talking about on the bike or in planning?
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.300
Brian Wringer: On the bike, you're going along, you've got a line on your GPS.
00:29:34.940 --> 00:29:35.340
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:29:35.560 --> 00:29:38.960
Brian Wringer: Or maybe you don't have a line in your GPS and you're just going out for a ride.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.880
Brian Wringer: Or maybe when you're planning a ride, how do you remember?
00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:45.660
Brian Wringer: I'll give you an example of my perception.
00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:46.360
Brian Wringer: That's kind of weird.
00:29:46.360 --> 00:29:52.220
Brian Wringer: When I leave the house and takes people on a ride, obviously, I know Indiana really well.
00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:57.720
Brian Wringer: So I have a whole rat's nest of tracks on my GPS.
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.000
Brian Wringer: I don't even really need the GPS, to be honest.
00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:00.740
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:30:00.840 --> 00:30:04.640
Brian Wringer: As I'm going, it's like a network appears in front of me.
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.640
Brian Wringer: And so I can string together these things.
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:09.400
Brian Wringer: I know what each of those segments takes.
00:30:09.820 --> 00:30:10.840
Brian Wringer: It's like the matrix.
00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:14.580
Brian Wringer: And then there's a network and I can, and all these nodes and things I can put together.
00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:15.860
Brian Wringer: Oh, this connects to this.
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.600
Brian Wringer: This connects to this, you know?
00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:19.660
Brian Wringer: Oh, I feel like this, or I I'm on a whim.
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:20.460
Brian Wringer: I'll go this way.
00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:21.460
Brian Wringer: Oh, this is not paid.
00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:22.340
Brian Wringer: I remember that now.
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:25.760
Brian Wringer: That's just on the bike while I'm, while I'm moving along.
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:26.480
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.300
Brian Wringer: How do you maintain your orientation?
00:30:28.560 --> 00:30:31.500
Brian Wringer: Do you follow a route or do you want to discover things?
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.740
Brian Wringer: Or do you want to, how do you remember a route?
00:30:33.760 --> 00:30:36.380
Brian Wringer: Like if you see something new and you go down a new road and it's awesome.
00:30:36.380 --> 00:30:37.760
Brian Wringer: How do you remember that?
00:30:37.800 --> 00:30:40.160
Brian Wringer: And how do you put that back into your mental map?
00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:41.900
Robin Dean: Oh, I keep it on record.
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:51.540
Robin Dean: So I boot up ride with GPS and I hit go ride, which does not involve like choose a route, start following the route.
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.080
Robin Dean: It's more just hit record.
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:54.460
Robin Dean: So it's keeping track of what I do.
00:30:54.580 --> 00:30:58.700
Robin Dean: And then I can kind of follow some mileage, zoom in, check out what was the curve structure like there?
00:30:58.840 --> 00:31:01.420
Robin Dean: What was the general elevation shift?
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.320
Robin Dean: What was the pavement condition?
00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:06.460
Robin Dean: And those things are easy to remember.
00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:12.880
Robin Dean: Be like, no, if I tell myself in my helmet, you got to remember that when you get home, you got to document this.
00:31:13.080 --> 00:31:14.720
Robin Dean: You got to keep track of this.
00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:16.020
Robin Dean: I don't forget.
00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:20.820
Robin Dean: I get home and I layer it and I add it to whatever is a permanent static bit of awesome.
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.000
Robin Dean: I don't think New Mexico is the best example though, because we have top secret hidden ingredients there.
00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:25.560
Robin Dean: They're limited.
00:31:25.780 --> 00:31:26.160
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:28.620
Robin Dean: They're amazing, but they are limited.
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.880
Robin Dean: You get into Kentucky or Wisconsin.
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:32.380
Robin Dean: That's a different animal.
00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:33.720
Brian Wringer: It's a spider web there.
00:31:33.840 --> 00:31:33.980
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:31:34.100 --> 00:31:35.160
Brian Wringer: There's a lot of options.
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:35.740
Robin Dean: Totally.
00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:39.620
Robin Dean: Yesterday, I just knocked down 350 miles.
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:44.420
Robin Dean: Travis Burleson knocked down over 400 riding what we call the Driftless Double Helix.
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.840
Robin Dean: Now that is part of the Wisco Disco Tour that runs out of Mount Horeb all the way to Bosco Bell.
00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:51.220
Robin Dean: We also extended it to the Iowa border and back.
00:31:51.620 --> 00:31:55.640
Robin Dean: The great thing about the Double Helix is that it spins over itself multiple times.
00:31:55.780 --> 00:31:58.580
Robin Dean: If at any point you're done, you're close to home.
00:31:58.820 --> 00:32:01.920
Robin Dean: You've been meandering and getting nowhere at the same time.
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.100
Robin Dean: That is wonderful because you know that no turn is going to take you too far from where you want to be.
00:32:06.620 --> 00:32:18.020
Robin Dean: So do I like the sense of adventure I get from, let's go see whether or not that hollow really is paved or let's find out if they really did fix the bridge that we've been wondering about on this road.
00:32:18.260 --> 00:32:18.980
Robin Dean: Yeah, I can do that.
00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:20.180
Robin Dean: I can definitely enjoy it.
00:32:20.620 --> 00:32:26.780
Robin Dean: But in terms of my orientation and planning, it's more about looking for markers that come up.
00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:30.600
Robin Dean: They're going to keep everybody comfortable, making sure I know where my stop options are.
00:32:30.600 --> 00:32:34.580
Robin Dean: I do orient it with the direction of travel just because I know there's a compass there.
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:42.900
Robin Dean: If I'm on a long straight and I'm approaching where it's going to get hairy again, I want to see that approaching in comparison to my zoom on the phone itself.
00:32:43.420 --> 00:32:45.840
Robin Dean: I tend to zoom out to where I can see about three miles ahead.
00:32:46.300 --> 00:32:48.140
Robin Dean: I don't really glue my face to it.
00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:57.840
Robin Dean: You got to remember the biggest, most important thing that I have going on is I like having only the road name changes announced to me once a mile before.
00:32:58.100 --> 00:32:58.620
Robin Dean: That's it.
00:32:58.620 --> 00:33:02.860
Robin Dean: In one mile, turn left on Mispronunciation Road.
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:08.040
Robin Dean: It always mispronounces the road or the state, and that's all well and good.
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:17.080
Robin Dean: The only thing I ever look for is at the top of a screen, and that's in five miles, turn left on Peabody Lane or whatever the hell.
00:33:17.420 --> 00:33:20.540
Robin Dean: It's at the top of my screen, so I just look down and I've got five miles to my turn.
00:33:20.780 --> 00:33:21.000
Robin Dean: Cool.
00:33:21.280 --> 00:33:21.900
Robin Dean: But it's got a road name.
00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:22.340
Robin Dean: It's got a whatever.
00:33:22.540 --> 00:33:24.600
Robin Dean: I can get back to not caring about it.
00:33:24.600 --> 00:33:29.420
Robin Dean: I can get back to worrying about the road, but this has nothing to do with our communication.
00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:30.520
Brian Wringer: Yeah, no.
00:33:31.100 --> 00:33:41.300
Brian Wringer: People in general just have different ways of perceiving the landscape and the roads and topography and everything like that, like remembering road numbers, remembering names, things like that.
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:43.060
Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah, you're going to turn north.
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.840
Brian Wringer: You're going to turn north on 58.
00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:47.160
Brian Wringer: And some people, that may not make sense.
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.360
Brian Wringer: And other people would be like, you'll get to the end of this one and you'll turn left on 58, and that will make sense to them.
00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:59.100
Robin Dean: In a flyby communication, you're going to take 58 to Z to double S to SP, then you're going to get on the interstate for one exit.
00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:03.440
Robin Dean: People don't really absorb that in a state of communication.
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.400
Robin Dean: Like we're on a break and it's just getting blasted out there.
00:34:07.420 --> 00:34:12.860
Robin Dean: Whereas when I say, okay, let's write this on paper, let's figure this out.
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.160
Robin Dean: Objectives matter.
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:23.480
Brian Wringer: The other thing too is when you need to improvise, when you need to go off of your plan, when you can't follow the line anymore, there's a bridge, you've got weather ahead of you.
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.320
Brian Wringer: Somebody needs to get back to the bunk and things like that.
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:40.740
Brian Wringer: I mean, these are all things we talked about in articles about leading rides that we've talked about before, how to plan and lead sport touring rides, like watching the weather patterns, things like that, understanding how weather works in mountains and so forth.
00:34:41.240 --> 00:34:47.540
Brian Wringer: And that's the thing is like, I kind of see this web in front of me and I plot out ways to get around and do where I need to go.
00:34:47.540 --> 00:34:52.380
Brian Wringer: Wherever I am, I know the hotels that way or this way, that kind of thing.
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.620
Brian Wringer: And the interstates here and the barriers are here.
00:34:55.080 --> 00:34:56.240
Brian Wringer: Is that all in your head too?
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:57.940
Brian Wringer: Are you using the electronics more?
00:34:58.520 --> 00:35:05.360
Robin Dean: It's not all in my head because we see so many different environments, but typically I know the roads, the north, south, east, west.
00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:07.040
Robin Dean: I know how to read the sun.
00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:08.520
Robin Dean: That's a big deal.
00:35:08.740 --> 00:35:15.740
Robin Dean: The hard part is that that road that goes straight off to the north and you're trying to get north, well, all of a sudden it's destination.
00:35:16.220 --> 00:35:17.300
Robin Dean: It's like Mexico.
00:35:18.040 --> 00:35:22.520
Robin Dean: It just deviates because it is a southbound route that requires you to go north to get there.
00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:26.140
Robin Dean: So there are little hiccups that can create a stutter step in the process.
00:35:26.660 --> 00:35:27.320
Robin Dean: Two situations.
00:35:27.500 --> 00:35:31.860
Robin Dean: One is, can I solve a problem with the navigation on the fly in the moment?
00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:33.280
Robin Dean: The answer is yes.
00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:34.700
Robin Dean: Do I always?
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:37.120
Robin Dean: Sometimes I have a sweep for that.
00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:50.480
Robin Dean: And if I have a sweep rider who has been employed to take on the task of sweep, they CPR certified and they are going to get worked over with, Hey man, uh, we need a gas stop and this road's closed.
00:35:50.700 --> 00:35:52.720
Robin Dean: Go ahead and get me that gas stop now, would you please?
00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:55.440
Robin Dean: Nice.
00:35:55.700 --> 00:35:57.160
Robin Dean: They signed up for that shit.
00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:58.720
Robin Dean: They're going to do the job.
00:35:58.780 --> 00:36:00.140
Robin Dean: So am I capable of it?
00:36:00.560 --> 00:36:00.860
Robin Dean: Yes.
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:06.600
Robin Dean: If I have somebody who's been brought in to do that for me, best believe they're going to be called on to do it.
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.840
Robin Dean: Tim Clark is one of those people, Tim Clark.
00:36:09.060 --> 00:36:10.960
Robin Dean: And I've told this joke way too many times.
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:20.620
Robin Dean: He will just tick the bike till it's perpendicular to the road and then disappear into a ditch up the side of a cliff, up the side of a mountain on two wheels.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.480
Robin Dean: And then he will put his hand over his brow and search the horizon.
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.080
Robin Dean: Robin, I have found our solution and he will lead us to profit.
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.100
Robin Dean: Still, I will maintain that I'm the one who's leading the ride, damn it.
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:35.120
Robin Dean: Know what the hell you're doing.
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.320
Robin Dean: Bring help and make sure they know that they are expected to actually do so.
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:40.179
Brian Wringer: Good point.
00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:47.699
Brian Wringer: And I'll point out you're the one who has actually made a dollar or two leading professional motorcycle tours.
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:48.679
Brian Wringer: Commercial.
00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:49.739
Brian Wringer: I don't know about professional.
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.800
Brian Wringer: You can find out more on TRO to bike.
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:52.719
Brian Wringer: I'll go ahead and point out.
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.940
Brian Wringer: I have done nothing except spend gas money and burn up tires leading rides.
00:36:58.620 --> 00:37:00.200
Brian Wringer: I love following Brian around.
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.380
Robin Dean: I know that it's going to be relaxed.
00:37:02.520 --> 00:37:10.820
Robin Dean: It's going to be fun and it's not going to have the imposed itinerary of what needs to happen when that comes with leading a commercial tour.
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:11.600
Robin Dean: It's always refreshing.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.840
Robin Dean: Unless I'm trying to figure out the commercial tour and Brian is just giving me this bucket of broken glass and say, this used to be a Coke bottle.
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.100
Robin Dean: Have yourself a soda.
00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:22.840
Robin Dean: That was funny to me because I knew we weren't arguing.
00:37:23.020 --> 00:37:28.300
Robin Dean: It was just like, look, man, I need to figure out a way out of this conversation so I can leave you stranded here with these guys because I need to go do a thing.
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.260
Robin Dean: And you're like, yeah, yeah.
00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:31.860
Robin Dean: And everybody else was just like, why are you fighting?
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:33.280
Robin Dean: Like we're not.
00:37:33.580 --> 00:37:34.440
Robin Dean: We're discussing.
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.920
Robin Dean: Do you pay attention to the route or the whole map?
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.580
Robin Dean: I pay attention to the route.
00:37:38.700 --> 00:37:39.260
Robin Dean: What about you, Brian?
00:37:39.600 --> 00:37:41.160
Robin Dean: I have the whole thing in front of me.
00:37:41.640 --> 00:37:44.460
Robin Dean: A network or a line that depends on where we are.
00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:45.180
Robin Dean: Numbers.
00:37:45.580 --> 00:37:46.420
Robin Dean: What do they mean?
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:47.860
Robin Dean: How do they connect to each other?
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:48.880
Robin Dean: I don't know.
00:37:49.340 --> 00:37:50.560
Robin Dean: Do you remember the experience?
00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:53.100
Robin Dean: I remember my center of gravity.
00:37:53.660 --> 00:37:55.760
Robin Dean: I remember how the inertia of the bike felt.
00:37:56.100 --> 00:37:57.460
Robin Dean: That's what I feel when I'm riding.
00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:03.980
Robin Dean: There's a little focus on the color of the leaves beyond the approaching horizon of that looks beautiful out there.
00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:05.160
Robin Dean: Isn't it a beautiful day to go riding?
00:38:05.160 --> 00:38:10.560
Robin Dean: But once I'm in the corner, the float point between the wheels is all I'm about.
00:38:11.080 --> 00:38:11.580
Robin Dean: Which way is north?
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.120
Robin Dean: Natural barriers.
00:38:13.740 --> 00:38:14.680
Robin Dean: Unnatural barriers.
00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:16.940
Robin Dean: The sun, shadows, winds, clouds.
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:18.140
Robin Dean: The sea captain's eye.
00:38:18.260 --> 00:38:21.720
Robin Dean: Well, road America was a lesson for sure.
00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:29.320
Robin Dean: When it comes to the unexpected weather and such or unexpected air pressure changes, anything.
00:38:29.660 --> 00:38:31.240
Robin Dean: When is a shortcut necessary?
00:38:31.240 --> 00:38:34.060
Robin Dean: When somebody is not doing so well.
00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:36.080
Robin Dean: When they're on the ground and they need help.
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.980
Robin Dean: When the time is too late and it becomes deer o'clock.
00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:40.520
Robin Dean: It's definitely time for a shortcut.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.900
Robin Dean: When the ride is beyond 300 miles and we're just exhausted.
00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:44.700
Robin Dean: Time for a shortcut.
00:38:45.340 --> 00:38:46.880
Robin Dean: Sticking to the plan versus improvising.
00:38:47.180 --> 00:38:48.380
Robin Dean: Two very separate ingredients.
00:38:48.600 --> 00:38:53.080
Robin Dean: Fortunately, many of us have communicators for that exact reason.
00:38:53.540 --> 00:38:54.640
Robin Dean: Bluetooth communicators.
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.080
Robin Dean: And it's funny that we should bring that up right now because there's Joanne Da.
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:00.260
Brian Wringer: Nice segue.
00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:07.060
Robin Dean: Who wants to talk to us today about the very same Bluetooth communicators that help us communicate when we're incommunicado?
00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.680
Robin Dean: It's time for The Armory brought to you by gearchick.com.
00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:29.660
Joanne Donn: It seems like all the brands now, all the OEMs with all the current motorcycles that are coming out, they're all doing, you know, digital displays.
00:39:29.660 --> 00:39:30.200
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.300
Joanne Donn: That's my understanding.
00:39:31.620 --> 00:39:37.400
Joanne Donn: Mine is old school digital because my bike just has, you know, tack and speed and trip.
00:39:37.740 --> 00:39:44.480
Joanne Donn: My understanding is, is that a lot of the OEMs are creating their own systems that have integrations.
00:39:45.100 --> 00:39:48.600
Joanne Donn: But I think it's really up to the user how they want to do it.
00:39:49.200 --> 00:39:54.400
Joanne Donn: Learning new technology can be really challenging, especially when it comes to motorcycles.
00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:57.460
Joanne Donn: Those two don't seem to go together very well.
00:39:57.560 --> 00:39:58.700
Joanne Donn: And I'm a fan of third party.
00:39:58.700 --> 00:40:00.680
Joanne Donn: I want the bike to be amazing.
00:40:01.260 --> 00:40:04.940
Joanne Donn: I love my bike for all the amazing things it offers, but I'm not going to rely on it for mapping.
00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:07.680
Joanne Donn: I don't know what the Himalayan offers you.
00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:09.300
Joanne Donn: Does it offer you like turn by turn?
00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:11.480
Joanne Donn: Can you like put in a point to point?
00:40:12.460 --> 00:40:13.620
Brian Wringer: That doesn't come from the bike.
00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:15.680
Brian Wringer: It basically, you can connect to the bike.
00:40:16.060 --> 00:40:19.420
Brian Wringer: So the data and everything comes from your phone.
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.760
Brian Wringer: The bike can actually display what your phone is sending it.
00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:33.840
Brian Wringer: And I think you can also, and a lot of, and I've seen this on other new bikes, CFMoto, where you can connect to the bike with Bluetooth and you can like see how long it's been since the last oil change, things like that.
00:40:34.220 --> 00:40:34.660
Joanne Donn: Interesting.
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:44.820
Joanne Donn: So like maintenance, health about your bike, like more about getting metrics and stats about your motorcycle via the phone, maybe a phone app.
00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:47.120
Joanne Donn: Maybe there's a CFMoto app or a Royal.
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:49.700
Brian Wringer: Yeah, like they have an app and it connects to the bike and so forth.
00:40:50.080 --> 00:40:56.880
Brian Wringer: There was a, I was looking at motorcycle batteries and there's a lithium ion battery that for some reason has Bluetooth.
00:40:57.600 --> 00:41:00.220
Brian Wringer: I don't know why I would want an app for my battery.
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:01.880
Joanne Donn: Look at health.
00:41:02.680 --> 00:41:03.180
Joanne Donn: Interesting.
00:41:04.100 --> 00:41:08.800
Joanne Donn: You maybe connect your phone to your bike just to get those health stats.
00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:15.020
Joanne Donn: But when it comes to navigating and then communication, because those are two totally different things, right?
00:41:15.060 --> 00:41:26.960
Joanne Donn: If you want to communicate, talk to your partner, talk to Robin, then that's where I can see the third part, you know, getting a Cardo or a Sena, which are really your two biggest names.
00:41:27.540 --> 00:41:30.780
Joanne Donn: They kind of dominate the audio market for motorcycles.
00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:32.560
Robin Dean: I'm all about the Sena for sure.
00:41:32.680 --> 00:41:33.080
Joanne Donn: I'm a Cardo.
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:42.240
Joanne Donn: And whether you do a Sena or a Cardo, it is no different than do I want a Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 or CFMoto Ibex 450?
00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:43.480
Joanne Donn: They're both great.
00:41:43.580 --> 00:41:44.120
Robin Dean: Good callback.
00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:45.280
Joanne Donn: It's the same thing.
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.140
Joanne Donn: Or, you know, do I like a Tiger or do I like a GS?
00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:50.360
Joanne Donn: And they're really just they're both great.
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:51.680
Joanne Donn: And they're great for different reasons.
00:41:51.680 --> 00:41:53.340
Joanne Donn: And you pick what works for you.
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:55.520
Joanne Donn: And there's not a right or wrong here.
00:41:56.140 --> 00:42:07.680
Joanne Donn: And a lot of the times you're going to pick your Bluetooth com based on what your group is doing, because it's so much easier just to slide right in with whatever your group, if you're doing group things.
00:42:08.200 --> 00:42:14.660
Joanne Donn: If you're not going to do group things and pick what you like, you know, watch some videos on YouTube and see what people say.
00:42:14.660 --> 00:42:22.080
Joanne Donn: But I like Cardo and I switched because of the waterproof, that IP67 certification.
00:42:22.540 --> 00:42:24.520
Joanne Donn: It is a submersible product.
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:33.580
Joanne Donn: And that's how I lost the battery on one of my old Senas, because I had to ride in the pouring rain across West Virginia for eight hours.
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.800
Joanne Donn: And I just prayed that it would last long enough.
00:42:38.100 --> 00:42:40.380
Joanne Donn: Like I had no choice but to ride in the rain.
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:47.140
Joanne Donn: And that unit had an external battery that that stuck onto the base of the neck of the helmet.
00:42:47.700 --> 00:42:49.000
Robin Dean: So that was the Sena R?
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.580
Joanne Donn: Yeah, the Sena R and the battery died.
00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:55.780
Joanne Donn: The unit did not because the unit is actually sealed.
00:42:56.100 --> 00:42:59.120
Joanne Donn: So the battery died and it actually took a couple hours.
00:42:59.720 --> 00:43:03.380
Joanne Donn: But, you know, not that I'm riding in the pouring rain, let's be honest.
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.500
Robin Dean: I think what's interesting is the why.
00:43:06.020 --> 00:43:07.680
Robin Dean: Why somebody prefers a Cardo.
00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:08.360
Robin Dean: You're into it.
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.360
Joanne Donn: I'm into it because I have a Pectoc Edge.
00:43:11.980 --> 00:43:17.540
Joanne Donn: And before this, we had Freecom 4s and the Freecom was more low profile.
00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:23.840
Joanne Donn: And what I wanted, what we wanted were low profile units like the Sena R.
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.100
Joanne Donn: But I didn't want to get another one because that's a 10 year old product.
00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:30.000
Joanne Donn: That's Bluetooth 3.
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:37.440
Joanne Donn: So friends, when you're Bluetooth headset shopping, you really want to match the Bluetooth of your amazing phone.
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:46.740
Joanne Donn: We all have amazing phones, Galaxies and Pixels and iPhones, and they all are running Bluetooth 4 and 5 and even 6.
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:54.740
Joanne Donn: So with Bluetooth products, a lot of people struggle because they're pairing old Bluetooth to new tech.
00:43:55.240 --> 00:44:05.100
Joanne Donn: The other day I noticed my Bluetooth keyboard keeps disconnecting every 20 minutes because it's a first gen wireless Bluetooth keyboard.
00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:06.580
Joanne Donn: I'm a Mac girl.
00:44:06.580 --> 00:44:09.480
Joanne Donn: My MacBook is like the latest generation.
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:10.880
Joanne Donn: It's dated.
00:44:11.240 --> 00:44:12.960
Joanne Donn: So I had to buy a new keyboard.
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:18.220
Joanne Donn: The Bluetooth connections are only going to be maintained if you at least maintain some compatibility.
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:26.100
Joanne Donn: But I love Cardo because the Freecoms are low profile and I didn't want a giant unit on my helmet.
00:44:26.540 --> 00:44:27.460
Robin Dean: Rotary phone.
00:44:28.040 --> 00:44:30.940
Joanne Donn: Yeah, it's just the wind you can hear.
00:44:31.060 --> 00:44:32.120
Joanne Donn: I don't have a fairing.
00:44:32.240 --> 00:44:33.420
Joanne Donn: I have no windscreen.
00:44:33.660 --> 00:44:35.040
Joanne Donn: And so everything's loud.
00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:38.660
Joanne Donn: So that's why we switched to the Freecom and it was great.
00:44:39.040 --> 00:44:45.300
Joanne Donn: But then that unit started to, like some of the features started to die and the Bluetooth connection wasn't stable anymore.
00:44:45.600 --> 00:44:48.060
Joanne Donn: And then when the Pactalks came out, wow.
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:50.080
Joanne Donn: And Brian, do you use Sina too?
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.780
Brian Wringer: No, I don't have a communicator of any sort.
00:44:53.060 --> 00:44:53.540
Joanne Donn: You don't have any.
00:44:54.100 --> 00:44:55.780
Brian Wringer: I'm going to have to one of these days.
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:56.900
Brian Wringer: It's not a nightmare.
00:44:57.260 --> 00:44:59.040
Brian Wringer: Okay, why does it seem like a nightmare?
00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:00.920
Brian Wringer: I don't want to talk to anybody.
00:45:01.660 --> 00:45:04.060
Brian Wringer: I mean, there are times it would be handy, but yeah.
00:45:04.060 --> 00:45:04.500
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:45:04.640 --> 00:45:07.340
Joanne Donn: It's the beauty of the communicators today.
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.020
Joanne Donn: And listen, my first communicator was a CB radio.
00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:14.320
Brian Wringer: Breaker one nine.
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:25.200
Joanne Donn: We bought Motorola radios and then we found a company that made speakers that had aux ports that we could plug into the walkie talkie.
00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:25.500
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:45:25.660 --> 00:45:34.180
Joanne Donn: And it had a button remote on the clutch and you had to scream at 50 miles an hour for is this with earplugs?
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.040
Brian Wringer: A tin can and a string handle.
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.900
Joanne Donn: You had to scream at each other just to say, I didn't guess.
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:43.020
Joanne Donn: Like there's no talking and we weren't doing music.
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.780
Joanne Donn: Crazy how far comms have gone.
00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:47.220
Joanne Donn: But Brian, no, you don't trust anybody.
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.300
Joanne Donn: Like the only person I talk to is my husband.
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:50.040
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:45:50.120 --> 00:46:01.080
Brian Wringer: So if I end up getting a communicator, I will need to be one that's compatible with whatever Robin has, because that's probably the person I ride with the most who has a communicator.
00:46:01.080 --> 00:46:03.400
Brian Wringer: Robin is on team Sena, I believe.
00:46:04.180 --> 00:46:05.140
Brian Wringer: I'm on team Sena.
00:46:05.540 --> 00:46:05.680
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:46:05.720 --> 00:46:07.500
Brian Wringer: They're not cross compatible, which is annoying.
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:08.800
Joanne Donn: They are.
00:46:09.180 --> 00:46:10.040
Brian Wringer: They are.
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.440
Joanne Donn: Hang on a second.
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:12.780
Joanne Donn: They are.
00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:20.520
Joanne Donn: They're just not compatible the way that to say two Senas, they don't connect the same.
00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:20.800
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:26.960
Joanne Donn: They're not going to pair the same, exactly the same, but you can pair opposite units together.
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:32.860
Joanne Donn: Both of these brands have recognized the fact that both of them are in the market and they need to be compatible.
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.840
Joanne Donn: So they've created the ways to do them.
00:46:36.020 --> 00:46:43.800
Joanne Donn: They're just not the same button sequences and pairing methods as if you have two of the same brand.
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.780
Joanne Donn: So you can cross connect.
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:56.980
Joanne Donn: However, my understanding, and I haven't read up on the latest and greatest, but for the most part, the advanced features like mesh networking, which is what you'll do on a tour.
00:46:57.260 --> 00:47:04.280
Joanne Donn: If you have 10 people and you're trying to talk to everybody, those are the kind of features you can't cross pollinate.
00:47:04.580 --> 00:47:09.540
Joanne Donn: But just to talk like me and Brian, we just need to talk to each other.
00:47:10.020 --> 00:47:13.380
Joanne Donn: Yes, you can connect, but it's a lot of work.
00:47:14.240 --> 00:47:15.700
Joanne Donn: Yeah, but you might as well.
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:16.060
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:47:16.080 --> 00:47:22.340
Joanne Donn: If you're riding a lot with Robin and you're riding a lot with other people who have a certain brand, yeah, go with that brand.
00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:23.340
Joanne Donn: They're both great.
00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:31.800
Joanne Donn: What I like about Cardo is that they actually end of life their products and they go, okay, we're done with this freecom.
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.200
Joanne Donn: Now we're going to upgrade it to the freecom X.
00:47:35.740 --> 00:47:36.940
Joanne Donn: Sina doesn't do that.
00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:44.900
Joanne Donn: It is still selling products from 2010 that should not be on the market anymore.
00:47:45.060 --> 00:47:47.160
Joanne Donn: And we don't, I don't know, understand it.
00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:55.260
Joanne Donn: The challenge is if you don't talk to someone who's really up to date on the products, you might end up buying an old product with Bluetooth three.
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.620
Joanne Donn: So you just have to be up on what the latest units are and just buy that.
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:01.780
Joanne Donn: Which one do you have, Robin?
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.360
Joanne Donn: Do you have like a 20S or a 50K?
00:48:04.600 --> 00:48:06.460
Robin Dean: I have an SMH 10.
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:07.560
Robin Dean: Oh, my God.
00:48:07.740 --> 00:48:09.100
Robin Dean: I don't know how you do group.
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:10.660
Robin Dean: It's doing fine.
00:48:11.220 --> 00:48:15.700
Joanne Donn: It will until you want to bring in, say, six people.
00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:17.840
Robin Dean: I do not want to bring in six people.
00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:20.220
Robin Dean: I will never want to bring in six people.
00:48:21.100 --> 00:48:28.780
Joanne Donn: The reason you would want to upgrade is if even you have three of you, let's say the three of us go riding together.
00:48:29.120 --> 00:48:32.040
Joanne Donn: I am not going to ride 10 feet behind you.
00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:34.760
Joanne Donn: In fact, I will probably ride so far behind you.
00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:37.260
Joanne Donn: You can't see me because I need space.
00:48:37.620 --> 00:48:51.700
Joanne Donn: Now, where a better unit will serve us is if we're all kind of half a mile apart, the better units will give you more range to stay connected to each other and advanced features where let's say we're doing twisties.
00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:53.420
Joanne Donn: We're like on the dragon.
00:48:53.420 --> 00:49:07.040
Joanne Donn: And when you're in twisties, then line of sight connections can cut off because the signals usually need open, flat areas, not tight twisty.
00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:16.240
Joanne Donn: But just to be connected from like one person to person number two, a better unit gives us more distance from each other.
00:49:16.700 --> 00:49:23.180
Joanne Donn: But if there's three or more people where, okay, we got four, maybe it's me, Evan, you and Brian.
00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:31.380
Joanne Donn: What the mesh does is bring everybody together regardless of distance using data.
00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:34.040
Joanne Donn: So you can be a mile away.
00:49:34.040 --> 00:49:37.880
Joanne Donn: It relies on closeness and proximity.
00:49:38.700 --> 00:49:39.520
Joanne Donn: No shit.
00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:46.680
Joanne Donn: These units are way more advanced and I'm surprised you're not at least up at a 20s.
00:49:47.220 --> 00:49:48.300
Robin Dean: That's the thing of it.
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.540
Robin Dean: Now let's have this conversation.
00:49:50.020 --> 00:49:50.620
Joanne Donn: I'm happy.
00:49:51.120 --> 00:49:52.660
Joanne Donn: And that's exactly it.
00:49:53.100 --> 00:49:56.900
Joanne Donn: If the features you have work for you, of course, you don't need to upgrade.
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:58.200
Joanne Donn: Not at all.
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:08.140
Joanne Donn: When you start having problems like connectivity, gosh, I can't keep a connection with Brian for more than 10 seconds at a time and it keeps dropping even in open terrain.
00:50:08.600 --> 00:50:13.960
Joanne Donn: Then you got connection problems because your unit is literally 15 years old.
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.140
Joanne Donn: That unit came out a long time ago.
00:50:17.720 --> 00:50:20.060
Joanne Donn: That's when you might be triggered to upgrade.
00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:23.800
Joanne Donn: But absolutely with, you know, headsets, you just use what works for you.
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.220
Joanne Donn: You don't have to buy the super fancy headsets.
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.220
Brian Wringer: Senna's product lineup is extremely confusing too.
00:50:29.720 --> 00:50:31.860
Joanne Donn: Because they don't end of life anything.
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:32.540
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:50:33.020 --> 00:50:34.720
Joanne Donn: Your secret is this.
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:36.100
Joanne Donn: The higher number.
00:50:36.640 --> 00:50:36.940
Joanne Donn: Seriously.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.520
Joanne Donn: It's 30 and up.
00:50:38.620 --> 00:50:40.580
Joanne Donn: You ignore anything below 30.
00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:41.780
Joanne Donn: That's the secret.
00:50:42.100 --> 00:50:48.520
Brian Wringer: They got the 50, the 60 and then the SRL and then the 30 and then the Spyder and then the Evo.
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:50.100
Brian Wringer: It's all over the place.
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:50.620
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:50:50.720 --> 00:50:56.100
Joanne Donn: Because they have integrations with other OEMs. Spyder is probably for the Spyder.
00:50:56.100 --> 00:51:01.880
Joanne Donn: For motorcycling, again, anything below a 30 are old units.
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:02.860
Joanne Donn: Something at their website.
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.720
Joanne Donn: 3, 5 and 10.
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:06.440
Joanne Donn: I mean the 10 series.
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:07.680
Robin Dean: I love it.
00:51:08.060 --> 00:51:15.560
Joanne Donn: My first dealership job was in 2006 and that fancy 10S came out in like 2012.
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.340
Joanne Donn: Unless they're updating the hardware, I doubt it.
00:51:22.740 --> 00:51:25.500
Joanne Donn: Oh, look, they did upgrade it to Bluetooth 5.
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:26.520
Joanne Donn: So look at that.
00:51:26.740 --> 00:51:30.660
Joanne Donn: So they actually are at least updating some of the tech.
00:51:31.040 --> 00:51:31.600
Joanne Donn: Good.
00:51:31.820 --> 00:51:37.740
Joanne Donn: Let me look at their 3 series, which is like their tiny, super low profile unit.
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.340
Joanne Donn: But that's for a passenger driver.
00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:42.000
Joanne Donn: You're on a Goldwing.
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.220
Joanne Donn: You're right next to each other.
00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:46.060
Joanne Donn: That's who that's for.
00:51:46.160 --> 00:51:49.860
Joanne Donn: That is not Robin and Brian riding, you know, far apart.
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:54.240
Joanne Donn: So for what you do, you want to do a higher unit.
00:51:54.380 --> 00:51:54.480
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:55.140
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.700
Robin Dean: The 3 actually has no electronics in it.
00:51:57.060 --> 00:52:00.980
Robin Dean: The trick is it makes you look like you have a comma, but you yell at each other from the passenger seat.
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:02.000
Robin Dean: Yeah, you just yell.
00:52:03.040 --> 00:52:04.740
Joanne Donn: It's their basic unit.
00:52:05.060 --> 00:52:06.360
Joanne Donn: So super simple.
00:52:06.620 --> 00:52:07.480
Joanne Donn: There's no buttons.
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:08.040
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:52:08.560 --> 00:52:14.240
Joanne Donn: Even honestly, if you get a 10S, you'll at least be in a Bluetooth 5 product.
00:52:14.560 --> 00:52:16.380
Joanne Donn: There's a dial, which is nice.
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:18.000
Joanne Donn: There's not tiny little buttons.
00:52:18.620 --> 00:52:20.120
Robin Dean: That's my favorite part.
00:52:20.120 --> 00:52:27.200
Joanne Donn: That is the ingenious proprietary feature that Sina invented is that jog wheel, right?
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.080
Joanne Donn: And the fact that you can tap it as a giant button or spin the wheel.
00:52:32.200 --> 00:52:35.320
Joanne Donn: And I think the 10 has always been the easiest unit.
00:52:35.740 --> 00:52:37.940
Joanne Donn: The original 10 was a giant.
00:52:38.060 --> 00:52:41.920
Joanne Donn: Instead of that flat wheel, it was like a ball.
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:43.780
Joanne Donn: And you would accidentally hit it.
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:44.460
Joanne Donn: Oh, God.
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:45.320
Robin Dean: I got it right here.
00:52:46.020 --> 00:52:48.400
Robin Dean: I hit it when I would turn my head this way, be like, boop.
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.420
Robin Dean: And it'd be like, I'm not available.
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:51.820
Joanne Donn: It'll be even better.
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.180
Joanne Donn: But I really wanted the smaller units because of our helmets.
00:52:55.180 --> 00:52:58.900
Joanne Donn: And like, I can hear the noise coming over the headset.
00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:00.780
Joanne Donn: So that was for me.
00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:05.480
Joanne Donn: But Brian, whenever, you know, whenever you think you want to invest in something, I'll help you pick out something really simple.
00:53:05.620 --> 00:53:07.060
Joanne Donn: And they're very easy to install.
00:53:07.140 --> 00:53:10.640
Joanne Donn: And a lot of the dealers who sell them, they'll install them for you.
00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:12.880
Joanne Donn: Like if you go to CycleGear, they'll do it for you.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:20.540
Joanne Donn: But my recommendation usually with doing that is if you install something and try to return it, that's very difficult.
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.960
Joanne Donn: You don't want to just go buy one on a whim.
00:53:24.180 --> 00:53:27.480
Joanne Donn: You know, it's just take a little time to research, decide what you want.
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:31.840
Joanne Donn: If someone else has one, if you can kind of listen to it, you know what I mean?
00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:34.080
Joanne Donn: Because it can be challenging with tech.
00:53:34.640 --> 00:53:37.880
Joanne Donn: These days, Cardo and Sino have done such a great job.
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.160
Joanne Donn: You really can't go wrong with any of their new units.
00:53:40.720 --> 00:53:41.920
Joanne Donn: I love the Pactalk though.
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:42.780
Joanne Donn: Man, that thing.
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:44.240
Joanne Donn: Quality is insane.
00:53:44.780 --> 00:53:46.120
Joanne Donn: The voice commands are great.
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:47.700
Joanne Donn: Lasts forever.
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.280
Joanne Donn: Battery's like two days long.
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:54.040
Robin Dean: Well, for the record, I don't want to talk to either of you while I'm riding anyhow.
00:53:54.540 --> 00:53:54.980
Robin Dean: That's OK.
00:53:55.900 --> 00:53:57.040
Robin Dean: I don't want to talk to you either.
00:53:57.500 --> 00:54:01.120
Robin Dean: And the emergency discussions are, are we turning right here?
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:01.460
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:54:01.580 --> 00:54:01.980
Robin Dean: OK, cool.
00:54:02.600 --> 00:54:04.240
Robin Dean: You know, I'll talk to Travis a little bit.
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:06.180
Robin Dean: But actually, the truth is, I would talk to both of you.
00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:10.680
Joanne Donn: Here's the other problem, though, that Bluetooth 2 is audio quality, right?
00:54:10.680 --> 00:54:13.860
Joanne Donn: Because people are expecting quality that you cannot get.
00:54:14.100 --> 00:54:14.960
Joanne Donn: It's a helmet.
00:54:15.160 --> 00:54:16.340
Joanne Donn: You're on a motorcycle here.
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:22.020
Joanne Donn: But given that, both Cardo and Sino have done a really great job to put really good speakers in.
00:54:22.340 --> 00:54:28.760
Joanne Donn: But it's also really important that you use earplugs to maximize the quality of a Bluetooth headset, period.
00:54:29.040 --> 00:54:34.500
Joanne Donn: And I will die on a hill with that because you need to kill the wind noise.
00:54:34.580 --> 00:54:36.820
Joanne Donn: And people think that they won't hear anything.
00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:37.840
Joanne Donn: But it's the opposite.
00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:38.900
Robin Dean: Yeah, no.
00:54:39.390 --> 00:54:45.680
Joanne Donn: The quality is not as good as your amazing at home earbud system.
00:54:45.940 --> 00:54:51.120
Joanne Donn: But you can also plug in earbuds with an aux jack into these units, into the higher units.
00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:51.280
Robin Dean: That's what I do.
00:54:51.720 --> 00:54:52.760
Robin Dean: That's a big deal.
00:54:52.860 --> 00:54:53.120
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:54:53.560 --> 00:54:57.140
Robin Dean: We've mentioned this several times on the show that, you know, we want to protect everybody's hearing.
00:54:57.660 --> 00:55:02.000
Robin Dean: You've basically arrived at a long standing discussion about it.
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.340
Robin Dean: I do exactly what you said.
00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:05.120
Robin Dean: I've got a 3.5 millimeter jack.
00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:05.660
Robin Dean: Yep.
00:55:05.660 --> 00:55:11.020
Robin Dean: I've got construction level, audio active earbuds, and it does the job.
00:55:11.580 --> 00:55:18.000
Joanne Donn: And the really cool thing is it probably is on your headset is the connector from the speaker to the unit is an aux.
00:55:18.080 --> 00:55:19.280
Joanne Donn: It is a speaker jack.
00:55:19.720 --> 00:55:22.660
Joanne Donn: So that's why you don't have to use the speakers that come with the headset.
00:55:22.940 --> 00:55:29.140
Joanne Donn: And if you have high end, like super fancy earbuds, well, you could plug those in and you'll have really good quality.
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:30.740
Joanne Donn: You'll just have a few more cords.
00:55:30.740 --> 00:55:35.240
Joanne Donn: So the benefit to the Bluetooth is no more cords.
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:36.680
Joanne Donn: Everything's all enclosed.
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.920
Joanne Donn: You put the helmet on, everything's ready to go.
00:55:39.580 --> 00:55:40.920
Joanne Donn: Everything's installed right there.
00:55:41.020 --> 00:55:42.580
Joanne Donn: So you don't have to do anything else.
00:55:42.720 --> 00:55:43.740
Joanne Donn: So that's it is convenient.
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.980
Joanne Donn: Remember, I went from walkie talkie to Bluetooth.
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.600
Brian Wringer: Similar banter at higher revs can be found via the GearChick website.
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.460
Brian Wringer: Visit GearChick.com and dig in.
00:56:07.020 --> 00:56:11.600
Brian Wringer: Segment three moments in motorcycle history with none other than Jordan Liebman.
00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:14.960
Brian Wringer: North America was once covered in mud.
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.980
Brian Wringer: So the wildlife made sense of where the water was.
00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:19.720
Brian Wringer: Then the wagon wheels left a rut.
00:56:20.060 --> 00:56:22.900
Brian Wringer: Then there were railroads and dynamite and cars.
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:26.480
Brian Wringer: So we needed a smooth surface to express our speed on.
00:56:27.020 --> 00:56:28.660
Brian Wringer: Jordan's going to tell us all about it.
00:56:28.660 --> 00:56:29.480
Brian Wringer: Have at it, Jordan.
00:56:48.940 --> 00:56:57.360
Jordan Liebman: By the 1860s, the railroads became the dominant means of transport and the national road traffic slowed down and sections fell into disrepair.
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:05.180
Jordan Liebman: But by the 1880s, a revival of the national road was spearheaded by, ready, bicyclists.
00:57:05.780 --> 00:57:14.980
Jordan Liebman: I shit you not, bicycling was a new craze and it swept the nation, the world, in fact, as a new leisure travel.
00:57:14.980 --> 00:57:17.540
Jordan Liebman: Locals began to maintain the roads.
00:57:18.120 --> 00:57:19.960
Jordan Liebman: You look at it in terms of business.
00:57:20.500 --> 00:57:22.680
Jordan Liebman: This was a road that was designed for business.
00:57:23.100 --> 00:57:28.000
Jordan Liebman: It was for trade so you can get goods from one place to the other.
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.340
Jordan Liebman: All of a sudden, we have this thing called the railroad.
00:57:31.420 --> 00:57:38.800
Jordan Liebman: They're able to do it faster and cheaper and more reliably on an actual schedule eventually.
00:57:40.540 --> 00:57:45.460
Jordan Liebman: Businesses are obviously going to not use the national road and a wagon of some sort.
00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:46.780
Jordan Liebman: They're going to use the railroad.
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:52.140
Jordan Liebman: So there was a period there where it fell into less popularity, I should say.
00:57:52.580 --> 00:57:59.040
Jordan Liebman: And if it wasn't for bicycles, until the invention of cars, it would have fallen by the wayside.
00:57:59.120 --> 00:58:02.160
Jordan Liebman: It would have gotten weeded over and that'd be it.
00:58:02.520 --> 00:58:08.800
Jordan Liebman: I have here, these are the dates of incorporation as states in the United States.
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:10.560
Jordan Liebman: Illinois, 1818.
00:58:11.100 --> 00:58:12.820
Jordan Liebman: Indiana, 1816.
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.000
Jordan Liebman: Ohio, 1803.
00:58:15.580 --> 00:58:18.000
Jordan Liebman: Some of these, I'm going to squint at a little funny.
00:58:18.520 --> 00:58:20.120
Jordan Liebman: Pennsylvania, 1787.
00:58:20.620 --> 00:58:22.040
Jordan Liebman: New York, 1788.
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.660
Jordan Liebman: And Maryland, 1781.
00:58:24.200 --> 00:58:32.580
Jordan Liebman: These are all post-1776, but they already existed as states, but they were incorporated into the nation on these dates.
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:53.140
Jordan Liebman: You can see that the road is going through places that are established and I want to also add, and this may or may not make the podcast, but when George Wyman crossed America in 1908, the main road across America was through Vandalia, Illinois, which is on the south end of Illinois, just east of St. Louis.
00:58:53.440 --> 00:59:05.160
Jordan Liebman: And I think that the reason that he went through Chicago is because there were bicycle and motorcycle shops there that he thought were going to be able to make him a crankshaft and they refused.
00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:07.300
Jordan Liebman: And then you can see what happened to the magazines.
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.220
Jordan Liebman: They blacklisted Chicago.
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:10.580
Jordan Liebman: They blacklisted Illinois.
00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:19.560
Jordan Liebman: So that's what I'm thinking, a little after the fact, but if he had gone south instead of north, he would have had a good road all the way to the east coast.
00:59:20.020 --> 00:59:21.540
Jordan Liebman: Well, I've got to do a lot of thinking on the side.
00:59:22.020 --> 00:59:23.640
Jordan Liebman: I printed some maps for myself here.
00:59:24.140 --> 00:59:33.800
Jordan Liebman: The National Road eventually becomes what we know as Route 40 across the United States, effectively to Illinois and beyond.
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:37.140
Jordan Liebman: It starts in the Baltimore Pike.
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.420
Jordan Liebman: There were additional roads that were not federally funded.
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.620
Jordan Liebman: Like I said, there already existed roads in Maryland.
00:59:45.060 --> 00:59:47.760
Jordan Liebman: The reason they started in Cumberland because there wasn't anything there.
00:59:48.220 --> 00:59:55.020
Jordan Liebman: There were additional roads that were started in Maryland that existed before this that ran to the east coast.
00:59:55.220 --> 00:59:59.100
Jordan Liebman: So this was called the Baltimore Pike, which ran from Baltimore to Cumberland, Maryland.
00:59:59.540 --> 01:00:02.680
Jordan Liebman: Basically, we have the entire access all the way to the Atlantic.
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:14.680
Jordan Liebman: Primarily commerce in the form of farming and livestock in wagons and later trucks drove the development of the National Road until the advent of non-rail internal combustion transportation in the late 1800s.
01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:17.460
Jordan Liebman: It would be cars and motorcycles for you and me.
01:00:17.980 --> 01:00:28.420
Jordan Liebman: The invention of trucks made it possible to expand trade to areas not easily reached by trains, boats, or beasts of burden, and access to tributaries sprung up all over.
01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:44.620
Jordan Liebman: Just like Dayton and Eaton, Ohio wanted access to this National Road, local towns that wanted the commerce, they wanted the trade of the National Road, started building their own roads to the National Road all along the path.
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.140
Jordan Liebman: It's almost like watching the roots of a tree grow, or roots of any kind of plant grow, but it's in reverse.
01:00:51.460 --> 01:00:53.980
Jordan Liebman: The tributaries are going towards the road.
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.960
Jordan Liebman: Eventually, these become the routes that we know now that are on the maps.
01:00:58.420 --> 01:00:59.840
Jordan Liebman: But they weren't all federally funded.
01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:05.420
Jordan Liebman: They all started wherever there was a need, basically to gain access to the main road.
01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:10.220
Jordan Liebman: Now, eventually, much of the road was converted to concrete, and eventually asphalt.
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:16.100
Jordan Liebman: By the 1920s, so now we have cars, and not everybody has cars, but we have cars in the 1920s.
01:01:16.540 --> 01:01:20.720
Jordan Liebman: We've already done it well into the 1800s, 1890s, etc.
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:23.180
Jordan Liebman: Bicycles in the 1880s.
01:01:23.420 --> 01:01:25.820
Jordan Liebman: By the 1920s, we have concrete and asphalt.
01:01:25.820 --> 01:01:32.200
Jordan Liebman: Well, concrete goes back to Portland cement, which was invented, I believe, in the UK.
01:01:32.680 --> 01:01:40.320
Jordan Liebman: They call it Portland cement, and it has to do with its durability, and its density, and uniformity, or whatever.
01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:42.700
Jordan Liebman: I'm not any kind of concrete expert.
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.280
Jordan Liebman: I'm sure there's some kind of civil engineer that could answer those questions.
01:01:45.980 --> 01:01:49.200
Jordan Liebman: But concrete was, for them, it was basically permanent.
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.480
Jordan Liebman: And there are a lot of places where the concrete is still good.
01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:07.040
Jordan Liebman: These days, we don't know that as much, because of the corruption of our road building, because they are basically designing roads that they can go ahead and charge us for in four years, when they got to do the whole damn thing again.
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.440
Jordan Liebman: But back in the old days, they had concrete that lasted damn near forever.
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:11.720
Jordan Liebman: So what's the difference?
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:12.700
Jordan Liebman: I don't know.
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:20.640
Jordan Liebman: By the 1920s, the national road was fully paved, and became part of US Route 40, which eventually extended all the way to California.
01:02:21.220 --> 01:02:23.120
Jordan Liebman: This is a road that crossed the United States.
01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:25.380
Jordan Liebman: This is the first road to cross the United States.
01:02:26.040 --> 01:02:30.280
Jordan Liebman: Route 40 no longer goes all the way to the California coast.
01:02:30.700 --> 01:02:36.960
Jordan Liebman: There's a section west of Nevada that they just went a different direction with.
01:02:37.060 --> 01:02:38.800
Jordan Liebman: But Route 40 does go into Nevada.
01:02:39.340 --> 01:02:42.080
Jordan Liebman: Back in the 1920s, it went all the way to the coast.
01:02:42.540 --> 01:02:46.160
Jordan Liebman: Now, you remember, I asked Robin about this road in California.
01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:47.460
Jordan Liebman: Did you ever ride this road?
01:02:47.900 --> 01:02:51.240
Jordan Liebman: And it had like, you know, 2000 turns and X miles.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:52.700
Jordan Liebman: That road is gone.
01:02:53.120 --> 01:02:55.380
Jordan Liebman: That was part of this road, okay?
01:02:55.460 --> 01:02:58.980
Jordan Liebman: This was part of the road that got you from one place to the other.
01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:00.060
Jordan Liebman: It's sad.
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.040
Jordan Liebman: I mean, you can go there and wander it, and it's like going to the ruins.
01:03:03.640 --> 01:03:05.900
Jordan Liebman: You can't take your motorcycle and ride it anymore.
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Jordan Liebman: They found better and different ways to do it.
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Jordan Liebman: It is estimated that at its peak, the national road, on the national road, there was a tavern every mile.
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Jordan Liebman: Maybe we need to look at the national road as the beginning of drinking and driving in the United States.
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Jordan Liebman: The national road was started by our founding fathers for a variety of reasons, and developed from federal and state efforts, and grew organically by additions from local interests over a period of around 100 years until it became our first national road, U.S. Route 40, which spanned the entire country from coast to coast.
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Jordan Liebman: It gave us road signs, distances to next towns, and mile markers, tolls, and other aspects of riding and driving we are all familiar with today.
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Jordan Liebman: There's your buckle.
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Brian Wringer: So the wind down.
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Brian Wringer: Let's talk about what's next.
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Brian Wringer: A little glimpse of what's coming up.
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Brian Wringer: What are some things we want to talk about next time, Robin?
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Robin Dean: Terminology.
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Robin Dean: I want to talk about the low-hanging fruit trail breaking as different training curriculums use different explanations.
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Robin Dean: This is all well and good until anyone who wears said curriculum like a pair of horse blinders, meaning the history and culture of the original statement for that term is obscured, leaving the mouth of confident ignorance arguing moot points.
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Robin Dean: So trail braking in one curriculum is compressing the front suspension so that you can corner a little bit harder, and as you reach the apex, you begin to release the brake while applying more gas.
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Robin Dean: Whereas if you're a new rider who's not supposed to hear about it in some MSF course, all it means is braking beyond the entrance of a corner.
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Robin Dean: With no reference to the point of doing so.
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Robin Dean: I've had conversations with riders who are like, I don't trail brake unless I made a mistake.
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Robin Dean: And I thought you are on my do not ride with list.
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Robin Dean: Trail braking is a tool.
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Robin Dean: And it's just one example of various terms in motorcycling that get blurred by third parties saying, well, we can invent our own version of that ourselves.
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Robin Dean: And it has nothing to do with the original.
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Brian Wringer: Excellent.
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Brian Wringer: I can think of some of those.
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Brian Wringer: And there's so many terms like that, where people get all tied up in knots.
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Brian Wringer: I don't even want to say it.
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Brian Wringer: The word counter steering.
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Brian Wringer: Ready to get out of here?
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Brian Wringer: Yes.
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Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.