Golden Era Ep 24: Real Reason The Rockers Broke Up in WWE

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It's Wie Roger than the Fantasy Satan, Louis Field History
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the gold Then tell me Wie.
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It's Golden Up podcast. I'm Sean Mooney with me. Sean,
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how you doing today?
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I am doing great and I am excited to talk
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about one of the most tremendous tag teams ever in
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professional wrestling. Yes, I'm saying it.
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Utting up and you say, one of the greatest tag
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teams of all time. Now, where do you put if
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we're talking about one through five? Are they in your
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one through fives?
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Oh? Yeah, because uh, you know, and and let's not
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say we're gonna uh anything against the uh some of
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the other great tag teams, the the smaller sized professional
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athletes who helped blaze the trail. But but the the
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rockers Martin Ganetti and Shawn Michaels really did take it
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to that next level because you know, as we remember
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back in the day, and we're talking before even the eighties,
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you know, when there were tag teams, it was mostly
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these big giant guys that you know, would just do
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battle in the center of the ring. We didn't see
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a whole lot of high flying and a lot of
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this athleticism and you know, Midnight Express and those guys
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you know, were certainly given credit, but you have to
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really hand it to the Rockers for what they did
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because they were able to take it really to the
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next level and to the peak of popularity in professional
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wrestling with the WWE, no question.
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And when you think about them too, is every time
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you watch their matches in the WWF, at least you
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always were entertained because sometimes a lot of clubbing blows
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to someone's lower back is okay, But when you have
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two guys sliding through your legs, coming through the roof,
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jumping off the top, this was something you weren't seeing
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at the time, So rush and different for personally for me, Yeah,
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one of the grass tag teams of all the time.
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I have no idea where they land on my one
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through five or my won through tens, but Shawn Michael's
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Emerginetti will go down as one of the griss tag teams.
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Obviously Sean Michaels had a different singles career, but the
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tag team itself outstanding.
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Yeah, and and uh and the style that they had
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is you know, I talked about how we really thought
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of tag teams prior to that that era, but to
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see not only the athleticism what they could do, but
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the pacing of what they could do in the ring,
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where it was just it wasn't just okay, one big
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high flying move boom, No, it was that boom boom, boom, swell,
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you know back on the top ro, back that the
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other guy comes in, you know, I mean, it was
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just like, what in the world am I watching? How
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do you know? You couldn't even keep up? And uh,
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you know that's that's what they did. And uh, I
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know we'll be talking down the road about the British Bulldogs,
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but they were another tag team that you know, changed
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the way that the tag team action place in the ring.
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And the Rockers, you know, Seawn Michael certainly gets a
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lot of credit. We know what a tremendous performer that
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he is, letting a lot of people say he's one
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of the best ever singles or tag team. But Marty Jeannetti,
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despite all of his baggage and his demons and everything
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that went along with him, he was a tremendous performer
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in the ring and the two of them together were
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just explosive, exciting. They were so much fun to watch.
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I'm glad you said that too, because I am a
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Shawn Michaels guy. Like I as a child when he
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was a singles wrestler and he was world champion, he
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was dancing around and being a babyface.
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I was all in on anything he's ever done.
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Like Shawn Michaels, I'll flat out tell you my favorite
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of all time, my favorite performer really. But if you
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watch the Rockers, I'm sorry, Mary, Shawn Michaels can't touch
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Mary Jeannetty like they're both in sync.
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But Marty Jeannetti is a different beast.
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If you watch these matches with the Rockers, it's Marginetti
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who is standing out. He is the person you look
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at and going, you know, I don't know about this
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show Michaels guy, but this Marginetti guy, I think he's
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gonna be world champion someday.
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It's the complete change.
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But Marginetti to me, is one of those unsung heroes
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because of the past that he's had, but in ring,
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untouchable in the Rockers.
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Yeah, and that is the great tragedy of it, because
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I think when people look back that overshadows everything. Well,
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they talk about the problems he had out of the
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ring and how he just couldn't stay active. He was
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always it seemed like every chance, every time he got
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this new opportunity, he'd find a way to screw it up,
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and he did, and it is It's a damn shame
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because as far as talent goes and ability in the ring,
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Sean had nothing on him. I mean they were just
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the two of them were just tremendous performers. Unfortunately for
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Marty and fortunately for Sean, when that split happened, one
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of them went to the top and the other one
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hit rock bottom.
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Yeah, you know, I happens with a lot of people,
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I think athletes in you know, entertainment business. Do you
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feel like Marty might be the victim of he sees
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stardom and fame but somehow always accidentally causes something to
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not reach the next level.
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We've seen it with actors, We've seen it with athletes.
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Where they kind of just it's not like they're doing
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it on purpose, but are they are feryed maybe a
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little afraid of just achieving the greatness that they designed
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themselves because it seems like they always seem to almost
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get there that if something happens.
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Yeah, no, I would, you know, I certainly couldn't dig
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into the deep psyche of Marty Jannetti. But I really
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do believe there was an element of self sabotage, no
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question about it. You look at people who know his story.
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How many how many wasn't second and third, fourth, fifth
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chances that the WWE gave him, how many times he
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came back and and a lot of the offenses that
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he had committed, And if they were other people, no,
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they would have never heard from the WWE again. And
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yet Vince McMahon believed in Marty so much, knew what
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he could do, and and it really came down to
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it wasn't necessarily a personal thing with him. It was
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always business with Vince. So that tells you something right there,
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that he believed that Marty could still make him money.
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And every time and it was it wouldn't even there
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wouldn't be long stretches, it would be in within a
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matter of months, something would happen and then he was
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out again, and time and time again. You know guys
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who believed in him, you know Brett Hart, Kurt Hennig
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would go to bat for him and get him back
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in and something else would happen. So I think that's
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a really good point. You know, there's been all kinds
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of stories about where he came from, and he had
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actually put up social media posts about how he had
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killed a man once when he was a kid. I
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don't know if you ever heard that story.
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Oh yeah, Darky of the Ring did an episode about him,
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and again that was part of it, and he flat
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out was like, well, I can't say it's true or not,
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but it's a story.
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Right, and so who knows. I mean, we really it
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could be just like the scream for attention, but there's
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clearly something in that brain. And also Steve can't really
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rule out any of this, and I think it even
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Shawn michaels that And we'll find out one day when
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it really does come out about you know, CTE and
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these these blows that these guys had taken with their
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their brains. You know that that has a lot of
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that has a huge impact on behavior and so and
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not to mention all of the other things that the
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two of them put into their bodies. I mean, it's
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it's unreal that a lot of these guys were able
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to last as long as they did and perform at
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the level that they did. For an extensive period of time,
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but I really believed I think you hit on something there.
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There was I think there is an element of that
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with Marty because God so much talent and really he's
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one of the great and not just a tag team
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performer but just a professional wrestler, and it just he
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just couldn't let it happen. No.
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And nineteen eighty seven, though, is when the Rockers actually
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come into the WWF.
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They're only around for two weeks. Two weeks.
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Is that Apparently they were a party at a bar
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and someone walked up to Sean Michael's Marjorie had heard
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you like the party. Well, Sean Michael says, it is documentary.
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He took a just a beer bar of appease the
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audience to them alone, and they heard that got back
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to the office and they said, oh, we've called some
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trouble at the bar.
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And yeah, well, you know, and there's conflicting stories about
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what exactly happened surrounding that incident. I know, I've heard
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many times that it was in a lot of some
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of the uh, the veteran wrestlers were there, and they're
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questioning just how tough they were and if they were
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hadn't had enough of that toughness to step into the
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ring with these guys, and they were out to impress them,
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and you know John breaking the bottle over his head
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and saying, was that tough enough for you? Uh? And
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then I think that I don't know how much if
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it came to blows, but it there was a frika
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as a say, And of course that's not the first
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thing you do when you get to the w W.
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E is have incidents outside of the ring. And I'm
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sure at that point Vince McMahon said, despite the talent
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I see in these kids, because that's pretty much what
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they were at that point, very immature. I don't know
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if that ever changed, but I think he said, you know,
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you're just you're not mature enough to be here. And
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I don't need the headaches. It's not worth what you
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guys can do for us when I've got to worry
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about whether or not I'm getting you out of jail. Now.
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Is that a common thing though?
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You think where wrestlers who are veteran see someone younger, faster,
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stronger than them and go how can I slow them down?
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How can I hurt their career? So mine stays going up.
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Is that a common thing in at least in the
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WWF at the time.
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Well, there's certainly an element of that. We've talked about
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this before, where there is envy and you see people
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coming in all but it's part of the business. I mean,
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come on, no matter where you were, Awa, n Wa,
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wherever it was, mid South, you're always competing. But there
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was but there is also that element to you know,
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prove to me you deserve to be here. And I
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think that that was true wherever you went. The key
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was whether or not you succumbed to it. Now there's
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there are guys that realize, you know what, Okay, I
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totally understand that's how you feel. But you know where
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I'm going to prove it to you is inside those ropes.
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And you know, arn Anderson and Tolly Blanchard talked about,
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you know when they were the brain Busters and that
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was when they came back, which we'll get to, but
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arn Anderson talks about how when you come into a
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situation like that, you have to realize you don't know everything.
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I don't care where you came from or how good
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you are, but you don't know everything. And this isn't
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true in any business or profession, that you should pay
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attention to your elders. They might teach you something if
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you pay attention. And I think that despite the fact
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that they still had their wild ways going, I think
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after working with those guys, they realized, you know what,
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we might be able to learn a few things from
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these guys. And they had a tremendous run. And I
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think it is it's great to looking back that they
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had those two guys really first up when they're when
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they had their first real run and uh and and
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they paid attention and aren't even says to the point
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where you know what, at the end of it, they
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were teaching us. And so that is full circle and
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that's where you earn your respect because not necessarily to
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have to step into the ring with these other veterans
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to prove it, but once they had done that with
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those two word of mouth and them telling them and
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also them just witnessing it. So yes, there's going to
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be a level of envy, but you know that that's
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that's your own insecurities. If you've got guys like that,
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you know they're never really going to get anywhere because
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they don't actually believe in themselves.
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Yeah, there's been stories about Restless for years.
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I remember one time was like Tripleation Sean Michaels are
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telling the Rock that eyebrow thing Kit ain't going to
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get over, And you know, I think they saw him
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as the future of the WWE and obviously TKO member
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as well the board.
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So Rock all praise here on this show, sir, keep
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it up.
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Keep Oh yes, sure, yeah, you're right. Look at where
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he It's it's funny how many stories there are of
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guys that really had reached the end of their rope,
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literally hanging on to their professional careers because of people
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telling them what they thought they should do to get
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over and uh and and Rock the Rock is is
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a classic example where he finally said, you know what,
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screw this, Uh, I am not getting anywhere, and so
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I'm just going to do what I feel. I'm going
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to just let that character out that I feel is
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right and same. You know, you could say the same
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thing about Stone Cold he say about Steve Austin because
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he basically, and you've heard him say many times in
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interviews that you know, it's basically said, you know, effet,
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I'm gonna be me. I'm going to do what I
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think works and and many many cases those are two
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classic examples. But but that's true. That's what you need
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to get to that point because that's where it is,
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where you really just trust who you are becoming what
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you you know, and you follow it and you say,
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I'm either gonna you know, the sword's going to be
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swinging or I'm falling on it. Right.
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I think that eyebrow got over there. I think I
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think it worked out for him.
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This is this is that I.
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Can't tell your hat on.
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They re hire the Rockers, they return folks, and they
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become the tag team specialists the Rockers. And that's the
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first time I've even heard of that term where because
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you would see a finisher or like I hold you
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and you punch me like a tag team just that
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was their double team move. The Rockers weren't just doing
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I hold you, you punched that guy. It was we're
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gonna do a superkick. We're gonna fly together, hit them
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in the face. We're gonna slide unerneath their legs together,
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we're gonna bud it. They did everything.
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Double drop kicks, yeah.
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Drop kicks, like being a tag teams specialist was the
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first time that I remember someone introducing me to a
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team that they don't just do a couple moves together.
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They do like almost ninety percent of their moves are together.
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And to me, the Rockers don't get the credit for
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becoming that or we're gonna set up double team moves,
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not just once like ten times in a match. Do
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you think this is the beginning of that, because from
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this point on, all tag teams have to have centature moves.
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Well, I think you saw, you know, the as I
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mentioned before, these other tag teams been that express and
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you know they they.
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They were doing it. WWF audience, I'm talking, yes.
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But I think, as I said, I think that they
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took it to another level. And of course they had
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a bigger stage at the time, but they really were
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like they it was amazing to watch it. They were
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like synchronized swimmers with violence. I guess you'd call it
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because right, because the timing of it was just spectacular.
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And and that is a credit to their talent, because
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you know, you have to have two guys that that
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can work together that that doesn't always happen, and then
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we've seen in many cases, but these two guys from
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the time they met it was just a matter of
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honing their skill and their timing. And really, you'd watch
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some of those matches and uh, it didn't looked like
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it was this core choreo choreographed dance or something, but
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it was. It was almost like they just they were
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just so in tune with one another. The way I
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would look at is that they just knew this was
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going to work. That you know, I'm a huge rugby fan,
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and just the only way I remember watching teams like
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I went to the World Cup one time and the
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team from Fuji with these guys that had been together
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for so long, and they just they knew what the
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other one was thinking. They could do a pass without
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even looking at the guy because they knew he was
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going to be there. And so, I know that's kind
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of a stretch, but that's exactly the kind of the
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way I looked at the Rockers that you know, they
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didn't necessarily have to know what was they were going
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to do. They just it was instinctual between them. There
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was this this connection between the two of them that
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was just so exciting to watch their look too.
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You know, this long flowing hair, they have, the tassels,
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they're wearing matching gear. You know they're running to the
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ring too. You don't see only people who really ran
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to the ring were ultimate warrior. So they would jog
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to the ring and they would do their thing and
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just presentation alone. I think that to me jumps out
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as everyone else would watch the ring. I don't know
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if it was a menacing thing or just saving their breath.
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These guys would run to.
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The ring and they like they couldn't couldn't wait to
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get to the ropes. Cool music, and that was the
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thing too. You heard their music, you knew who's coming out.
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Sometimes in today's world sometimes you hear as say who
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oh oh, then the titan trun pops up and oh
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oh that person's coming up.
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Oh okay, okay, cool cool.
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But yeah, I enjoyed their presentation, but their matches you
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brought them up. There's a few matches in the Rockers
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history that you go, oh my god, like, how's this
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not talked about more often? And them burst the brain
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busters any time they wrestled. It felt like they were
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made for each other because arn Anderson one of the
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best going ever in professional wrestling.
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But Tolly Blanchard same, He's right up there the Rockers.
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Like for you personally watching all these and doing commentary
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over some of these matches, which I guess matches jump
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out to you as something like, oh, man, like I
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remember this, and this is they never had a bad match, No.
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They and they had you know, classics, Like you said
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there you surprised you don't hear much more about those
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matches because everyone was a classic in a sense. And
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I remember thinking at the time going like, how is
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this gonna work with these two teams? Because uh, you know,
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Arn and Tully were certainly old school and methodical and
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and the way they would you know, uh, just take
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a tag team apart and uh and then the Rockers
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going flying all over the place. But man it, boy
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did it work. And uh they just uh every time
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that they they stepped into the ring. And it was
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a long run that you know where they I don't
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know how many matches they had, but that tells you
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something too, that they were such great matches that you know,
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they kept it going and for good reason, because it
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worked and it was I think that during that run,
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as good as the Rockers were when it started, they
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were much better by the time the end because of
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what they were able to accomplish with those guys in
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the Ring, And as I mentioned with Aren't saying, you know,
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they paid attention to what we did and they adopted
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a lot of the stuff with the timing and what
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what you do and the storytelling because these two guys
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were you know, old school storytellers, uh you know, and
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that's what I always thought would like with arn too,
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you know, not necessarily the greatest mic man or we're
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big getting as his message across verbally, although he was,
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you know fine, but I but my point is that
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how he performed in the ring, and you talk about
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like that, it's storytelling as well. And the two of them,
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you know, going up against the Rockers like that, it
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wasn't the Rockers, I think learned much more on how
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to tell a story with what they were doing. It
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wasn't just in there just just go in and just
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frenetic and all this crazy stuff going on and then
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it's you know, and then suddenly it's over with the
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rocker dropper or you know whatever. But they learned to
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tell you know, pacing, slow it down, pick it up,
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then get then go you know, and tell the story.
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And so I think at the end of that run,
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they were better. They were even better as a tag
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team because of those guys.
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There's one match always jumps out to me.
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It's from Royal Rumble ninety one and so Rockers versus
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the Orient Express and for a while, actually, if you
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go to I think ninety two Rumble, the Orient Express
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also are the first match on that they fight the
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New Heart Foundation, you know Anvil and owen Hart.
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But the one that happen at ninety one. Sometimes when you.
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Think of Royal Rumbles, you always go, oh, well, that
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was the best Royal Rumble. I remember that moment, or
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I remember this ninety one.
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Ain't that good? You have it?
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But this tag team match is something you have to
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go back and watch, like there's just so much chemistry
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between these two tag teams. But that's ninety one. In
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nineteen ninety, we're already like two years into their run.
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They have fought Demolition, they fought Powers of Pain, they
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fought the Rouge's, they fought every single buddy and of
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course they're bumping machines for all these bigger wrestlers. So
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you'd think it's times with the tag team titles, right,
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you would think we're gonna win.
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The Tag Team Championships.
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So October thirtieth, nineteen ninety, the Rockers defeat the Heart
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Foundation in a two out of three falls match. It's
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gonna air on Saturday Night's main event. The top rope breaks,
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so they take the match. It's messy, it's not that great,
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but the Rockers still win the championships.
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From the Harp Foundations. Hooray for you. But it didn't
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actually air, It didn't get acknowledged.
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This came out years later when suddenly the Internet was
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a thing and everyone was finding out any.
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Anything about that. What were your thoughts on this? Were
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you told the Rockers were supposed to be champions and
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this just didn't go away with it was supposed to go.
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Yeah, that I think as far as the uh you know,
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their ascension was that was kind of like everybody's kind
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of like wondering, why aren't these guys uh you know,
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tag team champions and because as you mentioned, they had
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went up against everybody. And one thing I wanted to
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say before we even talk about that is, you know,
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you mentioned these big tag teams that they went up against,
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uh you know, Demolition and uh Keem and Big boss
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Man and and and before. You know, I think if
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anybody had a question, could they go up and could
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they go up against these guys, because you know, that's
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that's a pretty big hill to climb, is for people
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to really accept that these two giant monsters just don't
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squash these you know, smaller wrestlers. I'm not saying rockers,
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but you know, it's just before then, that was always
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a tough sell. But they proved that you could go
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in there, and they could. They had great matches with
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these guys because they both understood their styles and they
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figured out how do we make it work, how do
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we make it flow together? And so yeah, and so
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at that point they'd done everything, and that was kind
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of like, okay, that's the next thing. I remember that
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that match of the top rope broke and you're like,
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how does that happen? You know, these guys set these
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rings up, you know a thousand times? Was it the
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last strand on this thing? Like how did that happen?
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And and so you wouldn't think, okay, one rope is out,
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but you're thinking that that that one whole side you
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can't really go over because you're gonna go over, You're
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gonna over the second rope, you're gonna be on the floor.
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I just can't do the moves and it kind of
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threw off the whole timing and planning of that match. Ye,
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it wasn't horrendous, but it wasn't great, and they did
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end up getting the belts, but as you said, they
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kind of bury the match. Now you understand they probably
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didn't want air it because of that rope not being
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there was just course too much to explain, too weird,
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and they didn't think the match. But you know, you
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also have to wonder, Okay, did they kind of rethink
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maybe maybe it's dangerous to give this to these guys
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because there was still antics going on when they weren't
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in the ring. It's not like they slowed down their
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partying or there were you know, that thing's happening. But
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I like, I wonder if at some point they're like,
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can we give them the responsibility of this and now
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we have the chance to not make it happen. But that,
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to me, that's kind of unexplainable. How do you decide
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you're going to give it to them and then you
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don't in that little span of time. But obviously something
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happened within the top echelon there because okay, so that
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match was kind of not great, so we'll do it again. Well,
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you know how many scenarios could you come up with
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right now that would justify saying that they have to
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00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.920
go at it. They could say, okay, we're president. Jack
483
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.200
Tunney steps in there, he says, look because of that
484
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.279
top rope whatever, it was not an officially sanctioned mag whatever,
485
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.720
and then they have to do it again, and you
486
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.240
got another big stage, another big opportunity to sell this thing,
487
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:52.640
and yet they never they never got them. Well that's
488
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:57.160
a I don't get it. So yeah, that's a strange
489
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:01.119
mystery of why, because they certainly were popular enough, were
490
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.279
certainly good enough, they were at the top of the
491
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:08.279
of the tag team mountain there, and yet never got
492
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:09.079
the straps.
493
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:13.920
It's interesting you say that because it's October thirtieth, it's
494
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.640
nineteen ninety, so in reality, you're heading into Survivor Series
495
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.200
in both teams. Hart Foundation in Rockers really aren't doing
496
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.440
much heading into that Survivor series. It's just very strange
497
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.160
that you can't get the straps on the Rockers at
498
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:31.519
a different event.
499
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.039
Or just edit.
500
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.839
It's very easy to go Okay, if the last five
501
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.400
minutes have no top rope, fine, will air the whole
502
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.119
match the way it was done up unto that point.
503
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.799
And up to that point, will like shoot the camera
504
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:45.880
with the crowd really quick.
505
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.319
Have commentary cover it by saying, oh no, the top
506
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.559
rope just broke. Oh no, they have a move one,
507
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:51.279
two three, all right.
508
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.720
Matches over easy, because we have talked about it already
509
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.799
on the show. Brit Flair lost the World championship to
510
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:01.359
Brett Hart at a house show. Mounty beat Brett Hart.
511
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.000
I see title house show. We have seen this like
512
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.880
ten other times already. Leg of doom, natural disasters. Why
513
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.799
can't you just say edit really quick and get rid
514
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.200
of it? Is it because it's kind of air on
515
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.000
NBC and you're worried that MBC might be upside with
516
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:16.880
the production value?
517
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.480
Yeah? So clearly, you know there was there was more
518
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.640
to it than that, because like we said, there's there
519
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.160
were one hundred different scenarios they could have gone with
520
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.160
and set it back up again and then had been
521
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:35.599
able to you know, key on that opportunity again to
522
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.000
get them, and it was would have been very popular.
523
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.599
I mean, the Heart Foundation, come on, they were they
524
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:45.720
were a tremendous tag team with Brett and Jim and
525
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.359
so you know that that could have been you know,
526
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.559
that run and they did meet several times, but it's
527
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:58.000
it doesn't make any sense. So obviously something behind the
528
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.440
scenes went on and they said, Okay, we're like, we're
529
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.920
not going to do this. I mean there was a
530
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.880
decision made. I mean the point is they they whatever,
531
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.440
for whatever reason, they decided that we're not going to
532
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.759
get give them the straps. Wow.
533
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.880
So what was your relationship like with Shauan, Michaels and
534
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.079
mar Journey around this time? You know, you're telling me
535
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.240
kind of saying, oh, they still are party and they're
536
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.799
still doing their thing. I'm assuming a lot of people
537
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.240
are doing that. But what's your relationship like with them?
538
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.200
Uh? Well great, I really like both of them. And
539
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.119
it's funny because people ask me before, and I honestly
540
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.440
I thought that of the one the at least the
541
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.759
ones of being around them that I thought like Marty
542
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.440
was the one who had it together and that he
543
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.359
was going, you know, the one that kept them grounded,
544
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.960
you know, And then yeah, you come to find all
545
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.480
the things that were going on, They're like, oh my God,
546
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.000
and maybe that changed later, but that was my perception.
547
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.480
I always thought Sean was more of the wild child.
548
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.960
And it was incredible to me to see these two
549
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.079
guys and they hit it hard. Marty talks about it.
550
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.920
How you know they would, you know, every every night
551
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.960
they would they would party and do all kinds of
552
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.359
drugs and they had all kinds of women. I remember,
553
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.160
you know, you being at an arena and you know,
554
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.799
Brett used to do the cartoons and they used to
555
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.240
have a chalkboard in there or something, and and Brett
556
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.119
would do some kind of artwork and it was usually
557
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.400
telling about something that had happened. And I remember one
558
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:34.559
time it was this caricature of he would do both
559
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:38.119
of them and all and there was like a woman's
560
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:42.839
rear end I'll say, uh, And then like other things
561
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.200
paraphernalia and that, you know, and it was just kind
562
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.759
of an implication that, well, that was last night, I mean,
563
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.599
just insane. And the point of it is that, you know,
564
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.599
these guys party like no, I don't think there was
565
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.119
anybody else that and they were proud of that, but
566
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:05.640
even more so that they would show up to the
567
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:11.319
arena wherever they were performing that night and if you
568
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.480
didn't see them come, I mean like they'd be like
569
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:19.680
bleary eyed and like you know, obviously whatever effects of before.
570
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.200
But by god, when that when you said they'd run
571
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.240
out to the ring, Oh my god, and it would
572
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:28.759
be the same night after night. They didn't miss a beat.
573
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.759
I'm sure there were some, but you know, like I
574
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.720
wasn't out there in the house shows every night, but
575
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.319
I know every time I saw them, and I'm sure
576
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.319
the night before was no different than any other that
577
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.400
they when they were in that ring. And maybe it
578
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.319
was youth, I don't know, but you wouldn't have been
579
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.240
able to tell what went on and what kind of
580
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.880
sleep they may have gotten, and you know, and still
581
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.759
look good. You know, they somehow they still had to
582
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.559
get to a gym at some point. And it's not
583
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:01.599
like they were chiseled, but they had, you know, they
584
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.839
had good physiques. And uh, it's just when I look
585
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.119
back at that, I'm like, I don't know how in
586
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.480
the world that they were able to perform like that.
587
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.799
And they weren't weren't alone. There were others like them,
588
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.720
but you know, you hear about the legend of the
589
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.119
partying they did, and and uh and both of them
590
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.079
have admitted just how insane it was in amounts of
591
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:29.079
coke and uh, you know, the muscle relaxers and and
592
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.440
then the abuse that their body was taking. You know,
593
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.200
it's it's it's amazing that they were able to do
594
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.079
what they did at that level and still be able
595
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.079
to just set the world on fire every night.
596
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.920
Oh man, Yeah, you always hear stories of this time.
597
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.359
Uh lord, all the that you walk in.
598
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.160
There you blurry eye, but yet you're putting on amazing
599
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.920
matches every single time.
600
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:54.279
Uh.
601
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.079
You know, while we were talking for a second, I
602
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.240
did some research really fast. Let me throw this scenario
603
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.720
out at you. So the Rockers Heart Foundation, that match
604
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.000
October thirtieth goes wrong top rope, so they don't switch
605
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.319
the championships. Okay, the next time the Heart Foundation lose
606
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.039
the championships to the Nasty Boys, they have Resumenia seven.
607
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.799
Then they lose the titles to Legion to Doom. At
608
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.319
Summer Slim ninety one. Legion and Doom came into the
609
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.519
WWF in the summer of nineteen ninety. We're in October
610
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.480
of the Rockers not getting the belts after winning them. Technically,
611
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.119
do you feel like Vince had a plan. Okay, legit
612
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.920
Doomer here. Now, we're gonna bring them, but we got
613
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:35.200
to have get some wins uneath them.
614
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:36.960
We got to build them up first before we give
615
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:37.640
them the titles.
616
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.599
Do you feel like that is what happened here or
617
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.559
in reality it's just Rockers are partying like crazy and
618
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.119
we decided to go a different route.
619
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.160
Well, I think that, you know, before we had the
620
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.359
top rope incident, they were well aware of the lifestyle
621
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.400
these guys were living. So I don't know how much
622
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:02.319
that that played into it. I think more so that
623
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.480
when they because you know, they had tried to get
624
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.519
to Road Warriors the Legion of Doom into the WWE
625
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.240
for years, and so when it happened, yeah, that's that
626
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.559
was certainly the plan. So I think it was more
627
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.400
what you said the latter there, that they wanted to
628
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.720
get them and build it up and then and who
629
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.680
better than to have you know, the Rockers helped him
630
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:28.079
do it.
631
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:28.960
That's true.
632
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.039
And then it kind of gets a little worse for
633
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:38.240
them because December of nineteen ninety, an injury happens while
634
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.359
in the ring. They the Rocker is there an a
635
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.799
tag team match with a man named Chuck Austin.
636
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.880
He's in the match.
637
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.279
Marjarity accidentally paralyzes him in the match using a rocker dropper,
638
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.039
you know, and Chuck Austin at this point apparently has
639
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.559
only had six months of wrestling training at this point
640
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.440
in time in his life. He steps in the ringing
641
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.440
professional they do a move, it paralyzes them. Yeah, this
642
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:08.679
follows Marginetti forever up until nineteen ninety four when the
643
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.960
actual lawsuit occurs. So you're in the company when this
644
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.960
situation happened. What's the reaction, What is the protocol for
645
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:18.760
something like this?
646
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.320
Well, I'll tell you, I am amazed it didn't happen
647
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.639
more often because when we would go to these towns,
648
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.800
and you know, there was wrestling schools in pretty much
649
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.000
every city we went to, and what they would do
650
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.519
is they put the word out that they needed enhancement
651
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.039
talent or jobbers as they were better known then, and
652
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.440
they would literally send these kids, these green kids who
653
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.119
just wanted I mean, can you imagine that that's your dream.
654
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.599
You might be eighteen or nineteen twenty early, you know,
655
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.920
and you're getting a chance to not only step into
656
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.480
the ring with some of the most famous professional wrestlers
657
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.960
in the world. But you're going to be on television too,
658
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.280
So I don't know if they paid them fifty bucks
659
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.239
to come and do, they would have done it for free.
660
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:11.599
And so if you go in there and you're talking
661
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.519
to the guy, and the guy says, hey, okay, we're
662
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.239
going to go do this and I'm gonna do this
663
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.559
thing called the Rocker Dropper, and I was like, oh, yeah,
664
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:20.519
you know, you hear Marty Janea you tell the story.
665
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.840
And guy's saying, oh, yeah, yeah, I know all that.
666
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.000
We do that at the school all the time. You know,
667
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.400
they're just telling they'll tell you anything. And at the
668
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.119
same time too, I remember watching and the whole point
669
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.599
of it was, you know, Superstars and Challenge, you know,
670
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.800
those shows are promotional tools. It was to put the
671
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.400
superstars over and then sell the shows. So if they're
672
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:49.079
going to go up against somebody who obviously doesn't know
673
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:50.480
what the hell they're doing, a lot of them were
674
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.000
not in great shape. They're big puddles of flesh, and
675
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.239
so what do you have to do to the guy?
676
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.320
Whether or not you really want to or not, but
677
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:03.679
you've got to just ferrosiously destroy them to show just
678
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:08.960
how great you are. And uh so it's it for
679
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.760
the most you know, a hundred percent miname of that that.
680
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:13.239
But but it would a lot of it was was
681
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.079
stepf to put put it mildly where they would go
682
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.840
out there and it was kind of a rite of passage,
683
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.599
I think for a lot of these guys, and most
684
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.079
of you know, a lot of them didn't know what
685
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.119
the hell they were doing. I'm not taking away from
686
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.719
you know, Mike Sharp and those guys you know who
687
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.039
basically were part of the WWE. These are guys that
688
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.679
they would just bring in and uh just get just
689
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.039
to get destroyed. And as I said, they no matter,
690
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.280
they have to sign a waiver. They all signed waivers
691
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.519
saying whatever happens in this ring, you are voluntarily going
692
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.519
in and you hold no one responsible. And uh, mister
693
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.199
Austin did the same thing. He signed that paper. Uh,
694
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:56.719
and you're going to tell that guy you're going up
695
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.039
against it, because what are you gonna say if I
696
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.400
don't know that, Like, okay, get me somebody else. You're like, no, no, no,
697
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.880
I want to do you know, they want to they
698
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.320
want to do this and they're hoping that it's going
699
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.800
to help propel them in their career and one day
700
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.480
they'll be able to tell how they went up against
701
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.599
the Rockers. So this guy was going to tell him anything. Uh,
702
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.719
And this is according to Marty when he tells a
703
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.280
story and says that the guy that he told him
704
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.280
that he was familiar with, the Rocker dropper said and
705
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.679
all he had to do was just pancake on the
706
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:29.320
keep your head up and just pancake. Well, uh, when
707
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.880
he came down, if you look at the video, he
708
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.199
made it more like a DDT and he put his
709
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.360
head down and when he did that, his net you
710
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.360
could see it. His neck went sideways. And that's where
711
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:46.280
the injury happened. And uh, you know countless matches you see, Well,
712
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.760
the talent, the guy doesn't know that how badly you've
713
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.559
just been injured, this guy unless it's massively obvious. See,
714
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.559
and he goes and he tells him roll over and
715
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.320
and and Austin says that you know that he told
716
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.519
Mary I can't and you know, and you see Mary
717
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.320
basically rolls them over and then to put the spike
718
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.079
into it. Sean comes off the top rope and lands
719
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.920
on his chest. So who knows what that did and uh,
720
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.199
you know, but it's it's a tragedy. I'm like I said,
721
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.519
I'm surprised it didn't happen more often because you had
722
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:21.800
a lot of people in there that didn't know what
723
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.719
the hell they were doing. And I think from that
724
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.559
point on they would only uh, you know, actually bring
725
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.159
guys in that were proven commodities at least had a
726
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.679
very familiar knowledge of what you did in the ring,
727
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.719
and they were a lot more cautious about you know,
728
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.079
the what the what was going to be involved in
729
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.760
the match after that. But a huge tragedy and a
730
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.559
huge settlement for it. But it was a great lesson
731
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.320
for the WWE that you know, you can't just put
732
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.280
anybody in there and if they don't know what they're when,
733
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.719
people could really get hurt. And that's what happened. But
734
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.159
you know, you look back at it this amazing that
735
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.559
that was really the the only and biggest incident that
736
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:09.639
had happened like that.
737
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.519
Yeah, you would see over the years other videos come
738
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.960
out of the rest is just mamandling jobbers enhancement talent.
739
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.280
That's what you had to do, right, The thing that
740
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:21.320
you take it.
741
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.079
Easy on a guy You're like, oh, jeez, he's not
742
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.519
that ferocious. You know, I don't long go see him.
743
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.960
So they would destroy these guys and most of them
744
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.639
loved it, you know they.
745
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.119
I tell you buddies that got beat up by you know, lead.
746
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.480
Or I think yeah, I think Mick Foley the first
747
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.559
he was kind of what would say, he got his
748
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.559
start with the British Bulldogs and Dynamite Kid broke his
749
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:49.480
jaw after that, so he had a something to remember
750
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.639
him by for the rest of his career. But yeah,
751
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.760
you know, that's that's just the way it was back then.
752
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.960
The Hardy Boys started out that way. Rhino started that
753
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.599
with Brooklyn Brawler. You know, there's plenty Verry Horowitz, like
754
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.800
there's plenty of Skartcho Haughtya, There's plenty of people you
755
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.519
can mention that start off as just hey, a one off,
756
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.960
Hey can you come in here and get beat up
757
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.239
in your hometown, and then you keep coming back to
758
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.039
that hometown and suddenly someone sees it like, oh, all
759
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.360
right that you We've seen your dedication to the cause,
760
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.840
so you're gonna be involved with us from this point on.
761
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.880
But this this Chuck Austin situation, it you know, when
762
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.920
you think of I'm guessing you said it.
763
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:29.400
I'm guessing that when you do this, you have to
764
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:29.960
sign a waiver.
765
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.119
You have to sign a piece of paper that says,
766
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.800
if something goes wrong, we're not liable. You know, you
767
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.400
know what you're getting yourself into, because I'm guessing that's
768
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.320
how it worked. But when Chuck Austin goes paralyzed, obviously
769
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.639
I'd be pissed too. I'd be very upset that I paralyzed.
770
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.599
But you did tuck your head. He probably told you
771
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.199
not to do that. He sues, and in nine tenenty
772
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:56.880
four he wins twenty six point seven million dollars. Eventually
773
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.400
it is settled out of court and the WWF has
774
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.400
to pay ten million dollars.
775
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.679
Marginetti has to pay five hundred.
776
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.719
Thousand came out of his pocket too. Yeah.
777
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:11.519
Yes, Now, when you're in the company, I imagine that
778
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.480
this does not look good on you as a wrestler.
779
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:15.719
From Mary Janetti.
780
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.280
Sew Michael Is is also attached to this because he
781
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.480
is your tag team partner. So the heat that lands
782
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.800
on Marty probably lands on Sean was there after this event?
783
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.920
Do you from your observations at perspective of you know,
784
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.119
the Rocker as we love him so much, but this,
785
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.280
this has put too much heat on us.
786
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.360
No, I don't. I think I think that most people
787
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.760
realize that it was an accident, it wasn't something they
788
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.440
intended to do. And also, you know the realization there
789
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.480
was I mean, in a a twisted way, I guess
790
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.840
that it added some legitimacy to what those guys did
791
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.960
in the ring, that yeah, people can get really hurt.
792
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.519
This is not some make believe action. Really that's going
793
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.360
on in there. And I always would liken it to
794
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.599
you know, these guys are are professional stunt men. Well,
795
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.480
professional stuntmen get hurt all the time, and and uh,
796
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.320
these guys are, you know, unbelievable. I look at some
797
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.079
of the stuff that they did even then and now
798
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:29.280
today it's it's crazy. But how they don't they don't
799
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.199
go to a hospital every night is astounding to me.
800
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.119
I've said it many times. You know, it's you're there
801
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.239
in a car wreck every night. So, uh, you know,
802
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.880
I think it it added some legitimacy to what they did.
803
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.079
And also the fact that all the boys they they
804
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.840
knew that there was nothing really negligent that the Rockers did.
805
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:52.960
Any one of them could have been caught in that
806
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.000
situation if they ended up with a guy out there
807
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.000
and didn't know what he was doing. I mean, can
808
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.039
you imagine you know, I meant, I know that. But
809
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.639
you know, Joe laurn IIIs would talk about, you know,
810
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.440
some of these guys. They would be a little nervous
811
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.400
with these guys because you know, they hoist the guy
812
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.440
up on their shoulders and then Hawk would come off
813
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.000
the top rope and basically what they would tell him, look,
814
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.079
don't do anything, just relax, let it happen, because what's
815
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.000
going to happen is he's going to come across your chest.
816
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.440
You're going to do natural flip, and you're gonna land
817
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.639
flat on the apron. Well, if you stiffened up, or
818
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.519
let's say you ducked your head or and he got
819
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.360
the guy in the neck or something, it could have
820
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.039
been a disaster when you have people like that. So
821
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:35.800
I think in many cases the boys understood exactly that hey,
822
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.719
you know, that could have been me out there. And
823
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.000
and as you know, as far as the perception that
824
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.159
they may have lost some shine to some fans, but
825
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.800
I don't think many. I think that people understood that
826
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:52.079
they that they didn't mean for that to happen, and
827
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.719
and and also showed just what a dangerous and uh
828
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:03.119
you know, very real violence and collisions that are happening
829
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:03.639
out there.
830
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.039
Yeah, I'm more talking about like, if I'm Vincic Man
831
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.159
and I see this happen, you're thinking like, oh that.
832
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:11.679
I'm thinking two ways. One is like Vince being like, yeah,
833
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.440
you show that guy. He should have listened to you.
834
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.239
Or yeah, we're tough guys, and these people shouldn't just
835
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:17.840
step in the ring because they think they can do it.
836
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.039
I get that part. And then the other part is we're.
837
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:25.000
Like Jesus, like this is not good, like because now
838
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.639
he could probably smell a lawsuit coming because this isn't
839
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:30.559
This is December of nineteen ninety It's.
840
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.960
Not like before. I'm sure there were lawyers looking for
841
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.719
the ambulance.
842
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.679
Like January ninety four is when it's finally settled.
843
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.280
By that time, Sean Michaels has already become an interconnal champion,
844
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.360
you know, by that time, my journey's already been fired
845
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.239
and brought back. So like there's already been things that
846
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.599
have happened back and forth. But ninety one, I feel
847
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.480
like even as a fan. I mean, you're wondering, all right,
848
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.639
all the tag teams they've wrestled are no longer here,
849
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.079
Brainbusters are back into w tele Blanche doesn't work there anymore,
850
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.280
Demolition has broken up.
851
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:03.760
We got Repo Man like we have.
852
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.920
Everyone we've already wrestled has moved on, but we haven't.
853
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:08.920
As a tag team.
854
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.760
Do you feel like it's always necessary to move on
855
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:11.760
because leads to to doom?
856
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.760
Really didn't do that. Some tag teams don't do that.
857
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.599
Rockers they obviously chose to go different routes and storyline
858
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:19.440
and in real life.
859
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.880
But how did you feel with the Rockers in ninety one?
860
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.320
You're like, Okay, well we've done everything, but maybe we
861
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:26.920
should just try something different.
862
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:29.320
Yeah, but what do you mean by move on? Like
863
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:30.440
are you saying like.
864
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.480
Maybe turn heel or break out? Like what what's the
865
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.079
next step? Because they broke up, you know in ninety two,
866
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.239
but in ninety one it's like, okay, you didn't with
867
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.239
the tag team titles, you're kind of just doing what
868
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.840
you were doing before. What should we do because everybody
869
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.400
else has already broken up or left?
870
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:47.880
What's left? I guess?
871
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.119
Yeah, well I think, uh, in Sean's case, that he
872
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.360
had that itch earlier on before Marty did. And I
873
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.800
think that I think you know, already may have thought
874
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.559
he could have some success as a singles performer, but
875
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.920
I think that he knew where the gold was and
876
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:17.400
he knew that Sean and and him together were gold
877
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.320
in a sense. But you're right though at some point
878
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.000
and so okay, what are you doing? And I think
879
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.920
that in Seawan's mind, he always had that idea that
880
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.840
he could be very successful and he knew that's where
881
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.400
you really went to the next level. That's where you
882
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.480
you know, started making the money and that's where you
883
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.840
know the fame and what would be even more so.
884
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.199
And you know those two guys were together twenty four
885
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.800
to seven that you know, that's another element of it.
886
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.280
Was like man, and there's there's headaches that came along
887
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.519
with that. But I think just from the professional standpoint,
888
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.679
that Sean more than and then Marty had that eye
889
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.880
on at some point, I want to be on my
890
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.000
own and uh, you know it started to come to
891
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:07.559
a head. If you remember the story that uh, Marty
892
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.840
kind of said to you know, Sean, we got we
893
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.920
got this big opportunity to to uh go down south
894
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:20.239
and uh after you know, I don't remember which incident
895
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:21.800
it was, and I don't want to say, because the
896
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.679
historians will tell me how what I.
897
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:25.320
Do will don't do it.
898
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.039
Yeah, that Marty, you know, said hey, we've got this
899
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.559
chance to do that, and we can go down south
900
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.239
and then we're gonna make all this money and and
901
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:38.000
and Sean's like what and uh So anyway, they kind
902
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.480
of reach out and I don't know who I think
903
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.719
Sean called, uh, I don't know if he called Flair
904
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.920
or whoever. Or I think he even got in touch
905
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.719
with Bischoff. I'm not sure. But anyway, the idea was
906
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.119
they were like, uh, well, we really don't have anything
907
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.679
for you guys. I mean, you can come down and
908
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:55.960
we'll give you you know, but the but, the the
909
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.760
big contract stuff that they're handing out to everybody's just
910
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.360
not it's not happen. And so it was kind of
911
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.639
like one of those things that Martin didn't know what
912
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.400
he was talking about, was talking out of his rear
913
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:08.960
end that he just felt like that they were they
914
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.760
had such renowned that they could go down there and
915
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.440
then and name their own price. So I think that
916
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.960
started that was part of the cracks of it, you know,
917
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:22.119
saying like and he told, you know, basically told Vince
918
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.719
that we're leaving without really consulting, because he said, you went,
919
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.400
I'm gonna go talk to Vince, but didn't say that
920
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.639
I'm going to say we're quitting and yeah, and he
921
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:33.960
goes to Shawn's in on this and he's like, yes,
922
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.880
he's you know, he's he's behind me. And then when
923
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.639
Sewn actually talked to Vince, he said, like, he said,
924
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.320
what were what uh huh. So you know, that was
925
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.119
probably where some of the cracks were coming from, but
926
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.320
I'm sure it was just it was probably a combination
927
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.639
of things. But I think at the top of that
928
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.159
is that Sean felt that he had the talent and
929
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:58.239
the and it was getting to that point where if
930
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.199
he was going to do it at the time was yeah.
931
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.280
And Sean Michaels' documentary, he brings up a conversation who
932
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.000
has with Marty. He's like, yeah, I talked, you know,
933
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.000
I think we should split up and go do our
934
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.320
own things and maybe fight each other. And Marty was
935
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.360
taken back, like, wait, what are you talking about, Sean.
936
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.159
You know, Sean obviously saw something else and the most
937
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.559
famous breakup in tag team history happens at a barbershop
938
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.599
with Brutista Barber Beefcake. When Marc Jenny was a coward
939
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.320
and jumped through the glass window.
940
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:32.599
Was Bobby. He didn't put it, jumped. He was trying
941
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.280
to he was trying to escape him. He's afraid.
942
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.320
But yes, the most famous tag team breakup in Tag
943
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.559
Team's history happens at a barbershop. And you think the
944
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.920
Rockers have because in storyline form, the Rockers are showing tension.
945
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.199
It's Harverus Series ninety one.
946
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.519
Marty accidentally kick Sean Marks in the face that we
947
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.800
gets pinned like we've seen this over and over and
948
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.039
over again. Even in the WWF magazine they were pushing
949
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.360
the storyline are they breaking up? And they hold the
950
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.079
magazine up together and they're not breaking up. There to
951
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.320
together Shawn Michaels and super Kicks Marginetti and I love Bobby.
952
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.199
I knew, I knew he was gonna do that.
953
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.760
But it's so great. The line before he says that,
954
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.880
you know, because he you know, Sean makes it look like,
955
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.239
you know, we're we're all good. And Bobby's like, yeah,
956
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.280
that's right, you can't have one without the other. They're
957
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.000
just the greatest thing. And then bam and then Bobby's like,
958
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:20.159
I knew he was going to do that.
959
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.280
Knew it, and he rips up the magazine.
960
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.400
Yeah, Bobby, he perfect. It was perfect that you know,
961
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.840
the centerfold split the team right in half.
962
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.039
Oh it was beautiful.
963
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.760
Yeah, but man, oh well yeah that was one of
964
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.920
the biggest and greatest breakups. And you know, you you
965
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.679
look at that, you watch that video, and and Sewn's
966
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:46.519
got a pairallel leather boots on that they're not wrestling boots.
967
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:50.199
There's no rubber on the bottom of those souls. And
968
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.559
Marty even says, man, that was a bit stiff, and
969
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:57.039
that was a hell of a kick and took him
970
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.880
right off his feet. And then uh, of course you
971
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.599
had him, as you said, jump through the window. We
972
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.639
I think he had some assistance from Sean. And Marty
973
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.599
tells a story too, just a side note on the
974
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:17.320
glass that you know, because you see when he hits
975
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.400
the floor, he's got he's got some color. And uh
976
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.920
he says that they had three panes of glass. Two
977
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.880
of them were sugar glass and one wasn't, and that
978
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.239
the the crew didn't happen to mark them. So they
979
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:35.880
knew because you know, they always said they had a
980
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.480
backup in case for some reason they had to reshoot.
981
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.360
It wouldn't have been the first time something like that
982
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.239
may have happened, you know, you so you could redo
983
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:48.079
the window and uh he tells it that they forgot
984
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:50.639
to mark which one was which? And which one do
985
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.800
you they had it? One out of three chants? Which
986
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.400
one do you think they put in there glass? And
987
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.320
so that that wasn't him doing a little uh jab there.
988
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.400
That was the real deal. But man, that that was
989
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.480
quite a segment. And you have to wonder how much
990
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.719
was reality between those two at that point, because there
991
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.199
was a lot simmering underneath the surface.
992
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.679
Yeah, I thought Martin, I would have jumped to that
993
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.400
window too, that I.
994
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.880
Wanted to go all the way through. That would have
995
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:25.880
been great, you know, just for Sean to just like
996
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:27.639
grab him by the seat of the pant like that
997
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.280
and then throw them through it, you know, not kind
998
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.800
of like that. Yeah, you know, like the coconut incident
999
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:40.280
where oh man, Jimmy superfly, you know, he gets hit
1000
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.159
with any and and the the backdrop is supposed to
1001
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.119
fall down when he goes, but it's like they have
1002
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.719
these uh two by four you know framing on the bottom,
1003
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.559
so he can't it won't really go over, so he's
1004
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.800
like pushing it before he could get it to fall over.
1005
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.960
But yeah, the window, it was still it's still all work.
1006
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:00.280
But I would have loved to see him just go
1007
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.119
completely through the window. But they had to sell it
1008
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.719
with him on the floor and Brutus comes out and
1009
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.400
the whole deal. But it was brilliant.
1010
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.920
Yes, it's still again like there has over years now,
1011
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:15.840
we've had so many tag teams break up, from the
1012
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.000
Hard East, the Dudley's, you know, Legion to doom Edging Christian,
1013
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.559
you know, New Age out Laws, Like every single tag
1014
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.000
team eventually usually breaks up, and this I feel like
1015
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.840
it's one of those moments of this was perfect. We
1016
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.159
did everything we needed to do, we got here. We've
1017
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.519
had one turn heel, one turning baby face. But this
1018
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.199
also is the birth of something I want to discuss
1019
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.840
with you as well, is from this point on, when
1020
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.519
a tag team breaks up, one usually does really well,
1021
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.599
one doesn't do well, and they call that, oh you're
1022
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.239
the Marty.
1023
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.360
Jeannetti Jetti Marty Janetti, You're Marty Jenetty.
1024
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.119
You're you're the Jeanetti. How do you I asked him,
1025
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.239
I interviewed him a year ago. I asked him about that.
1026
00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:00.239
He didn't really really dive into it deep because he
1027
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.280
was in Mary.
1028
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.679
Would you he's on the other side of that to Tiger, Yeah,
1029
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.840
I'm a total failure and the success in my and
1030
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.039
I had success right there staring at me, and I
1031
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:10.840
smacked it.
1032
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.280
And kicked me in the face and through the window.
1033
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.519
How do you feel about that?
1034
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.639
Because that that is still to this day as we
1035
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.719
talk about it twenty something thirty years later, that's still
1036
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:21.000
a thing.
1037
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.000
Yeah. Well, and and that's another one, another situation. You
1038
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.000
talk about opportunities and and letting them slip away. Uh,
1039
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.280
that could have been a great run with those two
1040
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.639
that you talk about some serious heat and then you
1041
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.159
have and it would and it would have been a
1042
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.440
stage where both of them could have proven that we
1043
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:48.639
are great singles performers as well. And and it was
1044
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:52.639
it was a planned run, the two of them. But again, uh,
1045
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:57.840
Marty can't, can't let it happen, and he gets in trouble. Uh.
1046
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.360
But you know, there's several fact that were involved. I
1047
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.000
think this is a point where he had an altercation
1048
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:09.239
with a cop and he had restrictions on I don't
1049
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.679
know even know if he could leave his house, you
1050
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:16.800
know where it's like Marty, I mean that who knows.
1051
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.280
Let's say they would have that run, and you know,
1052
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.280
Marty would come back several times as I mentioned, and
1053
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.320
he would perform brilliantly in the ring where he would
1054
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.400
even get another contract they want him, and then he
1055
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:33.679
would be another couple of months go by. But this,
1056
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:38.320
this opportunity here, I think really, you know, set the
1057
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.119
stage for the rest of what happened for his career
1058
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:47.360
in professional wrestling, because this was a fantastic opportunity, regardless
1059
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.239
of whether or not he wanted it to happen. Because
1060
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.920
maybe he would have been just as happy for the
1061
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:57.239
Rockers to continue on as tag team champions, maybe turn heels,
1062
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.320
I don't know, maybe he whatever he thought, but Sean
1063
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.639
had other ideas. But this could have been beneficial to
1064
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:08.280
both of them. I would see, Yeah, he couldn't let it.
1065
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.519
It just couldn't let it happen.
1066
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.679
Ye strike force to me jumps out to me. Tito
1067
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:14.960
Santana and Rick Martell. The strike Force, they broke up,
1068
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.320
and then Rick Martel became Rick the Model Martel and
1069
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.000
Tito Santana. I didn't really do much, but he didn't
1070
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.920
fall at the wayside and get fired or have trouble.
1071
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.000
He had.
1072
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:26.960
They those two had a good, decent run. You know,
1073
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.760
they had fun. Sean Michaels obviously becomes world champion. That's
1074
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.199
the whole differing story altogether. But you're right, failing in
1075
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.880
drug test, getting fight with cops, wrestlming he in eight
1076
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.760
playing match January, they break up, wrestlming it eight makes sense.
1077
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.079
Nope, it doesn't happen. Marty's out of the company.
1078
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.360
Sean Michaels is in the first match of the night
1079
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.519
against Tito Santana, but he's a al Matador at that
1080
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.559
point in time. Yes, Marty returns a year later in
1081
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.480
nineteen ninety three to start this storyline over that happened
1082
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.119
a year ago. I'm sorry, but I don't think at
1083
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.920
the time attention span of wrestling fans were like, oh
1084
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:00.920
what happened to herego?
1085
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:03.400
Oh am I supposed to care about this?
1086
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.199
I didn't care about it, and then rest me and
1087
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:07.480
nine we're gonna do it again.
1088
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:08.239
No, we're not.
1089
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.119
Marty gets in trouble again and Shawn Michaels fights to
1090
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.000
Tanka in the first match at wrestling And now are
1091
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:14.840
we seeing a pattern here?
1092
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.760
Sean Mooney, Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely obviously. And they even
1093
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.199
gave him the inter Continental Belt for yep. Yeah, I
1094
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.599
mean that that's I mean, it just shows you that
1095
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.800
it wasn't you know, this wasn't charity work. They don't,
1096
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.320
you know, the w w EE as great, as greater
1097
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.320
than they are, as farting, as far as taking care
1098
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.519
of people in that kind, This was this, you know,
1099
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:40.000
was it always comes down to business, and that shows
1100
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:44.679
you that they felt that, you know, Marty was a
1101
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:47.679
great performer and that they believed that he could do
1102
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.880
something in singles competition. Otherwise they would have never given
1103
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.719
him the opportunity to to have some belts or or
1104
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.440
you know, or even be given the matchups that he got.
1105
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.599
You know a lot of times they might bring somebody
1106
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.440
back and it's kind of like, you know, he's he's
1107
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.280
in a tough situation. Let's get let's help him out
1108
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.280
a little bit. See how he does. No, they they
1109
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:13.480
gave him a you know, incredible push the times that
1110
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:18.519
he came back and never failed, something would happen. It's
1111
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:22.440
just amazing. I really, as you mentioned at the top
1112
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.280
of this that about the self sabotage, I don't know
1113
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:27.920
what else. I don't know what else it could be,
1114
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:29.960
because he's the only one that got in his way
1115
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.880
as far as you know, being able to capitalize on
1116
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.960
situations with the WW because my God, did they give
1117
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.960
the I don't know how many others. I certainly have
1118
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:44.320
got people have gotten many, many chances, but I don't know.
1119
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:45.719
He's got to be right up there.
1120
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.199
The fact that he came. He the breakup is one
1121
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.039
of the greatest of all time. And then he gets
1122
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.400
in trouble, so we don't get that. Yeah, hither he
1123
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.559
turns ninety three January, he wins in Recontinental.
1124
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.559
Entily like, oh, this is all the Bardy jurneys. He's
1125
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:01.440
not missed upbeat.
1126
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.719
The same thing happens to him Rustman yea nine and
1127
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.639
then he comes back in nine tinety five he forms
1128
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.199
the New Rockers with Leaf Cassidy al Snow.
1129
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:17.239
Same thing keeps happening to him, And I.
1130
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:19.840
Really have to wonder there though, with that, because it
1131
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.000
was kind of a spoof on the Rockers, and I
1132
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.920
don't know if it was you know, that didn't help
1133
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.000
him at all. Yeah, and it didn't help out either.
1134
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.920
But you know, as far as you know, coming back
1135
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.519
and we're they're basically saying, we're gonna, we're gonna goof
1136
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.960
on what made you who you are? And while you're
1137
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:41.199
known for you know that it's this out of touch
1138
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:46.679
tag team that still thinks they're cool when the that uh,
1139
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.119
you know, the disco ball has already been taken down
1140
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.199
from the club and it's a it's a you know,
1141
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.320
it's a different world. So I don't know what that was.
1142
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.360
That maybe that was just give him work, I don't know,
1143
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.360
but that that wasn't something that was gonna help. So
1144
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.440
I think it, you know, it started to wane and
1145
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.400
they realized that, you know, they just knew Marty was Marty.
1146
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:06.360
I know.
1147
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.719
And it's it's unfortunate because you over the year, Seaw
1148
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:11.199
Michaels has gone on the Hall of Fame, as Sean
1149
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:13.000
Michaels has gone in the Hall of Fame is in
1150
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:17.360
d X. Do you think that the Rockers themselves could
1151
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.519
go into the Hall of Fame because doing quick researcher
1152
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:23.760
here He's been laid off nine times by the WWF
1153
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.360
nine times, and I don't think anyone else has that record,
1154
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.320
and that's not a record you probably want.
1155
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.760
But I don't think that that's why they that would
1156
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:42.480
be considered as far as for Hall of Fame recognition.
1157
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:47.159
But as the Rockers, Yeah, because as we talked about,
1158
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.079
they set new standards in tag team they they did
1159
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.280
go to new heights pun intended here as far as
1160
01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:01.320
changing the way we watched tag team wrestling. So yeah,
1161
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.760
I think that they're very worthy despite all of the
1162
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.440
things that happened to Marty, and and I think that
1163
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.960
much of it had to do with he's an addict.
1164
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.719
I mean that you have to look at it that way,
1165
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:22.280
that he just couldn't shake it. And to this day,
1166
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.920
I you know that here he still talks about him
1167
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:29.400
partying and how he has to you know, when he
1168
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.199
was doing shows and doing whatever that you know, what
1169
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:36.360
do I do the rest of the week That it's
1170
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.360
too bad that he really didn't have an awakening like
1171
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.639
Seawan did eventually, And and so I you know, part
1172
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:46.599
of it is because he couldn't shake the demons. He
1173
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:51.360
couldn't shake those addictions and the lifestyle, and that's that's
1174
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.239
too bad because he could have been absolutely one of
1175
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:55.480
the greats.
1176
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.280
As I said before, you know, when i'd watched Rockers matches,
1177
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.159
wasn't Shawn Michael's who I was looking at. It was
1178
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:03.719
Marginetti who I was looking at, because he had it all.
1179
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:05.440
And you know we've talked about before.
1180
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.760
I've seen many interviews with you when you talk about
1181
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.239
wrestlers in what the road can do to you and
1182
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.440
what the road can take away from you.
1183
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.320
Do you feel like the road, you know, Sean Michael's the.
1184
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.880
Only reason he got clean or got better is because
1185
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.480
he got hurt in ninet tenety eight. He had to
1186
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.920
go home for like four years. And when that time
1187
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.199
he got was married, he found Jesus like he changed
1188
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:32.119
his outlook on life. Marganetti, I don't want to like
1189
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.920
kick a man down, ever, but like, do you think
1190
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.320
the road just took too much away from Marty and
1191
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:38.960
he was never able to get it back and in
1192
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:40.320
today's world he's still suffering.
1193
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.840
Yeah, And I don't I don't think. I don't think
1194
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.239
he can blame it on the road. I think that
1195
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you know, it was just the uh, it was the circus.
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He got to join that had everything he wanted and loved.
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So you know it is you know, you hear some
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of these guys they talk about, I can't imagine what
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01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.719
would be enjoyable about that life in the in the
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small version of it that I lived. And you know,
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01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:08.039
I didn't have to go to all those house shows.
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01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.519
I didn't have to you know, get up in the
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morning and and uh find a gym and and uh,
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01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.440
you know, work out and then be ready to go
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01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.719
and perform again after night. The night before somebody took
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01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.480
my head off and I can barely move my neck. Uh,
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01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.400
you know, but they they miss it, they loved it.
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They you know, be apart from your family, whatever semblance
1209
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.440
of whatever that might exist, but there's some people that
1210
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:37.679
that they love that, and especially if you have that
1211
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:43.719
type of personality and that that addiction, it's the perfect
1212
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.920
scenario for for that to continue and you never wanted
1213
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.320
to end. But it's it's it's it's really sad because
1214
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:54.880
it cost them everything. And there's others. You know, the
1215
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.400
list is long of what you know that did to
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01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.559
people just by the not just only the physical toll.
1217
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.719
But they're not on this planet anymore. One after another
1218
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.840
you know, it's it's just it's astounding. But you know
1219
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.559
they don't. I'm sure even to this day, I think
1220
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.400
Marty's even said I wouldn't change anything. It was awesome.
1221
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.280
I just read that book on the British Bulldogs, and
1222
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.639
you know, Tom Billington, his whole life was, you know,
1223
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:28.159
full of bad things that he was addicted to, between
1224
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:32.159
the steroids and all the drugs, and and and even
1225
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:33.719
at the end and I don't I can't believe he
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01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.840
lived a sixty But even the end of it he
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01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.719
said I wouldn't have I wouldn't change a day. I mean,
1228
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.280
imagine that all the price that he paid and all
1229
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:49.320
the carnage left behind. But you know, for him, the
1230
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.840
price was worth it, even in the even ending up
1231
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:52.519
in a wheelchair.
1232
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:53.880
Wow.
1233
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.039
Yeah, I guess fame and fortune and living out your
1234
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.880
dreams sometimes sacrifices must be made. And Michael's ended up
1235
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:05.800
becoming world champion and running the PC training today's world.
1236
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:07.440
Margine's doing hi thing.
1237
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.400
But all in all, the Rockers to me still one
1238
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.599
of the top five top ten tag teams of all time.
1239
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:14.079
Doesn't matter what year, what generation, They've influenced.
1240
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.480
The Hardy Boys, the young Bucks, motor Street machine guns,
1241
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.239
everyone who's a high flyer, because honestly, without them, you know,
1242
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:21.840
you'd think I got to be three hundred pounds and
1243
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:23.639
I got to be big, I got to be giant,
1244
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.440
and Shawn Michaels was six to one.
1245
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.960
Yeah, they opened the door for a lot of these guys,
1246
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.199
these younger guys. I'm sure there's a long list that
1247
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:36.639
became very successful and modeled themselves after those two. And
1248
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.280
I know you said, you know, you did an interview
1249
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:40.000
with Marty. I don't know how long ago it was.
1250
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:41.800
I saw him at a show a couple of years ago.
1251
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:44.599
I always like Marty I did. I mean, he was
1252
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.599
just he was all the interactions that I ever had
1253
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.280
with him, you know, it was very funny, and he
1254
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.960
even when I saw him then, and I just it's
1255
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.679
sad for me to think about that, you know, to
1256
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.760
the that road split for those two and and and
1257
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.360
the you know, and and Sean paid a big price
1258
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.079
along the way too. Thank God that he did find
1259
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.920
Christ and that changed his life and he's now he's
1260
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.480
helping others and he's you know, passing it forward. But
1261
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:19.480
you know, Marty could have been that same guy and
1262
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:23.760
Ben has had been just as successful, and that's that's
1263
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:24.719
the tragedy of it.
1264
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:25.760
Yeah.
1265
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.199
I think what's great about about the Rockers too, is
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01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:30.599
if you don't hear anything about like what happens backstage,
1267
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.480
if you just watched television, you have seen Rockers reunions
1268
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:35.559
in two thousand and five with Sean and Marty. We
1269
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:37.880
have seen Marty return here and they're finding Kurd angle
1270
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.159
in an amazing match on SmackDown about fifteen years ago.
1271
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.199
So if you're just watching television, the Rockers have done
1272
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.880
no wrong in the eyes of a fan. If you
1273
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.480
know the books, the story, the backstage, well there's different
1274
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:53.320
layers to that, but anything else but the Rockers you
1275
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.519
want to share, Mooney, No I.
1276
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:59.760
Just to this day, I think that they they stand
1277
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:02.360
up really well when you talk about some of the
1278
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.800
top tag teams and what the impact that they had
1279
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.400
on professional wrestling. Uh and and both of those guys,
1280
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:10.320
if we look at them in the ring, two of
1281
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:11.039
the greatest ever.
1282
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.519
Yes, agreed, all Rockers.
1283
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.599
I will forever push out my blowp hair, and I
1284
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.679
will wear my tassels and my tight hands and super
1285
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:20.239
kick my wife.
1286
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.480
And we don't doubt No. I don't want the spandex,
1287
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:29.639
and then I don't want to see that. You keep
1288
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:30.719
that to yourself, mister.
1289
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.159
Okay, now miss me and my wife Saturday night, folks,
1290
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:35.079
I'll send you the pictures.
1291
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.119
Don't you worry. She's Marty, I'm Sean. That's weird, all right.
1292
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:39.960
I have a great day on Steve fall He show
1293
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.280
you have a great day and we'll see you next time.
1294
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:49.639
Bu Ba, don't tell me you got you that night
1295
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:53.239
so fantasy sat into the re history.
1296
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.119
Don't the gold.
1297
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:56.239
Then tell me you