P&S ModCast 75 - Choosing Firearms Training That Matters

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Hey, everyone.
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Matt Lanphier here with Primary and Secondary. This is Modcast
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number 75. And as usual, I have no idea what
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we're going to talk about. We do have our network
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support people monitoring this. Hopefully, they're going to have some questions.
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Maybe some other people will post some questions for us.
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As of right now, we have Mike. We have Chad. Hopefully,
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Steve will come back. Quickly, a little background. Law enforcement background,
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video game background. Definitely Facebook.
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Yeah.
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Mike?
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Mike? a perpetual curmudgeon and a lifelong learner.
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That's right. And Chad.
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Everybody hates me. Pretty much.
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Yeah.
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You have a group dedicated to that.
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Yeah, I know.
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Right.
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That's like a status thing.
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I need to add it to my CV.
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I will confirm that.
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It's pretty slick heaven a place for people to actually
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focus their hate so I can handle it all in
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like one sector it's not coming from all directions it
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makes things a lot easier but yeah I live in
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on a mountaintop middle of the.
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Woods and yeah.
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Jarhead farms instructor gunsmith guy and general mr. fix it
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around the house now I've been battling a well for
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the past five days and been a lot of fun
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it's gonna be expensive well yeah yeah we're on a
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well and uh it went tits up on Thursday in
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the afternoon and we spent Friday Saturday we tried to
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pull the pump that didn't happen and um got a
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lot of material and stuff finally got a scope today um.
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And Our well's 320.
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Feet deep, and we've got some pretty good leaks at
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100 feet and a lot of iron and stuff.
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We've got to get a liner dropped in.
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It's going to be like $ 2, 500, but it should alleviate
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any other future issues.
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Yeah, that's one hell of an intro. Is that the
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cost of living on a mountain?
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Yeah yeah pretty much you know my neighbor's awesome they're
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great great people um he actually built this house back
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in 96 so that's good to have him around turns
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out they've had to re-drill five times on their property
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you know 150 yards away um it's just luck or
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unluck of the draw how long your well's gonna last
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depending on underground streams and whatnot.
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But um Yeah, dude, that's nasty stuff. And it's heavy.
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It sucks.
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But I'm cool with it. I'm cool with baby wipes
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and stuff and bottled water. My wife, not so much. Fortunately,
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she got called out of town to handle some stuff
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up in Ohio. And so she popped smoke today and I'm.
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Like, please, Modcast, please. So got me a full volume tonight.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Mike, have you had any issues with your neighbors?
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Speaking of living on a mountain or having neighbors?
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Oh yeah.
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So I had to go to town for a weekend
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to do a thing in Virginia. But, uh, I had my, um,
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light project, which, uh, shines on his house cause he's
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a dick.
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Um, and yeah, I.
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Just fucking light up the whole side of his house. Um, And, uh,
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I had to go to town and I'm like, he
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complained about it. I'm like, well, I'll, you know, get
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around to it. I'll adjust him a little bit, which
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meant I would move him like half an inch or
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some shit.
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Cause he wants to play fuck, fuck games. I can
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do that too.
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Anyway, uh, I come back and I get in really
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late on a Saturday night.
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And, um, I noticed that the.
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Positioning of my lights on the side of my house
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has changed. So that's criminal trespass and tampering. So I
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repositioned the lights. He's not very happy about it.
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And he also has a nasty habit of walking his dog,
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picking up dog shit, putting it in these lime green
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dog shit bags and depositing them near the steps of
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his house.
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So I can't open the windows.
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On the north side of my house to enjoy the
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nice fall breeze because I smell dog shit all day.
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So he's a fucking he's a peach. Let me tell you.
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A motherfucker. I do like your Clark Griswold approach.
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Yeah.
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Fuck that guy.
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So there's this guy that had to, I'm not, I
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told some other people the stories.
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I'm not going to repeat them here.
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It takes forever, but basically I had to have some
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electrical work done.
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And the guy was really cool.
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Retired Navy problem, solve some shit. Nobody else could figure
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out young guy, just smart as hell. And so I
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got his car and I asked him if he'd be
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willing to put up some extra shit on a weekend
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or something.
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He's like, yeah.
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So he's going to install even more fucking lights on
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the side of my house.
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So it doesn't matter where they're focused.
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It's going to look like the fucking Stalag 17 perimeter
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light system. And he's just the fucking guy living next door.
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He's just going to have to fucking deal with it.
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So basically all the floor and fauna around your house
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are just going to be flourishing from 24-hour light.
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Oh yeah. I mean, I can, I could grow poppies
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on the.
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Side of my house and get rich, you know, doing opium.
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I mean, I could grow anything on the North side
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of my fucking property.
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Yeah. But he's just a fucking prick. He's a prick,
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you know?
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I mean, one time he fucking cut down a tree
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that there's this shared, our driveways are parallel to each
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other and there's this strip of property that separates the
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two driveways and that, there's always been this fight about
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who owns it. And the guy that lived there previously
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was a dick. And when this guy moved in, he
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was pretty cool initially. And he's like, can we tear
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this out?
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And I said, I'm like, no.
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You can take this out or you can turn this.
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But we don't know exactly who owns what. So if
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you want to pay for the survey, you can knock
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yourself out. Otherwise, we have to agree on shit. And
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so one night he comes to me late at night
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and he goes, hey, can I cut this tree?
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And I'm like, no, it's fine.
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He goes, well, I don't like it. I'm like, don't
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fucking cut it down. So I go inside to take
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a shower because I've been out in the fucking, you know,
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chiggers and mosquitoes all goddamn day early this summer. And
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I hear a fucking saw going when I'm in the shower.
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I'm like that motherfucker. So I fucking drive real fast,
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throw on some shorts and I go out and there's
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a tree in my driveway up against my house.
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And I'm like, what did we just fucking talk about?
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And he's like, Oh, sorry, dude. Okay. Whatever. Just fucking
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clean it up.
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So of course he portions out the tree the next
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morning when I'm sleeping and When I told him I'd
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get up at noon, don't fucking do things early.
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Again, he doesn't listen.
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And then he fucking hauled off the big pieces but
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left all the broken twigs and broken leaves and all
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this other shit.
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In my driveway. He's just a prick.
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He's pissed everybody in the neighborhood off and his time
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is going to come.
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But I got a great.
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List of things to do to him from different mods
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and people that jump in here from time to time,
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which I'm not going to talk about live because.
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You know, statute of limitations and shit. But the light
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project is.
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Going to be increased just to make his life a
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living hell all winter long.
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Anyway, so I hate my neighbor. Does that answer your question, Matt?
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Yeah, it does.
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I am so glad I don't have neighbors like that.
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Oh, but I will say this. My neighbors that live
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on the southern side of my property.
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They told me– they came up and approached me and said, hey, look,
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we're going to be renting this property out.
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Cool.
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Good for you.
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We know you like your privacy. How would you feel
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about planting some stuff along our shared fence line?
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I'm like, yeah, that's fine. You don't have a problem
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with that?
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No.
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Well, we're going to be doing a lot of work.
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I said, you guys know I get up around noon, right?
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Yeah, we'll try to tell them the crew is doing
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the stuff on the house to hold it off until
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that 1030.
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Cool. So they're cool neighbors. We talked, right?
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It got solved. That's what good neighbors do for each other.
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But this fucker in the north of me, you know,
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I just I that's why I hate people and don't
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go outside.
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I just can't stand that shit.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, I know. You know what I'm talking about. Anyway. So, hey, Chad.
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Go ahead. Chad, did you get the table, you know?
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finished oh yeah.
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Uh tables in the dining room actually i could probably
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take you on a tour in there um.
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Did you get the uh extension leafs built and everything.
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Yep and those things are a mother like fuck dude
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like once we got a man i was like yeah
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let's see how it looks if it all fits.
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Like it all assembled camps i was like oh wow so.
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Huge i'm like yeah Yeah. Well, and she's like, well,
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do we have to have the extensions on there? I'm like, well, no,
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but I, you know, I built them like to show
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them off a little bit. Well, that lasted about two weeks.
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She's like, she gets me up.
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She's like, Hey, I need you to take these extensions out.
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I can't do it.
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I was like, well, all right, I'll go ahead and
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try to pull them out. I can't get them out.
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Whenever I got it all assembled, those extensions are just
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so heavy that they get a little play in the
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center strut on them as a two by four and
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not thinking about it.
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Cause I've never built something like that before.
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I ran them running flat and they're not structurally strong
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that way. Right. And I realized that instead of running
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them this way. And so, uh, they had a little
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bit of flex to them.
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And so I was like, well, maybe it's just got
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a little lift, a little give in the center of
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the table.
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Cause I got a center stringer going across the middle
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there underneath. I was like, hmm. So I climbed underneath there,
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and I got like one of those small Kreg jigs,
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and I clamped it up there, put some more pocket
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holes in there, and ran some more screws up into
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it to snug it up, and it helped. Well, that
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snugged it up a lot.
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Exactly.
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Trying to get it out like kelly kelly had to
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climb on top of the table pretty much try to
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hold it in place because i mean it's on felt
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you know pads you know on hardwood floor so you
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try pulling it just i mean i don't care it's
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like a 300 pound.
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Table it slides dude it's legit to sit on the
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table just like to get it started and back it
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up into one corner have enough room to run the
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whole extension out had to reverse the process but Yeah,
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it came out awesome.
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Got it done and everything just in time for my
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parents to come in and visit. Her family came and visited,
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so everybody got to see it. I actually built her
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a vanity, too.
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It came out really baller.
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She really liked that. She couldn't make up her mind
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on the stool for it. I don't care to make
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chairs because you sit on a chair, it breaks, somebody's
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getting hurt. That's going to be me because I'm going
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to get beat with a broken chair. Yeah.
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Not running that risk.
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So she bought some like $ 40 stool from like target
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online or something.
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And it's a nice little stool. Well, she gets it.
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And like the whole math thing, geometry, scaling things out.
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It just kind of goes, she ain't got time for that.
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So she orders a stool. And I mean, it squeaks
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in underneath the drawer on this vanity. And she's like,
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can you shorten it? I'm like, uh, I'm looking at it, man.
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I wish you had consulted me on wanting to shorten
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this thing before you bought this specific one, because the
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legs are kicked out at 11 degrees and they're just
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not kicked out this way.
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They're actually kicked off at a 45. Right. At 11 degrees.
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And then they got the side struts, you know, anchoring
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things up. You know, I've got a nice.
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Miter saw now and all that.
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I'm like, well, I can definitely cut an 11 degree on,
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on a minor saw, but the problem is it runs
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at a 45. So how am I going to anchor
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this thing up?
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And so I pull all the legs.
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I had a piece of, it was just a 45
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degree cut piece of scrap that was relatively straight on
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the back. So I'll put that against the backstop and,
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you know, I clamped it in there and I make
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all my cuts and, um, I get it done.
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I'm like, sweet. I actually got it right. Every cut
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was right. Everything's perfect. Get the chair reassembled, bring it in.
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And she's like, eh, Kim, Oh, no.
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Get online and order something different.
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Yeah.
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And so I'm like, all right, cool. I'll ride this bull.
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And so like, come on, this thing's like, it's wood.
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It's like made like in Malaysia somewhere, but it's like
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some kind of hard wood, but you're running these plated
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lag bolts into wood holes, man. You can only do
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that so many times. So I'm thinking, man, I'm going
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to finally get this thing done and the screws are
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just going to tear out.
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Well, I take it back in there. And at this point,
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I'm getting hungry. I'm tired. It's late in the afternoon.
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I'm like, fuck it.
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I'm just going to get this done. So I get out,
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measure it.
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I'm like, I have enough room to make another cut
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and take it as short as I can.
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And then that's as far.
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As I can go because the through holes for the
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cross support things, those stringers.
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So the first cut, not paying attention.
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And I cut it off. Like I'm off angle, 90 degrees.
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on this already weird 45 degree offset thing with an
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11 degree angle.
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So it's like totally unusable. I'm like, Oh shit. Like
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this is bad.
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So long story short, I go to take measurements of
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one to three eighths inch, you know, piece of square hardwood,
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go to Lowe's and the smallest thing they have similar
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is some like poplar or something and.
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It's inch and a half i'm like god damn it.
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So i ended up having to buy a planer which
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that at least worked out um planted down got it
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dimensionally correct built a better jig an actual v block
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which was pretty killer and i ripped it out in
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about 10 minutes and got it all done but dude
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that fucking thing like i get it done she's like
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you're gonna paint it i'm like.
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You got that. You got the paint.
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Not me.
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I'm not doing that. Overall, that project came out pretty good.
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One of her co-workers wants me to build her a
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trash can.
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Okay.
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Out of reclaimed wood. Turns out her husband's a retired
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professional wrestler from the WWE. I don't know who he was.
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No name, but.
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Just get paid, man.
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Yeah, I need to get paid because it's expensive building
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my wife's shit.
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Yep but you know.
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Every time i take up another project i get to
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buy another tool and she made a comment the other
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day i was like you gotta kid me she's like
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i can't remember how it even came a conversation but
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it was along the lines of why'd you buy that
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tool i was like well i had to finish your
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chair she's like it's a 200 tool why'd you buy
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a 200 tool to.
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Fix a 40 chair And I'm just like, don't even
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fucking start.
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Yeah.
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But see what you need to say to her is yeah.
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But now that we've paid for the tool and future projects,
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I can do much more efficiently, which means I have,
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which means I have more.
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Time to spend with you, honey.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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See, that's how you have to sell that shit.
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Exactly.
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But yeah, she loves it. And it's pretty cool.
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Cause, uh, we had reclaimed wood from the house, um,
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There's a stupid piece of lattice that was on some
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rough-hewn cedar, like a frame. It was about four feet
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by two and a half feet wide. They just had
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tacked this lattice there. It was screwed to the side
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of the porch when we bought the house. I immediately
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pulled it off. I was just sitting out by the garage.
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I gutted that and I used that wood, recut it,
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maximizing how much room I had. I did a bunch
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of crazy math. I couldn't even tell you I came
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out the measurements I did but it basically is much
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I used as much wood as I could to create
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a square frame and uh used a small DeWalt hand
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router made some guides got lucky cut the pockets on
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the on the back side for a mirror we had
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a mirror upstairs a plate mirror big one that we'd
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taken off a wall so I was going to cut
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that well every fourth cut it shattered and So I
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went to a glass shop in town and 21 bucks
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later and that dude, the professional broke six mirrors.
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So I got that on him, but I mounted, um, you.
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Know, those led hockey puck lights for like under counters
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and stuff.
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Um, I bought those to fix a previous mistake and
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she hated them. So I just hung on to them.
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And, uh, so I mounted those on the inside of
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Mason jar lids and to the outside of the frame
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for the mirror. And, uh, of course board holes for
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the wires on the back and it's the small like
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half pint whatever mason jars that screw on his globes
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on the light so it's pretty pretty slick but yeah
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there's a lot of people want me to build them
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shit now i'm like dude i get lucky every time
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it's not like i i you know i need to
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be the point where i'm not producing as enough scrap
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to make a complete project every time i make something
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it's really expensive to do things that way you got
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to minimize my scrap but it kind of backfired because
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we're trying to get this wall knocked out and our
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contractor neighbors looking at it. I'm talking to the other
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day and he's like, you know, honestly.
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You can do it yourself.
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And I'm like, yeah, but I don't do stuff directly
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to the house. Cause if I screwed up, I don't
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know how to fix it.
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I can't afford it.
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It doesn't be too expensive.
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You're like, dude, you built a table, you built a vanity.
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You could, you could tear.
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Down a wall.
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And I'm just like, damn it.
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No, that's not the answer I want to hear. Yeah,
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but now you have a fallback career, dude.
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Exactly.
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You know, I had to put on this election.
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You know.
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Yeah, I just might be.
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You could you could do Chad's furniture at Tamarack fucking
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tourist fucking center in Beckley, right?
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, you know, Lewisburg here is a total.
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For like antiques and furniture and stuff like that. So
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I have a point, like I have a lot of
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flea markets, it sounds like trashy as all get out,
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but it's actually like one of those destinations where people
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come down from like the city for like DC and
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stuff to come buy nice furniture from like the Amish
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and whatnot.
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So, I mean, I could.
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And you look Amish. So yeah, there's that.
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I just got to get rid of this part right here.
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With all the tattoo.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Just wear some long sleeves.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I'll get you a hat from the kids here
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in Clark. I'll set you up with a hat. Those
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curly sideburns? No, no. Wrong group. Wrong orthodoxy. And they
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wouldn't be drinking that shit. But it's from Pennsylvania, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm not hat man. So what are we going
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to talk about? Furniture? Are we going to talk about.
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Are there any outstanding issues on our groups?
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Not that I know of. Terry and Steve just joined us.
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Am I.
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Is it working?
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Yeah. I heard both of you.
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You're good, Verizon.
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Hey, did you all hear that Springfield Armory is coming
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out with a new AR?
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Yeah.
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I saw something on that.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I saw that.
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Interesting.
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I thought I'd break it here first. So it's key.
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It's a polymer key mod.
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What?
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Yeah. It's got Dick mod on it, dude.
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Yeah.
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I was, uh, I was talking to the network support
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guys about it earlier. And, uh, I didn't know anything
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about it, but if you're claimed, they're like, well, does
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it do anything different than any.
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Other AR execute? What ARs do in some unique way?
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There's a key mod polymer handguard that's non-free float.
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I'm like, oh, wow, that's really fucking interesting. If that's
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your key feature, a key mod polymer non-free.
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Float handguard It just happens to be Springfield Armory.
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Yeah, I was relieved that there was no backstrap safety.
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That's the running joke.
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Yep.
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Dude, just add one. Just add one.
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No.
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There's an aftermarket for it. Someone's going to invent a
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solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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And they're probably going to add like a MEMS trigger
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pack in it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And they're going to laser etch on the side of
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the hammer.
504
00:23:59.049 --> 00:24:00.029
Do not dry fire.
505
00:24:00.049 --> 00:24:03.650
They're like perforating where it's going to break.
506
00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:07.150
So who's taking bets on how long this is going
507
00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:07.619
to last?
508
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:10.819
How long what's going to last?
509
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:12.240
Why would it not last?
510
00:24:15.579 --> 00:24:17.079
I give them three years on the project.
511
00:24:19.789 --> 00:24:22.250
Before they had a backstrap safety?
512
00:24:22.269 --> 00:24:22.329
Oh.
513
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.480
No, just the whole, hey, look at our new saint.
514
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.160
They're late to the party with all the people.
515
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:34.579
They're getting tools. You're going to have a bunch of
516
00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:35.019
people that.
517
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.480
Don't know what they don't know buying into that because
518
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:39.859
it's Springfield, and they're going to find out that they
519
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.920
bought something that fails, and they're going to have to
520
00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:43.180
go spend money someplace else.
521
00:24:44.619 --> 00:24:47.349
I don't think it's going to last. That's just my opinion.
522
00:24:48.490 --> 00:24:50.109
I'm usually wrong, but whatever.
523
00:24:50.670 --> 00:24:51.809
Oh, always, always.
524
00:24:52.529 --> 00:24:54.809
You know, I don't get why they released it now
525
00:24:54.849 --> 00:24:56.609
and they couldn't wait three more months.
526
00:24:58.329 --> 00:25:00.369
Because they know the panic buy is coming. They got
527
00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:01.269
to get that shit out there.
528
00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:03.849
That's exactly correct. I guess so.
529
00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:07.690
I mean, they're already taking orders for it.
530
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:08.250
I mean, I.
531
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:13.880
Guess they were sitting there in their boardrooms like, well,
532
00:25:13.900 --> 00:25:15.640
we're a week out. Do we want to launch this
533
00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:16.500
balloon or what?
534
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.589
Yeah. I don't think there was anyone rushing into the
535
00:25:20.630 --> 00:25:21.970
boardroom going, well, it's not ready.
536
00:25:22.289 --> 00:25:22.829
It's not ready.
537
00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:27.740
I don't think that was happening. There's no QC engineer.
538
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.299
They're calling Armalite across the street. Hey, are our rifles ready?
539
00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:39.460
Buy it, it's going to sell. And people are going
540
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:41.240
to love it. And they're going to say it's the
541
00:25:41.289 --> 00:25:41.880
best thing ever.
542
00:25:44.029 --> 00:25:44.309
Yeah.
543
00:25:45.730 --> 00:25:46.130
It works.
544
00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:50.440
I hate people. It'll probably come with a free XD holster.
545
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.359
Oh, yeah, like a big-ass injection-molded AR holster so you
546
00:25:56.380 --> 00:25:57.380
can open-carry it.
547
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.720
At Chipotle, you fucking piece of human.
548
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.779
With the offset mag pouches for AR mags, it's good.
549
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:07.630
Like, woot to A.
550
00:26:07.769 --> 00:26:09.529
Yeah.
551
00:26:11.589 --> 00:26:12.250
Open-carry AR.
552
00:26:12.309 --> 00:26:16.349
I'm just hoping it's compatible with that Fab Defense... bipod
553
00:26:16.390 --> 00:26:19.269
thing oh my god that's awesome i.
554
00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:22.430
Just don't even know they've got to be trolling.
555
00:26:21.990 --> 00:26:24.349
Us like fab defense has to be like a front
556
00:26:24.789 --> 00:26:27.750
so the israelis can like actually it's like the shitty
557
00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:30.250
export brand it's like foster's beer like no one in
558
00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:33.569
austria australia drinks fosters it's just the shit they sell
559
00:26:33.589 --> 00:26:34.730
to the gringos.
560
00:26:34.950 --> 00:26:37.670
And you know they're they're have defenses.
561
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:42.000
Well, no, they're heavy into green solutions. They're all about
562
00:26:42.019 --> 00:26:45.309
the earth, and someone needs to use the old recycled
563
00:26:45.369 --> 00:26:48.190
milk jug somehow. And what they do is they melt
564
00:26:48.210 --> 00:26:50.210
them down and make fab defense products.
565
00:26:51.809 --> 00:26:51.950
Great.
566
00:26:51.970 --> 00:26:53.230
Now they're going to show up at your job.
567
00:26:54.539 --> 00:27:02.119
Yeah, okay. I don't think Jews can get into Utah.
568
00:27:06.490 --> 00:27:09.750
I'll get there to the Mormon checkpoint and be like, Pippa's.
569
00:27:10.710 --> 00:27:11.690
House where I spit.
570
00:27:14.390 --> 00:27:15.029
Oh, this is fun.
571
00:27:16.430 --> 00:27:17.289
Okay, good night.
572
00:27:17.349 --> 00:27:19.990
You can catch this podcast on the Southern Poverty Law
573
00:27:20.890 --> 00:27:22.410
Center's intelligence report.
574
00:27:24.569 --> 00:27:26.930
Or on that subject, are we going to be sending
575
00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:29.779
a care package of wool blankets to North Dakota?
576
00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:32.480
Oh, God.
577
00:27:34.750 --> 00:27:36.910
I find it fun that a bunch of my friends
578
00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:38.119
have been checking in.
579
00:27:38.130 --> 00:27:39.660
Oh, yeah, yeah.
580
00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:43.500
And they're nowhere around there. And I'm like, dude, you're
581
00:27:43.539 --> 00:27:43.940
in Florida.
582
00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:49.839
You're not over there.
583
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.079
One of our viewers just mentioned that it's going to
584
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:53.400
come with a giant Serpa.
585
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:54.680
Oh.
586
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:56.799
That's quality.
587
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.700
Yeah, that actually matches pretty well.
588
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:05.109
Did you see– speaking of that, did you see Blackhawk–
589
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:11.890
has that new universal holster system that they're going to
590
00:28:11.910 --> 00:28:12.430
be bringing out?
591
00:28:13.490 --> 00:28:14.009
I hope not.
592
00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:15.150
No, I ignore that.
593
00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:17.750
Is it going to be like a recycled sock?
594
00:28:19.349 --> 00:28:19.630
No.
595
00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:22.690
Some company, God, I.
596
00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:25.789
Can't remember what the name of it is, but it's
597
00:28:25.829 --> 00:28:32.660
basically like it looks like a safari land shank. You
598
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:33.500
know what I'm saying?
599
00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:36.400
For the holster. So, like, the three-hole shank.
600
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:36.960
Yeah.
601
00:28:36.980 --> 00:28:37.980
That's, like, one of those.
602
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.859
And it's just basically got a shell. Like, basically, like,
603
00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:43.720
an empty shell around it. And on the inside, there's, like,
604
00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:47.960
a groove. And so, basically, how the system works is it's, like,
605
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.869
a low-profile pick rail attachment or, you know, accessory rail
606
00:28:53.890 --> 00:28:55.869
attachment that goes on the front of your pistol.
607
00:28:56.250 --> 00:28:58.890
And it's got a little notch that goes into that
608
00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:00.470
groove then. So, it's just basically.
609
00:29:01.579 --> 00:29:04.240
a hanger for your pistol and it was just an
610
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.799
empty shell around it. So you can use any sort
611
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.349
of weapon like combination or any weapon site combination with it.
612
00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:13.579
And basically where I'm going with that too, is they've
613
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.039
made it for ARs as well.
614
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:17.119
How about no?
615
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.759
Well, Hey dude, just saying.
616
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:20.420
Yeah.
617
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.619
How about no? Yeah.
618
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.140
That's that whole dumpster fire that ATK started is, is
619
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.059
biting them in the ass.
620
00:29:31.250 --> 00:29:32.829
What, ATK Bob Blackhawk or something?
621
00:29:32.849 --> 00:29:34.500
Oh, you didn't know about all this shit, dude?
622
00:29:35.859 --> 00:29:38.349
No, Mike. I don't have the industry memorized.
623
00:29:38.589 --> 00:29:39.369
Yeah, no, that.
624
00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:39.859
Happened a while ago.
625
00:29:39.869 --> 00:29:41.190
Yeah, that was a while.
626
00:29:41.769 --> 00:29:44.470
Yeah, that was, they bought Eagle first and then.
627
00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:49.069
Bought Blackhawk and put Eagle under Blackhawk and their nylon
628
00:29:49.130 --> 00:29:50.369
goods division.
629
00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:51.569
That they had to create. Yeah.
630
00:29:52.470 --> 00:29:54.289
And they, I'm not going to get into some things
631
00:29:54.309 --> 00:29:57.980
because I'm not allowed to, but basically they, ATK kind of,
632
00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:00.519
they were going to do the right thing, but then
633
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:03.599
they got the bean counters involved in the efficiency experts
634
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:07.609
and jacked, uh, not only, uh, Eagle up, which basically
635
00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:11.970
is almost done now, but, uh, they also fucked up Blackhawk.
636
00:30:12.029 --> 00:30:14.630
So the Blackhawk.
637
00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:17.609
Had the, uh, low information themselves.
638
00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:19.059
Yeah, exactly.
639
00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.859
They had the low information purchaser, you know, their catalog
640
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.539
was fat enough and they, they ripped off enough other
641
00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:28.619
people that they could, uh, with concepts that they could, uh,
642
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.180
you know survive and that's you know they sell to
643
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.650
departments and people that don't know what they don't know.
644
00:30:36.789 --> 00:30:39.529
So as a matter of fact I I'm not on
645
00:30:39.569 --> 00:30:40.309
a computer.
646
00:30:39.990 --> 00:30:41.650
So I can't fucking post like maybe I can send
647
00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:43.049
it to Matt and he can post it but there's
648
00:30:43.069 --> 00:30:45.750
this great image of the coffee maker modcasting yeah I
649
00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:51.779
am there's this excellent image of a Serpa with the
650
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.859
Pesh over fighting fighting in Syria right now I'll send
651
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.480
it to Matt maybe he can put it up but
652
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.029
yeah Serpa no Anyway. And don't get me started on
653
00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:05.190
Southern Poverty Law Center. Those fucking guys stepped on their
654
00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:06.250
crank in the last week.
655
00:31:07.849 --> 00:31:08.170
I won't.
656
00:31:10.630 --> 00:31:11.630
Oh, there's another one.
657
00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:13.109
Great bunch of people.
658
00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:17.789
Okay, Steve, say something funny.
659
00:31:20.269 --> 00:31:21.250
Not everything's a joke, Matt.
660
00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:22.130
Damn it.
661
00:31:24.309 --> 00:31:24.970
Heard that somewhere.
662
00:31:26.930 --> 00:31:28.670
Are you trying to look like Stagliano or something?
663
00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:36.250
Just need to get glasses yeah don't you mean Costa
664
00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:45.190
sure no I think I'm double Stagliano's height hmm yeah
665
00:31:50.329 --> 00:31:52.869
have you met him no I don't know he's a
666
00:31:52.930 --> 00:31:54.869
cool guy I really like talking to him.
667
00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:00.869
Cool story Yeah.
668
00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:02.089
Cool story, bro.
669
00:32:02.470 --> 00:32:03.589
Do you have an anecdote?
670
00:32:04.210 --> 00:32:06.009
No, I just, I like him. He's a cool guy.
671
00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:07.269
He's going to name people we like.
672
00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:08.269
Yeah.
673
00:32:08.529 --> 00:32:10.150
Well, let's see here. There's Chad.
674
00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:10.259
Yeah.
675
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:13.359
Not Mercer.
676
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:15.059
Oh, damn it.
677
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:15.660
Okay.
678
00:32:15.700 --> 00:32:23.319
So speaking of Chad, that Milwaukee PD bulletin about the
679
00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:24.240
MMPs cracking.
680
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.180
I didn't see it. Well, where are they cracking?
681
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:35.430
Uh, if I remember correctly, near the, what is it called? Hell,
682
00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:38.069
I had to retype the whole thing. I should be
683
00:32:38.089 --> 00:32:38.630
able to tell you.
684
00:32:39.009 --> 00:32:39.670
Right behind that?
685
00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:43.369
The serial number, yeah. Along the side. Here, I'll send
686
00:32:43.390 --> 00:32:43.829
you a link.
687
00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:46.849
Yeah, to the right, or on the right side, I think,
688
00:32:47.529 --> 00:32:50.089
to the rear of it, and they have quarter-inch cracks.
689
00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:56.970
Hmm. I'll tell you, that's on the frame, right? Yep.
690
00:32:57.069 --> 00:33:00.289
Yeah. Yeah. They said it's a cosmetic.
691
00:33:01.329 --> 00:33:04.369
Yeah, exactly. And they're saying, oh yeah, we'll keep an
692
00:33:04.430 --> 00:33:04.740
eye on it.
693
00:33:04.769 --> 00:33:05.230
Don't worry.
694
00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:06.309
I don't know.
695
00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:08.289
I don't know if my Glocks.
696
00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:09.049
Have ever cracked.
697
00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:14.349
Well, MPD was one.
698
00:33:14.269 --> 00:33:16.890
Of the, I want to say one of the first
699
00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:22.289
agencies that dumped Glock en masse for the M &
700
00:33:21.829 --> 00:33:27.259
P after the whole, was it the 22, 23 nonsense
701
00:33:27.299 --> 00:33:27.619
going on?
702
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:28.839
They were having a lot of issues.
703
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.059
Right.
704
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.660
They had a lot of things well documented and they
705
00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:34.339
kind of, kind of held Glocks feet to the fire
706
00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:34.759
on that.
707
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:37.380
The 22s with the weapon lights and.
708
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.420
The feet issues.
709
00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:40.269
Yeah.
710
00:33:40.589 --> 00:33:43.809
So they, they just, uh, Smith came in with, uh,
711
00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:48.289
with the right deal for them, but hopefully it's not
712
00:33:48.329 --> 00:33:49.230
a repeat case.
713
00:33:51.730 --> 00:33:54.089
Well, I had one, I had a couple MMPs. I
714
00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:56.230
still have a shield, but I liked them. They were
715
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.420
good guns. The only issue was they were black again. Um,
716
00:34:01.150 --> 00:34:01.869
aftermarket support.
717
00:34:04.690 --> 00:34:06.970
Well, not everyone wants to turn their pistol into an MP5.
718
00:34:07.190 --> 00:34:09.550
Oh, I do.
719
00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:18.650
So are we actually taking questions or are we just... Yeah.
720
00:34:19.730 --> 00:34:21.789
If anyone has any, but apparently we don't.
721
00:34:21.809 --> 00:34:24.219
It's because this whole indefinite.
722
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:24.889
Because no one cares.
723
00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:25.260
Give up.
724
00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.639
I'm wondering if it's going to be a materials issue
725
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.429
with those cracks and materials for design flaw. It could
726
00:34:36.449 --> 00:34:38.110
be a stress riser since it's so close to where
727
00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:42.630
they have that serial number plate. I haven't handled.
728
00:34:42.389 --> 00:34:43.429
That in a while, but.
729
00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:47.190
You think it would manifest itself outside of, you know,
730
00:34:47.230 --> 00:34:50.429
a department that you'd see, you'd see probably more commercial
731
00:34:50.489 --> 00:34:53.469
or I'm sorry, more civilians complaining of that too. Cause
732
00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:56.159
I mean, you, getting complaining about everything, but maybe it
733
00:34:56.179 --> 00:34:57.119
wouldn't be as well documented.
734
00:34:57.139 --> 00:34:57.539
I don't know.
735
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:04.039
Is it a right-hand twist or a left-hand twist barrel? Perry?
736
00:35:04.059 --> 00:35:06.650
Yeah, I was about to say that.
737
00:35:07.530 --> 00:35:07.789
What?
738
00:35:08.929 --> 00:35:09.570
Terry?
739
00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:15.550
Man, I'm spitballing, but something tells me it's right-handed.
740
00:35:16.329 --> 00:35:16.969
It usually is.
741
00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:22.260
That'd be a good list to compile of what's left-handed
742
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:22.940
twist out there.
743
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.960
I have no idea. And I mean that.
744
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:33.820
There is some torquing under firing, um, and like bolt
745
00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:37.590
actions and even in ARs it's, it's, um, called a
746
00:35:37.659 --> 00:35:42.329
crush fit is what it's referred to whenever you're torquing
747
00:35:42.389 --> 00:35:44.949
on say a barrel extension, or once you're torquing the
748
00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:47.590
barrel into an action, um, you have to account for
749
00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:51.449
that crush, the crush fit, um, with your headspace when
750
00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:54.309
you set it. Um, basically have to leave enough wiggle
751
00:35:54.349 --> 00:35:58.170
rooms in there so that whenever that bullet under pressure
752
00:35:58.309 --> 00:36:01.699
is engaging a rifling, it's just like, if you were
753
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:03.800
to have like a bolt suspended on a string with
754
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.039
a nut on it and push that nut down, it's
755
00:36:07.059 --> 00:36:08.699
going to have a torque to it because it's going
756
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.539
to climb those threads. Bullet kind of has that effect
757
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.619
on the, on the rifling and the barrel, um, where
758
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:19.610
the gun's going to set back, um, like in a
759
00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:23.760
counter torque motion. I'm trying to remember what other gun
760
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:24.300
it was.
761
00:36:25.059 --> 00:36:29.889
It was the old Model 6, the 228s.
762
00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:35.710
If you let those recoil springs go too long, it
763
00:36:37.010 --> 00:36:38.489
would end up cracking the frame.
764
00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:41.150
On that side.
765
00:36:41.590 --> 00:36:45.099
And, uh, what we ended up attributing it to was
766
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.119
that the spring was decelerating things enough that it was
767
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.199
mitigating how much of that rotational torque was put on
768
00:36:54.219 --> 00:36:57.380
the barrel. And it's bearing down hard on the locking block,
769
00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:58.820
which transmits it to the frame.
770
00:36:59.780 --> 00:37:01.570
Um, I thought that was a two to nine that
771
00:37:01.610 --> 00:37:04.809
had that problem. I know our two to nines did it. Um,
772
00:37:06.570 --> 00:37:08.449
it's been a while. Um, yeah.
773
00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:12.199
I know we had some 228s that had cracked frames.
774
00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:16.630
I mean, anytime we LTI'd them, we'd take the takedown
775
00:37:16.670 --> 00:37:20.289
lever out and pop out that locking block and actually
776
00:37:20.309 --> 00:37:22.210
tap it on your bench and listen for a buzz,
777
00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:23.510
listen for cracks.
778
00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:24.949
Yeah.
779
00:37:26.510 --> 00:37:29.010
But that was an issue there. That's what we kind
780
00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:32.130
of– you know, redneck swag on it and think, you
781
00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:33.789
know what, it happens on one.
782
00:37:33.750 --> 00:37:36.420
Side, both sides are mirror identical. What else is going on?
783
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:37.860
All right, let's look at the rifle and you'll see
784
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.480
if there's some kind of how the barrel sits back
785
00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.460
on it, on the gun itself under recoil. I'm not
786
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.230
saying that's what's happening here with this, but when I,
787
00:37:47.420 --> 00:37:50.909
you know, that that's what pops up in my mind
788
00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:53.170
is something possibly look for. I mean, it could easily
789
00:37:53.210 --> 00:37:56.150
just be a design flaw in the mold. That's leaving
790
00:37:56.210 --> 00:37:59.980
a stress riser where those forces are. or just could
791
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.510
be just the, the frame flex is, uh, is actually
792
00:38:05.590 --> 00:38:08.090
focusing on that stress riser and causing them to crack.
793
00:38:09.150 --> 00:38:10.329
So do you think it will also, do you think
794
00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:11.969
it could be just a bad batch of.
795
00:38:11.949 --> 00:38:15.349
The material used to make the, the frame? Yeah.
796
00:38:15.650 --> 00:38:15.869
Yeah.
797
00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:18.780
You know, PMAC had a problem for a while with,
798
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.360
with freeze off, you know, in the cracking at the
799
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.480
upper lip and stuff.
800
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:23.320
And they, Oh yeah.
801
00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:25.599
They, they figured that out, you know, and then they
802
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:26.579
figured out why it happened.
803
00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:31.190
Um, you know, Milwaukee, you know, Stevenson has had, has
804
00:38:31.269 --> 00:38:33.449
had these pistols for a very long time, have had
805
00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:36.090
these pistols for a very long time. Are we seeing,
806
00:38:36.150 --> 00:38:37.989
you know, is it just getting to the number of
807
00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:39.380
rounds where this is going to be an issue or
808
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:42.320
was it just a, a certain block of production that
809
00:38:43.099 --> 00:38:45.139
they fucked up the, you know, the formula for the
810
00:38:45.219 --> 00:38:46.219
materials or what?
811
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:46.699
So.
812
00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:47.480
Yeah.
813
00:38:47.739 --> 00:38:51.469
And I'm pretty sure they don't shoot those, those frames
814
00:38:51.510 --> 00:38:56.050
in the house. Um, I never saw their injection molding
815
00:38:56.070 --> 00:38:59.909
there and I spent almost two weeks at that plant. Um,
816
00:39:01.349 --> 00:39:04.829
and so I, it can be out of their hands
817
00:39:05.070 --> 00:39:10.280
how that came up. Uh, the going back to the SIGs, uh,
818
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.119
there's another attribute to a SIG, um, that it's always there.
819
00:39:15.820 --> 00:39:21.389
And I chalk it up under, it's not lapping, but it, it,
820
00:39:22.469 --> 00:39:25.579
I push it to that side of the table. It's
821
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.690
aware to a point. It's like the gun breaking in.
822
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.239
But if you were to take the right grip panel
823
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.760
off of those SIGs, especially when it's been shot, there's
824
00:39:37.949 --> 00:39:40.489
a shoulder there. There's a lug in the upper right
825
00:39:40.510 --> 00:39:40.869
as you're.
826
00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:43.070
Looking at the gun. There's a lug towards the rear.
827
00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:46.309
It's got that sear pin that actually also works as
828
00:39:46.349 --> 00:39:51.710
a track guide for that trigger bar. well underneath there
829
00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:54.250
in a little recess there's a little pocket with a
830
00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:58.039
shoulder to it and on these hard shot guns it'd
831
00:39:58.059 --> 00:39:59.940
be all shiny and galled up and just a big
832
00:40:00.099 --> 00:40:03.739
ding right there in the frame and we just keep
833
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.579
an eye on them and it never propagated I mean
834
00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:09.380
it would show up and then it wouldn't get worse
835
00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:14.929
on these guns and looking at the gun and how
836
00:40:14.949 --> 00:40:22.190
it functions what I figured out um and saw it
837
00:40:22.210 --> 00:40:26.409
as being the culprit you know you can't let off
838
00:40:26.429 --> 00:40:28.869
the trigger fast enough right so whenever you pull that
839
00:40:28.909 --> 00:40:30.670
gun you pull that trigger to the rear the gun
840
00:40:30.710 --> 00:40:34.510
goes off everything's in motion right well if you look
841
00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:36.829
forward on the top edge top surface of that trigger
842
00:40:36.869 --> 00:40:42.570
bar you have a hemispherical radius bump and that's the
843
00:40:42.610 --> 00:40:46.139
disconnector bump right that works off the bottom slide bottom
844
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.280
of the slide itself on that right side that's got
845
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:51.219
a uh it's got a little track for it. And
846
00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:54.719
whenever it's in battery, it's got a little half moon,
847
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.900
whatever hemispherical recess that that trigger bar can be up
848
00:41:00.019 --> 00:41:02.780
and it holds everything on it so that the little
849
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.619
arm can trip the sear and fire the gun. And
850
00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:08.000
it comes out, so when you fire the gun, that
851
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.409
bump is actually up in that disconnect notch. You fire it,
852
00:41:13.409 --> 00:41:15.489
you're holding it up in that position while it's got
853
00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:21.119
that trigger bar spring holding it up, spring tension. As
854
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.659
a slide travels faster than you let off the trigger,
855
00:41:25.099 --> 00:41:27.619
it comes rearward. It ramps off of that recess and
856
00:41:27.699 --> 00:41:32.139
throws it down. And it pecks on that recess. It's
857
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.159
actually not on the top. It's on the bottom of
858
00:41:34.179 --> 00:41:37.489
the frame on the side of the magwell. And it'll
859
00:41:37.659 --> 00:41:39.789
sit there and just peck at it until it creates
860
00:41:39.849 --> 00:41:42.949
room for itself to move freely. And then it pops
861
00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:47.769
back up. up in a split second. Well, it's, you
862
00:41:47.789 --> 00:41:50.230
could call it demons of mass production or whatever. It's
863
00:41:50.250 --> 00:41:51.889
those little things that they don't think about in the
864
00:41:51.929 --> 00:41:55.110
design that they never go back and say, hey, let's
865
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.000
remove this, put a fillet here so it doesn't cause
866
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.199
an issue. The SIG just never corrected it. But if
867
00:42:01.219 --> 00:42:04.599
you look at any SIG that's been shot, you'll see
868
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.639
that same thing there. Going back to the M & P,
869
00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:13.449
these little cracks are developing. it might just need a
870
00:42:13.469 --> 00:42:15.469
little bit of stress relief right there and it's creating
871
00:42:15.489 --> 00:42:20.750
it itself. Um, really that frame is not designed to
872
00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:26.309
take any real stress. It's all that frame insert, you know, um, but.
873
00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:29.489
Maybe they just need to give it a little wiggle room.
874
00:42:30.789 --> 00:42:31.250
Who knows?
875
00:42:31.750 --> 00:42:35.050
That's a gunsmith term.
876
00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:39.440
So we have a question from, um, the locker room, uh,
877
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.219
What local pistol trainers would be suggested in Utah?
878
00:42:44.420 --> 00:42:51.920
Matt, I guess that's for you. Me? Yeah, you, besides you.
879
00:42:56.409 --> 00:43:00.210
That is a fine question. Okay, next question.
880
00:43:00.730 --> 00:43:04.429
Okay, the next question is, somebody said he had to
881
00:43:04.469 --> 00:43:07.590
go to bed, but they wanted to talk about Chad's
882
00:43:07.630 --> 00:43:08.170
beautiful hair.
883
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:16.969
That's not awkward. Just saying, man. Anything Chad wants to
884
00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:19.130
talk about with SIGs?
885
00:43:23.730 --> 00:43:27.449
Actually, I have one. This is based on a discussion
886
00:43:27.550 --> 00:43:32.840
in the primary and secondary group itself. Why don't we
887
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:38.840
encourage people to holster a double-action, single-action pistol with a
888
00:43:38.860 --> 00:43:39.280
hammer back?
889
00:43:43.469 --> 00:43:47.369
Yeah, that was my morning right there. Is that directed
890
00:43:47.389 --> 00:43:47.650
at me?
891
00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:49.050
Yeah.
892
00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:50.110
Oh, sure.
893
00:43:51.010 --> 00:43:58.409
We don't because it's generally considered unsafe. I was breaking
894
00:43:58.429 --> 00:44:00.610
it down for a guy that was very involved in
895
00:44:00.630 --> 00:44:09.969
that discussion and PM and in its simplest terms, Yeah,
896
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:12.480
it's a lighter trigger pull, but is it lighter than
897
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:16.320
say a Glock.
898
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:18.739
Trigger pull?
899
00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:22.599
Well, apples to oranges, they come out about the same,
900
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:25.320
you know, anywhere four to five pounds, whatever, depending on
901
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:28.409
what your setup is. Then with the Glock, how long
902
00:44:28.429 --> 00:44:34.369
you've been shooting it. So you have the same relative weight,
903
00:44:34.389 --> 00:44:38.030
let's call it four pounds. Well, you just can't consider
904
00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:40.389
the trigger pull weight. You have to consider the travel
905
00:44:40.489 --> 00:44:43.619
and the actual design of the sear, what functions as
906
00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:45.400
a sear and how it actually truly releases.
907
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.760
And how I compared it, what I compared it to was.
908
00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:57.599
Take something physical, like something you exert at, you know,
909
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.639
I can just pick up a, a four pound weight
910
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.000
and set it down, then how many calories did I burn?
911
00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:07.119
How much did I have to exert myself? If I
912
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.849
pick up a four pound weight and then walk 100
913
00:45:09.849 --> 00:45:13.230
yards and set it back down, that one exerted more,
914
00:45:13.449 --> 00:45:28.469
required more calories, more exertion. The Glock trigger mechanism, there
915
00:45:28.590 --> 00:45:30.449
is no pre-travel stage.
916
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.099
If there is, it's just a scotch. I mean, it's
917
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:33.659
just enough.
918
00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:35.420
They just left it in there or they put it
919
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.539
in there just so you can actually place your finger
920
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.260
on the trigger without actuating the trigger. From that point
921
00:45:44.050 --> 00:45:48.130
to firing, you are pressing through four and a half,
922
00:45:48.489 --> 00:45:51.190
five and a half, New York, 40 and a half
923
00:45:51.289 --> 00:45:55.429
pounds until it releases. And you get a slight bit
924
00:45:55.449 --> 00:45:57.510
of tension at the end that we call the wall.
925
00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:00.070
But that's right as you hit the back of that
926
00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:04.820
connector and it forces you with that little gutter, um, to,
927
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.900
to drop the cruciform out of engagement with that striker sear. Um,
928
00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:14.929
so you're pushing that weight, four pounds, whatever for about
929
00:46:15.050 --> 00:46:17.809
three eighths of an inch or whatever it is, right? It's,
930
00:46:17.929 --> 00:46:22.190
it's pretty distinct trigger travel and it's underweight under resistance
931
00:46:22.210 --> 00:46:26.489
the whole time. You go to a single action trigger, uh, uh,
932
00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:29.889
a hammer fired gun, you're firing, you're actually tripping a
933
00:46:31.909 --> 00:46:36.530
individual sear that has a stoned precision stoned engagement surface
934
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.719
that meets with the hammer sear and they are set.
935
00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:44.079
With a should be with a slightly.
936
00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:47.619
Positive rake meaning you have two surfaces that meet up
937
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:51.440
they're both swinging on their same on their own varying
938
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.530
axis swinging their own different arcs and so depending on
939
00:46:55.630 --> 00:47:00.150
which way you have it set if you know my
940
00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:03.909
time tattoo is traveling up and my watch arm is
941
00:47:03.949 --> 00:47:04.610
traveling down.
942
00:47:05.230 --> 00:47:07.150
If I have a.
943
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:14.699
Negative sear engagement like this, tattoo arm travels up and
944
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.599
my watch arm travels down. The second either of them
945
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.940
starts to move, guess what? I've lost sear engagement and
946
00:47:20.980 --> 00:47:25.900
something's firing. Neutral is where they completely just drag parallel
947
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:33.420
until they actually physically clear. Positive engagement is towards the
948
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:34.860
arm moving up here, right?
949
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.400
And as I travel it up, it actually ensures that
950
00:47:38.420 --> 00:47:40.300
I have sear engagement.
951
00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:48.289
Until that mechanical release at that timed, designed location for
952
00:47:48.329 --> 00:47:55.260
sear release, right? Firearms theory is, general, with a sear release,
953
00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.719
you want slightly positive engagement. And that gives you wiggle room, bumps, jars,
954
00:48:01.059 --> 00:48:05.429
high order detonation over here, whatever, to ensure that you
955
00:48:05.469 --> 00:48:08.590
maintain sear engagement, you don't have a premature hammer release.
956
00:48:11.389 --> 00:48:13.969
All that being said, so you had the sear release
957
00:48:13.989 --> 00:48:14.909
set up in 1911.
958
00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:21.860
You have a pre-travel stage, And you hit that wall, right?
959
00:48:21.980 --> 00:48:25.440
All you're doing is you're taking out spring tension off
960
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.429
that main spring in the mainstream housing, that little three-legged spring.
961
00:48:29.489 --> 00:48:33.369
It's that middle spring giving you that tension. You're taking
962
00:48:33.409 --> 00:48:36.849
out that spring tension. Now it becomes mechanical, right?
963
00:48:38.369 --> 00:48:41.039
So you don't have that four pounds, right?
964
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.239
All that four pounds is, the vast majority of that
965
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:49.940
four pounds is set within that mechanical, slightly positive sear
966
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:50.800
engagement angle.
967
00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:56.849
Much less travel, and you're hitting.
968
00:48:56.590 --> 00:48:58.309
That wall and breaking the shot.
969
00:49:00.809 --> 00:49:06.900
So which is safer, which isn't? Well, in my opinion.
970
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:08.800
Knowing what I.
971
00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:12.579
Know and acknowledging that I don't know everything. If I
972
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.250
look at something that.
973
00:49:13.489 --> 00:49:14.409
You have to.
974
00:49:15.889 --> 00:49:20.630
Maintain consistent four pound pressure for a longer distance, as
975
00:49:20.690 --> 00:49:23.730
opposed to shorter distance travel i mean it's differences like
976
00:49:23.769 --> 00:49:29.010
what three-eighths of an inch trigger travel to technically about
977
00:49:29.179 --> 00:49:33.079
maybe a 16th of an inch any other which one
978
00:49:33.099 --> 00:49:36.719
do you think would be safer for carrying a holster
979
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:43.469
whenever you're considering um When you re-holster a full-size service weapon,
980
00:49:44.889 --> 00:49:47.130
which even though this is technically a compact, but whatever,
981
00:49:49.349 --> 00:49:51.269
four and a half, five inch, six inch with a
982
00:49:51.309 --> 00:49:55.869
light on it, the gun is traveling that distance into
983
00:49:55.889 --> 00:49:59.469
the holster every time you re-holster and your actual trigger
984
00:49:59.489 --> 00:50:05.869
stroke to fire it is infinitesimal. So give yourself a
985
00:50:05.889 --> 00:50:07.630
longer trigger point and go back to the holster and
986
00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:11.969
because anything rubbing on the side of that trigger can
987
00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:16.989
actuate it. Another thing about the safeties on it, this
988
00:50:17.050 --> 00:50:21.670
passive safety on the trigger, it has to actually get 50%,
989
00:50:21.670 --> 00:50:23.889
whatever it is, has to be 50% across that trigger
990
00:50:23.929 --> 00:50:27.679
face to disengage that safety before even going to that
991
00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:31.840
four pound, five and a half pound, eight, 14, whatever
992
00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:38.159
pound trigger press, right? Other guns like a SIG, those double-action,
993
00:50:38.179 --> 00:50:40.559
single-action guns have larger.
994
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.199
Trigger guards, bigger berettas.
995
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.550
That's because that double-action pull, that trigger has to reset
996
00:50:49.650 --> 00:50:53.570
real far out there to give it enough swing to
997
00:50:53.650 --> 00:50:58.969
actually sufficiently cock that hammer and fire it. So that's
998
00:50:59.090 --> 00:51:03.139
more room. with your trigger reset at single action further back.
999
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.349
So that's a larger gap in there with nothing in
1000
00:51:05.389 --> 00:51:08.639
there preventing that trigger from movement if it contacts it.
1001
00:51:09.570 --> 00:51:12.289
So it can be partial contact with a large weapon,
1002
00:51:12.309 --> 00:51:15.409
a large service size weapon going into that holster. And
1003
00:51:15.449 --> 00:51:18.050
if it's like an old floppy ass pancake, you know,
1004
00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:21.019
leather holster, or if it's a piece of jacket or shirt,
1005
00:51:22.179 --> 00:51:24.780
or if you're just off at off axis and you
1006
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.159
somehow scuffed the side of that trigger against the holster,
1007
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:31.639
you have, a fraction of a fraction of an inch
1008
00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:35.619
on a trigger that has nothing mechanical preventing its rearward
1009
00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:43.920
movement without a complete trigger wrap. You know, it's a
1010
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.199
different way of pulling a pin on a hand grenade,
1011
00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:49.360
popping the spoon and throwing it, or just pulling a
1012
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.099
pin on the grenade and just throwing it, you know,
1013
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:54.619
which is going to be safer. Well, as long as
1014
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.480
you're holding it, the one with the spoon is safer.
1015
00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:59.739
I don't know if that's a great analogy or not, but...
1016
00:52:00.579 --> 00:52:02.639
That's basically what I told the guy on PMs today.
1017
00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:04.079
It's been a few hours.
1018
00:52:04.949 --> 00:52:08.849
And I really think your verbal explanation just now provided
1019
00:52:09.110 --> 00:52:13.349
way more depth. As a matter of fact, there are
1020
00:52:13.369 --> 00:52:16.510
a couple chats going on simultaneously and it is appreciated.
1021
00:52:16.530 --> 00:52:18.949
That was good stuff. As a matter of fact, don't
1022
00:52:18.989 --> 00:52:21.820
be surprised if you just see that one segment posted
1023
00:52:21.860 --> 00:52:25.800
by itself because that was cool. Oh, that's great. That's
1024
00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:26.800
Chad for you.
1025
00:52:28.349 --> 00:52:31.170
The thing is like in written, in written form, first
1026
00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:34.289
of all, I have a learning disability, yo, like I
1027
00:52:34.309 --> 00:52:38.449
got dysgraphia. So written expression for me is like my kryptonite,
1028
00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.030
you know, being able to type stuff in the modern
1029
00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:41.949
age is great.
1030
00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:44.630
High school was hell. Cause I couldn't do that.
1031
00:52:45.309 --> 00:52:48.719
I still miss things, you know, like I miss the
1032
00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:51.420
whole things like verbs and nouns and shit at times.
1033
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:56.739
And so, and even some hanging modifiers. So, you know,
1034
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.559
Full disclosure, cut me some slack on the.
1035
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:01.300
Written form at times.
1036
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.820
I try to give it due diligence because what's out
1037
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.210
there can't be called back. At the same time, those
1038
00:53:08.230 --> 00:53:11.389
progressions just go so fast that all that comes out
1039
00:53:11.449 --> 00:53:13.989
when I go to type is like, fuck, this is stupid.
1040
00:53:14.090 --> 00:53:15.070
You know, it's.
1041
00:53:15.010 --> 00:53:18.739
Like just everybody time out. Let me lock this until
1042
00:53:18.780 --> 00:53:19.440
I can. Yep.
1043
00:53:20.619 --> 00:53:23.159
Spell check something and then i'm going to unlock it post.
1044
00:53:23.019 --> 00:53:25.699
It real quick you know um and i'm not the
1045
00:53:25.780 --> 00:53:28.030
end all be all of gun knowledge i got it
1046
00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:29.909
there's dudes out there putting out good info there's a
1047
00:53:29.909 --> 00:53:37.150
lot of dudes but not questionable info but you.
1048
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.380
Know that whenever you go dudes are trying to think
1049
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:42.309
of like something as just a ttp And then they
1050
00:53:42.329 --> 00:53:45.619
want justification for that. There's a little bit of confirmation bias. Yeah, well,
1051
00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:48.179
tell me why scientifically why this is a bad idea.
1052
00:53:48.219 --> 00:53:49.639
And I'm just like, dude.
1053
00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:53.940
Well, sometimes people are seeking that out because they've encountered
1054
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.199
someone arguing that and.
1055
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:56.460
You just don't have an answer.
1056
00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:02.860
Yeah, it's– You know, my frustration is that the simplest
1057
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.440
explanation is like, all right, I don't care if you're
1058
00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:10.030
in a 1,000-man department or a 100-man department or a
1059
00:54:10.030 --> 00:54:16.269
30-man department. If you're encountering this kind of debate, just
1060
00:54:16.329 --> 00:54:22.429
like ammo selection, holster selection, optic selection, any other firearms-related
1061
00:54:22.530 --> 00:54:27.789
stuff that goes into an SOP– anytime that you can't
1062
00:54:27.829 --> 00:54:31.719
handle it in-house, why not default to the powers that be,
1063
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.280
the ones that have the budgets to do the testing,
1064
00:54:35.739 --> 00:54:40.400
that have the scientists on payroll, like the FBI, that
1065
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.989
have the gun knowledge to really test stuff out, or
1066
00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:47.869
at least have the channels to collect the data from
1067
00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:51.829
across the country and to come to a really rational,
1068
00:54:51.969 --> 00:54:57.070
scientific conclusion methodology, just being able to really supplement it
1069
00:54:57.130 --> 00:55:00.849
down and get to the brass tacks. And I used
1070
00:55:00.869 --> 00:55:03.230
a lot of analogies in one statement.
1071
00:55:02.909 --> 00:55:06.889
There, and I realized that.
1072
00:55:09.579 --> 00:55:13.340
Those guys trying to do that, my simplest answer is like, listen, dude,
1073
00:55:14.059 --> 00:55:18.460
any major department that is worth a shit strictly forbids
1074
00:55:18.860 --> 00:55:25.860
holstering a a double single action pistol in single action.
1075
00:55:26.489 --> 00:55:30.980
They have found that it is unsafe. It's their policies
1076
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:31.539
to do that.
1077
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:32.500
That would be a clue.
1078
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.679
Maybe you should contact them and ask them why or
1079
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:37.219
whatever you want to take from that.
1080
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:38.659
If you take it at face value, you can go
1081
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:39.409
deeper with it.
1082
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.179
But that's as simple as like, dude, anybody that knows
1083
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.800
what they're doing does not do this. Now, as a
1084
00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:49.280
firearms instructor, the second we see somebody reholstering either an
1085
00:55:49.420 --> 00:55:54.139
unsafed single action 1911 or you know high power whatever
1086
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:58.639
else or the double single without a decock that's a
1087
00:55:59.460 --> 00:56:02.489
decock that slowly remove it from the holster decock now
1088
00:56:02.510 --> 00:56:06.849
re-holster um it's kind of like one of those knowns
1089
00:56:07.090 --> 00:56:10.130
but not widely broadcast things because there's so many other
1090
00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:13.730
safety issues out there um that we just kind of
1091
00:56:13.829 --> 00:56:17.090
handle it on site uh but yeah you go to
1092
00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:21.389
any shooting school Any shooting school that allows you to
1093
00:56:21.469 --> 00:56:25.269
do that, they are just clown shoes.
1094
00:56:25.429 --> 00:56:27.630
People just want to be pedantic.
1095
00:56:29.710 --> 00:56:30.090
There's that.
1096
00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:31.110
Why shouldn't I do this?
1097
00:56:31.469 --> 00:56:34.440
I haven't shot myself in the leg yet. Hey, Chad.
1098
00:56:39.670 --> 00:56:40.969
Can you go back to minute five?
1099
00:56:41.030 --> 00:56:45.239
I missed part of that and just repeat that for me.
1100
00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:49.380
Sure. If you don't have access to those departments or
1101
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.099
those other places, there is another place you can go
1102
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:51.519
to ask.
1103
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:53.039
Where's that, Matt?
1104
00:56:53.260 --> 00:56:56.239
It's called primary and secondary. Or just chat.
1105
00:56:59.030 --> 00:56:59.929
I'm such a meanie.
1106
00:57:00.610 --> 00:57:02.130
You are. No, you're not.
1107
00:57:03.809 --> 00:57:06.570
Not everybody hates you, Chad. Some people love you.
1108
00:57:09.349 --> 00:57:11.789
And it's the people that count that do, too, which
1109
00:57:11.849 --> 00:57:16.409
is assuring. You know, today I didn't really have shit
1110
00:57:16.429 --> 00:57:17.349
to do because my wife left.
1111
00:57:17.369 --> 00:57:19.670
I was like, yeah. She's like, hey, why don't you
1112
00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:23.300
go plant these flowers? I'm like, yeah, I'll get on it.
1113
00:57:23.550 --> 00:57:25.469
And so I came inside and I just started watching
1114
00:57:25.510 --> 00:57:27.119
old modcasts. And it was awesome.
1115
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.119
I must have watched six hours of those things today.
1116
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.019
I got to run rampant.
1117
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.480
You what? What'd you say again? Sorry, I talked over you.
1118
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:46.460
No, repeat what you said, Steve. Oh, I was just saying, yeah,
1119
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.460
I'm busy. I can't plant flowers. I've got to argue
1120
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:51.360
on the internet. I was going to do something productive, sweetie.
1121
00:57:51.610 --> 00:57:51.889
Sorry.
1122
00:57:53.409 --> 00:57:55.210
That's usually my morning.
1123
00:57:55.389 --> 00:57:59.909
It's like until I get my bowels working in about
1124
00:57:59.909 --> 00:58:05.050
30 minutes after that, you know, really my grotesque spelling
1125
00:58:05.150 --> 00:58:13.239
and grammatical abominations are or early morning when i haven't
1126
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.719
even you know put in my contacts yet and i
1127
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.360
might or might not have my first dip or coffee so.
1128
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.079
This explains chat this morning when i woke up and
1129
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.159
read everything that was going on what the hell's going
1130
00:58:24.219 --> 00:58:27.480
on here oh it's just that this morning i think.
1131
00:58:27.340 --> 00:58:32.960
So that was yesterday dude that's just show i'm pretty
1132
00:58:32.980 --> 00:58:34.880
sure this i don't know it's.
1133
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.760
Been a long time everybody's just in a bad mood
1134
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.710
lately It's all Steve's fault because he doesn't take anything seriously.
1135
00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:45.050
Well, here's what I think about that thing yesterday.
1136
00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:49.389
What I said in chat. Just so the world's watching.
1137
00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:50.679
The world is watching.
1138
00:58:52.090 --> 00:58:55.679
Moderators don't always agree.
1139
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:57.340
Oh, no.
1140
00:58:58.139 --> 00:58:58.840
Groupthink.
1141
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.980
Yeah, and we get accused all the time.
1142
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:05.179
That's why maybe I seem like more cantankerous lately is.
1143
00:59:05.139 --> 00:59:07.139
Because we've been accused so much of.
1144
00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:11.179
You know, high thinking group think and all these other
1145
00:59:11.300 --> 00:59:17.539
socialist ass fucking demagoguery terms that just try to belittle
1146
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.719
what we try to do here. But we get accused
1147
00:59:20.739 --> 00:59:23.190
of that a lot. And I think where a lot
1148
00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:25.650
of that stems from is like, you know, we're team
1149
00:59:25.690 --> 00:59:29.309
players here and we come from military and law enforcement
1150
00:59:29.329 --> 00:59:33.130
where there is a hierarchy rank structure beyond just band
1151
00:59:33.150 --> 00:59:35.809
of brothers. It's like, you know, hey, praise in public,
1152
00:59:36.889 --> 00:59:40.659
you know, persecute whatever in private. You know, you don't
1153
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.860
want to talk down the other instructors in front of
1154
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:43.539
the students and.
1155
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:45.320
That and that whole deal. There's a time and a
1156
00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:45.900
place for that.
1157
00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:50.139
And where that's intended to be applied, that is the
1158
00:59:50.179 --> 00:59:51.019
right way to do it.
1159
00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:54.960
But whenever it's an open discussion.
1160
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.639
And you have two, three moderators in there, if one
1161
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.039
moderator says something and the rest of us shut up,
1162
01:00:02.780 --> 01:00:05.599
if he's wrong, not saying anybody was wrong that day,
1163
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:10.159
but if, if just say he was wrong or dead
1164
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.909
or inaccurate, and they were just quiet about it for
1165
01:00:14.949 --> 01:00:17.190
the sole purpose of trying to put up a false
1166
01:00:17.210 --> 01:00:18.409
front of like unity and.
1167
01:00:20.030 --> 01:00:22.429
That's a disservice. It's a fucking line. It's politics.
1168
01:00:23.750 --> 01:00:28.170
You know, I, in light of world events, you know what,
1169
01:00:28.369 --> 01:00:31.750
I can refuse to have a public opinion and a
1170
01:00:31.809 --> 01:00:36.250
private opinion that don't always meet, like, especially about this stuff.
1171
01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:39.550
You know, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not
1172
01:00:39.570 --> 01:00:41.269
going to jump into every frame, just air my two
1173
01:00:41.289 --> 01:00:43.309
cents on something. But if it's something that I, that
1174
01:00:43.349 --> 01:00:45.469
I have a pretty good death grip on, I'm going
1175
01:00:45.489 --> 01:00:47.869
to sound off about it. And it's not because he's
1176
01:00:47.889 --> 01:00:50.989
an idiot or I just don't like him or I
1177
01:00:51.070 --> 01:00:54.550
don't know him or anything. It's like, no dude, you know,
1178
01:00:54.710 --> 01:00:57.250
we're having an open discussion here. You know, think of
1179
01:00:57.289 --> 01:00:58.510
it from the reader's point of view.
1180
01:00:58.829 --> 01:00:59.210
Yeah.
1181
01:00:59.289 --> 01:01:01.610
Some might see it as, you know, there's disharmony in the.
1182
01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:07.099
Household, but in reality, it's just like being able to.
1183
01:01:07.099 --> 01:01:10.960
Go to a planning session in a team room and
1184
01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:13.860
you're just a fan of And you get that one day,
1185
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.519
you know, go with your dad to work and you
1186
01:01:15.539 --> 01:01:17.639
get to see all the dudes that you like idolize
1187
01:01:17.659 --> 01:01:18.800
your whole life or whatever.
1188
01:01:19.460 --> 01:01:22.469
And you're busted chops, dude. And they're not pulling punches.
1189
01:01:22.809 --> 01:01:24.489
And it's like, you're seeing behind the scenes and you're
1190
01:01:24.510 --> 01:01:26.130
kind of getting to sit at the big kids table.
1191
01:01:26.150 --> 01:01:29.469
I mean, there's a better way to say that. I know,
1192
01:01:29.570 --> 01:01:36.449
but you know, that's the way the average reader member
1193
01:01:36.860 --> 01:01:40.679
follower should take it as in my opinion is that, Hey,
1194
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.980
You know, we're sitting around pow-wowing about this, murder boarding everything,
1195
01:01:46.900 --> 01:01:50.320
and sometimes it happens real time. We just don't, like,
1196
01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:52.880
take a training time out and go back to a
1197
01:01:52.940 --> 01:01:54.840
private chat and say, hey, what's our.
1198
01:01:54.820 --> 01:01:56.460
Consensus opinion about this?
1199
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:01.519
You know, that's canned, that's contrived, and that.
1200
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.119
Is what we think. Yeah.
1201
01:02:04.530 --> 01:02:07.329
For all of us to agree, so if Chad were
1202
01:02:07.349 --> 01:02:11.380
to say, if he were talking about unsafe holstering, on
1203
01:02:11.429 --> 01:02:15.719
single action. And I disagreed, but in order to keep
1204
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.639
everything on the open or everything nice and, and pleasant,
1205
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.480
I agree. That's group think we don't do that. If
1206
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:24.579
someone says something out of line, Oh, I've, I've had
1207
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:26.960
to delete stuff from Roland saying, dude, no.
1208
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:33.659
Go ahead, Matt.
1209
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:35.800
Okay.
1210
01:02:36.139 --> 01:02:39.420
One last thing Duke told me, which completely relates to
1211
01:02:39.460 --> 01:02:43.269
what you're talking about, Chad, There was a patch that
1212
01:02:43.730 --> 01:02:46.630
Duke was telling me about, and it was something like,
1213
01:02:46.849 --> 01:02:49.150
we hate each other, but we hate you even more,
1214
01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:50.070
or something like that.
1215
01:02:52.590 --> 01:02:53.199
That's pretty good.
1216
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:57.199
I thought you were going to say quoted Proverbs or something,
1217
01:02:57.219 --> 01:03:00.519
you know, sharpen steel, sharpen iron.
1218
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:03.039
Yeah.
1219
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.019
You know, going back to working at FTU with Jake
1220
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.280
Weese and bunch of other like really good dudes um
1221
01:03:11.619 --> 01:03:13.119
and we had all types and a lot of dudes
1222
01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:15.940
probably hate me and a lot of them still love
1223
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:17.719
me and you know you just get that kind of
1224
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:19.980
dynamic in a bunch of environment with a bunch of
1225
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:24.800
alphas but we murder boarded everything man and like there
1226
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.699
were very few times i didn't go to work and
1227
01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:29.309
at some point say hey i know this is probably
1228
01:03:29.329 --> 01:03:33.469
a dumb idea but what about this and i'd say
1229
01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:36.869
that expecting to get lambasted and sometimes i did other
1230
01:03:36.889 --> 01:03:39.489
times like you know what you got something there Or,
1231
01:03:39.510 --> 01:03:42.659
you know, we tried this back at Quantico years back
1232
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.199
or over at FBI Academy, we did it this way
1233
01:03:45.219 --> 01:03:47.179
and this is why, or, you.
1234
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.099
Know, this, that, and the other. You know, that's how
1235
01:03:52.139 --> 01:03:53.440
you grow. That's how you learn.
1236
01:03:53.500 --> 01:03:56.059
It's, you know, bouncing ideas off of each other without
1237
01:03:56.260 --> 01:03:56.760
fear of.
1238
01:03:59.139 --> 01:04:00.159
Failure, really.
1239
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.360
You know, it's not about like trying to save face
1240
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.119
in front of your peers. It's about getting better and
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01:04:06.139 --> 01:04:09.219
learning from them and, trying to teach them something at
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01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:12.760
the same time, nothing worse in that kind of environment.
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01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:17.429
Whenever you have a mastery of the knowledge, verifiable master
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01:04:17.449 --> 01:04:20.329
of the knowledge and experience the techniques to do something right.
1245
01:04:20.809 --> 01:04:24.030
And you have a coworker that refuses to listen to
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01:04:24.070 --> 01:04:24.530
you about it.
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01:04:25.829 --> 01:04:28.170
And it's just like, it's insulting. You know, it's like,
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01:04:28.210 --> 01:04:31.360
come on, man. If you know stuff that I don't know.
1249
01:04:31.659 --> 01:04:35.380
And if I was going to try to do something.
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01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.829
I would come to you and ask you, And if
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01:04:37.869 --> 01:04:40.070
you sat here and watched me struggle with something, if
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01:04:40.110 --> 01:04:46.010
you didn't say something and offer advice, I'd be pissed
1253
01:04:46.389 --> 01:04:46.920
because you're just.
1254
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:47.539
Letting me struggle.
1255
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:52.880
You're not freely sharing your experience. What I learned, it
1256
01:04:53.179 --> 01:04:55.340
was through blood, sweat, tears, a lot of freaking money.
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01:04:56.340 --> 01:04:59.550
And I try to get that as freely as I can.
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01:05:00.570 --> 01:05:03.340
As freely as I can because– I've already paid to
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01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:04.400
learn it. I'm not going to charge you to.
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01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:06.079
Learn it from me. Like, here you go.
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01:05:06.460 --> 01:05:07.800
Now there are a lot of things that I won't
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01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.909
do for sheer liability reasons and fact of, you know,
1263
01:05:10.949 --> 01:05:11.690
come on, dude, I got to.
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01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:12.329
Make a living too.
1265
01:05:12.409 --> 01:05:18.230
But we recently had, I recently posted something that was
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01:05:18.670 --> 01:05:21.650
very unpopular, but it's because the moderators, we all had
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01:05:21.670 --> 01:05:23.110
a powwow and said, what are we going to do
1268
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.380
about this? Well, let's post it. Let's see what happens.
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01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.820
Let's see what people say. Cause we were all clueless.
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01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:29.079
Like, what's this about?
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01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:29.460
We don't know.
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01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:34.070
Post and find out what people have to say. Ultimately,
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01:05:34.090 --> 01:05:37.530
it was a very unpopular thread, but it answered some questions.
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01:05:39.230 --> 01:05:41.449
Was that about cussing on Mod Chat? No.
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01:05:42.010 --> 01:05:42.110
Oh.
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01:05:43.789 --> 01:05:46.050
No, this was recent. No, that was like a year ago.
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01:05:46.130 --> 01:05:46.869
I watched that.
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01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:48.929
Modcast, or it was a Modcast right after all that
1279
01:05:48.969 --> 01:05:52.949
went down today, and it was really funny. I was laughing. Because, like,
1280
01:05:52.989 --> 01:05:55.010
the second you said watch our language, I dropped an
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01:05:55.130 --> 01:05:57.050
F-bomb within, like, five seconds.
1282
01:06:00.329 --> 01:06:02.250
And then Roland was like, F-bomb.
1283
01:06:02.269 --> 01:06:02.610
F-bomb, F-bomb.
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01:06:04.309 --> 01:06:08.789
Well, you know, if you look up our podcast on iTunes,
1285
01:06:09.210 --> 01:06:11.789
we have rank, we have reviews on there. And one
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01:06:11.809 --> 01:06:14.260
of them is, it says something to that effect that
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01:06:14.739 --> 01:06:17.820
that's all we say. I personally don't. I think I've
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01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.340
only said drop the F-bomb twice and they were both
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01:06:20.380 --> 01:06:22.710
at Roland because I had to repeat myself.
1290
01:06:23.269 --> 01:06:24.050
Yeah.
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01:06:28.570 --> 01:06:30.579
Okay, so if you guys already have another question, I
1292
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.280
think we have a really good panel for this specific question.
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01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:40.199
It's concerning training. And Mike brought it to my attention. Basically,
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01:06:40.340 --> 01:06:45.320
it centers on local trainers versus regional trainers. The big
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01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.409
names versus the smaller names. How do you go about
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01:06:48.510 --> 01:06:51.190
figuring out your needs? How do you figure out who
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01:06:51.210 --> 01:06:57.750
to go to? I guess I'll start.
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01:06:58.630 --> 01:06:58.889
Oh, okay.
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01:06:59.489 --> 01:07:03.179
I was trying to figure out how to mute my microphone.
1300
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.219
So with my law enforcement background, a good majority of
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01:07:08.300 --> 01:07:11.099
my training, at least for the first 10 years of
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01:07:11.139 --> 01:07:14.000
law enforcement, it was completely surrounded by everything that was
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01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:18.389
provided for me. Everything was through the state. It was
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01:07:18.449 --> 01:07:22.670
through my department. It was through neighboring departments. So I
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01:07:22.710 --> 01:07:25.309
was pretty much handed everything. So I didn't really have
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01:07:25.329 --> 01:07:28.880
to do much searching. after I went through, I think
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01:07:28.889 --> 01:07:33.079
my first Pat Rogers course, I realized police training by
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01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.940
itself is insufficient. I need to go above and beyond.
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01:07:36.019 --> 01:07:41.530
And so at that point I started seeking out other, other, uh, instructors. Um,
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01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:46.329
but unfortunately in my immediate vicinity, I didn't find anyone
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01:07:46.349 --> 01:07:51.030
that was meeting what, what my needs were personally. Ultimately I, I,
1312
01:07:52.010 --> 01:07:54.710
was fortunate to link up with some really good instructors.
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01:07:54.730 --> 01:07:56.889
There was some travel involved. Some came to me, but
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01:07:56.909 --> 01:08:01.889
I can't even fathom not having a background or not
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01:08:01.929 --> 01:08:05.909
having the connections to get the training I want and
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01:08:05.969 --> 01:08:10.369
have to sift through random people and how to, how
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01:08:10.409 --> 01:08:12.679
to figure out who's who and who's, who's going to
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01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:16.760
be providing me with the results I want. I, and
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01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:20.939
I think Terry and I were talking about the organization
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01:08:20.979 --> 01:08:25.789
he works with He's always looking for good instructors with that.
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01:08:29.649 --> 01:08:30.729
Yeah, ILFE?
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01:08:31.289 --> 01:08:31.569
Yeah.
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01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:37.069
Did I hear somebody say that? Yeah, we're still growing it.
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01:08:37.069 --> 01:08:40.460
The new president, he wants us to grow it to
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01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:43.600
twice the size it was last year. And, I mean,
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01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.760
I'd like to get us more involved in there, get
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01:08:46.779 --> 01:08:49.880
some of our guys in there, get some of our
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01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.930
members over there for the training, if nothing else. Because
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01:08:52.930 --> 01:08:57.090
uh there's gonna be vacuums and voids created and they're
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01:08:57.109 --> 01:09:00.229
gonna get filled by somebody yep might as well fill
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01:09:00.250 --> 01:09:01.250
them with the good folks.
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01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.069
Yeah so is there a process how do you how
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01:09:04.100 --> 01:09:05.739
do you how do you guys vet how do you
1334
01:09:05.779 --> 01:09:07.619
figure out who to who to pick up and who
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01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.920
not to pick up or do you just pick everyone.
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01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.279
Yeah that could be it i i can i can
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01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:15.079
get you in touch with like the director of training
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01:09:15.140 --> 01:09:16.800
and stuff and his friends.
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01:09:16.579 --> 01:09:20.729
Are rich right yeah Yeah. The president is. Cool.
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01:09:21.329 --> 01:09:21.609
Yeah.
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01:09:22.010 --> 01:09:26.130
Um, but yeah, you, to teach you, you know, you
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01:09:26.149 --> 01:09:28.010
got to give them a lesson plan. You gotta, you
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01:09:28.029 --> 01:09:29.750
gotta back your stuff up. You can't just come in
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01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:31.760
and be like, Oh, I'm going to teach you a
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01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:33.279
upside down helicopter shooting.
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01:09:34.460 --> 01:09:34.619
No.
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01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:40.479
Um, because you know, stuff you teach may, maybe using
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01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.810
a use of force out there and, uh, it might
1349
01:09:44.850 --> 01:09:45.869
just come back on you.
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01:09:46.489 --> 01:09:50.329
So, I wonder if that would be a reasonable expectation
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01:09:50.390 --> 01:09:53.659
for a student to ask an instructor, can I see
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01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:55.659
your lesson plan? And I'm talking about on the SIB
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01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.439
side where you're looking for private instruction.
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01:09:59.899 --> 01:10:00.840
Yeah.
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01:10:02.380 --> 01:10:05.899
Hey, Terry, let me ask you a quick question. When
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01:10:05.930 --> 01:10:08.189
you submit a lesson plan, is it basically doing the
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01:10:08.210 --> 01:10:11.329
same thing you do to get certified for post in
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01:10:11.350 --> 01:10:12.989
the state? Is that basically what you're doing?
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01:10:13.890 --> 01:10:14.069
Yeah.
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01:10:14.109 --> 01:10:15.989
Give me one second. I'll pull up that stuff and
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01:10:16.010 --> 01:10:16.710
I'll shoot it to you.
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01:10:17.390 --> 01:10:18.729
All right, man. Just send it to me, PM.
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01:10:19.529 --> 01:10:22.430
Um, so Matt, the first thing that, you know, in
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01:10:22.470 --> 01:10:25.390
my mind that, uh, a person that's looking for training
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01:10:25.430 --> 01:10:28.310
should do is figure out what kind of training they're trying.
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01:10:28.050 --> 01:10:33.409
To, um, do. What is the goal? If they're going for.
1367
01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:38.779
A CCW class, that's completely different than going to a,
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01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:43.239
you know, pistol one class or a carbine one class, um,
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01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:46.659
in the mind of the student most of the time. Um,
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01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.050
So what are your intentions? What are your goals for
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01:10:51.170 --> 01:10:53.970
seeking instruction? That's the first question a student should ask themselves.
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01:10:54.609 --> 01:10:57.409
Why do I need to seek out this instruction? With
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01:10:57.430 --> 01:11:01.890
that in mind, depending on where you are and what's
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01:11:01.930 --> 01:11:05.770
available as far as instructors, let's take CCW for an example.
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01:11:05.970 --> 01:11:11.020
Around here, we have a handful of CCW instructors. I
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01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:13.020
only trust one of them. I think the rest of
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01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.829
them are clowns. People ask me who to go to. Fortunately,
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01:11:16.869 --> 01:11:19.409
I'm a good resource, and I say, hey, these guys
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01:11:19.449 --> 01:11:20.930
are idiots, and here's why.
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01:11:21.909 --> 01:11:24.930
This guy over here is really good at what he teaches.
1381
01:11:25.130 --> 01:11:27.619
He's very good at explaining why this is important to
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01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:30.380
take this class and make sure that you don't leave
1383
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.710
that– class on the weekend until you're dialed in with
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01:11:34.770 --> 01:11:37.310
the concepts that he's teaching. He's very good about being
1385
01:11:37.329 --> 01:11:40.689
a good instructor when it comes to inculcating those concepts
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01:11:40.930 --> 01:11:45.310
for the students. So sometimes you have the availability of
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01:11:45.350 --> 01:11:47.960
somebody locally who's been to some classes. You can ask them,
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01:11:47.979 --> 01:11:50.039
Hey man, you know, I need to go do this.
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01:11:50.300 --> 01:11:52.380
You know, I want to stay close to home. Where
1390
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:55.460
would you go if you would do this? A lot
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01:11:55.500 --> 01:11:57.319
of places don't have a lot of students don't have
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01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.050
those options. So what they end up doing is they
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01:11:59.060 --> 01:12:04.130
end up getting on the forms or in the groups.
1394
01:12:04.670 --> 01:12:07.250
And if they get into the right groups and forms,
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01:12:07.310 --> 01:12:12.640
they can see there's this diverse cornucopia of instructors that.
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01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:14.539
Have a lot of people giving them good feedback.
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01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.319
And if they do a little bit more work, then
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01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:19.079
they can see that there's a link for the after
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01:12:19.180 --> 01:12:22.189
action report and they can go read what several students
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01:12:22.229 --> 01:12:26.310
have encountered while they were students in that class. In
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01:12:26.350 --> 01:12:29.310
some instances, that's not available. And if instructors want to
1402
01:12:29.630 --> 01:12:32.829
pull good instructors, want to pull good students, they need
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01:12:32.850 --> 01:12:36.090
to put that information out there so people can see, hey, no,
1404
01:12:36.289 --> 01:12:40.310
I taught a three day rifle class in Brady, Texas.
1405
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.560
And here were the students we had. Here are the
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01:12:42.619 --> 01:12:45.449
weapons we had. Day one, we did this. These are
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01:12:45.470 --> 01:12:49.250
the problems that we found. We found some insights. Day two,
1408
01:12:49.289 --> 01:12:52.649
we did this. This is how we proceeded. And day three,
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01:12:52.689 --> 01:12:56.470
we concluded with this with some skill sets and tests
1410
01:12:56.989 --> 01:13:00.560
to test what we taught in the curricula, the POI
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01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.819
from day one to the end of day three. Some
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01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:07.579
instructors don't put that shit out there. And then you
1413
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.279
run into the problem of instructors that are the Instagram
1414
01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:14.000
instructors that have a good IG profile. And it looks
1415
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.239
slick because they get a good photographer and they have
1416
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.729
good branding, but they don't know what the fuck they're
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01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:22.619
talking about. So kind of circling back, you have to–
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01:13:22.670 --> 01:13:24.109
as a student, you have to know what you want
1419
01:13:24.329 --> 01:13:29.770
out of the class. The more well-known instructors have a
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01:13:29.829 --> 01:13:37.189
following for a reason. Their credentials speak for themselves. And
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01:13:37.229 --> 01:13:42.600
then– Sometimes it's just hit or miss. I've gone to
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01:13:42.649 --> 01:13:44.510
some classes with some people that are pretty well known
1423
01:13:44.550 --> 01:13:48.029
that I didn't get a lot out of it. Sometimes
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01:13:48.329 --> 01:13:50.250
what you get out of a class is the negative.
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01:13:50.329 --> 01:13:52.609
I will never do this again or I find this
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01:13:52.649 --> 01:13:54.500
to be at fault for these reasons. I know this
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01:13:54.539 --> 01:13:57.720
is wrong. The negative can also be a teaching component
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01:13:57.779 --> 01:14:00.779
for you when you're trying to acquire skills.
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01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:01.699
It's tough.
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01:14:03.340 --> 01:14:06.829
The average civilian has an uphill battle unless they're in
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01:14:07.270 --> 01:14:12.090
near a large metropolitan area that has several facilities and
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01:14:12.149 --> 01:14:13.949
people that host classes that know what they're doing.
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01:14:13.970 --> 01:14:16.939
And part of that goes to the host, hosting the class.
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01:14:17.609 --> 01:14:20.020
The host that hosts the class at a range needs
1435
01:14:20.060 --> 01:14:22.979
to do their due diligence also and do a little
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01:14:23.020 --> 01:14:25.100
research to find out who they should bring in to
1437
01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:25.920
teach the classes.
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01:14:25.939 --> 01:14:28.939
I don't know if that answers your question. I hope so.
1439
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:34.680
I think that was great to reiterate. The art of
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01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.600
the AAR, the After Action Report, is not dead. It
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01:14:37.659 --> 01:14:40.270
is still something that's needed. And it's still something that's
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01:14:40.289 --> 01:14:45.350
helpful for everyone, including the writer. Because I know when
1443
01:14:45.390 --> 01:14:51.390
I write AARs, After Action Reports, I remember even better.
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01:14:51.750 --> 01:14:54.029
And I have a better recollection of what I just learned.
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01:14:54.050 --> 01:14:56.689
And guess what? That's going to help other people make
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01:14:56.710 --> 01:14:58.770
a determination whether they want to take a class or not.
1447
01:14:58.909 --> 01:15:01.689
Or they can also learn from those. That's why I
1448
01:15:01.729 --> 01:15:04.100
went to Pat Rogers. That's why I hosted Pat Rogers
1449
01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:07.199
because there were so many after action reports. He typed
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01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:10.159
them up, then students put in feedback and it gave
1451
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:14.319
me basically directions on how to host the class, what
1452
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.460
I needed to do, what to expect. It was wonderful.
1453
01:15:17.739 --> 01:15:20.199
And unfortunately, a lot of people are thinking after action
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01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:22.939
reports are dead. We don't need to do them anymore.
1455
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.100
Completely wrong. They're absolutely necessary. Matter of fact, please write
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01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:33.289
them because they will help Well, not only that, I mean, you.
1457
01:15:33.229 --> 01:15:36.729
Know, it behooves the student to take notes in a class,
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01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:40.479
you know, so that they can write the after action
1459
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.159
report to help, you know, future students make a decision
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01:15:43.260 --> 01:15:45.430
on is this instructor worth the time and the coin.
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01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:51.350
But also it allows the student, be they civilian, MIL,
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01:15:51.390 --> 01:15:56.189
or LE, to have notes from which to refer to
1463
01:15:57.069 --> 01:16:00.029
if a discussion topic comes up. So let's say Chad
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01:16:00.069 --> 01:16:03.409
teaches a class on SIGs and talks about all the
1465
01:16:03.449 --> 01:16:04.869
pros and cons of SIGs. I'm going to take a
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01:16:05.130 --> 01:16:08.260
shit ton of copious notes because I shoot a SIG
1467
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.720
pretty frequently. And there's some stuff that he mentioned earlier
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01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.699
tonight that I wasn't quite in tune with, and now
1469
01:16:14.739 --> 01:16:16.930
I have a better understanding of it. So somebody at
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01:16:16.989 --> 01:16:20.189
my department, say, or in the area who was going to,
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01:16:20.289 --> 01:16:22.010
you know, buy a SIG, I could say, hey, hang
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01:16:22.050 --> 01:16:24.149
on a second. I went to this class with Chad,
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01:16:24.810 --> 01:16:26.430
and here are my notes. Let's take a look at them,
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01:16:26.510 --> 01:16:27.939
and then you can make your own decision to be
1475
01:16:27.979 --> 01:16:29.329
informed about what you're going to do.
1476
01:16:30.180 --> 01:16:31.000
So you're absolutely right.
1477
01:16:31.020 --> 01:16:37.060
You know, documentation is advantageous for both the instructor and
1478
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.520
the student and people that may be students.
1479
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.960
And it definitely holds the instructors accountable to know that
1480
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.029
they got, you know, students of the game. They're going
1481
01:16:47.050 --> 01:16:51.489
to be writing ARs and posting them up online. It's
1482
01:16:51.510 --> 01:16:55.369
not like you have a rat in the house. It's
1483
01:16:55.409 --> 01:17:01.000
just a great method of tracking that. If one instructor
1484
01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:05.199
is getting a bunch of bad AARs, yeah, there's that
1485
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:10.359
one flaming arrow where somebody's just an asshole, but you
1486
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:14.510
can still track a trend and see if that's somebody um,
1487
01:17:14.670 --> 01:17:18.109
that you need to invest your money in or, and
1488
01:17:18.189 --> 01:17:20.569
for that instructor, it puts the onus on them because
1489
01:17:20.710 --> 01:17:23.180
that's advertising. That's word of mouth. And it's no longer
1490
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.880
one angry customer tells 10, it's one angry customer tells
1491
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:32.520
a hundred thousand. Um, you know, for us, you know,
1492
01:17:33.579 --> 01:17:36.750
we're shooting a school in a small, small area. And, um,
1493
01:17:38.289 --> 01:17:41.329
and our, our prizes aren't cheap. They're competitive, but they're
1494
01:17:41.350 --> 01:17:46.659
not cheap. Um, And the biggest problem for baseline, you know,
1495
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:47.899
I just got a gun. I want to learn how
1496
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:51.180
to shoot it types. They're fully invested in the practice.
1497
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:57.220
They don't understand and they haven't committed.
1498
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.119
Fully to what it entails.
1499
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.729
It's kind of the equivalent of buying a sports car
1500
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:07.529
and immediately going to driving schools, even though you've been
1501
01:18:07.550 --> 01:18:10.430
driving your whole life. you know, just like, you know,
1502
01:18:10.449 --> 01:18:11.989
I've been shooting guns my whole life, but yeah, you
1503
01:18:12.010 --> 01:18:13.569
just bought a new gun. You're going to carry, you're
1504
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.119
going to take it around town. You know, you need
1505
01:18:16.140 --> 01:18:17.979
to learn how to drive that high performance vehicle.
1506
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:21.020
Well, where do you go? You know, there's a big
1507
01:18:21.060 --> 01:18:22.500
associated expense with that.
1508
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:26.180
So for a lot of people, and this includes family members,
1509
01:18:26.300 --> 01:18:29.289
you know, and people I know in town, they have
1510
01:18:29.329 --> 01:18:31.369
a real hard time buying off and paying a couple
1511
01:18:31.390 --> 01:18:35.390
hundred bucks to somebody for day instruction. Whenever there's two
1512
01:18:35.409 --> 01:18:39.189
or three other local Yahoo's, That'll take 50 bucks and
1513
01:18:39.270 --> 01:18:42.899
make them only shoot a fraction of the ammo, which
1514
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:43.939
is less money.
1515
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:45.779
And so it comes down to.
1516
01:18:45.739 --> 01:18:48.350
Dollars and cents, really, in a lot of ways. And
1517
01:18:48.369 --> 01:18:50.880
so that makes it really hard to compete. and fortunately
1518
01:18:50.899 --> 01:18:54.600
for us our one public range here we've got a
1519
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.020
bunch of book land and stuff and people own land
1520
01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.590
around here so they can shoot on our property but
1521
01:18:59.630 --> 01:19:03.069
our one public range is an indoor range and the
1522
01:19:03.170 --> 01:19:08.229
owners are fellow instructors at the shooting school too So
1523
01:19:08.250 --> 01:19:12.590
they give good instruction there to range the other, I
1524
01:19:12.649 --> 01:19:16.069
say yokels, but the other, the other people that are
1525
01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:20.939
doing CHL or CCW classes in the area, they're, you know,
1526
01:19:20.939 --> 01:19:21.689
50 bucks.
1527
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.060
They're written that range.
1528
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.420
And so the, the couple that own that range, they're
1529
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.060
actually keeping tabs on the competition, so to speak, but
1530
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.800
also kind of holding them accountable. They're not allowing them to,
1531
01:19:37.789 --> 01:19:40.569
to get away with hinky stuff because it's.
1532
01:19:40.470 --> 01:19:42.350
Under their umbrella on their range.
1533
01:19:43.149 --> 01:19:47.260
Um, but at the same time, that's an outlet to
1534
01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:51.579
direct them towards higher level training at our training facility
1535
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:54.220
in our classes and, and, and.
1536
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:55.779
Their curriculum that they teach.
1537
01:19:55.819 --> 01:19:59.899
Yeah. It's hominous and dominant by the state, um, for
1538
01:19:59.930 --> 01:20:03.850
the requirement for the, for the carry license, but it
1539
01:20:03.909 --> 01:20:08.390
also shoe horns, uh, perfectly into what we teach in
1540
01:20:08.409 --> 01:20:12.720
our handgun one which layers into two three handgun cqb
1541
01:20:12.739 --> 01:20:15.359
v you know v cqb and all that other stuff
1542
01:20:15.979 --> 01:20:20.340
um it's a pretty sweet little setup um but it's
1543
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.119
really hard to figure out who to go to and
1544
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:27.819
really it's like just cutting your little bunny out into
1545
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:30.659
the wild and hoping that it avoids all the coyotes
1546
01:20:30.699 --> 01:20:31.039
and stuff.
1547
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:35.090
It's like, these shooters are like, who do they go to?
1548
01:20:35.100 --> 01:20:39.229
You know, my friends back home, fortunately now, and for
1549
01:20:39.250 --> 01:20:43.270
the past few years, it's been better. Um, but back
1550
01:20:43.310 --> 01:20:46.329
home in North Texas, uh, for me, it was like,
1551
01:20:46.350 --> 01:20:47.909
people are like, Hey man, I want to go shoot.
1552
01:20:47.930 --> 01:20:49.130
And I'm like, well, I'm only in town for like
1553
01:20:49.149 --> 01:20:52.729
two days. Um, Like, well, who can I go to
1554
01:20:52.739 --> 01:20:54.770
for training? You know? And for the longest time, it's like,
1555
01:20:55.409 --> 01:20:58.329
you got me, man. There was like one place to go. Um,
1556
01:20:59.270 --> 01:21:01.930
now you got Daryl Bulky and Wayne Dobbs.
1557
01:21:02.350 --> 01:21:02.550
Yep.
1558
01:21:02.930 --> 01:21:06.670
And you got Mike Lamb, you know, and you actually
1559
01:21:06.710 --> 01:21:09.109
got some other guys there too, um, that I don't
1560
01:21:09.149 --> 01:21:11.630
know personally. So I have people that I can direct
1561
01:21:11.649 --> 01:21:15.090
them to, um, and to get them in with a,
1562
01:21:15.170 --> 01:21:18.069
with a, under good tutelage on the range that aren't
1563
01:21:18.100 --> 01:21:19.460
going to be teaching them hinky stuff.
1564
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.060
One of the problems, Matt, is that there's been this
1565
01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:28.289
paradigm shift or sea change, however you want to describe it.
1566
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:32.159
In the old days, you know, five years ago, which
1567
01:21:32.220 --> 01:21:35.470
is the old days for what I'm talking about, people
1568
01:21:35.529 --> 01:21:40.590
had to actually log into a form and do a
1569
01:21:40.630 --> 01:21:44.109
lot of legwork and make some decisions on where they
1570
01:21:44.149 --> 01:21:46.300
should go to get instruction. And they would have to
1571
01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:50.319
read through some AARs and go to the instructor's website
1572
01:21:50.340 --> 01:21:53.399
and and see what the instructor posted on their website
1573
01:21:53.460 --> 01:21:57.569
and see what the equipment requirements are and the descriptions
1574
01:21:57.609 --> 01:21:59.829
of the different classes.
1575
01:21:59.890 --> 01:22:00.970
That's how it used to be.
1576
01:22:01.029 --> 01:22:02.909
So people took a little bit more time and were
1577
01:22:02.930 --> 01:22:08.170
a little bit more introspective and thoughtful on their instruction choices.
1578
01:22:08.250 --> 01:22:11.350
Now it is driven by social media.
1579
01:22:11.390 --> 01:22:14.109
So they look at Facebook.
1580
01:22:13.670 --> 01:22:16.869
And Twitter and Instagram and Tumblr and all these other
1581
01:22:16.949 --> 01:22:19.750
sources and And there are these micro sound bites or
1582
01:22:19.770 --> 01:22:21.250
micro images.
1583
01:22:20.930 --> 01:22:22.869
Of what people are doing, and they're picking up on
1584
01:22:22.890 --> 01:22:23.550
the sexy.
1585
01:22:23.569 --> 01:22:26.029
They're not looking at the meat and potatoes of what
1586
01:22:26.069 --> 01:22:31.399
goes on with an instructor when it comes to teaching courses.
1587
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:36.479
So because we have such a short attention span, you know,
1588
01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:39.920
not old farts like me, but younger guys like you–
1589
01:22:40.670 --> 01:22:44.119
You know, they go to the Instagram feed and they're like, hey, look,
1590
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:45.079
this looks sexy.
1591
01:22:45.380 --> 01:22:48.680
This guy's doing, you know, he's he's got a kettlebell.
1592
01:22:48.140 --> 01:22:51.310
And he's hanging upside down and he's one handed or
1593
01:22:51.350 --> 01:22:53.250
he's jumping over a berm and shooting his.
1594
01:22:53.649 --> 01:22:55.449
You know, AR. That's sexy.
1595
01:22:55.470 --> 01:22:55.850
That's that's.
1596
01:22:56.170 --> 01:22:58.609
That's appealing to people that don't know what they don't know,
1597
01:22:58.689 --> 01:23:02.090
as opposed to seeing some old broken down fuck like
1598
01:23:02.149 --> 01:23:05.789
me or Chad standing on the line, you know, just
1599
01:23:05.909 --> 01:23:09.170
doing repetitive DEA dot torture drills to make people really
1600
01:23:09.210 --> 01:23:13.210
good at basics and fundamentals and, you know, layered skill sets.
1601
01:23:13.270 --> 01:23:15.680
That's not as sexy on social media. So it's hard
1602
01:23:15.689 --> 01:23:18.939
for instructors to get in some instances to get their
1603
01:23:18.979 --> 01:23:20.960
profile to the point where people are going to buy
1604
01:23:21.020 --> 01:23:21.479
into what.
1605
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:23.789
You're doing because it's, It's bare bones.
1606
01:23:24.550 --> 01:23:29.520
It's the foundational stuff. It's not the hoo-yah, you know,
1607
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:31.779
Delta Team PJ.
1608
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:34.640
Seal 6 fucking bullshit. That's what's sexy to them.
1609
01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:37.579
So much flash and so little substance. Right.
1610
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:40.189
It's flash in the pan bullshit. And, you know, I
1611
01:23:40.229 --> 01:23:42.229
tell people, hey, you know, it's great. You can have
1612
01:23:42.289 --> 01:23:49.140
a fucking house with a $ 10, 000– lina rose a fucking
1613
01:23:49.380 --> 01:23:52.810
french uh you know leather couch in your house but
1614
01:23:52.829 --> 01:23:55.149
if your foundation's being eaten by termites what did you
1615
01:23:55.189 --> 01:23:57.829
accomplish got a nice couch for about two weeks until
1616
01:23:57.869 --> 01:24:01.149
the fucking roof collapses on you so you're starting off
1617
01:24:01.189 --> 01:24:05.119
with the uh unsexy stuff sometimes is the way to
1618
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.579
go go get your fundamentals drilled in and then you
1619
01:24:07.619 --> 01:24:09.819
can go seek you know that different kind of stuff
1620
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:12.579
but People don't want to pay for that. They want
1621
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:16.140
to get the instant– they want to get that instant hit, right?
1622
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:17.840
It's addictive.
1623
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.270
They want cool guy photos of themselves to share with
1624
01:24:21.289 --> 01:24:23.470
their friends on Facebook doing.
1625
01:24:23.210 --> 01:24:24.250
Cool guy stuff.
1626
01:24:24.670 --> 01:24:27.149
I mean it comes down to what people are actually
1627
01:24:27.210 --> 01:24:32.060
seeking out if they're seeking out training to better themselves
1628
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:35.279
and better their skill set or– it's just, they're just, eh.
1629
01:24:35.380 --> 01:24:37.779
I'm going to go take a class or entertainment or
1630
01:24:37.819 --> 01:24:38.539
it's entertainment.
1631
01:24:38.579 --> 01:24:42.850
Yeah. It does. Yeah. What you're looking for.
1632
01:24:43.050 --> 01:24:45.090
And I mean, how are you going to know if
1633
01:24:45.130 --> 01:24:46.989
the skill sets you have are shit if you don't
1634
01:24:47.069 --> 01:24:49.149
have any baseline?
1635
01:24:49.310 --> 01:24:50.529
So you might go to one of.
1636
01:24:50.510 --> 01:24:54.569
These instructors that are all flash and you, are you
1637
01:24:54.630 --> 01:24:57.300
ever going to actually put that skill set to a test?
1638
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.699
You may not be if, if you're just, you know,
1639
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:02.039
depending on what kind of consumer you are.
1640
01:25:02.060 --> 01:25:02.680
Right.
1641
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:04.970
So, you're not going to know that it sucks.
1642
01:25:05.689 --> 01:25:07.789
Well, I mean, but there's, there's also kind of this
1643
01:25:07.869 --> 01:25:13.649
hybrid student who have gone to some foundational classes and
1644
01:25:13.670 --> 01:25:16.529
are pretty good shooters. And then you'll see a group
1645
01:25:16.609 --> 01:25:19.310
of them that are repeat customers every year in the
1646
01:25:19.369 --> 01:25:22.760
same class. And it's like their golf trip, you know,
1647
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.239
and they are, they are, they really are.
1648
01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:27.119
Seeking to raise their level. I mean, they want to improve,
1649
01:25:27.539 --> 01:25:29.060
but they're also there to have a good time.
1650
01:25:29.380 --> 01:25:31.800
It's the same six guys that show up in, you know,
1651
01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:37.220
And that's fine. But they're willing to go travel and
1652
01:25:37.260 --> 01:25:39.569
spend the coin because it's fun for them, and they
1653
01:25:39.590 --> 01:25:41.529
want to get yelled at, and they want to get correction.
1654
01:25:42.670 --> 01:25:46.149
So there's that hybrid student, too, that's not the high-speed
1655
01:25:46.470 --> 01:25:50.640
dude that really needs these really elite skill sets and concepts.
1656
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.140
And it's not the basic student that just bought the
1657
01:25:55.180 --> 01:25:57.100
pistol for the first time. These are the guys that
1658
01:25:57.140 --> 01:25:59.600
have taken the time. They've gone to four or five
1659
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.140
good classes with good instructors. They're like, hey, we like
1660
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:02.739
doing this shit.
1661
01:26:02.770 --> 01:26:03.390
This is fun.
1662
01:26:03.989 --> 01:26:07.689
I'm an anesthesiologist, and I can afford an $ 8, 000 fucking pistol.
1663
01:26:07.710 --> 01:26:11.149
Let's go to this fucking class with Chad. Chad's going
1664
01:26:11.189 --> 01:26:14.510
to get me squared away on working from concealment with
1665
01:26:14.569 --> 01:26:17.149
my appendix holster.
1666
01:26:17.189 --> 01:26:18.470
I don't do that a lot. I'd like to do
1667
01:26:18.510 --> 01:26:20.039
that some more, and I can afford to do it.
1668
01:26:20.069 --> 01:26:21.439
So there's that hybrid student, too.
1669
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:27.229
We have a lot of those that are repeat students
1670
01:26:27.310 --> 01:26:30.289
or alumni that, that that's them to a T and
1671
01:26:30.310 --> 01:26:32.430
they will travel from all over the country to come
1672
01:26:32.470 --> 01:26:35.310
back and they'll stack two or three courses back to
1673
01:26:35.350 --> 01:26:39.069
back and they'll have their ammunition delivered. They'll have like 6,000 rounds,
1674
01:26:39.430 --> 01:26:42.779
various calibers, you know, and they'll come in and those
1675
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:44.000
are the guys that are like.
1676
01:26:45.260 --> 01:26:46.300
Great to deal with.
1677
01:26:46.180 --> 01:26:49.359
Because one, there's no indoctrination phase, right?
1678
01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:49.460
Yeah.
1679
01:26:50.340 --> 01:26:52.180
You don't have to like– there's no butt sniffing, none
1680
01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:54.560
of that going on. It's like, all right, these guys
1681
01:26:54.579 --> 01:27:01.890
know the deal. I have no problem with those guys, man,
1682
01:27:01.909 --> 01:27:05.270
because I wish more people were like them. They're just
1683
01:27:05.529 --> 01:27:09.779
fortunate enough to have the disposable income or they work
1684
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.779
their finances to afford it. But yeah, I'm totally picking
1685
01:27:14.819 --> 01:27:18.550
up what Mike put down because– you know, that, that's
1686
01:27:18.590 --> 01:27:20.810
where I'm at. Like, like I said, like our area,
1687
01:27:21.449 --> 01:27:25.109
most of our students don't come from our area. Um,
1688
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.720
they usually travel. They're coming from Virginia. They're coming from
1689
01:27:29.779 --> 01:27:35.460
across West Virginia. They're coming from Colorado, coming from Minnesota,
1690
01:27:36.060 --> 01:27:38.720
New York. I mean, they're coming from all everywhere, but
1691
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:43.300
here to come train and they keep coming back, which
1692
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:43.859
is great.
1693
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:48.930
Um, So let me ask real quick, Chad. I'm sorry
1694
01:27:48.970 --> 01:27:49.789
if you're about to make a point.
1695
01:27:49.810 --> 01:27:50.289
Yeah, go ahead.
1696
01:27:50.949 --> 01:27:51.850
No, probably not.
1697
01:27:52.170 --> 01:27:55.949
So all these people coming from everywhere else, I mean,
1698
01:27:56.210 --> 01:28:01.010
you've probably asked them where they hear about those programs.
1699
01:28:02.289 --> 01:28:05.850
How did they do their due diligence? Where did they
1700
01:28:05.869 --> 01:28:08.029
do their research? How do they know about you?
1701
01:28:09.489 --> 01:28:15.760
You know, honestly, these are– These are guys that probably,
1702
01:28:15.779 --> 01:28:19.140
you know, either they shot with Pat back whenever he
1703
01:28:19.180 --> 01:28:20.899
was working for Jeff Cooper.
1704
01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:27.550
And, you know, they, so they've, you know, whenever he.
1705
01:28:27.529 --> 01:28:30.949
And Pat Rogers left gun site and they started their
1706
01:28:30.970 --> 01:28:36.250
own show, they just kind of kept training with them. Others,
1707
01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:39.689
you know, do the circuit. They just don't train only
1708
01:28:39.729 --> 01:28:42.520
with us. like they'll bounce to the vicar's course so
1709
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.039
you know they'll go shoot with all these other different
1710
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:48.720
you know higher you know say higher level but bigger
1711
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:52.560
name instructors but they'll always come back to us because
1712
01:28:52.579 --> 01:28:55.340
they know that guess what Yeah. You've been with us
1713
01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:58.289
a dozen times. You're shooting the basics with this all
1714
01:28:58.310 --> 01:29:00.529
day and they want to come back because they understand
1715
01:29:00.550 --> 01:29:03.029
the importance of the basics. And it's just not three
1716
01:29:03.069 --> 01:29:06.090
days of basics, but we're not just going to pick
1717
01:29:06.149 --> 01:29:09.010
up where we left off. Oh, you know, last year,
1718
01:29:09.069 --> 01:29:10.989
last time they were here, they want to come back
1719
01:29:11.050 --> 01:29:12.159
and knock their rust off.
1720
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:15.659
Like Pat Fuller, man.
1721
01:29:15.699 --> 01:29:19.180
He comes back probably twice a year and he drives
1722
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:25.149
back from, um, the upper Midwest. And I mean, he
1723
01:29:25.189 --> 01:29:27.689
comes down to, yeah, I'm not going to, I mean,
1724
01:29:27.710 --> 01:29:32.270
dude's hard, man. And now it really hard. He was
1725
01:29:32.350 --> 01:29:36.409
a full contact fighter until the past few years, probably
1726
01:29:36.430 --> 01:29:38.779
what in the sixties now or close to it.
1727
01:29:39.029 --> 01:29:41.729
He's a grandfather. Yeah. I wouldn't fuck with him.
1728
01:29:42.470 --> 01:29:47.029
He is the master at arms for the state house there.
1729
01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:52.640
But he was a, he was a recon officer in
1730
01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:54.979
the Marine Corps until they were going to make him
1731
01:29:55.010 --> 01:29:55.750
move out of recon.
1732
01:29:55.770 --> 01:29:56.310
He's like, fuck that.
1733
01:29:56.329 --> 01:29:58.430
He actually put in an inter-service transfer with the army,
1734
01:29:58.470 --> 01:29:59.189
went to Ranger Bat.
1735
01:30:02.250 --> 01:30:02.770
Dude's hard.
1736
01:30:04.189 --> 01:30:06.989
Tattoo on his arm says suffering silence and stuff. And
1737
01:30:07.029 --> 01:30:11.199
that dude is a hard shooting guy, man. And love
1738
01:30:11.220 --> 01:30:13.199
it when he comes around because, I mean, he always
1739
01:30:13.220 --> 01:30:15.739
has a smile on his face, sweating all over the
1740
01:30:15.779 --> 01:30:18.010
place and just shooting his heart out.
1741
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:22.029
And, you know, It's good.
1742
01:30:21.909 --> 01:30:24.090
For other students to see guys like that because, first
1743
01:30:24.109 --> 01:30:25.680
of all, they're like, man, this guy's like high speed.
1744
01:30:25.699 --> 01:30:26.359
Who is he?
1745
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:32.680
He's a former action type guy, but he's just a
1746
01:30:32.699 --> 01:30:35.239
true believer. He's going to keep doing this as long
1747
01:30:35.260 --> 01:30:37.300
as his body holds up.
1748
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:38.890
A lot of.
1749
01:30:39.750 --> 01:30:44.930
Them, they've been shooting... with PFT for so long, like
1750
01:30:45.010 --> 01:30:48.649
almost predating the internet, you know, like over 10 years,
1751
01:30:49.149 --> 01:30:53.979
over 12 years. And so I can't really say like, what's,
1752
01:30:54.279 --> 01:31:02.399
what's the whole, you know, statistical data set that says, Hey,
1753
01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:02.779
this is.
1754
01:31:02.779 --> 01:31:03.770
What's working for us.
1755
01:31:04.430 --> 01:31:10.710
A lot of word of mouth and, you know, meeting
1756
01:31:10.750 --> 01:31:12.449
people on in a course and they say hey you
1757
01:31:12.470 --> 01:31:13.609
should go train with these guys.
1758
01:31:15.310 --> 01:31:18.670
Yeah that that word of mouth is a big thing because.
1759
01:31:18.430 --> 01:31:21.310
You know especially the people that do the circuit so
1760
01:31:21.350 --> 01:31:24.409
to speak they go to a bunch of pretty well-known
1761
01:31:24.449 --> 01:31:27.909
instructors and you know they'll travel around the country over
1762
01:31:27.949 --> 01:31:31.829
the year maybe log five to twelve classes and when
1763
01:31:31.850 --> 01:31:33.810
they get back to some place they're chatting with their
1764
01:31:33.829 --> 01:31:37.430
friends on social media or calling people although nobody uses
1765
01:31:37.470 --> 01:31:41.069
the fucking phone anymore. And somebody will say, hey, man,
1766
01:31:41.090 --> 01:31:42.770
I'm going to be down in Texas, and I was
1767
01:31:43.250 --> 01:31:44.789
wondering if you knew where I could go shoot. Is
1768
01:31:44.810 --> 01:31:46.609
there a class coming up? And you're like, oh, yeah,
1769
01:31:46.649 --> 01:31:49.500
talk to this guy. He's a host for all these
1770
01:31:49.539 --> 01:31:52.300
great instructors. He's in Dallas.
1771
01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:53.439
Talk to him.
1772
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:55.579
He can give you an idea of what's going on
1773
01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:59.890
in the area on your schedule. Well, have you trained
1774
01:31:59.930 --> 01:32:03.079
with this guy? Yeah, and go talk to Matt because–
1775
01:32:03.420 --> 01:32:06.100
You know, Shaki's got this company and he's hosting these
1776
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:08.039
classes and that instructor is going to be there when
1777
01:32:08.060 --> 01:32:08.560
you're going to be there.
1778
01:32:08.579 --> 01:32:09.039
Call him up.
1779
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.380
Here's his contact information. So a lot of the good.
1780
01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:18.810
Instructors get a lot of word of mouth referrals. And
1781
01:32:18.829 --> 01:32:22.170
that's that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy to some to
1782
01:32:22.210 --> 01:32:25.810
some extent. The lesser instructors, I don't mean in quality,
1783
01:32:25.850 --> 01:32:26.430
but just they're.
1784
01:32:26.310 --> 01:32:27.170
Not as well known.
1785
01:32:27.710 --> 01:32:30.109
They have to they have to hustle a lot more
1786
01:32:30.149 --> 01:32:32.750
to get their students in until they get their name out.
1787
01:32:33.210 --> 01:32:35.829
And they're brand developed because people don't know who they are.
1788
01:32:36.569 --> 01:32:40.680
So if you're in the area where Chad is, one
1789
01:32:40.689 --> 01:32:42.079
of my friends in Virginia was going to say, hey,
1790
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.300
who would you have instruct in the West Virginia, Virginia area?
1791
01:32:45.340 --> 01:32:47.119
I'd give them a couple names. And I'd say, hey,
1792
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:50.500
here's their phone numbers. Tell them that I told you
1793
01:32:50.539 --> 01:32:51.000
to call them.
1794
01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:53.850
I know you. And that will help you kind of
1795
01:32:54.250 --> 01:32:55.770
jump to the head of the line, so to speak.
1796
01:32:56.250 --> 01:32:57.489
Call Chad. See what's up.
1797
01:32:57.989 --> 01:32:59.350
And then I would say, hey, Chad, a friend of
1798
01:32:59.369 --> 01:33:00.890
mine is going to call you. Fucking talk to him.
1799
01:33:00.970 --> 01:33:03.920
And Chad would say, sure, no problem. And then, you know,
1800
01:33:03.939 --> 01:33:06.609
that's how that stuff happens to some extent. That's, that's
1801
01:33:06.670 --> 01:33:09.270
the way it used to be done for the most part,
1802
01:33:09.310 --> 01:33:12.109
that and having to dig into the forms and shit, or,
1803
01:33:12.630 --> 01:33:15.850
you know, somebody is hosting a class that's done by.
1804
01:33:15.770 --> 01:33:18.569
The PD at an agency.
1805
01:33:17.979 --> 01:33:22.520
And they'll allow civilian strap hangers. Um, and word word
1806
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.880
gets out through the gun clubs. Um, and you know,
1807
01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:29.899
that's how people find out about some stuff. Sometimes that backfires, but, um,
1808
01:33:31.189 --> 01:33:33.300
but now you know like i said earlier one of
1809
01:33:33.310 --> 01:33:35.359
the big problems is this fucking social.
1810
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:37.479
Media these social media.
1811
01:33:37.220 --> 01:33:42.479
Platforms kind of overwhelm beginning shooters they don't know what
1812
01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.319
they're fucking looking at you know they see something sexy
1813
01:33:45.350 --> 01:33:49.029
they're like hey let's do this as opposed to you
1814
01:33:49.069 --> 01:33:51.710
know let's go do that and there was a there
1815
01:33:51.750 --> 01:33:56.109
was a post by um uh langdon he did a
1816
01:33:56.149 --> 01:33:58.840
drill and he bobbled his draw stroke a little bit
1817
01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.050
and some dude just fucking jumped his ass and i
1818
01:34:01.090 --> 01:34:06.649
jumped that guy's ass you know and langdon does some
1819
01:34:06.689 --> 01:34:10.350
pretty interesting videos and they're instructional educational and that was
1820
01:34:10.369 --> 01:34:13.380
the point i was making to this troll um but
1821
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.880
he you know he's not branding the same way as
1822
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:20.960
some ig mafia fuck so if i'm a new shooter
1823
01:34:20.979 --> 01:34:25.140
and i'm looking i'm comparing uh langdon's you know video
1824
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:27.500
to some fucking dude that's hanging upside down with a
1825
01:34:27.500 --> 01:34:31.850
kettlebell and we all know i'm talking about um yeah
1826
01:34:32.470 --> 01:34:35.789
uh what's sexier to the new the new shooter you
1827
01:34:35.810 --> 01:34:39.050
know the dude that's doing the fucking you know idf
1828
01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:43.890
you know australian peel fucking mountain climbing technique or you
1829
01:34:43.930 --> 01:34:48.479
know ernie fucking showing basic skill sets So that's part
1830
01:34:48.500 --> 01:34:51.220
of the problem. It makes it difficult for people that
1831
01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:53.359
don't know what they don't know to make a decision.
1832
01:34:53.579 --> 01:34:56.659
Where should I spend my coin? You know, and sometimes
1833
01:34:56.689 --> 01:34:59.449
I've talked to some instructors. I'm like, hey, look, guys,
1834
01:34:59.470 --> 01:35:02.109
you need to, you know, think about doing this just
1835
01:35:02.149 --> 01:35:05.010
a little bit more when it comes to your branding, because,
1836
01:35:05.689 --> 01:35:07.229
you know, I know your classes are full most of
1837
01:35:07.250 --> 01:35:11.680
the time. But for the benefit of the novice or
1838
01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:14.720
the intermediate shooter, it would help them to understand that
1839
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:18.479
what you're doing is not just more. integral to learning
1840
01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:21.720
a skill, but it can be sexy too. And that's
1841
01:35:21.779 --> 01:35:23.619
a debate in the industry that, you know, people are
1842
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:24.399
still struggling with.
1843
01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:28.560
So, yeah, that's, I think that's a lesson that, I mean, I'm,
1844
01:35:28.649 --> 01:35:33.949
I'm an outsider, but, uh, I, the old dogs are
1845
01:35:33.970 --> 01:35:36.289
going to have to get up to speed with making
1846
01:35:36.329 --> 01:35:37.270
social media a big.
1847
01:35:37.170 --> 01:35:41.470
Part of their, their advertising. Cause that's just how the
1848
01:35:41.510 --> 01:35:42.170
world works now.
1849
01:35:42.689 --> 01:35:47.319
That's something. And, Sorry. Go ahead, man.
1850
01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:50.119
That's been our world here for as long as I've
1851
01:35:50.140 --> 01:35:53.439
been with PFT ever since I moved here. Because Pat's
1852
01:35:53.460 --> 01:35:56.079
that old breed, man. He's like, if I do my
1853
01:35:56.140 --> 01:35:58.359
job right, people are going to come. It's a whole
1854
01:35:58.380 --> 01:36:01.880
field of dreams thing. And that worked back in the day.
1855
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:06.539
You can take out an American Rifleman ad or whatever
1856
01:36:07.020 --> 01:36:08.319
and fill classes for a year.
1857
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:14.979
That's not so much the case anymore. And Pat's he
1858
01:36:15.020 --> 01:36:16.399
was hesitant for the longest time.
1859
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:18.380
And, you know, a lot of it was like a
1860
01:36:18.460 --> 01:36:21.279
personal dynamic with people, with somebody that was here before and,
1861
01:36:21.949 --> 01:36:25.420
you know, and really overselling hard on it and him,
1862
01:36:27.090 --> 01:36:29.479
that turning pad off to it. But now he's more
1863
01:36:29.529 --> 01:36:31.800
open to it. You know, he's got Wayne running the
1864
01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:34.659
social media aspects of it. And, you know, for the
1865
01:36:34.699 --> 01:36:36.930
longest time, it was like, you know, we don't have
1866
01:36:36.970 --> 01:36:38.710
videos out there. We don't have a whole lot of
1867
01:36:38.770 --> 01:36:41.489
pictures out there. It's because we keep the students so busy.
1868
01:36:41.510 --> 01:36:45.449
Nobody's taking time to take selfies with the instructor, you know,
1869
01:36:46.149 --> 01:36:48.909
and there's not a whole lot of that. I love
1870
01:36:48.949 --> 01:36:51.689
me time because you're sitting there hating yourself because you're
1871
01:36:51.729 --> 01:36:54.180
out of shape, you know, or you're hating us because
1872
01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:56.720
you're getting hit with airsoft pellets or getting hit with
1873
01:36:56.739 --> 01:36:58.859
a cane or something. Cause you're not behind cover or
1874
01:36:59.300 --> 01:37:04.010
we're making you do it again. Um, We keep the
1875
01:37:04.050 --> 01:37:07.729
students moving. You paid for eight hours of shooting. You're
1876
01:37:07.789 --> 01:37:13.619
getting eight hours of shooting. That's always just been like
1877
01:37:13.659 --> 01:37:19.460
a real hard, not a hard sell, but it's been
1878
01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:22.340
a growth phase. You're trying to get somebody that's not
1879
01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:25.270
necessarily stuck in their ways, but teaching an old dog
1880
01:37:25.329 --> 01:37:26.970
new tricks, trying to get them to buy off on that,
1881
01:37:27.010 --> 01:37:27.810
that's real hard.
1882
01:37:28.850 --> 01:37:29.750
You don't have to go full.
1883
01:37:32.569 --> 01:37:36.329
Or doing, to use the same example, kettlebells, you know,
1884
01:37:36.430 --> 01:37:38.739
upside down, that sort of thing. It's just something that
1885
01:37:40.060 --> 01:37:45.380
my experience, not to, because I guess I'm technically a millennial, Um,
1886
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:47.579
but not to throw them under the bus, but they're,
1887
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:50.399
they're a big part of the new gun culture and
1888
01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:53.659
that's how they do research is online. And they love
1889
01:37:53.699 --> 01:37:56.590
to share that stuff. And you, you have to get
1890
01:37:56.630 --> 01:37:58.729
their attention with stuff like that. And it doesn't have
1891
01:37:58.750 --> 01:38:01.470
to be, it doesn't have to be ridiculous. I mean,
1892
01:38:01.510 --> 01:38:04.770
it is, it is just something it's how they operate.
1893
01:38:04.829 --> 01:38:09.010
It's how a lot of people operate now. Um, but, uh,
1894
01:38:09.729 --> 01:38:12.340
just kind of go back real quick. when I was
1895
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:17.510
a baby cop, like I didn't know, like there were
1896
01:38:17.569 --> 01:38:20.310
instructors out there that taught civilian courses. Like I didn't
1897
01:38:20.329 --> 01:38:25.020
know that was a thing. My only exposure to firearms
1898
01:38:25.069 --> 01:38:31.199
training was through state-sponsored entities. I didn't know that there
1899
01:38:31.220 --> 01:38:34.079
were guys out there that traveled range to range that
1900
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.229
would teach you how to do stuff with weapons.
1901
01:38:39.029 --> 01:38:39.729
Yeah, I understand.
1902
01:38:39.789 --> 01:38:42.550
On the outside, that's just not a well-known thing or
1903
01:38:42.590 --> 01:38:46.039
wasn't a well-known thing. Yeah, you see a couple of
1904
01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:50.119
posters up at the gun shop where it's like, you know, Jerry,
1905
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:53.380
the gun counter guy, he's an instructor, too. He'll show
1906
01:38:53.420 --> 01:38:55.710
you some basic stuff on the weekends or something like that.
1907
01:38:56.189 --> 01:39:00.630
And that was about it for, you know, that's kind
1908
01:39:00.649 --> 01:39:02.390
of where that sphere of understanding started.
1909
01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:04.619
Ended like if.
1910
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:06.699
You want to get weapons training going to the military
1911
01:39:06.739 --> 01:39:08.789
or going to law enforcement you didn't know that there's
1912
01:39:08.850 --> 01:39:12.630
a whole civilian side out there that's changing more and
1913
01:39:12.649 --> 01:39:16.289
more now and it's more well known but I don't
1914
01:39:16.310 --> 01:39:18.390
fucking know about any of that shit and how I
1915
01:39:18.430 --> 01:39:20.880
learned about it was from word of mouth someone said
1916
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.739
hey dude you want to get get a little bit
1917
01:39:23.779 --> 01:39:27.239
better at this stuff go take this go take a
1918
01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:31.260
look online at this life fighter forum and check out
1919
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:36.930
this Pat Rogers guy So, you know, word of mouth
1920
01:39:36.989 --> 01:39:40.689
is still very important because our peers are the best
1921
01:39:40.729 --> 01:39:42.939
at influencing us on our decisions.
1922
01:39:43.180 --> 01:39:48.180
But, you know, the name of the game now is
1923
01:39:48.699 --> 01:39:50.119
as much as we bemoan.
1924
01:39:49.779 --> 01:39:52.420
Social media and how ridiculous it can be and how
1925
01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:57.819
it empowers fucking charlatans, we got to get up to
1926
01:39:57.859 --> 01:39:58.859
speed on it ourselves.
1927
01:39:59.739 --> 01:40:00.890
Go ahead, Chad.
1928
01:40:02.689 --> 01:40:04.210
I was going to say, yeah, we, we, we have
1929
01:40:04.250 --> 01:40:06.010
the decision to make, and I think we've already made it,
1930
01:40:06.069 --> 01:40:10.060
but it's the decision of, all right, social media is
1931
01:40:10.100 --> 01:40:13.180
not our baby, but we can either relinquish that to
1932
01:40:13.220 --> 01:40:17.239
the idiots and the charlatans, or we can actually.
1933
01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:17.520
Take it back.
1934
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:22.229
And, you know, a lot of people have said, you know, fucking,
1935
01:40:22.250 --> 01:40:25.729
I ain't doing that. But the thing is that you got,
1936
01:40:25.750 --> 01:40:28.689
you got, if you want to be in the marketplace,
1937
01:40:28.729 --> 01:40:29.949
you have to go where the people are.
1938
01:40:30.529 --> 01:40:30.689
Yep.
1939
01:40:31.850 --> 01:40:35.420
And if you're still trying to run your business like
1940
01:40:35.460 --> 01:40:39.039
it's a lemonade stand, you're going to end up with
1941
01:40:39.100 --> 01:40:40.819
a lot of lemonade that people aren't buying.
1942
01:40:41.579 --> 01:40:44.880
Right. Just because they don't know how to find it.
1943
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:47.569
I do all my research on what I buy for
1944
01:40:47.649 --> 01:40:52.130
products online. That's just the mode of research for the
1945
01:40:52.270 --> 01:40:55.310
average consumer in just about everything. Unless someone comes to
1946
01:40:55.350 --> 01:40:59.090
me and says, hey, Steve, check out the Keurig 2.0.
1947
01:40:59.090 --> 01:41:00.729
And, you know, cause it, it's awesome.
1948
01:41:00.750 --> 01:41:01.369
You want to try it out.
1949
01:41:02.409 --> 01:41:03.689
I'm going to do all my research online.
1950
01:41:03.729 --> 01:41:08.760
I'm not, I'm not going to peruse specialty magazines that
1951
01:41:08.819 --> 01:41:10.680
are 95% advertising.
1952
01:41:11.380 --> 01:41:13.460
You know, I'm not going to do that. I'm going
1953
01:41:13.500 --> 01:41:14.119
to do it online.
1954
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:17.699
So, you know, if you look at that old guard
1955
01:41:17.770 --> 01:41:22.329
from like the fifties and sixties and seventies, like, like,
1956
01:41:22.510 --> 01:41:26.409
you know, Jeff Cooper and others, if they had had
1957
01:41:26.449 --> 01:41:30.170
the internet back then, Those guys were pretty savvy businessmen.
1958
01:41:30.970 --> 01:41:32.750
Dude, people would have hated.
1959
01:41:32.529 --> 01:41:37.300
Them, man. Like, they're so revered now. But, I mean,
1960
01:41:37.449 --> 01:41:40.270
they would have had haters if the internet was around
1961
01:41:40.300 --> 01:41:42.060
back then because they would have been all over it, man.
1962
01:41:42.939 --> 01:41:45.100
They would have seen that and been like, hell yeah,
1963
01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:46.079
I'm going to get all over this.
1964
01:41:47.060 --> 01:41:48.760
Because it beats snail mail.
1965
01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:52.720
It beats American Rifleman and, you know, Cop Magazine or
1966
01:41:52.739 --> 01:41:53.699
whatever was around back then.
1967
01:41:54.260 --> 01:41:56.180
You know, putting it on the back of cereal boxes,
1968
01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:56.899
however they did it.
1969
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:03.189
So it's basically comes down to push versus pull in
1970
01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.689
the old days. You pushed information out and people would
1971
01:42:06.750 --> 01:42:10.529
see it or they wouldn't see it. Um, and now
1972
01:42:10.609 --> 01:42:12.869
it's pull, you put something up and you pull people
1973
01:42:13.010 --> 01:42:15.949
in via your social media accounts. And that's how that,
1974
01:42:16.090 --> 01:42:20.500
that branding and that, that mechanism works. And so let's take,
1975
01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:25.310
you know, Chad and, and talking about Pat, um, you know,
1976
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:27.560
it's paying the cock when you're trying to get love
1977
01:42:27.579 --> 01:42:29.979
me photos and videos and an eight hour class when
1978
01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:34.239
you're covered in fucking, you know, grease on your hands
1979
01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:36.659
and mud and you're doing, you know, ground fighting to
1980
01:42:36.699 --> 01:42:39.090
get up to go shoot a target. You just take
1981
01:42:39.100 --> 01:42:41.430
a weekend with some fucking friends in the area and
1982
01:42:41.449 --> 01:42:44.170
you fucking stage all that shit. You spend the whole
1983
01:42:44.229 --> 01:42:47.850
fucking weekend and you do, you know, pistol one, pistol two,
1984
01:42:47.930 --> 01:42:50.729
fucking carbine one, carbine two. You know, I know how
1985
01:42:50.770 --> 01:42:52.430
that range is set up and you do the carbine
1986
01:42:52.470 --> 01:42:55.380
bounce out, you know, fucking out West and, I'm on
1987
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:58.609
the Ridge line. You fucking stage all that stuff. And
1988
01:42:58.630 --> 01:43:00.909
you just say, Hey, we're buying pizza and beer. You know,
1989
01:43:00.930 --> 01:43:03.029
we're gonna have the pizza first and drink some Cokes
1990
01:43:03.069 --> 01:43:04.630
and do all this work. And then when we're done,
1991
01:43:04.649 --> 01:43:06.729
we're gonna drink some Brown liquor and have some beer
1992
01:43:06.770 --> 01:43:08.510
and fucking look at the videos and say, Hey, we
1993
01:43:08.529 --> 01:43:10.840
need to fucking shoot this one again in two weeks.
1994
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.739
Cause it sucks ass. Right.
1995
01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:16.739
And then those go on your fucking, your, your media platforms.
1996
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:19.079
And they also go on your website. So when somebody
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01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:23.250
goes to PFT and they look at, you know, you know,
1998
01:43:23.819 --> 01:43:26.970
pat g's fucking stuff they can see this is what's
1999
01:43:27.010 --> 01:43:30.270
involved in a carbine one class you know and it
2000
01:43:30.289 --> 01:43:34.630
lists all their equipment requirements and ammo requirements it shows
2001
01:43:34.649 --> 01:43:36.729
you where you can stay in lewisburg and blah blah
2002
01:43:36.770 --> 01:43:38.130
all that shit that he has.
2003
01:43:38.229 --> 01:43:39.770
But then they can fucking open up.
2004
01:43:39.710 --> 01:43:42.689
A video or look at an image hey man that's
2005
01:43:42.729 --> 01:43:44.489
pretty fucking cool shit i'd never thought to do that
2006
01:43:44.529 --> 01:43:47.880
before But the old guard struggles with that because they
2007
01:43:47.899 --> 01:43:51.239
didn't grow up with it. And they have to– and
2008
01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:53.500
Stephen is exactly right. They have to get on board
2009
01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:59.760
with it. But it doesn't have to be some $ 5, 000
2010
01:43:57.979 --> 01:44:00.229
photo shoot on a weekend. You can do this shit
2011
01:44:00.250 --> 01:44:03.149
pretty inexpensively. It doesn't have to be super slick. You
2012
01:44:03.170 --> 01:44:04.180
just have to fucking do it.
2013
01:44:05.149 --> 01:44:08.710
It's like when everyone started getting websites.
2014
01:44:09.909 --> 01:44:11.510
You don't have a website? You don't have email?
2015
01:44:12.149 --> 01:44:12.630
What the fuck?
2016
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.380
Now it's, you gotta have a social media account.
2017
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:15.939
Yeah.
2018
01:44:16.140 --> 01:44:18.060
You know, and then you have to have somebody that
2019
01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:21.550
manages it because things go down or things change. You know,
2020
01:44:21.590 --> 01:44:24.869
if you change the POI on your carbine one, that
2021
01:44:24.909 --> 01:44:26.949
has to be reflected on your website and it has
2022
01:44:27.010 --> 01:44:29.210
to be reflected in the ARS and.
2023
01:44:29.170 --> 01:44:30.720
All your social media platforms.
2024
01:44:30.810 --> 01:44:33.939
And people just don't want to dig into that because.
2025
01:44:33.659 --> 01:44:37.699
It's boring, laborious kind of dreary work.
2026
01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:40.149
But if you want to, you know, pull those students out,
2027
01:44:40.939 --> 01:44:43.100
you know, as opposed to pushing shit out, you know,
2028
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:46.840
three by five, you know, mailers to all the PDs
2029
01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:50.039
in a four state area, it's easier just to send
2030
01:44:50.060 --> 01:44:51.560
some dude an email and say, Hey, take a look
2031
01:44:51.590 --> 01:44:52.279
at our website.
2032
01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:54.270
This is what we're offering.
2033
01:44:56.789 --> 01:44:58.930
For every 10 officers you bring to my range. I'll
2034
01:44:58.949 --> 01:45:01.789
give you two free slots, you know, how you, however
2035
01:45:01.810 --> 01:45:04.569
you want to market that, but it's push versus pull.
2036
01:45:04.609 --> 01:45:06.340
And if you don't, you can't pull if you don't
2037
01:45:06.380 --> 01:45:08.399
have those platforms up and running and they're kind of,
2038
01:45:08.779 --> 01:45:11.619
They're kind of coherent, and they thread together very well.
2039
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:16.350
You have to have this holistic, organic, overarching picture of
2040
01:45:16.409 --> 01:45:20.149
what your program provides with your instructor base.
2041
01:45:20.949 --> 01:45:24.609
Or hot chicks with guns. You got to do that.
2042
01:45:25.970 --> 01:45:27.329
We had an interesting.
2043
01:45:26.869 --> 01:45:29.479
Dichotomy earlier this year.
2044
01:45:29.739 --> 01:45:33.340
Whoa. Yeah. Um, dichotomy.
2045
01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:33.500
Yeah.
2046
01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:34.560
You like that?
2047
01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:35.159
Oh, we do.
2048
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:36.840
We got some, we got some 12 pound brains in
2049
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:38.539
this room, so we got to throw them all out there.
2050
01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:42.859
Um, we, we had, we were doing.
2051
01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:47.649
A advanced carbine class and, uh, and that's the fun one, dude.
2052
01:45:47.850 --> 01:45:50.329
I love it, man. That's where you stretch out the gun.
2053
01:45:51.069 --> 01:45:52.989
And so you do all the close in stuff and
2054
01:45:53.029 --> 01:45:55.550
get a house runner to end and you end up
2055
01:45:55.569 --> 01:46:00.729
stretching the gun out to, you know, unknown unknown distances
2056
01:46:00.750 --> 01:46:04.510
but you're shooting at 400 yards on mgm little mini
2057
01:46:04.550 --> 01:46:07.010
pepper poppers and quarter scales and stuff that are hidden
2058
01:46:08.109 --> 01:46:11.609
and uh scrambling and you're running about 500 yards between
2059
01:46:11.630 --> 01:46:15.260
you know total between various firing points and doing hunt
2060
01:46:15.300 --> 01:46:18.420
to engage you're actually using observation skills trying to find
2061
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:20.420
the target there's something back into some trees and stuff
2062
01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:25.779
like that and using field expedient firing positions um So
2063
01:46:26.140 --> 01:46:28.159
we had this big class, a lot of fun and
2064
01:46:28.260 --> 01:46:33.890
a ton of shooters and John Johnson and I was
2065
01:46:33.930 --> 01:46:38.350
named Melody or Melanie, his website girl, they came to
2066
01:46:38.369 --> 01:46:42.430
the class. And so here we have our, our flagship,
2067
01:46:42.529 --> 01:46:46.189
you know, advanced carving class or advanced tech rival actually.
2068
01:46:47.270 --> 01:46:50.430
And it's Pat who has been, you know, we're trying
2069
01:46:50.449 --> 01:46:53.399
to get him up to, speed with the whole internet thing.
2070
01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:56.859
And then you got this captain of multimedia guy in
2071
01:46:56.899 --> 01:47:02.930
our class. And by halfway into day two, you know,
2072
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:04.989
you know, and John's a hell of a shooter, man.
2073
01:47:06.649 --> 01:47:09.689
And we've got all this physicality that people just don't
2074
01:47:09.710 --> 01:47:13.250
get on the square Bay, you know? And, uh, and
2075
01:47:13.270 --> 01:47:16.949
so it's, you know, it pushes everybody's shit in. Well, um,
2076
01:47:17.930 --> 01:47:19.449
so it's like, you got the guy that has like
2077
01:47:19.569 --> 01:47:23.100
all this reach on the internet and, being exposed to
2078
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:25.840
what the guy that's not all over the internet's actually
2079
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:28.539
doing where you know.
2080
01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:31.100
If we could just meet in the middle on this
2081
01:47:32.220 --> 01:47:34.500
this would just blow up because people don't get to
2082
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:37.140
do this for two days you know it's so hard
2083
01:47:37.180 --> 01:47:40.539
to find a place that has this capability and it's
2084
01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:40.800
not that.
2085
01:47:40.739 --> 01:47:43.020
We're teaching anything that's like super ninja it's just like
2086
01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:44.840
no this is how you run a gun you know
2087
01:47:44.859 --> 01:47:47.180
this is what the rifle's made to do and you're
2088
01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:48.180
going to actually get to do.
2089
01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:53.489
It um you know you guys already have that You
2090
01:47:53.529 --> 01:47:56.430
have you, you have Wayne. Oh, I have both on
2091
01:47:56.470 --> 01:47:57.449
primary and secondary.
2092
01:47:57.470 --> 01:47:59.979
Yep.
2093
01:48:00.659 --> 01:48:01.819
All you let's let's.
2094
01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:04.680
And we have, and we have James Stanton. He's our,
2095
01:48:05.020 --> 01:48:09.199
he's our photographer guy. Yeah. And a great dude. And
2096
01:48:09.500 --> 01:48:11.590
he showed up, he had picked up a drone and
2097
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:15.210
he got drone footage of them running the scrambler and
2098
01:48:15.229 --> 01:48:16.289
stuff out there in the quarry.
2099
01:48:16.609 --> 01:48:19.250
And we have a rifle two 70 drill.
2100
01:48:20.020 --> 01:48:23.699
Where we put an array out where you got three
2101
01:48:23.739 --> 01:48:26.159
quarter scales and they're about 75 to a hundred yards
2102
01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:31.590
out and you're firing, you're staying at feet planted and
2103
01:48:31.789 --> 01:48:34.229
on the tone of You have to engage one to
2104
01:48:34.250 --> 01:48:36.369
your front, one to your left, one to your right
2105
01:48:36.430 --> 01:48:39.289
without moving or turning your feet. So you're just twisting
2106
01:48:39.310 --> 01:48:41.409
your upper body around and trying to get the gun
2107
01:48:41.430 --> 01:48:47.939
around and shooting a wide, wide array. And it really,
2108
01:48:48.020 --> 01:48:50.739
it really kind of messes people up because they're.
2109
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:53.159
Shooting to their sides. They're shooting this direction. Now I
2110
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:55.359
have to shoot that direction and they're not shooting close,
2111
01:48:56.640 --> 01:48:57.359
not close at all.
2112
01:48:59.420 --> 01:49:01.689
We do, we do, we have to do a much
2113
01:49:01.729 --> 01:49:04.729
better job of getting that and pushing that information and
2114
01:49:05.609 --> 01:49:08.310
the footage and the pictures and whatnot out there to
2115
01:49:08.350 --> 01:49:11.550
get people drawn in. But, you know, it's hard whenever,
2116
01:49:13.869 --> 01:49:16.789
whenever the comp, I say the competition, it's not really competition,
2117
01:49:16.810 --> 01:49:20.590
but the others that are out there with such a
2118
01:49:20.630 --> 01:49:27.109
strong presence, they exist for the, for the exposure, not
2119
01:49:27.140 --> 01:49:27.720
for the training.
2120
01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:32.399
You know, um, Those are the ones that, you know,
2121
01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:34.899
if the lights go out, they're not going to be
2122
01:49:34.979 --> 01:49:39.220
out shooting and doing stuff. Cause like, what am I
2123
01:49:39.220 --> 01:49:39.520
going to do?
2124
01:49:39.579 --> 01:49:41.060
They'll be looking at their phone, trying to turn it
2125
01:49:41.180 --> 01:49:44.729
on when the lights aren't even turning on. Cause they're,
2126
01:49:44.739 --> 01:49:47.149
they're still in wrap, you know, engaged in and wrapped
2127
01:49:47.689 --> 01:49:51.390
in their whole lives wrapped around that phone. But then
2128
01:49:51.409 --> 01:49:54.750
you got other guys that are just doing it, doing
2129
01:49:54.770 --> 01:49:56.710
it to do it. They don't care about the exposure.
2130
01:49:57.909 --> 01:49:59.369
you know, and it seems a lot from the silent
2131
01:49:59.409 --> 01:50:01.550
professional aspect, not that I am.
2132
01:50:01.590 --> 01:50:10.590
One, but that's for certain they're silent. Okay. So, so, um, no,
2133
01:50:10.630 --> 01:50:11.529
go ahead, Steven.
2134
01:50:11.770 --> 01:50:12.949
I was just, I was going to say, you know,
2135
01:50:13.090 --> 01:50:15.630
so then you post your drone footage of two dudes
2136
01:50:15.750 --> 01:50:19.470
twisting around, you know, engaging targets and some dude posted
2137
01:50:19.510 --> 01:50:21.770
on social media and go, when I ever used this
2138
01:50:21.829 --> 01:50:24.130
so unrealistic, it was just a flash in the, just
2139
01:50:24.149 --> 01:50:26.069
all flash, no substance who would plant their feet and
2140
01:50:26.090 --> 01:50:27.069
do something so ridiculous.
2141
01:50:27.579 --> 01:50:32.039
It is stupid, and you get judged on an out-of-context video.
2142
01:50:32.890 --> 01:50:36.050
Yeah, so when that shit happens, you got to get
2143
01:50:36.090 --> 01:50:38.829
on there and say, actually, this is why this is applicable.
2144
01:50:39.189 --> 01:50:42.189
And if you're not really convinced, why don't you come
2145
01:50:42.210 --> 01:50:44.029
out and take a class?
2146
01:50:44.069 --> 01:50:46.409
You come out and you can– We'll give.
2147
01:50:46.329 --> 01:50:50.250
You half price, and your friend has to pay full price.
2148
01:50:50.350 --> 01:50:52.260
You two fuckers come out, and the proof is in
2149
01:50:52.300 --> 01:50:53.899
the pudding. Come out here, and we'll show you.
2150
01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:56.619
Then Chad says he's going to eat their soul.
2151
01:50:58.319 --> 01:50:59.979
Oh, that's true.
2152
01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.039
Hey, guys, for tonight, let's kind of wind this down
2153
01:51:02.060 --> 01:51:03.359
because some people need to head out.
2154
01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:05.100
But, hey, Prime.
2155
01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:06.199
We're on your schedule now?
2156
01:51:06.300 --> 01:51:10.039
Okay, fine. No, no. Other people need to be bolting here. So, Prime,
2157
01:51:10.060 --> 01:51:11.619
I got a question for you. Cool.
2158
01:51:12.659 --> 01:51:16.199
Does primary and secondary have a group resource where people
2159
01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:18.399
can avail themselves of training information?
2160
01:51:20.380 --> 01:51:20.760
I don't know.
2161
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:21.340
What do you mean?
2162
01:51:22.439 --> 01:51:23.899
Isn't there a group for training?
2163
01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:29.739
I think so. I think there might also be a forum, too.
2164
01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:32.359
Why don't you talk about those two things, and then
2165
01:51:32.789 --> 01:51:33.890
we'll all bug out.
2166
01:51:34.609 --> 01:51:37.350
Well, you see, we have this group here. I'm going
2167
01:51:37.369 --> 01:51:40.329
to pull it up on my computer. Let's see here.
2168
01:51:40.710 --> 01:51:41.630
Is it PNS Taco?
2169
01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:44.510
No, because that doesn't exist anymore.
2170
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:45.550
That doesn't exist anymore.
2171
01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:46.789
It took it away from me.
2172
01:51:47.350 --> 01:51:48.470
It took it away from you.
2173
01:51:48.489 --> 01:51:50.210
Somebody ate the taco.
2174
01:51:50.829 --> 01:51:55.510
Yes, it has been changed. It is the official SHOT Show. Yes,
2175
01:51:55.850 --> 01:52:04.710
SHOT 2017. P and S. P ampersand S hyphen training
2176
01:52:05.029 --> 01:52:08.850
is our Facebook group that discusses training. This is where
2177
01:52:08.890 --> 01:52:12.560
we can talk about Training. We can talk about instructions.
2178
01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:15.079
We can talk about instructors. We can talk about all
2179
01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:18.520
kinds of things. Everything about training. On the forum, we
2180
01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:24.250
have training sub-forums. We have AARs. We have all kinds
2181
01:52:24.289 --> 01:52:27.850
of stuff there. If you guys have questions about training,
2182
01:52:28.890 --> 01:52:31.529
we have resources for you. It's amazing how that works.
2183
01:52:32.850 --> 01:52:37.770
Don't you also post class information there?
2184
01:52:38.930 --> 01:52:43.399
We also have... We have our primary and secondary LLC page,
2185
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:49.760
which announces everything with the main efforts of primary and secondary.
2186
01:52:50.260 --> 01:52:54.270
We also have a page called primary and secondary administration
2187
01:52:54.390 --> 01:52:59.750
and logistics. And basically that is primarily announcements about classes,
2188
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about training issues. And so, yeah, any of the PSAL
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01:53:06.550 --> 01:53:10.109
training courses that we're putting together, uh, that would be Reston.
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01:53:10.149 --> 01:53:14.100
That would be, uh, let's see here. Who do we have?
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01:53:14.140 --> 01:53:16.100
We have Bill. We have Reston.
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Press check.
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01:53:18.380 --> 01:53:18.579
We are.
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01:53:18.619 --> 01:53:18.739
Yeah.
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01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:23.659
We have press check. I don't know if we have, um,
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01:53:24.100 --> 01:53:27.189
we have green line tactical with Don Edwards. Uh, we
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01:53:27.229 --> 01:53:29.909
have Matt Shockey and he hosts all types of people,
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01:53:30.510 --> 01:53:33.529
all types of instructors over in Eagle Lake, Texas. Um,
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01:53:34.189 --> 01:53:37.529
We also have our own brand, primary and secondary, with
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01:53:37.569 --> 01:53:40.350
a couple instructors that are just waiting to be hosted.
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01:53:40.909 --> 01:53:43.909
So if you guys are looking for training, if you're
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01:53:43.930 --> 01:53:46.590
looking to host someone, it's incredibly easy. We have instructors
2203
01:53:46.609 --> 01:53:49.430
just waiting to jump out of planes to get to
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01:53:49.470 --> 01:53:53.350
you to teach some classes. You tell us who you
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01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:55.600
want to have come out, give us the subject, and
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01:53:55.619 --> 01:54:01.680
we'll put that together. It's pretty painless. And ultimately, you
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01:54:01.699 --> 01:54:02.340
get a free spot.
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01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:05.529
I like it.
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01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:13.020
And if we didn't cover anything tonight that you're interested in,
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01:54:13.420 --> 01:54:18.550
fire off a calm shot to Matt, and we can
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01:54:18.970 --> 01:54:20.489
pick this up at another date, right, Matt?
2212
01:54:20.510 --> 01:54:28.869
Yeah, absolutely. Matter of fact, this was definitely a spur-of-the-moment modcast.
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01:54:29.130 --> 01:54:31.550
Just kind of threw it together. I think these might
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01:54:31.609 --> 01:54:34.539
be getting back... We might be doing these a little
2215
01:54:34.579 --> 01:54:37.319
bit more frequently now, especially because I'm running out of
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01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:41.319
material to edit and push out.
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01:54:42.340 --> 01:54:42.939
Wow.
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01:54:44.300 --> 01:54:47.560
Before I forget, just a quick question about the M
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01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:48.930
& P thing before we go.
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01:54:50.729 --> 01:54:52.029
Chad, specifically, if you have like an.
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01:54:52.109 --> 01:54:56.229
M & P or a Glock that is consistently printing left,
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01:54:56.289 --> 01:54:58.050
would it make a difference if you switch to a
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01:54:58.090 --> 01:55:00.949
right hand twist barrel if you're left eye dominant?
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01:55:03.140 --> 01:55:03.399
Yes.
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01:55:05.640 --> 01:55:06.100
There you go.
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01:55:13.270 --> 01:55:15.609
Just move the sights over. No, have the shooter move over.
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01:55:15.750 --> 01:55:16.789
Just have him over, yeah.
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01:55:16.989 --> 01:55:18.449
Okay, quick.
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01:55:18.550 --> 01:55:21.989
I had this shooter come in and he could not qualify.
2230
01:55:22.909 --> 01:55:24.689
And he was an older agent.
2231
01:55:25.890 --> 01:55:29.449
And he comes in with one of the one of
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01:55:29.470 --> 01:55:31.899
the instructors the instructor's like hey can you take a
2233
01:55:31.909 --> 01:55:33.520
look at this gun i'm like what's going on and
2234
01:55:33.539 --> 01:55:36.079
he's like and he's all over the place let's just
2235
01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:37.500
make sure nothing's wrong with the gun.
2236
01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:39.720
I'm like sure i got it you know i knew
2237
01:55:39.739 --> 01:55:40.619
what was happening.
2238
01:55:41.539 --> 01:55:43.319
And so uh i take a look at this gun
2239
01:55:44.359 --> 01:55:47.670
and uh i was like hey uh if you got
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01:55:47.710 --> 01:55:50.069
some you know it's gonna be a few minutes so
2241
01:55:50.090 --> 01:55:51.510
if you need to go make a phone call whatever
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01:55:51.529 --> 01:55:53.729
uh go ahead you know if you want to go
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01:55:53.750 --> 01:55:55.050
over there and drink some coffee in the range that's
2244
01:55:55.109 --> 01:55:57.479
cool man just chill out for a bit you know
2245
01:55:57.489 --> 01:55:59.239
give me 20 minutes to go through this gun.
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01:56:01.010 --> 01:56:05.250
He's like, all right, cool. So he walks out. Well,
2247
01:56:07.210 --> 01:56:08.789
I'm in there. I'll look at the gun. I'm like,
2248
01:56:08.810 --> 01:56:10.550
there's nothing wrong with this gun. So I just set
2249
01:56:10.569 --> 01:56:10.750
it down.
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01:56:10.789 --> 01:56:11.930
He comes back in 20 minutes.
2251
01:56:11.949 --> 01:56:14.939
I buzz him through the door. I got the gun
2252
01:56:14.979 --> 01:56:18.359
torn apart. And he's like, so you figured it out?
2253
01:56:18.380 --> 01:56:20.539
I'm like, I think I got it narrowed down.
2254
01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:23.960
I was like, hey, just hang tight. And I walk out.
2255
01:56:23.899 --> 01:56:26.899
Of the repair shop. I go across the way in
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01:56:26.939 --> 01:56:28.500
the cage where the vaults are at. And I go
2257
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:29.220
in there and.
2258
01:56:29.100 --> 01:56:29.789
I bug up.
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01:56:31.029 --> 01:56:34.909
Um oh god i don't remember what he goes by
2260
01:56:34.949 --> 01:56:38.359
on facebook anymore my old boss uh fred i go
2261
01:56:39.020 --> 01:56:41.659
i go in there and uh what's up i was
2262
01:56:41.699 --> 01:56:45.260
like oh god i just take apart the gun i'm
2263
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:47.880
like this dude just can't call and uh all i
2264
01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:49.199
do is i take the gun apart and i just
2265
01:56:49.420 --> 01:56:50.979
find the greasy parts i get on my hands i
2266
01:56:50.979 --> 01:56:53.560
just get my hands all dirty and i just wipe
2267
01:56:53.579 --> 01:56:55.810
some on my face you know and i turn my
2268
01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:58.279
head kind of sideways. Like I'm all stressed out and I.
2269
01:56:58.260 --> 01:57:00.380
Just grabbed his hammer. I started beating the shit out
2270
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:06.189
of his vice. Well, I pick up all the parts.
2271
01:57:06.409 --> 01:57:09.590
I walked back into the shop and And before I
2272
01:57:09.609 --> 01:57:11.890
walk into the shop, you know, I get a straight face.
2273
01:57:11.930 --> 01:57:13.550
I walk in with a big smile face. Like, I
2274
01:57:13.569 --> 01:57:14.750
think I got it. And he's like, really?
2275
01:57:14.770 --> 01:57:16.529
I was like, yeah, you don't want to know what
2276
01:57:16.550 --> 01:57:18.550
I just had to do, but just trust me. I
2277
01:57:18.590 --> 01:57:21.399
put the gun back together, cycle a few times, dry fire.
2278
01:57:21.420 --> 01:57:23.520
And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, it's better here.
2279
01:57:23.779 --> 01:57:25.720
Lock slide to your hand. So I'm like, try that out.
2280
01:57:25.859 --> 01:57:27.020
Go ahead. You just aim it at that wall.
2281
01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:29.739
So it really is a size. Oh man, this is nice.
2282
01:57:29.960 --> 01:57:30.659
Drive hard to come on.
2283
01:57:30.659 --> 01:57:31.899
I was like, oh sweet. And I was like, yeah.
2284
01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:33.600
And he's like, what do you, what do you do?
2285
01:57:33.619 --> 01:57:37.020
I was like, you don't want to know. But I
2286
01:57:37.060 --> 01:57:38.000
need you to do something for me.
2287
01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:40.000
I did my part. You need to do your part.
2288
01:57:40.079 --> 01:57:40.739
He's like, sure, man.
2289
01:57:40.810 --> 01:57:42.539
What's that? I go, I need you to go in there.
2290
01:57:43.250 --> 01:57:45.329
And I need you to grip that gun as tight
2291
01:57:45.409 --> 01:57:46.409
as you possibly can.
2292
01:57:46.430 --> 01:57:48.229
He's like, uh-huh.
2293
01:57:48.470 --> 01:57:51.470
I go, I tightened a few things up, but I
2294
01:57:51.489 --> 01:57:54.770
need that gun absolutely stable and stationary in space.
2295
01:57:54.470 --> 01:57:56.310
So it can lap back in as you shoot it.
2296
01:57:57.350 --> 01:57:59.229
He's like, all right. I was like, just take a breath,
2297
01:57:59.649 --> 01:58:01.939
break off clean shots, hang on to that gun as
2298
01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:03.340
though you're hanging on to the skin of the last
2299
01:58:03.380 --> 01:58:06.149
helicopter out of Don ang like fucking hang on to
2300
01:58:06.180 --> 01:58:08.680
that gun he's like all right he goes in there
2301
01:58:08.779 --> 01:58:12.640
shoots his qualifies he comes back in he's like hey
2302
01:58:12.659 --> 01:58:14.880
i don't know what you did but it was awesome
2303
01:58:14.899 --> 01:58:18.000
i was like that's great and he just his face
2304
01:58:18.119 --> 01:58:19.399
melts and he looks at me like you didn't do
2305
01:58:19.420 --> 01:58:21.399
a damn thing it was all me what i.
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01:58:21.350 --> 01:58:22.609
Go yep.
2307
01:58:24.010 --> 01:58:25.989
He's like you son of a bitch i go hey
2308
01:58:26.010 --> 01:58:30.930
man you're frustrated you're tired And you needed 20 minutes
2309
01:58:30.970 --> 01:58:33.109
just to reset. And then you just needed a glimmer
2310
01:58:33.140 --> 01:58:36.399
of hope that the gun was fixed. I just reaffirmed
2311
01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:38.260
what you needed to be doing, and you did it.
2312
01:58:38.260 --> 01:58:39.760
I fixed the gun.
2313
01:58:39.779 --> 01:58:43.880
I was like, thanks, man. Shook hands, and he walked
2314
01:58:43.899 --> 01:58:47.159
away happy. He wasn't pissed off or anything. Nice. That's
2315
01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:53.390
how you start. Go to that right-hand twist.
2316
01:58:53.430 --> 01:58:55.489
That's my inner bagger Vance right there.
2317
01:58:55.510 --> 01:58:56.250
Okay.
2318
01:58:59.449 --> 01:58:59.710
Nice.
2319
01:59:00.149 --> 01:59:04.109
And for reference, I'm in the middle of editing Modcast 70.
2320
01:59:04.109 --> 01:59:07.529
This is 75. So, yeah, I'm getting close to running
2321
01:59:07.569 --> 01:59:13.760
out of material. Did you get the tracker one up yet? No,
2322
01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:16.539
that one's not. Yeah, I probably won't edit that one
2323
01:59:16.579 --> 01:59:20.619
for a couple more episodes. It's still too fresh. As
2324
01:59:20.640 --> 01:59:23.649
a matter of fact, I did just edit the competition one.
2325
01:59:24.470 --> 01:59:25.949
That one, I don't know how I missed that one.
2326
01:59:26.710 --> 01:59:29.810
And so we're just waiting for YouTube to approve the
2327
01:59:30.149 --> 01:59:35.750
soundtrack to it because it's copyrighted or whatever music.
2328
01:59:37.250 --> 01:59:37.569
Got it.
2329
01:59:37.590 --> 01:59:40.939
But we have permission. The main dude that wrote it
2330
01:59:40.989 --> 01:59:43.340
or his band is one of our members. So I
2331
01:59:43.699 --> 01:59:44.319
don't know how it works.
2332
01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:47.319
That's cool. Is it Metallica?
2333
01:59:49.659 --> 01:59:50.159
It's Lars.
2334
01:59:51.739 --> 01:59:55.359
Oh, that's cool, man.
2335
01:59:56.699 --> 01:59:58.380
As long as it's not that footage of me saying
2336
01:59:58.420 --> 01:59:59.680
karaoke drunk.
2337
01:59:59.779 --> 02:00:05.729
Off my face. We can do that. No. No.
2338
02:00:06.430 --> 02:00:08.430
No, it's Dan Cord with American Hitmen.
2339
02:00:10.050 --> 02:00:12.149
Nice. Yeah, it's a cool name. Don't know who they are,
2340
02:00:12.170 --> 02:00:16.210
but I'll check them out. You should. Check them out. Hey, Terry,
2341
02:00:16.229 --> 02:00:19.800
send me that link. Yeah, can do. No problem, man. Thanks, man.
2342
02:00:19.810 --> 02:00:21.180
All right, I'm out.
2343
02:00:22.270 --> 02:00:26.319
Well, thanks for joining us. That was my cast number 75.
2344
02:00:26.319 --> 02:00:29.619
You can find us at primary and secondary.com. We have
2345
02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:34.140
a forum primary and secondary.com slash forum. We have 736
2346
02:00:34.140 --> 02:00:37.119
different Facebook groups. We're on iTunes.
2347
02:00:38.180 --> 02:00:38.560
What else?
2348
02:00:39.340 --> 02:00:43.409
We're on YouTube. We're right here.
2349
02:00:43.529 --> 02:00:44.250
We actually are.
2350
02:00:44.390 --> 02:00:48.510
I haven't deleted that, but it still exists. Instagram.
2351
02:00:50.270 --> 02:00:51.010
WikiLeaks.com.
2352
02:00:53.170 --> 02:00:57.300
Probably probably um probably probably no fly lists.
2353
02:00:58.260 --> 02:01:02.859
No that's that's roland um give us likes share the
2354
02:01:02.899 --> 02:01:05.619
stuff if you like it um it helps us out
2355
02:01:06.909 --> 02:01:10.670
give us some reviews we appreciate it and uh i
2356
02:01:10.689 --> 02:01:12.270
think that's it chad anything.
2357
02:01:12.989 --> 02:01:15.289
Man people are gonna really hate you and those emails drop.
2358
02:01:19.300 --> 02:01:19.840
They already do.
2359
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:21.819
Steve, anything?
2360
02:01:22.739 --> 02:01:24.859
No. Terry?
2361
02:01:27.739 --> 02:01:30.989
He's asleep, even though he just said something and chatted. No,
2362
02:01:31.710 --> 02:01:32.329
we're good.
2363
02:01:32.590 --> 02:01:34.229
Narco left. Okay. He'll hit you.
2364
02:01:34.810 --> 02:01:35.109
Okay.
2365
02:01:35.149 --> 02:01:35.869
Cool.
2366
02:01:35.890 --> 02:01:41.409
That was roofies. You're roofying yourself. All right, then.
2367
02:01:42.250 --> 02:01:43.829
That should do it. We'll talk to you soon.