Inside the First PRSuit Finale—and a Massive New Match Venue

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All right, welcome back to another Pursuit Podcast here today with Jade Miller, Ted Brunicki, our match directors for the very first Pursuit finale coming up in Cameo, May 15th and 16th of 2027.
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Yeah, we're looking forward to having it out at Cameo.
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Uh, we're gonna do some pretty simple stages, but you guys know how cameo is, it can challenge you.
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As excited as we are about cameo, we may be equally or more excited about our new opportunity for the 27th season, the start of the 27th season at Brandon Rock Canyon.
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Here with Ted Mernicki and Jaden Miller, right?
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Um hey guys, good morning.
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Morning, how are you?
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We're good, we're good.
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I got the pronunciations right there, right?
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Yes, sir.
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I I didn't screw up Miller.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Mill, Miller, you got it on par.
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Yeah, right on.
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Right on.
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Uh so yeah, another pursuit podcast.
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This is exciting, man.
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Uh this one, uh this pursuit match, I am really excited for.
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It's gonna be our finale to start with, and then we'll we'll talk about other opportunities and whatnot.
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But um, I guess let's start with some some intros.
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Um yeah, Ted, why don't you uh why don't you go first?
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Sure.
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Uh Ted Mernicki.
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Um I started shooting probably about five years ago.
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Um mainly with my two boys, uh Tyler and Trey, um, who are now 14 and 17.
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I can't believe um we started we started when they were eight and eleven.
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And uh mostly NRL hunter matches.
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And they they didn't they didn't get a chance to shoot any PRS, they've they've got too many other things going on for that, but um the locate range and engage stuff is what we really focused on together.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, eight and eleven.
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Well, let's let's come back to that.
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I want to ask some questions.
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Uh I have an 11-year-old, that's why that's why I want to ask.
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But okay, and and uh where do you live?
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What's your what's your shooting history for the last five years?
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Uh I live in Carbondale, uh, Glenwood Springs, Carbondale, uh, I'm sorry, Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
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And um, I started shooting five years ago.
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Um, my uh a buddy of mine who owns a ranch, uh, we can shoot out to a thousand yards, invited us out to uh uh come and shoot.
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And there was a bunch of us out there, and I'd never shot past you know 400 yards.
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And uh most people don't shoot past 100 yards, and you're like, well, I can get out to 400.
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Yeah, and I was the guy that put a you know paper plate up on a tree, walked about 100 yards, and then took my shot and went hunting.
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And um, that's how I started out.
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And I was watching uh my son at the time who was 11, and he was hitting a steel plate at 600 yards, and I just couldn't understand how he was doing that with so little recoil.
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And um shortly after that, I bought a 6'5 uh Savage Ultralight.
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Um boy showed up at a monthly match, the rifle weighed about nine pounds, never saw an impact.
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Um and but that's how I started, and I I just got hooked immediately, and now I've gone absolutely crazy.
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And um I don't know.
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It's addicting.
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It's addicting.
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Completely addicted.
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Yep, yeah.
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Jaden, how about you, bud?
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What uh gives some of your background history?
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Yeah, so I it kind of it starts in high school really for me.
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I was gonna play some college baseball and was kind of over the baseball deal.
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We played a lot of it and uh found out there was a uh gunsmithing program down in Trinidad, down southern Colorado, and found about found out about that.
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Uh we I enrolled in there, ended up getting into it, and so decided to go that route versus the baseball route.
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Went down there, did that, got out of school, and knew I wanted to start my own business, and figured the best way to kind of meet new customers and also improve my skills for hunting was gonna be going and shooting matches.
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So ended up, I built, let's see here, I had a seven mag built for a hut, and then I was like, eh, that's not gonna do it for the matches.
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So I ended up building the 6-5 PRC on a long action.
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Somebody convinced me that that was the way to go.
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So built that and came out, so I I ended up shooting, I shot the Horror E Hunter match.
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That was my that was the first match I ever shot.
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Which was the first Hunter match as as we know it.
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Yeah, yeah, precursor to NRL Hunter or anything like that.
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Saturday ran that.
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Showed up.
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I actually I was really comfortable with my seven mags.
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So I showed up with a 12-pound seven mag, no idea what I was doing.
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Uh, they're like, Yep, you got a squad.
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I'm like, okay, well, I don't know anybody else here, so I'll just go ahead and squad with these guys.
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Ended up being Neil Davies and Fred Eichler and a bunch of the Hornity guys.
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And yeah, so went out, shot the seven mag that day.
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Had I ended up having bullets blowing up, so had to go find some factory ammo that night and go shoot the old 6-5 PRC the next day.
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But ever since there, been completely addicted.
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Um, from that point, it turned into I I really like the fine range and engage stuff, but shot a lot of PRS.
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We ended up doing, I mean, at one point in time, I was running three matches a month, and we did that for almost a year and a half down there at Cameo.
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So ended up running just a bunch of matches and and going crazy, and it all helped build the business.
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So it was all fun.
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And and yeah, me and my wife, we were we would travel around.
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We had we had one day that we woke up here.
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We're we're about seven hours from St.
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George.
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We woke up, drove to St.
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George, shot the match, drove back home that night.
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14-hour drive for an eight-hour match.
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Yeah, for an Air L22 match.
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She's like, we are not doing that again.
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And so so yeah, just a ton of shooting, and and we we love it.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So uh where are you guys in Colorado relative to uh Grand Junction or Cameo where where the finale's gonna be?
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So I'm I'm about an hour south of Cameo, and then Ted's about an hour east.
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Yeah, about an hour and a half east.
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Okay, okay.
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Well, I appreciate you guys coming together to be in the same spot here for this.
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Um an hour east, that is that's in the mountains, isn't it?
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Yeah, I'm in Glenwood Springs.
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Um we're right in the mountains.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Um and I wish uh I wish we would have had this podcast or been a little bit ahead of the game back in 24 when I spent like a month of my my life out there for the world championship.
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Okay, yeah, Glenwood Springs is definitely in the mountains.
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Okay.
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I actually RO'd the world championships.
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I was I was there for that.
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Yeah.
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I yeah, it's I mean it's kind of a small world, but it's like it's another one of those things like man, like how do we not how did we not connect, you know, sooner.
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But that's awesome.
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Um well thank you for RO and the world championship too.
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That's that's very cool.
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Oh, I had a great time.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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Uh and uh the second one in the United States is actually coming up um uh this this upcoming week here down in uh down in Texas.
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But anywho, so um Jaden, you're hosting a ton of matches at at Cameo.
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Do you do you still host a bunch of matches there?
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I don't.
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Uh Clinton Clark have taken that over.
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We moved when we moved from junction.
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I've I ran a couple and I was like, guys, I I can't do this anymore.
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I stay way too busy.
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So we we coach the high school softball team and we've been kind of growing the business and and all that.
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And so I was just at a point where I was like, you guys gotta take over the the one-day matches, and so so nope, I'm not running any more of those.
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I'm just pretty much wanting to do two-day matches, is all I'm doing now.
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So we have we've I've kind of toned down how much we're shooting the last year or so we have, but we're gonna pick it back up here now that now that softball's winding down and and now that we can shoot all year round with the pursuit, too.
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Yep, yep.
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So let's let's talk about let's talk about cameo a little bit.
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So the the that first Hornity uh hunter match was was there, and uh what year would that have been?
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That was 2021.
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Had to be 20 or 21.
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Yeah.
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It was either back end of 20 or start at 21.
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Yeah, and that's that's really the you know, that was the test match, but that was you know at the time I don't think oh well, you were you were there.
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I mean, was there anybody in attendance like, oh yeah, this is this is what's gonna be huge going forward?
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Um, I to be honest, I wasn't in the loop with anybody, and so I don't really like it.
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You're still trying to manage recoil with that seven mag.
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Well, it was my first match, and I was like, this is freaking awesome! Like I was I was all in on it, and so I I know Rusty and Brian Black and like all those guys were there, and so I would have to assume that they were like, Yeah, this is the future, but I don't I don't know if if that was kind of the the in crowd, if that was their perception on it or not.
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Okay.
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Um it's exciting that that's where it began and that's where we're headed back.
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And I'm I'm really yeah, we'll we'll dig into that a little bit and talk about the finale here in in a few moments.
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But um, what what is like the hunter style matches that have been taking place that you were hosting and now uh Clint Clint is there, like um explain that type of format for me and like what other style um you know matches and and hunting stuff do they do there at Cameo?
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Yeah, so we uh Walt the he's the one that runs Cameo.
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He approached us to run the original, it's the UHRC match.
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And so that's the one where they're it's it's it's kind of a fine range.
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Ultimate hunter, ultimate hunter rifle competition.
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Okay, yeah, but it's kind of a fine range in a gauge of your max range, it's 500 yards, you don't get to use gear, like you don't get to use shooting bags with tripods, so it's more of the the way that that kind of walt once it's set up and Walton Austin is they want it to be kind of an entry level where anybody is able to come out and shoot it.
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And so we ran a few of those.
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I think I ran five or six of those, and it was kind of cool.
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It I think it's if that sport grows, I think it's a good pathway to get more guys to the the bigger two-day matches, and I think that that's where it's gonna be beneficial.
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I don't think it's it's not competing with the with NRL or pursuit.
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I don't think that that's gonna, that's kind of I don't think that's an issue with it or anything like that.
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I think it's gonna show guys what what they're capable with on the gear that they have right now, and then also the gear that they can utilize to be more lethal in the field.
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And so it's pretty cool.
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I I went and shot it both years.
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They do a big match every year, it's a big cash match.
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Yeah, uh, I went and shot it the last two years.
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Jackson Galightly went and shot it.
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Um Poloney, Nate Poloney, he's gone and shot it.
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So it's all guys that are shooting two-day matches are the guys that are winning that, or in the top three at that.
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Paul Dowlin, Rusty went and shot it, all those guys.
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And so it's been kind of cool to see how even when you take when you take the gear away from the guys that are winning these two-day hunter matches, when you take their gear away, they're still able to perform and outperform.
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Like they had a bunch of three gun guys there and a bunch of different, like, you know, just different shooting sports, and the the two-day hunter match guys, they were the ones that won.
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Yeah, I mean, you and you guys probably have this experience too in competition, but it's you know, if it if you're good with a rifle, like it, you're gonna, you're, you're good.
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Like, you know, you're good in PRS, you're gonna be good at Hunter, you're gonna be, you know, in this Ultimate Hunter challenge, like, um, yeah, regardless, you're gonna you know how to run that rifle system.
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Yeah.
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So it's but I like that I like that we we ran a lot of those, and I like that we did that because it allowed us to kind of see a different, a different clientele on the match side, right?
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We're we're not getting at those matches, we're not getting the guys that have came out and shot 10 years or 10 matches a year.
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It's the guys that are showing up that, hey, this is my first match.
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I'm running uh Savage with a three to nine, and like so we can build or build targets, maybe not stages, but you can build targets to where those guys are still gonna be able to come out to a two-day match and have fun and still hit a few stages.
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And so I I think that I think that brings some value just not not having the super experienced shooters at every match that we've ran.
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Yeah, I mean, people have to get into the sport one way or another, right?
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And that is that's a great avenue for that.
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And I commend Walt and Austin for you know their their willingness to to put Cameo on the map to do that type of thing.
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That's awesome.
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Yep.
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And let's, you know, so I I went to the first pursuit match up here in Wisconsin, and it was full of mostly Midwesterners, and one of the things that I tried to impress on them was like you you guys go shoot another one of these, and you have to come to Cameo.
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Right?
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Like Cameo is I it's unmatched for this type of thing, right?
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Like I guess try to explain to a Midwesterner who's never been out there what this might look like.
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I can explain what the targets and that kind of stuff is gonna look like as far as what you're gonna see weather-wise, no idea.
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And the wind-wise, right?
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No idea.
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And so it's a lot of big cliffs, uh, big mountains, lots of rocks to shoot off of, lots of trees to shoot off of.
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We're gonna utilize as much natural terrain as we can.
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Uh, we're gonna try to run this match in a way that like nobody's shot off a lot of the props that we're gonna use.
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And that way it's something new, even for the guys that live in Grand Junction, that are gonna shoot the match.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so it'll be cool that way.
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And that's the nice part about Cameo, is there's so much property to utilize.
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How big is it?
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What's up?
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How big is Cameo?
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Oh, I don't know the actual the exact acreage either.
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I think like 3,800 acres seems to be right, but I don't, and that's just it's in the thousands, I know that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's it's a huge chunk of property.
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But the cool part about so Eli, he's one of one of our buddies and he lives right at the base of Cameo.
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He's a peach farmer across the street.
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Peach farmer across the street.
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He's so man, he really he really helped us out uh with the world championship too, and getting us oriented to the property and all that.
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Yep, yep.
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He he's a good dude.
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He doesn't get to shoot as much anymore, but he's a really good dude.
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They actually giant moose last week.
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So oh, really?
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Okay.
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Oh, yeah, his wife killed the big one.
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Yeah, not there.
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So even when you talk to when you talk to Eli about the the winds at Cameo, he's like, Yep, no idea.
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Not sure what's gonna happen.
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He says some days it'll come this way, some days it'll go that way.
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You never really know.
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And so that's the funnest part about Cameo is just you never know when you're gonna get a two-tenth, two-tenth updraft.
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You never know when you're gonna get you're sitting here and it's six mile-an hour wind, and it's 25 mile an hour wind down there.
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And so it's a cool property to shoot at.
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And just the landscape.
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I mean, you have you're sitting on a desert, sagebrush, cedar, kind of flat with a lot of mountains out there that you're shooting into, and then you turn around in the Grand Mesa's right behind you.
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And that is cool.
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You never know when there's gonna be snow on top of the mesa or snow down there, or it's it can be colder than hell there.
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Even in May, you think?
00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.480
Oh, yeah, it can be it can be cold still.
00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.399
Yeah, yeah, or it could be a hundred.
00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:01.919
Or it could be a hundred degrees.
00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:02.639
You never know.
00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:03.679
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:05.120
Yeah.
00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:15.759
Um, so the uh Ruger, uh the Koenig Ruger uh PRS Pro Series matches there in the end of April every year, and it and definitely don't know.
00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.200
Like they had two feet of snow a few years ago for that match.
00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:39.440
Um and the weather's yeah, I mean the weather could be all over the place, but so their coursire, they they use uh along the main road that runs from that to uh or the the shoot house or whatever where you have all the benches and you know the yeah, the long range um, I forget what they call that, but the pavilion area.
00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:40.480
Yeah, the RP.
00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:42.159
LRP, yeah.
00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:50.240
Uh so it runs from there basically along that road all the way up to the to the end of the road, and they shoot one direction towards the mountain.
00:16:50.480 --> 00:17:06.400
Um for a hunter style match, particularly like a pursuit championship, do we have the opportunity to use like both sides of the road there that we could set up some stages where you know maybe on the LRP side of things that we could actually engage some targets going that way too?
00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.559
Yeah, it's a possibility.
00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:19.039
There's the hard part is the interstate's right right below, and so you have to be in a in a spot where there's no way you're gonna be sending rounds towards the interstate or towards Eli.
00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:20.960
And so exactly.
00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:29.599
Yeah, and so it that's the hardest part to set up, but that we've definitely I I've ran matches where you are able to utilize that other side of the road.
00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.680
If that was the case, it would only be a couple stages, you're not able to run.
00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.079
We wouldn't be able to run 10 over there, yeah.
00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:42.160
But there might be two or three, and it's gonna be probably shorter stages that you can really get over there.
00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:50.720
The nice part about that side of the road is it's all cedars, and so it can be a a stage where it is tough to find targets over there.
00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.839
And so, so yeah, that's definitely a possibility.
00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.480
We haven't mapped out the kind of the final course of fire yet.
00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:02.799
We got kind of an idea, uh, but we we haven't mapped out like the really nailed it down yet.
00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:04.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:10.000
So, what what does that process look like for you guys uh going out there to map map things out?
00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:20.559
Um, you know, we we did it for the world championship, and it it took uh it took probably four or five days to figure out where we're gonna shoot from with everything, and then went back and went to Google Earth.
00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:26.160
And then from you know, then we spent weeks on Google Earth, kind of like, yep, we want targets here, there, and all that.
00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:31.759
And thankfully most of that is actually mapped uh so you could see online like using Google Earth.
00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:36.799
But I guess talk a little bit about your process and kind of some of the things that you're thinking about.
00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.839
Like you just mentioned, yeah, you know, the cedars on the it would be at the east side of the road there, right?
00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.680
Like you can you can hide things in cedars.
00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:47.359
Like uh, let's talk about the actual process of setting up a match there.
00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:48.480
Go ahead.
00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:53.039
So Jaden's really good at on X, Google Earth, and using those things.
00:18:53.200 --> 00:19:04.960
We ran a Hunter match back in February, and when we got out to the property and looked at the property, he'd already in his mind had an idea of where he wanted to place targets.
00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:13.839
And this particular property was about 800 acres, so you would think that that's a plenty of land for 20 stages.
00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:28.880
Um but you'd be surprised, like it has its challenges, and he did a phenomenal job of having targets in areas where A, they were kind of easier to get to, but also you couldn't see them from other stages.
00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:29.920
Oh, that's perfect.
00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:38.240
And so that's that's the one big thing that we feel is really important, not being able to see targets from it from another stage.
00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:46.960
Um, so some of the stuff that he's looked at on Onyx, and and we're we're looking at a completely different firing line at Cameo that no one's ever used before.
00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:47.920
Awesome.
00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:49.599
That's kind of our goal.
00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:56.079
Um, we've still got to kind of figure out those logistics and make sure we can get shooters around, make sure we can get guys from stage to stage.
00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.559
Um there'll be a little bit of walking, we think, um, but we think there should be.
00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:05.039
Um it's a it's a it's a you know, a it's a pursuit match, so it needs to be.
00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:09.279
But we'll we'll kind of map out the areas where we want the targets.
00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:15.519
Um Jaden's got a great crew that helps put targets up, and uh that helps a lot.
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:25.200
So we can kind of be in the shooting area, and then kind of he's got he's got his uh high school wrestlers that uh do a phenomenal job putting up targets.
00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:26.160
Yeah.
00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.519
Yeah, love that.
00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.039
Yeah, that is one of the challenges.
00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.480
That I mean, we we kind of cheated for the world championship.
00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:40.000
Uh I'll explain that in a second, but um huge, vast piece of property, but you can't really leave the roads of the vehicle.
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:45.279
You have to say like in there worried about you know fire starting and erosion and you know damage and all that.
00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:50.079
So uh the roads don't go necessarily where you want targets, you know.
00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:51.599
You you're hiking, right?
00:20:51.680 --> 00:21:01.440
So having some young high school kids to get in there, or in the case of the world championship, we we had one of those ag drones that can pick up like you know 150 pounds.
00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:10.559
So we put a hook on it and we tethered uh uh our AR 500 posts and our targets and all that, you know, just flew them out and dropped them off.
00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.319
That was that was the way to do it.
00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.799
But high school wrestlers are close second.
00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:30.240
I'm hoping I'm hoping they get enough snow up there that if if they get enough snow, I'm gonna take a snowmobile up there and I'm gonna haul all of our targets to the top of the hill and leave them all until we're ready to start setting stuff up, and that'll that'll cut down a lot.
00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.279
So we're gonna try to utilize this year too.
00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:42.400
I haven't utilized it as much on the hunting side, but the SIG 10Ks, you can actually range find a spot, and it'll drop a pin.
00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:42.880
In it.
00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:43.519
Yep.
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:50.559
And I think we're gonna try doing that, and then me and Ted can go out there two days before.
00:21:50.799 --> 00:22:07.599
We can get pins set for everything, and then I all the kids around here hunt, so I can share an entire file with all those guys and be like, All right, you're working on stage two, you're working on stage three, you're working on four, and they can just go up there and set posts and and do it that way.
00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.960
And I think it would work pretty well.
00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:10.640
A hundred percent that works well.
00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:18.640
We were using the uh Lopold, uh, I forget the letters, but five thousand uh you know, single, single rangefinder.
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.319
Yeah, but that's how we did it too.
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.440
We we would drop pins.
00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:27.200
Michael Beamer would be back at the shooting position and say, like, hey, I'm sending you a pin, you know, go to that location.
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.240
He'd watch me walk there and he's like, All right, stand by, drone's coming.
00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:30.640
Yep.
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:32.720
You know, and drop the targets off.
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:33.920
Yep, yep.
00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.599
So I'm looking forward to it.
00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.240
It's gonna be, I haven't ran a big two-day match there.
00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:47.680
I ran the the regional finale for for PRS, but I'm looking forward to just utilizing it in different ways, especially far harder matches, too.
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:55.119
Like running this pursuit match, it's gonna be really cool to utilize different parts of the property and and be able to hide a couple things.
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.119
I don't want it to be super like target finding heavy.
00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.799
I want guys to show up and shoot, but we'll have a couple targets sprinkled in there that that you gotta find.
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:06.160
Yeah, sure.
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:07.519
Um, all right.
00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.400
So you guys have you guys have shot a lot of NRL hunter or hunter style matches.
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:19.759
Um what makes what I guess in your opinion, what makes Cameo so special to be able to do something like this?
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:28.400
Because you know, you can go, you can go to the plains of Oklahoma and shoot a match, and we can all imagine what the plains of Oklahoma look like, or Kansas or Texas, etc.
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.599
What is what is so cool about Cameo, I guess, in your guys' opinion and ability to do this?
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:34.720
Go ahead.
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.279
I think it tests everything.
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:44.000
Um, I mean, the environmentals, your your wind, um there's a there's a lot of interesting wins there.
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:50.079
Like you you you'll get a wind where you're shooting from, and it can be completely different downrange.
00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:58.720
Um, target acquisition, that is, in my opinion, one of the toughest things, one of the things that I really worked hard on to get better at.
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:08.240
And at Cameo, it tests you because a lot of it, you can put targets in areas that look very similar to the entire area that you're looking at.
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:20.319
And so and if you don't landmark that target perfectly, you're gonna be in your scope, fishing around, looking, looking, and and and so those two things, like the wins there, target acquisition, I think are critical.
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:26.799
Like if you can single bag it off a rock, if you can do some of those kinds of things, um most of these guys can shoot.
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.160
Most of these guys that are gonna qualify for the finale, they can shoot.
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.720
Um they know how to they know how to run their rifle.
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:42.799
It's the other things like how how good are you at target acquisition, how good are you at finding targets, how good are you at reading that win down range, um, making sure you see your impacts, you know, stuff like that.
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:51.119
Cameo, like you'll you get a lot of these things at at several different locations, but cameo because I mean it's a vast piece of property.
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:51.680
Yeah.
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:58.079
So you experience a lot in in that area because of that.
00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:59.920
Like uh target acquisition is huge.
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:00.319
Yeah.
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.000
Um that that's a biggie.
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:02.799
Yep.
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:11.759
Yeah, and I and you you're probably maybe a little blind to it too, because you live in a beautiful part of Colorado and you drive there and you're like, oh yeah, it's just another part of Colorado.
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:20.559
But coming from Wisconsin, like the last you know, three or four hours into Grand Junction there, it's just uh it's unreal to us, right?
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.519
You know, and you come over the Eisenhower Pass or whatever, and then you make your way on down.
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:37.039
And um, I really like I can't emphasize it enough for the Midwestern pursuit guys or you know, the eastern uh eastern part of the United States pursuit guys, like you need to be there.
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.200
This is uh it's just an unbelievable place when you when you actually are on ground.
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.359
And you know, the the state of Colorado did an excellent job on this facility.
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:55.359
Walda's the exact perfect right guy to run it, like he is made that place the way it is, and it's yeah, it's just uh it's unparalleled, my my uh my opinion.
00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:05.039
Yeah, yeah, it's it's probably one of the best ranges that represents Western hunting too.
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:16.720
And that's the cool part, is yeah, it's you're you're you're gonna shoot downhill, you're gonna shoot uphill, you're probably gonna get in a position where you're like, why the hell am I shooting from here?
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:20.720
And there's a really good position, a foot away from you, but you didn't see it.
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:28.319
And so it it makes you really analyze the terrain whenever you're getting into a shooting position, just like you do whenever you are western hunting.
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:34.000
And so that's the that's the coolest part about Cameo, and then I mean the views and everything like that, too.
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:40.880
I if you're coming to the match, I I would if you fly into junction, you're gonna kind of miss that that really cool scenic drive.
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:51.119
If you've never been to Colorado, don't be afraid to fly into Denver, make the drive over and then fly out of junction on the way home because it is it is worth doing that four-hour drive.
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:52.720
Yeah, oh a hundred percent.
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.680
It is it is so cool, especially in May.
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.720
There's gonna be there, there'll still be snow and vale and all of that, right?
00:26:58.799 --> 00:26:59.119
In May.
00:26:59.279 --> 00:26:59.519
Yep.
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.400
Good chance, yeah.
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.599
Up in the high country for sure.
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:02.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.200
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.039
And you drive right past all that stuff.
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.359
It's it's it's a cool drive.
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.680
Um, all right.
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.799
So that's uh, I mean, this is this is the championship for the first year of pursuit.
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:21.839
Um I've actually talked to Dan and Rusty, and and it's like maybe we maybe we try to run it two years there in a row.
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:22.880
We'll see how this year goes.
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:31.759
I think it's gonna be pretty epic, but um, you know, this being maybe a slower start for us in pursuit, I think it could be a selling point for the next year.
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.759
Be like, we're gonna come back here and do it again.
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.640
And like anybody who missed it, you gotta come.
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.160
You know what I mean?
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:45.839
Um and the cool part about it too is we can do a completely different match next year, and we will do a completely different match.
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:46.079
Yeah.
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:51.839
Like I already have it lined up where the day after the match is done, the high schoolers are coming up.
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:55.119
We're pulling every target, every T post, everything down.
00:27:55.359 --> 00:28:00.160
And so it will be completely different on year two or however many times we run it.
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:01.359
That's awesome.
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:07.920
Now, so that's uh mid-May next year, May 15, 16, something like that, I think, uh, of 27.
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:16.000
Um, we've also talked about uh just a few months after that, running a second pursuit match in Colorado, correct?
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.920
Yes, sir.
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:24.720
Um we've uh talked to the folks at Branded Rock Canyon, uh, which is a phenomenal um piece of property.
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:32.079
It's uh 15,000 acres, it's got some high angle stuff, it's got some, you can you can shoot as far as you want.
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.519
It's it's it's just a beautiful, beautiful piece of property with a lot of really cool amenities.
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:43.039
Um they don't have a lot of lodging, they've got a little bit of lodging, but it's it's just beautiful.
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:44.319
It's really well done.
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.400
Um, they do a lot of hunting, they do some long-range training out there.
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.319
Um the property is uh it's legit.
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.119
It is it's gonna be a really cool place to really test a lot of different skills.
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.759
What uh what's the name of the ranch again?
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.160
It's called Branded Rock Canyon.
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.839
Branded Rock Canyon.
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:04.480
Okay.
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:05.200
Yep.
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.839
And how far it's north of Cameo, right?
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.279
North of Grand Junction.
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.680
Yeah, it's probably 45 minutes.
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:12.079
Yeah.
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:12.960
Oh my gosh.
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:14.559
Uh well, that's not even that far.
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.119
Okay.
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:23.200
So uh what would be what uh a little bit of lodging on site, but what would be the next best place to stay?
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.960
Like where else would we stay for that?
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.000
Palisade would be a good spot or parachute.
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.119
Uh parachutes to the east, palisades to the west.
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.079
Um both locations have restaurants.
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.880
Um and uh it's I-70 travel, so it's easy travel.
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.720
It's it's um super quick and simple to get to either location.
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:47.920
Um, it's off the beaten path a little bit, but it's all paved to get to the property.
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:59.039
Um it's it's just in our opinion, after being there a couple of times now and after looking at the terrain, um, it's well worth it.
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.279
It is uh it's just really cool.
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.559
We can do, I mean, you you can do as many stages as you want out there.
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:07.440
No joke.
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:08.799
Yeah, 15,000 acres.
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:09.599
That's unreal.
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:09.839
Yeah.
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:10.960
Well, we went out there.
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.920
When we went out there the first time, we were like, yeah, we're gonna run it here.
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:15.119
We have it on Onex.
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.400
And then the next time we were like, Well, what if we went that way?
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.960
And from where this one started was where that one ended.
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:24.880
We had a whole different match there.
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.680
Cool.
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.160
Then you could go this way and run another one.
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.039
You could run a freaking PRS and match in there somewhere.
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:34.880
It's like that's the hardest part is hiding staging areas.
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:35.359
Okay.
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.920
And other than that, like you could run, yeah, you could run a ton of matches.
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:46.319
And the 15,000 acres, like, we're only utilizing a quarter of it because the rest they use for hunting.
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.359
And okay.
00:30:47.680 --> 00:31:01.839
But the bottom side, like where you drive in, it's you you'll drive through, you'll drive through like this big burn area, and it it looks like just kind of barren land, and it's huge mountains, probably two, three thousand vert mountains.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.319
Okay.
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:09.519
And you're cruising, and then you get to this huge gate, this big metal gate that I don't want to know how much it costed them to put it in there.
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:14.880
And you drive through there, and then it's just fields, and you're like, oh, this is kind of cool.
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:34.319
And then you see the lodge with they have a huge, probably three, four-acre trout pond that they stock every year, and it looks like you could go play golf out there, and then you keep traveling a little further, and they have a full enclosed shoot house that you shoot like directly out of.
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.079
They open the barn doors, you shoot out a bit, you can shoot out to what was 1200 yards?
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.440
Yeah, 1200, I think it was.
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:45.440
And so it's it's a facility that they've they've kind of kept on the DL for a while.
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:53.759
They tried to run, I don't remember what year it was, but there was gonna be a cash match there, and they ended up not doing it.
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:55.680
It was gonna be a PRS cash match, I think.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:56.240
Oh, right.
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.240
In like 22, 23, and they ended up not doing it.
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.279
So this will be the first match that they've actually done at Brandon Rock.
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:08.960
They're trying to open up, open it up a little bit and get more people there on site.
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:09.440
Yeah.
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:22.160
And so it's this what we want to do with this match is really make it a kind of a whole experience, not just the show up, shoot the match, go home.
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.480
Like we want people to be able to show up.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.799
We're we've been talking about a ton of different ways to really increase the experience side of things.
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:40.960
And so it's definitely gonna be one that that guys want to keep a lookout for because it's probably gonna sell out quick and it's gonna be one that you everybody wants to be at.
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.880
Right on, right on.
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.440
Yeah, it's 15,000 acres for Midwest Guy.
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.759
Like, it's unfathomable, you know.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.559
It's great.
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:58.799
I mean, that would be like a mega farm here, you know, and it it would be uh dead flat, no rocks, no trees.
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:00.079
Yeah.
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.559
There's gonna be a lot of interesting terrain.
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.400
And when we were out there, the couple of times we were out there, we didn't have much wind.
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:11.599
But after talking to the guys that work there, that are there daily, they get some interesting winds up there.
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:16.480
Um, it's uh yeah, it's it's it's a really cool place.
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.200
And it's definitely gonna be an experience also.
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.359
We're gonna we're gonna try to um we're gonna try and do it a little bit differently.
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.000
Okay.
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.799
What uh I I guess differently, um what what type of special things are you looking at doing?
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.799
I mean, uh there's probably some really unique things that that facility has to offer, right?
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:41.039
They've got like they've got these little pavilions and stuff, and they've got um these great areas to kind of hang out.
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:53.039
And so we're thinking food trucks, we're thinking uh music, you know, do probably do maybe do check-in on Friday, safety brief on Friday, so that everyone can kind of be there to experience all of it.
00:33:53.119 --> 00:34:03.519
With the shoot house, I mean, we may have a couple of side stages because of how good the facilities are and how well they're put together.
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:14.239
Um, we're we're looking at a lot of different things to kind of um make Friday a day to kind of hang out, not just go back to your hotel room and you know watch TV.
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:21.920
We're just gonna try and make Friday more of a day where you hang out all day, have various activities, put some food trucks out there, stuff like that.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:22.880
That's awesome.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.199
Yeah.
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.159
And then the other cool part is with the lodging, with them having the lodging there, they also have their own private chef and stuff like that.
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:39.599
And so it's also gonna be one where where guys can bring their whole family and while they're out shooting that day, the wife stays at home, the or stays there, and the kids stay there.
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.320
The kids can go fish, they're gonna cook everybody breakfast, like stuff like that.
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.719
We've already kind of discussed some of that stuff with them, and and they're like, hell yeah, let's do it.
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:50.800
And so it's it's gonna be pretty darn cool.
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.320
We haven't worked out all the details yet.
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.400
We still have a lot of that to work out, but it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty awesome.
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.119
And and I would definitely say plan on bringing the family.
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:00.320
That's awesome.
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:00.960
Yeah.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.159
Let's uh let's talk a little bit about course of fire stuff.
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:08.639
So, and we can we can do this for both the finale and the and the match at Branded Rock.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.119
Um, you guys have have you know looked through the rules and all of that.
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:29.440
What um outside of the the standard type of hunter style mat or hunter style uh courses of fire or stage stage descriptions, what are some of the things that you guys think uh thinking about running or that might be unique or a little bit different?
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:31.920
We've talked about a little bit.
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.760
I think the main thing we we want to keep a pretty simple course of fire.
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.880
I don't want to talk about it.
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.079
Especially for the finale.
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.000
Especially for the finale, yep.
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.039
I yeah, we don't want to confuse anybody.
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:48.559
And and I think that that's a that's an important attribute is I want people to show up and know what they're doing.
00:35:48.880 --> 00:36:07.920
And so we are just kind of some funny ones that we want, not funny, but like something we we want to do, like a so coming from the original Hunter, uh Hornity Hunter match, I want to do one where we're putting a 12-inch square at a thousand yards and seeing how many guys hit it and pull the statistic.
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:25.440
I'm kind of a statistics guy, and so I I like to analyze that kind of stuff, and so bring the best shooters out of the country and see how many of them hit that 10-inch square at a thousand yards on the first shot and pull the numbers off that, throw all that all over social media and and cool stuff like that.
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:31.119
But as far as stages go, we honestly we haven't talked about anything crazy yet.
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.599
I don't know if we're gonna do the vitals targets yet.
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:38.079
Uh, I'm sure we'll have one that's probably a two glassing area.
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.400
Uh that one you could do a lot of different glassing points stuff at cameo.
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:43.599
Yeah, yep.
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:44.079
For sure.
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:51.280
I think it'd be cool to do one that's uh freaking four glassing points, but you're really only shooting, you're shooting a huge target at 100 yards.
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.679
And you gotta go over there and just you know where it's at.
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.760
It's an easy stage, but you just gotta shoot it.
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.239
And so something cool like that, I think, would be cool.
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.760
Everything that we do is gonna be it's gonna be very simple.
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:08.639
It's gonna, we're not gonna the number one thing that drives me nuts when we shoot matches is I call them gotcha stages.
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:08.880
Yeah.
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.760
Where match directors are like, ha, gotcha on that one.
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.360
It drives me freaking nuts.
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:13.679
Yeah.
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:22.320
And so I want something that the best shooter is gonna show up and he's gonna be the one that wins the match, and he doesn't get screwed over because of a gotcha stage.
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:22.880
Sure.
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.599
Sure.
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:32.239
So one of the things that we did on our last match, and and I think we did it pretty well, is we look at separator targets and not separator stages.
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:33.760
I heard that on a podcast.
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.519
I think it was uh Morgan King and that guy from Gravestone.
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.599
Um, they were talking about it, and it kind of stuck with me.
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.480
And he the best thing is he feels the same way.
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:50.960
Um, don't just throw a stage out there that's just gonna burn everybody down, and a couple of guys might get lucky, and you know, the conditions might be just right.
00:37:51.119 --> 00:38:02.960
You know, use separator targets, and that way there's still points available each stage, but this stage may have a more difficult target to find, maybe a more difficult target to shoot.
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:10.719
Um, maybe the position's a little bit more difficult, but the target size is more appropriate for the tr for the position, you know, stuff like that.
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.760
That's the way we kind of um have always looked at things.
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.760
Um we map we map it out really well before we go out there.
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:24.559
Like we already know for the one match we have four spots that we're gonna have long bomb stages.
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:40.639
Yeah, we're gonna have four more spots that we have hard-to-find targets, and so we map or we spread those out to where, yeah, you might start on stage three and you caught the long bomb that was number four, but the guy shooting on number eight also caught the long bomb.
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:47.119
And the guy shooting number six found out had a hard-to-find target that was in the shade early in the morning.
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:54.159
Yeah because it I just don't I don't like I don't like when match directors setups and it's really hard on the hunter side.
00:38:54.239 --> 00:39:02.559
I think it's harder on the hunter side than it is on the PRS side because you catch shade and it's you can't see that target first thing in the morning.
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:10.079
Yeah and then that guy, the guy that's in second right now comes through there and he cleans it and he's like, Yeah, I don't know why you couldn't see that target, dude.
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.119
It was right there.
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.719
And so we'll we'll have a we really map that out.
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:23.519
And like the match we ran last year, we moved one stage's targets three or four different times because they were in a weird spot where it was kind of hard to see.
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.679
We got out there early, early in the morning.
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:31.840
We came out late at night to see, like, all right, let's make sure this is fair for the guys.
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:41.199
And and so that's definitely something that we're gonna do, but but yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun, simple course of fire that I guarantee you people still drop a lot of points on.
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:41.760
Perfect.
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:43.519
Yeah, yeah, I think that's important.
00:39:43.599 --> 00:40:06.800
And and a lot of um uh less veteran match directors don't understand that too, where like you really need to rotate guys through each of the stage designs, you know, like like Ted, what you're you're saying with um you know, the different positions and and and target size for that and hiding targets and all like you need to you need to do a couple of those throughout the day.
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:14.719
You don't have them all lined up like first thing in the morning, like, oh well, I had all the hard-to-find ones when the sun was at its lowest and the sh shadows were at its max, you know.
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:22.880
Or the long bombs, like the the stage that you're describing where you have an MO one MOA target at a thousand, like that's not the only target on that stage.
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:29.679
Like you probably have a couple to get you there, but that is a separator target for sure, not an entire separator stage, right?
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.639
Exactly.
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:32.880
No, that's smart.
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:34.079
That's smart.
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:38.239
Um, so a couple multiple glassing, multiple shooting positions.
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.199
I think that's like that's really one of those things I think Cameo could really shine at, right?
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:57.039
Because you know, there's a couple areas where you could go down and there might be multiple rocks or cuts or something like that where you could you could really move around and that target may be obscured for everywhere except a few positions that you can get into.
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.119
Like that's that's gonna be super cool.
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:00.639
Yep.
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:29.280
And we and we can, I mean, we haven't talked about this or anything like that, but you can even do it where you have four different targets right there at a hundred yards, but you can only see one from here, and then you go over here and it's naked eye, you know they're at a hundred yards, it's one from there, you go to the next one, it's one from there, and like I think you can do some pretty cool stuff like that where it's not gotcha stuff, but it's not, it's also, and I'll be the first one to tell you I don't practice shooting offhand, and I'm probably the worst offhand shooter in the world.
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.760
And so it's stuff that we don't practice that does translate into into hunting.
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:53.280
And so I always like to go back to the roots of yes, these are these are matches to make us better hunters, and that's that's stuff that I hate doing at matches, but I also think that it's good skills to do, and so finding the right balance on target size and and distance for a stage like that, too, I think is also really important.
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:55.599
Well, and you don't have to shoot it offhand.
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:04.719
I mean, like we we all have tripods and you could you could quickly deploy and you know, if you have a uh a bag on top of your tripod or whatever, like that's how we would all shoot that, right?
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.480
If if given the time, right?
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.119
Yeah, right.
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.280
Oh, I'll I'll make you shoot it offhand.
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:12.320
Easy now.
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.079
You'll be running through trees and shit.
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:15.840
Yeah, you'll be shooting that thing offhand.
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:16.800
Oh man.
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.440
I don't know if it's too late to move the finale yet.
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:22.800
I'm kidding.
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:23.679
I'm kidding.
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:30.079
I mean, these are a lot easier to shoot offhand than a uh, you know, than some of our match rifles, the other bees on the PRS side.
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:38.559
But um, yeah, I mean, uh obviously you're not gonna that's kind of a gotcha thing in it in in one way or another, right?
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.360
It depending on what kind of weight and caliber and all that you bring in.
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:48.320
But if you you know you have uh you know a few of those mixed in, you don't have like a whole match full of them, right?
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.719
Well it it would it would be one stage on an elk-sized target at 100 yards.
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.119
It's not gonna be anything crazy.
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.719
So yeah, I'm we're we're definitely not gonna have very many of those.
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:08.800
And and it like I said, I we're just kind of brainstorming stuff or throwing stuff out there that I think would be cool, but still be relative to or relevant to relevant, yeah.
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:09.039
Yep.
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:16.079
Yeah, and and cameo offers so many of that uh opportunities like that where you might get into a position, you're like, wow, this is a really cool cut.
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.519
We could do some stuff in here, you know, and you're like, Yep, let's do that.
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.239
Let's do that 100-yard target here, and then you know, you could have an 800-yard target behind it, right?
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.239
Where you're engaging that too.
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:27.920
That's cool.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.199
That's cool.
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:30.480
Um, all right.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.840
What's uh so do you guys uh you guys have hosted quite a few matches and whatnot uh up to to to this date.
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.840
So um do you have a huge inventory of steel targets?
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.880
We're getting some more cut um for this next for the for the finale.
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:48.960
Um we're getting some new targets cut up for that.
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:54.719
We're we're we've got a guy that we work with, a buddy at Jaden's who cuts the targets out specifically the way we want them.
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.440
And um we're gonna run probably a few farther targets.
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.440
So We are going to run some bigger targets.
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.079
We have a lot of fairly small targets.
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:04.639
Sure.
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:09.440
Um, and so we we needed to add some more bigger targets to our arsenal.
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:09.920
Yep.
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.360
Yeah, I think we're sitting at like 48 right now, and we got a four by eight sheet over there with him right now.
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.920
So we'll have 20 by that time.
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:18.719
Yep.
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:19.119
Yep.
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:19.599
Yep.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:25.280
And I I only ask that because like in some of the some of the planning for this, like a hundred-yard target, right?
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:31.920
Like, even if you put a vital zone or something like that, um, somebody's gonna show up with a 300 normal.
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:32.480
Yeah.
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:33.840
Right.
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.239
Yep.
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.960
Um, and that could that could that could get brutal real quick.
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:47.360
But um when uh actually I'm excited to shoot a couple of the pursuit matches just to see what other match directors have in mind with the different um uh types of stages.
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.679
And then because that could kind of change the way we want to look at things for the finale.
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:58.159
Like if there's a lot of feedback on uh on the vitals stage, for instance, I think the vitals is gonna be a pretty cool stage.
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:04.960
Um I I don't know yet how we would want to run that for sure, but I do like the concept of it.
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:15.760
So I want to go and shoot a couple of matches and I want to see what guys are doing with that vital stage, how they're running it, uh, what the points look like, and then how can we do it to make it work?
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.119
You know, so I'm I'm hoping to get out to at least a couple matches.
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.440
Um we'll have to travel a bit.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.119
I've not been to I've not been on a plane yet to travel to a match.
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:38.400
Uh that was a goal a couple of years ago that I still haven't uh achieved, but um uh I think we're gonna, I think we're gonna I'm gonna try and get out to a couple matches, maybe Oklahoma, yeah, uh probably Arizona, uh, maybe Price, Utah.
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.239
So I'm hoping to get out to at least three.
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:40.880
Yeah.
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:41.519
Yeah.
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.840
Yeah, we we shot uh here in Wisconsin just a couple weeks ago.
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:52.639
We shot uh um, I think we just had one stage that was vital zone targets and it was coyotes.
00:45:52.880 --> 00:46:00.239
And uh they were life-size coyotes, and I think one was at like 190 yards and the other one was at like 500 yards.
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:11.039
And the they used uh uh you know a coyote uh silhouette that had the cutout and the vitals attached to the back of that target and was like a flapper.
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:20.000
Um and I do know that uh it was whoever was shooting a 300 wood mag, like, yeah, but they broke the target, they broke the near target, you know.
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:32.719
So but I mean we're talking about a dynamic target sub 200 yards and the guy, you know, 180 grain bullet at 3,000 probably or 2900, like that's gonna do some damage.
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.440
I think we'll learn, um, I think we'll learn a lot, you know.
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:40.639
And Ted, like you're saying, like um, you know, go to go to some of these other matches and figure out how they're doing it.
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:53.519
Um, I I think I think the community in general will learn a lot from from each other and how to run these things and and and do it where you know you can get through a match maybe without any target failures, you know.
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.840
Yeah, yeah, that's we just bought should we just had 60 AR500 T posts show up.
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:06.000
So perfect all AR-500 posts, and yeah, we got all the hangers and all that stuff.
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.679
So it's gonna be it'll be good.
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.719
That's the one part about Cameo is you can't have targets go down.
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:22.960
No, because uh you know, I I actually yeah, I I was out there to set that worlds match up and Beamer did most of the stuff from the stage side, and I did most of the stuff on the target side.
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:30.159
I was actually surprised is daunting as it looks, it's I'll say fairly accessible.
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:30.880
Right?
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:57.679
Like you you like you can actually drive, you know, and some of some of the ones that look the worst, like I could drive to within 500 yards, um, and then it was like you know, 200 yard climb straight up, but like vertical, straight vertical, but but you it's a I say it's accessible, it's not easy, but you can get to most spots, you know, fairly quickly, but it you you know, you still don't want to shut down uh shut down a match for 30 minutes, right?
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.239
To go you know put a bolt in a you know in a target or something like that that comes apart.
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.679
So that'll that'll be a challenge for for design, you know, designing that course of fire too.
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:16.320
Like, okay, well, if we're gonna use um if we're gonna use some targets that might take a bunch of abuse, or you know, somebody shooting a magnum is probably gonna put some work on that.
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.559
Like let's put that target where maybe we only have to shut that stage down to go get that, you know, and figure it out.
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:23.840
Yeah.
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:25.199
Yeah.
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:31.840
Um so Ted, you mentioned uh Oklahoma and Arizona and uh and another one in there.
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:38.000
Like uh Jayden, you plan on uh shooting any pursuit matches if you can if you can in a busy sport schedule?
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.760
Yep, I'm planning on it.
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.239
We got oh what uh the prize Utah one.
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:48.079
I was gonna go shoot that one, but that'll be the same week as state wrestling, so I'm not gonna make it.
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:50.639
Yep, I just found that one out the other day.
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.360
I need to quit coaching all these sports and it would help me out.
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.519
But no, I'm planning on getting out.
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.800
I'll probably end up having to fly to I want to shoot at least two of them before the before our match.
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:01.199
Yeah.
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:08.159
Uh just kind of the same thought, thought process is learn from other guys and learn from their mistakes too.
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:14.800
Um like, nope, this was too complicated, or that target was pretty freaking cool, like stuff like that.
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.119
So I'm planning on getting out to a couple at least.
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:17.840
Yep.
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:18.320
Yep.
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.079
Yeah, I that's exciting.
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:25.840
I uh man, I shot a uh one-day regional PRS match this last weekend.
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.639
Of course, like as soon as I got down with that, I'm like, man, I want to uh I want to keep shooting.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:37.280
I want like you know, I'm shooting a grind in two weeks, but I I was even thinking this week, like I'm like, man, how do I shoot this weekend?
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:37.840
Like, I can't.
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.159
I'm gonna be heading out of worlds and all that.
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.760
Um but shooting a pursuit match up here two weeks ago, it's like maybe this is what I'm gonna do.
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.639
All 27.
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.960
Like, I'm just shooting pursuit matches, you know.
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.039
But it's addicting.
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.800
All of this is addicting, you know.
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:54.880
Um that's the hard part.
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:56.559
We want I want to shoot.
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.559
Ted wants to shoot every weekend.
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.960
I can't do that with him, but he he would go every weekend if I would go with him, I think.
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.280
Um, but we're gonna we're planning on shooting a couple more PRS matches this year.
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.719
I only shot one last year.
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:09.280
Yeah.
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.719
So I mean, we're planning on hitting eight or nine matches, probably.
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:13.360
Yep.
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.360
That's and it is wicked tough to do when you're also coaching, you know?
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:18.239
Yep.
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:22.079
Man, well, hopefully, uh, hopefully we can see it a couple of those.
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:26.639
The Oklahoma match, uh, Rick Reeves and and Bruce Lindsay are putting on.
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:34.159
Uh that's the one that they talked about doing a huge cash payback for that, and then picking um picking like some middle middle folks out.
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.440
They would get they would get payback randomly, that type of thing.
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:39.519
Um, really cool concept.
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.800
I um yeah, I I'm I don't know.
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:43.920
I want to go to that match.
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:50.719
It's gonna be in the wintertime, so it's gonna be colder in heck up here in Wisconsin, but down there, it'd probably probably feel like spring to me.
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.639
So um we'll see.
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.199
We'll see.
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.679
Lots of opportunities for folks to get out there and shoot.
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.800
Um Gravestone, December 5th, if I'm not mistaken.
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.960
Yeah, I think I'm gonna try and I've got a couple of buddies.
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.039
We uh I think we're gonna we're gonna try that one.
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.199
Yeah, that'll probably be the first one I get to shoot.
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:10.000
How far is uh how far is they're in the Dallas Fort Worth area, how far is that from you guys?
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:14.800
I think that drive was gonna be 13 hours, 14 hours, somewhere around there.
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:15.519
Yeah.
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.159
You're not that much closer than I am, even though I feel like you're down that way.
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:24.480
Uh yeah, I'm making that drive starting tomorrow and it's 17 hours.
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:25.440
Yeah.
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:26.000
Yeah.
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.039
That that'll probably be the first one I go to.
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:29.440
Yeah.
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:30.960
That's on the books right now.
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:32.719
And that's a pretty cool facility too.
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.119
Have you guys have you guys seen Gravestone at all?
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:36.079
Yep.
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.840
So it's um not so much sagebrush.
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.559
Um a lot of brush.
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:50.000
A lot of, you know, it's kind of hilly and there's lots of little pockets of stuff, and guaranteed he can tie targets all over that.
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.559
Kind of like you can in cameo behind sagebrush and in little cuts and draws and stuff like that.
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.840
But this is yeah, there's like uh I don't know.
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:02.559
Yeah, it's like eight or ten foot piles of shrubbery and stuff all over.
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:03.599
So it should be fun.
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.079
Should be fun.
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.159
I figured some rolling hills, stuff like that.
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:07.360
Yep.
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:08.719
Yeah, it should be a good one.
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.000
We'll do uh I'll do a podcast with Jake and and um his crew on this on this too here.
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:15.840
So we'll uh we'll release that.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.199
But all right.
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:23.840
Uh any anything else uh you guys might throw in about the finale or um uh Branded Rock coming next year.
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.360
Um not that I can think up off the top of my head, no.
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:34.079
I would say watch watch the videos of uh of the location and like it's you're gonna want to be there.
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.960
Where uh of Cameo or Branded Rock?
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:37.679
Uh both.
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:38.880
I would say watch both.
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:45.920
Yeah, there's um they're starting to release, they're doing a lot of training videos right now out there at Branded Rock.
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.599
Okay, and so you can see what kind of the location looks like out there.
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:50.079
Yeah.
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:56.800
And then on there on the Branded Rock homepage, too, they have kind of it kind of shows the lodge and all that there.
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.599
And so you can really see what we have to work with there.
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.079
And then Cameo, there's a bunch of different videos out there at Cameo.
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:10.960
So if you're if you're not familiar with it, I would definitely say look it up because it's those are gonna be two matches that you don't want to miss.
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.079
At Branded Rock Sound, it's unbelievable.
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:15.840
It's it's wicked.
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.599
Yeah, yeah, it's wicked.
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:18.639
Very cool.
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.760
Yeah, I appreciate you guys coming on and thank you for your time.
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:27.679
And um, yeah, I look forward to this first season and and uh working with you guys on a finale out there.
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:28.480
It should be awesome.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:30.159
For Alex, we appreciate it.
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:30.559
Appreciate it.
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All right.