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Speaker 1: Eddie with the official we need should we should do a song for each day of the week. Eddie, it's only been two years for us before the two of us collectively have had this epiphany. Now you had this about hump Day Wednesday, which is today. For Tuesday, I would say we would do Tuesday's Gone by Leonard Skinner, which is one of my all time favorite songs. But Tuesday's not gone on Tuesday. It feels like Tuesday's Gone would have to be the Wednesday, but we already have Wednesday covered, right.
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Speaker 2: That would be more of a theme for GMV since he's the last show on a Tuesday for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. We're also middle of the day. That's fair. What would Monday is? It would be Monday Monday. I mean, that's pretty easy, right, Manic Monday. Manic Monday's good. That's obviously more current but still obviously ancient. But it's less ancient than Monday Monday, and it's a little more upbeat.
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Speaker 3: Although I never understood.
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Speaker 1: Manic Monday because I think it actually describes a bunch of activity that's the opposite of manic. But I digress. Friday, we already have Friday taken care of So all we need now is Thursday. Right, Yeah, what would be Thursday's theme?
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Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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Speaker 1: Now, is this also a sign that I'm probably either irresponsible or whatever? But like, I consider Thursday's Friday now interesting. Like my buddy Hester and I go out every other Thursday. We meet at like a different place and just get a beer after work and sit and catch up on what's going on because we grew up together whatever else, and then we usually shan I usually go to dinner on a Thursday night. I consider Thursdays like the first Friday. But I still work hard on Friday. Don't get me wrong, you work hard.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. That actually is a fair question. It is a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon to you on a Wednesday, Honday, Wednesday. Eddie Garrison back in the mix. It is Querying Company here on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan and plenty to talk about today, plenty two talk about today because you have this, it's kind of like after Christmas. It's kind of like after New Year's you know, when Christmas comes, it's this build up for a month long. It's this month long build up of suspense and anticipation, and not knowing what's going to happen. Am I going to get the gift that I really wanted? Is so and so going to like the gift that I gave for them? There are so many events that lead up to it. I got a dinner here, I got Christmas lights here, I've got a show here, all kinds of stuff leading up to Christmas. There's just multiple steps, and then as you go along you realize it's getting closer and closer, and you love everything about it and you can't wait for it. And sometimes you open the package and it's everything you wanted, and sometimes you're like, man, it's kind of disappointing. I'll be honest with you. You never know, but it is awesome. It's adrenaline filled and at the same time, when it comes to Christmas, there's always kind of that letdown. But with Christmas, as soon as Christmas is over with you're like, but we have New Year's so yeah, like it's kind of a bummer because the big holiday's over with them. We got to wait another year, but still get to kind of take it easy at work because New Year's is coming up and we have New Year's Eve and New Year's Eve, even all of those things like.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Piccoley writing Fast Times a Ridgemont High.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Piccauley's always looking forward to the last fiesta of the year, right, But that's what a little bit of what the Indiana experience is about. It was a month long build up for Indiana fans. It was the trip to the Rose Bull, it was the trip to the Peach Bowl, it was the trip to the National Championship Game. It was this month long journey of euphoria and expectation, and you kind of don't know what's going to happen. You're hoping, but you don't know. And then it happens and it's perfect and everything works out perfectly, and you got the Red Rider bb gun and everything was perfect and you're like, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: And then the next day you're like, but is it over?
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Speaker 1: Now? You know that you have the celebration coming up on Saturday at Memorial Stadium, so you're like, New Year's I got a new thing to get to look forward to yet another festivity.
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Speaker 2: Make sure you layer up and it's supposed to be freezing this weekend.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be very long, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if that's why. It's because it's supposed to be in the single digits and the wind shills somewhere around zero, and there's the possibility of like a you know, a winter vortex as you call it. Yeah, polar vortex, Yeah, polar vortex.
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Speaker 1: It's only so this is Saturday at Memorial Stadium and I thought I saw Eddie Kurtman, I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but they're opening the lots around Memorial Stadium three hours in advance.
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Speaker 3: It makes you wonder.
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Speaker 1: And I know this is insane to say, because it is a university and it should be celebrated on the university campus. I totally get it. You would think Assembly Hall, but that's not going to hold. There's no way you can get everybody into Assembly Hall. So it almost feels like, should they say Lucas Oil Stadium, But you can't do that because it's got to be in Bloomington. I get it, it's for the students. I mean, it's a university. I totally understand it. But either way, my point being, now that Christmas is over with, you're basking in you know, you're still soaking it in. My man, Brian Jacobson is like telling me how like he's still getting people that are telling him like it's surreal, but it's real, and they're photoshopping T shirts for him. And by the way, you know, Eddie, there's folks selling the contraband trademark T shirt out at the airport.
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Speaker 3: I got to get my people.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, I've had ten thousand people as they're coming back, as people are coming back from Miami, and they're selling the shirt the trademark logo on it.
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Speaker 2: With is it your exact shirt that they're selling or a different variation.
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Speaker 1: No, it's my phrase, which is trademark.
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Speaker 2: Is this the same shirt that was on display at a significant sports merchandise store.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that merchandise store, which I like a lot. I've sent a letter to and there's there's talk there this is not It is the same sweatshirt, but not the same retailer. But nonetheless, nonetheless, I digress the shop is the official place to buy the trademarked shirt. But I go back and I digress. Everybody's soaking it in and I love it, all of it, But there is this little bit of a hangover. And that includes last night Indiana losing to Michigan in basketball and the big story, of course, and I know Purdue fans feel that we don't talk about Purdue enough. I understand it. They are one of the best teams, and I truly do believe at the end of the year will be the best team in college basketball. And they lost a tough one last night to UCLA, which we'll get into because Brian Neubert's going to join us and literally twenty five minutes from right now.
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Speaker 4: But the.
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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a conversation for a later time. And I've introduced this a little bit. I think it's naive, and I think it's presumptive, and I think it's too much in the immediacy to immediately start asking so is Indiana and now football school? Does this kill the basketball program? That's way too much of a knee jerk reaction. However, there is no doubt that two things I think have taken place. Number One, for the first time, you have a football program that was captivating people's attention and their dollars and their time well into the basketball season. That's virtually never happened in the history of Indiana football until last year.
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Speaker 3: But now it's even you know, another level.
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Speaker 1: But when I was in high school and did games for North Central on the radio. Apples and Oranges to everything we discussed today, I realize except for this. People used to ask me regularly, Jake, which sport do you like calling better? Football games are basketball games? And I would always say, you know, during football season, i would say football, but then during basketball season, I'm like, no, no, it's basketball. So right now, because we're living in the moment of the football National Championship for Indiana, what I'm about to say, probably I would change my mind if all of a sudden, now I look outside and in sixty degrees and its selection Sunday and we're getting ready for the NCAA tournament. But as someone who grew up a diehard Indiana fan and then in college, my freshman year in college, Indiana went to the Final four, and midway through my college career, Indiana had Calper chaining their ranked number one, you know they probably could and should have won the tournament if everything lined up for them. It was a euphoria. It was a drug that I could never get enough of in terms of the success of Indiana University basketball, because I just simply loved looking on the television and seeing where it said Indiana with a little number one next to it.
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Speaker 3: I loved it.
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Speaker 1: I loved everything about it, and I was fortunate enough in my lifetime to see three national championships. Now the seventy six to one, I don't It would be disingenuous to say that I actively understood what was going on.
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Speaker 3: I was three and a.
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Speaker 1: Half, but by eighty one I absolutely did. And eighty seven eighth grade the pinnacle of your sport fandom, for sure. But from the college football side of things, open disclaimer, I think most people know it. I've always been a Clemson fan, especially in my early adult years to present, And there is when Clemson first broke through and got there to the point. And I know that they won a national championship in nineteen you know, eighty one, I get it, eighty two, eighty two, eighty one season, you know, whichever way you want to look at it, I get that. But what I'm saying is when they first broke through and started getting to the college football semifinals in the four team format, and they got there and they lost to Alabama. That game was played in Phoenix. And then the next year they broke through again and they got to Tampa, and I went to Tampa and I had I bought all the T shirts from each step of the way. Oh my gosh, Sugar Bowl champions, they beat Notre Dame in the semifinals. You know, Orange Bowl champions, they beat Ohio State in the semifinals. All of that, I had all the T shirt, all the gear, all the way. And then as the years went on, not because of complacency and not be but literally from a dollars standpoint, eventually it was like, man, I mean I got like all these sweatshirts and T shirts, which is wonderful, but you over the course of the years, the high, it's like chasing that original high.
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Speaker 3: You've got it.
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Speaker 1: It's hard, it's difficult, but that first breakthrough winning it in college football, I'm not certain. I think it may be more euphoric than winning the college basketball national championship, partially because even though in basketball it's a six game, six win tournament, it almost feels like it is a bigger task and it's more difficult to win in football because in college basketball, yes, if you are a number one seed or if you've had like perdue this year, you're going to play probably a sixteen seed to open build your own joke. I realize you win that, and then you play the winner of the nine eight game, so you're playing a ten loss team out of the Big twelve or the American Conference or whatever. Then you get to you win that, you get to the Sweet sixteen. Now you're playing a team that's a five seed that probably finished fourth in the SEC. You should win that game, and then the Elite eight. Things get pretty real and you got three games, just like you do. I guess in football you have three games you've got to win, but all three of them from the get go. I mean Indiana from the get go. It was a gauntlet of the biggest of the big right away in that tournament because it's a shortened tournament obviously, But I just think that there is like this euphoria that happens with the football aspect of it, where now there are probably a lot of Indiana fans that are like, man, I'm not certain that's not a greater thrill than winning it in basketball, and people are probably like Jake, your moron, I'd rather win in basketball, You'd rather win in both.
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 1: But last night with Indiana playing Michigan and Purdue playing UCLA. There was such this still euphoric haze over the city about Indiana winning it in football and that was still the topic of discussion, and Alberta Mendoza in the transfer portal and everything else that it was like, Man, it is crazy how quickly basketball kind of took a back seat for a minute. And it's regular season versus postseason. I get it. But my question simply is this, and that is as Indiana's basketball program, as we expected would be the case at this point, is still trying to get itself going, new coach, new roster, roster that had to be put together at the last minute, and it looks like it certainly has flaws. But the impatience that the basketball program that the fans would have had for the basketball program if Indiana football was what it normally is right now, is it a blessing or a curse for Indiana basketball. Are they getting more time because people are like, yeah, I haven't even paid attention or is it the curse of people like I don't know that I'll pay attention that much anymore because I'm all in on football, Or can you have both? Now, Eddie, you're a IU fan, right correct you. How much did you watch of last night's game?
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Speaker 2: I don't think I watched a single minute.
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Speaker 3: Were you?
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Speaker 1: And I mean this not as a knock on you. I think I'm using you as the barometer. Did you know they were playing?
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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were playing last night?
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Speaker 1: Yes, Now Purdue Ucla is one that I will it I partially because the time change, the time difference, right, I was, I was like, oh gosh, I forgot Purdue and Ucla played and it was a great game. And Ucla closed on a seven tozhing run. And you know, I do think that. And we're going to get into this more over the course of today. The travel aspect of it does become a factor. But we knew this about the Big Ten and its expansion. But my point simply is this, with this hangover, and I mean hangover in a good way, this continued euphoria of the football program for Indiana, is this now indeed a football school, which is a little ridiculous to say, because it's one year.
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Speaker 3: I realize.
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Speaker 2: Would you like to know why I didn't want to watch the game last night? Or I didn't I didn't want to be frustrated after the I didn't want the high of that championship game wearing off by watching that team last night in ann Arbor, So I knew I'd get frustrated with.
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Speaker 1: It, Uh, Jake, Let's be honest. A great point. How long has it been since IU was a basketball school? They should be a soccer or baseball school, if anything. Excellent point when you say basketball school, they're only a handful of these probably, and you know, Purdue is an interesting one. We'll get to Purdue it a second.
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Speaker 2: You can make the case they have been a basketball school, just not a men's basketball school. The women's team has had by far more success.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about Purdue, right, No, IU? Oh will Purdue last five years? Purduce women's program has been very good, but so two of their men. Yes, you are right about the IU women, right. But when you say basketball school, here are the basketball schools I'm going off the top of my head. Okay, the Big East obviously because most of them don't have football, But Duke, Kansas, Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana, and then the you know obviously Gonzaga and Saint Mary's. You know, Yukon, Yukon, Yukon for sure, And what I mean by that is these are schools that financially and fan support based prioritized to basketball, and Indiana always prioritized basketball. From a donor standpoint, people that donated money to the Indiana University Athletic Department were donating so that they could improve their lot for basketball tickets. People that gave money to Indiana were doing it even in the nil standpoint, in the initial aspect of it, primarily because they were thinking of basketball and getting basketball recruits. And when people went out and bought merchandise for the school and they were wearing an Indiana T shirt. You see a guy in Key West wearing a Kentucky shirt, You're like, oh, you a Kentucky fan. He's like, absolutely die hard. What he means is I'm a diehard Kentucky basketball fan. And the same has always been true of Indiana. Now, Purdue I still think of even though Purdue is the best college basketball program in terms of consistency over the last decade, one of the best, I think the best of it, one of the best, and a model of every way that you would want your program run and everything you would want out of a basketball program.
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Speaker 3: At Painter's got.
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Speaker 1: It roll in at Purdue, and I'm a huge fan of Purdue mat Painter, Elliot Bloom and what they do. But I still think of Purdue to an extent as a football school because there is so much of just the heritage and the tradition of Purdue that is still based around the legacy and the lore of their football program and the cradle of quarterbacks and rass Aid and all and always having games, you know, big games under the lights on national TV and et cetera.
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Speaker 3: I don't.
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Speaker 1: And that's not to say that that is equated to success for them, but that's how it feels for me. But the reason I say this about Indiana is because after last well I say last night, the last forty eight hours, but more so after the last eight weeks and to some extent year, I think that Indiana's athletic department has been open about the fact that their support, their resources maybe are not prioritized football over basketball, but rather at the very least it's fifty to fifty and that's never been the case before. And it does feel to me like they are in an interesting period here where there is the possibility that just the overall interest level of the fan base certainly in the last three months has shifted to football, and now it's a question as to whether or not that comes back. And in today's society, in today's world, you only have so long a period of time to recapture that kind of thing before we live in a short attention span society. And Indiana basketball, if they don't get things going here their best win of the year so far as Kansas State, who's not upholding their end of the bargain. And so while Indiana from the metrics standpoint is supposedly you know, positive basketball wise, they need to start putting together some good wins.
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Speaker 3: And last night they were never in that game. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 1: Michigan's darn good, I get it, but they just were never really in that game.
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Speaker 2: It's just been the theme lately, it feels like with Darren Dereze's team Jake, is that they haven't really been overly competitive in some of these games, like they were in the game against Nebraska at home in the first half, had a sixteen point lead in the second half, and then these second halfs lately, this last you know, two to three week stretch have just been brutal, like they haven't been able to close out games, and that's been the biggest reason as to why these games haven't been fun to watch. It for IU is they can compete for twenty minutes, they cannot compete for the second twenty minutes, and that's the next element to it. And last night, Jake, one of your favorite players, Tayton Connorway, I think he went down injured because he only played two minutes so and I know he got hurt in their game prior to Michigan. I can't remember who it was he rolled his ankle, But I don't know if that's another something else to watch. And if they're going to be missing one of their one of the few guys who's been consistent for them this season, then it's gonna get even worse with Purdue next, you.
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Speaker 1: Know the Again, I go back to this, Eddie, I just think that in Scott Dolson basically said this on the Morning show as he has been kind enough to join the guys in the morning with James, Jeff and Kevin and Mark Dyden in the morning. You know, he he kind of insinuated we're in a new era in terms of the resources from a financial standpoint, as to where we're allocating it now with football, and I totally understand it. You look at the Big Ten television contract, the television contract for the Big Ten, which nets each team millions of dollars.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember the number.
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Speaker 1: We could look it up, but I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of like fifty five millions something like that per year that each school receives in the Big Ten from the television contract. And that television contract which includes basically every network NBC and Peacock, Fox, the Big Ten network which is part of Fox, ABC, ESPN, I mean all of them essentially. At some point the Big Ten is dabbling their toe with every network and getting a slice of that money. All the way around. That money is football driven. The Big Ten expansion.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 1: I've said this one hundred times. Ucla USC Washington, Oregon that was all football driven. Ucla has more national championships in basketball than any other school in the country, and the Big Ten was like, oh, yeah, great, that's gravy. What about their football program? What can we do to get more people at the Rose Bowl? Because the Big Ten took on Ucla only because the Big Ten actively and ad generally pursued USC, and USC said, look, if you're going to eventually get Oregon because of their football money and their Nike money, you've got to partner Oregon with a travel partner, and then you've got to partner US with a travel partner. And they said, okay, we'll make that UCLA. And they brought in UCLA because they wanted USC football, and they brought in Oregon because they wanted Oregon football. Oregon's got a good basketball program. Dn Aubman's a great coach, great coach, and the Big Ten's like, yeah, okay, cool, but what about it. Let's go back to talking about football. What how much are you going to wear this year? All of this is driven by football. And so Indiana figured out with the NIL and the portal era. Look all of the money, our conference, our television deals, all of it are driven by football. And yes, it's wonderful that we're a basketball school, but you know what doesn't pay in terms of the money that comes in basketball compared to football. And it's like in Shaw Shank Redemption when it comes to football toil how the money. Well that is such a good movie. I am thrilled. Eddie Shaw Shank redemption is going to be for you, Eddie Garrison, Okay, what you reborn nineteen ninety eight, Shaw Shank redemption will be for you like Indiana fans watching that game and that interception to seal the national championship in football, or you watching the Cincinnati Reds when a home game in Game seven. You're gonna watch it and say, I had never seen this, but this literally is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he would compare to seeing the Reds win a game seven World Series.
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Speaker 1: I understand, but it is a level of greatness that you have yet to see.
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Speaker 2: That that's, like all you football Jake, A miracle.
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Speaker 1: It was a miracle. I mean, it's been a two Here's the thing. It wasn't the underdog, plucky miracle story people are making it out to be because they were real good last year and they're really good this year, right, I mean, but yes, it is a miracle in totality when you consider where they've come from. Last night though, Purdue Ucla, what went wrong for the Boilers down the stretch because Ucla close strong and Brian Neubert, who's going to join us from Golden Black. Next, I believe he's in Lax. Brian Neubert. We'll talk a little about the game, but we got to talk also about the fact that he has the same level of fascinating interest and hobby as I and I was literally, I'm like kindred spirit, this guy brother from another mother. When I saw what he did in La he likes going to cemeteries even better. We'll explain next. So Brian Nubert is at Lax. Is he at Lax or is he in Denver?
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Speaker 3: Already?
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Speaker 2: Lax We discussed a different time and he said I might be able to do that. I might be a my I might be at Denver for my connecting flight, my layover, but I'm not sure. I was like, well, can you do twelve thirty before you're flying out from Lax to Denver. He goes, yeah, sure, I can make that work.
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Speaker 1: So we'll check in with Brian just a second before he gets to Denver, which is, you know, Denver. And this is another thing Brian and I can talk about. The Denver Airport is like all linked to the Illuminatis you know, yes, yeah, an you way too, huh, even the new one. Talking about the new one, the new airport in Denver. And this goes back to if you've been to the new Denver Airport, they have a huge bronco when you pull into the airport and it has these like ruby red eyes and the I don't even think this is rumor.
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Speaker 3: It's a terrible, unfortunate fact. There was i'll say, allegedly a.
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Speaker 1: Worker during the development of that huge bronco at the airport that was fatally injured in an accident building that bronco. And then somehow or another, you know, some website in deep dark places of the web that probably I'm glad I don't know a lot about. There's a bunch of people that believe that the Denver Airport is attached to the Illuminati and has all kinds of hidden tunnels and all kinds of weird stuff. But Brian Nuberg joins us. Now excuse me, Java House Pielaport guest line perdue last night short in against UCLA. Brian, I'm going to ask before we get to the real topic of discussion, which is you and I have the same interest when driving around Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3: But let's talk basketball first.
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Speaker 1: Mick cronin last night and we'll play this coming up, was very open about his displeasure for the travel for Ucla. They kind of had to know what they were signing up for. How much of last night's close for Ucla against Purdue, if you were going to chalk it up to anything, was fatigue or travel anyway a factor for Purdue and not being able to close last night?
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. Purdue plays a lot of guys. I think that they're built to close from a basketball perspective, I think you have to give you See a lot of credit for closing out.
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Speaker 4: The way they were.
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Speaker 5: You know, they had reason to be desperate, and I think they kind of I'd like it. And you know, pretty turned the ball over at the wrong time, and that's sort of the common denominator when Purdue loses games the last five years or so, it's almost always heavily involved. It's heavily involved turnovers, turnovers that come in bunches, you know, things like that. And they turned the ball over twice in the last two minutes after they're up six. You know, Braden Smith would tell you, and this adds up that his arm got hit on the one that he picked sixth to Tray Coffin ran, but that's neither here nor there.
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Speaker 4: I had anything to do with it.
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Speaker 5: I think it was Ucla and it was a seventeen percent three point shooter making a big three in a big moment.
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Speaker 3: I thought last night, And.
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Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong here, I thought down the stretch that and I really for that game, open disclaimer, only really saw it down the stretch. I thought Purdue defensively struggled is maybe the wrong word, but they allowed UCLA's gods to get into operating area for them, and typically Purdue clamps down, Like if you look at what they did against USC, they were able to make plays against USC down the stretch that they did not do against Ucla. How much of Ucla last night, who themselves were coming off kind of an arduous travel schedule, how much of it was simply Ucla schematically might have found something that worked against Purdue. And is there any concern that others could copycat, if you will, anything that may have worked well.
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Speaker 5: Produe is big, They've got big centers, and that they have a big power forward. Everybody's going to Everybody tries to go after that. Everybody tries to put them in pick and pop stuff. Everybody tries to iso their big guys, and not everybody has Donovan Vent, so they can try to They can try to replicate it all they want, but you know, pulling it off is another thing. Donovan Dent was a superhero last night. Obviously, Tyler Billodeou can really stretch the floor and make threes, and that's a pretty tough time nation to guard when you're big. It's a pretty tough combination of guard period. So people can try to replicate it, and people will try to replicate it, but whether or not they can pull it off with their personnel is kind of the other question.
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Speaker 4: You know, Oscar.
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Speaker 5: Cluff's kind of putting a tough spot there because he has to hedge Donovan Dent to prevent him from getting the lane, but then he's got to recover to Tyler Bilodeau. That's a really big ask for a six foot eleven, two hundred and fifty pound guy. I know, people, I'm sure people are wondering why Jack Benner wasn't on the floor to switch screens things like that. Matt Painter's gonna ride with his seniors. That means having Tray cooff and round on the floor at the end of the game for rebounding and experience, and had you had Benner out there, that would mean Coffin Rn comes out. You have Benner on Tyler Billadeaux and then Oscar cluffs at the rim. Every decision you make in a game that close is the wrong one. So yeah, it's a situation where everybody's trying to attack, produce size on the perimeter. Everybody will continue to try to attack produce size on the perimeter, and it's just a matter of whether or not they can pull it off the rest of the way.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, Brian, because when you when you think about Purdue, you know, you look at it and this is the sign of a great team. Anytime they lose, you think, what in the world happened? What's going on? What's the you know, is there a problem? Is there turmoil? You have seen this group and the maturation of this group. How much I guess mental resolve did they have? Not that going out and losing the game to the UCLA is some huge deal, right, But are they the ted Lasso Goldfish? Is this a group that says, you know what? Yeah, so we dropped one, but we got Illinois coming up. We got to turn it around, and then we got Indiana at Indiana, which is a rivalry game. No problem. Back on the focus, what has been your observation of this group of handling the occasional adversity.
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Speaker 5: Well, well, I don't know what a ted Lasso goldfish is, so I can't comment on.
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Speaker 3: Man, have you not seen Ted Lasso?
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Speaker 4: No, I have not.
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Speaker 1: Ted Lasso says you got to be a goldfish, meaning that you can't have a memory.
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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I think Purdue has memories, and I think they have been through every experience imaginable as a group together and they have almost always responded really well. You've never seen one loss become two losses become three losses. They've always been really professional about these things. They've always been really steady and really confident, and their messaging after losses has always been refined, and they've always been fine. So I think this is a situation where you don't panic. I think Purdue is fine. I'm sure they think they're fine. They just had a bad last two minutes of the game on.
00:31:48
Speaker 4: The road.
00:31:50
Speaker 5: In a league where you have to bake in road losses, you don't know when they're going to come. You don't know where they're going to come, but you know they're going to come. And I think a couple of years ago, when Pretty lost at Northwestern in December, you know, in the UH, I think double overtime, it seemed like the end of the world. You know. I think when the expectations are higher around your program, the social media discussion gets a little overheated at times, and there's no way that doesn't get the players.
00:32:21
Speaker 4: It's just kind of the world we live in.
00:32:23
Speaker 5: But when the sky's falling, you know, I think that Purdue generally kind of handles that really well.
00:32:32
Speaker 4: And that Northwestern game was.
00:32:34
Speaker 5: Nothing, and that team went on to be as professional and consistent and unimpressed with itself as probably any team I've ever seen, and they ended up going on to the Final four and won the league by a mile. And I'm not necessarily saying that's guaranteed to happen for this team, but I don't think one loss is going to bleed into the next couple of games.
00:32:58
Speaker 6: Here.
00:32:58
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it was a two minutes and I don't think it's any cause for any sort of alarm. That doesn't mean there's not going to be alarm among people who are alarmists, but among the people who matter, I don't think there's gonna be any sort of panic whatsoever.
00:33:15
Speaker 3: Brian.
00:33:16
Speaker 1: Someone passed this along to me, and I'm hoping that I'm reading this correctly. Okay. Someone passed along to me that you had posted in a message board that while in Los Angeles you did drive past the spot of the infamous OJ crime scene, allegedly because you are quote a demented person who's into places of infamy. Was that your post? Yes, outstanding? Okay, So I'd like to know where else you've been in LA because you're talking to Basically, I could run my own tour service of infamous places that where terrible things have happened but yet I have a fascination with them across the United States, and you and I could do a five hour podcast on this perhaps.
00:33:56
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:33:56
Speaker 5: So on my first of my two days off, I let's see, I started at Sofi Stadium, tried.
00:34:03
Speaker 4: To see the Intuit Dome.
00:34:05
Speaker 5: I didn't think I could get in there, so I didn't try.
00:34:09
Speaker 4: And then I drove.
00:34:11
Speaker 5: Up the coast to Santa Monica, up through Manhattan Beach and all that stuff, and tried to get into Dodger Stadium. Couldn't get in there, it's gated up. Drove through Chinatown because of the movie. What else did I do? Drove through Hollywood a little bit. I've been there before, but I just wanted to refresh my memory and it wasn't a positive refreshment of my memory. Just kind of drove around all day, and then yesterday I wanted to drive by the recording studio where Sublime recorded their self titled album many many years ago. Couldn't really see anything from the roads.
00:34:59
Speaker 1: So so far a fruitful trip.
00:35:02
Speaker 5: Kind of kept moving, and then when I got up to Ucla, I just drove around some more, went by the OJ house. Didn't want to get too far out of my out of my region for fear of hitting on predictable traffic and being late for the game.
00:35:19
Speaker 4: So I just kind of drove around.
00:35:20
Speaker 5: Ucla for a while. That was pretty much it. Okay, So did you go by the far as much ground as I could? Did you go by OJ's house which is no longer there? Or did you go past the condo where the crime took place? I went by the I went by the crime scene on on Bundy.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Yeah, and now where there are people like gawking around because the owner now has put up like a mini wall.
00:35:43
Speaker 3: Correct.
00:35:46
Speaker 5: I couldn't, you know, I was driving by, there was traffic. I couldn't really stop and gawk, and I would have felt funny about that anyway.
00:35:53
Speaker 1: So I no, you got to do the quarry stopping gok to it. As a matter of fact, that's the name of my tour, the stopping gawk. I mean I can take you there, I can take you past the Manson scenes.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: We can do I mean, I can do the whole thing.
00:36:03
Speaker 1: If you're into oh the Mansons forgough about that. I mean you were right, listen, Brian, I'm not I'm not by any means calling you a stop in Gawk Novice. But if you were at the UCLA campus in bel Air, you were basically at the base of the canyon where the lobby or where the the Tate residence was, where the Manson murders took place, and you were around the corner from the Lobbyanca residence. But you know, again, I don't want to And it's not like I found out where spawn Ranch was and went there and found the Manson cave. In those sorts of I mean that would be totally demented.
00:36:34
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna have to change his flight and get my own far back.
00:36:39
Speaker 1: Now, okay, sough tore back to the Les macabb and I'm assuming that you have been there before. But UCLA's campus is unbelievable. Now poly Pavilion, to me, was a little underwhelming. But the campus itself, literally every blade of grass is perfectly green. It is like totally uniform, and you ask yourself why anybody would go in anywhere else after making an on campus visit. That was my impression. But what say Brian.
00:37:04
Speaker 5: Nuberg, unbelievable campus and the people who go there must have the strongest like thigh muscles. Yes, ever, because everywhere you go, it's it's up a hill, it's down a hill, it's up a hill, down, it's down a hill.
00:37:18
Speaker 4: And it is. But it is absolutely picturesque.
00:37:22
Speaker 5: Paul Pavilion, you never would have known that was the building they were playing in in the sixties. You would have thought that they just built that thing ten years ago. It looked so modern. I think they probably did what Purdue did and they kind of retrofitted the old arena into a more modern shell.
00:37:38
Speaker 4: But there's not a whole lot of easily apparent evidence of the old building.
00:37:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, I bet that.
00:37:48
Speaker 1: And but you know, because you walk in and you're expecting to just like feel history, and I don't know that you feel that. It's more like you feel like multi sport, you know, complex or whatever else.
00:37:57
Speaker 5: But yeah, you're expecting Hincklefield correct that you get the shot in Steam Center.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. All right, Brian, enjoy looking at the macab of the Illuminati things in the Denver airport when you have your layover and.
00:38:11
Speaker 3: Safe travels back.
00:38:13
Speaker 4: All right, Jake, Thanks man I.
00:38:14
Speaker 1: Brian Nuberg joining us from lax Purdue last night on the short end against UCLA. All right, coming up, we are going to talk with Dustin. Now, what time is Dustin? Did you say he's at two? Okay, Mike Nysa look at one o'clock right, That is correct. We'll find out the order of events for the Indiana celebration. And we need to get into what Mick Cronan said because he said something very very curious, did Mick Cronan? And it ties into what we were talking about earlier. We'll get to it here. Coming up.
00:38:45
Speaker 3: The sharp dressed man.
00:38:46
Speaker 1: Mick Cronan kind of is that when he's on the sidelines, he does wore a coat and tied. Is he not as the head coach for UCLA he does.
00:38:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the few coaches anymore.
00:38:54
Speaker 1: One thing that I will readily admit that is a mental hurdle of Jake Querry. I have forever confused Mick Cronan and Chris Mack in terms of where they previously coached. Mick Cronan, Xavier and then UCLA Chris Mack. Since no Mick Cronan Cincinnati, Ucla, Chris Mack, Xavier, Louisville. Right, Yes, always get those confused. But last night, and he's been on this for a while, and open disclaimer, I don't know Mick Cronan.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: However, by the way, Chris Mack College of Charleston.
00:39:37
Speaker 1: Currently or previously currently College of Charleston had to coach by the name of John Crest that in like nineteen ninety five, I wrote him a letter telling him how impressed I was the fact he had an eighty two percent winning percentage and I thought he would be a good coach at Indiana. When Bob Knight retired and he actually wrote me back, was like, that's a great compliment, thank you. Maybe he was the Kurt Signetti that we didn't know about. But Mick Cronin when I did when Lance Stevenson was drafted by the Pacers or sometime during that time, we had on Mick Cronin, Derek and I did to discuss Lance Stevenson's time in Cincinnati, and he was fabulous.
00:40:13
Speaker 3: He was great, he was engaging, he was totally cool.
00:40:16
Speaker 1: But he has been very outspoken about his displeasure with the travel when it comes to the Big Ten for UCLA. And he also said something very interesting at the end of this clip. This is last night after UCLA's went over Purdue.
00:40:30
Speaker 7: I want to thank to Big Ten for giving us five of our first seven on the road, bringing Purdue here on Thursday night, where we don't get back to in LA till Saturday night, and giving us the team pick to win the league on a two days rest after five of our first.
00:40:46
Speaker 1: Seven on the road.
00:40:47
Speaker 7: I really I want to thank the Big Ten for that. It couldn't be much worse. Couldn't be much worse. Hey, I don't think they care about basketball. That's just my opinion. B. You know, look, man, and they ain't moving the city of Los Angeles. I don't want them to, and they damn sure I ain't moving Ucla and I don't want them to. They were in the league in the Midwest, so as that's just gonna be what it's gonna be. But you ain't got to play five of your first seven on the road and then come home and get the team picked to win the league. On two days rest, I had two Hall of Fame coaches sent me a text, why do you play Perdue tonight? I just saw you play Saturday at Ohio State. I said, I'll give you one better. They've been here since Thursday.
00:41:28
Speaker 3: Okay, and they won?
00:41:31
Speaker 4: Right?
00:41:32
Speaker 1: But he is correct, there's your answer right there. First off, it does surprise me, I'll be honest with you, when all of this expansion was being discussed and UCLA and USC to the Big ten and BYU two is what league is?
00:41:59
Speaker 3: BYU?
00:42:00
Speaker 1: Now are they like in the Big twelve? And then isn't West Virginia also in the Big twelve? Or South Florida is in the Big twelve?
00:42:09
Speaker 3: Maybe? Am I right about that? Like?
00:42:12
Speaker 1: Like BYU and South Florida play or California playing in the ACC. He's correct, But at the same time, everyone knew this was going to happen. Everyone knew this. During all of this, everyone was asking, wait a minute, how are they going to handle this from a travel standpoint? How are they going to handle this logistically? And all of us were told. All of us were told, we got that figured out. Don't worry about it. It'll be fine. This is the expansion of these leagues because of the interest in the leagues, and the Big Ten has always been the forefront because of the Big Ten network, in the footprint of going across the country and everything else, and oh how the money rolls in. And Mick Cronin's correct, it's all about football. It's all about football. Why do you think Why do you think Indiana all of a sudden went out and got Kurtz Signetti and their national champions and Indiana's football stadium looked like the Rose Bowl does.
00:43:17
Speaker 3: Four years ago.
00:43:18
Speaker 1: Four years ago on an Indiana October game against Akron or whatever, there's thirty thousand people. There are twenty five thousand people there the Rose Bowl. In a regular season game for UCLA, there's twenty five thousand people there thirty thousand people there, and Indiana saw that and said, you know what, the money is coming from the football side of things, so we got to go and put our resources. And that's why Indiana flipped the script within their own department and said, football is suddenly going to be our source of relevance. We're going after we are going to be dominant in football. When I say dominant, I don't mean necessarily on field of the original thought, but we are going to football is going to dominate our focus financially speaking, within our athletic department. He's exactly right. And you know what, Mick, I hate saying it like you're late to the party.
00:44:10
Speaker 3: You should have.
00:44:10
Speaker 1: Figured that out when you played last year in Bloomington against Indiana and looked up and saw that the balconies were empty, and then looked down and saw that the Indiana football team was ranked within the top ten and made the College Football Playoff. That should have told you right there what athletic departments in the Big ten are prioritizing. And in terms of the travel, He's probably not wrong in the lunacy of it all. But when you're talking about that number of schools over those many states and that many thousands of miles between them. There's always going to be some sort of outlier piece to the jigsaw puzzle that just doesn't quite fit when you're trying to figure those schedules out. And yes, I feel for him, but at the same time, what in the heck did he think was going to happen? Well, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, they got nobody to complain to because they if they didn't know this going in, I don't know what to tell them, but it is true football. Whyse you get a week and you play one game a week, You don't play two in a week, three in a week, whatever. But it all goes back to the Bob Knight rant at Wisconsin on ESPN back in nineteen eighty seven. You know, we got ESPN all they care about. These kids got class in the morning and we're here at nine o'clock playing in Wisconsin and da da da da. And then where did Bob Knight go as soon as he quit coaching with DESPN?
00:45:34
Speaker 3: You know why?
00:45:34
Speaker 1: Because they got money. Money talks. Money talks, So too is Mike Nisilik from the Bloomington Herald Times, and he joins us next any had a last night short end of things basketball at Michigan I think probably doesn't overly stun anyone. Football, of course, still events going on for the national champion.
00:45:56
Speaker 3: I what year will it be at EE.
00:45:59
Speaker 1: Before it becomes just like normal to say, like, yeah, the national champion Indiana Hoosiers.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: It's a great question after they do it again next year.
00:46:10
Speaker 1: And this is what always confuses me from a football standpoint. This is what always confuses me from a football standpoint. Indiana, Are they the twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six national champions? You know, it's like the Colts when the Colts won the Super Bowl. With you go by this season, I realize Indiana's the twenty twenty five national champion, even though they won the championship almost a month into twenty twenty six. It thoroughly confuses me. And I always get you know, when the Clemson years, Alabama years, whatever, people are like, oh, the nineteen LSU team, and I'm like, well, was that twenty nineteen or twenty twenty because that was the last.
00:46:53
Speaker 3: One right before, And I get totally confused.
00:46:56
Speaker 1: But Indiana is your twenty twenty five national championship despite the fact that's in January of twenty twenty six when they wont it joining us now, Java House Peel and poor guest Line. Java house dot com is the website. Jake twenty five is the discount code for twenty five percent off. Mike Nizelik joins us from the Bloomington Herald Times, and Mike, let's get to this the the order of events before we go back and take a look at everything that's happened here, the upcoming schedule, if you will, for Indiana fans as it relates to continuing to soak in everything with this football team. What is upcoming now in terms of the celebrations.
00:47:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, some players are making some appearances around town. I know, Mint Fernana Mendoz is going to be out at the Bloomington Dick Sporting Goods, you know, some stuff like that. But I mean the biggest thing will be Saturday. Obviously, they have a celebration plans, I believe at Memorial Stadium. I don't know if like a sort of itinerary has been out, but you know they've released some details about when fans can get there, you know, timing of the events. So that'll be the big kind of blowoff, and then obviously players will start kind of going their separate ways as they you know, a lot of these guys get ready for you know, they graduated a ton of seniors and obviously a lot of draft hopeful so they'll be on their way to sort of solidify their draft stock.
00:48:17
Speaker 1: Now I'm curious of this, and I don't know if you know this or not, but I saw that it's only a thirty minute thing happening on Saturday, correct at Memorial Stadium.
00:48:29
Speaker 8: I did not see the exact time because I was flying this morning and did not see I thought, I mean, I would assume, like I thought, maybe an hour would be what it would be, but I did not see it exactly.
00:48:41
Speaker 3: The weather's going to be brutal, So that's the reason I asked.
00:48:43
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the yeah, And I know, I get it, Mike. It's it's hard. You know, there's really kind of nowhere to do. You know what exactly is planned? Is it just a stage, couple of speeches, trophy presentation, and then you know, throw some toilet.
00:48:56
Speaker 8: I would assume that they were they were still formulating those plans when they got kind of on the plane you know, on on Monday, because they didn't I mean on Tuesdays they didn't fly back. They had a winners press conference, they were still in Miami Tuesday morning, didn't get back to I mean you saw kind of videos of obviously them kind of the buses they flew the back into Minneapolis, so that was still being worked out. And you know, like this is all sort of you know, there's no manual in place right right, like this is all like new thing. You know, we didn't know that's on page fifty five our championship celebrations for football, Like this is all new territories. So they're started working through that. And I mean, like you said, I mean the timing of it. You got kids that have to kind of go on. You got the coaching staff sort of moving on now. You know, they've got things they've got to accomplish here before you know, the next couple of weeks when they do get some time off. So you don't have a lot of options. I mean, really Saturday and Sunday were it. And I mean the weather doesn't look like it's going to be cooperating, but I mean that's really the window you had. Uh, it's just kind of the nature of the beast. Yeah, I guess it is. I'm looking at one one thirty. Yes, I mean that's it'll be brief, probably because the weather's probably contributing to that. Like you said, I've dge a couple of speeches and show the trophy off and just kind of celebrate and let the fans see it.
00:50:05
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So let's go back to this this particular and we've broken down everything that happened in terms of the game itself. But and to use a media term like to kind of advance the story, the next if you will step for all of this would be number one, and that is retention of roster and rounding out of roster of pieces that will no longer be there. We know about Alberta Mendoza. Are there other players that would enter the portal? I'll begin with that question.
00:50:39
Speaker 8: Back up off at the linementer today, I was Evan Lawrence. I believe, I mean, you're gonna get I think guys a little bit lower down the roster. But like I've kind of viewed it as there's not a lot of fat on the roster still because of the Mones seniors you got, you got a lot of young guys, and so I mean there's going to be opportunity for playing time at a lot of positions next year, and so, you know, I don't necessarily know, especially when you've got a team now in theory has championship aspirations. Why why do you necessarily leave so quickly? You know, it would be different if you were in sort of a you know, a rough spot, but I don't think that's that's the case anymore, and so I wouldn't be as work, you know. You know, obviously their surprise Alberto is a surprise considering kind of what the talk was from even directly from him leading into uh this week, you know, his decision to leave, but you know, that can always happen. I think the draft decisions are a little more intriguing. I think Ponds, Uh, he had just announced kind of got announced by the Senior Bowl that he's going to be participating. That's likely a sign that he's he's going to you know, an announcement for him will probably be forthcoming about the draft. Carter Smith said he's coming back, which was I think huge news to get the returning you know, big ten offensive lineman of the year back in the fold uh he he kind of said that after the game. So I got a couple of other guys. I think Omar Cooper is an interesting one. Does he go or stay? I think he's kind of you know, some projections have him like in the mid round, but you know, I think he's a guy that might be able to help his draft stock. But obviously gave some good tape in that title game for scouts watching. So those are the decisions I think you're looking for right now.
00:52:14
Speaker 1: Okay, the with this, Mike Nisilik is our guest Bloomington Herald Times talking about Indiana football, their national championship and everything that comes with that. Now the I'm curious of this, Mike, and maybe we won't know this for a couple of years, right but as you once you get to the top of the mountain, the reality is then people start wanting to pluck away your players, and you know, it becomes more of a challenge to maintain probably some form of consistency of roster. The Alberta Mendoza thing I think surprised a lot of people, but at the same time it shouldn't because Kurtz Signetti has always said, you know, production over potential. And that's not to say that Mendoza has not been somebody who has produced for them, and his number has been called, but it's been late in game situations. We know that they go to TCU for the quarterback situation. There are we going to see this? Do you think routinely where Indiana is using experienced players from elsewhere for their roster or was that out of necessity to get to this point? And now it's about player development of those that get organically as young players.
00:53:22
Speaker 8: Well, quarterbacks are of unique just because obviously there also be one, and so like, I think their plan was to lat Mendoza compete for the job, but like if he wanted a straighter path to a starting job, going to Georgia Tech was was, you know, was sort of the move you had to make, right Like, you know, obviously Joshua is gonna come in, He's gonna be highly paid, and so the indication is like he'll have, you know, maybe an easier path. But I mean, I think if he outplayed him, there would have been a world in which he could have been the starter. I don't think he could rule those things out. You know, that happened him in high school kid transferred in and that was expected to start, and like he just got on the practice field and beat him, right, And so quarterbacks unique, like I think they had, you know, last year, they had teams trying to post their players, especially in the spring portal window, and like there were some scary moments from what KURTZIGETI talked about the Big Ten Media Day and talk to me. I had interview with him in May and he said, like it was dicey, like that was when he was actually worried. It wasn't in the winter, it was in the spring, those spring portal window. Now, I think that helps, but so like I mean, that's you know, he said what was at one point three million, I think was an offer that he said in the Big Ten media days, a guy got and you know they had to match it. And so those things are happening constantly, and they've done a good job with retention so far. Obviously the portal will be open for them now an extra couple of days through the twenty fourth, so you're always on guard. The quote he gave me last year, it was your intent is always up, and so I think that'll be the case here for the next four days. And then see what we got going forward. But I mean their transfer hall right now is fantastic already, So I mean you have to feel good about the players they got back. I mean, I think that they're going to retain, you know, a core group of this roster that has eligibility left and the pieces they're adding.
00:55:14
Speaker 1: Mike, do we know and maybe it would be speculative, I don't know, but do we have an estimate? Obviously it was worth it. I'm not papooing it at all. It's the reality of today, and I give credit to Indiana for being kind of in front of it all. Do you have an idea of what their payroll, odd to say, was for this year, the total amount?
00:55:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
00:55:36
Speaker 8: It's hard to put them down on numbers. A colleague, as Zach Austenman did a reporting on this kind of leading up to the championship game. We had always heard that the you know, revenue sharing was you know, like around twenty million per team or per per school for the athletics departments, and you know, large majority of schools, you know, the significant chunk of that was dedicated to football. So that's kind of like your starting point, like a large portion of your budget pbably upwards of fifty percent, you know, seventy percent, sixty five to seventy percent of that twenty million, I believe is where kind of Indiana came down on football. And then on top of it, you know, Zach had reported kind of you know, you think around twenty five million was it was last year. But also you got to remember the rules in which last year's roster were put together, especially the guys that were locked in the deals sort of in the winter, was different because they could be they were solely dedicated or more, and it could be structured differently because it wasn't part of the clearinghouse and nil deals, So it was different. So now you're going to probably get a cleaner look in terms of what the revenue sharing split and what teams that have spent over. So it's hard to say, and this year won't be the same. It's not one to one anymore because they interestuted the clearinghouse in the summer and sort of the roster the way the rosters were constructed were a little different.
00:56:54
Speaker 1: Do you think it's sustainable, Mike, And I don't mean, you know, so long as you have boosters, I get it. Right, But I believe, and I keep saying this, that you're going to have kind of these little many dynasties and like a team's going to be dominant for you know, have their three to four years in the sun, then they go away for a couple of years, then they come back again because it's going to be cyclical. That works along with what kind of big booster donations you're getting. And unless you have a booster that's willing to write you a check for fifteen million a year, you're gonna have EBB and flow.
00:57:25
Speaker 4: There?
00:57:25
Speaker 3: Am I off base?
00:57:28
Speaker 4: Well?
00:57:29
Speaker 8: I think there's two separate questions. Is the model sustainable? I don't think so in terms of like what they're doing and like all the different rules and eligibility and nil.
00:57:37
Speaker 1: Like it's all a mess.
00:57:38
Speaker 2: It's like a.
00:57:38
Speaker 8: Disaster, right, and so like there's I mean, like I mean that's that's part of the conversation, right, Like, I mean, things will probably have to change at some point. I do not know what direction things go in. Like there's no I mean, they can't even agree on the playoff, right, Like there's no sort of stepping up and trying to these voices kind of to to better the sport. So like that part's I think is a big part of it because like that effects kind of what you're talking about, Like is it just schools that can muster up support for a certain amount of time, get like a benefit and get and like rise up and rise back down. But I will say one, Indiana is well positioned to sustain the success because you know, the money comes in from what they just did, will help them and sort of lessen maybe the burden on some of those donors or some of the you know, other obligations they have to do. And so like I think you also have to really good set up in the athletic department have to have and they've really prepared for this kind of even going back and went and spoke about this kind of the weekly going back to the game to sort of set up this success, going back to like twenty twenty one and coming up with the model in the athletic department, a financial model I'm talking about to sort of like how do we cover all these costs, revenue shares coming, what do we do? And Indiana position themselves well to do this because it's not just about donors. I mean, that's the big part of it. That's a big part of the NIA. But I mean you have to you know, like there are some athletics departments that are so in the red that like they can't take themselves out of it. It's not going to matter about donors, right And so I mean you see that like UCLA, the school that has a lot of financial troubles, so like they can't get to the point. Indiana's that right now because they have all other sorts of problems. So like Indiana has positioned themselves well to keep us going. But to your point, like, what's the future hold? God knows with what this this model will look like in you know, three to five years, maybe things change, And I don't know how that impacts you know, individual teams because I don't know what the rules will be at that point.
00:59:35
Speaker 1: The again, Mike Nislok is our guest Bloomington Herald Times. Here's one other question about that before we get onto something about next year for Indiana. And I don't know the answer to this, Mike. I'm legitimately asking, so I'm not rhetorically asking this, like and you know, like the guy yelling at clouds, what now are the academic requirements for a player, because for example, you know, is guys are now you know you heard Carson back. I mean a lot was made of that. I don't even know if he was taking you know, Brenanda Mendoza graduated from cal I assume he was taking like an online graduate course.
01:00:07
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Is there a minimum breaking.
01:00:10
Speaker 8: A couple of virtual course. I believe he was taking a couple of virtual courses, So there is there is a requirement. I do not know the extent, and I don't know how it varies for school, you know, hours wise or credits wise. But because you know, he did talk I mean, Fernando talked about that earlier this season that you know, he uh went to host Business School, obviously very prestigious school, and his he talked about his class requirements obviously were much heavier in previous years than they were this year. Not to bragger about it, but he just you know, was talking kind of about it was a question about what his schedule like or.
01:00:44
Speaker 1: What his routine was like.
01:00:46
Speaker 8: So there is that When players graduate, obviously their class loads less, but I mean they do have to, you know, I think it also changes like undergrad versus graduate students, and so like I do not know the exact credit hours, but I would say undergrads obviously have to take more, but once you've graduated, there is some leniency. And I mean, you know, now you get we will kind of now are getting through a lot of the COVID year guys where it was like eight nine years, which was getting ridiculous, but now you're sort of still seeing, you know, the JUCO rules sort of up in the air, and you're still getting five and six year players and so but yeah, they benefit from that, but they still do have to do.
01:01:26
Speaker 1: Some Okay, let's talk about roster for next year, Mike, in terms of you know, who's there who's not. I want to begin with this. A guy that and somebody asked me to ask about this.
01:01:36
Speaker 3: It's a really good question.
01:01:37
Speaker 1: Tyler Cherry was a pretty highly talented quarterback locally out of center Grove, went to Indiana, suffered injury, sat out this year.
01:01:45
Speaker 3: I assume he is still part of the program.
01:01:48
Speaker 1: Would he be somebody that then becomes Hoover's back up with the department with the departure now of Alberta Mendoza, Where do things stand there? Uncertain?
01:01:57
Speaker 8: I mean, he was he was like a student coach, so they kept them in the fold. Well, the injury, I think it's all independent on his health. That'll be a question we kind of ask Kurtzidandi the next time. I think we get you know, when you kind of go through all the roster kind of question marks before they kind of go off onto their break before the spring, that is an interesting question in terms of like, I think it's all about just if he's healthy enough to play, and so will he be factor in the next season. That'll be the sort of the question. I don't think even if he came back that they will make they will just just default and assume he'd be the backup quarterback. Too young, too inexperienced, injury questions. I still think they have to go find something.
01:02:35
Speaker 1: Okay, when you look at not only players who have no more eligibility, but also the possibility of transfer portal or areas where they have not been able to get players in the portal What area of the Indiana football team for next season when they begin their defense of this title are going to be the big question marks?
01:02:58
Speaker 8: You know, right now has answered a lot of the questions that they had, like you know, you know, and I think right now, it's more sort of like filling in holes and depth, like like could they use a backup linebacker, you know, like, yeah, I think I think an extra veteran linebacker with the experience would help them. The backup quarterback I think opens up. Maybe that is your most pressing need because you know, you saw in twenty four how important that start Tevin Jackson made was to to sort of keep the playoff hopes on track against Washington. So like you need a backup quarterback. I mean they've addressed safety, you know, maybe another interior guy and at defensive tackle, But I think you have a really good starting base there. Like you know, they're coming from a point it's strengthen a lot of these positions. Like if you lose Pawns, they got a two year starter out of the transfer portal, you're probably bringing back to Maury Sharp, the guy who just got the interception to win the national title. Like, they're really in a good spot in a lot of these places, you know, especially with car Smith coming back, like you thought, you know, now they have probably four starting linemen coming back basically essentially, and then they added a starter, and now you just kind of got to move a guy to center basically, So I mean like there's just not a lot of holes. And that's what I'm saying, Like they are basically weigh that first portal weekend and been like, look, get on the bus now because we're shutting things down in forty eight hours because we're going to go back to coaching and getting this team ready to play. And most of the guys did, and those are their first choices in a lot of the positions, and I think that's that set the tone for what this roster looks like next year. And I think you have to feel really positive about.
01:04:32
Speaker 3: It, Mike.
01:04:33
Speaker 1: I want you to enjoy on Saturday from one until one point thirty while you're covering the celebration, the fact that it's going to be three degrees in freezing rain. But you know what, Indiana fans will not care. I'll tell you what they will not care. And I've always said Bloomington and the state of Indiana and sanjol Indiana and Indianapolis are heaven to me, but they must also be hell because hell's frozen over because Indiana won the national title.
01:04:54
Speaker 8: Right, maybe they'll be a spot up into the trust box. I can stay warming.
01:04:59
Speaker 1: There you go, Mike. I appreciate it as always. Man, it's been a busy run for you. I realized, but you've answered the call each time and I always appreciate it anytime. Mike Naaaly joining us on the Java House Peeling Port guest line, Eddie. You know, it's very very similar to when the Colts won the Super Bowl that was. You know, if you were to go back, you can go on there's like a website where you can go and look up whether records from the you know, like what the temperature was on certain days. And I kid you not, in my mind, when the Colts won the Super Bowl, and I don't mean the night that they won it, but the next day when they arrived back in Indianapolis and they had like a makeshift parade, I think that they weren't planning on doing a Super Bowl parade and they didn't really put much thought into it, and people literally were like, they have to do a parade, right, And they planned on a celebration at the RCAA Dome, but they didn't really plan a parade route. And literally as the team landed, someone said, well, we have to have some sort of a parade, So they went and got a bunch of the floats for the five hundred festival. When I say to floats, I just mean the platforms, and they had like probably four of those worth of you know, different players on it. And I actually do not remember Peyton Manning being involved in it, but I remember Bob Sanders being in the back of it and looking like a rock star. But Bill Pollian held out of the Lombardi Trophy on the front float and never let go, like it looked like it was frozen into his hands, and he had a grin on his face, but it was like frozen. It was the coldest. It was so cold, and I was right on Monument Circle. Norman Cox from Channel six was screaming to every everybody that it was canceled because it was too cold. He had on a Cleveland Brown's hat while he was doing his broadcast from the Circle and then all of that, and he wasn't wrong because people were like, wait, I don't know that.
01:07:11
Speaker 3: We're really doing this.
01:07:12
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, here come the like float things driving down from They went up Capital around the Circle back down and then over to the RCA Dome and that was it. But it was so cold in my mind it was like ten below out. Actually, if I had to guess, I would say it was seven degrees. Now we could look up. Let's let's look at it this way.
01:07:38
Speaker 4: Eddie.
01:07:39
Speaker 1: Ready, what day was that? That's what I'm looking up here? So what can you look up? We're going to go over under. If my mind tells me it was seven degrees, then I'm going to give myself a ten degree buffer of saying no, it was warmer than that. You just were standing in it, so you felt cold and it was in your mind. Whatever. So I will say that the official record says it was seventeen degrees.
01:08:05
Speaker 2: I think you should go with five. I think we need to minimize that gap a little bit.
01:08:08
Speaker 1: Okay, So what is the over under you're giving me in terms of the window of the margin of error, Like if this was one of those.
01:08:18
Speaker 2: So technically I am giving you ten degrees, but I'm giving you five either way. So if you said it was seven, I'll give you an answer from two to twelve. Anything within two to twelve will give you a winner.
01:08:32
Speaker 1: Okay. Now they it was like total makeshift. It was just like thrown together. Okay, Now I need you to look up for me.
01:08:44
Speaker 4: Please.
01:08:46
Speaker 1: The do you have before you a website that tells you temperatures in archive?
01:08:53
Speaker 2: I know I was it was the Monday, right. The fifth is that when they did it? No, what day of the week was it?
01:08:58
Speaker 1: Then I am kicking right here. Okay, it says here there will be a parade. Indianapolis will welcome the Super Bowl champion Colts home with a parade on Monday.
01:09:11
Speaker 3: There you go.
01:09:12
Speaker 1: The team arrived at four o'clock PM and went to the Colts camp on the city's west side. So the parade is not expected to start until five thirty pm. So, yes, it was Monday, but two thousand and seven, so this would have been we'll look it up. On the other side, you're giving me what is the window that you were saying that I would be accurate?
01:09:32
Speaker 4: Eddie?
01:09:33
Speaker 3: Give me again what numbers you're giving me credit for you?
01:09:35
Speaker 2: So if you said that it was seven degrees, I would give you anywhere.
01:09:39
Speaker 1: From my final answer. My final answer is twelve degrees. My final answer is twelve degrees. That's my guess. We'll look it up and see how closed.
01:09:47
Speaker 4: Sam.
01:09:48
Speaker 1: Next, So here's the thing about the Super Bowl parade Paul the Mailman points out, I'd forgotten about this. The parade was a little bit screwed up because the Pro Bowl Manning and others had to go to Hawaii on Tuesday. I forgot about that, so there was and then in addition to that, their flight was delayed coming back. I do remember that they were scheduled to land at four, then that got pushed to five thirty.
01:10:12
Speaker 4: This, Paul, tell you it's Paul. I'm the director of giddiness.
01:10:15
Speaker 6: You're feeling giddy on quarious companies.
01:10:18
Speaker 1: To Paul the Mailman. That's one. The other one is the one that sent me that message.
01:10:22
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know which Paul was.
01:10:24
Speaker 1: Paul Hurley is former, retired former excuse me, now retired mailman. So he's mailman emeritus. We should make that distinction, right, I'm looking right here, Eddie. I think I officially locked in at twelve degrees, but my initial guess was seven.
01:10:43
Speaker 2: Correct, I believe so.
01:10:46
Speaker 1: Yes. On February fifth of two thousand and seven, at four point fifty four PM, it was ten degrees, but again delayed until five thirty. Right at five fifty four it was eight degrees, and by six fifty four. It was six degrees, so right in there seven degrees. I must have read somewhere seven. And that was stuck in the depths of my brain. I'm not giving myself that much credit, but it was ridiculous.
01:11:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a high of ten and a low of minus five in two thousand and seven.
01:11:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, the low was probably it.
01:11:23
Speaker 1: Like you know then two thousand and eight, pretty historic day. It was sixty five degrees, are you serious?
01:11:31
Speaker 2: Highest sixty five a low of forty one in two thousand and eight.
01:11:35
Speaker 1: Well, think about when the super Bowl was here. I mean I remember when the super Bowl was here. It was the most surreal thing ever. I mean, doing a zip line it was. It had to have been fifty five degrees outside. Oh yeah, I remember it was awesome.
01:11:51
Speaker 3: That was Now.
01:11:54
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is the case. It shouldn't be. What we do is not hard work. It is not manual labor. We're not saving lives, none of that. That super Bowl in twenty twelve, and if you remember the super Bowl when it was here, that was the off season of uncertainty because it was coming off of the Colts disastrous season, the Peyton Manning neck injury, Curtis Painter or Lavsky you know, winless suck for Luck and that off season and for the Colts the off season had begun well before that, but that time period. I remember being on radio row for the Super Bowl, and you know those things. You sit there and it's just a cattle call. They just bring over all these former players. Hey, do you want to talk to Joe Montana? Just make sure you mentioned hippie's nasal strips? Okay, and then you know, and then the next one comes through.
01:13:01
Speaker 2: Also, what's the other thing that Brett Farve used to do or still does?
01:13:05
Speaker 3: Copper fit? That's embezzlement.
01:13:06
Speaker 1: No, that's not something that they wanted necessarily for you to talk about.
01:13:09
Speaker 2: Copper fit was what that was. It was like that sleeve thing, a compression sleeve type.
01:13:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody's pitching something like that, right, I mean I don't remember his specifically, but yes, something like that.
01:13:18
Speaker 2: By the way, do you have a cattle call? What does a cattle call sound like?
01:13:23
Speaker 6: Me?
01:13:26
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a cattle call.
01:13:29
Speaker 2: Joe Montana also sketchers, right, is that?
01:13:31
Speaker 9: Yeah?
01:13:31
Speaker 3: That's right? Sketchers yep.
01:13:34
Speaker 1: And some of the players you feel bad because you're like, oh, man, I forgot about that guy. He was the number three tied end on the team in eighty three, But what reason when I have to talk to him? But you're sitting there and the whole conversation, but the whole week was about what the Colts were going to do. And that's when the Colts put out that photo of Peyton Manning at a like a party with Jim Mersey and John Mellencamp and it was like Peyton Manning attended a party with owner Jim Mersey and a good time.
01:14:00
Speaker 3: Was had by all.
01:14:01
Speaker 1: John everybody was there and Johnny Coueger, Yeah, you know, every Literally the entire topic with everyone was what is going to happen with Manning and the Colts and are they going to keep him?
01:14:17
Speaker 3: What are they going to be able to do? And this is.
01:14:22
Speaker 1: This is like the weirdest thing to say because it's not brain surgery that we do and it's not manual labor. But that was the most professionally tiring week of my life. I loved it. I was It was an honor to be a part of it. It was surreal, but it was mentally exhausting because it just was non.
01:14:39
Speaker 2: Stop, even more than a month of May.
01:14:42
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, it was the most tired I've ever been. And that's I have no idea what maybe because the month of May you're going on adrenaline. I you know, I don't know, and it's it's just different. Now, where were you for this? The JW So okay, I was about to say you weren't. That was the media hotel. Yeah, But speaking of Mellencamp, not only was he there for that and a good time was had by all, but a good times had by all anytime he's in concert. Do you know a Jay Querry fun fact? This is literally revoked my Indiana card, revoke my Indiana status.
01:15:16
Speaker 2: You've never seen Mellencamp in concert.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: That is correct, I've never seen Mellencamp in concert, which is like fairly surprising.
01:15:25
Speaker 2: Is this where I would drop my headphones and walk out like you did when I told you I hadn't seen uh shot redemption?
01:15:32
Speaker 1: Pretty much? I mean for someone of my age range, that's almost an excuse. You you can come over here and produce your own show.
01:15:38
Speaker 6: Now.
01:15:38
Speaker 1: Then he literally, I mean he performed concerts in my college years, you know, in Bloomington and around the area. Seemingly all the time, and it just was one of those kind of like hoody kind of like hoody like. It's not that I didn't want to see him, just every time I was supposed to see him, something popped up. But we have tickets to give away from mellen Camp? Is that correct, Eddie?
01:15:56
Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
01:15:57
Speaker 3: Is he going to be win?
01:15:58
Speaker 2: And where any at Ruoff Music Center this summer? The specific date you ask, Saturday July eighteenth.
01:16:07
Speaker 1: Okay, I actually have the world's greatest trivia question.
01:16:12
Speaker 2: Now don't call now. We haven't played John Mellencamp yet.
01:16:15
Speaker 1: I've been I have the world's greatest trivia question that I've been keeping locked and loaded for very special occasions. Should we use that trivia question for these tickets? Or what former fashion would you like to Eddie Garrison? I will allow you to decide how we distribute.
01:16:27
Speaker 2: On a scale of one to ten. How challenging you said trivia question?
01:16:36
Speaker 1: It's not, I mean seven, but it's but what is fascinating to me.
01:16:45
Speaker 3: Everyone?
01:16:46
Speaker 1: Seemingly I could write down for you the most common answers that will be submitted. One of them would be the right one, but the order in which they are oftentimes recited.
01:16:58
Speaker 2: Now, we have two pairs to give away today. Okay, so do you want to hold off until Friday when we have one and it's our last pair? But GMV also is giving away Mellencamp tickets this week?
01:17:10
Speaker 1: Two you mean in terms of to give them away or in terms of the trivia question?
01:17:15
Speaker 9: Uh?
01:17:16
Speaker 2: Do we want to hold off on the trivia question for Friday? When we just have the one pair versus two pair today and tomorrow?
01:17:22
Speaker 1: There's a chance I'm gonna take Friday off?
01:17:24
Speaker 3: What that's the only thing?
01:17:27
Speaker 2: What hap Wednesday? What? What the heck?
01:17:30
Speaker 1: They have this weird thing here where if you work on a holiday you have to then burn it within like five days. And I worked out on holiday.
01:17:37
Speaker 2: I don't I worked on a holiday too, But you burnt yesterday. That's a different reasoning you though.
01:17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, So which way would you like to do it?
01:17:46
Speaker 3: I will let you decide.
01:17:49
Speaker 2: Let's save trivia for tomorrow, then if you're gonna take off Friday.
01:17:52
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you hear Mellencamp playing, that means you got to call in.
01:17:55
Speaker 3: Is that how we're doing this?
01:17:56
Speaker 9: Yeah?
01:17:56
Speaker 1: All right, we'll do it that way. And by the way, speaking of mini outa football. Pretty cool thing that you can have sitting right on your desk to commemorate Indiana's national championship. We'll talk about that in ten. You know, over the years in doing this, we just.
01:18:12
Speaker 2: Had a major tase Jake. I don't know if you caught that last commercial in.
01:18:15
Speaker 3: The break I did.
01:18:17
Speaker 2: It was promoted in the fact we have John Mellencamp tickets to play. I thought about this and there was Mellencamp playing there on the end. And now the phone lines are well lit.
01:18:25
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we.
01:18:25
Speaker 1: Should probably be people of our word, right, we should probably be people of our word.
01:18:32
Speaker 2: We probably should. But we've got a we got a guest coming up here.
01:18:35
Speaker 3: It's your rules.
01:18:36
Speaker 1: I mean, you said when you hear Mellencamp, I know, I know, maybe in a big noginy years you should have thought these things out.
01:18:42
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I probably should have looked forward paid attention.
01:18:47
Speaker 3: Just saying.
01:18:49
Speaker 1: But over the years that I've done radio, there have been a number of occasions. The two that come to mind would be the Colts and then as well Notre Dame. Those two jump out where.
01:19:05
Speaker 3: And this is pretty cool.
01:19:09
Speaker 1: The you know, you always see the commemberative footballs, right, a football that has like a white leather panel on it and then will have the image of a team or a player or something like that, or like autograph footballs. During the Super Bowl that I was talking about in twenty twelve, I did a fundraiser where I had two footballs that were signed by basically every person that came by the radio row signed it. There's like I mean, I had and I gave them to two different charities, but I remember they had like seven Hall of Famers on them.
01:19:39
Speaker 3: But there are also.
01:19:39
Speaker 1: Commemorative footballs that can be done after a significant win. You know, you see people that'll have it on there, usually on your desk or in a workplace in your office. Is kind of cool to have something like that, especially if you went to the game. And Nico Sports is the company that puts together. Bob Iback has been a friend for years, and Bobby used to work for the Chicago Cubs in their PR department and he's worked with Niko for years where they put together.
01:20:09
Speaker 3: Fundraisers.
01:20:10
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the cool thing about it is when you're talking about a football that commemorates a feat or an accomplishment, to be able to say yeah, but you know, it's one thing to just make money off something. It's another to say, we're making money off this for something that a team in your area did, and we're making sure that we're giving some of that money back into your community. That's what's pretty cool about it. And Bob reached out. I've talked to him on a number of occasions over the course of the years, and usually if I'm talking to him, it means that something great has happened within sports in the market, which is why it's always a pleasure to talk to him.
01:20:47
Speaker 3: Bob Iybak joins us now in the Java.
01:20:49
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line from Nico Sports, Bob, how are you.
01:20:53
Speaker 9: I'm doing good, Jake's been a while since we chatted, but I've always enjoyed our past conversations, and you're right, you know, we usually when we talk, we're doing something it's also good for the community, and I know in this case, with the Indiana winning the national championship, we're working with the Extra Yard for Teachers, which is the official charity of the college football Playoffs. And what I'll be talking about this special limited edition full size football a portion of the proceeds will go back and help out school teachers in the India State of Indiana, which is very important to me because I know and I think you could probably voice the same opinion. We all grew up with school teachers, whether they be grade school teachers or high school teachers, or college professors or whatever, and they've helped us along in various stages of our life. They've been our mentors. And it's good to be able to give back to that organization which has been the official sponsor of the college football playoffs and race hundreds of thousands of dollars for school teachers, and the money will stay in the state of Indiana. So with that, I want to talk a little bit quickly about this fully licensed football. It's full size. It comes with a numbered certificate of authenticity. Only five thousands of these will ever be made, and it's all the logos and the information on the various panels of the football are in bust. It's a way of keeping this looking preserved, brand new for years and years to come. I know, of my own man cave, some of the footballs and basketballs that I've collected over the years in my sports career have stayed pristine looking for years to come. So there will only be five thousands of these. And before I give out the phone number and website how you can get these, because we've been on your station earlier this morning, got a great response from people who ordered and these things or probably one third of the way already sold out. So I would urge people to do this sooner than later, because it's a very historic football going sixteen to oh winning the school's first national championship in football ever is an amazing feat. And the way they knocked off some of the opponents along the way, Alabama and Oregon and so forth, and that twenty seven to twenty one win against Miami has just been huge. It's got the whole country talking about this. It reminds me of the Basketball movie, and I think they will make a movie out of this with the way Mendoza and company have you aspired to go on and to create their own image. On the top panel of the football, we'll have the undefeated season sixteen and oh, all the schedule of the opponents and scores, so you'll be able to remember exactly what the season howd unfolded. It's got a beautiful Indiana helmet. There on one of the panels, we've got the beautiful National Championship logo, and we've got the Roseball and Peach logos included on the football, you'll also get on a panel Indiana Football Fax, some trivia Indiana football history. And then we also have another panel on there that features the Big Ten championship logo and the scorer and the opponent. All that on there, and it's exclusive to NICCO Sports. You will not find this at any other place other than doing it this way because we want to make sure that we continue to give back to the Extra Yard for teachers. It's a group that I've worked with going back since the inception of the college football playoffs, and we've raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for them. Now, the two ways you can get this there again, there are one hundred and twenty nine dollars and ninety five cents. Everything is fully licensed. You'll get that number certificate of authent city. The toll free number to order is eight hundred three four five two eight sixty eight. That's eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight. If you can't get through the phone lines, don't panic. You could go right to the website. You can order it there very quickly. Nicosports dot com. It's spelled nik coosports dot com. Again, that's nik cosports dot com. And that phone number one more time. Eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight, one hundred and twenty nine dollars and ninety five cents will snag you one of these exclusive footballs. And I guarantee you you will have people walk into your home or office or wherever you display it and go, wow, where did you get that football? And know that these will appreciate over time because anytime a university wins something for the first time, goes undefeated like they have in sixteen and zero, it becomes a really historic piece of sports memorabilia.
01:26:04
Speaker 1: And the cool thing about it, as you mentioned, is the fact that because you do see this, Bob is you know somebody who buys something like that, and then you know, after like three years it fades or the color face because it's in boss, that's not going to be the case, which is a cool thing, right and no, you're so right.
01:26:18
Speaker 9: I have stuff for my sports career going way back to the middle of nineteen nineties, and they look as fresh as the day I received them. And then I compare them to some of the things from my career when I was in the front office with the Chicago Cubs in the nineteen eighties, and that has faded. I have a baseball sign when I went to dinner. I was lucky enough Howard COSELM. Seed that we were out in Scottsdale, Arizona, and we were doing a fundraiser. Billy Martin, the Oakland A's manager at the time, put it together and that night all these old Yankees showed up, including the guys at my table. I had Mickey Maddele to my right and Roger Merris to the left, and they both signed the baseball thanks for having dinner with us, Roger Morris and Mickey Mantle and Maris's autograph has started to fade, and that's because it was probably sitting in the sunlight someplace at my previous home. So I can appreciate, you know, having stuff on here like this and bossed.
01:27:21
Speaker 4: It will keep it looking beautiful.
01:27:23
Speaker 1: Did you were you at table number sixty one? I guess you would have had it been right.
01:27:28
Speaker 9: You know, Jack Brickhouse with the.
01:27:33
Speaker 4: Radio guy back in.
01:27:34
Speaker 9: Those days, Hey, hey, yep, And he knew I grew up in the Bronx and knew I was a Yankees fan in the nineteen fifties. So I had my job was to get our table with the Cubs ten people. I think it was like one hundred dollars a ticket. All the money was going to a fundraiser for Ken Boyer, who was dying of cancer. And so I filled the whole table up with Ernie Banks and Billy Williams and Ron Santo. And I walked in and he said to me, He says, God, Bob, you know you're gonna have to go back to that table back there where nobody was sitting. He says, we don't have a seat for you. So I went back and I sat there, and within five.
01:28:09
Speaker 3: Minutes Marrison Manel sitting down.
01:28:12
Speaker 9: Marason Mantle came in. But it started out with Whitey Ford and Yogi Barron and Bill Scouring and all my old Yankee guys from the from the fifties. Nobody was sitting on my left or right until this guy came up wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans shirt and tapped me on the shoulders. Hey, Padna, anybody's sitting here and turned around. It was Mickey Mantle and a minute later Roger Merris tapped me on the other shoulder. He says, you mind if I grab the last seat.
01:28:38
Speaker 4: Well.
01:28:38
Speaker 9: I was speechless, and Brookhouse told me the next day he said, I looked over at you, and you look like a little boy again who got his hand caught in the cookie jar.
01:28:48
Speaker 3: Pretty cool though, Pretty.
01:28:49
Speaker 9: Cool, Yeah, it was. It was a moment I never ever forgot. And I was very blessed to have been with the Cubs for ten years. And my son's kind of taken over the thing. He's a assistant general manager with the Tampa Bay Rays now. So he always tells me, Dad, I can't tell you any inside stories because you know you're going on radio show still, and he says, I don't want you to spill any beings that you shouldn't, So we have that little thing between us. Don't tell me anything you don't want.
01:29:17
Speaker 3: Me to know, all right, fair enough.
01:29:18
Speaker 1: But what we do want people to know, though, Bob is again Nico Sports. That's nikcosports dot Com telephone number eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight. All of you listening. Most of you by now I have my cell phone numbers, so if you didn't get a chance to jot that down, send me a text. I will get you the information on how you can get one of the limited edition footballs and help out as well Extra yard for teachers, which has benefited eighty one thousand schools over the years, and now we'll be doing so for schools here in Indiana. Bob a pleasure as always, and certainly appreciate you putting it together for IU fans.
01:29:54
Speaker 9: Jake. It's good to hear from you again, and I'll tell you always good to see stories like this on FALLD. It'll be something people will be talking about for years.
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Speaker 1: It is definitely, Bob appreciate it. Definitely some people have been talking about for a long time. Of course, the question becomes, does Indiana what can they do to replicate it? What can they do to advance the story to use that term?
01:30:15
Speaker 3: All right?
01:30:16
Speaker 1: NFL has some coaching vacancies and one of them actually got somebody chirping yesterday that had some quotes I found pretty interesting.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into that.
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Speaker 1: We will discuss that and pacers as well upcoming here on this humpday Wednesday Quarrying Company. Sorry you'd ask me to have that ready right. In terms of the music, I should have qued that up a little better. But it is Boston, that is because the Pacers are in Boston taking on the Celtics tonight seven o'clock tip pregame at six point thirty.
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Speaker 3: We will get.
01:30:50
Speaker 1: Into some of the coaching vacancies and the National Football League. Whoever would have guessed that Boston would again be a team that is vying for a Super Bowl because we just kind of hope that the Patriots would stay in obscurity. Not the case Celtics, of course, one that have last time here, Pacers played well against him. But Indiana right now is basically everyone's wearing a name tag because they continue to just jostle around with their roster lineup and players in, players out. Dustin no Pirak joins us from the Indianapolis Star. He of course, is the beat writer that covers the Indiana Pacers and is in Beantown to discuss everything going on with Indiana. You know, again, I know that I am a broken record when I say this, but it's difficult for me sometimes to be able to determine with the pacers even Okay, you know who's out because they are legitimately out. Who's out because they're just kind of the pacers are, you know, seeing what they have elsewhere. And then you also get as Dustin joins us. Now, Dustin, it seems to me like we saw last game, and I think Nie Smith and Nim Harder the two that come to mind here. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall in the past really them going to the we're going to use rest days on back to backs, but it seems as though that's now being incorporated by Rick Carlisle. Correct.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're going to do that again. I mean, I imagine it also had something to do with it being the first game of a five game road trip maybe. I mean, I guess we'll see. We'll see when this becomes the thing. I mean, obviously, if you start seeing a lot of these, then you know the tank is really really on and so yeah, I mean it's you don't see it much. I mean, I think Pascal had the previous back to back, they're a previous back to back. He sat out that that Golden State game when they had ten guys out and they shored eighty three points in this game in that game. So, I mean, I don't know if this is going to be a trend that they're going to do this for every back to back. It's probably different than it's home road. It's probably different than it's a five game road trip. But it's obviously, you know, something that wouldn't happen if they were competitive, you know, I mean they would they would not be doing that if they were you know, twenty you know, twenty two and twenty one or whatever. You know, it's something that happened because they were you know, ten and thirty one I think going into that game or ten, yeah, I think it was ten now it was ten and thirty two. So yeah, like there's that is changing the calculus. I don't know if it's going to be like that every time they have a back to back. I'm not sure. I think their next back to back might be after I don't know, it's I think it's before the break. I gotta look at this real quick. I have to check it out. No, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be an every time thing. You would hope it's not just for the sake of I don't think anybody wants to watch anything like that again. But usually if you're more competitive and you do think you've got to give some guys rest days, you know you're not doing them all at once. You're saying, Okay, you get one this time, somebody else gets one next time. But that was definitely a case of Okay, we can we can do this because we're not in a competitive situation right now, and it's not the worst thing on earth for them to lose games.
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Speaker 3: Back to back.
01:33:55
Speaker 1: By the way, February second and third, Houston and Utah here in Indy. I want to begin with this in terms of players, and some of this is stuff that we have discussed a lot others.
01:34:07
Speaker 3: You know, these things haven't ebb and flowed.
01:34:09
Speaker 1: Doest. Let's begin with this. Jay Huff to me at the beginning of the year. Let me give you the evolution of the Jake Querry process of Jay Huff. Okay, the beginning of the year, Man, they swung and missed on this guy. He can't play. You don't have any strength, can't play, looks nervous, can't play. Then later in the year, Jake Querry's assessment. Boy, he hits two threes to start every single game and then at the end of the night finishes with eight points. But he can block some shots, and I'll give him credit there. Now, I'm like, Okay, looks like a guy that could be a really nice eighteen to twenty two minute per night guy to spell your starting center. Maybe needs to bulk up defensively, but I think is a good piece for them. But I don't know that you when if he is your your regular piece at the center position, where do you believe that the brass of the pacers feels he is in terms of the now and the future?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty much right. I mean, I think you've seen, you know, like I'm not going off if they haven't told me, Hey, we definitely think he's here. But I mean, I think you've obviously seen enough, you know, kind of smoke going around of them looking at starter caliber centers. But I mean, I would say one thing that Huffs does that I think changes your calculus a little bit that I think you're seeing in some of those rumors is that if you have him as a backup option and he's a pick and pop guy, you know, in somebody who can shoot threes. You know, you can maybe afford to take a guy as a starter who doesn't shoot threes, who's a really good rebounder, you know, really strong physical presence, defensively, good rim protector, stuff like that, you can afford to take. Not a chance, but you can afford to say, Okay, that's what we're going to go with. We don't that's just if we have Huffs in our back pocket and a guy who can really stretch the floor, we can be okay with having somebody on the front line. It's not necessarily a three point shooter that does everything else, you know, like the Daniel Gaffords because Zu Bax. You know, guy like guys at that I mean, back's gonna be tough to get because the Clippers are starting to get competitive.
01:36:11
Speaker 1: But you know your.
01:36:12
Speaker 6: Gafferds e's and misses. You know, those guys become more of a possibility if you have a guy in your back pocket as a backup that can come in and shoot threes and you need him off the fence. So I think that's the case. I mean, I you know, like if they the thought Huff could be the guy, they obviously wouldn't be as active as they seem to be when it comes to these discussions to get a starting five man. And I think your assessment has mostly been writing is really tracks with mine that at first you're like, oh man, this was not this This guy isn't who they thought he was going to be. But I mean, you saw him sort of block shots. He saw the three point shot get a little bit better, and you know, and one thing that they've talked about a lot is that, you know, he had to figure out the end game conditioning. I mean, even if you train for it, you know the extent to which they want to run. And obviously they haven't been a good running and finishing team this year necessarily, but they still want to play fast, and they still want to shit, and they still want to you defend. You know, your guy for ninety four feet and all those kinds of things. He had to get in better shape. Now he was in bad shape, and he's just he's a skinny guy overall, and there's only so much bulk you're going to add to him because he's he's had to do a lot of bulking up to get to this point. But you know, he's figured out how to play this way. He's figured out how to move off of these guys to understand, you know, how to operate in this sort of randomized action system. A lot of things have come together for him. The confidence is much much better than it was a month and a half ago, two months ago, and there's there's a lot of progress. But yeah, I would agree he makes sense as a bench piece more than he does. Is a long long term starter for them if they intend to be contenders again and if they intend to be contenders next year.
01:37:42
Speaker 1: Has Huff's ability to protect the rim now taken away? The necessity of finding that element within who it is that you're going to go out and.
01:37:52
Speaker 3: Get as your starter.
01:37:53
Speaker 1: In other words, can they say to themselves, Hey, you know what, if we need rim protection then and then we have that in Jay Huffin. We can use that sparingly and that means we don't need it out of our starter. Or are they still looking for someone that replicates all the things that Miles Turner brought.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you have to look at all the things Miles Turner broad You have to try to get all those things I think you want better, like I think you'll you might trade one or the other, the shooting or the shot blocking for better rebounding is how I would put it. I mean, I think you want I think they want better rebounding. I think that's important. I think they know that's been a you know, something that's it's been an issue for them, and I think they would like to get that better. I mean, because you're not just going to be're probably not just gonna go back and get miles. Maybe you can, you know, like I may, maybe Milwaukee's ready to sell right off of that, and you know, maybe everybody can let buy bygones be bygones on everything. I doubt it, but you know that I don't see that coming. That seems unlikely to me. But if you're looking at a bunch of guys, I think if you're going to have a guy who doesn't shoot, then you better have their own protection. I don't think you're gonna be okay with just having an around the basket score and a rebounder and a good defensive player. If he can't either shooter block shots, I think he has to do one of the two. And it seems to me like most of the guys that they've looked at that aren't shooters? Are are rint protectors?
01:39:11
Speaker 4: You know?
01:39:12
Speaker 6: I think you have one, have to have one of those two elements if you don't have both.
01:39:16
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to trade deadline coming up dustin Win exactly?
01:39:19
Speaker 3: Is the trade deadline.
01:39:21
Speaker 6: February fifth at three pm, I believe.
01:39:24
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're looking at you know, we got what two weeks, three weeks.
01:39:28
Speaker 3: Something like that.
01:39:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll touch over too.
01:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much two in a day?
01:39:33
Speaker 3: Okay?
01:39:34
Speaker 1: How much of Ben Matheren not being available due to injury in any way, shape or form impacts Indiana's activity of the trade deadline.
01:39:44
Speaker 6: I mean I think it matters that. I think you know, they Rick talked about him likely getting back on this trip.
01:39:49
Speaker 4: He's still ruled.
01:39:50
Speaker 6: Out for tonight against Boston. I mean, i'd have to think he gets up back on the floor soon, you know. I if I'm if I'm a team that's interested, you know, you've got a shop. I mean, I like shopping him. I think means getting him out on the floor so the teams can see where he's at with because he does have real injuries, you know, like they're not made up. The thumb spring's not made up. He had the great toast sprain before. You know, so those things are real. They're not made up like they didn't just you know, come up with a phantom injury to get him off the floor so they could just sit there and rest him for for whoever else might want him. You know, I think if you're another team, you're going to want to see him get on the floor to see if he can help you. Now, you know, if you're a contender in particular, you know, you want to make sure that he's in good in a good enough place that that he can be you know what you're gonna want him to be if you're going to be willing to part with a starting caliber center. You know, even if you're not a contender, you're going to want to see something. Basically, even if it's a trade among two non contenders, I think you're gonna want to see something out of him to make that move. So I think it could it could make an impact. I mean obviously if he comes out and you know, suddenly we'd both doors off and he's he's a totally different guy, and you know, it gets Rick to the point where he's like, Okay, you can't move him. You know, like he's finally what I wanted him to be all this time, then that might change some things. But I do think it makes him a little bit more marketable if he gets out and shows something in a week and a half, two weeks, just to be like, Okay, he's healthy, he's good. It was good that he took the time off, you know, like, and he's going to be a useful player down the stretch for somebody. And I think that that makes some other things more palatable if if he shows just a little.
01:41:20
Speaker 2: Bit in a couple of weeks Dustin. We've seen Kevin Pritchett and Chad u Can and pulled off some miraculous trades that have gone in Indiana's favor. Obi Toppin is one just to kind of name one of the few. Are other teams potentially when they get that call from Kevin pritchet to Chad you Can and they're like, wait, wait, wait, hold on, we need to rethink this because if these guys are calling us, then we may have something.
01:41:41
Speaker 6: Here a little But I mean, I think in fairness, I mean, I do think there's a lot of coaches in the league, gams in the league to sort of understand when they have a guy who's good that they're never going to be able to use, you know, and they don't have a problem necessarily with partying with those guys, you know, and seeing them bessful somebody else ma Aaron Neathmith and it will be the top in the two examples, I mean, I think just it just had gone south with the Knicks basically, and it was just never going to work out with him, and he had to get another home. And I think I don't think that there's probably that surprise that you know that it will be fit in Indiana, you know. And I think Aaron Neithmi is absolutely that case in Boston that you know, like you you know, like you can't. Anytime I've talked to anybody from Boston about him, they've been like, yeah, he just didn't have a chance with with Jalen and Jason there, like there was just never going to be an opportunity, you know, so like he had to go somewhere he was going to develop, He had to go somewhere he was going to play, and it wasn't going to be here. So like, so yes, I would say that you're like, okay, if he's a guy that you're just not sure of You probably recalculate your priors, but sometimes you're like, Okay, this guy, we're just not gonna be able to use him. And the Pacers have had guys like that, you know, I mean they had you know, I mean I think back to the Daniel Tye situation where like Rick carlile knew he had a functional center and Daniel Pice, but he also had Jackson and Jalen Smith, and they were young guys and they needed menu ite and so Tys just didn't fit. And literally they cut him because the Clippers had a space for him. You know, it wasn't because they didn't think he could play, you know, and they couldn't make a trade workout because nothing worked money wise. So there there are like if there's an even missy situation, you know, that might be a guy that they could get and the Pelicans looking like, well, we're never going to have a real opportunity to showcase this guy, or you know, I mean like when the heat just gave them to Thomas Bryant, like we don't have any use for him, Like we just we think he's a good player, we think he can help you. He can't help us because he's just not going to break through. You know, they're going to look for guys like that, And you know, I don't think other teams are going to feel bad, you know, so like they messed up if they give a guy a chance that he was never going to get in their organization.
01:43:41
Speaker 1: I realize health is a big part of what I'm about to ask Dustin. Dustin up here is our guest job House Peel and poor guest line. He's with the Indianapolis Star. I realize health is a factor here. Okay, But having said that, sure, of these four players, I want you to tell me which one you think we will historically look back on this season and say it was the most missed opportunity for them to finally emerge. Ben Matherin, Ben Shephard, Jerris Walker, Isaiah Jackson.
01:44:12
Speaker 6: Ben Matherin, Yeah, Ben Matherin. I mean, I think I might say jerrifs Walker in a month. I do think Walker's done a couple of good things lately, and I'm not but but I might. I might change my mind on that if Walker goes back South. You know, I might elevate Walker over that because Walker hasn't not like what's amazing is like Walker hasn't missed the game, you know, and and just like what considering all the time he was waiting to get an opportunity, you know, like for there was a lot of squandered opportunity. I'm holding back and putting him there just because at the last couple of games, I'm starting to see it, and you know, like it was interesting for Carla to really push that.
01:44:52
Speaker 4: Now.
01:44:52
Speaker 6: Part of that might be that, hey, if you are thinking of a big move, you need Walker to look good too, because you might have to move Mather and Walker together if you're swinging big enough. If you're looking for a twenty million dollar player, you need to be able to package matter in a Walker together, because that's you need to get just to get there for salary purposes, you know, like you might have to move both. And Kwylout might have been really making a point of pushing Walker to say, Hey, everybody, take a look at this guy.
01:45:18
Speaker 4: But he's been better lately.
01:45:19
Speaker 6: He's legitimately done some things that you hadn't seen him do yet. I think that this defense has been better. He's been more solid defensively, you know, passing has been sharper, cutting has been sharper, drives has been sharper. Just everything's been a little bit better the last couple of weeks. So, you know, but if that progress goes away, I might flip that, you know, but Matherin's had just so many opportunities. I mean, some of it is, some of it is also. I mean he looked really good early and you know when he got hurt, when he got back the second time between injuries, really during that eleven game, you know, that thirteen game losing streak, and he played eleven those games, you were like, where where is been?
01:45:55
Speaker 1: Massive?
01:45:55
Speaker 6: Man? You know, like what like you're not even seeing what you're used to seeing out of him. And I thought, you know, maybe even if he wasn't making a case for the Pacers, even if even if you were saying, okay, well with Haliburton out, he can't really prove himself that he fits. You know, it's just a question of him showing out so that he can get paid elsewhere. You didn't see him show out like that, you know, I mean, like the games before his first injury, and even you know, kind of early on in his return, you're like, okay, like this guy, he is a scorer. He is a good player. He makes them better, you know, But that had eleven games like they were, they were they were worse with him than they have been since he's been out, and you know that, I think strikes it as a misopportunity. There was a chance for him, even if he was going to make his money with the Pacers, that he could have made some money somewhere else.
01:46:39
Speaker 1: And I feel like Isaiah Jackson. The unfortunate thing for Jackson has been the injury and the limit of times he's been able to be out on the floor.
01:46:46
Speaker 3: But dust and I'll be honest, I had not seen enough.
01:46:49
Speaker 1: Body of work or evidence to say that he had returned to his pre injury self.
01:46:54
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
01:46:55
Speaker 6: Sure? Yeah, no, he and he'd admit that, you know, I mean I think he in there And he said, like you don't you know, we we've asked. Isaiah is incredibly honest, and Isaiah gave us like very you know, verty not graphics, not the word, but I mean he just like when we asked them about the concussion, I mean, he gave us every symptom he had. And like Isaiah's just he's just that honest. You asked him a question, he gives you an answer, you know. I mean he was straightforward telling us this is how much how much weight he gained when he wasn't able to run, and how he gained it, you know, going to raising Kaines by the place he was getting hyperbaric work. And so if you ask Isaiah to say, no, I'm not quite as explosives, like it does take a while to get back, and it does. I think alarm belts isn't the word, but like it should. You should then take that and apply it to Tyres Haliburton too and say that. You know, like if you think Tyree's is going to walk in he's going to be the same guy as he was in games, you know, like Game.
01:47:48
Speaker 4: Seven before the injury, he's not. It's going to take a while.
01:47:51
Speaker 6: Before, you know, like he's gonna be able to play, He's gonna be able to be useful, he's going to make them better. But you're not going to see top level tie in October. It's going to be a few months at least. And I think that's the case with Isaiah would just tell you like to explode, you know, like there's trusting it. There's the mental side of it. There's the conditioning side of it, you know, there's your body changes. I mean his body changed, he is, you know, and I think you're going to see the same thing with Haliburton, not the same level. I think Isaiah got bigger than Haliburton's going to get. But like you know, you go a while without being able to do any cardio and your body changes. You know, you would add the muscle, but you're not as light on your feet as you were. You know, Isaiah was a long, skinny guy who jumped really really high and now he's bigger, stronger, and more physical and there's some things that made him better with that, but he's not the same high flyer that he was. So you'll see, you know, like it impacts different people different ways. I mean, I think you're going to see a stronger Tyreus Haliburton in October. He is going to be better fit to deal with contact, is going to be as fast, you know, I don't know. That's going to be an interesting thing to watch. So this is it, you know again, it sets you back for a long time and it changes your body, it changes your mind. It's an injury that that does mess with mess with you. Would it takes you a while to come back and be the same person you were before.
01:49:03
Speaker 3: It Indianapolis Star where you can read his work.
01:49:06
Speaker 1: He'll have the cover to the Pacers and Celtics for tonight's game. That is a seven o'clock tip pregame at six thirty and dust it is a seven thirty tonight.
01:49:15
Speaker 6: I think it is I double hit. Let me make sure, Eddie, But I think I just saw that on the Apples.
01:49:20
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. It is seven thirty.
01:49:22
Speaker 1: Yes, looks like somebody's fine writing on our little boarding here. Eddie needs some amendment.
01:49:28
Speaker 2: Look at the look at it today.
01:49:30
Speaker 6: I apologize, Eddie. I was not trying to come.
01:49:33
Speaker 1: I'm Eddie Jake.
01:49:36
Speaker 2: Look at the today on the fan We've gotten on the horizon at six.
01:49:41
Speaker 1: Seven, Dustin, do you ever watch Judge Judy.
01:49:45
Speaker 6: No, No, it's on sometimes Judge Wopper.
01:49:48
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna let Dustin. We're gonna play Judge Dustin. You're ready, Judge Dustin. I'm looking at a board that Eddie and his brilliant handwriting that actually looks like most girls that I went to middle school with.
01:49:58
Speaker 3: But he does have nice Penmanshi.
01:50:00
Speaker 4: Actually that's really a high compliment.
01:50:01
Speaker 3: I know he has very mention.
01:50:02
Speaker 1: It says this week in sports Pacers at Celtics Wednesday at seven p pregame at six thirty P. Underneath that it says today on the horizon at six pm, Pacers at Celtics at seven pm.
01:50:19
Speaker 3: Pre game, right, yes, pre game at.
01:50:23
Speaker 1: Seven All right, Dustin, thanks for settling that up, even though you didn't actually offer any sort of a verdict. But I can tell you agreed with you felt my pain. We're both right, We're both right. That's fair.
01:50:34
Speaker 3: That's fair.
01:50:34
Speaker 1: Appreciated, Dustin. I think I Dustin Appirac, who's in Boston. By the way, the last time I was in Boston covering a PACER's Celtics game playoffs, Reggie Miller's last year.
01:50:45
Speaker 3: That was the year that I was dead asleep.
01:50:47
Speaker 1: At about two o'clock in the morning, a little British fella came walking in the room with his little roll suitcase and said.
01:50:52
Speaker 2: Is it a British version of Derek? Is that what you're talking about?
01:50:54
Speaker 3: Yes, very much so. And he said, excuse me, I believe you in my room, and I said, clearly not.
01:51:00
Speaker 1: It appears as though you just walked into mine and his name was Stenson. The only reason I know that is because he left. Heney went to the what's at Barney Stinson from how I met your mother? I don't know he's British. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do you like the Maats? It's the first thing he asked me. But once he left, then all I know is mister Stenson apparently was still on British time, because he put a wake up call in for like four thirty in the morning, which they called to my room at four thirty like five six, I think seven. Finally I got so fed up and tired with it because I couldn't get any sleep that I went down to the front desk wearing boxers and a T shirt, my hair all tossled, and was like, yeah, listen, I'm in room two thirty eight and I'm not mister Stenson.
01:51:41
Speaker 3: Can he please?
01:51:42
Speaker 1: We're sorry, sir, so I still have a two free nights at a hotel in Boston if you ever want to use him. I'm thinking statuteal limitations probably were out on that. I never did cash it in, but Pacer Celtics tonight seven thirty pregame at seven we come back. There are some jejob openings in the world of sports, and it could relate to one of your notable coaches here in Indy. We'll explain now, Eddie, is this intentional? This is intentional?
01:52:11
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I'll say.
01:52:14
Speaker 1: In the National Football League, there are a number of coaching vacancies.
01:52:22
Speaker 3: Several have been filled.
01:52:24
Speaker 1: Some of those kind of happened quietly, if you will, Kevin Stefanski going to Atlanta, leading Baker Mayfield to post. Of course you never know any more, like what's real, what's fake, whatever else. But it appears as a Baker Mayfield sent a post saying, I remember when you know I'm paraphrasing. Stefanski was in Cleveland when Baker Mayfield was sent out, and he said, really looking forward to the coach that still has yet to call or text me after I was driven out of Cleveland, looking forward to seeing you twice a year. But a multiple NFL Coach of the Year now in Atlanta, John Harbaugh in New York with the Giants.
01:53:10
Speaker 3: Tennessee getting defensive.
01:53:14
Speaker 1: And going with the former Jets coach that, if I recall correctly, I remember when the Jets made a coaching change and this is one of those names that I always mispronounced. I realized that Robert Salah Selah Salah, I always.
01:53:39
Speaker 3: Get it wrong.
01:53:40
Speaker 1: But either way, when he was with the Jets and got fired, I remember thinking, like what I mean, he got like a fifty million dollar payout or some ridiculous amount of money. And at that time, I remember them saying, you know, hey, what's your next move going to be? And I think he even said like, I'm going to be on a beach for a while. I'm thinking, heck, yeah. He's now in Tennessee, though, and a good coach and a coach that, despite his record in New York I think was seen as a defensive mind, is just kind of a tougher coach, and Tennessee just has I mean, they are down and out for certain right now, and I do think cam Ward started to show some things though. But the jobs that are open Pittsburgh, Buffalo, the Las Vegas Raiders, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Arizona. Now, of those jobs, I think if you had to list it, Baltimore and Buffalo would be the two most desirable because they have the most important piece, and that is quarterback. Now you could factor in do you want to go live in Buffalo.
01:54:54
Speaker 3: I get that, but.
01:54:57
Speaker 1: And eventually at some point are going to start to question whether or not Josh Allen is for the long term the guy, I mean, I get that also, right, But with all of that said, he is still massively talented. That roster may not be as good as we think, and Alan as talented as he is. We saw in the game that where they were eliminated, you know, taking care of the football, what do I always say, teams when they lose, it usually is a microcosm of their season, and Buffalo and Josh Allen taking care of the football sometimes has been a boogaboo, no question about that. But of those jobs. And lou an Arumo again rumored to be or are going to, I should say, interview in Buffalo or Buffalo has asked permission, correct Eddie to talk to lou Anarum.
01:55:43
Speaker 2: That's correct. That was from Diana Russini a few hours ago. Yeah, that Loui an Arumo has been requested to be viewed by the Bills for their head coaching vacancy. Just a reminder, this is a third different team that has now reached out for lou Anarumo. The New York Giants did it. I know, initially when that job was open, Baltimore had not parted ways with John Harball yet, so he was one of the names that a bunch of fans in New York were clamoring for. Then John Harball became open, They're like, oh, we want Harball. And then Tennessee who hired Robert Sala. They were also a team that interviewed lou anmoh And now add the Buffalo Bills time.
01:56:18
Speaker 1: I always forget how to say Robert Sala's name. It's kind of like ebookom right.
01:56:23
Speaker 2: Bob Salah.
01:56:25
Speaker 3: Bob Salah is.
01:56:30
Speaker 2: I don't know the Jerry still out like he was obviously New York with the Jets. But since Rex Ryan, who is Who's who has succeeded with the Jets. But I got a good question for you. You you followed the NFL for a while. Now, is Josh Allen this year's or this generation's John Elway? But he's obviously one of the best players at his position, one of the best players in the league, but just somehow falls up short in the postseason.
01:56:59
Speaker 1: Yes, but yes, but you could even make the argument that perhaps Allen has had previously. That's a very good comparison because Elway was so dangerous with his legs at a time when a lot of quarterbacks were not. You know, one of my more unpopular opinions, especially considering the market in which I'm working. But the more that I go through it, the more that I think that John Elway might be the greatest quarterback of all time in terms of raw talent. Now I know Brady Brady. To me, I've really my level of respect for Tom Brady and appreciation for Tom Brady has really gone up since he's been in the booth because and I'm not saying other quarterbacks wouldn't have this his ability, like when he did a dissertation on the different angle in which you throw the football in wind versus non wind conditions, and the way you hold it, and just the analytics of everything that his mind is able to tell you about playing the quarterback position. Maybe every quarterback has that, but it's pretty remarkable. And I know that Manning is amazing, and Manning, you know, I think I took for granted because I covered every game Manning played, just the greatness with which I was working, because I had to look at it so antiseptically, but I can't deny that. But Elway. Your point is a good one, Eddie, because Elway was a guy that forever was an elite talent producer that couldn't win the big games quote unquote until he had a running game. And then when they got out and they got him and they brought in Sorell Davis, all of a sudden, then boom, he wins back to back and then he rides off in the sunset.
01:58:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. I recently watched the Elway documentary documentary. If I could talk documentary on Netflix, I'm like, that's Josh Allen.
01:59:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Josh.
01:59:01
Speaker 1: That is a very fair because of his ability. The thing that Elway did that was so unique at that time was his ability to run and throw across his body mid stride. Was almost unforeseen. You know, Tarkent Dion probably could do it, but it was almost unforeseen at the time in which he came in Cunningham, but Cunningham didn't have the I don't think he had the arm strength, but not the precision that Elway did. But I would say Buffalo Baltimore are the two most desirable jobs that are available, followed probably by I think Pittsburgh would be very high on the list because of the solidarity. You know if you go to Pittsburgh that you're probably going to be there a long time because they don't like to cycle through coaches. I don't know why anybody Vegas would be of intrigue because you have the number one pick. Yep, depends on how much you like Mendoza. You can't have number one. You've got brock Bowers.
01:59:50
Speaker 3: That's it.
01:59:50
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got correct you have two solid pieces to support a young quarterback, Max Crosby, uh Cleveland and Arizona. Cleveland is just dumpster fire at the quarterback position. That's the problem there. And I don't necessarily even mean that from the standpoint of talent within the quarterback room, but just the you're con you got guys that everybody wants this guy or that guy or this guy that guy Arizona. I don't think they have any idea what they're gonna do with Kyler Murray, right right.
02:00:17
Speaker 2: Obviously that's somebody that's going to be on the move, it sounds like, but nothing you know for sure, just because of the contract that Kyler Murray's got. It's one of the worst contracts in the NFL and finding a team you know, willing to take that, and some of the question marks just around his character in terms of how much he has dedicated to the game. You know, there's been so much about you know, a call of duty clause or whatever in his contract extension, this, that, and the other. I'm interested on the Pittsburgh front of things, though, out of all the jobs that are still open because they had the oldest roster last year, they currently don't have a quarterback. I mean, they have Will Howard, who they drafted in what the fourth or fifth round this past April, but outside of that, there's there's not really a ton to work with offensively, Like, they don't have a marquee name wide receiver. Sure they have DK Metcalf, but DK Metcalf isn't really the superstar receiver that some of these other teams have.
02:01:15
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like Metcalf's also aging? Yeah, a little bit, like you know what I mean that the Sands running through the hourglass on that one.
02:01:21
Speaker 2: I did like their run game with Kenneth Gainwell and Jalen Warren this past year, but outside of that, there's just not a lot to be desired on the offense in side of the football.
02:01:31
Speaker 1: I think that we and I'm guilty of this. I talked a lot for a long time about how the running game and the running back position have become kind of obsolete in today's NFL, and I say that, But yet, if you look at Los Angeles, meaning the Rams, you look at Seattle for certain you know their ability to complementary use their running game to keep defenses at bay and then get their passing game going.
02:02:02
Speaker 6: Well.
02:02:02
Speaker 1: When you have some of the weapons that Sam Darnold has, when you have some of the weapons that Matt Stafford has, it's going to be tough anyway to corral that passing game. But then all of a sudden, they just kind of knife at you here and there in the running game and it changes things.
02:02:16
Speaker 3: It just does.
02:02:19
Speaker 1: It, and it makes it in Seattle is as good as anybody at it.
02:02:23
Speaker 4: Now.
02:02:23
Speaker 1: They may be banged up here and we'll see what happens moving forward, but you got to have the backs as well. And that's why I think you know that Vegas, for example, I don't know that you go running reliant, but running complimentary is certainly a good way of doing things, No question, about it will come back. Jmv's in the building. I saw him walking around. We'll do the crossover. We'll find out what he's got going as well. We'll do it on the other side. Of course. That's brought to you by Love Heating and Air Love dash HVAC dot com three one seven three five three twenty one forty one, over one hundred years in business for Love Heating and Air. I believe I'm correct in this. Do you know what this song and NASA have in common?
02:03:07
Speaker 3: Eddie?
02:03:07
Speaker 10: There would be no reason for you to know this, by the way, they're both out of this world. Yes, yes, you're actually correct, and I'll tell why I believe.
02:03:19
Speaker 1: I believe that I'm correct in this. I believe that NASA, or I think it was the NASA organization put together essentially a for lack of a better phrase, a time capsule, but basically an Earth capsule that they launched into orbit or released into orbit, and it has a number of trinkets to describe life on planet Earth. And it has in it in this because as if, like you know, somebody from the planet Enoch that discovers this is going to know how to work a CD player They're probably going to say, like, well, what the heck is this?
02:04:04
Speaker 3: Can I download this to my phone?
02:04:06
Speaker 1: But this floating box that's out in space contains a device to play music, and it has one disc with one song to describe what music is on planet Earth, and that song is Johnny be good by Chuck Berry. I'm ninety five percent certain that I'm correcting that. If not, then I just told the weirdest story ever on radio of something that I had some sort of dream or vision, like you know, after eating a bad meal before three forty eight.
02:04:36
Speaker 2: In the morning, which is entirely possible, or rating my snack drawer thinking you were getting peach gummies instead of.
02:04:44
Speaker 1: When's the next time? When's the next time you're going to be in Seattle?
02:04:47
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I don't know if for making the Seattle trip this year, we got a bigger trip planned a couple months.
02:04:53
Speaker 1: Oh where's that?
02:04:54
Speaker 4: Oh?
02:04:54
Speaker 1: I believe you told me this? Are you at Liberty two divorces?
02:04:57
Speaker 3: Not yet.
02:04:59
Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it, Jake. I don't want to jinx I want to make sure we are locked and loaded. But Te's and ies dotted and crossed before I make that announcement.
02:05:09
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
02:05:12
Speaker 4: The uh.
02:05:14
Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to ask you about this about Seattle. I thought about this. I try to be very conscientious of the listening audience and of the brand of the station and what we're doing.
02:05:25
Speaker 3: Right.
02:05:26
Speaker 1: I will readily admit I'm not necessarily a fan of the Seahawks, but I've always loved their uniforms. And as I mentioned before, the Seattle Seahawks when I was a kid were always the late game. They were always the four o'clock game from the Kingdome, and they weren't very good. They were okay, I mean they were always competitive, but Kingdome or Kingdom, that would be the Kingdome, the Kingdom of the Kingdome, right, And I have a fabulous shirt that you gave me that has the Kingdome on it that says Seattle.
02:05:53
Speaker 3: I love their colors.
02:05:54
Speaker 1: I love the gym Zorn uniforms, the green, the blue, you know all that, and what I see, even though now they haven't played indoors in forever, when I see the Seahawks play, it does kind of remind me of those those days, you know, with like a fire in the fireplace and watching it when I was a little kid, and so I've always kind of liked the Seahawks and I don't like, I don't dislike per Se, but the Rams are okay, they're cool. My buddy Andre Murray is a huge Rams fan. We got like a little I mean, they're cool. But I'm not a fan of the Patriots. I'm just kind of EH on the Patriots and I'm kind of EH on the Broncos. So I guess just by default, I'm like, yeah, I really do want to see Seattle win. And I have I think a total of I might have three or four Seahawks T shirts, and admittedly I have them because I like the look of it and I like the logo you got me one of them. Question is considering I'm doing a sports talk radio program in Indianapolis, Indiana, and they are the cults here in Indianapolis, Indiana, and people are Colts fans and they're watching on YouTube, thank you very much. When I'm doing the show here, is it like not cool if I wear a Seahawks T shirt on when I'm doing the show and I'm not doing it like in a I'm painting my face. Let's go Seahawks. Way as much as Yeah, like, I think they're like sporty and fashionable and it's cool they're playing.
02:07:19
Speaker 3: Eddie.
02:07:20
Speaker 1: I'll let you be the judge and jury on this. Your thoughts, if.
02:07:25
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, Jake, I was doing some production work back here, so I only call it Eddie. I'll bring you in on this, your thoughts. Going to assume it has something to do with just the Seahawks and their uniforms and their colors being one of the greatest and all the sports, and I would agree.
02:07:41
Speaker 1: Do you people are you hearing? Are you hearing what it is here? You know, in the song Civil War by Guns and Roses? Do you have the song civil War by Guns and Roses?
02:07:52
Speaker 3: Cute up, Betty?
02:07:53
Speaker 2: I don't have a cute up, Jake. It's not like I have these things just at my disposal here. I've got to search for it this time. You also did say earlier, Jake, that you know, the attention span of people is, you know, not as long as other as it used to be. And so you know, you lost me there for a second when you after you're talking about Seattle, what did I miss?
02:08:17
Speaker 1: Good and good and pop me up over here?
02:08:19
Speaker 2: If you could Okay, we've.
02:08:25
Speaker 3: Got here is failure.
02:08:31
Speaker 1: Some man, you just can't.
02:08:34
Speaker 3: I tried.
02:08:35
Speaker 1: I tried what we had here last week, which is the way.
02:08:40
Speaker 2: By the way, No.
02:08:41
Speaker 1: I was simply asking, I'll let listen, I'll let JMV answer. Okay, John, here's my question for you. You're sure. Yes. When I was a kid, and I don't know if you remember this or not, but in my memory football games when I was a kid on Sunday, the late game, the four o'clock game. Yeah, more often than not. In my memory, I allays remember seeing the Seattle Seahawks in the Kingdome. I don't know why, but I love their uniforms. Yeah, back then I thought they were cool. So I have a handful of Seahawks T shirts that I bought, mostly because I love the logo. Sure, but I'm like, you know what, I might as well give myself a rooting interest here down the stretch and I'll just follow the Seahawks here since they're still in it.
02:09:21
Speaker 3: But is it.
02:09:22
Speaker 1: Uncool if I wear a Seahawks T shirt doing a radio show in Indianapolis this week? I don't think so. Is it throwback too?
02:09:29
Speaker 4: Yeah?
02:09:29
Speaker 11: I think you can wear a throwback of anybody's Yeah, and it's not like the Seahawks are this huge rival of the Colts, and the Seahawks aren't keeping the Colts out of the postseason. The Colts are keeping the Colts right out of the post Yes, Sunburn, by the way, did I really I didn't think so, man, Really, huh. I had a good ass time down there, buddy. Let me tell you how much sleep did you get?
02:09:50
Speaker 1: Not much.
02:09:51
Speaker 11: I was on the bus that was struggling yesterday trying to get back here.
02:09:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:09:55
Speaker 11: I was between two dudes. It was like three bros. I was the last one of the plane on the way down and on the way back. I have no idea how that happens. Well, I dude, know, when I was going down, I was in the bar and then somebody said, hey, you know what, this is last call for your flight here, and I go okay, So I.
02:10:12
Speaker 1: Jumped on it. But I was last on coming back yesterday. So were you on an airline that had assigned seating or I was southwest?
02:10:22
Speaker 11: I was southwest, so the rest of the group when Allegiant I went southwest.
02:10:26
Speaker 3: So you were in the middle.
02:10:27
Speaker 1: I was.
02:10:27
Speaker 11: I was in the middle. I took the last seat on the plane available. It was full except for the seat that my ass sat down in. Yeah, you're the guy that everybody's like. You know, there were two good you know that there were two people that right there.
02:10:40
Speaker 1: This would be They're like, oh man, this would be huge if nobody shows up in this middle seat and they were both hanging incredibly as low as made too. It's like three hanging low bros. Back there.
02:10:49
Speaker 11: What person of that crowd was Indiana six sixty five? I said sixty five? I thought easily sixty five.
02:10:56
Speaker 1: Now, other than the foo bar of getting in the stadium, and I think you played it smart because you got there late and so it wasn't as heck. Shout out to Kyle Kinnett man.
02:11:04
Speaker 11: Yeah, for the driver, right he got He got me a driver and a black SUV and that guy got me out there thirty minutes before the kick and then he was to do it. He was waiting in the parking lot for me when I was done.
02:11:15
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it now. But how was the stadium? Is it a cool stadium? That's I think it's great. There's not a bad seat in the place, to be honest, yeah. The only thing there are no TVs in the concourse. It does weird look very big, like it doesn't look like it's a huge venue, you know. And that's my one complaint with Lucas Oil has always been it's so cavernous. It's just it's almost too bad.
02:11:33
Speaker 11: They have the F one race. They have a track. The F one track goes around the stadium.
02:11:38
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.
02:11:39
Speaker 11: You get to walk over that to go there. But I thought it was easy in and easy out. We actually beat the bus back by an hour and a half because it was me and Jaylaw who came back with me in this suv, and then two the people I were sitting next to, Mike and somebody else I apologize for not remember the name.
02:11:58
Speaker 1: They were just sitting.
02:11:59
Speaker 11: There and I said, hey, you got just want to get back quicker than going on this bus. They go, oh yeah, so they just now. The problem I had is I forgot where he parked, and I had to call him and go, hey, Lenny, I forgot where where am I here?
02:12:09
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember where he was at the parking lot.
02:12:11
Speaker 11: But we got out there okay, and he got back all of Zionsville Jake was in this diplomat hotel.
02:12:17
Speaker 1: I met everybody from Zionsville.
02:12:19
Speaker 3: Half a Hamilin County was up there too.
02:12:20
Speaker 1: It was incredible.
02:12:21
Speaker 2: Two quick things before we go, John, the happy belated birthday to Laney.
02:12:26
Speaker 1: Laney Lou was sixteen yesterday.
02:12:28
Speaker 2: Today it's my sister's birthday.
02:12:30
Speaker 1: So happy birthday, sister. That's awesome.
02:12:31
Speaker 11: A Blake is the twenty sixth and he's going to Miami Friday as a birthday gift.
02:12:35
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Yeah, Mike Thomas.
02:12:38
Speaker 2: Is going to Miami there.
02:12:41
Speaker 1: To get Lenny to drive him around. But no, thank you, Eddie. Lanny had a great sixteenth yesterday, So thank you. John's up next. You'll bring you home. We'll be back with you noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to Couring Company.
Speaker 1: Eddie with the official we need should we should do a song for each day of the week. Eddie, it's only been two years for us before the two of us collectively have had this epiphany. Now you had this about hump Day Wednesday, which is today. For Tuesday, I would say we would do Tuesday's Gone by Leonard Skinner, which is one of my all time favorite songs. But Tuesday's not gone on Tuesday. It feels like Tuesday's Gone would have to be the Wednesday, but we already have Wednesday covered, right.
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Speaker 2: That would be more of a theme for GMV since he's the last show on a Tuesday for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. We're also middle of the day. That's fair. What would Monday is? It would be Monday Monday. I mean, that's pretty easy, right, Manic Monday. Manic Monday's good. That's obviously more current but still obviously ancient. But it's less ancient than Monday Monday, and it's a little more upbeat.
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Speaker 3: Although I never understood.
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Speaker 1: Manic Monday because I think it actually describes a bunch of activity that's the opposite of manic. But I digress. Friday, we already have Friday taken care of So all we need now is Thursday. Right, Yeah, what would be Thursday's theme?
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Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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Speaker 1: Now, is this also a sign that I'm probably either irresponsible or whatever? But like, I consider Thursday's Friday now interesting. Like my buddy Hester and I go out every other Thursday. We meet at like a different place and just get a beer after work and sit and catch up on what's going on because we grew up together whatever else, and then we usually shan I usually go to dinner on a Thursday night. I consider Thursdays like the first Friday. But I still work hard on Friday. Don't get me wrong, you work hard.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. That actually is a fair question. It is a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon to you on a Wednesday, Honday, Wednesday. Eddie Garrison back in the mix. It is Querying Company here on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan and plenty to talk about today, plenty two talk about today because you have this, it's kind of like after Christmas. It's kind of like after New Year's you know, when Christmas comes, it's this build up for a month long. It's this month long build up of suspense and anticipation, and not knowing what's going to happen. Am I going to get the gift that I really wanted? Is so and so going to like the gift that I gave for them? There are so many events that lead up to it. I got a dinner here, I got Christmas lights here, I've got a show here, all kinds of stuff leading up to Christmas. There's just multiple steps, and then as you go along you realize it's getting closer and closer, and you love everything about it and you can't wait for it. And sometimes you open the package and it's everything you wanted, and sometimes you're like, man, it's kind of disappointing. I'll be honest with you. You never know, but it is awesome. It's adrenaline filled and at the same time, when it comes to Christmas, there's always kind of that letdown. But with Christmas, as soon as Christmas is over with you're like, but we have New Year's so yeah, like it's kind of a bummer because the big holiday's over with them. We got to wait another year, but still get to kind of take it easy at work because New Year's is coming up and we have New Year's Eve and New Year's Eve, even all of those things like.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Piccoley writing Fast Times a Ridgemont High.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Piccauley's always looking forward to the last fiesta of the year, right, But that's what a little bit of what the Indiana experience is about. It was a month long build up for Indiana fans. It was the trip to the Rose Bull, it was the trip to the Peach Bowl, it was the trip to the National Championship Game. It was this month long journey of euphoria and expectation, and you kind of don't know what's going to happen. You're hoping, but you don't know. And then it happens and it's perfect and everything works out perfectly, and you got the Red Rider bb gun and everything was perfect and you're like, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: And then the next day you're like, but is it over?
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Speaker 1: Now? You know that you have the celebration coming up on Saturday at Memorial Stadium, so you're like, New Year's I got a new thing to get to look forward to yet another festivity.
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Speaker 2: Make sure you layer up and it's supposed to be freezing this weekend.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be very long, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if that's why. It's because it's supposed to be in the single digits and the wind shills somewhere around zero, and there's the possibility of like a you know, a winter vortex as you call it. Yeah, polar vortex, Yeah, polar vortex.
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Speaker 1: It's only so this is Saturday at Memorial Stadium and I thought I saw Eddie Kurtman, I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but they're opening the lots around Memorial Stadium three hours in advance.
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Speaker 3: It makes you wonder.
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Speaker 1: And I know this is insane to say, because it is a university and it should be celebrated on the university campus. I totally get it. You would think Assembly Hall, but that's not going to hold. There's no way you can get everybody into Assembly Hall. So it almost feels like, should they say Lucas Oil Stadium, But you can't do that because it's got to be in Bloomington. I get it, it's for the students. I mean, it's a university. I totally understand it. But either way, my point being, now that Christmas is over with, you're basking in you know, you're still soaking it in. My man, Brian Jacobson is like telling me how like he's still getting people that are telling him like it's surreal, but it's real, and they're photoshopping T shirts for him. And by the way, you know, Eddie, there's folks selling the contraband trademark T shirt out at the airport.
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Speaker 3: I got to get my people.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, I've had ten thousand people as they're coming back, as people are coming back from Miami, and they're selling the shirt the trademark logo on it.
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Speaker 2: With is it your exact shirt that they're selling or a different variation.
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Speaker 1: No, it's my phrase, which is trademark.
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Speaker 2: Is this the same shirt that was on display at a significant sports merchandise store.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that merchandise store, which I like a lot. I've sent a letter to and there's there's talk there this is not It is the same sweatshirt, but not the same retailer. But nonetheless, nonetheless, I digress the shop is the official place to buy the trademarked shirt. But I go back and I digress. Everybody's soaking it in and I love it, all of it, But there is this little bit of a hangover. And that includes last night Indiana losing to Michigan in basketball and the big story, of course, and I know Purdue fans feel that we don't talk about Purdue enough. I understand it. They are one of the best teams, and I truly do believe at the end of the year will be the best team in college basketball. And they lost a tough one last night to UCLA, which we'll get into because Brian Neubert's going to join us and literally twenty five minutes from right now.
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Speaker 4: But the.
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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a conversation for a later time. And I've introduced this a little bit. I think it's naive, and I think it's presumptive, and I think it's too much in the immediacy to immediately start asking so is Indiana and now football school? Does this kill the basketball program? That's way too much of a knee jerk reaction. However, there is no doubt that two things I think have taken place. Number One, for the first time, you have a football program that was captivating people's attention and their dollars and their time well into the basketball season. That's virtually never happened in the history of Indiana football until last year.
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Speaker 3: But now it's even you know, another level.
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Speaker 1: But when I was in high school and did games for North Central on the radio. Apples and Oranges to everything we discussed today, I realize except for this. People used to ask me regularly, Jake, which sport do you like calling better? Football games are basketball games? And I would always say, you know, during football season, i would say football, but then during basketball season, I'm like, no, no, it's basketball. So right now, because we're living in the moment of the football National Championship for Indiana, what I'm about to say, probably I would change my mind if all of a sudden, now I look outside and in sixty degrees and its selection Sunday and we're getting ready for the NCAA tournament. But as someone who grew up a diehard Indiana fan and then in college, my freshman year in college, Indiana went to the Final four, and midway through my college career, Indiana had Calper chaining their ranked number one, you know they probably could and should have won the tournament if everything lined up for them. It was a euphoria. It was a drug that I could never get enough of in terms of the success of Indiana University basketball, because I just simply loved looking on the television and seeing where it said Indiana with a little number one next to it.
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Speaker 3: I loved it.
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Speaker 1: I loved everything about it, and I was fortunate enough in my lifetime to see three national championships. Now the seventy six to one, I don't It would be disingenuous to say that I actively understood what was going on.
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Speaker 3: I was three and a.
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Speaker 1: Half, but by eighty one I absolutely did. And eighty seven eighth grade the pinnacle of your sport fandom, for sure. But from the college football side of things, open disclaimer, I think most people know it. I've always been a Clemson fan, especially in my early adult years to present, And there is when Clemson first broke through and got there to the point. And I know that they won a national championship in nineteen you know, eighty one, I get it, eighty two, eighty two, eighty one season, you know, whichever way you want to look at it, I get that. But what I'm saying is when they first broke through and started getting to the college football semifinals in the four team format, and they got there and they lost to Alabama. That game was played in Phoenix. And then the next year they broke through again and they got to Tampa, and I went to Tampa and I had I bought all the T shirts from each step of the way. Oh my gosh, Sugar Bowl champions, they beat Notre Dame in the semifinals. You know, Orange Bowl champions, they beat Ohio State in the semifinals. All of that, I had all the T shirt, all the gear, all the way. And then as the years went on, not because of complacency and not be but literally from a dollars standpoint, eventually it was like, man, I mean I got like all these sweatshirts and T shirts, which is wonderful, but you over the course of the years, the high, it's like chasing that original high.
00:10:54
Speaker 3: You've got it.
00:10:54
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's difficult, but that first breakthrough winning it in college football, I'm not certain. I think it may be more euphoric than winning the college basketball national championship, partially because even though in basketball it's a six game, six win tournament, it almost feels like it is a bigger task and it's more difficult to win in football because in college basketball, yes, if you are a number one seed or if you've had like perdue this year, you're going to play probably a sixteen seed to open build your own joke. I realize you win that, and then you play the winner of the nine eight game, so you're playing a ten loss team out of the Big twelve or the American Conference or whatever. Then you get to you win that, you get to the Sweet sixteen. Now you're playing a team that's a five seed that probably finished fourth in the SEC. You should win that game, and then the Elite eight. Things get pretty real and you got three games, just like you do. I guess in football you have three games you've got to win, but all three of them from the get go. I mean Indiana from the get go. It was a gauntlet of the biggest of the big right away in that tournament because it's a shortened tournament obviously, But I just think that there is like this euphoria that happens with the football aspect of it, where now there are probably a lot of Indiana fans that are like, man, I'm not certain that's not a greater thrill than winning it in basketball, and people are probably like Jake, your moron, I'd rather win in basketball, You'd rather win in both.
00:12:28
Speaker 3: I get it.
00:12:30
Speaker 1: But last night with Indiana playing Michigan and Purdue playing UCLA. There was such this still euphoric haze over the city about Indiana winning it in football and that was still the topic of discussion, and Alberta Mendoza in the transfer portal and everything else that it was like, Man, it is crazy how quickly basketball kind of took a back seat for a minute. And it's regular season versus postseason. I get it. But my question simply is this, and that is as Indiana's basketball program, as we expected would be the case at this point, is still trying to get itself going, new coach, new roster, roster that had to be put together at the last minute, and it looks like it certainly has flaws. But the impatience that the basketball program that the fans would have had for the basketball program if Indiana football was what it normally is right now, is it a blessing or a curse for Indiana basketball. Are they getting more time because people are like, yeah, I haven't even paid attention or is it the curse of people like I don't know that I'll pay attention that much anymore because I'm all in on football, Or can you have both? Now, Eddie, you're a IU fan, right correct you. How much did you watch of last night's game?
00:13:46
Speaker 2: I don't think I watched a single minute.
00:13:49
Speaker 3: Were you?
00:13:49
Speaker 1: And I mean this not as a knock on you. I think I'm using you as the barometer. Did you know they were playing?
00:13:54
Speaker 2: I didn't know they were playing last night?
00:13:56
Speaker 1: Yes, Now Purdue Ucla is one that I will it I partially because the time change, the time difference, right, I was, I was like, oh gosh, I forgot Purdue and Ucla played and it was a great game. And Ucla closed on a seven tozhing run. And you know, I do think that. And we're going to get into this more over the course of today. The travel aspect of it does become a factor. But we knew this about the Big Ten and its expansion. But my point simply is this, with this hangover, and I mean hangover in a good way, this continued euphoria of the football program for Indiana, is this now indeed a football school, which is a little ridiculous to say, because it's one year.
00:14:43
Speaker 3: I realize.
00:14:44
Speaker 2: Would you like to know why I didn't want to watch the game last night? Or I didn't I didn't want to be frustrated after the I didn't want the high of that championship game wearing off by watching that team last night in ann Arbor, So I knew I'd get frustrated with.
00:14:56
Speaker 1: It, Uh, Jake, Let's be honest. A great point. How long has it been since IU was a basketball school? They should be a soccer or baseball school, if anything. Excellent point when you say basketball school, they're only a handful of these probably, and you know, Purdue is an interesting one. We'll get to Purdue it a second.
00:15:19
Speaker 2: You can make the case they have been a basketball school, just not a men's basketball school. The women's team has had by far more success.
00:15:27
Speaker 1: You're talking about Purdue, right, No, IU? Oh will Purdue last five years? Purduce women's program has been very good, but so two of their men. Yes, you are right about the IU women, right. But when you say basketball school, here are the basketball schools I'm going off the top of my head. Okay, the Big East obviously because most of them don't have football, But Duke, Kansas, Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana, and then the you know obviously Gonzaga and Saint Mary's. You know, Yukon, Yukon, Yukon for sure, And what I mean by that is these are schools that financially and fan support based prioritized to basketball, and Indiana always prioritized basketball. From a donor standpoint, people that donated money to the Indiana University Athletic Department were donating so that they could improve their lot for basketball tickets. People that gave money to Indiana were doing it even in the nil standpoint, in the initial aspect of it, primarily because they were thinking of basketball and getting basketball recruits. And when people went out and bought merchandise for the school and they were wearing an Indiana T shirt. You see a guy in Key West wearing a Kentucky shirt, You're like, oh, you a Kentucky fan. He's like, absolutely die hard. What he means is I'm a diehard Kentucky basketball fan. And the same has always been true of Indiana. Now, Purdue I still think of even though Purdue is the best college basketball program in terms of consistency over the last decade, one of the best, I think the best of it, one of the best, and a model of every way that you would want your program run and everything you would want out of a basketball program.
00:17:15
Speaker 3: At Painter's got.
00:17:16
Speaker 1: It roll in at Purdue, and I'm a huge fan of Purdue mat Painter, Elliot Bloom and what they do. But I still think of Purdue to an extent as a football school because there is so much of just the heritage and the tradition of Purdue that is still based around the legacy and the lore of their football program and the cradle of quarterbacks and rass Aid and all and always having games, you know, big games under the lights on national TV and et cetera.
00:17:41
Speaker 3: I don't.
00:17:41
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that that is equated to success for them, but that's how it feels for me. But the reason I say this about Indiana is because after last well I say last night, the last forty eight hours, but more so after the last eight weeks and to some extent year, I think that Indiana's athletic department has been open about the fact that their support, their resources maybe are not prioritized football over basketball, but rather at the very least it's fifty to fifty and that's never been the case before. And it does feel to me like they are in an interesting period here where there is the possibility that just the overall interest level of the fan base certainly in the last three months has shifted to football, and now it's a question as to whether or not that comes back. And in today's society, in today's world, you only have so long a period of time to recapture that kind of thing before we live in a short attention span society. And Indiana basketball, if they don't get things going here their best win of the year so far as Kansas State, who's not upholding their end of the bargain. And so while Indiana from the metrics standpoint is supposedly you know, positive basketball wise, they need to start putting together some good wins.
00:19:21
Speaker 3: And last night they were never in that game. There's nothing wrong with that.
00:19:24
Speaker 1: Michigan's darn good, I get it, but they just were never really in that game.
00:19:29
Speaker 2: It's just been the theme lately, it feels like with Darren Dereze's team Jake, is that they haven't really been overly competitive in some of these games, like they were in the game against Nebraska at home in the first half, had a sixteen point lead in the second half, and then these second halfs lately, this last you know, two to three week stretch have just been brutal, like they haven't been able to close out games, and that's been the biggest reason as to why these games haven't been fun to watch. It for IU is they can compete for twenty minutes, they cannot compete for the second twenty minutes, and that's the next element to it. And last night, Jake, one of your favorite players, Tayton Connorway, I think he went down injured because he only played two minutes so and I know he got hurt in their game prior to Michigan. I can't remember who it was he rolled his ankle, But I don't know if that's another something else to watch. And if they're going to be missing one of their one of the few guys who's been consistent for them this season, then it's gonna get even worse with Purdue next, you.
00:20:25
Speaker 1: Know the Again, I go back to this, Eddie, I just think that in Scott Dolson basically said this on the Morning show as he has been kind enough to join the guys in the morning with James, Jeff and Kevin and Mark Dyden in the morning. You know, he he kind of insinuated we're in a new era in terms of the resources from a financial standpoint, as to where we're allocating it now with football, and I totally understand it. You look at the Big Ten television contract, the television contract for the Big Ten, which nets each team millions of dollars.
00:21:02
Speaker 3: I can't remember the number.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: We could look it up, but I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of like fifty five millions something like that per year that each school receives in the Big Ten from the television contract. And that television contract which includes basically every network NBC and Peacock, Fox, the Big Ten network which is part of Fox, ABC, ESPN, I mean all of them essentially. At some point the Big Ten is dabbling their toe with every network and getting a slice of that money. All the way around. That money is football driven. The Big Ten expansion.
00:21:35
Speaker 3: I know.
00:21:35
Speaker 1: I've said this one hundred times. Ucla USC Washington, Oregon that was all football driven. Ucla has more national championships in basketball than any other school in the country, and the Big Ten was like, oh, yeah, great, that's gravy. What about their football program? What can we do to get more people at the Rose Bowl? Because the Big Ten took on Ucla only because the Big Ten actively and ad generally pursued USC, and USC said, look, if you're going to eventually get Oregon because of their football money and their Nike money, you've got to partner Oregon with a travel partner, and then you've got to partner US with a travel partner. And they said, okay, we'll make that UCLA. And they brought in UCLA because they wanted USC football, and they brought in Oregon because they wanted Oregon football. Oregon's got a good basketball program. Dn Aubman's a great coach, great coach, and the Big Ten's like, yeah, okay, cool, but what about it. Let's go back to talking about football. What how much are you going to wear this year? All of this is driven by football. And so Indiana figured out with the NIL and the portal era. Look all of the money, our conference, our television deals, all of it are driven by football. And yes, it's wonderful that we're a basketball school, but you know what doesn't pay in terms of the money that comes in basketball compared to football. And it's like in Shaw Shank Redemption when it comes to football toil how the money. Well that is such a good movie. I am thrilled. Eddie Shaw Shank redemption is going to be for you, Eddie Garrison, Okay, what you reborn nineteen ninety eight, Shaw Shank redemption will be for you like Indiana fans watching that game and that interception to seal the national championship in football, or you watching the Cincinnati Reds when a home game in Game seven. You're gonna watch it and say, I had never seen this, but this literally is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
00:23:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:23:39
Speaker 2: I don't think he would compare to seeing the Reds win a game seven World Series.
00:23:44
Speaker 1: I understand, but it is a level of greatness that you have yet to see.
00:23:48
Speaker 2: That that's, like all you football Jake, A miracle.
00:23:51
Speaker 1: It was a miracle. I mean, it's been a two Here's the thing. It wasn't the underdog, plucky miracle story people are making it out to be because they were real good last year and they're really good this year, right, I mean, but yes, it is a miracle in totality when you consider where they've come from. Last night though, Purdue Ucla, what went wrong for the Boilers down the stretch because Ucla close strong and Brian Neubert, who's going to join us from Golden Black. Next, I believe he's in Lax. Brian Neubert. We'll talk a little about the game, but we got to talk also about the fact that he has the same level of fascinating interest and hobby as I and I was literally, I'm like kindred spirit, this guy brother from another mother. When I saw what he did in La he likes going to cemeteries even better. We'll explain next. So Brian Nubert is at Lax. Is he at Lax or is he in Denver?
00:24:45
Speaker 3: Already?
00:24:46
Speaker 2: Lax We discussed a different time and he said I might be able to do that. I might be a my I might be at Denver for my connecting flight, my layover, but I'm not sure. I was like, well, can you do twelve thirty before you're flying out from Lax to Denver. He goes, yeah, sure, I can make that work.
00:25:04
Speaker 1: So we'll check in with Brian just a second before he gets to Denver, which is, you know, Denver. And this is another thing Brian and I can talk about. The Denver Airport is like all linked to the Illuminatis you know, yes, yeah, an you way too, huh, even the new one. Talking about the new one, the new airport in Denver. And this goes back to if you've been to the new Denver Airport, they have a huge bronco when you pull into the airport and it has these like ruby red eyes and the I don't even think this is rumor.
00:25:35
Speaker 3: It's a terrible, unfortunate fact. There was i'll say, allegedly a.
00:25:41
Speaker 1: Worker during the development of that huge bronco at the airport that was fatally injured in an accident building that bronco. And then somehow or another, you know, some website in deep dark places of the web that probably I'm glad I don't know a lot about. There's a bunch of people that believe that the Denver Airport is attached to the Illuminati and has all kinds of hidden tunnels and all kinds of weird stuff. But Brian Nuberg joins us. Now excuse me, Java House Pielaport guest line perdue last night short in against UCLA. Brian, I'm going to ask before we get to the real topic of discussion, which is you and I have the same interest when driving around Los Angeles.
00:26:22
Speaker 3: But let's talk basketball first.
00:26:24
Speaker 1: Mick cronin last night and we'll play this coming up, was very open about his displeasure for the travel for Ucla. They kind of had to know what they were signing up for. How much of last night's close for Ucla against Purdue, if you were going to chalk it up to anything, was fatigue or travel anyway a factor for Purdue and not being able to close last night?
00:26:46
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. Purdue plays a lot of guys. I think that they're built to close from a basketball perspective, I think you have to give you See a lot of credit for closing out.
00:26:56
Speaker 4: The way they were.
00:26:56
Speaker 5: You know, they had reason to be desperate, and I think they kind of I'd like it. And you know, pretty turned the ball over at the wrong time, and that's sort of the common denominator when Purdue loses games the last five years or so, it's almost always heavily involved. It's heavily involved turnovers, turnovers that come in bunches, you know, things like that. And they turned the ball over twice in the last two minutes after they're up six. You know, Braden Smith would tell you, and this adds up that his arm got hit on the one that he picked sixth to Tray Coffin ran, but that's neither here nor there.
00:27:33
Speaker 4: I had anything to do with it.
00:27:36
Speaker 5: I think it was Ucla and it was a seventeen percent three point shooter making a big three in a big moment.
00:27:43
Speaker 3: I thought last night, And.
00:27:46
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong here, I thought down the stretch that and I really for that game, open disclaimer, only really saw it down the stretch. I thought Purdue defensively struggled is maybe the wrong word, but they allowed UCLA's gods to get into operating area for them, and typically Purdue clamps down, Like if you look at what they did against USC, they were able to make plays against USC down the stretch that they did not do against Ucla. How much of Ucla last night, who themselves were coming off kind of an arduous travel schedule, how much of it was simply Ucla schematically might have found something that worked against Purdue. And is there any concern that others could copycat, if you will, anything that may have worked well.
00:28:29
Speaker 5: Produe is big, They've got big centers, and that they have a big power forward. Everybody's going to Everybody tries to go after that. Everybody tries to put them in pick and pop stuff. Everybody tries to iso their big guys, and not everybody has Donovan Vent, so they can try to They can try to replicate it all they want, but you know, pulling it off is another thing. Donovan Dent was a superhero last night. Obviously, Tyler Billodeou can really stretch the floor and make threes, and that's a pretty tough time nation to guard when you're big. It's a pretty tough combination of guard period. So people can try to replicate it, and people will try to replicate it, but whether or not they can pull it off with their personnel is kind of the other question.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: You know, Oscar.
00:29:14
Speaker 5: Cluff's kind of putting a tough spot there because he has to hedge Donovan Dent to prevent him from getting the lane, but then he's got to recover to Tyler Bilodeau. That's a really big ask for a six foot eleven, two hundred and fifty pound guy. I know, people, I'm sure people are wondering why Jack Benner wasn't on the floor to switch screens things like that. Matt Painter's gonna ride with his seniors. That means having Tray cooff and round on the floor at the end of the game for rebounding and experience, and had you had Benner out there, that would mean Coffin Rn comes out. You have Benner on Tyler Billadeaux and then Oscar cluffs at the rim. Every decision you make in a game that close is the wrong one. So yeah, it's a situation where everybody's trying to attack, produce size on the perimeter. Everybody will continue to try to attack produce size on the perimeter, and it's just a matter of whether or not they can pull it off the rest of the way.
00:30:12
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, Brian, because when you when you think about Purdue, you know, you look at it and this is the sign of a great team. Anytime they lose, you think, what in the world happened? What's going on? What's the you know, is there a problem? Is there turmoil? You have seen this group and the maturation of this group. How much I guess mental resolve did they have? Not that going out and losing the game to the UCLA is some huge deal, right, But are they the ted Lasso Goldfish? Is this a group that says, you know what? Yeah, so we dropped one, but we got Illinois coming up. We got to turn it around, and then we got Indiana at Indiana, which is a rivalry game. No problem. Back on the focus, what has been your observation of this group of handling the occasional adversity.
00:30:59
Speaker 5: Well, well, I don't know what a ted Lasso goldfish is, so I can't comment on.
00:31:03
Speaker 3: Man, have you not seen Ted Lasso?
00:31:05
Speaker 4: No, I have not.
00:31:06
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso says you got to be a goldfish, meaning that you can't have a memory.
00:31:11
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I think Purdue has memories, and I think they have been through every experience imaginable as a group together and they have almost always responded really well. You've never seen one loss become two losses become three losses. They've always been really professional about these things. They've always been really steady and really confident, and their messaging after losses has always been refined, and they've always been fine. So I think this is a situation where you don't panic. I think Purdue is fine. I'm sure they think they're fine. They just had a bad last two minutes of the game on.
00:31:48
Speaker 4: The road.
00:31:50
Speaker 5: In a league where you have to bake in road losses, you don't know when they're going to come. You don't know where they're going to come, but you know they're going to come. And I think a couple of years ago, when Pretty lost at Northwestern in December, you know, in the UH, I think double overtime, it seemed like the end of the world. You know. I think when the expectations are higher around your program, the social media discussion gets a little overheated at times, and there's no way that doesn't get the players.
00:32:21
Speaker 4: It's just kind of the world we live in.
00:32:23
Speaker 5: But when the sky's falling, you know, I think that Purdue generally kind of handles that really well.
00:32:32
Speaker 4: And that Northwestern game was.
00:32:34
Speaker 5: Nothing, and that team went on to be as professional and consistent and unimpressed with itself as probably any team I've ever seen, and they ended up going on to the Final four and won the league by a mile. And I'm not necessarily saying that's guaranteed to happen for this team, but I don't think one loss is going to bleed into the next couple of games.
00:32:58
Speaker 6: Here.
00:32:58
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it was a two minutes and I don't think it's any cause for any sort of alarm. That doesn't mean there's not going to be alarm among people who are alarmists, but among the people who matter, I don't think there's gonna be any sort of panic whatsoever.
00:33:15
Speaker 3: Brian.
00:33:16
Speaker 1: Someone passed this along to me, and I'm hoping that I'm reading this correctly. Okay. Someone passed along to me that you had posted in a message board that while in Los Angeles you did drive past the spot of the infamous OJ crime scene, allegedly because you are quote a demented person who's into places of infamy. Was that your post? Yes, outstanding? Okay, So I'd like to know where else you've been in LA because you're talking to Basically, I could run my own tour service of infamous places that where terrible things have happened but yet I have a fascination with them across the United States, and you and I could do a five hour podcast on this perhaps.
00:33:56
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:33:56
Speaker 5: So on my first of my two days off, I let's see, I started at Sofi Stadium, tried.
00:34:03
Speaker 4: To see the Intuit Dome.
00:34:05
Speaker 5: I didn't think I could get in there, so I didn't try.
00:34:09
Speaker 4: And then I drove.
00:34:11
Speaker 5: Up the coast to Santa Monica, up through Manhattan Beach and all that stuff, and tried to get into Dodger Stadium. Couldn't get in there, it's gated up. Drove through Chinatown because of the movie. What else did I do? Drove through Hollywood a little bit. I've been there before, but I just wanted to refresh my memory and it wasn't a positive refreshment of my memory. Just kind of drove around all day, and then yesterday I wanted to drive by the recording studio where Sublime recorded their self titled album many many years ago. Couldn't really see anything from the roads.
00:34:59
Speaker 1: So so far a fruitful trip.
00:35:02
Speaker 5: Kind of kept moving, and then when I got up to Ucla, I just drove around some more, went by the OJ house. Didn't want to get too far out of my out of my region for fear of hitting on predictable traffic and being late for the game.
00:35:19
Speaker 4: So I just kind of drove around.
00:35:20
Speaker 5: Ucla for a while. That was pretty much it. Okay, So did you go by the far as much ground as I could? Did you go by OJ's house which is no longer there? Or did you go past the condo where the crime took place? I went by the I went by the crime scene on on Bundy.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Yeah, and now where there are people like gawking around because the owner now has put up like a mini wall.
00:35:43
Speaker 3: Correct.
00:35:46
Speaker 5: I couldn't, you know, I was driving by, there was traffic. I couldn't really stop and gawk, and I would have felt funny about that anyway.
00:35:53
Speaker 1: So I no, you got to do the quarry stopping gok to it. As a matter of fact, that's the name of my tour, the stopping gawk. I mean I can take you there, I can take you past the Manson scenes.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: We can do I mean, I can do the whole thing.
00:36:03
Speaker 1: If you're into oh the Mansons forgough about that. I mean you were right, listen, Brian, I'm not I'm not by any means calling you a stop in Gawk Novice. But if you were at the UCLA campus in bel Air, you were basically at the base of the canyon where the lobby or where the the Tate residence was, where the Manson murders took place, and you were around the corner from the Lobbyanca residence. But you know, again, I don't want to And it's not like I found out where spawn Ranch was and went there and found the Manson cave. In those sorts of I mean that would be totally demented.
00:36:34
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna have to change his flight and get my own far back.
00:36:39
Speaker 1: Now, okay, sough tore back to the Les macabb and I'm assuming that you have been there before. But UCLA's campus is unbelievable. Now poly Pavilion, to me, was a little underwhelming. But the campus itself, literally every blade of grass is perfectly green. It is like totally uniform, and you ask yourself why anybody would go in anywhere else after making an on campus visit. That was my impression. But what say Brian.
00:37:04
Speaker 5: Nuberg, unbelievable campus and the people who go there must have the strongest like thigh muscles. Yes, ever, because everywhere you go, it's it's up a hill, it's down a hill, it's up a hill, down, it's down a hill.
00:37:18
Speaker 4: And it is. But it is absolutely picturesque.
00:37:22
Speaker 5: Paul Pavilion, you never would have known that was the building they were playing in in the sixties. You would have thought that they just built that thing ten years ago. It looked so modern. I think they probably did what Purdue did and they kind of retrofitted the old arena into a more modern shell.
00:37:38
Speaker 4: But there's not a whole lot of easily apparent evidence of the old building.
00:37:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, I bet that.
00:37:48
Speaker 1: And but you know, because you walk in and you're expecting to just like feel history, and I don't know that you feel that. It's more like you feel like multi sport, you know, complex or whatever else.
00:37:57
Speaker 5: But yeah, you're expecting Hincklefield correct that you get the shot in Steam Center.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. All right, Brian, enjoy looking at the macab of the Illuminati things in the Denver airport when you have your layover and.
00:38:11
Speaker 3: Safe travels back.
00:38:13
Speaker 4: All right, Jake, Thanks man I.
00:38:14
Speaker 1: Brian Nuberg joining us from lax Purdue last night on the short end against UCLA. All right, coming up, we are going to talk with Dustin. Now, what time is Dustin? Did you say he's at two? Okay, Mike Nysa look at one o'clock right, That is correct. We'll find out the order of events for the Indiana celebration. And we need to get into what Mick Cronan said because he said something very very curious, did Mick Cronan? And it ties into what we were talking about earlier. We'll get to it here. Coming up.
00:38:45
Speaker 3: The sharp dressed man.
00:38:46
Speaker 1: Mick Cronan kind of is that when he's on the sidelines, he does wore a coat and tied. Is he not as the head coach for UCLA he does.
00:38:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the few coaches anymore.
00:38:54
Speaker 1: One thing that I will readily admit that is a mental hurdle of Jake Querry. I have forever confused Mick Cronan and Chris Mack in terms of where they previously coached. Mick Cronan, Xavier and then UCLA Chris Mack. Since no Mick Cronan Cincinnati, Ucla, Chris Mack, Xavier, Louisville. Right, Yes, always get those confused. But last night, and he's been on this for a while, and open disclaimer, I don't know Mick Cronan.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: However, by the way, Chris Mack College of Charleston.
00:39:37
Speaker 1: Currently or previously currently College of Charleston had to coach by the name of John Crest that in like nineteen ninety five, I wrote him a letter telling him how impressed I was the fact he had an eighty two percent winning percentage and I thought he would be a good coach at Indiana. When Bob Knight retired and he actually wrote me back, was like, that's a great compliment, thank you. Maybe he was the Kurt Signetti that we didn't know about. But Mick Cronin when I did when Lance Stevenson was drafted by the Pacers or sometime during that time, we had on Mick Cronin, Derek and I did to discuss Lance Stevenson's time in Cincinnati, and he was fabulous.
00:40:13
Speaker 3: He was great, he was engaging, he was totally cool.
00:40:16
Speaker 1: But he has been very outspoken about his displeasure with the travel when it comes to the Big Ten for UCLA. And he also said something very interesting at the end of this clip. This is last night after UCLA's went over Purdue.
00:40:30
Speaker 7: I want to thank to Big Ten for giving us five of our first seven on the road, bringing Purdue here on Thursday night, where we don't get back to in LA till Saturday night, and giving us the team pick to win the league on a two days rest after five of our first.
00:40:46
Speaker 1: Seven on the road.
00:40:47
Speaker 7: I really I want to thank the Big Ten for that. It couldn't be much worse. Couldn't be much worse. Hey, I don't think they care about basketball. That's just my opinion. B. You know, look, man, and they ain't moving the city of Los Angeles. I don't want them to, and they damn sure I ain't moving Ucla and I don't want them to. They were in the league in the Midwest, so as that's just gonna be what it's gonna be. But you ain't got to play five of your first seven on the road and then come home and get the team picked to win the league. On two days rest, I had two Hall of Fame coaches sent me a text, why do you play Perdue tonight? I just saw you play Saturday at Ohio State. I said, I'll give you one better. They've been here since Thursday.
00:41:28
Speaker 3: Okay, and they won?
00:41:31
Speaker 4: Right?
00:41:32
Speaker 1: But he is correct, there's your answer right there. First off, it does surprise me, I'll be honest with you, when all of this expansion was being discussed and UCLA and USC to the Big ten and BYU two is what league is?
00:41:59
Speaker 3: BYU?
00:42:00
Speaker 1: Now are they like in the Big twelve? And then isn't West Virginia also in the Big twelve? Or South Florida is in the Big twelve?
00:42:09
Speaker 3: Maybe? Am I right about that? Like?
00:42:12
Speaker 1: Like BYU and South Florida play or California playing in the ACC. He's correct, But at the same time, everyone knew this was going to happen. Everyone knew this. During all of this, everyone was asking, wait a minute, how are they going to handle this from a travel standpoint? How are they going to handle this logistically? And all of us were told. All of us were told, we got that figured out. Don't worry about it. It'll be fine. This is the expansion of these leagues because of the interest in the leagues, and the Big Ten has always been the forefront because of the Big Ten network, in the footprint of going across the country and everything else, and oh how the money rolls in. And Mick Cronin's correct, it's all about football. It's all about football. Why do you think Why do you think Indiana all of a sudden went out and got Kurtz Signetti and their national champions and Indiana's football stadium looked like the Rose Bowl does.
00:43:17
Speaker 3: Four years ago.
00:43:18
Speaker 1: Four years ago on an Indiana October game against Akron or whatever, there's thirty thousand people. There are twenty five thousand people there the Rose Bowl. In a regular season game for UCLA, there's twenty five thousand people there thirty thousand people there, and Indiana saw that and said, you know what, the money is coming from the football side of things, so we got to go and put our resources. And that's why Indiana flipped the script within their own department and said, football is suddenly going to be our source of relevance. We're going after we are going to be dominant in football. When I say dominant, I don't mean necessarily on field of the original thought, but we are going to football is going to dominate our focus financially speaking, within our athletic department. He's exactly right. And you know what, Mick, I hate saying it like you're late to the party.
00:44:10
Speaker 3: You should have.
00:44:10
Speaker 1: Figured that out when you played last year in Bloomington against Indiana and looked up and saw that the balconies were empty, and then looked down and saw that the Indiana football team was ranked within the top ten and made the College Football Playoff. That should have told you right there what athletic departments in the Big ten are prioritizing. And in terms of the travel, He's probably not wrong in the lunacy of it all. But when you're talking about that number of schools over those many states and that many thousands of miles between them. There's always going to be some sort of outlier piece to the jigsaw puzzle that just doesn't quite fit when you're trying to figure those schedules out. And yes, I feel for him, but at the same time, what in the heck did he think was going to happen? Well, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, they got nobody to complain to because they if they didn't know this going in, I don't know what to tell them, but it is true football. Whyse you get a week and you play one game a week, You don't play two in a week, three in a week, whatever. But it all goes back to the Bob Knight rant at Wisconsin on ESPN back in nineteen eighty seven. You know, we got ESPN all they care about. These kids got class in the morning and we're here at nine o'clock playing in Wisconsin and da da da da. And then where did Bob Knight go as soon as he quit coaching with DESPN?
00:45:34
Speaker 3: You know why?
00:45:34
Speaker 1: Because they got money. Money talks. Money talks, So too is Mike Nisilik from the Bloomington Herald Times, and he joins us next any had a last night short end of things basketball at Michigan I think probably doesn't overly stun anyone. Football, of course, still events going on for the national champion.
00:45:56
Speaker 3: I what year will it be at EE.
00:45:59
Speaker 1: Before it becomes just like normal to say, like, yeah, the national champion Indiana Hoosiers.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: It's a great question after they do it again next year.
00:46:10
Speaker 1: And this is what always confuses me from a football standpoint. This is what always confuses me from a football standpoint. Indiana, Are they the twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six national champions? You know, it's like the Colts when the Colts won the Super Bowl. With you go by this season, I realize Indiana's the twenty twenty five national champion, even though they won the championship almost a month into twenty twenty six. It thoroughly confuses me. And I always get you know, when the Clemson years, Alabama years, whatever, people are like, oh, the nineteen LSU team, and I'm like, well, was that twenty nineteen or twenty twenty because that was the last.
00:46:53
Speaker 3: One right before, And I get totally confused.
00:46:56
Speaker 1: But Indiana is your twenty twenty five national championship despite the fact that's in January of twenty twenty six when they wont it joining us now, Java House Peel and poor guest Line. Java house dot com is the website. Jake twenty five is the discount code for twenty five percent off. Mike Nizelik joins us from the Bloomington Herald Times, and Mike, let's get to this the the order of events before we go back and take a look at everything that's happened here, the upcoming schedule, if you will, for Indiana fans as it relates to continuing to soak in everything with this football team. What is upcoming now in terms of the celebrations.
00:47:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, some players are making some appearances around town. I know, Mint Fernana Mendoz is going to be out at the Bloomington Dick Sporting Goods, you know, some stuff like that. But I mean the biggest thing will be Saturday. Obviously, they have a celebration plans, I believe at Memorial Stadium. I don't know if like a sort of itinerary has been out, but you know they've released some details about when fans can get there, you know, timing of the events. So that'll be the big kind of blowoff, and then obviously players will start kind of going their separate ways as they you know, a lot of these guys get ready for you know, they graduated a ton of seniors and obviously a lot of draft hopeful so they'll be on their way to sort of solidify their draft stock.
00:48:17
Speaker 1: Now I'm curious of this, and I don't know if you know this or not, but I saw that it's only a thirty minute thing happening on Saturday, correct at Memorial Stadium.
00:48:29
Speaker 8: I did not see the exact time because I was flying this morning and did not see I thought, I mean, I would assume, like I thought, maybe an hour would be what it would be, but I did not see it exactly.
00:48:41
Speaker 3: The weather's going to be brutal, So that's the reason I asked.
00:48:43
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the yeah, And I know, I get it, Mike. It's it's hard. You know, there's really kind of nowhere to do. You know what exactly is planned? Is it just a stage, couple of speeches, trophy presentation, and then you know, throw some toilet.
00:48:56
Speaker 8: I would assume that they were they were still formulating those plans when they got kind of on the plane you know, on on Monday, because they didn't I mean on Tuesdays they didn't fly back. They had a winners press conference, they were still in Miami Tuesday morning, didn't get back to I mean you saw kind of videos of obviously them kind of the buses they flew the back into Minneapolis, so that was still being worked out. And you know, like this is all sort of you know, there's no manual in place right right, like this is all like new thing. You know, we didn't know that's on page fifty five our championship celebrations for football, Like this is all new territories. So they're started working through that. And I mean, like you said, I mean the timing of it. You got kids that have to kind of go on. You got the coaching staff sort of moving on now. You know, they've got things they've got to accomplish here before you know, the next couple of weeks when they do get some time off. So you don't have a lot of options. I mean, really Saturday and Sunday were it. And I mean the weather doesn't look like it's going to be cooperating, but I mean that's really the window you had. Uh, it's just kind of the nature of the beast. Yeah, I guess it is. I'm looking at one one thirty. Yes, I mean that's it'll be brief, probably because the weather's probably contributing to that. Like you said, I've dge a couple of speeches and show the trophy off and just kind of celebrate and let the fans see it.
00:50:05
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So let's go back to this this particular and we've broken down everything that happened in terms of the game itself. But and to use a media term like to kind of advance the story, the next if you will step for all of this would be number one, and that is retention of roster and rounding out of roster of pieces that will no longer be there. We know about Alberta Mendoza. Are there other players that would enter the portal? I'll begin with that question.
00:50:39
Speaker 8: Back up off at the linementer today, I was Evan Lawrence. I believe, I mean, you're gonna get I think guys a little bit lower down the roster. But like I've kind of viewed it as there's not a lot of fat on the roster still because of the Mones seniors you got, you got a lot of young guys, and so I mean there's going to be opportunity for playing time at a lot of positions next year, and so, you know, I don't necessarily know, especially when you've got a team now in theory has championship aspirations. Why why do you necessarily leave so quickly? You know, it would be different if you were in sort of a you know, a rough spot, but I don't think that's that's the case anymore, and so I wouldn't be as work, you know. You know, obviously their surprise Alberto is a surprise considering kind of what the talk was from even directly from him leading into uh this week, you know, his decision to leave, but you know, that can always happen. I think the draft decisions are a little more intriguing. I think Ponds, Uh, he had just announced kind of got announced by the Senior Bowl that he's going to be participating. That's likely a sign that he's he's going to you know, an announcement for him will probably be forthcoming about the draft. Carter Smith said he's coming back, which was I think huge news to get the returning you know, big ten offensive lineman of the year back in the fold uh he he kind of said that after the game. So I got a couple of other guys. I think Omar Cooper is an interesting one. Does he go or stay? I think he's kind of you know, some projections have him like in the mid round, but you know, I think he's a guy that might be able to help his draft stock. But obviously gave some good tape in that title game for scouts watching. So those are the decisions I think you're looking for right now.
00:52:14
Speaker 1: Okay, the with this, Mike Nisilik is our guest Bloomington Herald Times talking about Indiana football, their national championship and everything that comes with that. Now the I'm curious of this, Mike, and maybe we won't know this for a couple of years, right but as you once you get to the top of the mountain, the reality is then people start wanting to pluck away your players, and you know, it becomes more of a challenge to maintain probably some form of consistency of roster. The Alberta Mendoza thing I think surprised a lot of people, but at the same time it shouldn't because Kurtz Signetti has always said, you know, production over potential. And that's not to say that Mendoza has not been somebody who has produced for them, and his number has been called, but it's been late in game situations. We know that they go to TCU for the quarterback situation. There are we going to see this? Do you think routinely where Indiana is using experienced players from elsewhere for their roster or was that out of necessity to get to this point? And now it's about player development of those that get organically as young players.
00:53:22
Speaker 8: Well, quarterbacks are of unique just because obviously there also be one, and so like, I think their plan was to lat Mendoza compete for the job, but like if he wanted a straighter path to a starting job, going to Georgia Tech was was, you know, was sort of the move you had to make, right Like, you know, obviously Joshua is gonna come in, He's gonna be highly paid, and so the indication is like he'll have, you know, maybe an easier path. But I mean, I think if he outplayed him, there would have been a world in which he could have been the starter. I don't think he could rule those things out. You know, that happened him in high school kid transferred in and that was expected to start, and like he just got on the practice field and beat him, right, And so quarterbacks unique, like I think they had, you know, last year, they had teams trying to post their players, especially in the spring portal window, and like there were some scary moments from what KURTZIGETI talked about the Big Ten Media Day and talk to me. I had interview with him in May and he said, like it was dicey, like that was when he was actually worried. It wasn't in the winter, it was in the spring, those spring portal window. Now, I think that helps, but so like I mean, that's you know, he said what was at one point three million, I think was an offer that he said in the Big Ten media days, a guy got and you know they had to match it. And so those things are happening constantly, and they've done a good job with retention so far. Obviously the portal will be open for them now an extra couple of days through the twenty fourth, so you're always on guard. The quote he gave me last year, it was your intent is always up, and so I think that'll be the case here for the next four days. And then see what we got going forward. But I mean their transfer hall right now is fantastic already, So I mean you have to feel good about the players they got back. I mean, I think that they're going to retain, you know, a core group of this roster that has eligibility left and the pieces they're adding.
00:55:14
Speaker 1: Mike, do we know and maybe it would be speculative, I don't know, but do we have an estimate? Obviously it was worth it. I'm not papooing it at all. It's the reality of today, and I give credit to Indiana for being kind of in front of it all. Do you have an idea of what their payroll, odd to say, was for this year, the total amount?
00:55:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
00:55:36
Speaker 8: It's hard to put them down on numbers. A colleague, as Zach Austenman did a reporting on this kind of leading up to the championship game. We had always heard that the you know, revenue sharing was you know, like around twenty million per team or per per school for the athletics departments, and you know, large majority of schools, you know, the significant chunk of that was dedicated to football. So that's kind of like your starting point, like a large portion of your budget pbably upwards of fifty percent, you know, seventy percent, sixty five to seventy percent of that twenty million, I believe is where kind of Indiana came down on football. And then on top of it, you know, Zach had reported kind of you know, you think around twenty five million was it was last year. But also you got to remember the rules in which last year's roster were put together, especially the guys that were locked in the deals sort of in the winter, was different because they could be they were solely dedicated or more, and it could be structured differently because it wasn't part of the clearinghouse and nil deals, So it was different. So now you're going to probably get a cleaner look in terms of what the revenue sharing split and what teams that have spent over. So it's hard to say, and this year won't be the same. It's not one to one anymore because they interestuted the clearinghouse in the summer and sort of the roster the way the rosters were constructed were a little different.
00:56:54
Speaker 1: Do you think it's sustainable, Mike, And I don't mean, you know, so long as you have boosters, I get it. Right, But I believe, and I keep saying this, that you're going to have kind of these little many dynasties and like a team's going to be dominant for you know, have their three to four years in the sun, then they go away for a couple of years, then they come back again because it's going to be cyclical. That works along with what kind of big booster donations you're getting. And unless you have a booster that's willing to write you a check for fifteen million a year, you're gonna have EBB and flow.
00:57:25
Speaker 4: There?
00:57:25
Speaker 3: Am I off base?
00:57:28
Speaker 4: Well?
00:57:29
Speaker 8: I think there's two separate questions. Is the model sustainable? I don't think so in terms of like what they're doing and like all the different rules and eligibility and nil.
00:57:37
Speaker 1: Like it's all a mess.
00:57:38
Speaker 2: It's like a.
00:57:38
Speaker 8: Disaster, right, and so like there's I mean, like I mean that's that's part of the conversation, right, Like, I mean, things will probably have to change at some point. I do not know what direction things go in. Like there's no I mean, they can't even agree on the playoff, right, Like there's no sort of stepping up and trying to these voices kind of to to better the sport. So like that part's I think is a big part of it because like that effects kind of what you're talking about, Like is it just schools that can muster up support for a certain amount of time, get like a benefit and get and like rise up and rise back down. But I will say one, Indiana is well positioned to sustain the success because you know, the money comes in from what they just did, will help them and sort of lessen maybe the burden on some of those donors or some of the you know, other obligations they have to do. And so like I think you also have to really good set up in the athletic department have to have and they've really prepared for this kind of even going back and went and spoke about this kind of the weekly going back to the game to sort of set up this success, going back to like twenty twenty one and coming up with the model in the athletic department, a financial model I'm talking about to sort of like how do we cover all these costs, revenue shares coming, what do we do? And Indiana position themselves well to do this because it's not just about donors. I mean, that's the big part of it. That's a big part of the NIA. But I mean you have to you know, like there are some athletics departments that are so in the red that like they can't take themselves out of it. It's not going to matter about donors, right And so I mean you see that like UCLA, the school that has a lot of financial troubles, so like they can't get to the point. Indiana's that right now because they have all other sorts of problems. So like Indiana has positioned themselves well to keep us going. But to your point, like, what's the future hold? God knows with what this this model will look like in you know, three to five years, maybe things change, And I don't know how that impacts you know, individual teams because I don't know what the rules will be at that point.
00:59:35
Speaker 1: The again, Mike Nislok is our guest Bloomington Herald Times. Here's one other question about that before we get onto something about next year for Indiana. And I don't know the answer to this, Mike. I'm legitimately asking, so I'm not rhetorically asking this, like and you know, like the guy yelling at clouds, what now are the academic requirements for a player, because for example, you know, is guys are now you know you heard Carson back. I mean a lot was made of that. I don't even know if he was taking you know, Brenanda Mendoza graduated from cal I assume he was taking like an online graduate course.
01:00:07
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Is there a minimum breaking.
01:00:10
Speaker 8: A couple of virtual course. I believe he was taking a couple of virtual courses, So there is there is a requirement. I do not know the extent, and I don't know how it varies for school, you know, hours wise or credits wise. But because you know, he did talk I mean, Fernando talked about that earlier this season that you know, he uh went to host Business School, obviously very prestigious school, and his he talked about his class requirements obviously were much heavier in previous years than they were this year. Not to bragger about it, but he just you know, was talking kind of about it was a question about what his schedule like or.
01:00:44
Speaker 1: What his routine was like.
01:00:46
Speaker 8: So there is that When players graduate, obviously their class loads less, but I mean they do have to, you know, I think it also changes like undergrad versus graduate students, and so like I do not know the exact credit hours, but I would say undergrads obviously have to take more, but once you've graduated, there is some leniency. And I mean, you know, now you get we will kind of now are getting through a lot of the COVID year guys where it was like eight nine years, which was getting ridiculous, but now you're sort of still seeing, you know, the JUCO rules sort of up in the air, and you're still getting five and six year players and so but yeah, they benefit from that, but they still do have to do.
01:01:26
Speaker 1: Some Okay, let's talk about roster for next year, Mike, in terms of you know, who's there who's not. I want to begin with this. A guy that and somebody asked me to ask about this.
01:01:36
Speaker 3: It's a really good question.
01:01:37
Speaker 1: Tyler Cherry was a pretty highly talented quarterback locally out of center Grove, went to Indiana, suffered injury, sat out this year.
01:01:45
Speaker 3: I assume he is still part of the program.
01:01:48
Speaker 1: Would he be somebody that then becomes Hoover's back up with the department with the departure now of Alberta Mendoza, Where do things stand there? Uncertain?
01:01:57
Speaker 8: I mean, he was he was like a student coach, so they kept them in the fold. Well, the injury, I think it's all independent on his health. That'll be a question we kind of ask Kurtzidandi the next time. I think we get you know, when you kind of go through all the roster kind of question marks before they kind of go off onto their break before the spring, that is an interesting question in terms of like, I think it's all about just if he's healthy enough to play, and so will he be factor in the next season. That'll be the sort of the question. I don't think even if he came back that they will make they will just just default and assume he'd be the backup quarterback. Too young, too inexperienced, injury questions. I still think they have to go find something.
01:02:35
Speaker 1: Okay, when you look at not only players who have no more eligibility, but also the possibility of transfer portal or areas where they have not been able to get players in the portal What area of the Indiana football team for next season when they begin their defense of this title are going to be the big question marks?
01:02:58
Speaker 8: You know, right now has answered a lot of the questions that they had, like you know, you know, and I think right now, it's more sort of like filling in holes and depth, like like could they use a backup linebacker, you know, like, yeah, I think I think an extra veteran linebacker with the experience would help them. The backup quarterback I think opens up. Maybe that is your most pressing need because you know, you saw in twenty four how important that start Tevin Jackson made was to to sort of keep the playoff hopes on track against Washington. So like you need a backup quarterback. I mean they've addressed safety, you know, maybe another interior guy and at defensive tackle, But I think you have a really good starting base there. Like you know, they're coming from a point it's strengthen a lot of these positions. Like if you lose Pawns, they got a two year starter out of the transfer portal, you're probably bringing back to Maury Sharp, the guy who just got the interception to win the national title. Like, they're really in a good spot in a lot of these places, you know, especially with car Smith coming back, like you thought, you know, now they have probably four starting linemen coming back basically essentially, and then they added a starter, and now you just kind of got to move a guy to center basically, So I mean like there's just not a lot of holes. And that's what I'm saying, Like they are basically weigh that first portal weekend and been like, look, get on the bus now because we're shutting things down in forty eight hours because we're going to go back to coaching and getting this team ready to play. And most of the guys did, and those are their first choices in a lot of the positions, and I think that's that set the tone for what this roster looks like next year. And I think you have to feel really positive about.
01:04:32
Speaker 3: It, Mike.
01:04:33
Speaker 1: I want you to enjoy on Saturday from one until one point thirty while you're covering the celebration, the fact that it's going to be three degrees in freezing rain. But you know what, Indiana fans will not care. I'll tell you what they will not care. And I've always said Bloomington and the state of Indiana and sanjol Indiana and Indianapolis are heaven to me, but they must also be hell because hell's frozen over because Indiana won the national title.
01:04:54
Speaker 8: Right, maybe they'll be a spot up into the trust box. I can stay warming.
01:04:59
Speaker 1: There you go, Mike. I appreciate it as always. Man, it's been a busy run for you. I realized, but you've answered the call each time and I always appreciate it anytime. Mike Naaaly joining us on the Java House Peeling Port guest line, Eddie. You know, it's very very similar to when the Colts won the Super Bowl that was. You know, if you were to go back, you can go on there's like a website where you can go and look up whether records from the you know, like what the temperature was on certain days. And I kid you not, in my mind, when the Colts won the Super Bowl, and I don't mean the night that they won it, but the next day when they arrived back in Indianapolis and they had like a makeshift parade, I think that they weren't planning on doing a Super Bowl parade and they didn't really put much thought into it, and people literally were like, they have to do a parade, right, And they planned on a celebration at the RCAA Dome, but they didn't really plan a parade route. And literally as the team landed, someone said, well, we have to have some sort of a parade, So they went and got a bunch of the floats for the five hundred festival. When I say to floats, I just mean the platforms, and they had like probably four of those worth of you know, different players on it. And I actually do not remember Peyton Manning being involved in it, but I remember Bob Sanders being in the back of it and looking like a rock star. But Bill Pollian held out of the Lombardi Trophy on the front float and never let go, like it looked like it was frozen into his hands, and he had a grin on his face, but it was like frozen. It was the coldest. It was so cold, and I was right on Monument Circle. Norman Cox from Channel six was screaming to every everybody that it was canceled because it was too cold. He had on a Cleveland Brown's hat while he was doing his broadcast from the Circle and then all of that, and he wasn't wrong because people were like, wait, I don't know that.
01:07:11
Speaker 3: We're really doing this.
01:07:12
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, here come the like float things driving down from They went up Capital around the Circle back down and then over to the RCA Dome and that was it. But it was so cold in my mind it was like ten below out. Actually, if I had to guess, I would say it was seven degrees. Now we could look up. Let's let's look at it this way.
01:07:38
Speaker 4: Eddie.
01:07:39
Speaker 1: Ready, what day was that? That's what I'm looking up here? So what can you look up? We're going to go over under. If my mind tells me it was seven degrees, then I'm going to give myself a ten degree buffer of saying no, it was warmer than that. You just were standing in it, so you felt cold and it was in your mind. Whatever. So I will say that the official record says it was seventeen degrees.
01:08:05
Speaker 2: I think you should go with five. I think we need to minimize that gap a little bit.
01:08:08
Speaker 1: Okay, So what is the over under you're giving me in terms of the window of the margin of error, Like if this was one of those.
01:08:18
Speaker 2: So technically I am giving you ten degrees, but I'm giving you five either way. So if you said it was seven, I'll give you an answer from two to twelve. Anything within two to twelve will give you a winner.
01:08:32
Speaker 1: Okay. Now they it was like total makeshift. It was just like thrown together. Okay, Now I need you to look up for me.
01:08:44
Speaker 4: Please.
01:08:46
Speaker 1: The do you have before you a website that tells you temperatures in archive?
01:08:53
Speaker 2: I know I was it was the Monday, right. The fifth is that when they did it? No, what day of the week was it?
01:08:58
Speaker 1: Then I am kicking right here. Okay, it says here there will be a parade. Indianapolis will welcome the Super Bowl champion Colts home with a parade on Monday.
01:09:11
Speaker 3: There you go.
01:09:12
Speaker 1: The team arrived at four o'clock PM and went to the Colts camp on the city's west side. So the parade is not expected to start until five thirty pm. So, yes, it was Monday, but two thousand and seven, so this would have been we'll look it up. On the other side, you're giving me what is the window that you were saying that I would be accurate?
01:09:32
Speaker 4: Eddie?
01:09:33
Speaker 3: Give me again what numbers you're giving me credit for you?
01:09:35
Speaker 2: So if you said that it was seven degrees, I would give you anywhere.
01:09:39
Speaker 1: From my final answer. My final answer is twelve degrees. My final answer is twelve degrees. That's my guess. We'll look it up and see how closed.
01:09:47
Speaker 4: Sam.
01:09:48
Speaker 1: Next, So here's the thing about the Super Bowl parade Paul the Mailman points out, I'd forgotten about this. The parade was a little bit screwed up because the Pro Bowl Manning and others had to go to Hawaii on Tuesday. I forgot about that, so there was and then in addition to that, their flight was delayed coming back. I do remember that they were scheduled to land at four, then that got pushed to five thirty.
01:10:12
Speaker 4: This, Paul, tell you it's Paul. I'm the director of giddiness.
01:10:15
Speaker 6: You're feeling giddy on quarious companies.
01:10:18
Speaker 1: To Paul the Mailman. That's one. The other one is the one that sent me that message.
01:10:22
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know which Paul was.
01:10:24
Speaker 1: Paul Hurley is former, retired former excuse me, now retired mailman. So he's mailman emeritus. We should make that distinction, right, I'm looking right here, Eddie. I think I officially locked in at twelve degrees, but my initial guess was seven.
01:10:43
Speaker 2: Correct, I believe so.
01:10:46
Speaker 1: Yes. On February fifth of two thousand and seven, at four point fifty four PM, it was ten degrees, but again delayed until five thirty. Right at five fifty four it was eight degrees, and by six fifty four. It was six degrees, so right in there seven degrees. I must have read somewhere seven. And that was stuck in the depths of my brain. I'm not giving myself that much credit, but it was ridiculous.
01:11:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a high of ten and a low of minus five in two thousand and seven.
01:11:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, the low was probably it.
01:11:23
Speaker 1: Like you know then two thousand and eight, pretty historic day. It was sixty five degrees, are you serious?
01:11:31
Speaker 2: Highest sixty five a low of forty one in two thousand and eight.
01:11:35
Speaker 1: Well, think about when the super Bowl was here. I mean I remember when the super Bowl was here. It was the most surreal thing ever. I mean, doing a zip line it was. It had to have been fifty five degrees outside. Oh yeah, I remember it was awesome.
01:11:51
Speaker 3: That was Now.
01:11:54
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is the case. It shouldn't be. What we do is not hard work. It is not manual labor. We're not saving lives, none of that. That super Bowl in twenty twelve, and if you remember the super Bowl when it was here, that was the off season of uncertainty because it was coming off of the Colts disastrous season, the Peyton Manning neck injury, Curtis Painter or Lavsky you know, winless suck for Luck and that off season and for the Colts the off season had begun well before that, but that time period. I remember being on radio row for the Super Bowl, and you know those things. You sit there and it's just a cattle call. They just bring over all these former players. Hey, do you want to talk to Joe Montana? Just make sure you mentioned hippie's nasal strips? Okay, and then you know, and then the next one comes through.
01:13:01
Speaker 2: Also, what's the other thing that Brett Farve used to do or still does?
01:13:05
Speaker 3: Copper fit? That's embezzlement.
01:13:06
Speaker 1: No, that's not something that they wanted necessarily for you to talk about.
01:13:09
Speaker 2: Copper fit was what that was. It was like that sleeve thing, a compression sleeve type.
01:13:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody's pitching something like that, right, I mean I don't remember his specifically, but yes, something like that.
01:13:18
Speaker 2: By the way, do you have a cattle call? What does a cattle call sound like?
01:13:23
Speaker 6: Me?
01:13:26
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a cattle call.
01:13:29
Speaker 2: Joe Montana also sketchers, right, is that?
01:13:31
Speaker 9: Yeah?
01:13:31
Speaker 3: That's right? Sketchers yep.
01:13:34
Speaker 1: And some of the players you feel bad because you're like, oh, man, I forgot about that guy. He was the number three tied end on the team in eighty three, But what reason when I have to talk to him? But you're sitting there and the whole conversation, but the whole week was about what the Colts were going to do. And that's when the Colts put out that photo of Peyton Manning at a like a party with Jim Mersey and John Mellencamp and it was like Peyton Manning attended a party with owner Jim Mersey and a good time.
01:14:00
Speaker 3: Was had by all.
01:14:01
Speaker 1: John everybody was there and Johnny Coueger, Yeah, you know, every Literally the entire topic with everyone was what is going to happen with Manning and the Colts and are they going to keep him?
01:14:17
Speaker 3: What are they going to be able to do? And this is.
01:14:22
Speaker 1: This is like the weirdest thing to say because it's not brain surgery that we do and it's not manual labor. But that was the most professionally tiring week of my life. I loved it. I was It was an honor to be a part of it. It was surreal, but it was mentally exhausting because it just was non.
01:14:39
Speaker 2: Stop, even more than a month of May.
01:14:42
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, it was the most tired I've ever been. And that's I have no idea what maybe because the month of May you're going on adrenaline. I you know, I don't know, and it's it's just different. Now, where were you for this? The JW So okay, I was about to say you weren't. That was the media hotel. Yeah, But speaking of Mellencamp, not only was he there for that and a good time was had by all, but a good times had by all anytime he's in concert. Do you know a Jay Querry fun fact? This is literally revoked my Indiana card, revoke my Indiana status.
01:15:16
Speaker 2: You've never seen Mellencamp in concert.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: That is correct, I've never seen Mellencamp in concert, which is like fairly surprising.
01:15:25
Speaker 2: Is this where I would drop my headphones and walk out like you did when I told you I hadn't seen uh shot redemption?
01:15:32
Speaker 1: Pretty much? I mean for someone of my age range, that's almost an excuse. You you can come over here and produce your own show.
01:15:38
Speaker 6: Now.
01:15:38
Speaker 1: Then he literally, I mean he performed concerts in my college years, you know, in Bloomington and around the area. Seemingly all the time, and it just was one of those kind of like hoody kind of like hoody like. It's not that I didn't want to see him, just every time I was supposed to see him, something popped up. But we have tickets to give away from mellen Camp? Is that correct, Eddie?
01:15:56
Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
01:15:57
Speaker 3: Is he going to be win?
01:15:58
Speaker 2: And where any at Ruoff Music Center this summer? The specific date you ask, Saturday July eighteenth.
01:16:07
Speaker 1: Okay, I actually have the world's greatest trivia question.
01:16:12
Speaker 2: Now don't call now. We haven't played John Mellencamp yet.
01:16:15
Speaker 1: I've been I have the world's greatest trivia question that I've been keeping locked and loaded for very special occasions. Should we use that trivia question for these tickets? Or what former fashion would you like to Eddie Garrison? I will allow you to decide how we distribute.
01:16:27
Speaker 2: On a scale of one to ten. How challenging you said trivia question?
01:16:36
Speaker 1: It's not, I mean seven, but it's but what is fascinating to me.
01:16:45
Speaker 3: Everyone?
01:16:46
Speaker 1: Seemingly I could write down for you the most common answers that will be submitted. One of them would be the right one, but the order in which they are oftentimes recited.
01:16:58
Speaker 2: Now, we have two pairs to give away today. Okay, so do you want to hold off until Friday when we have one and it's our last pair? But GMV also is giving away Mellencamp tickets this week?
01:17:10
Speaker 1: Two you mean in terms of to give them away or in terms of the trivia question?
01:17:15
Speaker 9: Uh?
01:17:16
Speaker 2: Do we want to hold off on the trivia question for Friday? When we just have the one pair versus two pair today and tomorrow?
01:17:22
Speaker 1: There's a chance I'm gonna take Friday off?
01:17:24
Speaker 3: What that's the only thing?
01:17:27
Speaker 2: What hap Wednesday? What? What the heck?
01:17:30
Speaker 1: They have this weird thing here where if you work on a holiday you have to then burn it within like five days. And I worked out on holiday.
01:17:37
Speaker 2: I don't I worked on a holiday too, But you burnt yesterday. That's a different reasoning you though.
01:17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, So which way would you like to do it?
01:17:46
Speaker 3: I will let you decide.
01:17:49
Speaker 2: Let's save trivia for tomorrow, then if you're gonna take off Friday.
01:17:52
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you hear Mellencamp playing, that means you got to call in.
01:17:55
Speaker 3: Is that how we're doing this?
01:17:56
Speaker 9: Yeah?
01:17:56
Speaker 1: All right, we'll do it that way. And by the way, speaking of mini outa football. Pretty cool thing that you can have sitting right on your desk to commemorate Indiana's national championship. We'll talk about that in ten. You know, over the years in doing this, we just.
01:18:12
Speaker 2: Had a major tase Jake. I don't know if you caught that last commercial in.
01:18:15
Speaker 3: The break I did.
01:18:17
Speaker 2: It was promoted in the fact we have John Mellencamp tickets to play. I thought about this and there was Mellencamp playing there on the end. And now the phone lines are well lit.
01:18:25
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we.
01:18:25
Speaker 1: Should probably be people of our word, right, we should probably be people of our word.
01:18:32
Speaker 2: We probably should. But we've got a we got a guest coming up here.
01:18:35
Speaker 3: It's your rules.
01:18:36
Speaker 1: I mean, you said when you hear Mellencamp, I know, I know, maybe in a big noginy years you should have thought these things out.
01:18:42
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I probably should have looked forward paid attention.
01:18:47
Speaker 3: Just saying.
01:18:49
Speaker 1: But over the years that I've done radio, there have been a number of occasions. The two that come to mind would be the Colts and then as well Notre Dame. Those two jump out where.
01:19:05
Speaker 3: And this is pretty cool.
01:19:09
Speaker 1: The you know, you always see the commemberative footballs, right, a football that has like a white leather panel on it and then will have the image of a team or a player or something like that, or like autograph footballs. During the Super Bowl that I was talking about in twenty twelve, I did a fundraiser where I had two footballs that were signed by basically every person that came by the radio row signed it. There's like I mean, I had and I gave them to two different charities, but I remember they had like seven Hall of Famers on them.
01:19:39
Speaker 3: But there are also.
01:19:39
Speaker 1: Commemorative footballs that can be done after a significant win. You know, you see people that'll have it on there, usually on your desk or in a workplace in your office. Is kind of cool to have something like that, especially if you went to the game. And Nico Sports is the company that puts together. Bob Iback has been a friend for years, and Bobby used to work for the Chicago Cubs in their PR department and he's worked with Niko for years where they put together.
01:20:09
Speaker 3: Fundraisers.
01:20:10
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the cool thing about it is when you're talking about a football that commemorates a feat or an accomplishment, to be able to say yeah, but you know, it's one thing to just make money off something. It's another to say, we're making money off this for something that a team in your area did, and we're making sure that we're giving some of that money back into your community. That's what's pretty cool about it. And Bob reached out. I've talked to him on a number of occasions over the course of the years, and usually if I'm talking to him, it means that something great has happened within sports in the market, which is why it's always a pleasure to talk to him.
01:20:47
Speaker 3: Bob Iybak joins us now in the Java.
01:20:49
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line from Nico Sports, Bob, how are you.
01:20:53
Speaker 9: I'm doing good, Jake's been a while since we chatted, but I've always enjoyed our past conversations, and you're right, you know, we usually when we talk, we're doing something it's also good for the community, and I know in this case, with the Indiana winning the national championship, we're working with the Extra Yard for Teachers, which is the official charity of the college football Playoffs. And what I'll be talking about this special limited edition full size football a portion of the proceeds will go back and help out school teachers in the India State of Indiana, which is very important to me because I know and I think you could probably voice the same opinion. We all grew up with school teachers, whether they be grade school teachers or high school teachers, or college professors or whatever, and they've helped us along in various stages of our life. They've been our mentors. And it's good to be able to give back to that organization which has been the official sponsor of the college football playoffs and race hundreds of thousands of dollars for school teachers, and the money will stay in the state of Indiana. So with that, I want to talk a little bit quickly about this fully licensed football. It's full size. It comes with a numbered certificate of authenticity. Only five thousands of these will ever be made, and it's all the logos and the information on the various panels of the football are in bust. It's a way of keeping this looking preserved, brand new for years and years to come. I know, of my own man cave, some of the footballs and basketballs that I've collected over the years in my sports career have stayed pristine looking for years to come. So there will only be five thousands of these. And before I give out the phone number and website how you can get these, because we've been on your station earlier this morning, got a great response from people who ordered and these things or probably one third of the way already sold out. So I would urge people to do this sooner than later, because it's a very historic football going sixteen to oh winning the school's first national championship in football ever is an amazing feat. And the way they knocked off some of the opponents along the way, Alabama and Oregon and so forth, and that twenty seven to twenty one win against Miami has just been huge. It's got the whole country talking about this. It reminds me of the Basketball movie, and I think they will make a movie out of this with the way Mendoza and company have you aspired to go on and to create their own image. On the top panel of the football, we'll have the undefeated season sixteen and oh, all the schedule of the opponents and scores, so you'll be able to remember exactly what the season howd unfolded. It's got a beautiful Indiana helmet. There on one of the panels, we've got the beautiful National Championship logo, and we've got the Roseball and Peach logos included on the football, you'll also get on a panel Indiana Football Fax, some trivia Indiana football history. And then we also have another panel on there that features the Big Ten championship logo and the scorer and the opponent. All that on there, and it's exclusive to NICCO Sports. You will not find this at any other place other than doing it this way because we want to make sure that we continue to give back to the Extra Yard for teachers. It's a group that I've worked with going back since the inception of the college football playoffs, and we've raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for them. Now, the two ways you can get this there again, there are one hundred and twenty nine dollars and ninety five cents. Everything is fully licensed. You'll get that number certificate of authent city. The toll free number to order is eight hundred three four five two eight sixty eight. That's eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight. If you can't get through the phone lines, don't panic. You could go right to the website. You can order it there very quickly. Nicosports dot com. It's spelled nik coosports dot com. Again, that's nik cosports dot com. And that phone number one more time. Eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight, one hundred and twenty nine dollars and ninety five cents will snag you one of these exclusive footballs. And I guarantee you you will have people walk into your home or office or wherever you display it and go, wow, where did you get that football? And know that these will appreciate over time because anytime a university wins something for the first time, goes undefeated like they have in sixteen and zero, it becomes a really historic piece of sports memorabilia.
01:26:04
Speaker 1: And the cool thing about it, as you mentioned, is the fact that because you do see this, Bob is you know somebody who buys something like that, and then you know, after like three years it fades or the color face because it's in boss, that's not going to be the case, which is a cool thing, right and no, you're so right.
01:26:18
Speaker 9: I have stuff for my sports career going way back to the middle of nineteen nineties, and they look as fresh as the day I received them. And then I compare them to some of the things from my career when I was in the front office with the Chicago Cubs in the nineteen eighties, and that has faded. I have a baseball sign when I went to dinner. I was lucky enough Howard COSELM. Seed that we were out in Scottsdale, Arizona, and we were doing a fundraiser. Billy Martin, the Oakland A's manager at the time, put it together and that night all these old Yankees showed up, including the guys at my table. I had Mickey Maddele to my right and Roger Merris to the left, and they both signed the baseball thanks for having dinner with us, Roger Morris and Mickey Mantle and Maris's autograph has started to fade, and that's because it was probably sitting in the sunlight someplace at my previous home. So I can appreciate, you know, having stuff on here like this and bossed.
01:27:21
Speaker 4: It will keep it looking beautiful.
01:27:23
Speaker 1: Did you were you at table number sixty one? I guess you would have had it been right.
01:27:28
Speaker 9: You know, Jack Brickhouse with the.
01:27:33
Speaker 4: Radio guy back in.
01:27:34
Speaker 9: Those days, Hey, hey, yep, And he knew I grew up in the Bronx and knew I was a Yankees fan in the nineteen fifties. So I had my job was to get our table with the Cubs ten people. I think it was like one hundred dollars a ticket. All the money was going to a fundraiser for Ken Boyer, who was dying of cancer. And so I filled the whole table up with Ernie Banks and Billy Williams and Ron Santo. And I walked in and he said to me, He says, God, Bob, you know you're gonna have to go back to that table back there where nobody was sitting. He says, we don't have a seat for you. So I went back and I sat there, and within five.
01:28:09
Speaker 3: Minutes Marrison Manel sitting down.
01:28:12
Speaker 9: Marason Mantle came in. But it started out with Whitey Ford and Yogi Barron and Bill Scouring and all my old Yankee guys from the from the fifties. Nobody was sitting on my left or right until this guy came up wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans shirt and tapped me on the shoulders. Hey, Padna, anybody's sitting here and turned around. It was Mickey Mantle and a minute later Roger Merris tapped me on the other shoulder. He says, you mind if I grab the last seat.
01:28:38
Speaker 4: Well.
01:28:38
Speaker 9: I was speechless, and Brookhouse told me the next day he said, I looked over at you, and you look like a little boy again who got his hand caught in the cookie jar.
01:28:48
Speaker 3: Pretty cool though, Pretty.
01:28:49
Speaker 9: Cool, Yeah, it was. It was a moment I never ever forgot. And I was very blessed to have been with the Cubs for ten years. And my son's kind of taken over the thing. He's a assistant general manager with the Tampa Bay Rays now. So he always tells me, Dad, I can't tell you any inside stories because you know you're going on radio show still, and he says, I don't want you to spill any beings that you shouldn't, So we have that little thing between us. Don't tell me anything you don't want.
01:29:17
Speaker 3: Me to know, all right, fair enough.
01:29:18
Speaker 1: But what we do want people to know, though, Bob is again Nico Sports. That's nikcosports dot Com telephone number eight hundred three four five twenty eight sixty eight. All of you listening. Most of you by now I have my cell phone numbers, so if you didn't get a chance to jot that down, send me a text. I will get you the information on how you can get one of the limited edition footballs and help out as well Extra yard for teachers, which has benefited eighty one thousand schools over the years, and now we'll be doing so for schools here in Indiana. Bob a pleasure as always, and certainly appreciate you putting it together for IU fans.
01:29:54
Speaker 9: Jake. It's good to hear from you again, and I'll tell you always good to see stories like this on FALLD. It'll be something people will be talking about for years.
01:30:02
Speaker 1: It is definitely, Bob appreciate it. Definitely some people have been talking about for a long time. Of course, the question becomes, does Indiana what can they do to replicate it? What can they do to advance the story to use that term?
01:30:15
Speaker 3: All right?
01:30:16
Speaker 1: NFL has some coaching vacancies and one of them actually got somebody chirping yesterday that had some quotes I found pretty interesting.
01:30:24
Speaker 3: We'll get into that.
01:30:26
Speaker 1: We will discuss that and pacers as well upcoming here on this humpday Wednesday Quarrying Company. Sorry you'd ask me to have that ready right. In terms of the music, I should have qued that up a little better. But it is Boston, that is because the Pacers are in Boston taking on the Celtics tonight seven o'clock tip pregame at six point thirty.
01:30:49
Speaker 3: We will get.
01:30:50
Speaker 1: Into some of the coaching vacancies and the National Football League. Whoever would have guessed that Boston would again be a team that is vying for a Super Bowl because we just kind of hope that the Patriots would stay in obscurity. Not the case Celtics, of course, one that have last time here, Pacers played well against him. But Indiana right now is basically everyone's wearing a name tag because they continue to just jostle around with their roster lineup and players in, players out. Dustin no Pirak joins us from the Indianapolis Star. He of course, is the beat writer that covers the Indiana Pacers and is in Beantown to discuss everything going on with Indiana. You know, again, I know that I am a broken record when I say this, but it's difficult for me sometimes to be able to determine with the pacers even Okay, you know who's out because they are legitimately out. Who's out because they're just kind of the pacers are, you know, seeing what they have elsewhere. And then you also get as Dustin joins us. Now, Dustin, it seems to me like we saw last game, and I think Nie Smith and Nim Harder the two that come to mind here. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall in the past really them going to the we're going to use rest days on back to backs, but it seems as though that's now being incorporated by Rick Carlisle. Correct.
01:32:17
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're going to do that again. I mean, I imagine it also had something to do with it being the first game of a five game road trip maybe. I mean, I guess we'll see. We'll see when this becomes the thing. I mean, obviously, if you start seeing a lot of these, then you know the tank is really really on and so yeah, I mean it's you don't see it much. I mean, I think Pascal had the previous back to back, they're a previous back to back. He sat out that that Golden State game when they had ten guys out and they shored eighty three points in this game in that game. So, I mean, I don't know if this is going to be a trend that they're going to do this for every back to back. It's probably different than it's home road. It's probably different than it's a five game road trip. But it's obviously, you know, something that wouldn't happen if they were competitive, you know, I mean they would they would not be doing that if they were you know, twenty you know, twenty two and twenty one or whatever. You know, it's something that happened because they were you know, ten and thirty one I think going into that game or ten, yeah, I think it was ten now it was ten and thirty two. So yeah, like there's that is changing the calculus. I don't know if it's going to be like that every time they have a back to back. I'm not sure. I think their next back to back might be after I don't know, it's I think it's before the break. I gotta look at this real quick. I have to check it out. No, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be an every time thing. You would hope it's not just for the sake of I don't think anybody wants to watch anything like that again. But usually if you're more competitive and you do think you've got to give some guys rest days, you know you're not doing them all at once. You're saying, Okay, you get one this time, somebody else gets one next time. But that was definitely a case of Okay, we can we can do this because we're not in a competitive situation right now, and it's not the worst thing on earth for them to lose games.
01:33:54
Speaker 3: Back to back.
01:33:55
Speaker 1: By the way, February second and third, Houston and Utah here in Indy. I want to begin with this in terms of players, and some of this is stuff that we have discussed a lot others.
01:34:07
Speaker 3: You know, these things haven't ebb and flowed.
01:34:09
Speaker 1: Doest. Let's begin with this. Jay Huff to me at the beginning of the year. Let me give you the evolution of the Jake Querry process of Jay Huff. Okay, the beginning of the year, Man, they swung and missed on this guy. He can't play. You don't have any strength, can't play, looks nervous, can't play. Then later in the year, Jake Querry's assessment. Boy, he hits two threes to start every single game and then at the end of the night finishes with eight points. But he can block some shots, and I'll give him credit there. Now, I'm like, Okay, looks like a guy that could be a really nice eighteen to twenty two minute per night guy to spell your starting center. Maybe needs to bulk up defensively, but I think is a good piece for them. But I don't know that you when if he is your your regular piece at the center position, where do you believe that the brass of the pacers feels he is in terms of the now and the future?
01:35:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty much right. I mean, I think you've seen, you know, like I'm not going off if they haven't told me, Hey, we definitely think he's here. But I mean, I think you've obviously seen enough, you know, kind of smoke going around of them looking at starter caliber centers. But I mean, I would say one thing that Huffs does that I think changes your calculus a little bit that I think you're seeing in some of those rumors is that if you have him as a backup option and he's a pick and pop guy, you know, in somebody who can shoot threes. You know, you can maybe afford to take a guy as a starter who doesn't shoot threes, who's a really good rebounder, you know, really strong physical presence, defensively, good rim protector, stuff like that, you can afford to take. Not a chance, but you can afford to say, Okay, that's what we're going to go with. We don't that's just if we have Huffs in our back pocket and a guy who can really stretch the floor, we can be okay with having somebody on the front line. It's not necessarily a three point shooter that does everything else, you know, like the Daniel Gaffords because Zu Bax. You know, guy like guys at that I mean, back's gonna be tough to get because the Clippers are starting to get competitive.
01:36:11
Speaker 1: But you know your.
01:36:12
Speaker 6: Gafferds e's and misses. You know, those guys become more of a possibility if you have a guy in your back pocket as a backup that can come in and shoot threes and you need him off the fence. So I think that's the case. I mean, I you know, like if they the thought Huff could be the guy, they obviously wouldn't be as active as they seem to be when it comes to these discussions to get a starting five man. And I think your assessment has mostly been writing is really tracks with mine that at first you're like, oh man, this was not this This guy isn't who they thought he was going to be. But I mean, you saw him sort of block shots. He saw the three point shot get a little bit better, and you know, and one thing that they've talked about a lot is that, you know, he had to figure out the end game conditioning. I mean, even if you train for it, you know the extent to which they want to run. And obviously they haven't been a good running and finishing team this year necessarily, but they still want to play fast, and they still want to shit, and they still want to you defend. You know, your guy for ninety four feet and all those kinds of things. He had to get in better shape. Now he was in bad shape, and he's just he's a skinny guy overall, and there's only so much bulk you're going to add to him because he's he's had to do a lot of bulking up to get to this point. But you know, he's figured out how to play this way. He's figured out how to move off of these guys to understand, you know, how to operate in this sort of randomized action system. A lot of things have come together for him. The confidence is much much better than it was a month and a half ago, two months ago, and there's there's a lot of progress. But yeah, I would agree he makes sense as a bench piece more than he does. Is a long long term starter for them if they intend to be contenders again and if they intend to be contenders next year.
01:37:42
Speaker 1: Has Huff's ability to protect the rim now taken away? The necessity of finding that element within who it is that you're going to go out and.
01:37:52
Speaker 3: Get as your starter.
01:37:53
Speaker 1: In other words, can they say to themselves, Hey, you know what, if we need rim protection then and then we have that in Jay Huffin. We can use that sparingly and that means we don't need it out of our starter. Or are they still looking for someone that replicates all the things that Miles Turner brought.
01:38:11
Speaker 6: I mean, you have to look at all the things Miles Turner broad You have to try to get all those things I think you want better, like I think you'll you might trade one or the other, the shooting or the shot blocking for better rebounding is how I would put it. I mean, I think you want I think they want better rebounding. I think that's important. I think they know that's been a you know, something that's it's been an issue for them, and I think they would like to get that better. I mean, because you're not just going to be're probably not just gonna go back and get miles. Maybe you can, you know, like I may, maybe Milwaukee's ready to sell right off of that, and you know, maybe everybody can let buy bygones be bygones on everything. I doubt it, but you know that I don't see that coming. That seems unlikely to me. But if you're looking at a bunch of guys, I think if you're going to have a guy who doesn't shoot, then you better have their own protection. I don't think you're gonna be okay with just having an around the basket score and a rebounder and a good defensive player. If he can't either shooter block shots, I think he has to do one of the two. And it seems to me like most of the guys that they've looked at that aren't shooters? Are are rint protectors?
01:39:11
Speaker 4: You know?
01:39:12
Speaker 6: I think you have one, have to have one of those two elements if you don't have both.
01:39:16
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to trade deadline coming up dustin Win exactly?
01:39:19
Speaker 3: Is the trade deadline.
01:39:21
Speaker 6: February fifth at three pm, I believe.
01:39:24
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're looking at you know, we got what two weeks, three weeks.
01:39:28
Speaker 3: Something like that.
01:39:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll touch over too.
01:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much two in a day?
01:39:33
Speaker 3: Okay?
01:39:34
Speaker 1: How much of Ben Matheren not being available due to injury in any way, shape or form impacts Indiana's activity of the trade deadline.
01:39:44
Speaker 6: I mean I think it matters that. I think you know, they Rick talked about him likely getting back on this trip.
01:39:49
Speaker 4: He's still ruled.
01:39:50
Speaker 6: Out for tonight against Boston. I mean, i'd have to think he gets up back on the floor soon, you know. I if I'm if I'm a team that's interested, you know, you've got a shop. I mean, I like shopping him. I think means getting him out on the floor so the teams can see where he's at with because he does have real injuries, you know, like they're not made up. The thumb spring's not made up. He had the great toast sprain before. You know, so those things are real. They're not made up like they didn't just you know, come up with a phantom injury to get him off the floor so they could just sit there and rest him for for whoever else might want him. You know, I think if you're another team, you're going to want to see him get on the floor to see if he can help you. Now, you know, if you're a contender in particular, you know, you want to make sure that he's in good in a good enough place that that he can be you know what you're gonna want him to be if you're going to be willing to part with a starting caliber center. You know, even if you're not a contender, you're going to want to see something. Basically, even if it's a trade among two non contenders, I think you're gonna want to see something out of him to make that move. So I think it could it could make an impact. I mean obviously if he comes out and you know, suddenly we'd both doors off and he's he's a totally different guy, and you know, it gets Rick to the point where he's like, Okay, you can't move him. You know, like he's finally what I wanted him to be all this time, then that might change some things. But I do think it makes him a little bit more marketable if he gets out and shows something in a week and a half, two weeks, just to be like, Okay, he's healthy, he's good. It was good that he took the time off, you know, like, and he's going to be a useful player down the stretch for somebody. And I think that that makes some other things more palatable if if he shows just a little.
01:41:20
Speaker 2: Bit in a couple of weeks Dustin. We've seen Kevin Pritchett and Chad u Can and pulled off some miraculous trades that have gone in Indiana's favor. Obi Toppin is one just to kind of name one of the few. Are other teams potentially when they get that call from Kevin pritchet to Chad you Can and they're like, wait, wait, wait, hold on, we need to rethink this because if these guys are calling us, then we may have something.
01:41:41
Speaker 6: Here a little But I mean, I think in fairness, I mean, I do think there's a lot of coaches in the league, gams in the league to sort of understand when they have a guy who's good that they're never going to be able to use, you know, and they don't have a problem necessarily with partying with those guys, you know, and seeing them bessful somebody else ma Aaron Neathmith and it will be the top in the two examples, I mean, I think just it just had gone south with the Knicks basically, and it was just never going to work out with him, and he had to get another home. And I think I don't think that there's probably that surprise that you know that it will be fit in Indiana, you know. And I think Aaron Neithmi is absolutely that case in Boston that you know, like you you know, like you can't. Anytime I've talked to anybody from Boston about him, they've been like, yeah, he just didn't have a chance with with Jalen and Jason there, like there was just never going to be an opportunity, you know, so like he had to go somewhere he was going to develop, He had to go somewhere he was going to play, and it wasn't going to be here. So like, so yes, I would say that you're like, okay, if he's a guy that you're just not sure of You probably recalculate your priors, but sometimes you're like, Okay, this guy, we're just not gonna be able to use him. And the Pacers have had guys like that, you know, I mean they had you know, I mean I think back to the Daniel Tye situation where like Rick carlile knew he had a functional center and Daniel Pice, but he also had Jackson and Jalen Smith, and they were young guys and they needed menu ite and so Tys just didn't fit. And literally they cut him because the Clippers had a space for him. You know, it wasn't because they didn't think he could play, you know, and they couldn't make a trade workout because nothing worked money wise. So there there are like if there's an even missy situation, you know, that might be a guy that they could get and the Pelicans looking like, well, we're never going to have a real opportunity to showcase this guy, or you know, I mean like when the heat just gave them to Thomas Bryant, like we don't have any use for him, Like we just we think he's a good player, we think he can help you. He can't help us because he's just not going to break through. You know, they're going to look for guys like that, And you know, I don't think other teams are going to feel bad, you know, so like they messed up if they give a guy a chance that he was never going to get in their organization.
01:43:41
Speaker 1: I realize health is a big part of what I'm about to ask Dustin. Dustin up here is our guest job House Peel and poor guest line. He's with the Indianapolis Star. I realize health is a factor here. Okay, But having said that, sure, of these four players, I want you to tell me which one you think we will historically look back on this season and say it was the most missed opportunity for them to finally emerge. Ben Matherin, Ben Shephard, Jerris Walker, Isaiah Jackson.
01:44:12
Speaker 6: Ben Matherin, Yeah, Ben Matherin. I mean, I think I might say jerrifs Walker in a month. I do think Walker's done a couple of good things lately, and I'm not but but I might. I might change my mind on that if Walker goes back South. You know, I might elevate Walker over that because Walker hasn't not like what's amazing is like Walker hasn't missed the game, you know, and and just like what considering all the time he was waiting to get an opportunity, you know, like for there was a lot of squandered opportunity. I'm holding back and putting him there just because at the last couple of games, I'm starting to see it, and you know, like it was interesting for Carla to really push that.
01:44:52
Speaker 4: Now.
01:44:52
Speaker 6: Part of that might be that, hey, if you are thinking of a big move, you need Walker to look good too, because you might have to move Mather and Walker together if you're swinging big enough. If you're looking for a twenty million dollar player, you need to be able to package matter in a Walker together, because that's you need to get just to get there for salary purposes, you know, like you might have to move both. And Kwylout might have been really making a point of pushing Walker to say, Hey, everybody, take a look at this guy.
01:45:18
Speaker 4: But he's been better lately.
01:45:19
Speaker 6: He's legitimately done some things that you hadn't seen him do yet. I think that this defense has been better. He's been more solid defensively, you know, passing has been sharper, cutting has been sharper, drives has been sharper. Just everything's been a little bit better the last couple of weeks. So, you know, but if that progress goes away, I might flip that, you know, but Matherin's had just so many opportunities. I mean, some of it is, some of it is also. I mean he looked really good early and you know when he got hurt, when he got back the second time between injuries, really during that eleven game, you know, that thirteen game losing streak, and he played eleven those games, you were like, where where is been?
01:45:55
Speaker 1: Massive?
01:45:55
Speaker 6: Man? You know, like what like you're not even seeing what you're used to seeing out of him. And I thought, you know, maybe even if he wasn't making a case for the Pacers, even if even if you were saying, okay, well with Haliburton out, he can't really prove himself that he fits. You know, it's just a question of him showing out so that he can get paid elsewhere. You didn't see him show out like that, you know, I mean, like the games before his first injury, and even you know, kind of early on in his return, you're like, okay, like this guy, he is a scorer. He is a good player. He makes them better, you know, But that had eleven games like they were, they were they were worse with him than they have been since he's been out, and you know that, I think strikes it as a misopportunity. There was a chance for him, even if he was going to make his money with the Pacers, that he could have made some money somewhere else.
01:46:39
Speaker 1: And I feel like Isaiah Jackson. The unfortunate thing for Jackson has been the injury and the limit of times he's been able to be out on the floor.
01:46:46
Speaker 3: But dust and I'll be honest, I had not seen enough.
01:46:49
Speaker 1: Body of work or evidence to say that he had returned to his pre injury self.
01:46:54
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
01:46:55
Speaker 6: Sure? Yeah, no, he and he'd admit that, you know, I mean I think he in there And he said, like you don't you know, we we've asked. Isaiah is incredibly honest, and Isaiah gave us like very you know, verty not graphics, not the word, but I mean he just like when we asked them about the concussion, I mean, he gave us every symptom he had. And like Isaiah's just he's just that honest. You asked him a question, he gives you an answer, you know. I mean he was straightforward telling us this is how much how much weight he gained when he wasn't able to run, and how he gained it, you know, going to raising Kaines by the place he was getting hyperbaric work. And so if you ask Isaiah to say, no, I'm not quite as explosives, like it does take a while to get back, and it does. I think alarm belts isn't the word, but like it should. You should then take that and apply it to Tyres Haliburton too and say that. You know, like if you think Tyree's is going to walk in he's going to be the same guy as he was in games, you know, like Game.
01:47:48
Speaker 4: Seven before the injury, he's not. It's going to take a while.
01:47:51
Speaker 6: Before, you know, like he's gonna be able to play, He's gonna be able to be useful, he's going to make them better. But you're not going to see top level tie in October. It's going to be a few months at least. And I think that's the case with Isaiah would just tell you like to explode, you know, like there's trusting it. There's the mental side of it. There's the conditioning side of it, you know, there's your body changes. I mean his body changed, he is, you know, and I think you're going to see the same thing with Haliburton, not the same level. I think Isaiah got bigger than Haliburton's going to get. But like you know, you go a while without being able to do any cardio and your body changes. You know, you would add the muscle, but you're not as light on your feet as you were. You know, Isaiah was a long, skinny guy who jumped really really high and now he's bigger, stronger, and more physical and there's some things that made him better with that, but he's not the same high flyer that he was. So you'll see, you know, like it impacts different people different ways. I mean, I think you're going to see a stronger Tyreus Haliburton in October. He is going to be better fit to deal with contact, is going to be as fast, you know, I don't know. That's going to be an interesting thing to watch. So this is it, you know again, it sets you back for a long time and it changes your body, it changes your mind. It's an injury that that does mess with mess with you. Would it takes you a while to come back and be the same person you were before.
01:49:03
Speaker 3: It Indianapolis Star where you can read his work.
01:49:06
Speaker 1: He'll have the cover to the Pacers and Celtics for tonight's game. That is a seven o'clock tip pregame at six thirty and dust it is a seven thirty tonight.
01:49:15
Speaker 6: I think it is I double hit. Let me make sure, Eddie, But I think I just saw that on the Apples.
01:49:20
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. It is seven thirty.
01:49:22
Speaker 1: Yes, looks like somebody's fine writing on our little boarding here. Eddie needs some amendment.
01:49:28
Speaker 2: Look at the look at it today.
01:49:30
Speaker 6: I apologize, Eddie. I was not trying to come.
01:49:33
Speaker 1: I'm Eddie Jake.
01:49:36
Speaker 2: Look at the today on the fan We've gotten on the horizon at six.
01:49:41
Speaker 1: Seven, Dustin, do you ever watch Judge Judy.
01:49:45
Speaker 6: No, No, it's on sometimes Judge Wopper.
01:49:48
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna let Dustin. We're gonna play Judge Dustin. You're ready, Judge Dustin. I'm looking at a board that Eddie and his brilliant handwriting that actually looks like most girls that I went to middle school with.
01:49:58
Speaker 3: But he does have nice Penmanshi.
01:50:00
Speaker 4: Actually that's really a high compliment.
01:50:01
Speaker 3: I know he has very mention.
01:50:02
Speaker 1: It says this week in sports Pacers at Celtics Wednesday at seven p pregame at six thirty P. Underneath that it says today on the horizon at six pm, Pacers at Celtics at seven pm.
01:50:19
Speaker 3: Pre game, right, yes, pre game at.
01:50:23
Speaker 1: Seven All right, Dustin, thanks for settling that up, even though you didn't actually offer any sort of a verdict. But I can tell you agreed with you felt my pain. We're both right, We're both right. That's fair.
01:50:34
Speaker 3: That's fair.
01:50:34
Speaker 1: Appreciated, Dustin. I think I Dustin Appirac, who's in Boston. By the way, the last time I was in Boston covering a PACER's Celtics game playoffs, Reggie Miller's last year.
01:50:45
Speaker 3: That was the year that I was dead asleep.
01:50:47
Speaker 1: At about two o'clock in the morning, a little British fella came walking in the room with his little roll suitcase and said.
01:50:52
Speaker 2: Is it a British version of Derek? Is that what you're talking about?
01:50:54
Speaker 3: Yes, very much so. And he said, excuse me, I believe you in my room, and I said, clearly not.
01:51:00
Speaker 1: It appears as though you just walked into mine and his name was Stenson. The only reason I know that is because he left. Heney went to the what's at Barney Stinson from how I met your mother? I don't know he's British. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do you like the Maats? It's the first thing he asked me. But once he left, then all I know is mister Stenson apparently was still on British time, because he put a wake up call in for like four thirty in the morning, which they called to my room at four thirty like five six, I think seven. Finally I got so fed up and tired with it because I couldn't get any sleep that I went down to the front desk wearing boxers and a T shirt, my hair all tossled, and was like, yeah, listen, I'm in room two thirty eight and I'm not mister Stenson.
01:51:41
Speaker 3: Can he please?
01:51:42
Speaker 1: We're sorry, sir, so I still have a two free nights at a hotel in Boston if you ever want to use him. I'm thinking statuteal limitations probably were out on that. I never did cash it in, but Pacer Celtics tonight seven thirty pregame at seven we come back. There are some jejob openings in the world of sports, and it could relate to one of your notable coaches here in Indy. We'll explain now, Eddie, is this intentional? This is intentional?
01:52:11
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I'll say.
01:52:14
Speaker 1: In the National Football League, there are a number of coaching vacancies.
01:52:22
Speaker 3: Several have been filled.
01:52:24
Speaker 1: Some of those kind of happened quietly, if you will, Kevin Stefanski going to Atlanta, leading Baker Mayfield to post. Of course you never know any more, like what's real, what's fake, whatever else. But it appears as a Baker Mayfield sent a post saying, I remember when you know I'm paraphrasing. Stefanski was in Cleveland when Baker Mayfield was sent out, and he said, really looking forward to the coach that still has yet to call or text me after I was driven out of Cleveland, looking forward to seeing you twice a year. But a multiple NFL Coach of the Year now in Atlanta, John Harbaugh in New York with the Giants.
01:53:10
Speaker 3: Tennessee getting defensive.
01:53:14
Speaker 1: And going with the former Jets coach that, if I recall correctly, I remember when the Jets made a coaching change and this is one of those names that I always mispronounced. I realized that Robert Salah Selah Salah, I always.
01:53:39
Speaker 3: Get it wrong.
01:53:40
Speaker 1: But either way, when he was with the Jets and got fired, I remember thinking, like what I mean, he got like a fifty million dollar payout or some ridiculous amount of money. And at that time, I remember them saying, you know, hey, what's your next move going to be? And I think he even said like, I'm going to be on a beach for a while. I'm thinking, heck, yeah. He's now in Tennessee, though, and a good coach and a coach that, despite his record in New York I think was seen as a defensive mind, is just kind of a tougher coach, and Tennessee just has I mean, they are down and out for certain right now, and I do think cam Ward started to show some things though. But the jobs that are open Pittsburgh, Buffalo, the Las Vegas Raiders, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Arizona. Now, of those jobs, I think if you had to list it, Baltimore and Buffalo would be the two most desirable because they have the most important piece, and that is quarterback. Now you could factor in do you want to go live in Buffalo.
01:54:54
Speaker 3: I get that, but.
01:54:57
Speaker 1: And eventually at some point are going to start to question whether or not Josh Allen is for the long term the guy, I mean, I get that also, right, But with all of that said, he is still massively talented. That roster may not be as good as we think, and Alan as talented as he is. We saw in the game that where they were eliminated, you know, taking care of the football, what do I always say, teams when they lose, it usually is a microcosm of their season, and Buffalo and Josh Allen taking care of the football sometimes has been a boogaboo, no question about that. But of those jobs. And lou an Arumo again rumored to be or are going to, I should say, interview in Buffalo or Buffalo has asked permission, correct Eddie to talk to lou Anarum.
01:55:43
Speaker 2: That's correct. That was from Diana Russini a few hours ago. Yeah, that Loui an Arumo has been requested to be viewed by the Bills for their head coaching vacancy. Just a reminder, this is a third different team that has now reached out for lou Anarumo. The New York Giants did it. I know, initially when that job was open, Baltimore had not parted ways with John Harball yet, so he was one of the names that a bunch of fans in New York were clamoring for. Then John Harball became open, They're like, oh, we want Harball. And then Tennessee who hired Robert Sala. They were also a team that interviewed lou anmoh And now add the Buffalo Bills time.
01:56:18
Speaker 1: I always forget how to say Robert Sala's name. It's kind of like ebookom right.
01:56:23
Speaker 2: Bob Salah.
01:56:25
Speaker 3: Bob Salah is.
01:56:30
Speaker 2: I don't know the Jerry still out like he was obviously New York with the Jets. But since Rex Ryan, who is Who's who has succeeded with the Jets. But I got a good question for you. You you followed the NFL for a while. Now, is Josh Allen this year's or this generation's John Elway? But he's obviously one of the best players at his position, one of the best players in the league, but just somehow falls up short in the postseason.
01:56:59
Speaker 1: Yes, but yes, but you could even make the argument that perhaps Allen has had previously. That's a very good comparison because Elway was so dangerous with his legs at a time when a lot of quarterbacks were not. You know, one of my more unpopular opinions, especially considering the market in which I'm working. But the more that I go through it, the more that I think that John Elway might be the greatest quarterback of all time in terms of raw talent. Now I know Brady Brady. To me, I've really my level of respect for Tom Brady and appreciation for Tom Brady has really gone up since he's been in the booth because and I'm not saying other quarterbacks wouldn't have this his ability, like when he did a dissertation on the different angle in which you throw the football in wind versus non wind conditions, and the way you hold it, and just the analytics of everything that his mind is able to tell you about playing the quarterback position. Maybe every quarterback has that, but it's pretty remarkable. And I know that Manning is amazing, and Manning, you know, I think I took for granted because I covered every game Manning played, just the greatness with which I was working, because I had to look at it so antiseptically, but I can't deny that. But Elway. Your point is a good one, Eddie, because Elway was a guy that forever was an elite talent producer that couldn't win the big games quote unquote until he had a running game. And then when they got out and they got him and they brought in Sorell Davis, all of a sudden, then boom, he wins back to back and then he rides off in the sunset.
01:58:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. I recently watched the Elway documentary documentary. If I could talk documentary on Netflix, I'm like, that's Josh Allen.
01:59:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Josh.
01:59:01
Speaker 1: That is a very fair because of his ability. The thing that Elway did that was so unique at that time was his ability to run and throw across his body mid stride. Was almost unforeseen. You know, Tarkent Dion probably could do it, but it was almost unforeseen at the time in which he came in Cunningham, but Cunningham didn't have the I don't think he had the arm strength, but not the precision that Elway did. But I would say Buffalo Baltimore are the two most desirable jobs that are available, followed probably by I think Pittsburgh would be very high on the list because of the solidarity. You know if you go to Pittsburgh that you're probably going to be there a long time because they don't like to cycle through coaches. I don't know why anybody Vegas would be of intrigue because you have the number one pick. Yep, depends on how much you like Mendoza. You can't have number one. You've got brock Bowers.
01:59:50
Speaker 3: That's it.
01:59:50
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got correct you have two solid pieces to support a young quarterback, Max Crosby, uh Cleveland and Arizona. Cleveland is just dumpster fire at the quarterback position. That's the problem there. And I don't necessarily even mean that from the standpoint of talent within the quarterback room, but just the you're con you got guys that everybody wants this guy or that guy or this guy that guy Arizona. I don't think they have any idea what they're gonna do with Kyler Murray, right right.
02:00:17
Speaker 2: Obviously that's somebody that's going to be on the move, it sounds like, but nothing you know for sure, just because of the contract that Kyler Murray's got. It's one of the worst contracts in the NFL and finding a team you know, willing to take that, and some of the question marks just around his character in terms of how much he has dedicated to the game. You know, there's been so much about you know, a call of duty clause or whatever in his contract extension, this, that, and the other. I'm interested on the Pittsburgh front of things, though, out of all the jobs that are still open because they had the oldest roster last year, they currently don't have a quarterback. I mean, they have Will Howard, who they drafted in what the fourth or fifth round this past April, but outside of that, there's there's not really a ton to work with offensively, Like, they don't have a marquee name wide receiver. Sure they have DK Metcalf, but DK Metcalf isn't really the superstar receiver that some of these other teams have.
02:01:15
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like Metcalf's also aging? Yeah, a little bit, like you know what I mean that the Sands running through the hourglass on that one.
02:01:21
Speaker 2: I did like their run game with Kenneth Gainwell and Jalen Warren this past year, but outside of that, there's just not a lot to be desired on the offense in side of the football.
02:01:31
Speaker 1: I think that we and I'm guilty of this. I talked a lot for a long time about how the running game and the running back position have become kind of obsolete in today's NFL, and I say that, But yet, if you look at Los Angeles, meaning the Rams, you look at Seattle for certain you know their ability to complementary use their running game to keep defenses at bay and then get their passing game going.
02:02:02
Speaker 6: Well.
02:02:02
Speaker 1: When you have some of the weapons that Sam Darnold has, when you have some of the weapons that Matt Stafford has, it's going to be tough anyway to corral that passing game. But then all of a sudden, they just kind of knife at you here and there in the running game and it changes things.
02:02:16
Speaker 3: It just does.
02:02:19
Speaker 1: It, and it makes it in Seattle is as good as anybody at it.
02:02:23
Speaker 4: Now.
02:02:23
Speaker 1: They may be banged up here and we'll see what happens moving forward, but you got to have the backs as well. And that's why I think you know that Vegas, for example, I don't know that you go running reliant, but running complimentary is certainly a good way of doing things, No question, about it will come back. Jmv's in the building. I saw him walking around. We'll do the crossover. We'll find out what he's got going as well. We'll do it on the other side. Of course. That's brought to you by Love Heating and Air Love dash HVAC dot com three one seven three five three twenty one forty one, over one hundred years in business for Love Heating and Air. I believe I'm correct in this. Do you know what this song and NASA have in common?
02:03:07
Speaker 3: Eddie?
02:03:07
Speaker 10: There would be no reason for you to know this, by the way, they're both out of this world. Yes, yes, you're actually correct, and I'll tell why I believe.
02:03:19
Speaker 1: I believe that I'm correct in this. I believe that NASA, or I think it was the NASA organization put together essentially a for lack of a better phrase, a time capsule, but basically an Earth capsule that they launched into orbit or released into orbit, and it has a number of trinkets to describe life on planet Earth. And it has in it in this because as if, like you know, somebody from the planet Enoch that discovers this is going to know how to work a CD player They're probably going to say, like, well, what the heck is this?
02:04:04
Speaker 3: Can I download this to my phone?
02:04:06
Speaker 1: But this floating box that's out in space contains a device to play music, and it has one disc with one song to describe what music is on planet Earth, and that song is Johnny be good by Chuck Berry. I'm ninety five percent certain that I'm correcting that. If not, then I just told the weirdest story ever on radio of something that I had some sort of dream or vision, like you know, after eating a bad meal before three forty eight.
02:04:36
Speaker 2: In the morning, which is entirely possible, or rating my snack drawer thinking you were getting peach gummies instead of.
02:04:44
Speaker 1: When's the next time? When's the next time you're going to be in Seattle?
02:04:47
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I don't know if for making the Seattle trip this year, we got a bigger trip planned a couple months.
02:04:53
Speaker 1: Oh where's that?
02:04:54
Speaker 4: Oh?
02:04:54
Speaker 1: I believe you told me this? Are you at Liberty two divorces?
02:04:57
Speaker 3: Not yet.
02:04:59
Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it, Jake. I don't want to jinx I want to make sure we are locked and loaded. But Te's and ies dotted and crossed before I make that announcement.
02:05:09
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
02:05:12
Speaker 4: The uh.
02:05:14
Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to ask you about this about Seattle. I thought about this. I try to be very conscientious of the listening audience and of the brand of the station and what we're doing.
02:05:25
Speaker 3: Right.
02:05:26
Speaker 1: I will readily admit I'm not necessarily a fan of the Seahawks, but I've always loved their uniforms. And as I mentioned before, the Seattle Seahawks when I was a kid were always the late game. They were always the four o'clock game from the Kingdome, and they weren't very good. They were okay, I mean they were always competitive, but Kingdome or Kingdom, that would be the Kingdome, the Kingdom of the Kingdome, right, And I have a fabulous shirt that you gave me that has the Kingdome on it that says Seattle.
02:05:53
Speaker 3: I love their colors.
02:05:54
Speaker 1: I love the gym Zorn uniforms, the green, the blue, you know all that, and what I see, even though now they haven't played indoors in forever, when I see the Seahawks play, it does kind of remind me of those those days, you know, with like a fire in the fireplace and watching it when I was a little kid, and so I've always kind of liked the Seahawks and I don't like, I don't dislike per Se, but the Rams are okay, they're cool. My buddy Andre Murray is a huge Rams fan. We got like a little I mean, they're cool. But I'm not a fan of the Patriots. I'm just kind of EH on the Patriots and I'm kind of EH on the Broncos. So I guess just by default, I'm like, yeah, I really do want to see Seattle win. And I have I think a total of I might have three or four Seahawks T shirts, and admittedly I have them because I like the look of it and I like the logo you got me one of them. Question is considering I'm doing a sports talk radio program in Indianapolis, Indiana, and they are the cults here in Indianapolis, Indiana, and people are Colts fans and they're watching on YouTube, thank you very much. When I'm doing the show here, is it like not cool if I wear a Seahawks T shirt on when I'm doing the show and I'm not doing it like in a I'm painting my face. Let's go Seahawks. Way as much as Yeah, like, I think they're like sporty and fashionable and it's cool they're playing.
02:07:19
Speaker 3: Eddie.
02:07:20
Speaker 1: I'll let you be the judge and jury on this. Your thoughts, if.
02:07:25
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, Jake, I was doing some production work back here, so I only call it Eddie. I'll bring you in on this, your thoughts. Going to assume it has something to do with just the Seahawks and their uniforms and their colors being one of the greatest and all the sports, and I would agree.
02:07:41
Speaker 1: Do you people are you hearing? Are you hearing what it is here? You know, in the song Civil War by Guns and Roses? Do you have the song civil War by Guns and Roses?
02:07:52
Speaker 3: Cute up, Betty?
02:07:53
Speaker 2: I don't have a cute up, Jake. It's not like I have these things just at my disposal here. I've got to search for it this time. You also did say earlier, Jake, that you know, the attention span of people is, you know, not as long as other as it used to be. And so you know, you lost me there for a second when you after you're talking about Seattle, what did I miss?
02:08:17
Speaker 1: Good and good and pop me up over here?
02:08:19
Speaker 2: If you could Okay, we've.
02:08:25
Speaker 3: Got here is failure.
02:08:31
Speaker 1: Some man, you just can't.
02:08:34
Speaker 3: I tried.
02:08:35
Speaker 1: I tried what we had here last week, which is the way.
02:08:40
Speaker 2: By the way, No.
02:08:41
Speaker 1: I was simply asking, I'll let listen, I'll let JMV answer. Okay, John, here's my question for you. You're sure. Yes. When I was a kid, and I don't know if you remember this or not, but in my memory football games when I was a kid on Sunday, the late game, the four o'clock game. Yeah, more often than not. In my memory, I allays remember seeing the Seattle Seahawks in the Kingdome. I don't know why, but I love their uniforms. Yeah, back then I thought they were cool. So I have a handful of Seahawks T shirts that I bought, mostly because I love the logo. Sure, but I'm like, you know what, I might as well give myself a rooting interest here down the stretch and I'll just follow the Seahawks here since they're still in it.
02:09:21
Speaker 3: But is it.
02:09:22
Speaker 1: Uncool if I wear a Seahawks T shirt doing a radio show in Indianapolis this week? I don't think so. Is it throwback too?
02:09:29
Speaker 4: Yeah?
02:09:29
Speaker 11: I think you can wear a throwback of anybody's Yeah, and it's not like the Seahawks are this huge rival of the Colts, and the Seahawks aren't keeping the Colts out of the postseason. The Colts are keeping the Colts right out of the post Yes, Sunburn, by the way, did I really I didn't think so, man, Really, huh. I had a good ass time down there, buddy. Let me tell you how much sleep did you get?
02:09:50
Speaker 1: Not much.
02:09:51
Speaker 11: I was on the bus that was struggling yesterday trying to get back here.
02:09:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:09:55
Speaker 11: I was between two dudes. It was like three bros. I was the last one of the plane on the way down and on the way back. I have no idea how that happens. Well, I dude, know, when I was going down, I was in the bar and then somebody said, hey, you know what, this is last call for your flight here, and I go okay, So I.
02:10:12
Speaker 1: Jumped on it. But I was last on coming back yesterday. So were you on an airline that had assigned seating or I was southwest?
02:10:22
Speaker 11: I was southwest, so the rest of the group when Allegiant I went southwest.
02:10:26
Speaker 3: So you were in the middle.
02:10:27
Speaker 1: I was.
02:10:27
Speaker 11: I was in the middle. I took the last seat on the plane available. It was full except for the seat that my ass sat down in. Yeah, you're the guy that everybody's like. You know, there were two good you know that there were two people that right there.
02:10:40
Speaker 1: This would be They're like, oh man, this would be huge if nobody shows up in this middle seat and they were both hanging incredibly as low as made too. It's like three hanging low bros. Back there.
02:10:49
Speaker 11: What person of that crowd was Indiana six sixty five? I said sixty five? I thought easily sixty five.
02:10:56
Speaker 1: Now, other than the foo bar of getting in the stadium, and I think you played it smart because you got there late and so it wasn't as heck. Shout out to Kyle Kinnett man.
02:11:04
Speaker 11: Yeah, for the driver, right he got He got me a driver and a black SUV and that guy got me out there thirty minutes before the kick and then he was to do it. He was waiting in the parking lot for me when I was done.
02:11:15
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it now. But how was the stadium? Is it a cool stadium? That's I think it's great. There's not a bad seat in the place, to be honest, yeah. The only thing there are no TVs in the concourse. It does weird look very big, like it doesn't look like it's a huge venue, you know. And that's my one complaint with Lucas Oil has always been it's so cavernous. It's just it's almost too bad.
02:11:33
Speaker 11: They have the F one race. They have a track. The F one track goes around the stadium.
02:11:38
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.
02:11:39
Speaker 11: You get to walk over that to go there. But I thought it was easy in and easy out. We actually beat the bus back by an hour and a half because it was me and Jaylaw who came back with me in this suv, and then two the people I were sitting next to, Mike and somebody else I apologize for not remember the name.
02:11:58
Speaker 1: They were just sitting.
02:11:59
Speaker 11: There and I said, hey, you got just want to get back quicker than going on this bus. They go, oh yeah, so they just now. The problem I had is I forgot where he parked, and I had to call him and go, hey, Lenny, I forgot where where am I here?
02:12:09
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember where he was at the parking lot.
02:12:11
Speaker 11: But we got out there okay, and he got back all of Zionsville Jake was in this diplomat hotel.
02:12:17
Speaker 1: I met everybody from Zionsville.
02:12:19
Speaker 3: Half a Hamilin County was up there too.
02:12:20
Speaker 1: It was incredible.
02:12:21
Speaker 2: Two quick things before we go, John, the happy belated birthday to Laney.
02:12:26
Speaker 1: Laney Lou was sixteen yesterday.
02:12:28
Speaker 2: Today it's my sister's birthday.
02:12:30
Speaker 1: So happy birthday, sister. That's awesome.
02:12:31
Speaker 11: A Blake is the twenty sixth and he's going to Miami Friday as a birthday gift.
02:12:35
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Yeah, Mike Thomas.
02:12:38
Speaker 2: Is going to Miami there.
02:12:41
Speaker 1: To get Lenny to drive him around. But no, thank you, Eddie. Lanny had a great sixteenth yesterday, So thank you. John's up next. You'll bring you home. We'll be back with you noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to Couring Company.
