Aliens & Angels: October 25th, 2026 – Natalie Smearman | Rakes & Other Cryptids

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Karen Holton TV presents the Aliens and Angels podcast. Meet experiencers, contactees, abductees,
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ET human hybrids, and more weird paranormal states of reality. Hi, everybody.
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Welcome back to the Aliens and Angels podcast. So glad
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to have you here. My name is Karen Holton. For
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those of you who don't know me, And this is
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also Karen Holton TV. Today, I'm happy to bring on
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a brand new guest, Natalie Smearman. For those of you
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who are not familiar with her, let me tell you
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a little bit about this amazing woman. Honest to God,
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she's busier than a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest.
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I always tell her that because she's just so interesting.
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I follow her on Facebook and her adventures are wide
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and deep, let me tell you. Natalie Smearman is a
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paranormal investigator, a lifelong experiencer, storyteller, and member of Relic Films.
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Her research and fieldwork encompass hauntings, shadow figures, Bigfoot, the
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Hat Man, cryptids, and other unexplained phenomena. Natalie is also
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a member of Relic Films Media, where she where curiosity
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meets the unexplained. They are a passionate team of cryptid
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and paranormal researchers dedicated to uncovering the truth behind incidents
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of high strangeness. From shadowy forests to haunted locales, they
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venture into the unknown, driven by a shared mission to
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seek answers to the mysteries that defy explanation. At Relic
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Films Media, they believe that the mysteries that keep them
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coming back. Sorry. Sorry, guys. At Relic Films Media, they
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believe that they can't seem to read today. I don't
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know what my problem is.
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I'm sorry.
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I'll try it again. They believe that the search for
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truth is an adventure in itself. While they may not
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always find the answers they seek, they embrace the mysteries
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that keep them coming back for more. Join them as
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they shine a light on the shadows of the unexplained.
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The truth is out there. Let's uncover it together. Natalie
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is also the co-host of the Paranormal Among Us podcast,
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which delves into ghost stories, UFO encounters, Bigfoot sightings, psychic experiences,
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and the people who lived through them. Each week, Paul
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and Natalie talk with paranormal investigators, researchers, authors, psychics, experiencers,
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and eyewitnesses about hauntings, UFOs, cryptids, near-death experiences, unexplained phenomena,
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and the stories behind them. Natalie also co-hosts the Blondes
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and Booze podcast. where they love to talk all things weird.
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This includes ghosts, demons, haunted locations, Bigfoot, dogmen, all types
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of inhumanoids, UFOs, aliens, etc. They offer a little bit
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of weirdness for everyone during their two live shows each
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week on Thursday and Friday evenings at 8 p.m.
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Central.
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All of the links are featured below in the description.
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Join us in the live chat to share your comments
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and your questions. And I want to thank you in
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advance for liking, commenting, subscribing, and please do share my content.
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With your friends.
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And I'm happy to announce you can become a member
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of my channel and enjoy the perks and help to
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support my channel. So without any further ado, let me
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bring her on. Natalie, so nice to see you. How
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are you?
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I'm fantastic. How are you?
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Good. I'm good. As I mentioned off screen, I'm having
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a little problem with ghost in the machine. I don't
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know if anyone.
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Else out there is.
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Maybe you could leave me a comment if you are.
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I have something has decided to reschedule my lives, misfile
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my emails. It is just been nuts. Sometimes when I
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go to shut down my computer, it won't let me
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because it says there's an agent working on my computer.
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What the hell, guys? Yeah. Enough about me.
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Natalie, what's new and exciting for you? And did I
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miss anything in the introduction that you want to share?
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You were phenomenal. Thank you so much. Relic TV is
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on Roku and Fire TV. Also, Relic Films has our
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own podcast now called Liminal Operators, which is a call-in show.
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And if you have anything strange and unusual that you
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want to talk about, we're here to take it. And
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that's periodically on Fridays. We'll do that maybe once or
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twice a month. Wonderful.
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Denise, thank you so much.
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My wonderful moderator. I forgot.
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I was so busy trying to get ready for the show.
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I forgot to put in the live chat. I want
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to thank Denise. She's amazing. She is my, my first moderator,
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my main moderator. I have a couple others bless their
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hearts too. but she puts the links and everything in
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there so that I can just click on them and
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have them show up on the screen for everybody. Denise,
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welcome and bless your heart for being here. And she's
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put a few of my own links. There's my link
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tree where everybody can find everything. Just scrolling through the
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live chat, uh, Natalie, before we get into stuff, just to, um, uh,
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say hi to everybody and, um, Just keep going here.
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Let's see who else we have.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Denise, you're too good to me. What can I say?
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What would I ever do without you? Oh, we've got
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Terry B. in the house. Hi, beautiful Karen and Denise
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and Natalie. And they say they are with me. We've
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got Hillbilly Herb. He's my old faithful. He's here for
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every show. Gosh, I sure appreciate you.
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Hillbilly Herb.
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Uh we got plague alert in the house and uh
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yeah terry agrees with me denise is the mod with
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the mostest the hostess for sure she's awesome um and
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did i already mention plague alert plague alert welcome welcome
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welcome okay so that's basically people will still be coming
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in But, you know, what I really want to talk about, Natalie,
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is anything you want to talk about, but specifically the rakes.
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I never even heard of rakes until this year. Everyone's
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familiar with Bigfoot and Dogman and Mothman and, you know, ETs.
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And I had never heard of rakes before. And when
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I saw, and there again, talking about the ghost in
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the machine, I had lined up a couple of short
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video clips so that people could see that they're not just,
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they're not generated by AI, they're real things. And I
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was surprised at how much they look like what we
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would consider stereotypical greys. And I'm wondering how much overlap
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there might be. So Natalie, why don't you tell us
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a bit about the rakes and if you have any
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experiences with them. And I'm just going to throw on
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the screen here. I'm going to throw on the screen
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just a couple images while you talk, if that's okay.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. So I had heard stories about these rakes
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or what's called pale crawlers. And they, you know, you
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have to wonder like, are they real? Are they not real?
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If you really, really read into the rake, it's, they're
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not quote unquote, not real. But if you look at
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a pale crawler, the pale crawler and the rake are,
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they go hand in hand and the pale crawlers people
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have seen. And so we call them rakes. It's easier
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that way. And I have never seen one. I have
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only read stories. I've listened to interviews about them. One
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interview I listened to a gentleman was in the very
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far North. He was, he had a tower in a
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forest that he was up and he saw something moving
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towards him and he got down and he started shooting
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his pew pew at this creature, hit him several times
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in the torso. The creature dropped to the ground. He
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thought he unalived the creature and, And a few moments later,
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the creature got up and ran away. Wow. And so
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that makes you think like, what, what more is there?
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And I have also heard interviews of someone using their
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pew pew on them and then black liquid coming out
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as if it's blood, but it's just, it's just, Oh,
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it's disgusting.
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But yeah. Blake Alert wants to know if they are
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by any chance skinwalkers or by another name.
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Is that possible? You know, that is a great question.
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And that is a question that we also have because
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we don't know enough about these things. And, you know,
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when I encountered, me and the team encountered these creatures,
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we weren't going out there. This was not on our
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bingo card to come across these. creatures. And we were
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there for the sole purpose in this one area of
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the land between the lakes, LBL of Kentucky, that we
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were just going out there to make contact with whatever
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that is there. What is normally there and what people
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encounter are Bigfoot or Sasquatch and Dogmans. And there's also
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paranormal activity. So that's what we were trying to do.
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And that in our head, that's what we were going
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to do. And so we get to this one location
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of very high strangeness. After days of doing various experiments
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as to what would work and what wouldn't work with
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going out and doing night investigations, we decided that we
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would walk into this area vulnerable. with a team of
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women and we had two cameramen, Greg Ogles and Jim Powell,
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both Jim and Greg were armed with tiny pew pews
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in their jackets, not walking in. None of us had
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gear on to make us look like we were military esque.
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We had no visible weapons on us. I did carry
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bear spray with me and we just walked in. But
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we walked in vulnerable, got to a certain location, and
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we picked a fight with whatever that was there. Earlier
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that week, I got growled at in base camp. And
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I told Greg, who's the owner and producer of Relic Films,
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I said, why don't I do this growl? And he's like,
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do it. Let's find out. Let's just see what will happen.
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So I do three of these growls. And from the
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ridge line way up above, you hear this pounding and
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like the boom, boom, boom, and the ground shaking. And
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we're like, I've only heard about something like this happening.
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I have never witnessed anything like this. So this was
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brand new to all of us. So we are ready.
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We're like, okay. And it stopped. So I growled again.
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three more times and the pounding started again. And this
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time movement started coming in from all sides around us
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where we were standing was in the middle of a graveyard.
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And then we had all this, these trees and forests
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around us. Now in, for those of you not familiar
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with land between the lakes, it is a 170,000 acres
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of land. It is a massive land. patch of land
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that there is not a whole lot on. There's a
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couple of campsites. There's maybe a ranger station. You go
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in there and you rustic camp. And a lot of
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hunters will go in the outskirts looking for deer or whatever,
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but a lot of paranormal and cryptid investigators go in
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because it's an area. It's a huge hotspot. So we're
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in this graveyard and, It's the day before a full moon.
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So we don't need any flashlights or headlamps. The moon
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is illuminating a lot of what we're able to see.
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So all this movement starts coming in around us. We
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can hear it, but we can't see it. We're using
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our therms and nothing showing up on the therm because
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it's such thick forest around us. And there were a
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lot of leaves and branches. So we're not seeing anything yet.
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So Melissa, who was with us, another investigator, she started
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doing a couple howls, which created more of this pounding
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and the ground shaking, but this time is more rhythmic.
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And then at the top of the hill where the
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tree line was, I saw something illuminating behind a tree.
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And it was a bluish white light. It wasn't projecting light.
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It was just illuminating. Mm-hmm. And I asked, I said,
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is everybody seeing this? They're like, yeah. I'm like, does
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anybody know what this is? And they're like, no. So
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I'm like, okay, we need to keep an eye on
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this because that's not normal. So as we're moving through
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and just trying to take a look at what's coming
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out around us, Melissa gets sick, physically ill. She's nauseous.
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She's got a headache. And she's like, I'm not doing okay.
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And she's lightheaded. I said, get behind me because as
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we all know, these cryptids, will project energy towards a
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group of people. And some people will get sick. So
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I said, just get behind me. So she got behind me.
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And after a few minutes, she started to feel OK.
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She left. And then Jamie, who was with us, another
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female investigator, she got sick. She moved in behind me.
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Then all of a sudden, this strange sounding dog starts
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barking in a field behind us. Mm-hmm. Now, there's no
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houses out there. There's nothing for miles. And we're very like,
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now all of a sudden there's a dog barking. Then
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a couple, like maybe a minute later, we hear what
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sounds like a vehicle passing by with a radio on,
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but there's no roads. There is one dirt road in.
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That's it. And nobody was on this road because we
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could see it. Mm-hmm. It passed through and then nothing.
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So nobody saw anything, but we could hear it. Then
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we started hearing more movement and more movement all around us.
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And I looked up to the very top of the
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hill and that light that was illuminating behind that tree
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is now in a very elongated oval. And around this
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oval were little sparkling, twinkling lights. And I'm like, yes.
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And I said, is everybody seeing this? They're like, yes,
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we see it. So I'm getting confirmation. Everybody's seeing it.
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Nobody's knowing what's going on. And the movement is still
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moving in all around us. And the dog is still barking.
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So Jamie starts to feel better. She steps out and
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Greg goes, you know what? I'm going to do a
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long growl, a guttural deep growl and he does that
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all of a sudden I'm looking at that light at
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the top of the hill and out of that light
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comes this creature crawling on all fours with these long
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arms and long legs and you could tell that there
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was no fur because this it would they were very
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skinny and the elongated fingers you could see them and
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they're just crawling out and this thing crawled out standing
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there at the top of the hill And it's moving
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like this, almost like he's ready, like in a defensive stance.
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And as this is happening, Jamie and Melissa get sick
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again at the same time. They get in behind me
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and they're looking around. And so then, and I said,
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I see a crawler at my 12 o'clock because I
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announced it as soon as they got behind me. I'm like,
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there's a crawler. Cause that's the only thing that I
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could say. I didn't know anything more at that moment.
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Then a second one came out, stood right beside the
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other one. And they're both in this defensive stance, moving
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back and forth. And then the third one comes out.
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And I said, is everybody seeing this? And Jamie looked
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and she's like, what is that? And I'm like, I
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don't know. She's like, it's moving, but it doesn't look normal.
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And it's not like a Sasquatch. It's not anything that
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we know. And I'm like, I don't know what that is.
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I'm like, because at this point, it's at the top
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of the hill. And all three of them are moving
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back and forth. Now, we've heard about these crawlers in
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the LBL. We have had people say that they saw them. Mm-hmm.
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But I've never seen them before. So I'm like, okay,
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that must be a crawler because I can't identify that
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thing as anything else because it's at the top of
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the hill. Kristen Payton, who has a therm going, they
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are not showing up on my therm. They don't have
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a heat signature. I'm like, what? I'm like, they're moving
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and they don't have a heat signature. She's like, no,
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there's nothing. There's nothing showing up on my therm. I'm going,
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oh no. And then as soon as she said that,
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I hear Greg, who's to my right, scream. I look
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over and he took his very expensive camera, threw it
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from one hand, threw it to the other and he
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went and I looked up and one of these things
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is galloping and running towards us, charging us down the hill.
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I look at him and he's trying to go for
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his pew pew and I just grabbed my bear spray
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because I have two ladies behind me who are sick
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that don't know this thing is coming at them. I
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lunged forward and hit this thing with bear spray. Now
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I didn't know if it was going to work or not.
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I had no clue because I mean, has anybody, nobody's
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ever done that. So I hit it with bear spray
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to at least maybe give us some time and it worked.
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Wow.
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It stopped it. It retreated back. We had to retreat
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back too, because anybody that has ever dealt with bear spray,
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it's oily and it just sits after it's done spray.
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So we had to retreat backwards. We retreated down the
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hill at that time, Jamie and Melissa were feeling okay.
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As soon as we get down the hill, there is
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a patch of a dirt gravelly road where our trucks
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were parked.
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Mm-hmm.
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We're standing down there. And as soon as we got
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down there and we're looking around, we see the three
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crawlers at the top of the hill still in their
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stance watching us. Now the movement from the forest is
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moving in closer. Behind us, we hear a woman scream.
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Jim turns around with his camera and says, there is
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something standing in the field, the same field where that
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dog was barking. Kristen pops over, goes with a therm.
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She goes, I have a large bipedal creature in the
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field watching us. As soon as she said that, I
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looked to my left. Now I'm still watching these things
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up the hill. I looked to my left and there
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are two red orbs, large red orbs in front of
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my truck. I looked to the right. There were two
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large red orbs behind the other truck. I looked to
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my left again and a very massive and large Bigfoot
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walked behind my truck and disappeared like that. It was
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mind blowing. And I'll tell you, I don't have a
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large truck. Mine's a Santa Cruz, like, you know, smaller truck,
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but the bed of the truck is here. And when
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the Bigfoot walked, the bottom of his butt cheek was
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right on the top of where the bed of my
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truck was. He was on, he was sideways. He had
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no neck. It just went head to shoulders. Arms were massive.
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Legs were like this. The barrel of his chest standing
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sideways took up half my truck. To even describe how
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massive this thing was, I can't even describe. And for
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it to disappear like that. Yeah. I'm like, what just happened?
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And then as soon as that happened, all of our
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batteries died. All of our phones died. Our thermals stopped recording.
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In fact, that night, my therm got fried, completely fried.
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So I couldn't even, I can't even use it anymore.
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And we're like, what is happening right now? And then
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the movement starts coming in even closer and closer to
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where there was a large tree shrub thing, probably about
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30 yards away from us. that had something in it
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watching us. We couldn't get a visual because it was
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just so thick that we couldn't see it. But these
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three crawlers were still up there watching us and moving
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back and forth. And then that oval portal oval was
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still there wide open. And my producer, Greg Ogle said,
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I'm calling this, this is now a safety issue. we
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can't we have no way of recording no way of
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calling out no way of seeing what's going on beyond
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this because our cameras did have night vision on it
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so we could see now we're kind of dead in
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the water so he goes let's get in the trucks
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and get out of here we all went as a
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group because we had two trucks whoever was in my
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truck came with me we got in Melissa and Jamie
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got sick again in the truck. I felt like somebody
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was sitting on my chest and closing up my throat.
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I was like, we got to get out of here.
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And I just made sure that my truck started, their
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truck started, and we just took off. And as soon
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as we got to the top of the dirt road,
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which was a ways away, and we turned on to
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the other dirt road, all of our symptoms ended.
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Interesting. Interesting.
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And what was really interesting is the next day we
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talked to a lady who investigates in that area. Not
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long after that, she called us and said, what you
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guys experienced, those three rakes, those crawlers. She goes, we
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just encountered six of them. And they were up in
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the trees clicking back and forth to one another. and
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then a couple months later we didn't know there was
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another investigation group that went into the LBL right after
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us within two days after we left and they went
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to the exact same spot that same portal opened up
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and they had a very similar experience And we didn't
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say what we had experienced to them because we may,
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we're making a film. We can't go out and say, Hey,
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this is what happened. Cause you know, we have to
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make sure that the footage is there. Everything is there.
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They told us and we're like, wait, what? And we
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told them what happened to us. And they're like, we
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were in the same spot, except they brought a ghost box.
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And that ghost box said the woman's name and said,
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You're going to die. Oh, no.
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If it couldn't get any worse. I know.
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And I'm like, we didn't do that. But we should have.
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That's a great point. We'll bring a ghost box next time.
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Maybe we can get something over that ghost box. But afterwards,
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we did a lot of investigating as to what were
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those crawlers. And all of us were doing research.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, and then finally Melissa found a video. She goes,
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I think this might be it. And we're all watching this.
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And we're like, and as soon as this thing got
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down on all fours and started going like this in
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a defensive mode, we're like.
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That's it.
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That's it. And, you know, it was, they call it
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a pale crawler or a rake. Rake is the name
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used in gaming settings. And so I think what they
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did is they just looked at a pale crawler and said,
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let's call it a rake. And so, yeah, the, if
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you look up rake or pale crawler, you're going to
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see what that photo that you just brought up. And
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it is, there was, there was no negotiating with these things.
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There was no rationalizing what they were. They were ready
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to fight. And what really was, interesting to me is
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that the amount of Bigfoot sightings in that area and
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the fact that I saw one that night walk behind
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my truck, none of the Bigfoot were aggressive. They were
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not doing anything at all that would create this air of,
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we're going to go at you. There was no growling.
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There was no yelling, no howling. They were just there
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almost like What's going on? And then these pale crawlers,
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these rakes came out. And the best way in my
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head for me to try to rationalize this was if somebody,
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if I had a large yard and somebody I didn't
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know came into my yard growling, I'm not going to
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go out there. I'm going to send my vicious pit
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bulls out there and protect us. I think that's what
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it was. I don't know, but it seems pretty weird.
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Like what is the dynamic? What is the relationship between
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these pale crawlers and these Bigfoot? There's gotta be something
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more to that. And as everybody knows, as soon as
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you go into the forest and you start going in
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and investigating and spending the night and figuring things out
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and experiencing things, your questions that you think that you're
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going to get answered turn into 15 more questions that
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you have. So now we're like, we got to go
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back at some time. We have to figure this out because,
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you know, when something that profound happens to you that
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you are not expecting, that was not on our bingo
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card that night or any other night. And then for
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all of that to happen around us, And we're like,
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it was coming at us from all, we were completely surrounded.
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We had to sit and really just kind of digest
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what happened. and decompress and to have a few meetings
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about it. Like, what are your thoughts? These are what
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my thoughts are. This is this. And then we're like, okay,
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now we need to know this laundry list of questions
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as to what else is happening there. And so hopefully
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soon in the next year, We can go back with
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another team and try to recreate that scenario and see
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what happens.
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Oh, I agree. But, you know, it's going through my mind.
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I agree with some of the people in the chat.
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If I went next time, like I do not I
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would not want to hurt cryptids. That would not be
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on my card. But. If I saw those rape guys
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in their, you know, offensive maneuvers, man, I would want
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to have a flamethrower. I would want to have a
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big cross. I would have to have all my bases covered,
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maybe even a shotgun. I want to just quickly consider
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some of the comments from the chat.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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While you were giving amazing, amazing account of what happened.
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Hillbilly Herb says some think that they are aliens, which
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is interesting. I was thinking maybe they were inner earth
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cave dwellers. Definitely a mystery. So on the one hand, yeah.
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I mean, where's the overlap? Because I know between angels
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and extraterrestrials, there's a lot of overlap. Why not be
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a lot of overlap on the other side? Another person
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somewhere here in the chat asked if they were holographic.
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I would say no, because if they were not physical,
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they wouldn't have been offended by the bear spray. Would
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you agree with that?
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I do agree with that. And if they were holographic,
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they would have, when that one was charging us, there
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were obstacles in its way. And it was clearing all
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of those. So that would be very difficult to recreate.
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It's a great point though.
473
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Just, oh, that was the other thing I wanted to
474
00:31:49.869 --> 00:31:54.529
talk about. So Hillbilly Herb said, what a terrifying sounding experience.
475
00:31:54.589 --> 00:31:58.789
Cryptids coming out of nowhere, launching EMP attacks. Wow. That's
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00:31:58.829 --> 00:32:02.069
what I was going to say. So now I've heard
477
00:32:02.150 --> 00:32:08.940
different accounts of people experiencing like a low vibrational pulse
478
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:13.900
coming from, from um bigfoot which explains a lot because
479
00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:18.880
it seems to knock out our human sensory systems and
480
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:22.000
i'm sure it's a protection for them especially if we
481
00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:26.269
get near their young um and so i'm wondering um
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if if um all of these it's almost like they're
483
00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:33.059
in the same group but they might not be on
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00:32:33.099 --> 00:32:38.119
the same side or have the same intention. We've got portals.
485
00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:42.240
We've got different kinds of beings. We often hear about
486
00:32:42.329 --> 00:32:46.049
experiences where someone's gone out into the wilderness. They have
487
00:32:46.230 --> 00:32:50.190
clearly seen Bigfoot right there up close and personal, but
488
00:32:50.289 --> 00:32:52.970
also a dog man. And the dog man and the
489
00:32:53.029 --> 00:32:58.309
Bigfoot seem to telepathically communicate with each other. So I'm
490
00:32:58.369 --> 00:33:00.940
wondering what the heck is going on. Do we have
491
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:07.740
some secret experiments where they're cross doing genetic experiments. Are
492
00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:15.059
these all coming from another dimensional reality? And, you know, we,
493
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.160
we seem to think humans, oh, we're at the top
494
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.920
of the food chain.
495
00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:20.859
We're the brightest, the smartest. I don't think so.
496
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:23.220
My cat in some ways is smarter than I am,
497
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.460
but I'm just, I'm just wondering, it is confusing. So
498
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.089
I personally think the rakes are, the night crawlers, a
499
00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:35.839
lot of these are the same phenomenon. And then what's
500
00:33:35.950 --> 00:33:38.440
even weirder is I'm telling you guys, I did my
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00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.160
homework and I had two really good clips that we
502
00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:43.759
were going to look at. So you could see people
503
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:47.009
interacting with them to show you they're the real thing.
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00:33:47.029 --> 00:33:51.130
And now they're gone. They're gone from my playlist. Like
505
00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:52.809
what's going on here, Natalie?
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00:33:52.829 --> 00:33:56.789
Do you have any idea on what's going on for
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00:33:56.809 --> 00:34:00.009
the sort of the bigger picture and all cryptids and
508
00:34:00.230 --> 00:34:01.970
how it interacts with humanity.
509
00:34:02.430 --> 00:34:05.450
Yes. So I could tell you a couple things, actually.
510
00:34:06.029 --> 00:34:08.150
One of the very first things when we were in
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00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:12.769
the LBL, we filmed several episodes of Beyond the Ordinary,
512
00:34:12.869 --> 00:34:15.570
which is the Relic talk show. And we had two
513
00:34:15.630 --> 00:34:20.050
cameras up in every location. And we were just interviewing people,
514
00:34:20.650 --> 00:34:24.309
very benign, nothing out in the forest. But every single
515
00:34:24.349 --> 00:34:29.369
time that we interviewed in the forest, whichever camera was
516
00:34:29.570 --> 00:34:35.650
facing the forest after a couple minutes died. Like the
517
00:34:35.690 --> 00:34:39.090
film was gone. We had no recording. So we only
518
00:34:39.139 --> 00:34:44.820
had one angle. And that happened in every single, every
519
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.159
single one. And it wasn't the same camera. It was
520
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.920
different cameras. So any camera facing the forest would be just,
521
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.340
shut off. Now I believe, and we have had this
522
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:02.699
happen at Relic before where we had film and something
523
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.760
did not want us to see what was on that film.
524
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:11.019
The energy that they project out would erase or alter
525
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:17.090
what we recorded. Now on the flip side, I do
526
00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:22.110
know after my encounter with, with these things. And of course,
527
00:35:22.269 --> 00:35:25.429
after I got permission from Relic to talk about it openly,
528
00:35:27.530 --> 00:35:31.360
weird things started to happen to me, different things online
529
00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:35.099
where I knew like somebody was watching, like what's going on,
530
00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:41.159
bless you. And I was like, is somebody investigating me?
531
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:48.360
Somebody from an agency or something, because what we experience
532
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:54.800
with cryptids across the board with aliens, with rakes, with
533
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.539
whatever that you see out there. If we get a
534
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:04.119
little too close to learning something, the government knows all
535
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.869
about these things. They have files. There has been eyewitnesses
536
00:36:08.909 --> 00:36:12.750
to saying that there have been military bases set up,
537
00:36:12.829 --> 00:36:19.170
military groups set up to only study cryptids, to capture
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00:36:19.929 --> 00:36:23.780
them on film, photograph them and document everything that they find.
539
00:36:25.659 --> 00:36:28.940
So why wouldn't they know what we're doing? And of course,
540
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.860
here I am on social media and having interviews talking
541
00:36:32.889 --> 00:36:36.030
about these things. And of course they're going to go,
542
00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:40.230
who is this woman and what does she know? So
543
00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:42.909
it's clear that I don't know enough about these things
544
00:36:43.010 --> 00:36:45.949
because they didn't pursue any further other than just like
545
00:36:46.010 --> 00:36:51.170
what's going on. Um, But as we move forward and
546
00:36:51.269 --> 00:36:56.050
learning more, you know, my goal is to share what
547
00:36:56.150 --> 00:37:01.099
I learned because we hear me, you, Karen, everybody in chat,
548
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.119
everybody watching this. We are a tribe. We're a tribe
549
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.360
of people to learn as much as we can to
550
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.699
understand what is out there, to answer the questions that
551
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.019
we have and to share what we know. That is
552
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.639
my goal. And once I know more, I'm going to
553
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.570
share that. And I'm sure they're going to be eyeballing
554
00:37:20.590 --> 00:37:24.889
me again. And that's okay. That's perfectly fine. But everybody
555
00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:26.050
deserves to know the truth.
556
00:37:26.690 --> 00:37:31.889
Yes, I totally agree. This is a little side note here.
557
00:37:31.909 --> 00:37:35.559
I recently got the urge to go back and watch
558
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.780
The X-Files. And The X-Files was a series, six seasons
559
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:43.769
of it. That came out in the late 1990s. And
560
00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:49.219
I just started watching it because I just remembered that
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00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.400
I liked it. And I was looking for something that
562
00:37:51.460 --> 00:37:54.860
I can just zone out to, you know. I was
563
00:37:54.980 --> 00:38:00.170
shocked at how much what we know now 25 plus
564
00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:05.260
years later, what they were talking about back then, which
565
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:06.360
we all thought.
566
00:38:06.139 --> 00:38:10.539
Was just completely made up and just scripted. Yeah. Holy shit.
567
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.900
They knew this stuff a long time ago, Natalie.
568
00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.019
Yeah, they did. And it's all in there.
569
00:38:16.099 --> 00:38:21.369
So for those of you, I watch it on Prime
570
00:38:21.650 --> 00:38:23.769
because it's free on Prime. Well, I know you have
571
00:38:23.789 --> 00:38:27.170
to pay for Prime, but. That's another thing. But anyway,
572
00:38:27.929 --> 00:38:30.409
so I've been watching it on Prime. And then after
573
00:38:30.469 --> 00:38:33.250
I'm done, I'm going to watch Fringe. But I was
574
00:38:33.389 --> 00:38:38.250
shocked at how right on the money, especially as far
575
00:38:38.309 --> 00:38:43.630
as the secret kind of black ops interplay with politics
576
00:38:43.769 --> 00:38:48.639
and everything. So, yeah, I really recommend people go back
577
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.840
and watch that. So, oh my God, you know, I
578
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.659
still got goosebumps right now just from listening to you
579
00:38:55.699 --> 00:38:58.639
talk about it. We all kind of, in the back
580
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.199
of our minds, we sort of deal with this by
581
00:39:01.300 --> 00:39:05.190
rationalizing it as being, you know, fantasy. There was all
582
00:39:05.230 --> 00:39:08.070
kinds of stories from a hundred years ago about witches
583
00:39:08.130 --> 00:39:09.590
in the forest and this and that.
584
00:39:10.010 --> 00:39:11.170
Oh, and don't go out at night.
585
00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:13.050
We thought it was just, you know, to protect the
586
00:39:13.090 --> 00:39:17.849
community and just stories to kind of scare kids in line, right?
587
00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:20.800
Well, now we're finding out It's all real.
588
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:26.090
And my guides who are invisible spiritual creatures, they've been
589
00:39:26.110 --> 00:39:28.349
telling me for a long time, I've been saying, how
590
00:39:28.409 --> 00:39:30.539
much of this is real? And they've been telling me
591
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.010
it's all real. Yes.
592
00:39:33.829 --> 00:39:34.239
All of it.
593
00:39:35.269 --> 00:39:39.969
Oh my God. So Natalie, we still have about 20
594
00:39:39.969 --> 00:39:42.619
minutes left. What else do you want to tell us?
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00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.760
What do you want to tell my audience? What do
596
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.639
you want to share with us? And please do promote
597
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.179
the work you're doing with Relic Films.
598
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.409
And everything else. I want to hear about all of it. Absolutely.
599
00:39:53.590 --> 00:39:58.210
So I work with Relic Films. I work with Greg Ogles,
600
00:39:58.250 --> 00:40:01.130
who owns and produces Relic Films. I work with Adam Davis,
601
00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:05.480
who has been on the Travel Channel, Discovery, National Geographic.
602
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.989
He has been on MonsterQuest on quite a few occasions.
603
00:40:09.309 --> 00:40:13.269
He's a world traveler, just an amazing wealth of information
604
00:40:13.690 --> 00:40:18.769
and a smattering of other really talented investigators. And so
605
00:40:18.869 --> 00:40:23.699
what we do is we film anything that is the unexplained,
606
00:40:24.260 --> 00:40:35.619
high strangeness. And that can be anything from missing person cases, paranormal, cryptids, UFOs, aliens, abductions, rakes.
607
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.500
You know, what we see in the field is what
608
00:40:39.739 --> 00:40:44.119
you see. And we do experiments in the field. For instance,
609
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.500
when we went to Land Between the Lakes, we all
610
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.719
wanted and decided that we were going to do various experiments.
611
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:58.019
One of my experiments was to use human pheromones in
612
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:04.280
cologne to attract... cryptids into our base camp. We didn't
613
00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:06.599
know if it was going to work. So I got
614
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:10.360
brightly colored dog toys and sprayed them with three different
615
00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:14.250
pheromone colognes, attached it to a tree up from us
616
00:41:14.469 --> 00:41:17.909
and to the side. And within 24 hours, we had
617
00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:23.630
cryptids in our base camp. And they weren't aggressive. They
618
00:41:23.650 --> 00:41:26.320
would clank rocks, they would whistle, they would walk, they
619
00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:29.539
would throw rocks into the water. But they did not
620
00:41:29.619 --> 00:41:33.639
like people in campers. If you were in a tent,
621
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.400
they were perfectly fine. But if you were in a camper,
622
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.460
they checked you. They were like, boom. And they would
623
00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:42.840
just hit each camper. And that pretty much happened almost
624
00:41:43.059 --> 00:41:47.570
every night. And it was really a fun experience. And
625
00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:49.469
we want to try it again the next time that
626
00:41:49.489 --> 00:41:53.289
we are out. Because you could have an experience in
627
00:41:53.349 --> 00:41:56.510
saying that experiment really worked one time, but it may
628
00:41:56.550 --> 00:42:00.170
not work another time. So therefore, it didn't really happen.
629
00:42:00.210 --> 00:42:03.420
So we want to try to recreate everything that we
630
00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:08.659
did and then see if it works, what's going to happen.
631
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.139
And Terry, I actually, there was one time we did
632
00:42:13.179 --> 00:42:15.800
go out and Jamie and I used ourselves as bait
633
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.900
on a road. And we walked down where we had
634
00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:23.139
people peppered inside the tree lines to see if anything
635
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.739
would follow us. Nothing did. But you know, sometimes you
636
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.780
have those times where it's like absolutely nothing happens. We
637
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.659
got a couple of sounds from the forest, but that
638
00:42:33.699 --> 00:42:36.739
could have been anything. Um, but one thing that we
639
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.019
are trying right now, and I continue to do it
640
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.539
and it, every time I use this method, it works.
641
00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:47.340
So there's something more to it. I love dousing rods.
642
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.699
I use them every day to talk to spirit, to
643
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.380
spirit guides, to angels, to our, the regular spirits that
644
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.260
are here in my home, which I have a lot
645
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:00.179
of them. And, um, I got really like, I got
646
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.989
used to them and my spirits got used to them.
647
00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:06.730
So now I use them in the field and what
648
00:43:07.130 --> 00:43:11.849
better entity to tell me where these cryptids are than
649
00:43:11.889 --> 00:43:14.230
the spirits who live in the forest. Cause they're there
650
00:43:14.250 --> 00:43:18.010
all the time. Absolutely. So I, we've gone out the
651
00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:20.280
first time we used it. We're like, okay, let's just
652
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.239
see what happens. And I was with Greg and we said, okay,
653
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.940
let's use these dousing rods to talk to them. And
654
00:43:26.980 --> 00:43:29.039
we said, okay, Are they in the area? We got
655
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.679
a yes. Where are they? Point. And they pointed. And
656
00:43:31.699 --> 00:43:34.570
we kept going in that direction until they sent us
657
00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:39.070
to another direction. And then we pinpointed a little section
658
00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:42.389
of land where they are. Once we got down there,
659
00:43:42.409 --> 00:43:45.610
I had asked how many are there. And we got
660
00:43:45.670 --> 00:43:48.730
down to there are three there and one is a juvenile.
661
00:43:48.849 --> 00:43:51.289
So we had to change our tactics on how we
662
00:43:51.329 --> 00:43:53.849
investigated because we do not want to scare a juvenile.
663
00:43:54.909 --> 00:43:57.320
So we said, let's set up a little camp. a
664
00:43:57.340 --> 00:44:00.099
little fire. We sat around the fire and we were
665
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.199
singing and we were joking and we were laughing and
666
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.360
we were just doing all kinds of fun things to
667
00:44:05.500 --> 00:44:09.480
show that we were a fun group, which brought them in.
668
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:13.260
Now they were in the tree line again, the forest
669
00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:18.099
was thick and they moved all around us. But the
670
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:20.960
one thing that they did, which again, I'm learning as
671
00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:23.809
every time I go out, I learned something new. All
672
00:44:23.889 --> 00:44:27.670
the women that were there around this campfire, they were
673
00:44:28.309 --> 00:44:33.179
extremely interested in. And they did something that I never
674
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.199
experienced before. And they scanned us like almost like, let
675
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:42.380
me just focus in. And I had like horrible pain
676
00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:46.199
in my lower abdomen. And I said, okay, I'm going
677
00:44:46.219 --> 00:44:48.190
to need you to stop. And then it moved on
678
00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:51.690
to the next woman. And then it was the next woman.
679
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:57.280
So we all experienced this, just the women, not the men.
680
00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:02.860
And then the family moved all the way down. We
681
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.050
heard them walking down to the lake. We did not
682
00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:10.170
pursue them because again, if there's a juvenile there, that's
683
00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:12.329
the last thing we want to do is to upset
684
00:45:12.349 --> 00:45:15.030
a mom and a dad and have them come at us.
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00:45:15.670 --> 00:45:15.949
Yes.
686
00:45:16.110 --> 00:45:21.260
So we stayed there and then they came back. And
687
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.519
then they just sat there watching us. And then they
688
00:45:24.579 --> 00:45:29.150
moved on. And we did the exact same thing in
689
00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:35.070
North Georgia. And again, brought them in. And they were
690
00:45:35.090 --> 00:45:37.570
just sitting because I love to see where they're at.
691
00:45:37.650 --> 00:45:41.489
And once we get a pinpoint location, I'll sing. And
692
00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:44.179
something very nice and sweet, like a nursery rhyme or
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00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:47.880
you are my sunshine, something very sweet. And they are
694
00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:53.329
mesmerized by it. And it brings them in closer. And
695
00:45:53.650 --> 00:45:59.289
we saw eyeshine. We got thermal images. We got thermal
696
00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:01.849
images in between the trees and stuff. So we were like, okay,
697
00:46:01.949 --> 00:46:05.769
there's something there and it's moving. And I actually got
698
00:46:05.809 --> 00:46:09.230
to see an outline of a face. And I just
699
00:46:09.269 --> 00:46:12.110
kept singing. And I was using the dowsing rods. And
700
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:14.159
I asked the spirit, I'm like, are they enjoying this?
701
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:17.380
And it was immediate, yes, like keep doing it. And
702
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.849
then we repeated it in Missouri. when we were there
703
00:46:20.889 --> 00:46:25.190
doing an investigation and the same thing happened. The spirits
704
00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:27.929
told us where they were. I started singing and they
705
00:46:27.989 --> 00:46:31.329
moved in. So now that I have done this experiment
706
00:46:31.929 --> 00:46:35.179
three different times in three different states and all three
707
00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:38.550
times worked, that tells me that that is a formula,
708
00:46:38.659 --> 00:46:43.000
a recipe for success. So I share that with people.
709
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.099
Like if you, you know, this is a way to,
710
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.940
you know, create that connection. To create that level of
711
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.579
trust because they don't trust us. They're not afraid of us.
712
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.059
I ask every single time, are they afraid of us?
713
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:01.409
They're not afraid of us at all. They think it's
714
00:47:01.449 --> 00:47:07.650
comical that I even asked that question. How long have
715
00:47:07.690 --> 00:47:13.019
you been doing this? I have been experiencing paranormal activity
716
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.280
since I was three years old. And then I got
717
00:47:17.420 --> 00:47:21.760
really interested. I always heard about cryptids. I got really
718
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:26.079
interested in it when I moved to Florida and there
719
00:47:26.179 --> 00:47:29.440
was a Bigfoot sighting that made the news, the local news.
720
00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:36.409
And ever since then, I have been absolutely fascinated by it.
721
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.869
And it's, you know, the more I learn and I,
722
00:47:40.369 --> 00:47:43.130
I try to learn from as many people as I can, because,
723
00:47:43.690 --> 00:47:47.840
you know, Hey, even if something doesn't work, I communicate
724
00:47:47.900 --> 00:47:50.940
that because if it doesn't work and maybe it didn't
725
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.159
work for somebody else, okay, that's not something you want
726
00:47:53.179 --> 00:47:57.460
to replicate. Let's, let's talk about what does work. And
727
00:47:58.030 --> 00:48:02.949
it's been really incredible. I've had a lot of interactions
728
00:48:02.989 --> 00:48:06.210
with them, even here in Florida where they'll whoop and
729
00:48:06.409 --> 00:48:10.409
scream and whistle. Uh, and, Florida is a lot of
730
00:48:10.469 --> 00:48:13.210
swamps and a lot of gators. So there's places you
731
00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:16.809
can't go, but you could get as far as you can.
732
00:48:17.670 --> 00:48:19.469
But of course they're going to be in places where
733
00:48:19.829 --> 00:48:23.809
you can't go. Cause if I cross the, that stretch
734
00:48:23.849 --> 00:48:26.630
of water, gators are going to get me and they
735
00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:29.070
know that. So they're very well protected.
736
00:48:30.070 --> 00:48:34.449
Interesting. I want to ask you an inappropriate question. You
737
00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:35.739
don't have to answer it.
738
00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:38.800
No, please do. I've, I've seen a few shows.
739
00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:42.210
I don't know if it's real or not, because who
740
00:48:42.230 --> 00:48:46.230
can tell nowadays? But there's one channel, I can't remember
741
00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:52.559
what it's called, where the guy reads experiences, so-called experiences
742
00:48:52.639 --> 00:49:00.980
or stories about hybrid children, Bigfoot human hybrid children. But
743
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.699
I also spent a lot of time on Vancouver Island
744
00:49:05.070 --> 00:49:07.989
and in the lower mainland of BC.
745
00:49:08.010 --> 00:49:11.070
There's a lot of Sasquatch. We call them Sasquatch, not Bigfoot.
746
00:49:11.150 --> 00:49:11.699
I don't know why.
747
00:49:11.750 --> 00:49:15.710
Maybe it's the native name. And there have been so
748
00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:19.289
many accounts of women that have been out camping. There's
749
00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:19.969
a lot of really.
750
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.880
ballsy women on the island.
751
00:49:21.940 --> 00:49:25.940
I'll tell you, they, you know, they homestead and they
752
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:27.320
do all this stuff.
753
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:27.599
Right.
754
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.949
So anyway, sometimes they go off on a little, you know,
755
00:49:31.090 --> 00:49:35.110
nature thing on their own and they come running back,
756
00:49:35.429 --> 00:49:37.949
freaked out because Bigfoot's chasing them.
757
00:49:37.969 --> 00:49:41.059
So, We hear about.
758
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:49.099
Bigfoot possibly, because it's alleged, I don't know, having relations
759
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:54.429
with human women, taking human women to help them with their,
760
00:49:54.610 --> 00:49:58.869
you know, get their community robust. Have you heard any
761
00:49:58.929 --> 00:50:01.550
of that? And are you afraid going in there with
762
00:50:01.710 --> 00:50:05.889
a group of women That possibly, you know, Bigfoot might
763
00:50:06.070 --> 00:50:08.710
find one of you kind of fetching. I don't know.
764
00:50:09.230 --> 00:50:12.269
What's your take on everything I just said, Natalie? So
765
00:50:12.329 --> 00:50:15.070
I'll tell you, I have heard of that. I have
766
00:50:15.130 --> 00:50:20.719
heard of both women and men being taken by Bigfoot
767
00:50:20.780 --> 00:50:24.019
or Sasquatch and taken back to a cave and, you know,
768
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:32.050
having things done. And so, but I have not experienced that.
769
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.199
If I go into the forest, I never go alone.
770
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.280
I only went alone one time and that was to
771
00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:44.780
the Everglades. But I had enough people knowing where I
772
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.039
was that they kept an eye on me via Life 360.
773
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:50.719
And I did have my bear spray and my knife
774
00:50:50.780 --> 00:50:52.329
with me. So I always bring my bear spray and
775
00:50:52.369 --> 00:50:56.769
my knife. If I go anywhere in the forest and
776
00:50:56.829 --> 00:51:00.909
there is ever a danger, I'm going to bear spray them.
777
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:05.039
And it's going to allow me enough time to get
778
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.559
to safety. And I know a lot of people don't
779
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.440
do that. And in my opinion, and it's just my
780
00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:15.519
opinion and people, you can, the people sometimes they agree,
781
00:51:15.579 --> 00:51:17.800
sometimes they don't. And it's perfectly fine if you don't.
782
00:51:18.739 --> 00:51:20.800
I don't want to hurt a cryptid. I don't care
783
00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:23.300
what they're doing. I don't care how mean that they are.
784
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.599
I don't want to hurt an animal ever. I'm not
785
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.579
into that. And a lot of people carry pew pews
786
00:51:29.619 --> 00:51:32.989
and that's fine. I carry bear spray because I don't
787
00:51:33.030 --> 00:51:36.619
care how big a creature is. If they get bear
788
00:51:36.659 --> 00:51:39.280
spray in their eyes or in their mouth, it will
789
00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:42.960
stop them no matter how big they are. But if
790
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:45.909
I have a pew pew and my pew pew doesn't
791
00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:52.550
carry big enough. Yeah. And I guess what? It's going
792
00:51:52.570 --> 00:51:53.409
to make them angry.
793
00:51:53.969 --> 00:51:54.210
Yeah.
794
00:51:54.869 --> 00:51:57.210
It's going to make them angry. And then they're going
795
00:51:57.230 --> 00:52:01.469
to come at me even harder with more aggression. So
796
00:52:01.780 --> 00:52:05.510
in my opinion, I never want to hurt these creatures
797
00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:08.869
because they are living creatures. I want to stop them
798
00:52:08.889 --> 00:52:11.750
to saying, I need to get away to safety and
799
00:52:12.050 --> 00:52:14.489
it will allow me to get far enough away. And
800
00:52:14.510 --> 00:52:17.949
there's enough bear spray in those canisters that you just,
801
00:52:18.010 --> 00:52:20.110
all you need to do is go and it's done.
802
00:52:20.139 --> 00:52:22.500
You don't have to empty it out. It's one squirt
803
00:52:23.340 --> 00:52:26.519
and then you, it will reuse until it's all gone.
804
00:52:26.619 --> 00:52:29.039
So you can reuse it, like have many uses out
805
00:52:29.059 --> 00:52:31.909
of it. So if it comes back again, I spray
806
00:52:31.929 --> 00:52:36.369
them again. It'll get me to where I need to
807
00:52:36.409 --> 00:52:38.530
go to get to safety. Yes.
808
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:40.800
Yes.
809
00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:44.219
Awesome. Awesome. Okay.
810
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:48.659
We have another question from the chat. Natalie, what is
811
00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:52.159
your perception of El Chupacabra?
812
00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:59.199
El Chupacabra. So I do believe that When you have
813
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:03.239
multiple sightings, and I mean multiple sightings of a creature,
814
00:53:03.940 --> 00:53:08.840
such as the chupacabra, and it's not just in one country.
815
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:15.420
There's multiple countries that have seen this creature. There's truth
816
00:53:15.500 --> 00:53:19.960
to it. Now, what is it? I don't know. People
817
00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:22.940
have said, oh, it's a dog or a raccoon that
818
00:53:23.019 --> 00:53:23.900
has mange.
819
00:53:24.139 --> 00:53:24.519
Well.
820
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.860
You would see it. You would see the mange on them.
821
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:33.360
And they would be very, very sick. So, you know,
822
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:36.880
I tend to steer away from that because that's really
823
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.210
not it. You know, is it a hybrid of something?
824
00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:47.230
Is it a true creature that, you know, we don't see?
825
00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:51.750
I don't know. But do I think it's real? Yeah.
826
00:53:52.789 --> 00:53:56.699
Because multiple people have seen it. We were just talking
827
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:02.170
last night about mermaids. Yes, there are enough encounters over
828
00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:07.949
the centuries that are recorded starting from the 1400s. Yes,
829
00:54:08.989 --> 00:54:12.840
if multiple people over centuries in many, many locations have
830
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:18.239
had the exact same encounter, it's real. There's something more
831
00:54:18.340 --> 00:54:21.139
to it. What I think it is, I don't know.
832
00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:24.070
I would love to say I would love to see
833
00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:26.510
one and experience one and just to have a better
834
00:54:26.570 --> 00:54:31.519
understanding of it, but not hurt them. Yeah, yeah, I
835
00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:34.019
totally agree. I think they're real too.
836
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:40.619
Where I sometimes get confused is between what as so-called,
837
00:54:40.699 --> 00:54:44.619
I'll just use the word loosely, evolved naturally and what
838
00:54:44.659 --> 00:54:48.329
has escaped from a lab because we know there is
839
00:54:48.429 --> 00:54:54.250
some horrendous horrendous stuff going on in labs you know
840
00:54:54.469 --> 00:54:58.719
even the mice they use to do experiments on have
841
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.079
been humanized now what the hell does that mean if
842
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.539
they had to turn a mouse into a human in
843
00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:08.639
order to do drug experiments i don't know but it
844
00:55:08.699 --> 00:55:12.079
makes me even more suspicious and i think that is
845
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.860
the whole agenda to keep us confused not knowing what
846
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.519
to believe and of course afraid But you know, Natalie,
847
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.389
the most horrific stuff I've ever heard in my life
848
00:55:22.809 --> 00:55:25.849
comes from experiences with fellow humans.
849
00:55:25.849 --> 00:55:27.309
100%.
850
00:55:27.309 --> 00:55:32.230
Not these creatures in the forest, you know? So that's
851
00:55:32.269 --> 00:55:35.880
just my opinion. We're quickly running out of time. Natalie,
852
00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:38.000
I want to turn it back over to you to
853
00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:41.099
share whatever you didn't get a chance to talk about
854
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.449
yet on the program. but also to remind people where
855
00:55:44.489 --> 00:55:46.570
they can find you. Lots of people will be listening
856
00:55:46.610 --> 00:55:50.570
to this on an audio podcast. And so it's good
857
00:55:50.630 --> 00:55:53.170
for you to tell them again so they can remember
858
00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:54.090
where to find you.
859
00:55:54.150 --> 00:55:55.550
Really, really important.
860
00:55:56.369 --> 00:56:00.369
And it's been a fascinating show. God, I have you back.
861
00:56:00.469 --> 00:56:04.150
Thank you so much. Thank you. So awesome. Thank you.
862
00:56:04.250 --> 00:56:08.809
So I am with Relic Films. We have Relic TV,
863
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which is an app you can find on Roku and
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Fire TV. It has all of our documentaries, Beyond the
865
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Ordinary talk show, as well as all of our podcasts.
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We do have partners that have uploaded their information to
867
00:56:22.260 --> 00:56:25.699
Relic TV. So if you like anything that's strange and
868
00:56:25.780 --> 00:56:30.210
unusual and love cryptids and the paranormal and everything in between,
869
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that is where you want to go. This Wednesday, if
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00:56:34.769 --> 00:56:38.909
you want to follow me or Relic on Facebook or
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on Instagram, we have information about our new film that
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is coming out that is premiering this Wednesday evening, which
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is called Awakened Measured Doubt. It is our paranormal film
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and it's a real paranormal film of us going in
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and doing paranormal investigations in three different separate, very haunted dwellings.
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And so it's really interesting what we find and we
877
00:57:04.789 --> 00:57:07.960
find some really cool stuff. So If you can't join
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us on Wednesday for that premiere, definitely it will be
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on Relic TV starting on Thursday, which you can see there,
880
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which is really cool. And tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern
881
00:57:21.030 --> 00:57:25.099
Standard Time on Paranormal Among Us, Paul and I will
882
00:57:25.300 --> 00:57:29.460
be doing a live dowsing rod session and our spirits
883
00:57:29.500 --> 00:57:32.010
will be answering questions. your questions. So if you want
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00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:34.269
to join us in the chat for paranormal among us,
885
00:57:34.329 --> 00:57:36.530
we will be on for 90 minutes from nine or
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00:57:36.590 --> 00:57:40.449
from 8 PM to 9 30 PM Eastern standard time.
887
00:57:41.380 --> 00:57:43.400
And so you can join us, join the chat and
888
00:57:43.539 --> 00:57:45.800
ask any question that you want and our spirits will
889
00:57:45.820 --> 00:57:48.539
help and guide you. And they're wonderful. We love our spirits.
890
00:57:49.179 --> 00:57:52.400
And I'm also on blondes and booze and liminal operators,
891
00:57:52.579 --> 00:57:54.960
as well as BMR late at night, every Saturday night.
892
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.639
So I want to just thank each and every one
893
00:57:57.659 --> 00:58:01.360
of you for joining this amazing podcast and, you know,
894
00:58:01.460 --> 00:58:04.610
and allowing me to share this wonderful encounter that we
895
00:58:04.710 --> 00:58:07.409
that we had in Land Between the Lakes in Kentucky
896
00:58:07.710 --> 00:58:11.230
not long ago, which was crazy and frightening, but made
897
00:58:11.289 --> 00:58:12.570
me want to go back out there.
898
00:58:14.210 --> 00:58:17.030
Yeah, it's kind of a kind of addictive, I guess,
899
00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:20.630
in a way. I wanted to tell you recently I
900
00:58:20.670 --> 00:58:26.030
had contacted you, Natalie, to... ask you what kind of
901
00:58:26.090 --> 00:58:30.539
dousing rods you used and I went and bought what
902
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.340
I thought was the same probably is and they are
903
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.460
made out of pure copper which surprised me because that's
904
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.730
an expensive item which was not that expensive but they're
905
00:58:42.809 --> 00:58:46.409
pure copper but when I held them in my hands
906
00:58:46.429 --> 00:58:50.780
I I could feel the energy so intensely. I had
907
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.679
to put them back in the little carry case and.
908
00:58:53.659 --> 00:58:54.719
Put them in another room.
909
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.780
And I haven't gone near them since because I'm not
910
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.190
sure how. So maybe we could do another show and
911
00:59:01.230 --> 00:59:05.889
you could we could get into some pendulum's and.
912
00:59:06.210 --> 00:59:09.969
All that kind of stuff. And maybe I'm very energy sensitive.
913
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:16.099
Very, very energy sensitive, but I was shocked at what
914
00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:17.559
I felt when I was holding them.
915
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.159
Do you get a sensation as well from them? Oh yeah. I,
916
00:59:21.219 --> 00:59:24.119
in fact, I now I'm so sensitive to it. I
917
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.909
can tell you exactly what spirit is answering me because
918
00:59:27.929 --> 00:59:31.969
of the energy that they are providing. So maybe it
919
00:59:31.989 --> 00:59:35.269
just takes a bit of practice. It does. It takes practice.
920
00:59:35.389 --> 00:59:39.860
It takes, so I use them every single day. So
921
00:59:39.940 --> 00:59:42.260
I'm used to it now. I can tell you who's
922
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.860
talking to me. I can tell you whose energy is,
923
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.039
who's more, which spirit is able to control their energy more,
924
00:59:49.340 --> 00:59:51.460
which is phenomenal. It helps them too.
925
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:57.860
Good. Excellent. I pretty much just use what I would
926
00:59:57.929 --> 01:00:02.969
consider kind of automatic knowing or clear audience where I
927
01:00:03.010 --> 01:00:06.389
speak to my guides all the time. I used to,
928
01:00:06.750 --> 01:00:09.869
I used to always want to know where they angels,
929
01:00:09.929 --> 01:00:12.699
where they ETS kind of how to slice or dice it,
930
01:00:12.710 --> 01:00:15.610
but I've long since given up on that. And I just,
931
01:00:16.030 --> 01:00:18.340
I know it's all for my highest good. It's all
932
01:00:18.409 --> 01:00:24.059
comes from that loving, beautiful, gentle energy. And I'm not
933
01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:26.530
afraid of it. But I'm feeling like I want to
934
01:00:26.570 --> 01:00:28.969
go a little further. And I thought the dowsing rods.
935
01:00:29.329 --> 01:00:32.210
So I was inspired by you. Thank you so much
936
01:00:32.349 --> 01:00:32.769
for that.
937
01:00:33.130 --> 01:00:33.809
Thank you.
938
01:00:34.429 --> 01:00:40.239
So that's about it for the show today. Thank you, Natalie,
939
01:00:40.300 --> 01:00:44.019
for joining us. You're such a busy woman. Everybody follow
940
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:47.980
Natalie on Facebook. It will blow your mind how busy
941
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:48.920
this woman is.
942
01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:50.449
I'm all over the place.
943
01:00:51.030 --> 01:00:55.139
Everything you do is inspiring. You know, I don't hear
944
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.960
you sit and grumbling about politics. No, you're doing stuff.
945
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:02.780
You're discovering and you're really what I would call a
946
01:01:02.889 --> 01:01:06.269
map maker. A map maker goes and checks things out
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and reports back what's safe, what's not safe, how.
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To do it.
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It's a very important, you're a very important spiritual leader.
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I don't know if you'd call yourself that, but I
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will call you that if that's okay.
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That's fine. That's wonderful. I'm so honored.
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I'm so grateful to have met you. I've been on
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with Natalie and Paul on the paranormal among us a
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few times. I hope you go and check out some
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of their archive podcasts as well as their new stuff.
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Thank everybody in the live chat. You guys have been amazing. Really,
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really good comments. And I also want to thank those
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of you who are going to be watching the replay
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and from the Forbidden Knowledge Network and all the other
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platforms this will be going out on as well. I
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just want to thank everybody. Hope you all have the
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very best week ever. And take care, everybody. And sending
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out much love to each and every one of you.
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Bye-bye for now.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for joining me for the Aliens and Angels podcast.
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Read about my true life ET contact in my book
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