#88 - Kailey Fitzmorris, Building a Team

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Hello there and thanks for joining me for episode 88 of Practically Ranching.
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I'm Matt Perrier, and we're here thanks to Dalebanks Angus, your home for practical profitable genetics since 1904.
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We're nearly sold out of our current group of 60 private treaty bulls, but we will be testing another small group in mid-April.
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After that, we'll have a few groups of some private treaty females, both fall and spring calvers throughout the spring and and summer.
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And then of course, mark your calendars for annual production sale on November the 21st, 2026.
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This week's guest is our local veterinarian, Dr.
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Kailey Fitzmorris.
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And as the episode title kind of indicates, Kailey is more than just a DVM, she is a team builder.
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She may not say it, but I think her actions show it, whether it is her staff or volunteer board members with whom she works, uh, experts in the animal health community, or even just those of us who she calls clients, it is fun to watch such a humble leader who surrounds herself with good people, keeps them excited and motivated, and relishes the opportunity to, to make life better for the animals and the people that are in her care.
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You know, we cover the obvious topics that one would with their veterinarian, uh, herd health protocols, the shortage of large animal vets in rural America, even hot topics like New World Screw Worm and Theileria or however you and your vet want to pronounce it.
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But the overarching theme of this conversation was probably bigger than just animal health and wellness.
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It kind of became investment a little bit on the business side and her growing business, but not necessarily just that, not just monetary investment, but investment in people, in community, in youth, in the future, uh, in other vets, in her clients.
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You know, on the day that we recorded this last week, uh, as she often does, Kailey had three vet students who happened to be shadowing her that day, and I think the next day she had a junior high school student doing the same.
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Later it'll be a 4- H club and a grade school class.
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And when it comes to building a team, Kaylee.
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Clearly isn't just in it for her own benefit today.
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She's in it for everybody else's benefit tomorrow.
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Just this week, I heard a basketball coach probably quote someone like Zig Ziglar and change it into his own, but he said"the best way to get what you want is to give others what they need." I think this really sums up Dr.
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Fitzmorris's leadership style pretty well.
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You know, a good veterinarian is a pivotal player on a Cattleman's team, but they can be a lot more than just the guy or gal who helps you save a sick animal when you need it.
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It was really fun for me to finally have a non-urgent conversation with my vet.
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I think you'll enjoy it as well as we talk about building a team with Dr.
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Kailey Fitzmorris
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Remember, because of the tiger.
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Oh yes, the lepto titer.
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Yes.
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No an anaplas.
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Anaplas, yes.
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They'll raise a tiger.
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I, I totally forgot about the spell check on titer.
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Yeah.
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It gets me on different words.
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Bulls is always bowls when you
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B-O-W-L-S.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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When I talk to Siri, she always puts bowls down.
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But we're not gonna fix the woes of AI and apple voice to text.
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No.
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Um, but we are gonna fix all of the animal health issues that have ever plagued any ranchers today.
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That'd be
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great.
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We'd make millions.
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Well just get ready because you're the one with the letters after and before their names.
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So I don't know about that.
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So tell me how and why Kailey Fitzmorris decided to be a veterinarian years ago.
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So I knew I wanted to be in the medical field.
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Um, I wasn't sure when I was in high school.
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I thought I wanted to be like an ophthalmologist Really?
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And work on people.
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Yeah.
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And then I, uh, got hired.
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I needed a summer job.
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So I got hired at Brackens Hog Farm in Fredonia and got to, uh, start working on animals.
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And I thought,"wow, this is awesome." So they, uh, really invested in us.
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There's three girls that worked there all in high school, and all three of us are veterinarians.
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So I'm the third of the three
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Holy smokes,
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um, just in a row.
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So they really pushed us and I realized I really liked working with both people in agriculture and just, uh, the variety that veterinary field offered.
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So that's what opened the door, and we kind of just went crazy following that one.
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Good.
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Well, the hog connection makes sense now because I remember Dr.
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Droge who had the practice here in Eureka for decades.
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I remember him saying, yeah, I've got a, a new vet student coming down to.
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And I can't remember if it was immediately work with him or did you?
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I went
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straight shadow or intern with him ever
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before.
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Uh, I, he, I never worked for him in the summers, but Okay.
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I, my husband, I don't know if we were married at the time, but he lives in Fredonia, so lived in Fredonia.
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So we, I would come home way more often than I should.
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Yeah.
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And stopped in here to see what he was doing almost every time.
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And he always had something for me to do.
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Good.
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So, um, after, you know, we started that relationship of, you know, him letting me do things and I thought, this is great.
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Good.
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So that's kind of what he was on the way home and then it just worked out great.
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It just kind of kept compounding from there.
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Awesome.
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Well, I just, I remember him saying that he had a young female vet that was interested in, in.
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Working into the practice, maybe purchasing the practice.
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And he, I said, um, food animal, large animal.
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He said, yeah, she wants to be a hog vet.
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I said, in Eureka, Kansas.
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But now I understand why you wanted to
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work on hogs.
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I'm glad I did not pursue the hog only thing.
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Uh, I would, you wouldn't have, I would be starving around here.
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One.
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Yeah, you
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wouldn't, wouldn't have ended up in Eureka.
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That was case two.
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It's not quite the variety that, you know, mixed animal practice offers.
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Well, when you say variety, you obviously have a lot.
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Offline.
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You were just telling me about having to lift up somebody's deer off of their porch.
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Wasn't
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taxidermy deer?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So are you getting into that business too, or
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you get'em back one way or another?
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That is always what, uh, I've seen people joke about that, but, um, uh, no, I'm out on that.
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I don't think I'm artistic enough for that endeavor.
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Oh gosh.
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Yeah,
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that's, but I have had people like bring in their cats and want'em to taxidermy and that I have convinced them every time not to, not to do that, so, wow.
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But their mixed animal practice offers all kinds.
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So
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I would say, I would say, I, I, I think most of us are wanting you to work on them to maintain their life.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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But every day has, every animal has the last days is what someone told me the other day, and I'm like, you're right.
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I mean, we all do.
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So that is true.
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That is true.
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We just, if we're coming to you, we're probably trying to prolong that and kick that as far down road as we can.
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I
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would agree.
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So that does bring up a good point because for so long, um, even when I was a kid, I, I kind of looked at our veterinarian as the person that we had to go see when something went wrong.
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And in my trek through the beef industry, I have learned that it's a whole lot better to have conversations with my vet.
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You.
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About how we keep from having to call you for an emergent or an urgent situation.
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Um, there's still gonna happen.
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Yes.
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And me, just like everybody else is going to text or call you outside of office hours and say, what in the world do I do?
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But it, that conversation's a whole lot easier if it's not the only time you've heard from me in the last six
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months.
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A hundred percent agree.
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I enjoy getting to talk to the producer outside of an emergency.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because then we talk about things more than just that one case.
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I mean, we're talking about management and what can we do to prevent things in the future.
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I mean, this year Theileria was a big thing and, uh, I convinced I have one stocker guy that we work with pretty closely, and we evaluate the data at the end of every year.
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Uh, you know, what antibiotics worked this year?
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What were they seeing?
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What, uh, sale barns did they get the cattle from?
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You know, who is the buyer?
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Uh.
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I mean, we break it down 30 different ways to see if we can find any trends.
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And I enjoy that process.
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One, just to be more involved in the data and see if we can help in the future years.
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I mean, what's past is past, but we can learn and move forward.
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But this year with the Theileria, we convinced them not to buy anything from, uh, you know, Missouri, Arkansas area.
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And I am so thankful we did because their treatment rates were n next to nothing.
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Um, where I had other producers lose almost 50% of the calves they bought.
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So.
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I enjoy those conversations and I think it, you know, it's beneficial to them and me, um, just to know what's going on in the operation and then be able to help'em from there too.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's the classic case of addressing the problem, not just the symptoms.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And so often we wait till we have a symptom or a critical time Right.
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To talk to you and, and yeah, it's a lot, you can do a lot more for us if we're looking long term and taking the emotions of that urgent
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Yes.
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Time out.
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And by the time, you know, we have a problem.
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And a lot of times it's too late to
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Right.
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When we're trying at that time, just put the fire out instead of getting ahead of it.
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So,
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yeah.
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So you, you brought up a disease that I think a lot of us...
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if we're aware of it, we've only recently become aware of it.
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Theileria?
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Yes.
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Which th th yeah.
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I
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maybe say the Kansas version.
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I'm not really sure, but I
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think you're probably saying it right.
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But T-H-I-L-E-R-I-A, whatever that word is.
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I think I spelled that right.
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Did I,
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I don't know.
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You're giving me T-H-E-I-L-E-R-I-A.
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Okay.
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Maybe that's, maybe I, I
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think Don't spell check this.
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Yeah.
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Maybe I switched a vowel.
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But anyway, A, you're, you're getting ready to have a meeting on this, and I'm gonna learn a lot more here in a couple weeks.
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But, um, tell us a little bit about Theileria and
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I'll do my best.
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Yeah.
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Um,
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what, what, you know, at this point, at this
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point, it's, uh, caused by the Asian Longhorn tick that came, uh, it was first, I think in 2014, found in Virginia.
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Um, and the symptoms that it causes are a lot like pls, um, or even like a respiratory like symptom where it.
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Uh, attacks the red blood cell and then they become anemic and then usually die from it in young cattle.
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But like in Virginia, they're not having any problems with it right now.
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It comes, becomes endemic to the area and then the cattle do fine.
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Um, but it's when you ship'em or stress'em, they break with it.
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And that's when we've seen it here is because they're shipping'em from the southeast, the stocker calves'cause we're in stocker country.
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Um, and then they break with it and there's no treatment in the United States right now.
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So, um, I think there's probably, that will be an up and coming topic, I'm sure in the next several years, um, especially as it spreads more to the west, but.
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And right now the vector is mainly that Asian longhorn tick.
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Correct.
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But it is a three host tick.
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So I mean, and uh, the female does, it can reproduce asexually so it doesn't need a male.
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So you can't, like redu release a sterile fly like New World screwworm, you can release a sterile flies and attack it that way because it doesn't need a male.
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Yeah.
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And so it can just produce on its own.
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And then, you know, wildlife is huge so we can't control the wildlife also.
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So it can be on deer and mice.
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It's not like we can just control it with cattle.
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So it's gonna be a booger, I think for them to figure out how to control.
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I think it's gonna be one we kind of deal with like Anaplas.
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And so like pl, I assume that naive populations when a tick comes into those is carrying
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Yes.
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Theileria.
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Um, they're probably.
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Gonna get hit harder than Yes.
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An area, like you said in Virginia that looks like they've almost built some tolerance or resistance to
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it.
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Is that, yeah, I mean they, is that fair?
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Yeah.
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They, once they're, I think once they're, they've been exposed to it, they get over it, they're good to go.
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So, and I, I guess needle transmission is also pretty significant, which makes sense.
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Also in the stocker guys.
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'cause a lot of times you just work, you know, your 50 head, so you kind of like Anaplas transmit it through the needle too.
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So if they were naive to it and then get infected with it, they're just having all sorts of problems.
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Incubation time on that through a needle.
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I thought it was like two weeks, but don't quote me on that one.
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Yeah, but a fairly typical
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Yeah,
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yeah.
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Pretty two to three week type of
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Yep.
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It's pretty
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incubation.
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Pretty.
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And so that would be one more thing.
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Like so many other bloodborne diseases.
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Um, you
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mentioned anaplas, bovine leukosis virus, that there
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is value and we've been changing needles here for eight or 10 years.
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Yes.
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The first year we started doing it, I was like, oh my gosh, this is, this is awful.
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And now I can't imagine not Yes.
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Switching needles between every calf, between every cow.
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And, and uh, it's one of those things that the first year you do it, you think you're never gonna be able to get used to it and pay for it and get rid of the old needles, et cetera, et cetera.
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But
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you guys are quick at it now.
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I mean, you don't even know that you're switching needles.
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Yeah.
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You get used to it.
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And, and, um, with so many of these bloodborne diseases out there, it's just one more of those risk management Yep.
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Things that become a cost of doing business.
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Not easy, but, uh, a whole lot easier worth in the long run.
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Yes.
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A whole lot easier than losing a five,$6,000,$10,000 cow.
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Exactly.
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Or bull, or whatever the case may be.
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So it's gonna be something that's probably in this area.
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And, and where is, I mean we have listeners from all over the world, but mainly in the United States.
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Where are the areas you talked about Virginia was the first area that Theileria was found.
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Southeast is mostly where it is right now.
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I think they said there's like 15 or 16 states with it.
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And Kansas would be at the northwest region of,
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yeah.
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I don't know if there was anywhere past us.
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I feel like we were on the edge of it right now.
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Okay.
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But similar to anaplas in that it seems to move northwest with every few years.
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Yeah.
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That there's new cases in areas that people said, well, we've never heard of anaplas.
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Yes.
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And now we're probably gonna see the same with Tyler area.
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One more thing to keep us on our toes.
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One more reason.
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It's never
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changing.
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To stay in contact with our veterinarian, I guess.
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That's
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fair.
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Yeah.
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the other new one, and the other one that you're gonna talk about at this meeting or your folks are gonna talk about is New World Screw Worm.
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Mm-hmm.
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What is the most recent status report on that?
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I know, you know, obviously Texas and the states bordering Mexico are the most concerned about that and have the border shut down still to imported Mexican cattle.
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What are you seeing and hearing on the sterile fly production?
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I heard the, the
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Texas, Texas facility recently opened or is getting near opening, so I think at least they have a way to, you know.
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Beat it once in the fifties.
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When was that?
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When it was so,
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yeah, I believe so.
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It blows my mind that they knew the technology then to stop something like that.
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But
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we let off the gas.
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Yeah.
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Mexico let off the gas somebody wasn't releasing.
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Right.
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These, so I heard the Texas one was open, I think now though, so I'm hoping that they can keep it south across the border.
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But
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yeah, hopefully.
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Did your dad ever deal with any of that?
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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He talks about having to catch baby calves when he was a kid, and, um, doctor navels and, and everything else.
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Just to
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prevent them.
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Uh, both they would do it to prevent them, but then also they would have some that would affect the, and the, he said, you know, you didn't dare cut calves from the spring through the summer and into the early fall because any kind of open wound was gonna get attracted.
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That makes sense.
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Screw worm.
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And, um, so yeah,
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well, I heard people like used to tar'em and everything and I've been on operations where they tarred'em and I just, I didn't quite get why until now.
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I'm like, oh, it makes sense now I get why they were doing it.
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Yeah.
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The guys that, uh, that roped all these calves said that, um, it would make for darn good rope horses because you got really handy because all summer long treating you were a doctor and screw worm.
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Yeah.
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And, uh,
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makes sense.
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So yeah, maybe, maybe we'll finally start making good horses again, thanks to the, you've always gotta find the silver lining, right?
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I like it.
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Yeah.
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I'm not sure I do.
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I, and I don't mind roping calves, but, yeah, I'm not sure I wanted, I
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don't want to be
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forced to do that.
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Don't, no.
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I mean, you guys are already catching all your new calves, but
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so a lot of
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people aren't.
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Right.
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Before we totally leave these two diseases that we talked about.
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Give a plug, I guess, for just the veterinary community and how best if somebody's sitting here going, I only call the vet when I've got calving difficulty, right?
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Or when I've got a cow that's down, or whatever the case may be.
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How, how's the best way to A, find a veterinarian that you feel comfortable working with, and B, sit down from, from a DVM standpoint and, and, and plan for the inevitable that, you know, what can we do to prevent as much as we can prevent,
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right?
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And what do we need to do when you do need to call me with an urgent scenario?
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How, how do you start that conversation?
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So I think the best thing to do is your local veterinarian.
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I mean, in your closest town.
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There's a lot of people that, you know, go out and, uh, are, you know, don't have a practice.
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They may just be in a truck, which makes it maybe a little more difficult.
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But the ones that have, you know, a building.
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You know, they're always gonna be around there.
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And if they're local to you, it's easier for them to get to you.
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Where if you're using someone you know, two hours away, it's gonna take it takes time for them to get there.
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One, sometimes they can't get to you and it's just easier and you're local veterinarians gonna appreciate it more than, more than anybody.
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Just to make that relationship.
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Slow Times for us are February and July, so I'm gonna put a plug in there August, if you have time.
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In those months I would go contact your veterinarian during those times.
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'cause they would be more willing to sit down, you know, when March is calving pregging season and then it's just go, go, go, go, go.
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Probably not the best time to have those conversations, but um, if you call and schedule it with them, they can sit down with you.
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They have no, I would say most of'em don't have any problems sitting down with you and discussing any concerns you might have or just get to know your operation.
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So I could hear several people, maybe hundreds of people yelling at their pickup radio.
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The closest local vet I have is two hours away.
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Well, that's fair.
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The more rural you are, the more complicated it is for sure.
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So how is that?
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I mean, we hear and read in the press about there's such a shortage of food animal, large animal practitioners today and, and it's legit now.
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I used to be trumpeting that the loudest until you showed up and uh, well, thank you.
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We
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appreciate it
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today.
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We're very blessed here in Greenwood County and now Elk County, you've got three different practices, right?
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Well we have three
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practices.
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Yeah.
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And, um, and seemed to still be expanding, but for years we saw the same thing.
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It was very difficult to get in and get, um,, help when we needed it.
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Why is that what I think I know, or I have my, my opinions as to why we are so short on large animal food, animal practitioners across the nation.
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what is it from your standpoint and why is it that you decided that you wanted to fill that void?
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I feel like this is a big can of worms.
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I have, we have three vet students behind me
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that
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are kind, true
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staring at, at me.
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I should have, uh, what, what would you tell them that they should be doing to help, uh, help us poor ranchers out here who need that?
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Um, and what do the ranchers need to do to make sure that we do have vets coming in to
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the, there's not a quick and easy answer to this.
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I, I mean, I know the state legislation is trying to push rural veterinarians back into Kansas.
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But it starts, I feel like we need to put effort into the young people, make sure that they have an interest in animal agriculture.
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Push'em to go to college if that's something they wanna pursue.
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Let uh kids come to the vet clinic and see what they are getting into.
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just try to spark the interest young and then try to get people back to your home community.
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Um, it's hard to get people into your rural area if you're not from there.
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You know how rural areas can be kind of cliquey.
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Yep.
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Um, so your best chance is to invest in someone local.
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And I've heard of all sorts of ways to get people back to the new community.
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I had a kid in my school that their community was paying for their schooling, um, to get'em back to the area.
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So, I mean, I think there's creative ways to get a veterinarian to your area.
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Um, the state has gotten involved in Kansas anyway, and uh, if you go back to a rural, community, they pay.
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25,000.
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One of our, for four years, you have to work there for four years.
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Mm-hmm.
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For four years after vet school, they'll pay$25,000 a year towards your school.
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Um, vet school's getting crazy expensive.
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I think the average is probably$250,000 coming outta school in debt.
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Wow.
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Um, so it's difficult for a veterinarian to come to a rural area when the average mixed animal salary's probably 70,000, right now, and, the corporate veterinarians are getting paid 150,$200,000 outta school.
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So you're taking a huge pay cut right off the bat, just wanting to move to a rural area.
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So if you had someone invest in you and help pay for your schooling, it would make it easier.
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Um, USDA also has programs that once you graduate you can apply for if you're in a area of need, um, to get.
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Vets back to a small town.
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So that's also helpful.
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And I actually got that grant, once I graduated, so that helped.
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and I was also fortunate enough to get a scholarship in school, called the Byers' Ranch Scholarship, and they paid for all my books and tuition.
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But you still had your living expenses and undergrad to pay for, so
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Sure.
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USDA helped with that program.
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How much does the vet do the vet schools themselves have to do with, the lack of, or the lopsided nature of companion animal?
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I mean, compared to mixed animal,
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I think a lot.
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I mean, we're opening up like, can worms with that one too?
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Can, can
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they still take your license away?
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I, I don't, don't know.
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I hope not, but
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I think you're safe.
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You're safe.
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Definitely the applicants they're putting in, I mean, I, I feel like it's improving.
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But, uh, there's.
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I would say only 15% of the people in my class wanted to be mixed or large animal veterinarians.
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Is that probably pretty accurate for you girls or about half?
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About half.
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Half.
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So it's improved a lot just from where I was.
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Okay.
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Um, I would say, I don't know how they, how they change those requirements to let other, you know,'cause they put so much emphasis on grades and, which is good, but, you know, you're probably getting some students that would be great.
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Veterinarians just not be able to get into school.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I re I remember hearing from, and, and this was a, um, animal science undergrad who applied to vet school and didn't get in.
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Mm-hmm.
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And this individual wanted to be a large animal practitioner, would've been a great one.
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And they talked about in their interview, and maybe they were just testing'em, but.
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They said that they wanted to just be a food animal practitioner and, you know, ended up doing some small animal, companion animal, right.
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But, but mainly a food animal.
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Cattle and horse practitioner.
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And the person interviewing them said, why, why would you want to do that?
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This was in the late nineties, maybe early two thousands.
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And uh, they took that as the vet school basically telling them that's the dumbest idea Yeah.
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That we could think of.
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And, you know, if that was accurate and if there was even that, perception on account of, of vet students, well then most of'em probably would.
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Why would Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sh shrugged their shoulders and look at the dollars and cents.
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And, and that's the other thing, we can sit around as ranchers and talk about woe is me all we want, how expensive it is to take an animal to the veterinarian or whatever the case may be.
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But it has to be economics.
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Yes.
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And we have to do our part too, in supporting these food animal, large animal type of, of practices, and, and being honest with ourselves that this cow is no longer worth a thousand bucks.
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Exactly.
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She's worth four.
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Right.
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Or more.
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And this calf is no longer worth 500 bucks.
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He's worth 2,500.
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Yeah.
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Or three.
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And, and depending on how old he is.
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And so it, we nobody likes to spend any money on anything.
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No, they don't have to.
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But the flip side of that is if, if those suburban couples are willing to pay the exorbitant fees that they are for a vet to work on FruFru the dog.
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Yes.
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Or cat or whatever the case may be.
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Economics does end up playing it.
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It rules the day.
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Yeah.
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And whether somebody wants the goodness of their heart to practice in rural America on large animals or not, they do have to pay the bills.
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Yes.
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And so we have to recognize that all the government subsidies and grants and everything else in the world may not be able to cover that gap if they can go and make a couple hundred thousand in Johnson County, Kansas.
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Right.
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Versus 70,000 in Greenwood County, Kansas.
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Uh,
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it's a sizable gap that you would have to make up a
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difference.
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Exactly.
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And so, yeah, I think it's just like so many problems, just like the same problems that you and I deal with on animal health.
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It's multifaceted.
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Yes.
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There are a lot of different angles that, that we have to approach this with.
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Not any one of them will do it on their own.
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Right.
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Um, but you know, I, I think the piece that you talked about of getting vet students or even high school college age kids that are possibly interested in large animal practice, getting them out here and seeing that firsthand and, and, um, educating them about what it is we do in agriculture.
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'cause sometimes they may not have grown up on a farm ranch.
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Right.
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I assume there are probably not very many large animal practitioners who didn't at least grow up in rural America, or is
00:28:12.686 --> 00:28:13.166
that rural America?
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I think, yeah.
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Like for you, you grew up in Coyville, Kansas,
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the booming metropolis, yes.
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Population
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50 maybe,
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but not necessarily on a farm,
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ranch.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Mom was a
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principal
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teacher and principal
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and, and dad was in oil.
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So you would be one of the few that didn't grow up with cows or hogs, or horses or whatever the case may be.
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Found a passion quickly.
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Yeah.
00:28:37.035 --> 00:28:40.065
Thanks to the Brackens and yeah, maybe some others.
00:28:40.125 --> 00:28:43.664
Uh, but that's probably the exception, not the norm.
00:28:43.785 --> 00:28:44.265
I would agree.
00:28:44.835 --> 00:28:45.105
Yeah.
00:28:45.588 --> 00:28:46.729
So it's, yeah.
00:28:46.878 --> 00:28:47.088
I
00:28:47.088 --> 00:28:48.259
invest in the young people.
00:28:48.378 --> 00:28:48.888
Yeah.
00:28:48.888 --> 00:29:00.378
Try to, I, I think that in so many different ways, but specific to this conversation, invest in the young people and at, at some point it'll be returned.
00:29:00.439 --> 00:29:00.679
Yes.
00:29:00.679 --> 00:29:02.298
It may not be immediate, but it'll be returned
00:29:02.298 --> 00:29:03.048
and get creative.
00:29:03.048 --> 00:29:10.413
I mean, if you, if a community really wants a veterinarian, I mean, there's enough ranchers and some of these communities that
00:29:11.003 --> 00:29:12.253
come together and Yeah.
00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:16.068
Put the carrot out there and, and basically buy one.
00:29:16.308 --> 00:29:17.269
Pretty much, yeah.
00:29:17.749 --> 00:29:18.739
I mean, pretty much that's,
00:29:18.858 --> 00:29:26.088
we invest in so many other things, land or whatever resources it is that we need to do our daily business.
00:29:26.088 --> 00:29:31.429
That's, that's an investment that may have to be made and, and a creative way to, to do that.
00:29:32.584 --> 00:29:42.394
So creativity, um, you moved back here to Eureka or to the area and bought the practice how many years ago?
00:29:42.574 --> 00:29:44.013
So I worked for Dr.
00:29:44.013 --> 00:29:44.584
Drogie.
00:29:44.644 --> 00:29:48.153
I came right outta school in 2014 is when I came and worked for him.
00:29:48.153 --> 00:29:51.064
And then I bought the clinic in 2017.
00:29:51.423 --> 00:29:59.074
And that was a one clinic practice, and you had Flyin' 3 as you, that was your original,
00:29:59.074 --> 00:30:00.544
that was the original name, yeah.
00:30:00.604 --> 00:30:01.443
Right off the bat.
00:30:01.503 --> 00:30:03.243
And now you have three?
00:30:03.273 --> 00:30:03.483
Yeah.
00:30:03.483 --> 00:30:04.653
So I, I guess we're done practice.
00:30:04.653 --> 00:30:05.074
I don't know.
00:30:05.729 --> 00:30:05.949
You,
00:30:06.753 --> 00:30:08.223
you can, if you had one
00:30:08.223 --> 00:30:09.933
initially we called flying three.
00:30:09.933 --> 00:30:11.134
We veterinarians.
00:30:11.138 --> 00:30:11.909
Yeah, that, I mean, that's right.
00:30:11.909 --> 00:30:14.463
Mean it was just me initially right after I bought from Dr.
00:30:14.463 --> 00:30:17.794
Droge and then I hired two more and I'm like, oh, now it makes sense.
00:30:17.794 --> 00:30:21.634
And then we've had some rework structure of veterinarians.
00:30:21.634 --> 00:30:26.584
So now we have three vet, three vet clinics and several veterinarians.
00:30:26.584 --> 00:30:27.933
I think there's five maybe.
00:30:28.471 --> 00:30:34.821
why the quick, relatively speaking quick, growth and how did that work?
00:30:34.882 --> 00:30:40.971
And tell us about that, going from a practice that you weren't sure that would support maybe.
00:30:41.271 --> 00:30:41.811
Yeah.
00:30:41.811 --> 00:30:41.872
It
00:30:41.872 --> 00:30:42.021
was
00:30:42.021 --> 00:30:45.862
one to three of you and now all of a sudden you have three that's supporting five DVMs.
00:30:45.862 --> 00:30:49.251
There's just been a, our, our community has been great.
00:30:49.281 --> 00:30:51.021
Um, they've been very supportive.
00:30:51.382 --> 00:30:52.701
Um, Dr.
00:30:52.711 --> 00:30:54.112
Droge's a big guy.
00:30:54.172 --> 00:30:55.882
Uh, he's six eight maybe.
00:30:55.912 --> 00:30:56.001
Mm-hmm.
00:30:56.662 --> 00:30:57.892
Just a big man.
00:30:57.892 --> 00:31:03.511
So, uh, he was getting a little bit older and just didn't want to do, large animal as much.
00:31:03.571 --> 00:31:07.291
Just it's hard on his body to get into a chute, get through the chute.
00:31:07.682 --> 00:31:09.422
Um, he didn't do any sale barn work.
00:31:09.521 --> 00:31:12.221
But that's kind of what I wanted to do with large animal.
00:31:12.672 --> 00:31:23.201
And unfortunately, other veterinarians in the area also passed away or quit, and so suddenly I was the only vet within probably three counties that would do large animals.
00:31:23.217 --> 00:31:28.287
So the demand grew quickly, way quicker than I ever would've anticipated.
00:31:28.287 --> 00:31:32.287
And, um, other veterinarians wanted to quit practice, just retire.
00:31:32.287 --> 00:31:39.037
And so instead of letting them not have a veterinarian, I thought, well, heck, surely we can find a vet to work there.
00:31:39.576 --> 00:31:45.007
And I've been very lucky to be able to recruit veterinarians and, uh, keep'em fairly busy.
00:31:45.007 --> 00:31:51.247
So I, the growth has been just pretty much straight uphill.
00:31:51.576 --> 00:31:51.967
Um.
00:31:52.027 --> 00:31:57.576
Um, managing three has been a little more hectic than what I anticipated.
00:31:57.576 --> 00:31:59.017
I really enjoy being a veterinarian.
00:31:59.436 --> 00:32:04.807
Business owner is not my favorite thing, but it's kind of, they don't teach you much of that in school.
00:32:04.866 --> 00:32:09.307
So the learning curve on that's been pretty steep, but slowly we're figuring it out, I think.
00:32:09.767 --> 00:32:21.557
Well, you used the word luck a lot and um, I had a high school football coach who used to say, luck is that exact time when preparation meets opportunity.
00:32:21.886 --> 00:32:23.356
We've had lots of opportunity.
00:32:23.356 --> 00:32:28.517
You've had lots of opportunity, but you had prepared whether you prepared for the business part or not.
00:32:28.517 --> 00:32:29.386
Definitely
00:32:29.386 --> 00:32:29.747
not,
00:32:30.406 --> 00:32:31.846
but you figured out a way.
00:32:31.846 --> 00:32:40.906
And I think that that's one of those things, not just in in practicing vet medicine or even ranching or anything else, but.
00:32:42.092 --> 00:32:43.741
There are those opportunities.
00:32:43.771 --> 00:32:44.821
Not everybody sees'em.
00:32:44.852 --> 00:32:50.612
No, or not everybody has the tolerance for risk to take that opportunity and run with it.
00:32:50.642 --> 00:32:58.862
And, um, quite often those are the businesses, regardless of segment of our industry or outside of agriculture.
00:32:58.862 --> 00:33:03.842
Those are the businesses that, um, that are able to, to grow and to thrive.
00:33:03.842 --> 00:33:23.221
And, and I think that that is a lesson here we jump from talking about how nobody wants to live the life of a poor, rural veterinarian to now you are the queen of Southeast Kansas veterinary medicine.
00:33:23.251 --> 00:33:23.311
Yeah.
00:33:24.031 --> 00:33:27.021
Um, there, there's, there's a gap there too.
00:33:27.092 --> 00:33:30.721
But I think that we have to recognize that they're, you know.
00:33:31.906 --> 00:33:34.426
There's a lot of opportunities there.
00:33:34.517 --> 00:33:38.446
Uh, if somebody is willing to enter large animal practice Yeah.
00:33:38.446 --> 00:33:44.146
And hustle and make smart decisions because yeah, there are a lot of vets just like Dr.
00:33:44.166 --> 00:33:49.606
Droge that are reaching an age that they don't, they don't need or want to be doing this.
00:33:49.787 --> 00:33:49.936
Correct.
00:33:49.967 --> 00:33:50.777
Much longer.
00:33:50.836 --> 00:33:51.076
Yep.
00:33:51.076 --> 00:33:57.856
And so there's the, the opportunity's ripe as I turn over my shoulder and look at these young vet students.
00:33:58.037 --> 00:33:58.096
We're
00:33:58.096 --> 00:33:59.926
trying, we're recruiting them too, so that's
00:33:59.926 --> 00:34:00.166
good.
00:34:00.497 --> 00:34:01.217
That's good.
00:34:01.967 --> 00:34:06.676
So all three of these said vet students are that are over my shoulder.
00:34:06.886 --> 00:34:08.027
Like you are female?
00:34:08.146 --> 00:34:08.536
Yes.
00:34:09.077 --> 00:34:13.396
Um, I don't know when I was a kid that I knew of any.
00:34:13.742 --> 00:34:22.172
Large animal practitioners who were female, and yet now this appears to be, at least in this particular room Yeah.
00:34:22.291 --> 00:34:24.242
Is definitely, definitely the majority.
00:34:24.692 --> 00:34:29.342
How has that been to come into an area that, I mean, I'll call a spade.
00:34:29.342 --> 00:34:31.831
A spade is a man's world.
00:34:31.831 --> 00:34:31.891
Yeah.
00:34:31.922 --> 00:34:40.172
Right here in, at least in southeast Kansas, and especially in working with cattle and horses and be a lady.
00:34:40.262 --> 00:34:42.842
How, how did, how did you broach that?
00:34:42.902 --> 00:34:44.552
Uh, has it been a hindrance?
00:34:44.552 --> 00:34:46.322
Has it been an opportunity?
00:34:46.442 --> 00:34:46.891
What's around
00:34:47.041 --> 00:34:47.311
here?
00:34:47.311 --> 00:34:54.510
I had zero issue, I think if, producers, she used me initially, uh, because there wasn't probably another option.
00:34:54.704 --> 00:35:00.945
And then they thought, oh, she's willing, like, if, if you're willing, I don't think the sex of you mattered at all.
00:35:00.945 --> 00:35:04.485
I mean, I don't mind doing about anything.
00:35:04.485 --> 00:35:10.889
So, everybody around this area had zero issue with it, at least that I knew of.
00:35:10.889 --> 00:35:14.820
And I mean, we, I didn't have an issue whatsoever, I don't think.
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:15.000
Yeah.
00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:16.050
Well, it's good.
00:35:16.050 --> 00:35:29.329
It's clear that even those, either those of us or those of them, however we wanna look at this, that may have said, oh, lady Vet and Eureka Kansas, uh, I don't know if this is gonna work.
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:29.690
Right.
00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:35.750
All it took was one or two trips to see you at work to go, okay.
00:35:35.755 --> 00:35:35.945
Yeah.
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:36.559
Yeah.
00:35:36.590 --> 00:35:37.130
She's our vet.
00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:37.190
Yeah.
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:48.956
And I think that, that, even though, and, and by nature, human nature, unfortunately our prejudice in a lot of different ways Yeah.
00:35:48.956 --> 00:35:49.827
Of anything different.
00:35:49.916 --> 00:35:50.186
Yes.
00:35:50.186 --> 00:35:50.936
Doesn't matter.
00:35:50.936 --> 00:35:54.652
I'm not talking race, I don't changing gender, I something just change.
00:35:54.791 --> 00:35:55.012
Yes.
00:35:55.016 --> 00:35:55.027
Yeah.
00:35:55.047 --> 00:35:56.186
It's something different.
00:35:56.186 --> 00:35:57.266
Something changed.
00:35:57.266 --> 00:36:19.197
Somebody moved our cheese, and then as soon as that a new thing, whether it's breed of cattle, type of equipment, pickup, truck, veterinarian gender, whatever the case may be, as soon as that different object proves that it works as well or better, we're game on.
00:36:19.257 --> 00:36:19.347
Right.
00:36:19.347 --> 00:36:27.117
I mean, and so I think that that's something that, um, quite often we kind of try to throw folks into a bucket.
00:36:27.117 --> 00:36:30.086
They are this or they are that, they're rural, they're urban.
00:36:30.086 --> 00:36:34.407
They're from a ranch, they're from a farm, they're a hog vet, not a cattle vet.
00:36:34.407 --> 00:36:35.306
Whatever the case may be.
00:36:35.306 --> 00:36:40.376
And then all of a sudden, as, as long as we are willing to give it a try, give them a try, give them an opportunity.
00:36:40.916 --> 00:36:41.157
Yeah.
00:36:41.157 --> 00:36:43.496
I mean, it's Katie Bar the door.
00:36:43.556 --> 00:36:43.646
Yeah.
00:36:43.646 --> 00:36:44.817
Let's roll on.
00:36:44.817 --> 00:36:51.536
And, and I think that that has, um, so now you have two of your three, well, let's see, you've got five total.
00:36:52.106 --> 00:36:52.376
Is it
00:36:52.646 --> 00:36:53.277
fi three
00:36:53.277 --> 00:36:53.396
or five?
00:36:53.396 --> 00:36:53.547
The fifth
00:36:53.547 --> 00:36:55.976
one is starting in, uh, June.
00:36:56.067 --> 00:36:56.336
Okay.
00:36:57.416 --> 00:37:01.166
Right now we don't have a vet in Moline, so we have like substitutes.
00:37:01.166 --> 00:37:01.887
You're covering that in there.
00:37:01.887 --> 00:37:03.416
So I'm there one day a week.
00:37:03.447 --> 00:37:05.666
There's a vet from Wichita one day a week.
00:37:06.036 --> 00:37:08.766
The previous owner of the practice is there one day a week.
00:37:08.766 --> 00:37:10.896
And then my sister-in-law's also a veterinarian.
00:37:10.896 --> 00:37:11.856
She's there one day a week.
00:37:11.856 --> 00:37:14.976
So that's a mass chaos down there.
00:37:14.976 --> 00:37:15.306
But
00:37:15.757 --> 00:37:15.876
it's
00:37:15.876 --> 00:37:16.822
you getting it done almost.
00:37:16.822 --> 00:37:17.737
There's gonna be five of us.
00:37:17.737 --> 00:37:18.097
Yes.
00:37:18.157 --> 00:37:18.217
Yeah.
00:37:18.277 --> 00:37:20.317
And three of those five will be female.
00:37:20.797 --> 00:37:21.217
Yes.
00:37:21.396 --> 00:37:21.666
Yep.
00:37:21.876 --> 00:37:22.177
Yep.
00:37:22.387 --> 00:37:24.260
So you've still got a majority.
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:25.219
Still have majority.
00:37:25.219 --> 00:37:25.280
Yeah.
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:25.610
Barely.
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:27.019
Yeah, barely.
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:34.719
But, again,, if the work is getting done and getting done well, I don't think that any ranch, ranch don't, people care is gonna be choo.
00:37:34.929 --> 00:37:35.739
I don't care.
00:37:35.739 --> 00:37:35.800
No.
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:36.010
Yeah.
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.510
So that's that's great.
00:37:37.510 --> 00:37:47.056
And, and in some ways I would say that, whether it be coming from outside of ranching or.
00:37:47.461 --> 00:37:56.251
Whatever it is that makes you a little bit different, makes you a little less biased, that's probably a really good thing as a vet.
00:37:56.251 --> 00:37:56.311
Yeah.
00:37:56.492 --> 00:37:59.632
To be able to look at things from a little more Yeah.
00:37:59.632 --> 00:38:01.371
Unbiased approach and, and,
00:38:01.461 --> 00:38:03.291
and sometimes not knowing.
00:38:03.291 --> 00:38:05.577
I mean, that's the way things have always been done and just,
00:38:05.632 --> 00:38:05.902
yeah.
00:38:06.197 --> 00:38:08.737
You know, well, didn't, am I supposed to know that play?
00:38:08.737 --> 00:38:08.896
Yeah.
00:38:09.322 --> 00:38:12.141
How long are you gonna get to still play that card though, Kaylee?
00:38:12.141 --> 00:38:13.251
I think another five years at least.
00:38:16.251 --> 00:38:21.172
It's an advantage when you come into a new community and even though you're just.
00:38:21.786 --> 00:38:24.367
20 miles, 30 miles away from where you grew up.
00:38:24.367 --> 00:38:25.686
It's still We didn't know you.
00:38:25.777 --> 00:38:26.166
No.
00:38:26.166 --> 00:38:26.947
And you didn't know us.
00:38:26.947 --> 00:38:32.797
And I, I really enjoy having kind of like my personal life separate from my work life almost.
00:38:32.797 --> 00:38:33.126
I mean,
00:38:33.126 --> 00:38:34.117
probably not a bad thing.
00:38:34.146 --> 00:38:35.677
It works out really well.
00:38:36.246 --> 00:38:36.516
Yeah.
00:38:36.786 --> 00:38:37.056
Yeah.
00:38:37.117 --> 00:38:47.286
I hadn't really thought about that, that maybe living outside of the community, even though it's just 15 or 20 miles outside is probably not a, not a bad thing.
00:38:47.286 --> 00:38:49.507
Sometimes we get so invested in.
00:38:50.181 --> 00:38:51.472
Every community group.
00:38:51.476 --> 00:38:51.597
Yes.
00:38:51.597 --> 00:38:56.277
And every school function and everything else, that it's almost too close for comfort.
00:38:56.306 --> 00:38:56.597
It's
00:38:56.597 --> 00:38:56.757
too close.
00:38:56.757 --> 00:38:56.996
Yeah.
00:38:57.001 --> 00:38:57.141
Yeah,
00:38:57.411 --> 00:38:57.681
yeah.
00:38:57.981 --> 00:39:01.192
So one more, uh, one more
00:39:01.251 --> 00:39:01.672
tip,
00:39:01.672 --> 00:39:03.771
tip trick for you guys, for you, aspiring vets.
00:39:03.771 --> 00:39:06.652
Don't live next to the people that you're practicing
00:39:07.521 --> 00:39:07.581
for.
00:39:07.731 --> 00:39:09.052
Just a little space.
00:39:09.157 --> 00:39:12.561
I don't know if it really works now,'cause now I'm kind of in the middle of all of'em, but
00:39:12.561 --> 00:39:14.181
yeah, you are right in the middle of all
00:39:14.181 --> 00:39:14.331
three.
00:39:14.331 --> 00:39:15.501
But it, it works well for me.
00:39:15.501 --> 00:39:18.831
I guess I can go to any practice within a pretty short period of time.
00:39:18.922 --> 00:39:19.132
Yeah.
00:39:19.192 --> 00:39:19.822
That's good.
00:39:20.061 --> 00:39:20.692
That's good.
00:39:22.072 --> 00:39:27.231
So what other, what other tips would you give either to college age kids?
00:39:27.262 --> 00:39:41.322
'cause we've got a lot of'em that are listening to this, who are considering work in the animal health or vet medicine field, or even to farmers or ranchers who say how in the world, how in the world do I get somebody like Dr.
00:39:41.322 --> 00:39:45.012
Kaylee Fitzmorris in my backyard practicing what.
00:39:46.317 --> 00:39:49.617
We already came up with some ideas on how to get recruit the new ones.
00:39:49.617 --> 00:39:49.766
Yeah.
00:39:49.827 --> 00:39:53.936
But what would be some advice you'd have for either of those groups?
00:39:54.010 --> 00:39:59.170
I'd say for ranchers, just be sure to give the new grad a chance.
00:39:59.744 --> 00:40:10.780
the first, you know, year outta school, you're learning a lot, but you know, you're teaching, they're learning from you and, hopefully they you're investing in them, but hopefully that will pay off for you.
00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:11.079
Yeah.
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:12.579
Also, so
00:40:13.449 --> 00:40:13.599
we
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:18.250
saw that grace, grace is important the first year or so, or two or three
00:40:18.764 --> 00:40:21.340
are, are you giving us ranchers the grace?
00:40:21.344 --> 00:40:21.355
No.
00:40:21.485 --> 00:40:22.465
You guys are giving us, or supposed
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:23.530
giving it to you?
00:40:23.534 --> 00:40:23.625
Oh
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:24.250
yeah.
00:40:24.610 --> 00:40:26.079
I think we both,
00:40:26.110 --> 00:40:28.090
but also on the veterinarian side.
00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:28.360
Yeah.
00:40:28.389 --> 00:40:36.820
You know, it takes a little bit to get to know your, uh, the area you're moving into, but once you get to know the people there, I mean, it's awesome.
00:40:37.389 --> 00:40:37.539
Yeah.
00:40:38.155 --> 00:40:39.264
It's fun to joke with them.
00:40:39.264 --> 00:40:41.545
You see'em at the grocery store, you can give them crap.
00:40:41.545 --> 00:40:41.994
I mean,
00:40:42.114 --> 00:40:42.324
yeah.
00:40:42.505 --> 00:40:43.465
Stop on the road.
00:40:43.465 --> 00:40:44.155
Talk to'em.
00:40:44.335 --> 00:40:48.835
It's, I love this community and I think it's important to invest in your community too.
00:40:48.864 --> 00:40:56.875
I mean, I think I was on every board known to man, I feel like they said"fresh blood" when I moved here and happens, recruited the crap outta ya
00:40:57.264 --> 00:40:57.985
always happens.
00:40:57.985 --> 00:41:02.965
And I'm slowly figuring out to say no to some of those, but there's still some boards that I'm on.
00:41:03.025 --> 00:41:08.094
Um, but I think that's important to get to know, you know, all the different people in the community that way.
00:41:08.125 --> 00:41:15.264
'cause not everybody has animals, but, you learn other people through all the organizations that you get recruited to right off the bat.
00:41:15.355 --> 00:41:16.074
Yep, yep.
00:41:16.135 --> 00:41:16.974
No doubt about it.
00:41:18.775 --> 00:41:32.994
So from a practical application standpoint, um, if somebody is sitting here and, and, uh, doesn't feel like they can have this conversation with their local vet, doesn't have a local vet.
00:41:33.730 --> 00:41:34.840
Cow calf producer...
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:35.650
let's start there.
00:41:35.650 --> 00:41:41.860
'cause that's probably, it sounds like, as I hear from folks and see some info on who's listening to this.
00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:44.320
That's, that's probably the lion's share of listeners.
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:44.650
Cow, calf.
00:41:45.230 --> 00:42:04.489
What does a herd health protocol, ideally in generality, let's not use brand names or anything like that, but starting from, let's say baby calves, we're here in March that we're recording this for the next year for both calves and cows...
00:42:04.579 --> 00:42:15.860
what sets that herd up for success from an inoculation and let's go vaccine, maybe deworming, timing, all that stuff.
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.210
We just went through yours here.
00:42:17.210 --> 00:42:17.510
So
00:42:17.539 --> 00:42:18.380
we did, I'm pretty wet.
00:42:18.380 --> 00:42:19.550
I didn't bring the sheet, so
00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:20.420
I'm gonna see if you remember.
00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:21.469
Don't have a cheat sheet here.
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.139
Um, so we're gonna start like.
00:42:24.545 --> 00:42:25.625
With baby calves.
00:42:25.675 --> 00:42:28.465
They're getting the antibodies from mom, from colostrum.
00:42:28.465 --> 00:42:35.815
So if you can push'em out to 60, 90 days at branding time, I know not everyone brands, but that's still what we all call it.
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:36.000
Sure.
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:36.534
Is branding.
00:42:36.875 --> 00:42:46.565
Get the first round of a respiratory vaccine, whether that's internasal or if you're pushing out a little further, injectable, um, and then a black leg.
00:42:46.565 --> 00:42:51.184
And then if you're banding or cutting, I would do it at that age or dehorning.
00:42:51.545 --> 00:42:53.885
Everything painful you can do as baby's still on, mom?
00:42:53.885 --> 00:42:55.534
Putting back on the key.
00:42:56.105 --> 00:42:58.985
Um, deworming, I know we discussed a little bit,
00:43:00.184 --> 00:43:04.985
she doesn't like me, deworming my 60 to 80 day old
00:43:05.534 --> 00:43:09.514
calves, but he said he had a wreck, so, um, we're not touching that one with the 10 foot pole anymore.
00:43:09.514 --> 00:43:11.014
We're just gonna let that one ride.
00:43:11.434 --> 00:43:15.155
Um, so deworming plus or minus there.
00:43:15.215 --> 00:43:15.844
Um.
00:43:16.579 --> 00:43:22.340
And then, you know, pre-weaning is important when you get, uh, little further down the road.
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:32.420
And there's, I know we've discussed it a lot of that study where there's, I think you maybe even had Miles on the three we did, um, vaccine versus two vaccine.
00:43:32.539 --> 00:43:32.719
Yep.
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:38.420
Uh, and less morbidity in the two vaccine calves, then the three vaccine calves.
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:46.130
So that kind of pushed me a little bit and we tried to do a lot pre-weaning and then at weaning, try to mini minimize stress as much as possible.
00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:50.389
Um, they've had two rounds of vaccine at that point and wean'em off their mama.
00:43:50.809 --> 00:43:58.250
Um, pre-weaning, still a respiratory, a booster, black leg, great time to implant also, if you're gonna do that, especially with today's market.
00:43:58.369 --> 00:43:58.460
Mm-hmm.
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.300
Um, I feel like that's an underused tool here in the cattle industry.
00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:07.809
D worm again and then, um, wean them and good to go there.
00:44:07.809 --> 00:44:13.634
Cows at brand or at, uh, preg check time, is the time I would deworm and do, uh.
00:44:14.128 --> 00:44:18.119
Modified live if they're on that program or killed if they're on a killed program.
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:24.179
But, uh, uh, Vibrio-Lepto, Respiratory, black leg is also one that we do.
00:44:24.358 --> 00:44:27.599
And it depends on probably where you're at in the United States on that one.
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.621
But, um, and preg check time is also a great time to talk to your veterinarian.
00:44:32.041 --> 00:44:36.391
You know, when we're at the shoot, that's, you have our ear, we're not on the phone.
00:44:36.931 --> 00:44:38.552
That's the time to talk to us.
00:44:38.722 --> 00:44:43.561
'Cause we're not just, you know, preg checking, we're looking at body condition score, we're looking at feet, we're looking at udders.
00:44:44.422 --> 00:44:47.661
Um, you know, so kind of ask them what are you seeing?
00:44:47.722 --> 00:44:51.621
Um, it's a great time to talk to your veterinarian, and semen test times also.
00:44:51.681 --> 00:44:54.862
I mean, we've sat by the chute and had some great conversations.
00:44:54.981 --> 00:44:55.072
Oh yeah.
00:44:55.101 --> 00:44:55.192
Yep.
00:44:56.001 --> 00:44:57.021
Always entertaining.
00:44:57.021 --> 00:44:57.891
Always entertaining.
00:44:57.952 --> 00:44:58.552
Sometimes
00:44:58.552 --> 00:44:59.032
productive.
00:44:59.061 --> 00:45:00.411
Yeah, sometimes productive.
00:45:00.411 --> 00:45:04.612
But you're in the monotonous just doing the same thing over and over.
00:45:04.672 --> 00:45:04.882
Right.
00:45:05.092 --> 00:45:09.202
What a great time to talk about something that can benefit your herd in the future.
00:45:09.262 --> 00:45:09.652
So.
00:45:10.612 --> 00:45:12.021
So back on the calves.
00:45:12.052 --> 00:45:12.291
Yep.
00:45:12.291 --> 00:45:19.851
Uh, specifically those baby calves, um, intranasal versus injectable, what are your thoughts in the,
00:45:19.942 --> 00:45:23.722
so I've switched on this even in the time that we've been
00:45:23.782 --> 00:45:23.871
mm-hmm.
00:45:24.141 --> 00:45:25.282
Uh, together.
00:45:25.282 --> 00:45:33.842
So, intranasal works better in younger calves because the, it's using a different part of the immune system than an injectable.
00:45:33.842 --> 00:45:36.931
So if you're doing it young, inter nasal is the way I go right now.
00:45:36.992 --> 00:45:52.771
Um, if you're not doing branding or if you're waiting until they're 120 days old, I don't know if I'd do an inter nasal, I'd probably do an injectable at that point, because mom's colostrum is, the antibodies from that are going down and they have the ability to respond to the vaccine as an injectable, as they're older.
00:45:53.132 --> 00:46:00.842
But when you're doing injectable, when they're young mom's antibodies interfere with the injectable vaccine and they're not responding as well.
00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:08.789
And the BVD component of that, probably not as necessary on those early shots.
00:46:08.789 --> 00:46:12.815
And so those internasal that don't have that in there, you can get away with
00:46:12.875 --> 00:46:13.025
you.
00:46:13.144 --> 00:46:13.594
Yeah.
00:46:13.894 --> 00:46:13.954
As
00:46:13.954 --> 00:46:14.224
long as
00:46:14.224 --> 00:46:16.625
you, they have an injectable that you can give with it.
00:46:16.630 --> 00:46:16.750
Yeah.
00:46:16.804 --> 00:46:22.650
But you don't wanna do a modified live internasal of like BVD'cause then you're
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:23.280
right,
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.340
you're gonna spread it amongst everybody and have a wreck.
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:26.489
But
00:46:26.489 --> 00:46:26.639
yeah.
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:33.630
Speaking of BVD and spreading it amongst everyone, PI persistently infectious BVD testing.
00:46:33.690 --> 00:46:33.929
Yeah.
00:46:33.989 --> 00:46:37.079
Um, still recommend, I presume?
00:46:37.469 --> 00:46:39.150
Um, it's definitely situational.
00:46:39.150 --> 00:46:39.644
Um, okay.
00:46:39.885 --> 00:46:45.090
I, I, of course recommend it, but on who I really push for it is situational.
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:45.360
Right.
00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:55.170
And, and the reasons for doing that, if you've done it in the past and not had PI cases would be if you've got neighboring yearlings
00:46:55.170 --> 00:46:55.619
Exactly.
00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:56.699
While the cows are pregnant.
00:46:56.699 --> 00:46:56.760
You
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.309
can control your herd, but you can't control who Neighbors.
00:46:59.315 --> 00:46:59.355
Right.
00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:00.179
Right.
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.289
And we are in Stocker country, so, and I've, I push a lot of my stocker guys.
00:47:04.289 --> 00:47:09.449
There's a lot of the stocker guys that PI test, I mean, a huge percentage due around here.
00:47:10.074 --> 00:47:21.713
And that's one of those, um, you know, we, we do it because being a seed stock herd, it's you have to just an insurance policy to make sure that we are not sending something we haven't, luckily, knock on wood,
00:47:22.074 --> 00:47:22.193
you've
00:47:22.193 --> 00:47:22.434
never
00:47:22.434 --> 00:47:22.643
had
00:47:22.643 --> 00:47:22.824
one,
00:47:22.914 --> 00:47:25.403
haven't never had one in 25 years.
00:47:25.434 --> 00:47:25.494
Yeah.
00:47:25.494 --> 00:47:26.724
And yet we still do it.
00:47:26.724 --> 00:47:29.994
And it's one of those things that we just feel like you have to Yes.
00:47:29.994 --> 00:47:36.907
Um, but, but then there's other areas of the country, of other herds that, they'll find some every year.
00:47:37.206 --> 00:47:37.356
Yes.
00:47:37.356 --> 00:47:39.097
Especially bought, purchased cattle.
00:47:39.126 --> 00:47:39.456
Yes.
00:47:39.456 --> 00:47:42.456
And things like that at certain regions and areas and herds.
00:47:42.456 --> 00:47:47.916
So, um, on the cow side, modified live versus killed.
00:47:48.704 --> 00:47:55.483
you mentioned it, but let's go a little bit deeper for somebody that doesn't know which they can use,
00:47:55.664 --> 00:47:56.054
right?
00:47:56.143 --> 00:47:59.264
If they haven't used modified live in the past on those females,
00:47:59.264 --> 00:48:00.088
you have to use a kil.
00:48:00.094 --> 00:48:00.824
You have to use kil,
00:48:00.914 --> 00:48:03.403
or you'll have the potential to abort calves,
00:48:03.614 --> 00:48:03.943
right?
00:48:05.353 --> 00:48:16.603
If, what's the benefit of moving on to a live, uh, cow vaccine protocol and, um, and why is it worth doing in your opinion?
00:48:16.724 --> 00:48:18.673
So modified live in cows.
00:48:18.673 --> 00:48:27.164
If you've, if you have a, on a modified live program, you can vaccinate your calves with a modified live vaccine without concern of that vaccine.
00:48:27.193 --> 00:48:28.903
Aborting your cows, right?
00:48:29.054 --> 00:48:34.034
Because when you turn your calves back in with the cows, they shed the virus.
00:48:34.123 --> 00:48:43.858
And a lot of, if you guys read the vaccine bottles, a lot of'em say, um, can't be given to calves unless the mom has been vaccinated with modified life.
00:48:43.864 --> 00:48:44.248
Right, right.
00:48:44.309 --> 00:48:50.789
So that's the reason that it's important and it, the calves respond better to a modified life vaccine than a killed vaccine.
00:48:50.818 --> 00:49:00.838
So, um, a lot of the calves are brought up on a modified live vaccine and then switched over to a killed, um, just because it's easier
00:49:00.929 --> 00:49:01.108
Yeah.
00:49:01.228 --> 00:49:02.128
For a lot of guys.
00:49:02.248 --> 00:49:09.759
And there's been papers that show that your titers are actually high with the killed vaccine after they've been brought up on a modified live vaccine.
00:49:10.268 --> 00:49:15.909
But then you have to be careful when you vaccinate your calves and what you do with them and do you separate'em and for how long?
00:49:15.909 --> 00:49:22.719
And the, uh, drug companies may not back you, if you're not using a modified live on your cows too.
00:49:24.099 --> 00:49:31.748
That's one of those debates that I assume if we had five vets on this podcast, we'd have 10 different suggestions.
00:49:31.748 --> 00:49:31.778
I
00:49:31.833 --> 00:49:32.184
agree.
00:49:32.503 --> 00:49:32.623
I
00:49:33.188 --> 00:49:33.429
did.
00:49:33.429 --> 00:49:36.248
I'm trying to be careful on what I say so that I don't,
00:49:36.429 --> 00:49:40.539
and you can find research to back either pro protocol
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:41.018
Yes.
00:49:41.123 --> 00:49:41.344
Yes.
00:49:41.349 --> 00:49:43.449
And say that this one is better.
00:49:43.509 --> 00:49:43.599
Yep.
00:49:43.628 --> 00:49:45.278
Um, and so yeah, we, you
00:49:45.278 --> 00:49:46.989
just have to find what works best for you.
00:49:47.048 --> 00:49:47.739
Right, right.
00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:52.958
And we've tried several different options through the years, um, without getting too crazy.
00:49:53.059 --> 00:49:59.449
And we have come back to here anyway, staying on a modified live annual booster protocol.
00:49:59.449 --> 00:50:04.188
And, and when we switched it was easy when we switched off of that to a killed protocol
00:50:04.188 --> 00:50:05.208
switching back on,
00:50:05.208 --> 00:50:13.699
when we came back onto it, it required a couple extra trips through the chute at inopportune times, but to make sure that we got those cows back.
00:50:13.938 --> 00:50:17.539
'cause you can't vaccin vaccinate when they're br You have to vaccin'em when they're open.
00:50:17.539 --> 00:50:17.599
The
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:17.869
first
00:50:17.869 --> 00:50:17.958
time.
00:50:17.958 --> 00:50:18.739
The first time, right?
00:50:18.768 --> 00:50:19.068
Yes.
00:50:19.219 --> 00:50:20.568
After that game on, you're good.
00:50:20.659 --> 00:50:20.869
But.
00:50:21.228 --> 00:50:28.869
But we, we felt like, we lost some ground, especially on calf health, not necessarily on cows, uh, but on calf health.
00:50:28.918 --> 00:50:34.918
By not having a modified live program on those cows, whether it was just the year, I, who knows.
00:50:34.918 --> 00:50:40.048
But, um, but we went back to what we had been doing for 30 years.
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:40.168
Right.
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:46.139
Uh, which even though 30 years ago it was extra, actually extra label.
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:47.429
But our vet had us,
00:50:47.878 --> 00:50:48.418
I feel like
00:50:48.418 --> 00:50:48.509
you
00:50:48.509 --> 00:50:51.429
were definitely rolling the dice on that one, but we
00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:53.278
got along fine.
00:50:53.429 --> 00:50:56.094
Um, so anyways, it's, uh, you had to be
00:50:56.114 --> 00:50:57.599
at the cutting edge of that one.
00:50:57.659 --> 00:50:58.949
'cause 30 years ago.
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.009
Yeah, that was, it was a long time ago.
00:51:02.068 --> 00:51:02.248
Yeah.
00:51:02.278 --> 00:51:08.668
Um,'cause it was before I moved back home and I've been back here for 22 in May.
00:51:08.818 --> 00:51:08.909
Good.
00:51:08.909 --> 00:51:09.989
So, um, yeah.
00:51:10.228 --> 00:51:10.469
Yeah.
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.789
But again, that's one of those conversations that you and your local vet.
00:51:15.248 --> 00:51:38.134
Need to have and, and you have been great to bring in even animal health, vets that from an animal health company, technical vets that, that you trust and, and the one I can think of, and we're not gonna name names or brands, but this is a guy that, um, is willing to say, you know what, we don't have this product, but this is what you ought to use.
00:51:38.164 --> 00:51:39.838
That's when I start to believe what they're saying.
00:51:40.068 --> 00:51:40.559
Yeah, a hundred percent.
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:41.793
If they're just pushing their product.
00:51:42.304 --> 00:51:43.684
But I trust this guy.
00:51:43.893 --> 00:51:49.923
I mean, if he's willing to talk about a different drug companies product medicine.
00:51:50.494 --> 00:51:50.554
Yeah.
00:51:50.583 --> 00:52:05.014
And he, once that have been in practice, I mean,'cause your local veterinarian knows a little about a lot, but some of those guys know a lot about, you know, the vaccine and the immunology and we had to take an immunology class.
00:52:05.014 --> 00:52:09.454
But once we got past that, check the box, the check the box and move on.
00:52:09.454 --> 00:52:09.784
Yeah.
00:52:10.744 --> 00:52:11.074
Yeah.
00:52:11.134 --> 00:52:14.313
And, and that's, again, it's nutrition.
00:52:14.393 --> 00:52:18.474
I would even say, you know, genetic selection.
00:52:18.503 --> 00:52:23.364
There are so many folks out there who, that's their specialty.
00:52:23.393 --> 00:52:24.653
Yes, that's their business.
00:52:24.684 --> 00:52:28.614
And, um, I like to know a little bit about a lot.
00:52:28.614 --> 00:52:35.273
That's one of the reasons that I love doing this podcast is'cause I learn something every time I have a guest on that I didn't know.
00:52:35.454 --> 00:52:35.634
Right.
00:52:36.744 --> 00:52:47.483
But at the end of the day, I know my limits and I know that I don't know as much about balancing rations as a consulting nutritionist.
00:52:47.483 --> 00:52:47.813
I agree.
00:52:47.813 --> 00:52:54.713
I know that I don't know as much about virology as what you or somebody that you can talk to.
00:52:54.773 --> 00:52:54.893
Right.
00:52:55.614 --> 00:53:00.623
And so, yeah, I leave that to the experts and find people I trust and surround myself with them.
00:53:00.623 --> 00:53:02.009
And that's, that's where I think that's an important part.
00:53:02.304 --> 00:53:02.634
Yeah.
00:53:02.664 --> 00:53:02.934
Build
00:53:02.934 --> 00:53:03.264
a team.
00:53:03.474 --> 00:53:04.284
Yeah, exactly.
00:53:04.344 --> 00:53:04.974
Build a team.
00:53:05.123 --> 00:53:09.353
And, and Yvette is a huge, huge part of that team.
00:53:10.487 --> 00:53:12.280
What else you gotta have?
00:53:12.369 --> 00:53:12.670
I don't know.
00:53:12.699 --> 00:53:14.139
You gotta have something else for me.
00:53:15.429 --> 00:53:16.869
I kept all my stories Good.
00:53:16.869 --> 00:53:17.559
So that I,
00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:18.039
well,
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:18.969
so I don't get in trouble.
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:20.835
Let, let's, if, if.
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.440
Baxter Black is now gone.
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.440
And so, uh, you don't have to do any poetry, but give me the worst.
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:30.670
Without naming names.
00:53:30.670 --> 00:53:37.269
Give me, give me the worst cow wreck, vet wreck that you have witnessed.
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.309
Chute side or,
00:53:39.429 --> 00:53:43.719
I think the best thing about me is my memory is short, so I'm willing to do about anything.
00:53:43.750 --> 00:53:46.570
'cause I don't remember how bad it was the, the first time.
00:53:47.050 --> 00:53:47.440
I mean, that's
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.380
why you keep coming back to Dalebanks.
00:53:49.449 --> 00:53:50.469
This is just an easy one.
00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:57.340
Uh, I, I mean, just Saturday I had 126 pound calf we pulled and I was just
00:53:57.460 --> 00:53:57.699
Oh.
00:53:57.730 --> 00:53:59.980
So excited to get it out of there.
00:54:00.010 --> 00:54:01.090
It was backwards.
00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:05.769
And so then I was trying to take a selfie with it, which I'm sure is not the best.
00:54:06.099 --> 00:54:07.329
But I had to show Braxton.
00:54:07.329 --> 00:54:12.010
And then he sent me Braxton's, the other veterinarian, at our clinic and he said, mine beat you.
00:54:12.010 --> 00:54:13.269
It was 132 pounds.
00:54:14.409 --> 00:54:14.599
Oh my gosh.
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:15.369
My Atlanta.
00:54:15.670 --> 00:54:16.690
Oh, both same day?
00:54:16.780 --> 00:54:18.550
Uh, no, his was two weeks ago I think.
00:54:18.550 --> 00:54:18.559
Oh.
00:54:19.246 --> 00:54:21.431
Still better not have been out of the Dalebanks bull.
00:54:21.431 --> 00:54:22.402
It was not Dang.
00:54:23.226 --> 00:54:23.659
bulls.
00:54:24.018 --> 00:54:24.528
Oh, there we go.
00:54:24.798 --> 00:54:25.278
There we go.
00:54:25.278 --> 00:54:29.989
Well, I guess the American Association is not sponsoring today's podcast.
00:54:31.219 --> 00:54:32.329
I don't know if it was registered.
00:54:32.449 --> 00:54:33.079
Maybe it just, uh,
00:54:33.528 --> 00:54:34.608
yeah, sure.
00:54:34.668 --> 00:54:36.559
Sale barn calf, somebody bought and developed
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:37.159
surely,
00:54:37.998 --> 00:54:39.978
gosh, 130 pounders.
00:54:40.099 --> 00:54:40.728
That's,
00:54:40.733 --> 00:54:42.469
and he got it off the back too, so.
00:54:42.798 --> 00:54:43.728
And the cow was fine.
00:54:43.998 --> 00:54:44.688
The cow was fine.
00:54:44.688 --> 00:54:44.898
Yeah.
00:54:44.989 --> 00:54:45.559
Unbelievable.
00:54:46.668 --> 00:54:47.358
Take it and run
00:54:47.449 --> 00:54:51.048
as you, uh, as you said that you were so glad to get that calf out.
00:54:51.048 --> 00:54:53.059
I wanted to say that that made two of you.
00:54:53.059 --> 00:54:53.119
Yeah.
00:54:53.778 --> 00:54:54.108
Yeah.
00:54:54.438 --> 00:54:54.978
I would agree.
00:54:56.059 --> 00:54:59.449
When the feet is sticking out or that, you know, you know, they're big.
00:54:59.449 --> 00:54:59.628
Ugh.
00:55:00.498 --> 00:55:01.068
Rear feet.
00:55:01.068 --> 00:55:01.338
Even.
00:55:01.429 --> 00:55:01.909
Rear feet.
00:55:02.028 --> 00:55:02.239
Yeah.
00:55:03.469 --> 00:55:05.364
So that's the best wreck that you can think of.
00:55:05.403 --> 00:55:05.523
I
00:55:05.523 --> 00:55:06.528
mean, that was just this week.
00:55:06.528 --> 00:55:10.309
I don't, you know, we've had a lot of C-sections.
00:55:11.059 --> 00:55:12.679
We've had some wrecks, but.
00:55:13.153 --> 00:55:18.318
You, you know, accidentally getting into grain and had, oh gosh, 18 dead or,
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:19.699
oh gosh, yes.
00:55:19.818 --> 00:55:22.378
Uh, I mean, we have some wrecks,
00:55:22.378 --> 00:55:26.248
so this isn't a fun one, but we talked about Theileria early.
00:55:27.148 --> 00:55:58.469
I don't think I realize the prevalence that that may, or that the effect that that can have, especially on a naive population without, and I don't know what, how vet client privilege works and all this, but obviously without talking about exact clients, what do you see on that when, especially maybe a stocker operator buys hot cattle that have Theileria uses the same needle
00:55:59.429 --> 00:56:00.809
and spreads it like wildfire?
00:56:00.809 --> 00:56:00.869
Yeah.
00:56:00.958 --> 00:56:02.318
What are we talking there that.
00:56:02.608 --> 00:56:02.699
Like
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:04.139
how many,
00:56:04.469 --> 00:56:04.619
yeah.
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.309
How, what percentage of a naive herd can get that?
00:56:08.309 --> 00:56:10.949
Are you seeing come down symptomatic
00:56:11.244 --> 00:56:11.653
with that?
00:56:11.653 --> 00:56:12.628
A huge percentage.
00:56:12.809 --> 00:56:13.048
Um,
00:56:13.048 --> 00:56:14.699
so more than five or 10%.
00:56:14.789 --> 00:56:15.329
Oh yeah.
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:19.739
I'm talking 50 to 70% of the herd has been shown.
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:22.648
Symptomatic herd is a loose term of bought cattle.
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:23.009
Okay.
00:56:23.338 --> 00:56:30.688
So, um, and there's no treatment is the part that, and, you know, we're trying anecdotal things'cause there's no,
00:56:30.929 --> 00:56:31.858
is anything working?
00:56:31.978 --> 00:56:33.809
Not that we have found.
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:34.498
Gosh.
00:56:34.755 --> 00:56:37.454
So, be wary, be vigilant.
00:56:38.132 --> 00:56:39.032
Change needles.
00:56:39.032 --> 00:56:39.391
Change
00:56:39.391 --> 00:56:39.751
needles.
00:56:39.961 --> 00:56:42.302
That's probably the biggest one that we're gonna push this year, is
00:56:42.362 --> 00:56:45.422
keep the tick ticks down, which gets harder every year.
00:56:45.541 --> 00:56:45.782
Yeah.
00:56:45.786 --> 00:56:45.817
That's
00:56:45.817 --> 00:56:46.217
who's, yeah.
00:56:46.222 --> 00:56:53.461
I mean, my daughter had a tick behind her ear the other day and, and she is like the most indoorsy girl in the world, so I'm like, where in the world did you get that?
00:56:54.271 --> 00:56:54.331
Wow.
00:56:54.331 --> 00:56:55.621
In March.
00:56:55.621 --> 00:56:56.311
Early March.
00:56:56.311 --> 00:56:56.416
In March, yeah.
00:56:56.422 --> 00:56:56.581
Yeah.
00:56:56.581 --> 00:56:59.251
I, I've seen big ones already on cows and.
00:56:59.672 --> 00:57:01.711
The first week of March and yeah, we,
00:57:02.101 --> 00:57:03.211
it's gonna be a bad one, I think.
00:57:03.302 --> 00:57:04.262
It didn't get that cold.
00:57:04.501 --> 00:57:05.222
No, it didn't.
00:57:05.461 --> 00:57:07.081
Burning helps they say, but I don't know.
00:57:07.286 --> 00:57:07.567
Yeah.
00:57:07.592 --> 00:57:08.012
Yeah.
00:57:08.371 --> 00:57:15.331
What other things besides Theileria, screw Worm, new World Screw worm, which isn't new.
00:57:16.655 --> 00:57:17.914
What's on the horizon?
00:57:17.974 --> 00:57:26.974
What do we need to be looking out for besides the same old same olds with respiratory and pink eye and foot rot and all these types of things.
00:57:27.065 --> 00:57:29.585
I feel like they're, it's the same thing.
00:57:29.644 --> 00:57:29.824
Yeah.
00:57:29.885 --> 00:57:30.724
All the time.
00:57:30.724 --> 00:57:36.454
Just new ways to present, you know, it just, it's, it's never changing.
00:57:36.454 --> 00:57:42.695
It's just the same bugs it seems like, and they're getting resistant, I feel like, to our.
00:57:43.144 --> 00:57:44.224
Our, uh, drugs.
00:57:44.224 --> 00:57:46.355
There's no new drugs that I know of in the horizon.
00:57:46.355 --> 00:57:46.775
So
00:57:46.835 --> 00:57:47.675
there's a question.
00:57:47.675 --> 00:57:51.664
You, you don't hear of any new antibiotics that,
00:57:51.815 --> 00:57:52.025
uh, no.
00:57:52.355 --> 00:57:54.755
Preto Flex was the new one last year.
00:57:54.844 --> 00:58:01.565
Um, respiratory, but you don't really hear, nobody's talking about anything.
00:58:01.565 --> 00:58:03.905
It just takes so much money to get a new drug on market.
00:58:03.905 --> 00:58:04.204
That,
00:58:05.735 --> 00:58:06.275
and is it,
00:58:06.275 --> 00:58:06.965
it's crazy.
00:58:07.054 --> 00:58:15.405
Is it also this anti antibiotic slant from a consumer standpoint?
00:58:15.405 --> 00:58:30.704
I mean, are, are company's less willing to put millions of dollars into a trial for an antibiotic that they know in 10 years either A, isn't going to work right as well, or b is going to have so much consumer pushback?
00:58:30.795 --> 00:58:34.275
Uh, especially if it's related to any human pharmaceuticals.
00:58:34.514 --> 00:58:36.135
I, and if there's already a drug out there that's.
00:58:36.929 --> 00:58:38.010
You know, working.
00:58:38.105 --> 00:58:39.179
I, I can see that.
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:40.079
But you know, with
00:58:40.139 --> 00:58:40.800
these new ones,
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:45.150
with new diseases, I feel like maybe we'll get new, new products.
00:58:45.179 --> 00:58:45.329
Yeah.
00:58:45.690 --> 00:58:47.039
Not everything's bacterial though.
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.460
I mean, Theileria I think is a protozoa.
00:58:51.210 --> 00:58:56.400
Don't quote me on that, but, so antibacterials in theory shouldn't work against it, so, right.
00:58:57.059 --> 00:58:58.619
Same way with some of these viruses.
00:58:58.710 --> 00:58:58.980
Yes.
00:58:58.980 --> 00:58:59.460
Most of them,
00:58:59.789 --> 00:59:00.210
yes.
00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:00.539
Yeah.
00:59:00.570 --> 00:59:03.960
Well, I mean, it's, again, prevention
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:04.510
yeah.
00:59:04.510 --> 00:59:07.300
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
00:59:07.300 --> 00:59:07.449
Know
00:59:07.449 --> 00:59:10.646
what you're buying and try to decrease your chances.
00:59:10.646 --> 00:59:11.666
I'm just not a risk taker.
00:59:11.666 --> 00:59:14.336
I've decided I'm, I am in things I can control.
00:59:14.336 --> 00:59:14.786
I guess.
00:59:14.786 --> 00:59:15.086
You've
00:59:15.177 --> 00:59:17.007
got three, as we talked about, vet clinics.
00:59:17.007 --> 00:59:17.246
Yes.
00:59:17.277 --> 00:59:19.646
Three vet clinics in 12 years.
00:59:19.827 --> 00:59:20.067
Yes.
00:59:20.277 --> 00:59:20.606
Okay.
00:59:20.606 --> 00:59:25.916
Well, I'm not a risk taker in like, I'm not gonna be buying cattle and starting them'cause Wowza.
00:59:27.056 --> 00:59:27.237
Yeah,
00:59:27.956 --> 00:59:31.827
just the, that's our producers are no wonder they're.
00:59:32.652 --> 00:59:34.331
Casino night's, nothing for them.
00:59:34.331 --> 00:59:35.501
Like, let's do this.
00:59:35.501 --> 00:59:35.711
Yeah.
00:59:35.831 --> 00:59:38.561
Aren't you glad though that, uh, there are people who are
00:59:38.561 --> 00:59:39.101
willing to do that?
00:59:39.101 --> 00:59:39.492
I'm super happy.
00:59:39.492 --> 00:59:39.581
It's
00:59:39.581 --> 00:59:39.851
job
00:59:39.851 --> 00:59:40.481
security,
00:59:40.692 --> 00:59:40.931
right?
00:59:41.621 --> 00:59:41.891
Yeah.
00:59:41.891 --> 00:59:43.391
They must have some ulcers though.
00:59:43.391 --> 00:59:44.112
My Atlanta.
00:59:44.532 --> 00:59:45.101
That's fun.
00:59:46.661 --> 00:59:55.931
I've started my own little cattle, uh, sale barn side quests here, and the amount of time and energy I spend with these cattle is just dumb.
00:59:55.931 --> 00:59:59.592
I just, I, uh, have a newfound respect for my clients on it.
00:59:59.592 --> 01:00:00.072
There you go.
01:00:00.072 --> 01:00:03.612
Well, that's good that, uh, I'm glad, I'm glad you understand.
01:00:03.777 --> 01:00:05.097
I do How it is that we're going to,
01:00:05.126 --> 01:00:05.416
yeah.
01:00:05.771 --> 01:00:07.211
I bought a moo call.
01:00:07.211 --> 01:00:09.072
I don't know if you've ever seen those.
01:00:09.072 --> 01:00:09.416
What's that?
01:00:09.731 --> 01:00:15.492
It's like a, uh, it goes wraps around the tail and it's supposed to send you alerts when they start calving.
01:00:15.552 --> 01:00:16.331
Oh, okay.
01:00:16.331 --> 01:00:16.391
Yeah.
01:00:16.422 --> 01:00:18.581
For my booming ten head.
01:00:18.641 --> 01:00:20.592
So I thought, I need this.
01:00:21.447 --> 01:00:24.987
And I have spent so much time with this dumb product.
01:00:26.637 --> 01:00:27.266
So there's
01:00:27.266 --> 01:00:28.257
another sponsor
01:00:28.257 --> 01:00:29.007
that will not be sorry,
01:00:29.007 --> 01:00:29.757
but it worked.
01:00:29.907 --> 01:00:30.657
It worked.
01:00:30.717 --> 01:00:35.936
But if you know their calving date,'cause you have to take it off every four days while I'm buying sale barn stuff.
01:00:35.936 --> 01:00:39.597
So you don't know exactly when they're gonna calve, you know,
01:00:39.686 --> 01:00:40.556
I thought you were a vet.
01:00:40.706 --> 01:00:40.766
I
01:00:40.766 --> 01:00:46.737
say P eight, but sometimes my p eights last a little longer than I'd like'em to.
01:00:47.387 --> 01:00:49.547
So my alert has been going off a lot.
01:00:49.547 --> 01:00:53.507
So I've made a lot of trips to town for false alarms there.
01:00:53.567 --> 01:00:55.876
'cause I refuse to take it off of every four days.
01:00:55.876 --> 01:00:56.297
So.
01:00:57.077 --> 01:00:57.706
Interesting.
01:00:57.947 --> 01:01:07.036
There's so much more technology once you get into, you know, I'm so focused on vet stuff, I sometimes forget there's other products still related to vet.
01:01:07.097 --> 01:01:07.157
Yeah.
01:01:07.157 --> 01:01:10.097
But that, you know, producers use that as just awesome.
01:01:10.936 --> 01:01:13.077
What, uh, what's the next technology you see?
01:01:14.146 --> 01:01:18.646
Being huge in the beef industry, cow industry, whatever the case may be.
01:01:19.697 --> 01:01:23.146
I mean, if they could figure out other ways to preg check cattle.
01:01:23.146 --> 01:01:26.327
I know they have blood, but that's not very, I don't know.
01:01:26.327 --> 01:01:27.976
You've gotta wait on results.
01:01:27.976 --> 01:01:29.626
But if there was a way to, if
01:01:30.467 --> 01:01:36.407
so, you're a vet and you're asking, it would be someone to solve the issue of having to pay a
01:01:36.407 --> 01:01:38.416
vet to come and sleeve Exactly when they're gonna cab.
01:01:39.376 --> 01:01:40.847
Like that would be awesome.
01:01:41.086 --> 01:01:41.896
I agree.
01:01:41.896 --> 01:01:43.036
I will.
01:01:43.126 --> 01:01:43.697
I will.
01:01:43.697 --> 01:01:56.476
As a seed stock guy, I will say that I want somebody to find out a better way of truly evaluating a bull's ability to breed, to breed cows successfully.
01:01:56.777 --> 01:01:58.217
That's fair than just
01:01:58.246 --> 01:01:58.427
because.
01:01:58.427 --> 01:02:01.217
Just'cause they're semen good doesn't mean they're gonna go out and breed cows.
01:02:01.217 --> 01:02:04.036
And just because they're borderline doesn't mean they're not.
01:02:04.306 --> 01:02:04.456
I
01:02:04.456 --> 01:02:05.146
would agree with that.
01:02:05.146 --> 01:02:06.556
I mean, I've seen it both ways.
01:02:06.556 --> 01:02:11.297
I've seen one pass with a very good 90 something that's.
01:02:12.106 --> 01:02:19.306
They have too many opens and I've seen one that you tell me can't get cows bred and they breed and he breeds'em all every season.
01:02:19.306 --> 01:02:21.407
So I day, I would agree with that.
01:02:21.512 --> 01:02:27.016
Will don't tell stories about how we used to evaluate a bull's breeding sound and a laugh.
01:02:27.077 --> 01:02:30.137
You can just see the seamen like, and it's just that day.
01:02:30.141 --> 01:02:30.242
Yeah.
01:02:30.282 --> 01:02:32.327
I mean, yeah, it's one snippet in time.
01:02:32.717 --> 01:02:41.086
So that's the technology that I hope somebody, one of you young aspiring vet students will, uh, figure out a better mousetrap.
01:02:41.186 --> 01:02:43.856
I think the technology thing, there's just so much, I mean, oh,
01:02:43.856 --> 01:02:44.306
it's the wild, the
01:02:44.561 --> 01:02:44.722
collar.
01:02:45.117 --> 01:02:47.367
I mean, know you guys have gotten on board with the collars.
01:02:47.396 --> 01:02:47.606
Yeah.
01:02:47.876 --> 01:02:53.367
It just is mind blowing how much, even in the past five years, technology has played a part.
01:02:53.427 --> 01:03:01.521
I think the, the brain power and the money that has been put into some of these new tools, I.
01:03:01.943 --> 01:03:06.233
coupled with the profitability in the cow calf segment today.
01:03:06.293 --> 01:03:06.713
Yeah,
01:03:06.773 --> 01:03:10.043
I think it we're, we'll see more technology adoption.
01:03:10.043 --> 01:03:14.273
We are seeing more technology adoption and, and one more thing that I left out.
01:03:15.233 --> 01:03:16.134
The lack of labor.
01:03:16.614 --> 01:03:16.884
Yeah, I would
01:03:16.884 --> 01:03:17.003
agree.
01:03:17.003 --> 01:03:17.949
Of skilled, skilled labor.
01:03:18.503 --> 01:03:29.994
Um, so when you've got cows that are worth as much as they are calves that are worth as much as they are, it, it, um, if a person's honest, it makes some sense to try some of these technologies.
01:03:29.994 --> 01:03:30.054
Yeah.
01:03:30.114 --> 01:03:37.043
Just to be sure that we see before it's too late that something needs addressed.
01:03:37.353 --> 01:03:44.043
So yeah, I think the adoption of some of these technologies will be unbelievably quick in the next couple of years.
01:03:44.164 --> 01:03:44.434
I think
01:03:44.434 --> 01:03:44.583
it
01:03:45.003 --> 01:03:45.514
is exciting.
01:03:45.514 --> 01:03:46.594
Opportunities are endless.
01:03:46.594 --> 01:03:46.893
Yeah.
01:03:46.954 --> 01:03:47.193
Yeah.
01:03:47.253 --> 01:03:57.634
And, and, and I think that it changes, I guess I should ask you, does it change your relationship and how you diagnose things?
01:03:58.293 --> 01:04:05.809
If you've got somebody that's using a GPS collar or one of these implants or tags or whatever the case may be, then may.
01:04:05.809 --> 01:04:05.818
Yeah.
01:04:05.889 --> 01:04:06.969
I mean, I think it allows of you
01:04:06.969 --> 01:04:08.554
guys to catch metabolic, allows things quicker.
01:04:08.614 --> 01:04:08.943
Yeah.
01:04:09.063 --> 01:04:16.204
And then, you know, you'll bring'em to, usually when someone comes to the clinics,'cause they've doctored it three times and it's too late, it's not getting better.
01:04:16.204 --> 01:04:19.353
Well there's not a whole lot we're gonna add to that come unless it, it's like, aley,
01:04:19.353 --> 01:04:20.643
do your job doctor
01:04:20.643 --> 01:04:21.213
or something.
01:04:21.333 --> 01:04:21.994
I know, I know.
01:04:22.653 --> 01:04:27.304
I don't have a miracle drug, but if I did, I would be Yeah.
01:04:27.873 --> 01:04:31.684
So I think getting the opportunity to see it sooner, see it
01:04:31.983 --> 01:04:32.224
early Yeah.
01:04:32.313 --> 01:04:33.994
Would be awesome.
01:04:34.173 --> 01:04:34.534
Yeah.
01:04:34.744 --> 01:04:35.074
Yeah.
01:04:35.643 --> 01:04:38.614
And I, I think that that's, I think it's going to happen.
01:04:38.673 --> 01:04:38.824
Oh, I
01:04:38.824 --> 01:04:39.003
do too.
01:04:39.228 --> 01:04:40.414
It, it is happening.
01:04:40.414 --> 01:04:51.603
It's just finding which technologies are gonna stand the rancher test and, and work and be practical and the environments that they're asking'em.
01:04:52.608 --> 01:04:53.329
To be used in.
01:04:53.809 --> 01:04:54.018
Yeah.
01:04:54.018 --> 01:04:55.668
So yeah, it's exciting stuff.
01:04:56.748 --> 01:04:58.159
What next for flying three?
01:04:59.898 --> 01:05:00.528
Tackle the world.
01:05:00.619 --> 01:05:04.728
Uh, no, uh, no flying four on the horizon there.
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.228
Hopefully get, you know, we were opening a racetrack, I guess, here in Eureka.
01:05:09.228 --> 01:05:09.438
So
01:05:09.438 --> 01:05:11.628
when you say we, you don't mean the vet clinic?
01:05:11.659 --> 01:05:12.373
We are, not
01:05:13.793 --> 01:05:14.014
we,
01:05:14.028 --> 01:05:19.579
but I need to find somebody, uh, that really has a horse interest because that is not me.
01:05:20.059 --> 01:05:21.889
Um, Kenzie's behind us.
01:05:21.889 --> 01:05:31.978
She's doing a, uh, internship equine only, or maybe not only, but heavily, in, at Brock Veterinary Clinic in Texas.
01:05:32.829 --> 01:05:33.128
So that's
01:05:33.128 --> 01:05:34.389
where all the horse vets are.
01:05:34.449 --> 01:05:34.869
Yeah.
01:05:34.869 --> 01:05:40.688
So she's going down there and then hopefully we can get her back here and then she could be the horse guru for me.
01:05:40.778 --> 01:05:44.079
'cause that is not my, not my cup of tea.
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:44.498
So.
01:05:45.563 --> 01:05:49.313
As I heard a vet say one time, I don't do horses.
01:05:51.384 --> 01:05:52.824
I will do it if I have to.
01:05:52.829 --> 01:05:52.898
Yeah.
01:05:52.958 --> 01:05:53.179
But
01:05:53.634 --> 01:05:53.903
yeah.
01:05:54.173 --> 01:05:58.614
Well, and and luckily there are plenty of vets who love that and are very good at it,
01:05:58.614 --> 01:05:59.219
which is great.
01:05:59.219 --> 01:05:59.418
Yeah.
01:05:59.514 --> 01:06:00.594
We just need, yeah.
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:00.619
So
01:06:00.728 --> 01:06:02.153
once again, find the specialty.
01:06:02.184 --> 01:06:03.264
Find Yeah.
01:06:03.804 --> 01:06:04.884
Or the specialist.
01:06:04.884 --> 01:06:05.574
Specialist.
01:06:05.574 --> 01:06:05.753
Yes.
01:06:05.753 --> 01:06:06.023
Yeah.
01:06:06.114 --> 01:06:07.344
Find somebody that can help you.
01:06:07.594 --> 01:06:15.103
Well, we are very appreciative that you are here and that you are growing and that you're willing to take on all these new challenges.
01:06:15.463 --> 01:06:16.664
Because Yeah.
01:06:16.664 --> 01:06:18.793
I, I, I am, we're spoiled.
01:06:18.853 --> 01:06:19.603
I'll be honest.
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We're spoiled because I, when people talk about the fact that there are quote unquote no young vets that wanna be in large animal practice, I.
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Can kinda shrug my shoulders and for once say, I, I dunno what you're talking about.
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Usually I'm right there with them on most of these discussions.
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But this is one area that, um, we get the opportunity to say, yeah, we're, we're lucky.
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We're, we're fortunate.
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Hopefully the generation after you also gets that
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Yeah.
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Ability.
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So that's the goal is just to keep someone in the rural area and recruit young individuals to come back and hopefully buy in and
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Yep.
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Keep it going.
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That's, that's the goal's.
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I don't wanna be the 80-year-old veterinarian, still trying to find somebody to buy my clinic and.
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Just shut down.
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So,
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and odd.
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Oddly enough, I don't wanna be the 80-year-old year old rancher that's still, um, calling, calling you.
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'cause um,'cause I, yeah, I'm, I'm that oddball that actually thinks that he might retire sometime and not just do this until he is in the grave.
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But we'll see.
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We'll
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see.
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Ah, I don't know.
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That does not go with your, uh,
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why does everyone say that I've met your
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father?
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Yeah, I, I understand.
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Yes, I am in the genetics business.
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I should, uh, you should know.
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I should know.
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Yeah.
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Tom's still right there with him.
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Oh.
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So yeah.
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I have a feeling you will be too.
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Yeah.
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May say, dad, I got this.
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But yeah,
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we'll see.
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We'll see.
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We'll
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see.
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But
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I'm excited.
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That's good.
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Well, we're excited to have you and, uh, excited to do the podcast.
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It's been fun.
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And, uh, keep up the great work.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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You bet.
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Thanks Kaylee.
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Thanks again for joining us for Practically Ranching, brought to you by Dalebanks Angus, all the best to you and your family.
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May God bless each of you and we'll talk again soon.
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