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What are you eating, Jake?
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Are you gonna share?
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It's cereal and goldfish.
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Yeah.
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It's dry cereal and goldfish.
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Thank you for that root response.
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You ruined cereal.
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No.
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I didn't ruin anything.
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I know what I'm doing.
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What kind of cereal?
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I got it from Costco today.
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I've never had it before.
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It's like it's actually like almost like more like trail mix.
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There's like different kinds of like cereal almonds and stuff like that.
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That is something that a four-year-old would do.
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The goldfish because like goldfish does look like cereal.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's like I think cheese can basically just enhance anything.
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I don't think that cheese should be in cake.
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Right.
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Except, of course, for cheese cake.
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I think it could I should think that it should only be savory.
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Like cheese should only be savory.
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Like cream cheese should only be like on an everything bagel.
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Well, no, you could put cream cheese on like a cinnamon raisin bagel, and that would be totally acceptable.
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Oh, cinnamon raisin, I forgot about that one.
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I haven't thought about cinnamon raisin and cream cheese and jelly, the best.
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Cream cheese and jelly on matza.
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I mean, yeah, what are we doing here?
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So yes, I think cheese can cheese or something.
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And I stand by it.
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You want to hear what some of Abby's relatives do with a bagel, and then everyone can decide if this is grosser than what Jake does with his cereal.
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Bagel, cream cheese, jelly, locks.
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Oh, that sounds awful.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, locks is just a no-go for me.
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I know, I know, but imagine you were someone who likes locks.
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And now imagine I like all of those things.
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Jelly, I know.
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I don't like locks.
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No, no, the locks is fine, but the jelly and the locks, that's a no-go.
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Yeah.
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It's a horrible idea.
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Unless it's like a chutney or something like that, you know, like uh Chutney.
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Very fancy.
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Even if Adam is very fancy with his boots.
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Does fish, does fish is fishing and chutney?
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Like, can there be fish chutney?
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I think you can make anything a chutney if you wanted.
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You can chut anything.
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Yeah, you can chut anything.
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Yeah, like you can shut the fuck up.
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Okay, so I had I made a claim on our Holocaust episode.
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I sort of derailed the Holocaust episode.
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That's a great statement.
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I made a claim on our Holocaust episode.
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That it didn't happen.
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That's too soon, Josh.
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It's too soon.
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I made a claim that that I seriously think that no one in our grade did not like me.
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What are your thoughts on that first of all?
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Just first blush.
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Okay, so I have heard this previously.
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And I gave Adam, I think, some pretty good answers.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah, let's hear it.
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Oh, you gave me a position.
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Oh yeah, yeah, we did talk about this.
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I did.
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Because we and we had kind of thought of similar people, actually.
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So because at first I was like, yeah, most people like Josh.
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Like it was like, you weren't like a controversial figure.
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But then I was like, I don't know.
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Are you gonna have to bleep it?
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Mm-hmm.
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Like a s he doesn't like anybody.
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Right.
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I I went, he invited me to some birthday party, I remember.
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Oh my gosh, I haven't thought of him that name in so long.
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I hadn't either, and that is what came to mind.
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I forget who else I said.
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You I think the other person, which I think we said also at some point, wasn't we thought.
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Again, another person.
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Yeah, like they only liked each other.
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I RL.
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If that.
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I don't remember why.
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I remember I'm sorry if I'm bringing up a bad memory, but I remember he made you cry once, and I really did not like him after that.
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So made me cry.
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Yes.
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I don't know what he said to you.
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Like growing up in high school, like how old?
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Yeah, yeah, in high school.
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Oh god, I don't know.
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High school.
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I remember I remember it very clearly.
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I remember you were you were sitting in like your mom's car crying, and um you told me Josh Carson made you cry.
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And but then you didn't tell me like you didn't elaborate, and I was probably too scared to ask you what happened.
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I mean, look, I will say it doesn't take much to make me cry.
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Definitely not that.
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So like, you know.
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I was one of many culprits.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean, you're also not, you're just saying people who are kind of hateful, I would say, but you're not really like saying like why.
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But you're all well, yes, they were just they didn't like anyone, they didn't like the school, and you also were someone who like was very you were very happy, you could get along with everyone.
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You like, and so I could see them being like resentful.
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This has been the ongoing theory of that life.
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That is the key theory.
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The the the ongoing theory that I think me, Jake, and Adam all share is that chances are a person like that, you know, I passed them in the hallway, went, hey buddy, how's it going?
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And then I just kept walking.
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All right, so I'll I'd say that theory is still um like that's the predominant theory.
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It prevails.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So everyone liked me.
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Okay, so we started a hotline for people to anonymously call in, though.
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To leave like a tip to see if anyone had like kind of ju like any sort of gossip or rumors or whatever or direct.
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How do people sorry to interrupt, but how do people find out about said hotline?
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We plugged it on the Holocaust episode.
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Did anyone call into this hotline?
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We got one call a few days ago.
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Oh, yeah, and I haven't listened to it yet.
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So I don't believe that.
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Really?
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I'm not gonna believe that, but no, I wait.
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That I haven't listened to it yet?
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It's just I just love the I love the sheer like just why do you not believe it?
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Tenacious response from Harry.
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Just like fuck you and your and your carrie and I are similar in this.
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If somebody was calling in to bitch about us, somebody that hated us, we would have to listen to that immediately.
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How would you not listen?
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Okay.
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But I want to see the thing is he's being a producer.
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Yeah, I'm always thinking about the show.
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I want to get my live reaction on the show.
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Like to waste to waste that on a so I heard a rumor that a kid from another grade had come to you asking if you'd help him make a short movie to impress a girl that he liked, and that you had said yes, and then the day that you were supposed to help him at some location, the kid showed up and waited for like two hours and you never showed.
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Did you do something to that?
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Like, did you first of all?
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That sounds strikingly like Josh.
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I'm so glad you said it.
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I didn't want to be the one to say it, but that was definitely Josh.
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Yeah, that would be Josh.
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That would actually be insane if you did that.
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I swear it wasn't me.
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It would not be insane.
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You set things up on this podcast all the time, first of all.
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But I swear it wasn't me.
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That would be crazy.
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Did you guys do something like around?
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You're saying you didn't run that through a garbler now.
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That was that was the voice.
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I mean, it's someone was make doing a voice.
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It almost clearly you to hide their voice.
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Yeah, but I swear that wasn't me.
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Josh, that would be an insane twist.
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Should we listen to it again?
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I don't know if I can.
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Yeah, I actually don't feel like I got it.
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You promised some kid to help him with a video and he wouldn't check and never showed up.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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There's actually a transcript here.
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I can just read that so that I'm going to do that.
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Okay.
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Oh.
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Okay, so it says, so I heard a rumor that a kid from another grade had come to you asking if you'd help him make a short movie to impress a girl that he liked, and that you had said yes, and then the day that you were supposed to help him at some location, the kids showed up.
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The kid I I guess that's like other people who are helping him.
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I thought he was like a kid, like it was a younger kid.
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Yeah, like an under underclassman.
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And waited for like two hours and you never showed.
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Do you have any recollection of this?
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I mean, it sounds like something, honestly, that I would have done.
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I don't remember that.
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Well, also, how would you remember if you because you didn't show?
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So, like, what what would there be to remember?
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No, you can remember like a kid.
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I remember blowing when said, like, who helped me make this video to impress a girl?
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I would remember that.
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That's true.
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And was there and was there an approach?
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Is interesting.
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But wait, this person said, I heard a rumor that, right?
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This isn't uh this is like third third day or something.
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It might not even be true.
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But it sounds believable.
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Yeah, well, he didn't even say, he just said like something potentially shitty that you did, but he never said, like, what's the what are you supposed to do to work with that?
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It wasn't like, oh yeah, it's good.
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I think you should give a public apology to said person.
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All we asked was that was did someone not like Josh?
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Right, so they didn't answer that question.
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They didn't really answer that question.
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I guess they didn't explicitly.
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There is a infer that might hate Josh.
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But here's the thing.
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My claim was no one in my grade, right?
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Oh, that's true.
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That was your that is true.
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So last episode we were talking about prom.
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Really, we were talking about ESPN zone.
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That's actually what we were talking about.
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Because oh, here was big reactions.
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Whoa.
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No, it's not Carrie.
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No, yeah.
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We forgot.
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Maybe we talked about ESPN zone and like really nostalgic memory.
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I love that.
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Do you remember anything specific about ESPN zone, Carrie?
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Anything that's yeah, like you go in, you go down and there were like all these big chairs with the screen.
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That's all I remember, really.
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That's all I think.
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Do you remember during your screens?
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Yeah.
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It was a there was it would play a movie.
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What movie?
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What what movie was playing on the screens during your claim I made?
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You were in it, Gary.
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During our prom no during your senior prom.
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I have a memory that's been confirmed by a few people.
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Was it our senior movie?
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Yes.
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That makes sense.
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That makes sense.
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So I was just the episode started off by me saying how much I loved ESPN zone.
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And when we had our senior and junior prom there, it's like very not cool to like be excited about going there after prom.
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Because I would imagine everyone just wanted to go to like Zach Alters or something afterwards, or something akin to that, like some sort of house party.
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But I was like psyched.
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And I was telling Adam and Jake how much I love DSPN Zone.
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And then Jake said he had a terrible time at ESPN Zone, and he only he only associates it with terrible, terrible.
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Yeah.
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100% it's not.
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I don't know.
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Do you want me to keep talking, Jake?
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Or do you want to continue?
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No, no, no, no.
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All right, well, stop me if I get anything like inaccurately.
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Now, Carrie, I don't think you're involved in the story, but I know Ariel is.
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No.
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I mean, I was I think I witnessed some of it.
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Involved a character in the story?
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Like if this like it's not a big thing.
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I mean, characters in it, but they were both present.
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So but they're but okay, so here's what I the if this was a movie, Jake.
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Yeah.
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And we're filming like the scene where you get left, you know, you get ditched.
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Yeah.
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Is are how in focus is Ariel like in that scene?
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I guess as like Jessica like walks away and is with other people.
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It rack focuses to a whole group that's a good thing.
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Rack focus into a whole that Adam couldn't have said it better.
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Rack focus, entire group of people, RL's in that group.
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Um so Jake was gonna go to prom or yeah, was gonna go to prom with did so and then upon arrival, he realized that it was all sort of a ruse and he was just sort of a vessel to get to the.
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I think I like pretty clearly explained last night that this is not.
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We said we said it cut me off if I'm getting anything inaccurate.
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I mean we said that we said that wasn't what we thought the last last night we said that wasn't the case.
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I think we c yeah, I think we cleared it up.
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Go ahead.
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R Ariel, what's your perspective on it?
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Uh, because now you understand what the general concept of this is, but like what do you think?
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Are you confused?
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Because we we haven't done a you you're thinking that so went to prom with Jake.
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We went to prom together, a bunch of girls from y'all's grade were there as well.
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And like early into the promise.
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Five of you.
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Five, five.
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Five, I think, is a slew.
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And then I think J ended up like pretty quickly, like, gravitating towards like the the girls, and I I didn't spend any time with her at prom and at ESPN zone as well.
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That's my memory.
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I think it was gonna be like a date.
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Probably.
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No, not probably.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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Because like I could see it being a group date.
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Like, we did all go with like guys that were friends with each other.
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That the guys were friends with each other?
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I don't remember who Tova went.
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Well, you're saying that the girl I know like me and Julie went with you, Josh, and Craig.
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Right, but you and Craig were dating.
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Yeah, but like we all three of us were friends, and we went with three guys that were friends.
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So like we could have all hung out together.
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Like that would have been normal.
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But Jake doesn't remember that.
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I don't remember.
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That I definitely do not remember.
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Yeah.
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Can I tell you my theory on what happened?
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I'd love to hear it.
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I think this is I wasn't there, so it's all just knowing Jake back then.
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And I didn't even know him back then.
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I knew him like this true.
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There's a lot of there's a lot of retroactive, yeah.
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Yeah, there's a lot of inference and kind of detective work here on Josh's part.
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But just knowing how sensitive Jake was, you know, at age 20, I can only imagine it was more sensitive back then.
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As everyone is, typically.
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I feel like he had pretty ambitious ideas of what was gonna happen at that at during prom.
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And once he saw he wasn't gonna be the only one exclusively hanging out with, he retreated.
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Ding, ding, ding, ding.
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On the money, exactly what happened.
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He could have hung out with her in the group.
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He felt isolated when he realized like it wasn't going the way he planned.
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Totally clear.
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But here's my question.
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Hold on.
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Are you saying that because that is what I would do?
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Or are you saying that because that is actually what happened?
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Because I don't think those are the same thing.
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Me?
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I'm saying it was exactly what happened.
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Like that is remembering how I remember the night.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Then I then Josh.
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I was not there, but I could imagine that that would be the scenario.
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Because I do remember you kind of like saying you were upset with her, and uh me being like, why are you upset?
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And you being like, because she's mad at me or she doesn't want to hang out with me.
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And I was like, What do you mean she doesn't want to like she's right here?
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Like, what are you talking about?
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Oh, I don't remember that conversation at all.
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There you go.
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Okay.
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Wow, what a breakthrough.
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I know, seriously.
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We're we're we're knocking down walls.
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Now, great.
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It's just me and Ariel.
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I'm wondering if that was enough to convince you that this is what happened.
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Uh sure.
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I mean, if Ariel's saying it like it actually happened, like she has an actual core memory of that happening.
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That was so exciting.
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I wouldn't call it a poor formative memory.
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But like if somebody was like, okay, what happened with Jessica and Jake at prom, that's almost exactly what I would have told that.
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You said you're saying, like, if another person had asked.
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Yeah, if somebody was just like, what happened and didn't like give their opinion, I would have been like, oh yeah, there was some tension.
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I think like he wanted like to hang out with her a lot and didn't feel like she wanted to, but like really she was like, I think she would have hung out, like I don't I think you're right.
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She didn't necessarily want to hang out with you romantically, but she would have hung out with you and spent time with you in like a group with everyone.
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Sure.
00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:43.599
Now here's my next question.
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Do you think that that was made explicitly clear to Jake that it wasn't romantic?
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Long pause.
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Yeah, but it's a good pause.
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I mean, like you invite someone to prom, you invite someone on a date, you hope, but I mean there's no, I'm sure she didn't say like we're just going as friends.
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Don't read into this.
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Like that would be very shitty move.
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I think that would have been I don't know if that would have been the shitty move.
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Uh for a in high school, yeah.
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There's a nice way to say that.
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Like you said, yeah, I would love to go as friends with you to prompt.
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Yeah, there you go.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe she said that.
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I don't know.
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That I don't know.
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Only Jake would know that.
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Well, I obviously but I feel like that's the only it was that's an incredibly common experience.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I told Jake, like, I probably would have reacted pretty similarly if I had some sort of romantic aspirations with a prom date and then uh and then the opposite happened.
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Oh yeah, this week we got into this too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, I will say this.
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Let's focus on Jake still, but to lean into like my insecurities of high school, I don't I'll I here's what I do think about myself.
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I think if someone had said that to me, I think if someone had said, like, I will go with you as a friend, I don't think I would have had enough confidence in myself that I thought I could convince that person otherwise.
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So meaning like if I think No, so she probably didn't say that.
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No, I don't think that's a good thing.
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Which is why I don't think she would have said that.
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Yeah, no, I don't think that she said that.
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I can I don't think, right, like I don't think that we were um I don't think that we were like mature enough at that point to say that.
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We probably were like, oh, like I get to go to prom and like oh it's you know Jake's a great guy.
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Yeah, I don't think it's funny.
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Like, I'll go to prom with him.
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Um well another of layer of of Jake revealed layer deeper into the psyche of it.
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It's funny.
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So I told you how my sister got in is now into this podcast, and I've now heard her pitch.
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She's listened to every episode.
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Did she like it?
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Yeah, I mean she's listened to every episode.
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That's good.
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That doesn't mean you like it.
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Well, no, I would listen.
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But yeah, you can't.
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All this is to say is like to me, like every episode's about a different topic, but I've already heard her like pitch the show to other people, and she said, the show is about how Jake was really like in his head about girls in high school.
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And it's like, I guess that is what the show is about.
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That is, which is not to be very clear to the audience, not what I wanted the show to be about.
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I mean, it's just the most compelling material.
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I mean, looking for drama, you know.
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It's the who killed Laura Palmer of the show.
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It's like right.
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Except that the whole point of that is that you're not supposed to answer the question.
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And I feel like still so many unanswered players.
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Yeah.
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Are there?
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I feel like we've kind of cracked at least the biggest one.
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It's funny because actual prom and actual ESPN zone, I don't have like many differential memories of.
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It's like before prom.
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Like I remember taking pictures at like Josh's house.
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That was awesome taking pictures at my house because I remember it was so hot that day.
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And I was like, I'm the only one who can go inside, take a shower, and change my underwear and socks and go to prom.
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It was so hot.
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You didn't ask Abby to prom junior year.
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You were so you were scared then.
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Yeah.
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Okay, we had gone to Israel together with our families very like in April, like Passover.
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So before prom.
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It took me forever, yeah.
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And she had given you like this like plain letter.
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Like I know.
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Plain letters.
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Even I knew you liked Abby at that point.
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I know, I know.
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I think everyone liked it.
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And prom was probably not until end of May June.
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We had a late prom.
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That's wild.
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I know.
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I I was very immature as well.
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If I could go back in time, I would have just treated all this like Adam did.
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I would have just been like, I don't fucking care about any of this.
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I cared.
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Alrighty.
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Well, thanks.
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Thanks for coming.
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Thank you guys.
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Hi guys.
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So fun.
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I'm a little disappointed that we weren't gonna um I thought we were gonna redo the like Jake Prom scenario, like we did the.
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Oh wow.
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Oh yeah, I forgot we had feeder people on.
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I'm joking.
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We don't have time.
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I'm I I gotta I gotta get going.
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That might have been like a reparative experience for Jake.
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I don't even understand the premise.
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Like sort of recreating it.
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I think it was pepperoni.
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Yeah.
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This was good.
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Yeah, but you checked out like half an hour ago.
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Got offended that I clarified that I that I endorsed Josh's opinion.
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God, that was so exciting.
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Shut down.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Not the slightest.
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What are you eating, Jake?
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Are you gonna share?
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It's cereal and goldfish.
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Yeah.
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It's dry cereal and goldfish.
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Thank you for that root response.
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You ruined cereal.
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No.
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I didn't ruin anything.
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I know what I'm doing.
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What kind of cereal?
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I got it from Costco today.
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I've never had it before.
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It's like it's actually like almost like more like trail mix.
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There's like different kinds of like cereal almonds and stuff like that.
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That is something that a four-year-old would do.
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The goldfish because like goldfish does look like cereal.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's like I think cheese can basically just enhance anything.
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I don't think that cheese should be in cake.
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Right.
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Except, of course, for cheese cake.
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I think it could I should think that it should only be savory.
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Like cheese should only be savory.
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Like cream cheese should only be like on an everything bagel.
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Well, no, you could put cream cheese on like a cinnamon raisin bagel, and that would be totally acceptable.
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Oh, cinnamon raisin, I forgot about that one.
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I haven't thought about cinnamon raisin and cream cheese and jelly, the best.
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Cream cheese and jelly on matza.
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I mean, yeah, what are we doing here?
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So yes, I think cheese can cheese or something.
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And I stand by it.
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You want to hear what some of Abby's relatives do with a bagel, and then everyone can decide if this is grosser than what Jake does with his cereal.
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Bagel, cream cheese, jelly, locks.
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Oh, that sounds awful.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, locks is just a no-go for me.
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I know, I know, but imagine you were someone who likes locks.
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And now imagine I like all of those things.
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Jelly, I know.
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I don't like locks.
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No, no, the locks is fine, but the jelly and the locks, that's a no-go.
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Yeah.
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It's a horrible idea.
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Unless it's like a chutney or something like that, you know, like uh Chutney.
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Very fancy.
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Even if Adam is very fancy with his boots.
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Does fish, does fish is fishing and chutney?
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Like, can there be fish chutney?
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I think you can make anything a chutney if you wanted.
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You can chut anything.
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Yeah, you can chut anything.
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Yeah, like you can shut the fuck up.
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Okay, so I had I made a claim on our Holocaust episode.
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I sort of derailed the Holocaust episode.
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That's a great statement.
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I made a claim on our Holocaust episode.
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That it didn't happen.
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That's too soon, Josh.
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It's too soon.
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I made a claim that that I seriously think that no one in our grade did not like me.
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What are your thoughts on that first of all?
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Just first blush.
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Okay, so I have heard this previously.
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And I gave Adam, I think, some pretty good answers.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah, let's hear it.
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Oh, you gave me a position.
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Oh yeah, yeah, we did talk about this.
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I did.
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Because we and we had kind of thought of similar people, actually.
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So because at first I was like, yeah, most people like Josh.
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Like it was like, you weren't like a controversial figure.
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But then I was like, I don't know.
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Are you gonna have to bleep it?
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Mm-hmm.
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Like a s he doesn't like anybody.
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Right.
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I I went, he invited me to some birthday party, I remember.
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Oh my gosh, I haven't thought of him that name in so long.
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I hadn't either, and that is what came to mind.
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I forget who else I said.
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You I think the other person, which I think we said also at some point, wasn't we thought.
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Again, another person.
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Yeah, like they only liked each other.
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I RL.
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If that.
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I don't remember why.
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I remember I'm sorry if I'm bringing up a bad memory, but I remember he made you cry once, and I really did not like him after that.
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So made me cry.
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Yes.
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I don't know what he said to you.
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Like growing up in high school, like how old?
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Yeah, yeah, in high school.
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Oh god, I don't know.
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High school.
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I remember I remember it very clearly.
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I remember you were you were sitting in like your mom's car crying, and um you told me Josh Carson made you cry.
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And but then you didn't tell me like you didn't elaborate, and I was probably too scared to ask you what happened.
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I mean, look, I will say it doesn't take much to make me cry.
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Definitely not that.
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So like, you know.
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I was one of many culprits.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean, you're also not, you're just saying people who are kind of hateful, I would say, but you're not really like saying like why.
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But you're all well, yes, they were just they didn't like anyone, they didn't like the school, and you also were someone who like was very you were very happy, you could get along with everyone.
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You like, and so I could see them being like resentful.
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This has been the ongoing theory of that life.
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That is the key theory.
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The the the ongoing theory that I think me, Jake, and Adam all share is that chances are a person like that, you know, I passed them in the hallway, went, hey buddy, how's it going?
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And then I just kept walking.
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All right, so I'll I'd say that theory is still um like that's the predominant theory.
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It prevails.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So everyone liked me.
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Okay, so we started a hotline for people to anonymously call in, though.
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To leave like a tip to see if anyone had like kind of ju like any sort of gossip or rumors or whatever or direct.
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How do people sorry to interrupt, but how do people find out about said hotline?
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We plugged it on the Holocaust episode.
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Did anyone call into this hotline?
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We got one call a few days ago.
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Oh, yeah, and I haven't listened to it yet.
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So I don't believe that.
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Really?
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I'm not gonna believe that, but no, I wait.
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That I haven't listened to it yet?
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It's just I just love the I love the sheer like just why do you not believe it?
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Tenacious response from Harry.
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Just like fuck you and your and your carrie and I are similar in this.
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If somebody was calling in to bitch about us, somebody that hated us, we would have to listen to that immediately.
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How would you not listen?
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Okay.
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But I want to see the thing is he's being a producer.
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Yeah, I'm always thinking about the show.
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I want to get my live reaction on the show.
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Like to waste to waste that on a so I heard a rumor that a kid from another grade had come to you asking if you'd help him make a short movie to impress a girl that he liked, and that you had said yes, and then the day that you were supposed to help him at some location, the kid showed up and waited for like two hours and you never showed.
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Did you do something to that?
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Like, did you first of all?
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That sounds strikingly like Josh.
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I'm so glad you said it.
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I didn't want to be the one to say it, but that was definitely Josh.
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Yeah, that would be Josh.
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That would actually be insane if you did that.
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I swear it wasn't me.
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It would not be insane.
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You set things up on this podcast all the time, first of all.
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But I swear it wasn't me.
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That would be crazy.
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Did you guys do something like around?
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You're saying you didn't run that through a garbler now.
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That was that was the voice.
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I mean, it's someone was make doing a voice.
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It almost clearly you to hide their voice.
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Yeah, but I swear that wasn't me.
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Josh, that would be an insane twist.
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Should we listen to it again?
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I don't know if I can.
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Yeah, I actually don't feel like I got it.
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You promised some kid to help him with a video and he wouldn't check and never showed up.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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There's actually a transcript here.
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I can just read that so that I'm going to do that.
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Okay.
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Oh.
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Okay, so it says, so I heard a rumor that a kid from another grade had come to you asking if you'd help him make a short movie to impress a girl that he liked, and that you had said yes, and then the day that you were supposed to help him at some location, the kids showed up.
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The kid I I guess that's like other people who are helping him.
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I thought he was like a kid, like it was a younger kid.
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Yeah, like an under underclassman.
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And waited for like two hours and you never showed.
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Do you have any recollection of this?
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I mean, it sounds like something, honestly, that I would have done.
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I don't remember that.
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Well, also, how would you remember if you because you didn't show?
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So, like, what what would there be to remember?
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No, you can remember like a kid.
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I remember blowing when said, like, who helped me make this video to impress a girl?
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I would remember that.
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That's true.
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And was there and was there an approach?
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Is interesting.
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But wait, this person said, I heard a rumor that, right?
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This isn't uh this is like third third day or something.
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It might not even be true.
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But it sounds believable.
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Yeah, well, he didn't even say, he just said like something potentially shitty that you did, but he never said, like, what's the what are you supposed to do to work with that?
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It wasn't like, oh yeah, it's good.
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I think you should give a public apology to said person.
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All we asked was that was did someone not like Josh?
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Right, so they didn't answer that question.
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They didn't really answer that question.
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I guess they didn't explicitly.
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There is a infer that might hate Josh.
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But here's the thing.
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My claim was no one in my grade, right?
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Oh, that's true.
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That was your that is true.
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So last episode we were talking about prom.
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Really, we were talking about ESPN zone.
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That's actually what we were talking about.
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Because oh, here was big reactions.
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Whoa.
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No, it's not Carrie.
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No, yeah.
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We forgot.
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Maybe we talked about ESPN zone and like really nostalgic memory.
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I love that.
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Do you remember anything specific about ESPN zone, Carrie?
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Anything that's yeah, like you go in, you go down and there were like all these big chairs with the screen.
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That's all I remember, really.
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That's all I think.
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Do you remember during your screens?
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Yeah.
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It was a there was it would play a movie.
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What movie?
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What what movie was playing on the screens during your claim I made?
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You were in it, Gary.
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During our prom no during your senior prom.
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I have a memory that's been confirmed by a few people.
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Was it our senior movie?
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Yes.
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That makes sense.
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That makes sense.
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So I was just the episode started off by me saying how much I loved ESPN zone.
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And when we had our senior and junior prom there, it's like very not cool to like be excited about going there after prom.
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Because I would imagine everyone just wanted to go to like Zach Alters or something afterwards, or something akin to that, like some sort of house party.
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But I was like psyched.
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And I was telling Adam and Jake how much I love DSPN Zone.
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And then Jake said he had a terrible time at ESPN Zone, and he only he only associates it with terrible, terrible.
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Yeah.
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100% it's not.
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I don't know.
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Do you want me to keep talking, Jake?
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Or do you want to continue?
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No, no, no, no.
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All right, well, stop me if I get anything like inaccurately.
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Now, Carrie, I don't think you're involved in the story, but I know Ariel is.
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No.
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I mean, I was I think I witnessed some of it.
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Involved a character in the story?
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Like if this like it's not a big thing.
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I mean, characters in it, but they were both present.
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So but they're but okay, so here's what I the if this was a movie, Jake.
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Yeah.
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And we're filming like the scene where you get left, you know, you get ditched.
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Yeah.
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Is are how in focus is Ariel like in that scene?
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I guess as like Jessica like walks away and is with other people.
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It rack focuses to a whole group that's a good thing.
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Rack focus into a whole that Adam couldn't have said it better.
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Rack focus, entire group of people, RL's in that group.
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Um so Jake was gonna go to prom or yeah, was gonna go to prom with did so and then upon arrival, he realized that it was all sort of a ruse and he was just sort of a vessel to get to the.
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I think I like pretty clearly explained last night that this is not.
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We said we said it cut me off if I'm getting anything inaccurate.
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I mean we said that we said that wasn't what we thought the last last night we said that wasn't the case.
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I think we c yeah, I think we cleared it up.
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Go ahead.
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R Ariel, what's your perspective on it?
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Uh, because now you understand what the general concept of this is, but like what do you think?
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Are you confused?
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Because we we haven't done a you you're thinking that so went to prom with Jake.
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We went to prom together, a bunch of girls from y'all's grade were there as well.
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And like early into the promise.
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Five of you.
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Five, five.
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Five, I think, is a slew.
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And then I think J ended up like pretty quickly, like, gravitating towards like the the girls, and I I didn't spend any time with her at prom and at ESPN zone as well.
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That's my memory.
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I think it was gonna be like a date.
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Probably.
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No, not probably.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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Because like I could see it being a group date.
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Like, we did all go with like guys that were friends with each other.
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That the guys were friends with each other?
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I don't remember who Tova went.
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Well, you're saying that the girl I know like me and Julie went with you, Josh, and Craig.
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Right, but you and Craig were dating.
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Yeah, but like we all three of us were friends, and we went with three guys that were friends.
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So like we could have all hung out together.
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Like that would have been normal.
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But Jake doesn't remember that.
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I don't remember.
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That I definitely do not remember.
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Yeah.
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Can I tell you my theory on what happened?
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I'd love to hear it.
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I think this is I wasn't there, so it's all just knowing Jake back then.
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And I didn't even know him back then.
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I knew him like this true.
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There's a lot of there's a lot of retroactive, yeah.
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Yeah, there's a lot of inference and kind of detective work here on Josh's part.
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But just knowing how sensitive Jake was, you know, at age 20, I can only imagine it was more sensitive back then.
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As everyone is, typically.
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I feel like he had pretty ambitious ideas of what was gonna happen at that at during prom.
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And once he saw he wasn't gonna be the only one exclusively hanging out with, he retreated.
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Ding, ding, ding, ding.
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On the money, exactly what happened.
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He could have hung out with her in the group.
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He felt isolated when he realized like it wasn't going the way he planned.
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Totally clear.
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But here's my question.
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Hold on.
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Are you saying that because that is what I would do?
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Or are you saying that because that is actually what happened?
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Because I don't think those are the same thing.
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Me?
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I'm saying it was exactly what happened.
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Like that is remembering how I remember the night.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Then I then Josh.
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I was not there, but I could imagine that that would be the scenario.
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Because I do remember you kind of like saying you were upset with her, and uh me being like, why are you upset?
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And you being like, because she's mad at me or she doesn't want to hang out with me.
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And I was like, What do you mean she doesn't want to like she's right here?
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Like, what are you talking about?
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Oh, I don't remember that conversation at all.
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There you go.
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Okay.
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Wow, what a breakthrough.
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I know, seriously.
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We're we're we're knocking down walls.
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Now, great.
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It's just me and Ariel.
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I'm wondering if that was enough to convince you that this is what happened.
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Uh sure.
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I mean, if Ariel's saying it like it actually happened, like she has an actual core memory of that happening.
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That was so exciting.
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I wouldn't call it a poor formative memory.
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But like if somebody was like, okay, what happened with Jessica and Jake at prom, that's almost exactly what I would have told that.
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You said you're saying, like, if another person had asked.
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Yeah, if somebody was just like, what happened and didn't like give their opinion, I would have been like, oh yeah, there was some tension.
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I think like he wanted like to hang out with her a lot and didn't feel like she wanted to, but like really she was like, I think she would have hung out, like I don't I think you're right.
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She didn't necessarily want to hang out with you romantically, but she would have hung out with you and spent time with you in like a group with everyone.
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Sure.
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Now here's my next question.
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Do you think that that was made explicitly clear to Jake that it wasn't romantic?
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Long pause.
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Yeah, but it's a good pause.
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I mean, like you invite someone to prom, you invite someone on a date, you hope, but I mean there's no, I'm sure she didn't say like we're just going as friends.
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Don't read into this.
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Like that would be very shitty move.
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I think that would have been I don't know if that would have been the shitty move.
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Uh for a in high school, yeah.
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There's a nice way to say that.
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Like you said, yeah, I would love to go as friends with you to prompt.
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Yeah, there you go.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe she said that.
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I don't know.
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That I don't know.
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Only Jake would know that.
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Well, I obviously but I feel like that's the only it was that's an incredibly common experience.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I told Jake, like, I probably would have reacted pretty similarly if I had some sort of romantic aspirations with a prom date and then uh and then the opposite happened.
00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.880
Oh yeah, this week we got into this too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, I will say this.
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Let's focus on Jake still, but to lean into like my insecurities of high school, I don't I'll I here's what I do think about myself.
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I think if someone had said that to me, I think if someone had said, like, I will go with you as a friend, I don't think I would have had enough confidence in myself that I thought I could convince that person otherwise.
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So meaning like if I think No, so she probably didn't say that.
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No, I don't think that's a good thing.
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Which is why I don't think she would have said that.
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Yeah, no, I don't think that she said that.
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I can I don't think, right, like I don't think that we were um I don't think that we were like mature enough at that point to say that.
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We probably were like, oh, like I get to go to prom and like oh it's you know Jake's a great guy.
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Yeah, I don't think it's funny.
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Like, I'll go to prom with him.
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Um well another of layer of of Jake revealed layer deeper into the psyche of it.
00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:48.960
It's funny.
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So I told you how my sister got in is now into this podcast, and I've now heard her pitch.
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She's listened to every episode.
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Did she like it?
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Yeah, I mean she's listened to every episode.
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That's good.
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That doesn't mean you like it.
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Well, no, I would listen.
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But yeah, you can't.
00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:21.599
All this is to say is like to me, like every episode's about a different topic, but I've already heard her like pitch the show to other people, and she said, the show is about how Jake was really like in his head about girls in high school.
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And it's like, I guess that is what the show is about.
00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:30.319
That is, which is not to be very clear to the audience, not what I wanted the show to be about.
00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.160
I mean, it's just the most compelling material.
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I mean, looking for drama, you know.
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It's the who killed Laura Palmer of the show.
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It's like right.
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Except that the whole point of that is that you're not supposed to answer the question.
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And I feel like still so many unanswered players.
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Yeah.
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Are there?
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I feel like we've kind of cracked at least the biggest one.
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It's funny because actual prom and actual ESPN zone, I don't have like many differential memories of.
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It's like before prom.
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Like I remember taking pictures at like Josh's house.
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That was awesome taking pictures at my house because I remember it was so hot that day.
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And I was like, I'm the only one who can go inside, take a shower, and change my underwear and socks and go to prom.
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It was so hot.
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You didn't ask Abby to prom junior year.
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You were so you were scared then.
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Yeah.
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Okay, we had gone to Israel together with our families very like in April, like Passover.
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So before prom.
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It took me forever, yeah.
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And she had given you like this like plain letter.
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Like I know.
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Plain letters.
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Even I knew you liked Abby at that point.
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I know, I know.
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I think everyone liked it.
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And prom was probably not until end of May June.
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We had a late prom.
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That's wild.
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I know.
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I I was very immature as well.
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If I could go back in time, I would have just treated all this like Adam did.
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I would have just been like, I don't fucking care about any of this.
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I cared.
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Alrighty.
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Well, thanks.
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Thanks for coming.
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Thank you guys.
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Hi guys.
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So fun.
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I'm a little disappointed that we weren't gonna um I thought we were gonna redo the like Jake Prom scenario, like we did the.
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Oh wow.
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Oh yeah, I forgot we had feeder people on.
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I'm joking.
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We don't have time.
00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:32.559
I'm I I gotta I gotta get going.
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That might have been like a reparative experience for Jake.
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I don't even understand the premise.
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Like sort of recreating it.
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I think it was pepperoni.
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:52.240
Yeah.
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This was good.
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Yeah, but you checked out like half an hour ago.
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Got offended that I clarified that I that I endorsed Josh's opinion.
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God, that was so exciting.
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Shut down.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Not the slightest.
