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Weighing in.
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It's quite good, actually, isn't it, the name?
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I I like that.
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I like it.
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Welcome to Weighing In.
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Uh Nico De Boinville, a top jockey.
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Daryl Jacob used to be a top jockey and myself never been a jockey.
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So between the three of us, we're probably perfectly positioned for a racing podcast at all.
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All things jumps racing and all things um outside of racing as well, including what have the lads been up to on their summers.
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Nico, how are you?
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Very well, Frankie.
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How are you?
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I'm good form, yeah.
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Daryl.
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You're laughing away already.
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Can I just come in here, frankly, very quickly?
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So our viewers wouldn't have seen Nico for what four or five months since he broke his um since he got injured.
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I haven't been injured.
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I haven't been injured.
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Yeah, I haven't been look at the hairstyle.
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Look at that.
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I was trying to do you a favor there saying why you haven't you've been getting your your dad bond for the last four months.
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I was trying to save you by saying you've had it had an injury.
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What is that hairstyle about?
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I mean, this is uh this is an exclusive to our viewers here.
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This the hairstyle.
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Well, to be fair, Jamie Moore has been on at me for about the last eight years to say I need to whip the hair off and just go skinhead.
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So I went slow, I started off grade three, then I went to grade two, and then I've just started doing it myself at grade one.
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So it's so much cheaper, quick, easy, and even the kids can do it.
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A grade one level haircut.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You feel like a new man, Nico.
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It's honestly, it's changed my life.
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Yeah, it's brilliant.
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Do you know what I think?
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Do you know what I think it's growing back?
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I actually think it's growing back.
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I need to clear something up with you before we start.
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How do I pronounce your name?
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Because everyone calls you Nico, Nico.
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Changes every person that I ask, and I'm sure you even change it from time to time.
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Nico, can you say say your full name when you're doing this, right?
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No, I'm not.
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I'm not saying myself.
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No, no.
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This isn't a Matt Chapman show, alright?
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Okay.
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We're just it's just Nico Du Boinville.
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Perfect.
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Very straightforward, very easy.
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Yeah.
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Grade one hand.
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I've been around long enough.
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You know, you wouldn't thought.
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Yes, fair point.
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Fair point.
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Uh Darren, how are you?
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How's your summer been?
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Um, very good, Frankie.
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Yeah, been uh been very busy watching you and your celebrity life uh darting off here, there, and everywhere.
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Uh I'm not gonna lie to you.
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I've been been watching in jealousy from far beyond.
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But um, yeah, no, very busy, Frankie.
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Yeah, uh a lot of hospitality.
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Racing TV has been good, talk sport radio's been good.
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Haven't had a chance to have uh a family holiday.
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Um, and unfortunately the kids have gone back to school now.
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So um I've saved a few quid there, so I'm happy.
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And um, yeah, it's uh it's just been a busy, busy summer.
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What's the summer highlight in your calendar?
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Obviously, it's all flat racing, go, go, go.
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What's what's your favorite festival?
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Do you know I got a real kick out of um Dacquari Bay?
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I've done a racing TV feature on him um at Alan King's.
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And me and Alan King go back an awful long way.
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Um, and when racing TV asked me would I do a feature for Dacquari Bay uh before the e-bor, I got down and and I sat on him.
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And um, I always enjoy my times anyway with with um with Alan.
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And for like to do a bit of filming like that, you know, on a horse like that, and he goes and wins the the Skybet e-bor.
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To be fair, I got a I got a real kick out of that, so I did Frankie.
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You know, I I watched him going around the pre-parade ring on the camera.
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I did think his back was looking a bit dippy, you know?
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A bit of a dip back.
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Maybe that could have made him up.
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He was used to carrying Daz around, so they got a bit Nika.
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You've got some neck saying that to me, mind.
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I mean, literally, you haven't ridden.
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I seen you riding yesterday on one of the royal colours, and to be fair, your cheeks were fairly rosy at the back end of that race.
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So you were do you want to know how much I weighed?
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Go on, here we go.
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Take take a guess how much I weighed yesterday.
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Should we all guess each other's weight?
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Uh a pure athlete that like you are, I would say you were easily 11 uh sorry, 10 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, 10.
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Oh, so you're saying strong.
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Very strong.
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Very strong.
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I was 10 stone three yesterday.
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That's because you've lost all that hair.
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The hair, everything.
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Uh I know you're gonna come to me and ask me about what my summer highlights were.
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Uh, it was watching Frankie actually on Celebrity Love Island this summer.
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It's fantastic.
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Well, how was it?
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Uh Celebrity Love Island.
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I can't remember that one.
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Maybe if you were watching the highlights from eight years ago, you might have caught some sort of documentary.
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What was that like, Frankie?
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Actually, what was it like being in there?
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What I mean, was it as all it made out to be?
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Was it as good a crack as it lets on to be, or not?
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I wouldn't say as good a crack.
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I was 22, so it was, you know, go in, why not?
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But you don't get left to your own devices.
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You are there to make a show.
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But it was it was interesting.
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You have to I didn't do a whole lot.
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That was my problem.
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I didn't last very long, and I didn't do a whole lot.
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When you go in, you're supposed to be funny and get involved and get in arguments and be amongst the drama.
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I just sat on the sun lounge already and chilled out.
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You see all that beautiful girls and just get really nervous and just go into shout.
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That was it.
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I was over in the corner just hi guys to come and talk to me.
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Hi guys, hi ladies, I'm Frankie Foster.
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But the best thing, the best thing I did was uh a strip tease, and then I got booted out the day after.
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So that's how it went for me.
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Do you know what I have been watching, Nico?
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Yeah, the gentleman.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh I mean, yeah, where it's filmed, it's filmed next to Daryl.
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Yeah, Badminton, yeah.
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Oh, is it?
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Yeah, they've done a lot of film beside me here at yeah, Babminton, yeah.
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That's how I for anyone that hasn't seen The Gentleman, I'm sure most people have, but the there's the Duke who um gets with a very pretty Italian countess and also has these brilliant grounds, grows a weed farm underneath, all sorts of uh shooting in the morning.
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That's kind of how I pictured your summer, Nicker.
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Well, I'm not sure about the weed farm underground, but you know, I'm not gonna rule it out, you know.
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Um but no, I one thing I was watching was uh you riding a horse up again.
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Oh, yeah.
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What did you think?
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Um it was good fun.
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I mean, I've sat on the tour a horse twice in my life.
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Once was a pony at Gavin From Wells, and I almost got bucked off.
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And the second time was a riding pony, which I was told was going to take me through a riding trail, and I ended up going up the gallop and then round the round gallop a couple of times.
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I actually really enjoyed it.
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Oh, you did well then.
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I wasn't uh the most stylish, and I'm weighing in at a cool 90 kilos, so there's there's a bit to lose.
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I did really enjoy it.
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I'd give it another go for sure.
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Nico, what we should do is we should train Nico, we should train him up to ride in them charity, one of them charity races down at Wing Canton.
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What do you think about that?
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Yeah, that'd be good, wouldn't it?
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That'd be a good show, wouldn't it?
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I could see Frankie in the Magnolia Cup, couldn't you?
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Yeah, I think I could.
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I think I could, yeah.
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Right up your street, Frankie.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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In some of those silks, yeah.
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Right.
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Maybe that'll be the target then.
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Yeah, Magnolia Cup, but the wing cancelling cup.
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Nico, could you imagine Frankie in a pair of skin type breeches?
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Oh yeah, like they do in France.
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Like they do in France.
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I'd love it.
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Yeah.
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Anything serious over the summer, Nico?
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I'm sure you have.
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Um what?
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When do you start to go back in and sit on some of the oh I've been in a lot recently.
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Um yeah, just schooling up the youngsters.
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I mean, obviously, on a more serious note, I mean the the ground has really sort of affected everyone.
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And I think a lot of trainers have just they've got their horses in, and I think they've seen how the weather's going to be um up until November.
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I think everyone's just slightly uh held off um getting stuck into their horses too much.
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So uh at the moment we're using this time to school them up so that when we are ready to go, we can crack on and uh yeah, off we are.
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But um To bring that or create a a bit of a a backlog of horses to make it more competitive when they all hit the ground.
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I'm sure, I'm sure those once the rain comes, I'm sure those novice hurdles are gonna have full fields and um lots of runners.
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I mean, you're looking at your Warwick novices over 2-5, 2-3, and your Newbury's over, you know, two miles, and I think you're gonna have you know two divisions possibly, and um it should make for competitive racing, and and that will lead to uh the better horses coming through.
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Going back to the um going back to the student, have you um have you got many young new like many new recruits from last year?
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And do any of them um stand out at the moment?
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We've got a few nice we well from the back end of last season, we you know we've got some nice bumper horses going forward.
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Um, you know, well-bred horses, and we also were quite effective in using those uh junior national hunt maiden hurdles as well last year, which means even if they win those, they're still novices for this year.
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Um, and yet they've got the experience under themselves.
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So yeah, we've got plenty of horses who are you know there or thereabouts and and will know their job going into this season.
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How much do you know, Nikola, when you go in early doors?
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How much of it is well, this was a nice horse last season, he's gonna come on a little bit, he's a bit unfit.
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Uh do you do you ever get on horse and go, Jesus Christ, he's feeling well?
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Uh as soon as you start jumping them, you know straight away, you know, if they're gonna have have anything about them, really.
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Um you can tell a class horse, and Daryl will tell you himself, you know, as soon as they show that they're athletic and and they can do it, then um that puts a smile on your face straight away.
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Doesn't it, Daryl?
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We like them when they go in and dance, don't we, Nico?
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Oh, we do, yeah.
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Yeah, I tell you, Frankie, we used to I used to me and Nico used to do an awful lot of schooling, obviously, together in seven burrows.
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Um, and obviously Nico is uh you know stable jockey and he's a senior, and all the young lads coming in behind them, they have to mold into Nico's way of getting the horses schooled up and and and jumping.
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And me and Nico, whenever we had it together, we were just it was spot on, wasn't it, Nico?
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We're upside, we educated both the horses lovely, and it was lovely.
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And then every now and again, uh you'll hear Nico screaming across the schooling yard at one of the young lads going up there where they've gone too fast, or a horse is stepping at hurdle, and then you just you just get Nico.
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He doesn't lose his ranks very much, but God, it is funny when he does lose it.
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In fairness, I can see that.
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I'm not sure I'd like I'm not sure I'd like to take a bullet thing off you, Nico, on a bad day.
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Well, and the thing is, you know, you you can look at it like that, but Barry Garretti, you know, who was my sort of mentor and the guy I came uh behind, and he would always say, you know, don't worry about you know what what the young lads do on those horses, because do you know what it makes the horses learn for themselves, and yeah, there's an element of truth in that.
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But at the same time, you know, if you want to see these young lads coming through and coming forward, then they've got to learn to do things the right way and teach these horses the correct way.
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Right, I hate to do this to you.
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It won't be a whole another year of talking about Constitution Hill, or maybe you don't mind talking about him still, but obviously, as we're recording this, he has just run over the weekend.
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Um, the horse that is in all the headlines, he actually has which I which is amazing and brilliant in some ways.
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He has his own section on the racing post where you can go into international news, jumps news, Britain news.
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There is a Constitution Hill page because he picked up all the headlines.
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I was I was doing a bit of research before because my initial thoughts was has any horse done this in the past?
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Have we had champion hurdle winners that have won group races on the flat?
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And there are a couple of examples.
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Um both horses, I wasn't actually alive when they won the champion hurdle, but the pair of you were, and you probably remember them.
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Um, one being older Brook, obviously, who everyone knows.
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Yeah, won a couple of group races in France.
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And the other was a horse called Royal Gate.
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Um won a group race at age four, champion hurdle at age nine.
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So same age as Constitution Hill.
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That was in 1992.
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So that's been horses in the past that have done groups.
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Yeah, but not the other way around.
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Not the other way round.
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So that's where he's unique.
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He's done that jumping first, and now he's an old boy on the flat competing against the Yankees.
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What did you make of his performance?
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I thought it was credible.
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I thought it was a great run.
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I mean, he's been off for the summer, he's had his break, and the trouble is the media hype of it all, you know, they all want it to be uh you know, we're going to the Breeders' Club Classic or something like that, you know.
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And um, you know, when it doesn't quite sort of pay off like that.
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I I thought he travelled into the race fantastic, looked like he was going to go and go through with it, and then he's probably just taken a blow at the at the furlong pole, which you can forgive because he's been off in the he's had his break and he hasn't been running like the other horses.
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Well you you would know as well as I would, Nick, with with uh the way Nikki trains the horses, um, and and and he gallops him up up his gallop.
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His gallop is a brilliant gallop, isn't it?
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And it gets him like so fit, but it's when the real core fitness comes on into Nikki's horses, is when they start getting up the grass, isn't it?
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And that's the but they just they just jump to another level of fitness when they start working up the grass.
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And I'm the same as you.
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I I thought he ran very, very credible.
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I was always a great believer, and well, I'm not a believer, but I was always in my mind, I always thought, you know, with the Nikki's gallop and and with the lack of being up on the grass and being on grass himself for the layoff des just the way Nikki trains his horses.
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I was always thinking that he was always going to need a run after a layoff.
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Yeah, well, exactly.
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I mean, let's see what the handicapper does tomorrow.
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But if he doesn't put him up seven pounds, you know, I'd be surprised.
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So there'd be some nice handicaps in him.
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Like on the back end of the year, if he gets a sensible handicap, Mark, there's actually some really, really attractable races for him.
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Like uh in Ireland, you know, there's obviously ground is softer over in Ireland at the moment.
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So like he's he's still got time, hasn't he?
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He certainly has.
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You know, there are so many opportunities for him.
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Um, you know, you're gonna jump you're gonna jump a fence on him then, aren't you, in November time, December time?
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No, you can come and do that, Darryl.
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You know, he's still he's still nine, and and he's he's lightly raised on the on the face of it.
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Um so I still think there's plenty more to come.
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And and you know, some people are clamoring for him to retire, but what's he gonna do?
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Go and sit in he's still got half his life to live, if not more.
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And what you're gonna sit in a paddock and get bored?
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I don't think he'd be up for that.
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So, and and as we've seen this week, you know, anything can happen in a paddock.
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So right now, he's got you know the life of luxury where he is, he he's so well looked after, like all the horses are, um, and he's enjoying his racing.
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I mean, I thought he was he was you know loving being out there on on Saturday, and um, yeah, it's just I I guess the hype slightly leads to a bit of deflation, but um, you know, on the bare face of it, I was very happy with him.
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Look, if you look at True Sham, Frankie, for example, the way he was campaigned by by Alan King.
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I mean, he's had a remarkable um career like and and like you say, you can um train Constitution Hill like them, like what Alan King did at True Sham.
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There is plenty of early season races, you get him out early.
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Yes, during the the real fast ground during the summer, you don't have to run them, and then through the end of the season, the back end, there's plenty of big pots for him to still run in.
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Okay, you kind of you kind of both answered it then, but in a in a sort of word or a or a sentence or two, what are your hopes for him?
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Not necessarily he needs to win this race, but what would you just like to see from him over the next couple of years?
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Continue racing.
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Yeah.
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Enjoying.
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I like to see the horse out there.
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I like to see the horse enjoying his racing.
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And look, he's gonna win his races.
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He he's not gonna be, I can't see him ever being uh being a group one horse or or anything like that, but I can see them be to a high level group two, group three, a top handicapper, and from there, from from there you you get to travel and you get to run in some decent races anyway.
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It's not as if we're talking about a horse that's gonna be rated, you know, 75-80 on the flat.
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Then it's you know what I mean.
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You're you're stuck to all weather and that sort of stuff.
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But he is he's still gonna be he'll still run to a very decent level, wouldn't he, Nico?
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Oh, very much so.
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And if you think if you go to a yearling sale and you say this horse will be rated over 100, I mean they'd be going for fortunes in the sales ring.
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So let's let's enjoy him whilst he's here.
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And um, you know, he's gonna win some nice races, and he's got such a fan base, and it's just great to see a horse out there enjoying himself.
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My hope would be one big festival win.
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I think that'd be awesome.
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Just a packed York or a you know, a big handicap somewhere, a full field rather than the although it's nice to get people to Kempton, but uh a big summer festival would be awesome.
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Anyway, he keeps us talking, and yeah, I think you both nailed it.
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Keep enjoying his racing, and we can keep enjoying watching him whilst he's still able to race.
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Quick bar from the fans, then.
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Um, just a couple of questions, some of which you can answer together, some of which be well, no, I'm sure you can both answer all of them.
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Who's the best horse you've sat on this summer, the classic to kick us off?
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You never get escaped from that question.
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Yes.
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Oh gosh, well, I haven't ridden this summer, so probably one of my ponies.
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They're all for sale.
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Well, it counts if you ride them at the gallops.
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It counts if you sit on them at the gallops.
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No, no, just ponies I've ridden this summer.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well, we know where Nico stands on how much information he's willing to dive.
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I'll give information when there's information to give.
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Nico, how's um how's our jump?
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Have you jumped our jump yet that you showed me around the school?
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Have you jumped any of the ponies over your jump or not?
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So I've jumped, yeah, I've jumped all those hedges, but that big one, I'm actually nervous.
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It's it's big, isn't it?
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It is big, Daryl.
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Not a chance when you get me jumping on anyway.
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Yeah, I'm gonna lead you over it one day.
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Yeah.
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You won't, not a chance.
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Not a chance.
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Daryl, Zachary Bang.
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Uh yeah, I mean, look at I mean he's the highlight uh for me for sure.
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Um again, I'm a bit like um Nico.
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I haven't um I haven't sat sat on a lot of horses um obviously over the summertime, but uh from next week onwards now I'm going I'm going to Ireland uh tonight.
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So I'm gonna sit in on a lot of our horses now for the next week over in Ireland.
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So uh whenever we do the podcast uh next week, hopefully I've sat on some nice horses and I can report back then, Frankie.
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Sounds good.
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Report back you will, Daryl.
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Which current jump jockey would make the best trainer?
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Which what between me and Nico?
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No, no, no.
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Anyone in the way current current jump jockey would make the best trainer.
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Um I think Keelan Woods would do a good job, you know.
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Okay.
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Why is he?
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I don't know, it just I I he's got a great way with horses, he's got a great understanding with horses.
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He's very, very good at breaking in horses and and and pre-training horses.
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He's got the pre-training setup, hasn't he?
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Yeah, but also he's if you ever listen to him on his debrief whenever he comes back, he knows quite a lot about races and he he he understands what he feels of a level of horse that he has, and he's actually very good at placing them, like telling on his feedback where to to place a horse next to his best advantage.
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Um, I I think I think Keelan Woods would be a very good um, yeah.
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Okay, Nico.
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Uh probably uh John Burke.
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I think it'd be it'd be very good, yeah.
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He'll be off commentating, he's got no chance in training horses.
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He'll be off doing his commentating.
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He's good at the commentary.
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He is very good at the commentary.
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Maybe, yeah, maybe he'll be doing that instead.
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Yeah, he might train a couple on the side, you never know.
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Okay, Johnny Burke, a couple of horses on the side.
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Okay, this can be my favorite part of the show.
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Um, once a week I get to put an idea to the pair of you, and you tell me if I'm talking absolute nonsense or if it's got some legs.
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Frank, you do you always talk nonsense, so this is going to be new, isn't it?
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Off to a great start.
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I haven't even got my idea right yet.
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Um so jump season's coming up.
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I don't think we're gonna get these changes made um this quickly, but you're the same.
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Well, actually, they probably don't ask you, uh Daryl being a jump structure for most of your life, but I always get asked, are you a jumps man, are you a flat man?
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What do you prefer?
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Why do you prefer X, Y, whatever?
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And the argument for the flat is always that there's a little bit more of a campaign to follow with the three classics.
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You have the two-year-olds coming through, you have Ascot mid-season, you have festivals end season.
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It seems a little bit more chronological to me in some ways and a bit more consistent in terms of how things pop up throughout the season, keep you interested.
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Jumps were guilty of heavily leaning towards um Countham and Anche at the back end of the season.
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Wild suggestion why to get some some focus this side of Christmas, why can't we have like a jumps racing triple crown or something like that?
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Can't there be a staged series that is one pre Christmas, one new year, one uh springtime?
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What do we reckon?
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The jumps triple crown, the champion chase triple crown.
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Well, you you used to have that with the with the Bet Fair Chase, the um King George, and then the gold cut, wasn't it, Darrell?
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Yeah, they did, yeah.
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Um QCard was the famous one.
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Remember, he was gold.
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For he'd what he'd won the Bet Fair, won the King George, and he was going for that.
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Um for the Gold Cup, and he fell in the Gold Cup that yeah.
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What was it, a million quid bonus, something like that?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but I but I I I must admit, Frankie, I I agree with you is in the fact that we are very, very much Cheltenham, everything's geared up to Cheltenham the whole season.
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Um, I do like it in Ireland where they have these festivals like you've got um at Leopertstown and you've got Fairy House, you've got a lot of festivals leading up to Cheltenham.
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And I do feel that at times that it just rolls on, and then we see horses that you know win at Sandown, they win at Newbury, and then all of a sudden they're all talked about um as in Cheltenham horses.
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I would love to I me personally again, I would love to see um uh a decent sort of uh festival campaign around it.
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And I know obviously it's very, very difficult to do because obviously between the Christmas, um, you know, Chris Christmas uh Boxing Day and New Year's Day, there is a lot of racing on between them.
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So trying to fit in big festivals or a festival before them, I suppose, is is going to be a little bit difficult.
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But I do think I do think we are missing something before Christmas in the middle part of the season, say from September to this the end of December.
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I do think we're missing uh a big sort of a festival there that could fit in nicely there.
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What do you think about it?
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Which is very big.
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We have Christmas meeting.
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I'm thinking more for the horse, you know, especially the the classics.
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We have the champion three-year-old.
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We have it's done less and less now, in fairness, but your Guinea's winners, who's then gonna kick on um and go and win the derby ledger.
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Okay, it's not really thought about as a triple anymore.
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But you know, even like a champion novice, you get all these bumper horses coming through, who's gonna string together a sentence of grade one wins through the next season, which are tied together somehow, rather than yes, you have the luxury of choosing your races, don't you?
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Whereas the guineas, you have to run in the guineas, the derby you have to run in the derby.
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They are the tests of the best three-year-old for that year, whereas you could run it in a grade one up north, or you could run in a grade one down south, you could pick your battles a bit differently over jumps.
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Just how could we tie a seasonal target together?
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But the the difference is, I suppose, if we're gonna get really boring about it, is that uh the three-year-olds, it's their stallion-making box and tools, and it's all business, really.
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Um, whereas it's a bit different for us.
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I've got my Colmore cap on, actually.
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.359
Well, I saw that I did see that.
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So uh yeah.
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I'm trying to try and raise my stallion profile.
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I can see that, yeah.
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Yeah, first season fire as well.
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Like yeah, I guess so.
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I guess so.
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Well, I mean, we can't uh my only the only my the the thought came because I read a Racing Post article about Gordon Elliott's stars coming back in.
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I thought, oh click on this and and a bit of interest in what the likes uh you know the bright days ahead, etc.
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doing.
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And within the first two lines, there was quotes of prices for Cheltenham.
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And it's like, oh come on, that's miles away.
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Don't give me a you know 14 to 1 for the Ryanair.
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I want to know what I've ever got more of, like in Ireland, like we'll just say, for example, like we have like Constitution Hill.
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In England, we can dodge the bullet an awful lot easier.
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Where in Ireland you do have like your your your top graded horses, your grade ones, your statements, and brighter days in it.
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There is that bit of a pattern leading to the champion earl.
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Whereas over here, like well, I think we have it.
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Is it the Kingwell or and and the Kingwell and uh the the race at Hadock, they're within three weeks of each other.
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Like you you you can sort of dodge the bullets a little bit over here, which I I would rather the good horses they've got to become a bit like in what they do in Ireland, they have to come because the pattern of them races they can only run in them races.
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.480
And I just find at times over here we can dodge all them bullets.
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Yeah, maybe we shift prize man into smaller races, so there's big pots for a couple of races throughout the season.
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:07.920
That'd be quite cool.
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Million quid rates three times.
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Well, at the end of the day, that's what's down to isn't it?
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It's surprise money.
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I mean, the the fight and fit in Newcastle is is worth uh quite a lot of money.
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Whereas you got the you know, some of the the other the grade two trials, they're not worth as much money, and that's why they don't attract it.
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What was the grade one at Sandown?
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Um, that they used to have uh Nico was I won a couple of times, it was only like uh 17,000 to the winner.
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:39.920
Like it wasn't you know the toller, the taller, yes, the toll, like again, things like that.
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You know, if if you want to bring them to the elite to bring them to the where they you you've got to have decent prize money for that, haven't you, Nico?
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.599
Of course, he justifies his status as a great.
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I think if you if you look at what happened in the summer with some goddess winning the sales race up at York, if the prize money is put on, then you will get the good horses.
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It's just a fact of it.
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:12.160
Um, you know, you look at you look at these early races in in uh United States, and you've got good horses going out there at Far Hills to go and try and win the American Grand National just because it's seriously good prize money.
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.319
And why wouldn't if you have the horse?
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.079
Yeah, you're right.
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Need the cash.
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Nico, what big pot are you gonna win this side of Christmas?
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Oh I I don't know.
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I I don't know.
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I'll just do my best.
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.759
I'm I'm here to enjoy it and enjoy the horses and uh yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's still early days, isn't it?
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It's still early days.
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Um, right to finish up.
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I wouldn't say that too loud.
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.599
I'm not into that kind of thing, you know.
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.920
I'll leave that to you and Daryl.
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.720
Frankie, you're not quite right there, you are ridiculous.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if Frankie would last that long in the wearing room, I have to say.
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I think he might be in the corner park.
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Oh god, I'd just be in the corner like making my mind and there's on your son lounger.
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I'll be flying over there like that.
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I had a good one yesterday.
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I just gotta tell a little story after yesterday.
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So I had my first ride back, right?
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And obviously, you know, I like to wind a few people up.
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:19.680
And Brendan Powell went and won it, and there were loads of kids and loads of people there at Fontwell.
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And one of the things that uh jockeys only usually have like a few pairs of goggles, and usually only one whip, because whips are actually really expensive.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:36.000
And so I did a few of the autographs and photographs, and there's a big gaggle of uh kids there, and I was like, Do you know what would be really good?
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When you ask the winner, Brendan Powell, please, please ask him for his goggles and his whip.
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:50.000
And he came back in and he said, I've just been asked by about 25 kids for goggles and my whip.
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And he couldn't say no.
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Did he give him to me?
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.559
He couldn't say no.
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So he went into his bag, found all his old goggles, and that went out the front again.
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.359
How much does a whip cost out of interest?
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.440
About 45 quid, isn't it, Daryl?
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:08.559
We want to be handing them out every weekend.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.759
No, that's what you did.
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:11.440
You don't want to drop it either.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:18.319
No, did James did James Bone go out and get his whip yesterday that he dropped, by the way?
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.200
He got it quite swiftly, yeah.
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.720
Some of them could run it back, yeah.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.079
Tight Welshman.
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.839
You don't miss a trick.
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:27.119
You don't miss a trick, Darryl.
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:27.839
Oh, sure.
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.039
Have you got any memories of dropping the whip on a good horse?
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:42.559
Um did I I think when Lamy no, did I yeah, I think I think I might have dropped it on Lamy Serge when he won the French champion hurdle.
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:50.720
I think I might have to I have dropped the whip plenty of times, alright.
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:50.960
Yeah.
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:57.759
It must be the worst when you know you've done it and and the commentator or the presenter just gets stuck in on the replays.
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.160
That must the slow-mo's that must be the killer.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.599
Uh it is quite funny watching someone else do it, mind.
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Just not yourself.
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:06.960
I I did it actually.
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:13.119
There's a good uh bit of slow-mo of Sam Whaley Cohen, his wit flying out, and he actually caught it mid-air.
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.200
That was on the punch done.
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:17.599
Yeah.
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.839
What are you up to, Dar?
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:20.960
What's coming up today?
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:29.680
Um, I am going to just get myself ready now here to head and get ready for the boat and head back to Orlando, back to the native land, Frankie.
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.480
Oh, yeah.
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.519
I'll see you there this weekend.
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.640
Irish Champions Festival.
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.920
Oh, the Irish Champions Weekend.
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I'm actually, I don't think I'm over there on Saturday.
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.440
Um, great.
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.079
That's a great weekend, that Irish Champions Weekend, isn't it?
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:40.559
Brilliant.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.079
I'm looking forward to it.
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Saturday morning.
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.319
I'm flying in and then back out Sunday.
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:44.799
Yeah.
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:45.839
What are you saying?
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.960
Are you saying another one of your posh hotels that you're doing?
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.519
You can't say that because then he might get all his stalkers out there.
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.160
All two of them.
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.279
All these women, all these women out the front door.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.759
Yeah.
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.599
Just when are you writing next time?
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:11.119
Where you're saying when you go to Beverly Ladies Day, then you say um when are you when are you racing next, Nicole?
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.119
I don't know when I'm racing next tonight.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:14.000
Are you hitting?
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.400
I suppose you're gonna hit the gym after this, are you?
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:16.960
You know what?
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.160
I'm in the gym all the time.
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.680
You know, yeah.
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:20.799
I do actually look it.
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.200
Like Sean Bowen could not believe it yesterday.
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:23.759
Yeah.
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.599
Yeah, but you're intimidated by just the look of you.
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.880
I'm sure.
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:29.839
I'm sure.
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.000
I got three of all my abs.
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:32.720
Yeah.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.680
Pull up uh all all your fan favors, your viewers, Sean.
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.599
Give us a look at your six pack there, Nico.
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:40.559
No, no, no.
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.160
I'd knock a few people out.
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:43.599
Like, yeah, no.
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.680
Um on it on it on the separate, you mentioned Sean Bourne.
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.039
I think that's going to be an interesting him and Harry Skelton this year, isn't it?
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.160
It's going to be an interesting season for both of them, isn't it, with the jockey championship?
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.920
Yeah, but I think um I think Dan's really got the bit between his teeth, doesn't he, this year?
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.200
I think it'd be I think it'd be really difficult for Sean, won't it?
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.079
It will be.
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.839
I mean, this Operation 244, that's what it is, isn't it?
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.480
And um well, that's what it is.
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.319
Operation 244.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.839
They'll be getting the challenge for the double, won't they, really?
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.200
That's what they want.
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:20.079
I don't know.
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.119
All they want is if the double comes, it doesn't matter.
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:24.720
They just want that that number.
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.480
That Mountain Pipes number.
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:27.920
Yeah, that is what they want.
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.559
And you know, that I'm afraid that will just make Harry champion.
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.960
But that but they're they're just full of it, aren't they?
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.680
They're they're loving it.
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:36.880
Harry's riding well.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:49.119
You know, I'm not saying that Sean isn't riding well, but you know, ultimately you need the ammunition, and Dan's just got so much firepower there, and um, he's got an amazing team behind him, so yeah.
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.240
You might put you might come in for a few spare rides for Dan this year, will you?
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.759
I do, I ride the odd one for you.
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.079
Yeah, you do ride the odd one for a yeah, yeah.
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:57.759
I might have to go and ride out there.
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:58.480
Yeah.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:04.640
You look like a young man in the name of competition.
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.119
Um who I wouldn't be able to ride for.
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:09.519
No.
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.319
No.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.160
Everyone's everyone's very, very friendly in our in our sport, aren't they?
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.400
Um no.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:27.200
I mean, you you're everyone's got their affiliated with their own yards, and it's very hard to break into um, you know, once those those bonds are sort of made, it's very hard to break into places.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.960
So um, but yeah, no, everyone, everyone's you know, very hard.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.880
I mean, Harry riding, was it Harry riding for Nichols in the national was a perfect case, wasn't it?
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:41.519
Where if he'd have rode the national winner, he might have nudged Nichols titre in the champ trainers' champions, something like that anyway.
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.240
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.839
But don't forget, Harry used to be his um Paul's conditional.
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.160
So you know, he started out there.
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:52.000
Um yeah, I just I've just never left my stable.
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.200
Loyal man.
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.680
You went you went there when you were 16, didn't you?
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.039
No, I was in school at 16, Darrell, like most people should be.
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.400
No, but you know you stayed out there at the weekends and stuff like that.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.200
I'm su no.
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.119
19?
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:08.320
Oh, was I?
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.840
Okay.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.800
What would you have been if you weren't a jockey, Nicker?
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.679
What were you on route for qualifications, guys?
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.199
Um probably something really boring.
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:19.840
I don't know.
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:20.400
I don't know.
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:26.960
No, probably something boring, but I'd probably be in rehab by now, so yeah.
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.440
Well, uh okay, that's the end of the show.
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.440
Jens, thanks very much.
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.800
I'm conscious of time, so I don't want to um keep us jabbering on for long.
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:48.159
But we'll try and keep it tight over the next couple of weeks with what we're what's in the news, what the fans are saying, my mad ideas, and then obviously what's coming up racing wise when we get into the thick of the jump season, and of course, all the stories from the pair of you.
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:52.719
And your lives, which are far more interesting than mine in and out of the weighing room.
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.000
Thanks again.
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.199
Dude, Frankie.
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We'll look forward to next week.
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We'll we'll plan in my first riding lesson down.
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.199
That'd be great.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:10.239
We'll get you down to uh to seven barrows one one day, and then we'll all go riding up the galaxy together.
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.280
How cool would that be?
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:20.159
Nico Constitution Hill, you and John Bond, and me me on the I don't know, one of Sarah's kids' ponies or something.
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.079
We get to that point, we're doing well, lads.
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Right.
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Love y'all.
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Weighing in.
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It's quite good, actually, isn't it, the name?
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I I like that.
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I like it.
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Welcome to Weighing In.
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Uh Nico De Boinville, a top jockey.
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Daryl Jacob used to be a top jockey and myself never been a jockey.
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So between the three of us, we're probably perfectly positioned for a racing podcast at all.
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All things jumps racing and all things um outside of racing as well, including what have the lads been up to on their summers.
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Nico, how are you?
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Very well, Frankie.
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How are you?
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I'm good form, yeah.
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Daryl.
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You're laughing away already.
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Can I just come in here, frankly, very quickly?
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So our viewers wouldn't have seen Nico for what four or five months since he broke his um since he got injured.
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I haven't been injured.
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I haven't been injured.
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Yeah, I haven't been look at the hairstyle.
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Look at that.
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I was trying to do you a favor there saying why you haven't you've been getting your your dad bond for the last four months.
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I was trying to save you by saying you've had it had an injury.
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What is that hairstyle about?
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I mean, this is uh this is an exclusive to our viewers here.
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This the hairstyle.
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Well, to be fair, Jamie Moore has been on at me for about the last eight years to say I need to whip the hair off and just go skinhead.
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So I went slow, I started off grade three, then I went to grade two, and then I've just started doing it myself at grade one.
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So it's so much cheaper, quick, easy, and even the kids can do it.
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A grade one level haircut.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You feel like a new man, Nico.
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It's honestly, it's changed my life.
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Yeah, it's brilliant.
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Do you know what I think?
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Do you know what I think it's growing back?
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I actually think it's growing back.
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I need to clear something up with you before we start.
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How do I pronounce your name?
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Because everyone calls you Nico, Nico.
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Changes every person that I ask, and I'm sure you even change it from time to time.
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Nico, can you say say your full name when you're doing this, right?
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No, I'm not.
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I'm not saying myself.
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No, no.
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This isn't a Matt Chapman show, alright?
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Okay.
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We're just it's just Nico Du Boinville.
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Perfect.
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Very straightforward, very easy.
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Yeah.
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Grade one hand.
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I've been around long enough.
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You know, you wouldn't thought.
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Yes, fair point.
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Fair point.
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Uh Darren, how are you?
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How's your summer been?
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Um, very good, Frankie.
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Yeah, been uh been very busy watching you and your celebrity life uh darting off here, there, and everywhere.
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Uh I'm not gonna lie to you.
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I've been been watching in jealousy from far beyond.
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But um, yeah, no, very busy, Frankie.
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Yeah, uh a lot of hospitality.
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Racing TV has been good, talk sport radio's been good.
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Haven't had a chance to have uh a family holiday.
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Um, and unfortunately the kids have gone back to school now.
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So um I've saved a few quid there, so I'm happy.
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And um, yeah, it's uh it's just been a busy, busy summer.
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What's the summer highlight in your calendar?
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Obviously, it's all flat racing, go, go, go.
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What's what's your favorite festival?
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Do you know I got a real kick out of um Dacquari Bay?
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I've done a racing TV feature on him um at Alan King's.
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And me and Alan King go back an awful long way.
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Um, and when racing TV asked me would I do a feature for Dacquari Bay uh before the e-bor, I got down and and I sat on him.
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And um, I always enjoy my times anyway with with um with Alan.
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And for like to do a bit of filming like that, you know, on a horse like that, and he goes and wins the the Skybet e-bor.
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To be fair, I got a I got a real kick out of that, so I did Frankie.
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You know, I I watched him going around the pre-parade ring on the camera.
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I did think his back was looking a bit dippy, you know?
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A bit of a dip back.
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Maybe that could have made him up.
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He was used to carrying Daz around, so they got a bit Nika.
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You've got some neck saying that to me, mind.
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I mean, literally, you haven't ridden.
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I seen you riding yesterday on one of the royal colours, and to be fair, your cheeks were fairly rosy at the back end of that race.
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So you were do you want to know how much I weighed?
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Go on, here we go.
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Take take a guess how much I weighed yesterday.
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Should we all guess each other's weight?
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Uh a pure athlete that like you are, I would say you were easily 11 uh sorry, 10 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, 10.
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Oh, so you're saying strong.
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Very strong.
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Very strong.
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I was 10 stone three yesterday.
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That's because you've lost all that hair.
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The hair, everything.
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Uh I know you're gonna come to me and ask me about what my summer highlights were.
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Uh, it was watching Frankie actually on Celebrity Love Island this summer.
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It's fantastic.
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Well, how was it?
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Uh Celebrity Love Island.
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I can't remember that one.
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Maybe if you were watching the highlights from eight years ago, you might have caught some sort of documentary.
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What was that like, Frankie?
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Actually, what was it like being in there?
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What I mean, was it as all it made out to be?
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Was it as good a crack as it lets on to be, or not?
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I wouldn't say as good a crack.
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I was 22, so it was, you know, go in, why not?
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But you don't get left to your own devices.
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You are there to make a show.
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But it was it was interesting.
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You have to I didn't do a whole lot.
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That was my problem.
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I didn't last very long, and I didn't do a whole lot.
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When you go in, you're supposed to be funny and get involved and get in arguments and be amongst the drama.
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I just sat on the sun lounge already and chilled out.
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You see all that beautiful girls and just get really nervous and just go into shout.
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That was it.
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I was over in the corner just hi guys to come and talk to me.
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Hi guys, hi ladies, I'm Frankie Foster.
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But the best thing, the best thing I did was uh a strip tease, and then I got booted out the day after.
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So that's how it went for me.
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Do you know what I have been watching, Nico?
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Yeah, the gentleman.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh I mean, yeah, where it's filmed, it's filmed next to Daryl.
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Yeah, Badminton, yeah.
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Oh, is it?
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Yeah, they've done a lot of film beside me here at yeah, Babminton, yeah.
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That's how I for anyone that hasn't seen The Gentleman, I'm sure most people have, but the there's the Duke who um gets with a very pretty Italian countess and also has these brilliant grounds, grows a weed farm underneath, all sorts of uh shooting in the morning.
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That's kind of how I pictured your summer, Nicker.
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Well, I'm not sure about the weed farm underground, but you know, I'm not gonna rule it out, you know.
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Um but no, I one thing I was watching was uh you riding a horse up again.
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Oh, yeah.
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What did you think?
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Um it was good fun.
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I mean, I've sat on the tour a horse twice in my life.
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Once was a pony at Gavin From Wells, and I almost got bucked off.
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And the second time was a riding pony, which I was told was going to take me through a riding trail, and I ended up going up the gallop and then round the round gallop a couple of times.
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I actually really enjoyed it.
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Oh, you did well then.
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I wasn't uh the most stylish, and I'm weighing in at a cool 90 kilos, so there's there's a bit to lose.
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I did really enjoy it.
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I'd give it another go for sure.
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Nico, what we should do is we should train Nico, we should train him up to ride in them charity, one of them charity races down at Wing Canton.
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What do you think about that?
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Yeah, that'd be good, wouldn't it?
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That'd be a good show, wouldn't it?
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I could see Frankie in the Magnolia Cup, couldn't you?
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Yeah, I think I could.
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I think I could, yeah.
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Right up your street, Frankie.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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In some of those silks, yeah.
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Right.
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Maybe that'll be the target then.
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Yeah, Magnolia Cup, but the wing cancelling cup.
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Nico, could you imagine Frankie in a pair of skin type breeches?
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Oh yeah, like they do in France.
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Like they do in France.
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I'd love it.
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Yeah.
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Anything serious over the summer, Nico?
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I'm sure you have.
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Um what?
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When do you start to go back in and sit on some of the oh I've been in a lot recently.
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Um yeah, just schooling up the youngsters.
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I mean, obviously, on a more serious note, I mean the the ground has really sort of affected everyone.
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And I think a lot of trainers have just they've got their horses in, and I think they've seen how the weather's going to be um up until November.
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I think everyone's just slightly uh held off um getting stuck into their horses too much.
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So uh at the moment we're using this time to school them up so that when we are ready to go, we can crack on and uh yeah, off we are.
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But um To bring that or create a a bit of a a backlog of horses to make it more competitive when they all hit the ground.
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I'm sure, I'm sure those once the rain comes, I'm sure those novice hurdles are gonna have full fields and um lots of runners.
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I mean, you're looking at your Warwick novices over 2-5, 2-3, and your Newbury's over, you know, two miles, and I think you're gonna have you know two divisions possibly, and um it should make for competitive racing, and and that will lead to uh the better horses coming through.
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Going back to the um going back to the student, have you um have you got many young new like many new recruits from last year?
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And do any of them um stand out at the moment?
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We've got a few nice we well from the back end of last season, we you know we've got some nice bumper horses going forward.
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Um, you know, well-bred horses, and we also were quite effective in using those uh junior national hunt maiden hurdles as well last year, which means even if they win those, they're still novices for this year.
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Um, and yet they've got the experience under themselves.
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So yeah, we've got plenty of horses who are you know there or thereabouts and and will know their job going into this season.
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How much do you know, Nikola, when you go in early doors?
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How much of it is well, this was a nice horse last season, he's gonna come on a little bit, he's a bit unfit.
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Uh do you do you ever get on horse and go, Jesus Christ, he's feeling well?
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Uh as soon as you start jumping them, you know straight away, you know, if they're gonna have have anything about them, really.
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Um you can tell a class horse, and Daryl will tell you himself, you know, as soon as they show that they're athletic and and they can do it, then um that puts a smile on your face straight away.
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Doesn't it, Daryl?
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We like them when they go in and dance, don't we, Nico?
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Oh, we do, yeah.
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Yeah, I tell you, Frankie, we used to I used to me and Nico used to do an awful lot of schooling, obviously, together in seven burrows.
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Um, and obviously Nico is uh you know stable jockey and he's a senior, and all the young lads coming in behind them, they have to mold into Nico's way of getting the horses schooled up and and and jumping.
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And me and Nico, whenever we had it together, we were just it was spot on, wasn't it, Nico?
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We're upside, we educated both the horses lovely, and it was lovely.
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And then every now and again, uh you'll hear Nico screaming across the schooling yard at one of the young lads going up there where they've gone too fast, or a horse is stepping at hurdle, and then you just you just get Nico.
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He doesn't lose his ranks very much, but God, it is funny when he does lose it.
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In fairness, I can see that.
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I'm not sure I'd like I'm not sure I'd like to take a bullet thing off you, Nico, on a bad day.
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Well, and the thing is, you know, you you can look at it like that, but Barry Garretti, you know, who was my sort of mentor and the guy I came uh behind, and he would always say, you know, don't worry about you know what what the young lads do on those horses, because do you know what it makes the horses learn for themselves, and yeah, there's an element of truth in that.
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But at the same time, you know, if you want to see these young lads coming through and coming forward, then they've got to learn to do things the right way and teach these horses the correct way.
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Right, I hate to do this to you.
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It won't be a whole another year of talking about Constitution Hill, or maybe you don't mind talking about him still, but obviously, as we're recording this, he has just run over the weekend.
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Um, the horse that is in all the headlines, he actually has which I which is amazing and brilliant in some ways.
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He has his own section on the racing post where you can go into international news, jumps news, Britain news.
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There is a Constitution Hill page because he picked up all the headlines.
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I was I was doing a bit of research before because my initial thoughts was has any horse done this in the past?
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Have we had champion hurdle winners that have won group races on the flat?
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And there are a couple of examples.
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Um both horses, I wasn't actually alive when they won the champion hurdle, but the pair of you were, and you probably remember them.
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Um, one being older Brook, obviously, who everyone knows.
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Yeah, won a couple of group races in France.
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And the other was a horse called Royal Gate.
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Um won a group race at age four, champion hurdle at age nine.
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So same age as Constitution Hill.
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That was in 1992.
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So that's been horses in the past that have done groups.
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Yeah, but not the other way around.
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Not the other way round.
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So that's where he's unique.
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He's done that jumping first, and now he's an old boy on the flat competing against the Yankees.
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What did you make of his performance?
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I thought it was credible.
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I thought it was a great run.
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I mean, he's been off for the summer, he's had his break, and the trouble is the media hype of it all, you know, they all want it to be uh you know, we're going to the Breeders' Club Classic or something like that, you know.
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And um, you know, when it doesn't quite sort of pay off like that.
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I I thought he travelled into the race fantastic, looked like he was going to go and go through with it, and then he's probably just taken a blow at the at the furlong pole, which you can forgive because he's been off in the he's had his break and he hasn't been running like the other horses.
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Well you you would know as well as I would, Nick, with with uh the way Nikki trains the horses, um, and and and he gallops him up up his gallop.
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His gallop is a brilliant gallop, isn't it?
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And it gets him like so fit, but it's when the real core fitness comes on into Nikki's horses, is when they start getting up the grass, isn't it?
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And that's the but they just they just jump to another level of fitness when they start working up the grass.
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And I'm the same as you.
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I I thought he ran very, very credible.
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I was always a great believer, and well, I'm not a believer, but I was always in my mind, I always thought, you know, with the Nikki's gallop and and with the lack of being up on the grass and being on grass himself for the layoff des just the way Nikki trains his horses.
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I was always thinking that he was always going to need a run after a layoff.
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Yeah, well, exactly.
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I mean, let's see what the handicapper does tomorrow.
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But if he doesn't put him up seven pounds, you know, I'd be surprised.
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So there'd be some nice handicaps in him.
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Like on the back end of the year, if he gets a sensible handicap, Mark, there's actually some really, really attractable races for him.
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Like uh in Ireland, you know, there's obviously ground is softer over in Ireland at the moment.
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So like he's he's still got time, hasn't he?
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He certainly has.
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You know, there are so many opportunities for him.
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Um, you know, you're gonna jump you're gonna jump a fence on him then, aren't you, in November time, December time?
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No, you can come and do that, Darryl.
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You know, he's still he's still nine, and and he's he's lightly raised on the on the face of it.
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Um so I still think there's plenty more to come.
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And and you know, some people are clamoring for him to retire, but what's he gonna do?
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Go and sit in he's still got half his life to live, if not more.
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And what you're gonna sit in a paddock and get bored?
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I don't think he'd be up for that.
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So, and and as we've seen this week, you know, anything can happen in a paddock.
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So right now, he's got you know the life of luxury where he is, he he's so well looked after, like all the horses are, um, and he's enjoying his racing.
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I mean, I thought he was he was you know loving being out there on on Saturday, and um, yeah, it's just I I guess the hype slightly leads to a bit of deflation, but um, you know, on the bare face of it, I was very happy with him.
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Look, if you look at True Sham, Frankie, for example, the way he was campaigned by by Alan King.
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I mean, he's had a remarkable um career like and and like you say, you can um train Constitution Hill like them, like what Alan King did at True Sham.
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There is plenty of early season races, you get him out early.
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Yes, during the the real fast ground during the summer, you don't have to run them, and then through the end of the season, the back end, there's plenty of big pots for him to still run in.
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Okay, you kind of you kind of both answered it then, but in a in a sort of word or a or a sentence or two, what are your hopes for him?
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Not necessarily he needs to win this race, but what would you just like to see from him over the next couple of years?
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Continue racing.
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Yeah.
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Enjoying.
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I like to see the horse out there.
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I like to see the horse enjoying his racing.
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And look, he's gonna win his races.
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He he's not gonna be, I can't see him ever being uh being a group one horse or or anything like that, but I can see them be to a high level group two, group three, a top handicapper, and from there, from from there you you get to travel and you get to run in some decent races anyway.
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It's not as if we're talking about a horse that's gonna be rated, you know, 75-80 on the flat.
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Then it's you know what I mean.
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You're you're stuck to all weather and that sort of stuff.
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But he is he's still gonna be he'll still run to a very decent level, wouldn't he, Nico?
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Oh, very much so.
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And if you think if you go to a yearling sale and you say this horse will be rated over 100, I mean they'd be going for fortunes in the sales ring.
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So let's let's enjoy him whilst he's here.
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And um, you know, he's gonna win some nice races, and he's got such a fan base, and it's just great to see a horse out there enjoying himself.
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My hope would be one big festival win.
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I think that'd be awesome.
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Just a packed York or a you know, a big handicap somewhere, a full field rather than the although it's nice to get people to Kempton, but uh a big summer festival would be awesome.
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Anyway, he keeps us talking, and yeah, I think you both nailed it.
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Keep enjoying his racing, and we can keep enjoying watching him whilst he's still able to race.
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Quick bar from the fans, then.
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Um, just a couple of questions, some of which you can answer together, some of which be well, no, I'm sure you can both answer all of them.
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Who's the best horse you've sat on this summer, the classic to kick us off?
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You never get escaped from that question.
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Yes.
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Oh gosh, well, I haven't ridden this summer, so probably one of my ponies.
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They're all for sale.
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Well, it counts if you ride them at the gallops.
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It counts if you sit on them at the gallops.
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No, no, just ponies I've ridden this summer.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well, we know where Nico stands on how much information he's willing to dive.
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I'll give information when there's information to give.
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Nico, how's um how's our jump?
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Have you jumped our jump yet that you showed me around the school?
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Have you jumped any of the ponies over your jump or not?
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So I've jumped, yeah, I've jumped all those hedges, but that big one, I'm actually nervous.
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It's it's big, isn't it?
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It is big, Daryl.
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Not a chance when you get me jumping on anyway.
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Yeah, I'm gonna lead you over it one day.
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Yeah.
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You won't, not a chance.
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Not a chance.
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Daryl, Zachary Bang.
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Uh yeah, I mean, look at I mean he's the highlight uh for me for sure.
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Um again, I'm a bit like um Nico.
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I haven't um I haven't sat sat on a lot of horses um obviously over the summertime, but uh from next week onwards now I'm going I'm going to Ireland uh tonight.
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So I'm gonna sit in on a lot of our horses now for the next week over in Ireland.
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So uh whenever we do the podcast uh next week, hopefully I've sat on some nice horses and I can report back then, Frankie.
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Sounds good.
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Report back you will, Daryl.
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Which current jump jockey would make the best trainer?
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Which what between me and Nico?
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No, no, no.
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Anyone in the way current current jump jockey would make the best trainer.
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Um I think Keelan Woods would do a good job, you know.
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Okay.
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Why is he?
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I don't know, it just I I he's got a great way with horses, he's got a great understanding with horses.
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He's very, very good at breaking in horses and and and pre-training horses.
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He's got the pre-training setup, hasn't he?
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Yeah, but also he's if you ever listen to him on his debrief whenever he comes back, he knows quite a lot about races and he he he understands what he feels of a level of horse that he has, and he's actually very good at placing them, like telling on his feedback where to to place a horse next to his best advantage.
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Um, I I think I think Keelan Woods would be a very good um, yeah.
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Okay, Nico.
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Uh probably uh John Burke.
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I think it'd be it'd be very good, yeah.
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He'll be off commentating, he's got no chance in training horses.
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He'll be off doing his commentating.
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He's good at the commentary.
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He is very good at the commentary.
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Maybe, yeah, maybe he'll be doing that instead.
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Yeah, he might train a couple on the side, you never know.
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Okay, Johnny Burke, a couple of horses on the side.
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Okay, this can be my favorite part of the show.
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Um, once a week I get to put an idea to the pair of you, and you tell me if I'm talking absolute nonsense or if it's got some legs.
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Frank, you do you always talk nonsense, so this is going to be new, isn't it?
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Off to a great start.
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I haven't even got my idea right yet.
00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.359
Um so jump season's coming up.
00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.920
I don't think we're gonna get these changes made um this quickly, but you're the same.
00:20:53.920 --> 00:21:00.640
Well, actually, they probably don't ask you, uh Daryl being a jump structure for most of your life, but I always get asked, are you a jumps man, are you a flat man?
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What do you prefer?
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Why do you prefer X, Y, whatever?
00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:08.960
And the argument for the flat is always that there's a little bit more of a campaign to follow with the three classics.
00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:12.559
You have the two-year-olds coming through, you have Ascot mid-season, you have festivals end season.
00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:21.039
It seems a little bit more chronological to me in some ways and a bit more consistent in terms of how things pop up throughout the season, keep you interested.
00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:26.720
Jumps were guilty of heavily leaning towards um Countham and Anche at the back end of the season.
00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:37.440
Wild suggestion why to get some some focus this side of Christmas, why can't we have like a jumps racing triple crown or something like that?
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:45.359
Can't there be a staged series that is one pre Christmas, one new year, one uh springtime?
00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.319
What do we reckon?
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The jumps triple crown, the champion chase triple crown.
00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:56.559
Well, you you used to have that with the with the Bet Fair Chase, the um King George, and then the gold cut, wasn't it, Darrell?
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:57.440
Yeah, they did, yeah.
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.039
Um QCard was the famous one.
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Remember, he was gold.
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For he'd what he'd won the Bet Fair, won the King George, and he was going for that.
00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.799
Um for the Gold Cup, and he fell in the Gold Cup that yeah.
00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.720
What was it, a million quid bonus, something like that?
00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:09.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:20.000
Yeah, but I but I I I must admit, Frankie, I I agree with you is in the fact that we are very, very much Cheltenham, everything's geared up to Cheltenham the whole season.
00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:31.279
Um, I do like it in Ireland where they have these festivals like you've got um at Leopertstown and you've got Fairy House, you've got a lot of festivals leading up to Cheltenham.
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:42.880
And I do feel that at times that it just rolls on, and then we see horses that you know win at Sandown, they win at Newbury, and then all of a sudden they're all talked about um as in Cheltenham horses.
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:51.119
I would love to I me personally again, I would love to see um uh a decent sort of uh festival campaign around it.
00:22:51.119 --> 00:23:03.359
And I know obviously it's very, very difficult to do because obviously between the Christmas, um, you know, Chris Christmas uh Boxing Day and New Year's Day, there is a lot of racing on between them.
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:09.359
So trying to fit in big festivals or a festival before them, I suppose, is is going to be a little bit difficult.
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:17.519
But I do think I do think we are missing something before Christmas in the middle part of the season, say from September to this the end of December.
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:24.079
I do think we're missing uh a big sort of a festival there that could fit in nicely there.
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:24.799
What do you think about it?
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:27.279
Which is very big.
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We have Christmas meeting.
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I'm thinking more for the horse, you know, especially the the classics.
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.319
We have the champion three-year-old.
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:40.400
We have it's done less and less now, in fairness, but your Guinea's winners, who's then gonna kick on um and go and win the derby ledger.
00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:42.880
Okay, it's not really thought about as a triple anymore.
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:58.640
But you know, even like a champion novice, you get all these bumper horses coming through, who's gonna string together a sentence of grade one wins through the next season, which are tied together somehow, rather than yes, you have the luxury of choosing your races, don't you?
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:02.480
Whereas the guineas, you have to run in the guineas, the derby you have to run in the derby.
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:11.200
They are the tests of the best three-year-old for that year, whereas you could run it in a grade one up north, or you could run in a grade one down south, you could pick your battles a bit differently over jumps.
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.799
Just how could we tie a seasonal target together?
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:25.519
But the the difference is, I suppose, if we're gonna get really boring about it, is that uh the three-year-olds, it's their stallion-making box and tools, and it's all business, really.
00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.759
Um, whereas it's a bit different for us.
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:29.440
I've got my Colmore cap on, actually.
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.359
Well, I saw that I did see that.
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So uh yeah.
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I'm trying to try and raise my stallion profile.
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:36.799
I can see that, yeah.
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.279
Yeah, first season fire as well.
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:43.119
Like yeah, I guess so.
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:43.599
I guess so.
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:50.799
Well, I mean, we can't uh my only the only my the the thought came because I read a Racing Post article about Gordon Elliott's stars coming back in.
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:56.079
I thought, oh click on this and and a bit of interest in what the likes uh you know the bright days ahead, etc.
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:56.640
doing.
00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:01.039
And within the first two lines, there was quotes of prices for Cheltenham.
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.359
And it's like, oh come on, that's miles away.
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.400
Don't give me a you know 14 to 1 for the Ryanair.
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:15.759
I want to know what I've ever got more of, like in Ireland, like we'll just say, for example, like we have like Constitution Hill.
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.200
In England, we can dodge the bullet an awful lot easier.
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:26.000
Where in Ireland you do have like your your your top graded horses, your grade ones, your statements, and brighter days in it.
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.160
There is that bit of a pattern leading to the champion earl.
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.920
Whereas over here, like well, I think we have it.
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:40.160
Is it the Kingwell or and and the Kingwell and uh the the race at Hadock, they're within three weeks of each other.
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:54.640
Like you you you can sort of dodge the bullets a little bit over here, which I I would rather the good horses they've got to become a bit like in what they do in Ireland, they have to come because the pattern of them races they can only run in them races.
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.480
And I just find at times over here we can dodge all them bullets.
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:06.799
Yeah, maybe we shift prize man into smaller races, so there's big pots for a couple of races throughout the season.
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:07.920
That'd be quite cool.
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.759
Million quid rates three times.
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.559
Well, at the end of the day, that's what's down to isn't it?
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:13.440
It's surprise money.
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:18.720
I mean, the the fight and fit in Newcastle is is worth uh quite a lot of money.
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:25.119
Whereas you got the you know, some of the the other the grade two trials, they're not worth as much money, and that's why they don't attract it.
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.880
What was the grade one at Sandown?
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:34.079
Um, that they used to have uh Nico was I won a couple of times, it was only like uh 17,000 to the winner.
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:39.920
Like it wasn't you know the toller, the taller, yes, the toll, like again, things like that.
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:46.799
You know, if if you want to bring them to the elite to bring them to the where they you you've got to have decent prize money for that, haven't you, Nico?
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.599
Of course, he justifies his status as a great.
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:58.480
I think if you if you look at what happened in the summer with some goddess winning the sales race up at York, if the prize money is put on, then you will get the good horses.
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:00.400
It's just a fact of it.
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:12.160
Um, you know, you look at you look at these early races in in uh United States, and you've got good horses going out there at Far Hills to go and try and win the American Grand National just because it's seriously good prize money.
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.319
And why wouldn't if you have the horse?
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.079
Yeah, you're right.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.039
Need the cash.
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.079
Nico, what big pot are you gonna win this side of Christmas?
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.920
Oh I I don't know.
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:24.720
I I don't know.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.839
I'll just do my best.
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.759
I'm I'm here to enjoy it and enjoy the horses and uh yeah, I don't know.
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.240
I don't know.
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.519
It's still early days, isn't it?
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:32.319
It's still early days.
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.400
Um, right to finish up.
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.680
I wouldn't say that too loud.
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.599
I'm not into that kind of thing, you know.
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.920
I'll leave that to you and Daryl.
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.720
Frankie, you're not quite right there, you are ridiculous.
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:49.200
I don't know.
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.160
I don't know if Frankie would last that long in the wearing room, I have to say.
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.000
I think he might be in the corner park.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:58.720
Oh god, I'd just be in the corner like making my mind and there's on your son lounger.
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.319
I'll be flying over there like that.
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:06.240
I had a good one yesterday.
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.319
I just gotta tell a little story after yesterday.
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.400
So I had my first ride back, right?
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.000
And obviously, you know, I like to wind a few people up.
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:19.680
And Brendan Powell went and won it, and there were loads of kids and loads of people there at Fontwell.
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:28.960
And one of the things that uh jockeys only usually have like a few pairs of goggles, and usually only one whip, because whips are actually really expensive.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:36.000
And so I did a few of the autographs and photographs, and there's a big gaggle of uh kids there, and I was like, Do you know what would be really good?
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:42.160
When you ask the winner, Brendan Powell, please, please ask him for his goggles and his whip.
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:50.000
And he came back in and he said, I've just been asked by about 25 kids for goggles and my whip.
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.960
And he couldn't say no.
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:53.759
Did he give him to me?
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.559
He couldn't say no.
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:58.160
So he went into his bag, found all his old goggles, and that went out the front again.
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.359
How much does a whip cost out of interest?
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.440
About 45 quid, isn't it, Daryl?
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:08.559
We want to be handing them out every weekend.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.759
No, that's what you did.
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:11.440
You don't want to drop it either.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:18.319
No, did James did James Bone go out and get his whip yesterday that he dropped, by the way?
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.200
He got it quite swiftly, yeah.
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.720
Some of them could run it back, yeah.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.079
Tight Welshman.
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.839
You don't miss a trick.
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:27.119
You don't miss a trick, Darryl.
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:27.839
Oh, sure.
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.039
Have you got any memories of dropping the whip on a good horse?
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:42.559
Um did I I think when Lamy no, did I yeah, I think I think I might have dropped it on Lamy Serge when he won the French champion hurdle.
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:50.720
I think I might have to I have dropped the whip plenty of times, alright.
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:50.960
Yeah.
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:57.759
It must be the worst when you know you've done it and and the commentator or the presenter just gets stuck in on the replays.
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.160
That must the slow-mo's that must be the killer.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.599
Uh it is quite funny watching someone else do it, mind.
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.359
Just not yourself.
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:06.960
I I did it actually.
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:13.119
There's a good uh bit of slow-mo of Sam Whaley Cohen, his wit flying out, and he actually caught it mid-air.
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.200
That was on the punch done.
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:17.599
Yeah.
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.839
What are you up to, Dar?
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:20.960
What's coming up today?
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:29.680
Um, I am going to just get myself ready now here to head and get ready for the boat and head back to Orlando, back to the native land, Frankie.
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.480
Oh, yeah.
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.519
I'll see you there this weekend.
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.640
Irish Champions Festival.
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.920
Oh, the Irish Champions Weekend.
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.599
I'm actually, I don't think I'm over there on Saturday.
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.440
Um, great.
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.079
That's a great weekend, that Irish Champions Weekend, isn't it?
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:40.559
Brilliant.
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.079
I'm looking forward to it.
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:42.559
Saturday morning.
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.319
I'm flying in and then back out Sunday.
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:44.799
Yeah.
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:45.839
What are you saying?
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.960
Are you saying another one of your posh hotels that you're doing?
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.519
You can't say that because then he might get all his stalkers out there.
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.160
All two of them.
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.279
All these women, all these women out the front door.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.759
Yeah.
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.599
Just when are you writing next time?
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:11.119
Where you're saying when you go to Beverly Ladies Day, then you say um when are you when are you racing next, Nicole?
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.119
I don't know when I'm racing next tonight.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:14.000
Are you hitting?
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.400
I suppose you're gonna hit the gym after this, are you?
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:16.960
You know what?
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.160
I'm in the gym all the time.
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.680
You know, yeah.
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:20.799
I do actually look it.
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.200
Like Sean Bowen could not believe it yesterday.
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:23.759
Yeah.
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.599
Yeah, but you're intimidated by just the look of you.
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.880
I'm sure.
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:29.839
I'm sure.
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.000
I got three of all my abs.
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:32.720
Yeah.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.680
Pull up uh all all your fan favors, your viewers, Sean.
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.599
Give us a look at your six pack there, Nico.
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:40.559
No, no, no.
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.160
I'd knock a few people out.
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:43.599
Like, yeah, no.
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.680
Um on it on it on the separate, you mentioned Sean Bourne.
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.039
I think that's going to be an interesting him and Harry Skelton this year, isn't it?
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.160
It's going to be an interesting season for both of them, isn't it, with the jockey championship?
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.920
Yeah, but I think um I think Dan's really got the bit between his teeth, doesn't he, this year?
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.200
I think it'd be I think it'd be really difficult for Sean, won't it?
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.079
It will be.
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.839
I mean, this Operation 244, that's what it is, isn't it?
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.480
And um well, that's what it is.
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.319
Operation 244.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.839
They'll be getting the challenge for the double, won't they, really?
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.200
That's what they want.
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:20.079
I don't know.
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.119
All they want is if the double comes, it doesn't matter.
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:24.720
They just want that that number.
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.480
That Mountain Pipes number.
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:27.920
Yeah, that is what they want.
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.559
And you know, that I'm afraid that will just make Harry champion.
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.960
But that but they're they're just full of it, aren't they?
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.680
They're they're loving it.
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:36.880
Harry's riding well.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:49.119
You know, I'm not saying that Sean isn't riding well, but you know, ultimately you need the ammunition, and Dan's just got so much firepower there, and um, he's got an amazing team behind him, so yeah.
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.240
You might put you might come in for a few spare rides for Dan this year, will you?
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.759
I do, I ride the odd one for you.
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.079
Yeah, you do ride the odd one for a yeah, yeah.
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:57.759
I might have to go and ride out there.
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:58.480
Yeah.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:04.640
You look like a young man in the name of competition.
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.119
Um who I wouldn't be able to ride for.
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:09.519
No.
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.319
No.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.160
Everyone's everyone's very, very friendly in our in our sport, aren't they?
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.400
Um no.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:27.200
I mean, you you're everyone's got their affiliated with their own yards, and it's very hard to break into um, you know, once those those bonds are sort of made, it's very hard to break into places.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.960
So um, but yeah, no, everyone, everyone's you know, very hard.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.880
I mean, Harry riding, was it Harry riding for Nichols in the national was a perfect case, wasn't it?
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:41.519
Where if he'd have rode the national winner, he might have nudged Nichols titre in the champ trainers' champions, something like that anyway.
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.240
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.839
But don't forget, Harry used to be his um Paul's conditional.
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.160
So you know, he started out there.
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:52.000
Um yeah, I just I've just never left my stable.
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.200
Loyal man.
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.680
You went you went there when you were 16, didn't you?
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.039
No, I was in school at 16, Darrell, like most people should be.
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.400
No, but you know you stayed out there at the weekends and stuff like that.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.200
I'm su no.
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.119
19?
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:08.320
Oh, was I?
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.840
Okay.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.800
What would you have been if you weren't a jockey, Nicker?
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.679
What were you on route for qualifications, guys?
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.199
Um probably something really boring.
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:19.840
I don't know.
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:20.400
I don't know.
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:26.960
No, probably something boring, but I'd probably be in rehab by now, so yeah.
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.440
Well, uh okay, that's the end of the show.
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.440
Jens, thanks very much.
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.800
I'm conscious of time, so I don't want to um keep us jabbering on for long.
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But we'll try and keep it tight over the next couple of weeks with what we're what's in the news, what the fans are saying, my mad ideas, and then obviously what's coming up racing wise when we get into the thick of the jump season, and of course, all the stories from the pair of you.
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And your lives, which are far more interesting than mine in and out of the weighing room.
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Thanks again.
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Dude, Frankie.
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We'll look forward to next week.
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We'll we'll plan in my first riding lesson down.
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That'd be great.
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We'll get you down to uh to seven barrows one one day, and then we'll all go riding up the galaxy together.
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How cool would that be?
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Nico Constitution Hill, you and John Bond, and me me on the I don't know, one of Sarah's kids' ponies or something.
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We get to that point, we're doing well, lads.
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Right.
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Love y'all.
