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Episode six, Pradley Film Guys.
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Here we are.
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Episode six.
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This is gonna be a good one.
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Hope you've enjoyed last week's episode.
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Uh it was vertigo.
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Felt like five minutes ago we did last week's episode, didn't it?
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Felt like it.
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Yes.
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But we're here.
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Papa's got a brand new bag.
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Absolutely.
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The motto James Brown once said.
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Um and I feel as if we're this is gonna be a long one, so we might as well get right into it.
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We're talking about Robocop.
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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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Exactly.
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Before, before we touch on Robocop, I have a question for you.
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Yes.
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So when we're talking uh Evil Deadborne episode, yeah.
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We're talking about that ice cream man.
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Yeah, right.
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Gonna see uh all the cheese and stuff and all that.
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And so it came out last week.
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Don't know if you heard about this.
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I think I know what you're gonna say, yeah.
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There was AI used in the movie.
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Yeah.
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What's your take on AI now becoming kind of promot prominently used within these films and it taking away the work and the creativeness from the artists?
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I think it's absolutely disgusting.
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Um I d I do not vibe with generative AI in any facet whatsoever.
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Um not for like I get AI has its uses, yeah.
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I get it can make processes faster, it can uh it could be used as a tool, but I d I just and then maybe this is because I'm in I'm trying to be in in the in like the creative arts or the creative spaces.
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I just don't see the need for it.
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No for generative AI and killing so many jobs, it's taking away the creative the creative process that's involved in what us artists have learnt through our our education at uni to get our degrees um it's just taking so it's taking a skill away, it's taking our trade away, it's like you know, Iron Mongery, blacksmith, it's slowly kind of depleting these these skills and these trades and it's killing the industry.
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Because in there's there's there's so many quotes about um about AI and it's about how it makes non-creative people seem creative and all that sort of shit.
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And and this that this is coming from I get this is coming from a very like privileged mindset because I consider myself a creative person, but same here, yeah.
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Not everybody can be creative, no.
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You've got if if you need to have the passion and you need to have the work ethic and you need to make the sacrifices and you need to work at your trade to be creative, you kind of just flip Bob there's there's a shit looking flyer.
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I'm creative.
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Aye, um I just I don't agree with at all.
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Um use it like as a tool to help you be more creative, use use AI to prompt in how do I do this in After Effects?
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How do I make this in candle?
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How do I do this?
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Absolutely, yeah, use it in that facet.
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Don't come at me with your shitty AI-generated videos that look AI and look fake as fuck, and because it that's the thing that I don't think people understand, it cannot create anything new, it just draws on what's already been made.
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So aye.
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So he's getting a lot of shit for that.
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Good, obviously, and it's it sucks because for a guy who primarily makes horror movies who was an advocate for practical effects, yeah, to then deny that he used it and then admitted that he was like maybe misquoted or worded it differently, I don't know.
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Yeah, but it was apparently god office.
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So I'm not gonna touch that movie, I'm not gonna watch it.
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No, screw that.
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See people like him, and now like when Brad Pitt came out in support of AI, that is the best example of pulling the ladder up behind you in in the modern era of filmmaking that you can absolutely have.
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Absolutely.
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Um oh I I've I've made the the up that I want to make, I've made my money, I'm successful.
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So we can just use these tools, it's gonna fuck over the next generation of creators.
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Absolutely.
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I I do not I don't I don't stand for it.
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Um and I won't.
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I I don't uh fuck you, AI yeah um in your eye in in in yeah, I mean I do use it at work.
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I'm a I'm a videographer, I use it for processing, I use it for um to speed things up.
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I use chat GPT for document creation and stuff like that, and that's fine.
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I'm a bit of a fucking hypocrite there, but I will never use it to generate anything creative.
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Fair enough.
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And there we go, there's my take on it.
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I also will never pay for it.
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No fucking pain for you.
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Chat GPT plus and all that shit.
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No.
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Absolutely.
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If you're a sponsorers, then maybe uh we won't talk as much shit.
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But we probably still will.
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Can I wait to get a thousand uh adverts for AI programmes now?
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My phone's definitely not listening to me.
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Absolutely, so I that's what I stand on.
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I'm actually gone on a wee bit of a I shouldn't tell anybody this because they'll if they'll they'll know it's me.
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I'm gonna wee bit of a crusade uh under the the pseudonyms on Facebook when somebody posts uh an AI flyer, I just say this looks like shit.
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So that's me, you've caught me slot, hypocrite.
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I know I I should be Robocop, Robocop Robocop dun dun dun.
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What a movie.
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What a movie.
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If you've been living under a rock for the last 30 years and you haven't seen Robocop, let me spill it for you right now.
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We will get into setting a crime-ridden Detroit in the near future.
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RoboCopers, RoboCop centers, and police officer Alex Murphy, who is murdered by a gang of criminals and revived by the Mega Corporation OCP, Omni Consumer Product, uh, as the cyborg law enforcer Robocop.
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Unaware of his former life, RoboCop executes a campaign against crime while coming to terms with the lingering fragments of his humanity.
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That's from Wikipedia, not from Chat GPT, before you get fucking snide.
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Um so what's the first thing you think about when it when you hear Robocop?
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Is it how it is?
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I think the the main thing, because me, I'm effects guy, um practical effects is special effects.
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That's the first thing I think that and the graphic gore that's used in the movie, mate, and I straight away go to the guy who gets sludged by the the toxic waste, like that's that's that's what I think of special effects, toxic guy, and the theme tune.
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Nice, yeah, nice for me.
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Anytime I hear the word Robocop, it's almost like a question-answer.
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I will go, did her alive, you're coming with me.
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Yes, that's that's that's in there.
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And I know we're not gonna talk about the movie or the story, like we're gonna talk about what we loved about it, but again, growing up in the 90s with Robocop toys, mate, just like the 18-inch figure, then you had the small Robocops, and you could take his chest off, and it was all exposed, like wiry and stuff like that.
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You can take his helmet off, and yeah, the gun that came out this and the gun, the gun he has is so cool, as just like an automatic yeah I but uh it shoots like the V3 uh busts turning the to the side, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, mate.
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But there's one question in that movie how is he driving that car?
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Is what's always got me compared to the metal, it's like mate, that is a few kind of thousand pounds or metal that I'm like, how is he driving that car?
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Who knows?
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Just switch your brain off.
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That's it.
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I can't right.
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So what were so you've obviously seen it when you were younger?
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Yeah, too young, too aye, same to be honest.
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Um this is the first thing I watched it last night, loved every second of it.
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Is it what sticks out for you the most?
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Sticks out for me the most.
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Um honestly, two very different things.
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Uh-huh.
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How violent, how gory it is, and how much this is just from watching it last night, how fucking good those squibs were anytime anybody got shot, uh-huh.
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And B, how funny it is.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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And and how quotable it is.
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Yes.
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I'm gonna have to name drop my good friend Dave Haenan, uh, because he's a huge RoboCop fan, and me and him go back and forward on quotes all the time.
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So this this and I said to him, it's just gonna be this it's just gonna be 40 minutes of us set doing Robocop quotes, um, because that's that's all it is.
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Um and I no, I it's it's so funny, it's so quotable, um, and it was really violent, and it's so like on the pulse for for its time, yeah, um like politically of what's happening and what's happening now with consumerism.
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So I was gonna say there's a thing that stuck out the Robocop, it it started a trend with movies that came out after was the how they reported the news, yeah, and the style that they that they'd done it in because it takes me to reminds me of Starship Trippers with how they broadcast things like that, and like movies started copying the Robocop style of how and it was all about advertisement, yeah, and that's that's what you saw throughout, and it would constantly come up on your screen.
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I think it's like you're watching a newsreel all the time, but the the style they'd done it obviously inspired future movies to go with that same style as well.
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Yeah, so that's one that's the kind of one of the main things that stuck out about corporate advertising, yeah, because it's it's it builds such a even if you're not paying attention to it, it almost kind of like sinks in your subconscious where they're talking about um I think it's apartheid in South Africa, and they're talking about somebody gets blown up in Mexico, and there's all these things happening around about the world, and it's very much a dystopian place, and then the guy comes on and is like, buy a new heart, yeah.
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Uh just bye bye bye.
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And it's it's it's resonate with so much with today's culture, exactly what's going on, yeah, especially AI.
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I know, man.
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Robots, and and it's just I forget about all these terrible things that are happening in the world.
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You need the newest version of this.
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Um it sets up perfectly in uh the world in like the first three minutes because I think it says that in the news broadcasts is like, and that stuck out to me because I was like, isn't that gonna be three minutes?
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It's like the world's your world in three minutes, and then they set up all the players because they mentioned Clarence Podcast, they mentioned OCP taking over the cops, and we're we build this world, tell us this story, introduce our players in the first three minutes, and as soon as the news cycle is over, it's like boom, into the real world.
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Let's go, let's get on with it.
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We know who's the good guy, we know who's the bad guy, how are they gonna interact?
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Yeah, and it's such a clever piece of storytelling.
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It is, it is, it was so well done.
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And again, like the I I just watching the movie, just I can see with future films, uh films that came out after took inspiration from.
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Again, I'm going back to Starship Trippers.
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See the the locker scene where they're all changing, and you there's a lot of nudity in it as well.
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And they're all again took me like Starship Trippers.
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I'm like, clearly was inspired by Robocop, yeah, that those kind of scenes.
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So what I'd actually funny you mentioned that because that stuck out to me as well.
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Because it's like in that, it it's like a uh a mixed locker room, so they don't differentiate between men and women, they're just seen as like faceless police officers, yeah, basically cannon fodder.
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Yeah, doesn't matter who your race doesn't matter what gender you are, get that uniform on, get out there and get killed essentially.
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And it's it's such a like dystopian feel to even if it's not been shoved down your throat, it's like the underlying themes of oppression and and all that stuff.
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It just it it's the layers to this film that I don't think a lot of people appreciate because they just see it as this cheesy 80s action sci-fi film, but it it's it's so on again.
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Like I another film that came out around about the time, Predator 2.
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Yeah, same kind of notes and flavours that were going on again with the the kind of police uh with the the feel of the police, the 80s police culture and stuff.
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So yeah, mate.
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So well done.
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What a film.
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Yeah, so how insane is the premise of this film when we say it out loud, right?
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So Detroit police officer gets fucking brutally murdered, yeah.
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Right?
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A giant corporation turns him into a cyborg.
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He goes back to work, as said cyborg, and there are extremely violent criminals, uh extremely violent commercials about breakfast cereal and car crashes.
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See if you said that to me, I'd be like, I I mean, as a toxic white man, I'd be like, that sounds fucking great.
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Yeah, give me that every single second of every single day.
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But if a film got released today and they're like that, I'd be like, mate, that are you sure you want to put money behind that?
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Are you sure?
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Is that what we're making?
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We're making a bead police officer comes back as a robot and it shouldn't work, no, but it does.
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And see when you said police officer gets brutally murdered and then gets turned into a cyborg and comes back, goes back to work, just instantly think of that universal credit meme where RoboCob is used, like nah mate, you're fit for work and he gets sent back out the next day.
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That's how I resonate.
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Sorry guys.
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But do you think it would work in today's?
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Nah, nah.
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And do you think we take films too seriously?
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Like I don't think we take films seriously enough.
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Do not I think um there this was in the era of the action hero where like buffed up guys, yeah, and and it was it was cool, yeah.
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That was like oh almost like aspiring to be like a stallone or to be like a Swarseniger.
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Um whereas now I think people view films in like it's they take them as being too silly, yeah.
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The people don't take them seriously, if they watch these films to laugh at them, and this is a film where you can laugh with it and enjoy it, but I don't think you don't get the same magic if you laugh at it because you're oh look at these silly guys, oh it's a silly robot, or isn't it?
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Isn't that so silly?
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And it takes away so much of the charm.
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See, as soon as you try and minimize action films of the 80s to being silly, it takes away everything that's magical about them.
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It does, yeah.
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Because it's supposed to be what machines supposed to be a bit guys with their shirts off oiled up, it's supposed to be like that.
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Like that's that's a bit like Alex Murphy.
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He was he wasn't muscled up, he wasn't he was just your average Joe, yeah, police officer.
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And I think a lot when you watched that movie, you resonated with him, and you kind of felt emotionally like and like physically sorry from what happened to him during it, and just the the the the the transformation that he that he went through, it was just a the effects were amazing.
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Yeah, this is this was one that I wanted to talk to you a lot about, and I think we'll we'll just talk about the effects right now, then uh-huh.
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And the biggest one, the biggest first one, is when he goes to Um the den of like Clarence and and the team and he gets assassinated.
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Yeah, and this is almost their introduction to Clarence Bodycare and the gang as well.
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We kind of know they're the bad guys, but we don't know how ruthless they are.
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Um In fact, no, we do.
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Sorry, I've I've completely missed a scene.
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And this is one of my one of the the the quotes uh the can you fly, Bobby?
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Where he gets shot or chasing him in the car in the back of the van, and they just it's one of his guys, one of his pencil he just fucking chucks him at the back of the van.
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Um that's such a good scene, and uh we get to the and Murphy gets his um his hand blown off first, which gives us another classic line, Well give the men a hand.
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Yeah.
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So I'm gonna be doing these all night.
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Keep going, man, keep going.
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But um that's such a good see.
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I I will talk about that.
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Like the amount of blood and the fucking size of the squibs they must have used because of like the size of a fist to the holes with the blow.
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Yeah.
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Can you talk to us a wee bit about that and and how effective that is?
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See, I don't really know how they went about how they did it.
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Yeah, you know, but like I know watching the documentary.
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I watched the documentary, I know the everything that they practically, the practical effects that use it were all it was new.
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One the this the suit alone, the the effects, the prosthetics, all that kind of stuff, that it was all new to them, they were all experimenting.
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Um they went through s they went months and months of experimenting so many failures because they were making such a low-budget movie with barely any budget to it to create these amazing effects.
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Um so I don't I don't really know how they did it, but it you know it was amazing how explain to us what a squib is then.
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Well, I don't really what I don't really know what a squib is.
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You don't know what a squib is, mate.
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No, you're the practical effects guy.
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I've never heard of a squib.
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Have you no?
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No.
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It's um we well, me and my my good friend Owen McGuiney, we made our own squibs for a zombie cowboy movie we shot in like 2015.
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It was it was pretty terrible, but it was supposed to be terrible, that was the thing, and we made it with like CO2 canisters on the end of a hose with a bucket of fake blood.
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So when we stuck it in here and this and and um and then fire off the CO2 canister from the other side inside the flood, it just goes and explodes out of you, so it looks like a gunshot.
00:17:48.559 --> 00:18:00.720
So a squib, the best way I can understand it, um they're quite dangerous, it's basically a tiny explosion by a blood pack, so they set them off and it goes um, and that's how they mimic gunshots.
00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.240
That's the way I understand it, whether or not that's what actually happens, yeah.
00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:12.640
Um that's that's like usually when somebody gets shot and you see the tiny wee, oh gunshot hole.
00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.440
Yeah, but in Robo eye can feel the impact, yeah.
00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.759
In Robocop, they're fucking huge.
00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.920
Like when Murphy gets shot initially, it just goes like half his stomach just explodes.
00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:22.799
Right, okay.
00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:28.960
Um and these things are they're so brutal because there's so much blood, and then what is really amazing in that whole scene.
00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:39.519
So you guys are dummy for that, then possibly he was on a fake floor underneath with a prosthetic top.
00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:58.240
What I noticed in this film, which was amazing, which I'd never noticed before, is there's a shot um of Murphy lying basically on his knees when he's all he's his hand gets blown off and he's full of blood, and he's looking up at Clarence, and then it's it's it's on Clarence's point of view, so it's looking down at Murphy, and then the reverse shot for when he gets shot in the head.
00:18:58.319 --> 00:18:58.480
Uh huh.
00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.160
That's a full prosthetic dummy.
00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:02.240
I didn't even realise that's not Peter Weller at all.
00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.160
It is so convincing.
00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.559
Um it was unbelievable, unbelievable effects.
00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:09.200
Absolutely.
00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:13.599
I'm trying to think what was the documentary, God what it was called.
00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:20.319
Well, obviously it'll be on the special features, uh you can see that, but they they they they delve right into it in this Netflix documentary.
00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:22.720
Ah god, was it how it was made?
00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:23.119
I don't know.
00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:28.720
There's a series on it, and they go they really they do like Friday 13th, Robocop, A Nightmare on Elm Street.
00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.920
I think I know what you're talking about, yeah.
00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:32.319
Can't remember the name, but yeah.
00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.359
Um that's gonna annoy me.
00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.119
But yeah, check it out because they really go right into how it was all done.
00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:40.880
Nice, yeah, nice.
00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:42.720
What I want to talk about as well.
00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:44.000
I don't know what squibs are.
00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:44.400
I don't know.
00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:45.759
Thank you for educating me.
00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:47.599
Um you should be the effects guy.
00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:57.839
I only know that because I wanted to make a zombie cowboy spaghetti west on B movie down the beach in 2016, and we fucking did it.
00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.799
Um, so it's not available to watch anywhere.
00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:03.759
So because I made that's where can I watch it?
00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:14.799
Um in fact, it may be in the annals of YouTube somewhere because I did at my we I don't think we actually ended up using the squid for that uh because I did on gunshots.
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:26.240
The hero of the story, this isn't about RoboCop, this is my film score, it's called Planet of the Zombies, and he killed the zombies by shooting laser beams from the palms of his hands.
00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.920
Um I did on this in After Effects as well.
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But I'd I'm sitting down the beach with this squad of people who I used to work with, none of them were actors, none of them were interested filmmakers at all.
00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:40.480
It was just people that used to work in Sainsbury's with me.
00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:49.039
I would go down with fake blood and like sculpting makeup clay uh and like green paint, and that was the zombies.
00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:49.920
Love it.
00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.400
Uh we all start somewhere.
00:20:52.559 --> 00:21:11.279
Hi that was class, but that was a far cry away from the amazing effects in RoboCop because what gelled so well, what gelled a lot better than a lot of films, was the practical effects on set, the miniatures, uh-huh, and the digital effects as well.
00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.160
Because they it was seamless.
00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:15.440
I was gonna say fucking there, yeah.
00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:37.359
It was seamless, especially in the scenes with Ed 209 when he's just still, and then it like even cutting from the the the still before like when he shoots like the rocket or whatever to a cut back in his moving the arm, so that'll be digital, then it'll come back and it's a practical effect, and you you unless you're looking out for it, yeah, you can't tell, and this was 1988, yeah.
00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.240
A lot of kind of stop um stop motion uh animation as well, it looks flawless as well.
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:43.200
Oh, it looks brilliant, man.
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:48.319
Um so let's let's talk about everybody's favourite character in Ed 209.
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:56.640
How um successful do you think a rollout of Ed 209s would have been in real life?
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:58.079
In real in Robo
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Absolutely shit.
00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:02.319
It wouldn't happen.
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.799
Nah.
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:03.759
Nah.
00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:04.720
Nah.
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:11.759
I think the T 800s from Terminator would have a a better chance than Yeah.
00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.599
Ed 209 was it was um it was a lot more intimidating when I was a wee boy.
00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:24.559
And I think that's really really where you I think that's just because he shot that guy in the office in the first kind of scene.
00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:31.599
But they introduced him, and I was like, whoa, that's a bit and I and I remember maybe this is films later on, like two or three.
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:37.119
I remember him Ed 209 being a bigger obstacle for Robocop to overcome than he actually ended up being.
00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.839
Because he was he just basically pushed him down the stairs.
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And that was it.
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:42.079
That was it.
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Done.
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:43.680
Yeah.
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:50.720
But like that even then, that's a layer to our our big bad Dick Jones, where they had they have a conversation.
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:56.640
I think it is with Bob who introduces the Robocop programme, and he's saying Ed 209 was perfect to go.
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:58.079
Who cares if it doesn't he work?
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That's a 25-year contract that we'll sell spares and repairs to.
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:08.240
So we wasn't we wasn't caring, and that's that's the kind of the corporate greed and the corporate mindset that we're fighting against.
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.279
Um and he's just he's he's such a good bad guy.
00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.559
Because I'm gonna jump over the place now and I hope he can come along for the ride.
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.720
What was the main bad guy called again?
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.480
Uh the one at the very end, the the CEO of it with the grey the white hair.
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:21.359
Dick Jones.
00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:22.000
Dick Jones.
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:23.759
So Dick Jones, he's great at playing characters.
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:28.960
I don't know if you've ever seen him in um he he I forget his name, he was in Halloween 3.
00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:30.160
I've gonna say no.
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.440
You've never oh same character, yeah.
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:39.759
Um again, CEO of this factory, making masks, killing children all over the United States.
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.200
Nice, just he's brilliant at playing these characters, he's amazing.
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:43.759
Yes.
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.279
Let's I let's talk about this.
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:56.160
I want to get into this because we might do a Wii top five list to the end, but oh no, is Clarence Bodtiger one of the greatest 1980s villains?
00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:05.359
Ah What that's how we see some like oh god, just he doesn't look intimidating all, does he?
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:12.079
When you just first when you first look at him, but boy, he is a he is a crazy intimidating guy.
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:13.279
Don't I mess with it?
00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.160
He's mental.
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:16.400
Yeah, he is a fucking psychopath.
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.519
Completely ruthless, zero emotion.
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.799
It's the eyes, man, the the hair.
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.160
I know he's just he is you know he is ruthless.
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:37.920
Yeah, it's like one of the first because you get introduced to him, and one of the first scenes he's in, again, we just spoke about it, is the the car chase scene where Murphy's still Murphy, and one of his henchmen gets injured, and he just chucks him out the back like none.
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:49.440
Um and when he anytime he's on camera, I don't even remember the actor's name, and I always remember him just as Red Faye.
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:50.640
That's the 70s show.
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:58.720
Um but like he's one of those character actors where the camera loves him, and he's so like he's got a charm to him.
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:03.920
Aye, he's he's so energetic and aye magnetic, is what I like to say.
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:19.759
You just kind of take your eyes off him because he's in this film, he's unhinged, and when he's laughing at other people's misfortunes, he's laughing at um Murphy, give him an ahead and all that sort of stuff.
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:37.519
And but as much as I think he's actually a really well-rounded character because as much as he is a tough guy when he's being tough, he's so snivelling uh-huh in like coward, so much cowardice when he's like on the other side of it when Robo comes up against him and he's like, no, no, no, and he and he grasses out Dick Jones.
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.119
I work for Dick Jones! Yeah, Dick Jones, um, and all that sort of stuff.
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.279
So it's such a He kind of reminds me of the Joker in the Dark Knight, slightly.
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:46.720
Oh, interesting.
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:47.759
Do you do you know what I mean?
00:25:47.839 --> 00:26:00.720
With just with the henchmen and then just kind of grassing out other people and just so he can get his way and kinda like like kind of get squeeze his way out of it so he can come back later on and get you again, yeah.
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.319
So can I get yeah, Heath Ledger, Joker vibes wrong?
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.079
Slightly, yes, I do.
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:18.079
How right let's talk about one of the reasons or or in fact maybe it doesn't work.
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:35.440
Do you think the film's success is carried on how realistic the portrayal of the Robocop suit is because it's futuristic enough in the fact that he's a cyborg, yeah, but it's still realistic enough that they made that suit to work in the real world.
00:26:35.519 --> 00:27:00.400
So do you think there is something because there's some suits that don't work, and there's something like a lot of the to not to shit on them, uh-huh, but the for the last few years the MemCU superhero suits have all been CGI, yeah, and they'll start going to the nanotechnology and that just all that sort of stuff whereas we have Peter Weller strapped inside this big thing walking about, uh huh.
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:09.599
It's it's setting the not to distant future, it's supposed to be futuristic, but we can date that, yeah, and you you can almost because you're seeing it in him interacting with other people, yeah.
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:19.440
You're seeing him interacting with characters, etc., and and in backgrounds, does that the weight of that and the weight of the suit?
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:27.599
I mean it has to I'm I'm I'm trying to poise this as a question, but it does it well no, it does, and you can see there's human qualities to it as well.
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:36.720
And Peter Weller brings out that human emotion throughout that suit, even though he's playing a cyborg, but he does it so well.
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.880
The artists who worked on it, obviously, there was different design aspects.
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.119
I think there was different looks to how Robocop was gonna be, and they've obviously gone with that one.
00:27:45.359 --> 00:28:04.240
I think it just resonated with um you know with the times and uh what was going on back in the 80s, and the the the the look of the suit just I thought was just absolutely flawless in what the artists done, like what they came up with because it was a heavy suit to wear, yeah, and it was trying to find the right material to make this suit from.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.599
And I think it wasn't anything that existed before they had to make up this concoction or try and make these new moulds and stuff as well.
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:20.640
But if you go back to if you see the original design of the Predator suit that John Claude Van Damme was wearing before they done the redesign to how Predator looks now, it looked awful.
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.039
Really?
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:30.400
I don't know if you've seen I might have so Van Damme was originally meant to play the Predator, but his suit looked like a it was like a red prain mantis, right?
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.119
And it had these kind of yellow gold beady eyes, it looked awful, right?
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:50.880
So imagine we got that compared to what the redesign with Stan Winston got involved and made the new printer's uh predator suit, you know, it was flawless, it was beautifully executed, it was great, and I the same goes to again we're in the same decade with Robocop suit, yeah, yeah.
00:28:50.960 --> 00:29:02.960
The effects were and again Peter Wellers prosthetic the balds and they go back a bit and then they go back between scenes where he's in the lab, and it's uh it's a it's a dummy as well.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.519
I get you can tell it was a dummy, but it was just beautifully, beautifully made.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.039
I just loved it, and it was so it was quite nightmarish as well.
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:11.759
Yeah, uh huh.
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.000
I think there's there's a lot to be said on the quality of the Robocop suit, uh huh.
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:32.640
And I think people often may or may not overlook Peter Weller's actual performance and how he moved his body with yeah, well, minimal movements he moved it as like everything absolutely had to be just as much as it needed to be to be practical.
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.880
There was a rhythm to his movement, yeah.
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:41.759
He couldn't just go aye like there was a rhythm to the movement and to obviously how they were gonna do it in post with the sound effects, yeah.
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:48.880
And I don't think people yeah can grasp like how much work that took and the weight of the suit that he was wearing that he was strapped in all day.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:56.160
So I know, and that like when he eventually does take his mask off, like the seam from from the effects to his face, uh couldn't he see it?
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:56.720
Couldn't see it now.
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:05.119
It was it wasn't because all the way back with the kind of metal and you can see where he got shot in the head and it was just yeah, amazing.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:15.519
And he's he's such a good he's like invokes so much emotion through his eyes because that's pretty much the only place he was able to to make the story realistic.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:32.960
Like he's he's a cyborg, yeah, but he still has like Murphy's eyes, and you can feel like even even all all you can see is his mouth when he goes and visits like his old house and stuff like that, and it's through the music, through the um the blocking, through the the the movement of that.
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.599
He's you're portraying this guy who's lost everything.
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:45.279
Yes, and you're you're obviously projecting your emotions onto how you would feel in that moment, but the guy's a fucking emotionless cyborg at this point for all we know.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.000
Absolutely, yeah.
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:56.160
It's it's such a well-crafted film, and it makes you it like we've we spoke about before, it gives you just enough for you to like fill in your own gaps and have your own reaction to it.
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:14.960
Yeah, and again, like kudos to the production team because the the RoboCop just has its own unique style in regards to the architecture of the buildings that were used, the Detroit uh Detroit streets, the police cars that were used, the the the model of um police cars that they used in it as well.
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:21.599
Like, as soon as you see that um I'm I forget what make it was, but you're just Robocop car or the gun.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:30.880
If I if I see if I see a rep call RoboCop gun, it's just it's just the production design, it just has this unique style to the to the movie where you just instantly go Robocop.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:31.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.000
Uh-huh.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.440
There are two there's a big bad and there's a little bad in this film.
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.400
Okay, the big bad's Dick Jones, who's the number two OCP.
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:38.720
Yeah, okay.
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:39.920
He designed Ed 209.
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.480
He hates Bob who who's a bit of an arsehole as well.
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:42.799
Uh huh.
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.079
Very unlikable character.
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.160
Um, and then there's Clarence Bodiger.
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.960
So we have basically opposite ends of the spectrum.
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.720
Bob does um sorry, Dick Jones doesn't really raise his voice.
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.680
Um, he's built, and this is something that I thought was really interesting and really, really cool.
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.319
His aura essentially is built by everybody else's reaction to him.
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:09.680
Okay, because he's done some shit in the past, but we don't know what that is, but it's everybody like the murmurs and that.
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:18.480
And one of the funniest scenes, and one of the best scenes, is when they go into the executive bathroom and they're having a pee, and Bob's talking shit about Dick Jones and he's sitting having a shite, and you can see it.
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:29.680
I feel like his point of view, he shoes, and the guy everybody like hushes and gets out of the bathroom, and then he comes at the thingy, and the guy recognises Dick Jones and he like pulls his fly up and like there's pee odd in his trousers.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.279
See, like this guy is not meant to be trifled with, he's not meant to be messed with.
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:35.599
Uh huh.
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.960
He's such like a like a business shark, such a bad guy, uh-huh.
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.279
But he just he doesn't need to he doesn't need to peacock himself with Clarence Bodiger.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:33:06.799
And it's it's such an interesting way to have to to insert both of those types of villains into your film in such a successful way because Clarence Bodiger is the exact opposite in the best possible way, because he's all peacock feathers and effing and seeing and and and shooting people and and being what you would think a uh a stereotypical bad guy from an 80s acting film would be.
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:16.400
So I think having those two that kind of contrast between yeah, contrast between those two guys is just it's another thing that's just well executed, it's so well executed.
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:34.880
Like people sleep on Robocop, I think, because it is a bit of a silly premise, it's a it is a cyborg, but like it's in the same lane as your predators, your kickboxers, blood sports, underseas, any of the Rambo movies, it's it's it is up there with these types of films from the 80s, I would say anyway.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:37.920
Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:45.920
Yeah, so who and this is a a a nice wee one to ponder.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.119
Who is actually the villain of Robocop?
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.759
So is the villain Clarence Bodeker?
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.200
Is it Dick Jones?
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.160
Is it OCP or is it the system?
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.559
I'll give you my take, but I want to hear your take first.
00:33:58.880 --> 00:33:59.279
My take.
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.440
My take is that Dick Jones is the villain of Robocop.
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:15.760
Okay, because I think even though they're a faceless multi-billion dollar conglomerate, OCP can be used for good.
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.559
They're trying to build, what is it, Mega City One?
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.440
Uh-huh, yeah.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.880
They're trying to build for a positive future into Detroit.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.360
Uh-huh.
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:32.880
So I can't with all good conscience say that they're the bad guy because one person was like a shitty system.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:34.000
Manipulate the system.
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:34.400
Yeah.
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.400
Um, Clan Spodaker, as much as I love him, is a pawn.
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.920
I suppose you say, yeah, I feel like he's a pawn in the the works.
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:42.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.840
So I would say Dick Jones is is is the real vulnerable guy who's gonna be a good one.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:58.800
I agree with you on that, but also again, and going to the system and how they're manipulating how the everyone around them is accepting that this is this is fine.
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:17.119
Even the people, like you know, this is this is this is fine, it's okay to do this, and it's just everyone against each other, they're um you know, they're they're fighting against themselves instead of fighting against the system, you know, and it's all about what resonates with today's culture with power and money.
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:43.519
Um so yeah, I agree with you than that, but also they have a choice, they've got like uh the responsibility to do to do good and to you know be better, but they chose not to because they're all um just going along with what their master is telling them to do.
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:56.559
Again, we spoke about it last week on our vertigo episode, and this is what I really love about it as soon as the story is finished, and not a frame after it ends, yeah.
00:35:58.639 --> 00:35:59.519
What's your name?
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Murphy, beautiful, love it.
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There's no not no hanging up happy ending, not him going back to his family or anything like that.
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:09.760
Exactly.
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Um so I let's let's get into let's get into some of the good deaths.
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Um god, I think Murphy's is a good death, yeah.
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:29.360
I was gonna say like see the expression in his eyes when he gets his hand shot, yeah, and just the overall that oh like that gets me.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:37.360
Yeah, Clarence is a effing brutal death when like no aye when Murphy and his spike, he's an information spike, yeah.
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The USB like into the throat, yeah.
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Just there's there's no big climax to that.
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The the guy I can't remember his name drops the the steel on Murphy and he's just lying there and Clarence like stabs him through the heart, and then you're you're expecting some big fight or some big showdown, and Murphy just spiking the neck, and like he's like Clarence is splitting blood, blood, even in the background.
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:04.960
That is that is a lot of blood.
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.559
This is so graphic.
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Um and then obviously I know my favourite the five it was a it's the best it's the best death scene.
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I can't even remember his name, but it's like the toxic sludge sludge, um that makeup is unreal, it's so brutal, and that is like just what you're doing there.
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I think the makeup's only half the story.
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:42.960
His performance where he's we were talking about it in Texas Jane saw the episode for gasping for breath, he's almost doing the same thing with Louis like he's he's suffering, absolutely, and it was amazing to see.
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Um but it was so oh my god, it was shocking.
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Yeah, it was really well done.
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.960
It's not even that, it's not even the toxic sludge, it's Clarence runs him over and he just exposes.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:07.679
What a brutal death, and I think that's like one of the high it's one of the main highlights from the movie because it's what when you talk about Robocop, you talk to anyone about Robocop, they talk about that death every time.
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It's brilliant, and he he he delivers on our favourite lines earlier on.
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It's you're dead, we killed you when Robocop uh records that and then he figures it like that that's start him the beginning of his journey to figure out or remember that he's not Julie Murphy.
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Uh-huh.
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Um and it's it's there was nice wee touches in there that I thought um it's probably obvious to everybody who's seen it that's um but showing Murphy's journey because when we first get introduced to him as Robocop uh and they pull the sludge out and thingate to him, uh-huh it's like, oh, this is Robocop, he's a cyborg, he's property of OCP, and then the guy's like, Oh, Johnson's like, Oh, it tastes like baby food.
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Uh-huh.
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And then when we get to the metalworks or whatever it is, there um and Murphy's taking his hat off and he's he's kind of remembering who he is, and the thing that he's using his target practice on is baby food.
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So he's like, I'm not Robocop anymore.
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I'm Murphy again.
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So I just like that.
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.079
We we touches like that.
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.239
So there's layers to this film, it's not just a silly, yeah.
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.840
No, there is layers, it's a side board, right?
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.840
Robocup guy in the head with that.
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But no, I I I love it to death.
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I think I've got all the quotes out that I wanted to get out.
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You sure?
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Uh apart from the good one he messaged me the other night.
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Oh, she was sweet.
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I took her out.
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You got out of your system, mate.
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Oh wait, um, I think so.
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It's all it's mostly Clarence and the bad guys.
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Yeah, because I I think I've said Dick Jones, I want to work for Dick Jones, and uh it's not even a funny quote.
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I just laughed and when he kills Bob, the guy who made Robocop.
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He's and he's he's cum though um having a good time with some ladies of the night and loads and loads of cocaine, and uh Clarence Buttiger just shows up and goes, bitches out, bitches leave or something.
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I'm like, What?
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Um I just love it.
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I just think it's such a good like not taking himself so seriously as a bad guy performance, and I think that it's like it's the satire that makes this as well as the series because you couldn't have a serious film like this without the level of like satire and like comedic characters as well, and that's what the 80s were all about with all these type of bad guys and the satire and their one-liners.
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Exactly, everybody was looking for the one-liner, and this this was full of them, man.
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I I absolutely love the cop absolutely right.
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:56.559
Um, so we've kind of covered and then the biggest thing to take away from this as for for the whole Robocop journey, um, or Alex Murphy's journey, is he goes through a sort of obviously a rebirth to be a new Alex Murphy at the end, but he does leave the film as Alex Murphy, he doesn't remain Robocop.
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Robocop, yeah, um which is I mean that's a hero's journey if ever I've seen one.
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Yeah, totally, yeah.
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:08.320
Um let's get into the nitty-gritty quickly.
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Could Robocop actually exist in the real world today?
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Today possibly possibly the way we're going with technology kind of I don't think we're there yet.
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Right.
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But possibly like we're all talking about AI and stuff.
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Talking about AI, so yeah.
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Yes, but I don't think it would go down too well.
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No, no, I I I mean there are depending on how conspiratory you want to go, there are variations of this as well with like um online surveillance and video cameras being everywhere and all that sort of stuff and clamping down on metaglasses, yeah.
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.360
Um we're we're basically we're allowing ourselves to police each other.
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Yeah, um so you don't fucking need a Robocop, everybody's grassing everyone there.
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Um so stop it.
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Do you think do you think you know what you just asked me?
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Like, could it get away, you know, do you think Robocop could exist today?
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No.
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No I think we've outgrown the the physical police force.
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If it's for some and laugh, or something that's futuristic as that, I think we've outgrown the the our physical police presence.
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Everything's way too digital now, yeah, that it would it would any really make sense.
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I think there would be a digital version of RoboCuff.
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I don't think I don't think the the police force being in command of what's going on, but more corporate government influence, possibly military, who knows?
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Who knows?
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Who knows?
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.719
And on that dreary note we'll leave you.
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Thanks for watching.
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Go watch Robocop if you haven't watched it.
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Um definitely you'll love it, you'll love it, yes, indeed.
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Episode six, Pradley Film Guys.
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Here we are.
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Episode six.
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This is gonna be a good one.
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Hope you've enjoyed last week's episode.
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Uh it was vertigo.
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Felt like five minutes ago we did last week's episode, didn't it?
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Felt like it.
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Yes.
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But we're here.
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Papa's got a brand new bag.
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Absolutely.
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The motto James Brown once said.
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Um and I feel as if we're this is gonna be a long one, so we might as well get right into it.
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We're talking about Robocop.
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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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Exactly.
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Before, before we touch on Robocop, I have a question for you.
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Yes.
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So when we're talking uh Evil Deadborne episode, yeah.
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We're talking about that ice cream man.
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Yeah, right.
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Gonna see uh all the cheese and stuff and all that.
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And so it came out last week.
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Don't know if you heard about this.
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I think I know what you're gonna say, yeah.
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There was AI used in the movie.
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Yeah.
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What's your take on AI now becoming kind of promot prominently used within these films and it taking away the work and the creativeness from the artists?
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I think it's absolutely disgusting.
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Um I d I do not vibe with generative AI in any facet whatsoever.
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Um not for like I get AI has its uses, yeah.
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I get it can make processes faster, it can uh it could be used as a tool, but I d I just and then maybe this is because I'm in I'm trying to be in in the in like the creative arts or the creative spaces.
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I just don't see the need for it.
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No for generative AI and killing so many jobs, it's taking away the creative the creative process that's involved in what us artists have learnt through our our education at uni to get our degrees um it's just taking so it's taking a skill away, it's taking our trade away, it's like you know, Iron Mongery, blacksmith, it's slowly kind of depleting these these skills and these trades and it's killing the industry.
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Because in there's there's there's so many quotes about um about AI and it's about how it makes non-creative people seem creative and all that sort of shit.
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And and this that this is coming from I get this is coming from a very like privileged mindset because I consider myself a creative person, but same here, yeah.
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Not everybody can be creative, no.
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You've got if if you need to have the passion and you need to have the work ethic and you need to make the sacrifices and you need to work at your trade to be creative, you kind of just flip Bob there's there's a shit looking flyer.
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I'm creative.
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Aye, um I just I don't agree with at all.
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Um use it like as a tool to help you be more creative, use use AI to prompt in how do I do this in After Effects?
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How do I make this in candle?
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How do I do this?
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Absolutely, yeah, use it in that facet.
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Don't come at me with your shitty AI-generated videos that look AI and look fake as fuck, and because it that's the thing that I don't think people understand, it cannot create anything new, it just draws on what's already been made.
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So aye.
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So he's getting a lot of shit for that.
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Good, obviously, and it's it sucks because for a guy who primarily makes horror movies who was an advocate for practical effects, yeah, to then deny that he used it and then admitted that he was like maybe misquoted or worded it differently, I don't know.
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Yeah, but it was apparently god office.
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So I'm not gonna touch that movie, I'm not gonna watch it.
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No, screw that.
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See people like him, and now like when Brad Pitt came out in support of AI, that is the best example of pulling the ladder up behind you in in the modern era of filmmaking that you can absolutely have.
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Absolutely.
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Um oh I I've I've made the the up that I want to make, I've made my money, I'm successful.
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So we can just use these tools, it's gonna fuck over the next generation of creators.
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Absolutely.
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I I do not I don't I don't stand for it.
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Um and I won't.
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I I don't uh fuck you, AI yeah um in your eye in in in yeah, I mean I do use it at work.
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I'm a I'm a videographer, I use it for processing, I use it for um to speed things up.
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I use chat GPT for document creation and stuff like that, and that's fine.
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I'm a bit of a fucking hypocrite there, but I will never use it to generate anything creative.
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Fair enough.
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And there we go, there's my take on it.
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I also will never pay for it.
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No fucking pain for you.
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Chat GPT plus and all that shit.
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No.
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Absolutely.
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If you're a sponsorers, then maybe uh we won't talk as much shit.
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But we probably still will.
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Can I wait to get a thousand uh adverts for AI programmes now?
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My phone's definitely not listening to me.
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Absolutely, so I that's what I stand on.
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I'm actually gone on a wee bit of a I shouldn't tell anybody this because they'll if they'll they'll know it's me.
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I'm gonna wee bit of a crusade uh under the the pseudonyms on Facebook when somebody posts uh an AI flyer, I just say this looks like shit.
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So that's me, you've caught me slot, hypocrite.
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I know I I should be Robocop, Robocop Robocop dun dun dun.
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What a movie.
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What a movie.
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If you've been living under a rock for the last 30 years and you haven't seen Robocop, let me spill it for you right now.
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We will get into setting a crime-ridden Detroit in the near future.
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RoboCopers, RoboCop centers, and police officer Alex Murphy, who is murdered by a gang of criminals and revived by the Mega Corporation OCP, Omni Consumer Product, uh, as the cyborg law enforcer Robocop.
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Unaware of his former life, RoboCop executes a campaign against crime while coming to terms with the lingering fragments of his humanity.
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That's from Wikipedia, not from Chat GPT, before you get fucking snide.
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Um so what's the first thing you think about when it when you hear Robocop?
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Is it how it is?
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I think the the main thing, because me, I'm effects guy, um practical effects is special effects.
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That's the first thing I think that and the graphic gore that's used in the movie, mate, and I straight away go to the guy who gets sludged by the the toxic waste, like that's that's that's what I think of special effects, toxic guy, and the theme tune.
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Nice, yeah, nice for me.
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Anytime I hear the word Robocop, it's almost like a question-answer.
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I will go, did her alive, you're coming with me.
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Yes, that's that's that's in there.
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And I know we're not gonna talk about the movie or the story, like we're gonna talk about what we loved about it, but again, growing up in the 90s with Robocop toys, mate, just like the 18-inch figure, then you had the small Robocops, and you could take his chest off, and it was all exposed, like wiry and stuff like that.
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You can take his helmet off, and yeah, the gun that came out this and the gun, the gun he has is so cool, as just like an automatic yeah I but uh it shoots like the V3 uh busts turning the to the side, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, mate.
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But there's one question in that movie how is he driving that car?
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Is what's always got me compared to the metal, it's like mate, that is a few kind of thousand pounds or metal that I'm like, how is he driving that car?
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Who knows?
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Just switch your brain off.
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That's it.
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I can't right.
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So what were so you've obviously seen it when you were younger?
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Yeah, too young, too aye, same to be honest.
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Um this is the first thing I watched it last night, loved every second of it.
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Is it what sticks out for you the most?
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Sticks out for me the most.
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Um honestly, two very different things.
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Uh-huh.
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How violent, how gory it is, and how much this is just from watching it last night, how fucking good those squibs were anytime anybody got shot, uh-huh.
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And B, how funny it is.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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And and how quotable it is.
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Yes.
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I'm gonna have to name drop my good friend Dave Haenan, uh, because he's a huge RoboCop fan, and me and him go back and forward on quotes all the time.
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So this this and I said to him, it's just gonna be this it's just gonna be 40 minutes of us set doing Robocop quotes, um, because that's that's all it is.
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Um and I no, I it's it's so funny, it's so quotable, um, and it was really violent, and it's so like on the pulse for for its time, yeah, um like politically of what's happening and what's happening now with consumerism.
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So I was gonna say there's a thing that stuck out the Robocop, it it started a trend with movies that came out after was the how they reported the news, yeah, and the style that they that they'd done it in because it takes me to reminds me of Starship Trippers with how they broadcast things like that, and like movies started copying the Robocop style of how and it was all about advertisement, yeah, and that's that's what you saw throughout, and it would constantly come up on your screen.
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I think it's like you're watching a newsreel all the time, but the the style they'd done it obviously inspired future movies to go with that same style as well.
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Yeah, so that's one that's the kind of one of the main things that stuck out about corporate advertising, yeah, because it's it's it builds such a even if you're not paying attention to it, it almost kind of like sinks in your subconscious where they're talking about um I think it's apartheid in South Africa, and they're talking about somebody gets blown up in Mexico, and there's all these things happening around about the world, and it's very much a dystopian place, and then the guy comes on and is like, buy a new heart, yeah.
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Uh just bye bye bye.
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And it's it's it's resonate with so much with today's culture, exactly what's going on, yeah, especially AI.
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I know, man.
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Robots, and and it's just I forget about all these terrible things that are happening in the world.
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You need the newest version of this.
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Um it sets up perfectly in uh the world in like the first three minutes because I think it says that in the news broadcasts is like, and that stuck out to me because I was like, isn't that gonna be three minutes?
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It's like the world's your world in three minutes, and then they set up all the players because they mentioned Clarence Podcast, they mentioned OCP taking over the cops, and we're we build this world, tell us this story, introduce our players in the first three minutes, and as soon as the news cycle is over, it's like boom, into the real world.
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Let's go, let's get on with it.
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We know who's the good guy, we know who's the bad guy, how are they gonna interact?
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Yeah, and it's such a clever piece of storytelling.
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It is, it is, it was so well done.
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And again, like the I I just watching the movie, just I can see with future films, uh films that came out after took inspiration from.
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Again, I'm going back to Starship Trippers.
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See the the locker scene where they're all changing, and you there's a lot of nudity in it as well.
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And they're all again took me like Starship Trippers.
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I'm like, clearly was inspired by Robocop, yeah, that those kind of scenes.
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So what I'd actually funny you mentioned that because that stuck out to me as well.
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Because it's like in that, it it's like a uh a mixed locker room, so they don't differentiate between men and women, they're just seen as like faceless police officers, yeah, basically cannon fodder.
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Yeah, doesn't matter who your race doesn't matter what gender you are, get that uniform on, get out there and get killed essentially.
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And it's it's such a like dystopian feel to even if it's not been shoved down your throat, it's like the underlying themes of oppression and and all that stuff.
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It just it it's the layers to this film that I don't think a lot of people appreciate because they just see it as this cheesy 80s action sci-fi film, but it it's it's so on again.
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Like I another film that came out around about the time, Predator 2.
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Yeah, same kind of notes and flavours that were going on again with the the kind of police uh with the the feel of the police, the 80s police culture and stuff.
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So yeah, mate.
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So well done.
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What a film.
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Yeah, so how insane is the premise of this film when we say it out loud, right?
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So Detroit police officer gets fucking brutally murdered, yeah.
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Right?
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A giant corporation turns him into a cyborg.
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He goes back to work, as said cyborg, and there are extremely violent criminals, uh extremely violent commercials about breakfast cereal and car crashes.
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See if you said that to me, I'd be like, I I mean, as a toxic white man, I'd be like, that sounds fucking great.
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Yeah, give me that every single second of every single day.
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But if a film got released today and they're like that, I'd be like, mate, that are you sure you want to put money behind that?
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Are you sure?
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Is that what we're making?
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We're making a bead police officer comes back as a robot and it shouldn't work, no, but it does.
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And see when you said police officer gets brutally murdered and then gets turned into a cyborg and comes back, goes back to work, just instantly think of that universal credit meme where RoboCob is used, like nah mate, you're fit for work and he gets sent back out the next day.
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That's how I resonate.
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Sorry guys.
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But do you think it would work in today's?
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Nah, nah.
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And do you think we take films too seriously?
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Like I don't think we take films seriously enough.
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Do not I think um there this was in the era of the action hero where like buffed up guys, yeah, and and it was it was cool, yeah.
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That was like oh almost like aspiring to be like a stallone or to be like a Swarseniger.
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Um whereas now I think people view films in like it's they take them as being too silly, yeah.
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The people don't take them seriously, if they watch these films to laugh at them, and this is a film where you can laugh with it and enjoy it, but I don't think you don't get the same magic if you laugh at it because you're oh look at these silly guys, oh it's a silly robot, or isn't it?
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Isn't that so silly?
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And it takes away so much of the charm.
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See, as soon as you try and minimize action films of the 80s to being silly, it takes away everything that's magical about them.
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It does, yeah.
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Because it's supposed to be what machines supposed to be a bit guys with their shirts off oiled up, it's supposed to be like that.
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Like that's that's a bit like Alex Murphy.
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He was he wasn't muscled up, he wasn't he was just your average Joe, yeah, police officer.
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And I think a lot when you watched that movie, you resonated with him, and you kind of felt emotionally like and like physically sorry from what happened to him during it, and just the the the the the transformation that he that he went through, it was just a the effects were amazing.
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Yeah, this is this was one that I wanted to talk to you a lot about, and I think we'll we'll just talk about the effects right now, then uh-huh.
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And the biggest one, the biggest first one, is when he goes to Um the den of like Clarence and and the team and he gets assassinated.
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Yeah, and this is almost their introduction to Clarence Bodycare and the gang as well.
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We kind of know they're the bad guys, but we don't know how ruthless they are.
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Um In fact, no, we do.
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Sorry, I've I've completely missed a scene.
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And this is one of my one of the the the quotes uh the can you fly, Bobby?
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Where he gets shot or chasing him in the car in the back of the van, and they just it's one of his guys, one of his pencil he just fucking chucks him at the back of the van.
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Um that's such a good scene, and uh we get to the and Murphy gets his um his hand blown off first, which gives us another classic line, Well give the men a hand.
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Yeah.
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So I'm gonna be doing these all night.
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Keep going, man, keep going.
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But um that's such a good see.
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I I will talk about that.
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Like the amount of blood and the fucking size of the squibs they must have used because of like the size of a fist to the holes with the blow.
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Yeah.
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Can you talk to us a wee bit about that and and how effective that is?
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See, I don't really know how they went about how they did it.
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Yeah, you know, but like I know watching the documentary.
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I watched the documentary, I know the everything that they practically, the practical effects that use it were all it was new.
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One the this the suit alone, the the effects, the prosthetics, all that kind of stuff, that it was all new to them, they were all experimenting.
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Um they went through s they went months and months of experimenting so many failures because they were making such a low-budget movie with barely any budget to it to create these amazing effects.
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Um so I don't I don't really know how they did it, but it you know it was amazing how explain to us what a squib is then.
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Well, I don't really what I don't really know what a squib is.
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You don't know what a squib is, mate.
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No, you're the practical effects guy.
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I've never heard of a squib.
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Have you no?
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No.
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It's um we well, me and my my good friend Owen McGuiney, we made our own squibs for a zombie cowboy movie we shot in like 2015.
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It was it was pretty terrible, but it was supposed to be terrible, that was the thing, and we made it with like CO2 canisters on the end of a hose with a bucket of fake blood.
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So when we stuck it in here and this and and um and then fire off the CO2 canister from the other side inside the flood, it just goes and explodes out of you, so it looks like a gunshot.
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So a squib, the best way I can understand it, um they're quite dangerous, it's basically a tiny explosion by a blood pack, so they set them off and it goes um, and that's how they mimic gunshots.
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That's the way I understand it, whether or not that's what actually happens, yeah.
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Um that's that's like usually when somebody gets shot and you see the tiny wee, oh gunshot hole.
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Yeah, but in Robo eye can feel the impact, yeah.
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In Robocop, they're fucking huge.
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Like when Murphy gets shot initially, it just goes like half his stomach just explodes.
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Right, okay.
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Um and these things are they're so brutal because there's so much blood, and then what is really amazing in that whole scene.
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So you guys are dummy for that, then possibly he was on a fake floor underneath with a prosthetic top.
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What I noticed in this film, which was amazing, which I'd never noticed before, is there's a shot um of Murphy lying basically on his knees when he's all he's his hand gets blown off and he's full of blood, and he's looking up at Clarence, and then it's it's it's on Clarence's point of view, so it's looking down at Murphy, and then the reverse shot for when he gets shot in the head.
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Uh huh.
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That's a full prosthetic dummy.
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I didn't even realise that's not Peter Weller at all.
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It is so convincing.
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Um it was unbelievable, unbelievable effects.
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Absolutely.
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I'm trying to think what was the documentary, God what it was called.
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Well, obviously it'll be on the special features, uh you can see that, but they they they they delve right into it in this Netflix documentary.
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Ah god, was it how it was made?
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I don't know.
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There's a series on it, and they go they really they do like Friday 13th, Robocop, A Nightmare on Elm Street.
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I think I know what you're talking about, yeah.
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Can't remember the name, but yeah.
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Um that's gonna annoy me.
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But yeah, check it out because they really go right into how it was all done.
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Nice, yeah, nice.
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What I want to talk about as well.
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I don't know what squibs are.
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I don't know.
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Thank you for educating me.
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Um you should be the effects guy.
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I only know that because I wanted to make a zombie cowboy spaghetti west on B movie down the beach in 2016, and we fucking did it.
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Um, so it's not available to watch anywhere.
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So because I made that's where can I watch it?
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Um in fact, it may be in the annals of YouTube somewhere because I did at my we I don't think we actually ended up using the squid for that uh because I did on gunshots.
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The hero of the story, this isn't about RoboCop, this is my film score, it's called Planet of the Zombies, and he killed the zombies by shooting laser beams from the palms of his hands.
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Um I did on this in After Effects as well.
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But I'd I'm sitting down the beach with this squad of people who I used to work with, none of them were actors, none of them were interested filmmakers at all.
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It was just people that used to work in Sainsbury's with me.
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I would go down with fake blood and like sculpting makeup clay uh and like green paint, and that was the zombies.
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Love it.
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Uh we all start somewhere.
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Hi that was class, but that was a far cry away from the amazing effects in RoboCop because what gelled so well, what gelled a lot better than a lot of films, was the practical effects on set, the miniatures, uh-huh, and the digital effects as well.
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Because they it was seamless.
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I was gonna say fucking there, yeah.
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It was seamless, especially in the scenes with Ed 209 when he's just still, and then it like even cutting from the the the still before like when he shoots like the rocket or whatever to a cut back in his moving the arm, so that'll be digital, then it'll come back and it's a practical effect, and you you unless you're looking out for it, yeah, you can't tell, and this was 1988, yeah.
00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.240
A lot of kind of stop um stop motion uh animation as well, it looks flawless as well.
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Oh, it looks brilliant, man.
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:48.319
Um so let's let's talk about everybody's favourite character in Ed 209.
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How um successful do you think a rollout of Ed 209s would have been in real life?
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In real in Robo
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Absolutely shit.
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It wouldn't happen.
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Nah.
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Nah.
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Nah.
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I think the T 800s from Terminator would have a a better chance than Yeah.
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Ed 209 was it was um it was a lot more intimidating when I was a wee boy.
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And I think that's really really where you I think that's just because he shot that guy in the office in the first kind of scene.
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But they introduced him, and I was like, whoa, that's a bit and I and I remember maybe this is films later on, like two or three.
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I remember him Ed 209 being a bigger obstacle for Robocop to overcome than he actually ended up being.
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Because he was he just basically pushed him down the stairs.
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And that was it.
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That was it.
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Done.
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Yeah.
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But like that even then, that's a layer to our our big bad Dick Jones, where they had they have a conversation.
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I think it is with Bob who introduces the Robocop programme, and he's saying Ed 209 was perfect to go.
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Who cares if it doesn't he work?
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That's a 25-year contract that we'll sell spares and repairs to.
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So we wasn't we wasn't caring, and that's that's the kind of the corporate greed and the corporate mindset that we're fighting against.
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Um and he's just he's he's such a good bad guy.
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Because I'm gonna jump over the place now and I hope he can come along for the ride.
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What was the main bad guy called again?
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Uh the one at the very end, the the CEO of it with the grey the white hair.
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Dick Jones.
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Dick Jones.
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So Dick Jones, he's great at playing characters.
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I don't know if you've ever seen him in um he he I forget his name, he was in Halloween 3.
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I've gonna say no.
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You've never oh same character, yeah.
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Um again, CEO of this factory, making masks, killing children all over the United States.
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Nice, just he's brilliant at playing these characters, he's amazing.
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Yes.
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Let's I let's talk about this.
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I want to get into this because we might do a Wii top five list to the end, but oh no, is Clarence Bodtiger one of the greatest 1980s villains?
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Ah What that's how we see some like oh god, just he doesn't look intimidating all, does he?
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:12.079
When you just first when you first look at him, but boy, he is a he is a crazy intimidating guy.
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Don't I mess with it?
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He's mental.
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Yeah, he is a fucking psychopath.
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Completely ruthless, zero emotion.
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It's the eyes, man, the the hair.
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I know he's just he is you know he is ruthless.
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Yeah, it's like one of the first because you get introduced to him, and one of the first scenes he's in, again, we just spoke about it, is the the car chase scene where Murphy's still Murphy, and one of his henchmen gets injured, and he just chucks him out the back like none.
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Um and when he anytime he's on camera, I don't even remember the actor's name, and I always remember him just as Red Faye.
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That's the 70s show.
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:58.720
Um but like he's one of those character actors where the camera loves him, and he's so like he's got a charm to him.
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Aye, he's he's so energetic and aye magnetic, is what I like to say.
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:19.759
You just kind of take your eyes off him because he's in this film, he's unhinged, and when he's laughing at other people's misfortunes, he's laughing at um Murphy, give him an ahead and all that sort of stuff.
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:37.519
And but as much as I think he's actually a really well-rounded character because as much as he is a tough guy when he's being tough, he's so snivelling uh-huh in like coward, so much cowardice when he's like on the other side of it when Robo comes up against him and he's like, no, no, no, and he and he grasses out Dick Jones.
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.119
I work for Dick Jones! Yeah, Dick Jones, um, and all that sort of stuff.
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.279
So it's such a He kind of reminds me of the Joker in the Dark Knight, slightly.
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Oh, interesting.
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Do you do you know what I mean?
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With just with the henchmen and then just kind of grassing out other people and just so he can get his way and kinda like like kind of get squeeze his way out of it so he can come back later on and get you again, yeah.
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.319
So can I get yeah, Heath Ledger, Joker vibes wrong?
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.079
Slightly, yes, I do.
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:18.079
How right let's talk about one of the reasons or or in fact maybe it doesn't work.
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:35.440
Do you think the film's success is carried on how realistic the portrayal of the Robocop suit is because it's futuristic enough in the fact that he's a cyborg, yeah, but it's still realistic enough that they made that suit to work in the real world.
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So do you think there is something because there's some suits that don't work, and there's something like a lot of the to not to shit on them, uh-huh, but the for the last few years the MemCU superhero suits have all been CGI, yeah, and they'll start going to the nanotechnology and that just all that sort of stuff whereas we have Peter Weller strapped inside this big thing walking about, uh huh.
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:09.599
It's it's setting the not to distant future, it's supposed to be futuristic, but we can date that, yeah, and you you can almost because you're seeing it in him interacting with other people, yeah.
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:19.440
You're seeing him interacting with characters, etc., and and in backgrounds, does that the weight of that and the weight of the suit?
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:27.599
I mean it has to I'm I'm I'm trying to poise this as a question, but it does it well no, it does, and you can see there's human qualities to it as well.
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:36.720
And Peter Weller brings out that human emotion throughout that suit, even though he's playing a cyborg, but he does it so well.
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.880
The artists who worked on it, obviously, there was different design aspects.
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.119
I think there was different looks to how Robocop was gonna be, and they've obviously gone with that one.
00:27:45.359 --> 00:28:04.240
I think it just resonated with um you know with the times and uh what was going on back in the 80s, and the the the the look of the suit just I thought was just absolutely flawless in what the artists done, like what they came up with because it was a heavy suit to wear, yeah, and it was trying to find the right material to make this suit from.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.599
And I think it wasn't anything that existed before they had to make up this concoction or try and make these new moulds and stuff as well.
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:20.640
But if you go back to if you see the original design of the Predator suit that John Claude Van Damme was wearing before they done the redesign to how Predator looks now, it looked awful.
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.039
Really?
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:30.400
I don't know if you've seen I might have so Van Damme was originally meant to play the Predator, but his suit looked like a it was like a red prain mantis, right?
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.119
And it had these kind of yellow gold beady eyes, it looked awful, right?
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:50.880
So imagine we got that compared to what the redesign with Stan Winston got involved and made the new printer's uh predator suit, you know, it was flawless, it was beautifully executed, it was great, and I the same goes to again we're in the same decade with Robocop suit, yeah, yeah.
00:28:50.960 --> 00:29:02.960
The effects were and again Peter Wellers prosthetic the balds and they go back a bit and then they go back between scenes where he's in the lab, and it's uh it's a it's a dummy as well.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.519
I get you can tell it was a dummy, but it was just beautifully, beautifully made.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.039
I just loved it, and it was so it was quite nightmarish as well.
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:11.759
Yeah, uh huh.
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.000
I think there's there's a lot to be said on the quality of the Robocop suit, uh huh.
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:32.640
And I think people often may or may not overlook Peter Weller's actual performance and how he moved his body with yeah, well, minimal movements he moved it as like everything absolutely had to be just as much as it needed to be to be practical.
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.880
There was a rhythm to his movement, yeah.
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:41.759
He couldn't just go aye like there was a rhythm to the movement and to obviously how they were gonna do it in post with the sound effects, yeah.
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:48.880
And I don't think people yeah can grasp like how much work that took and the weight of the suit that he was wearing that he was strapped in all day.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:56.160
So I know, and that like when he eventually does take his mask off, like the seam from from the effects to his face, uh couldn't he see it?
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:56.720
Couldn't see it now.
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:05.119
It was it wasn't because all the way back with the kind of metal and you can see where he got shot in the head and it was just yeah, amazing.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:15.519
And he's he's such a good he's like invokes so much emotion through his eyes because that's pretty much the only place he was able to to make the story realistic.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:32.960
Like he's he's a cyborg, yeah, but he still has like Murphy's eyes, and you can feel like even even all all you can see is his mouth when he goes and visits like his old house and stuff like that, and it's through the music, through the um the blocking, through the the the movement of that.
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.599
He's you're portraying this guy who's lost everything.
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:45.279
Yes, and you're you're obviously projecting your emotions onto how you would feel in that moment, but the guy's a fucking emotionless cyborg at this point for all we know.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.000
Absolutely, yeah.
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:56.160
It's it's such a well-crafted film, and it makes you it like we've we spoke about before, it gives you just enough for you to like fill in your own gaps and have your own reaction to it.
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:14.960
Yeah, and again, like kudos to the production team because the the RoboCop just has its own unique style in regards to the architecture of the buildings that were used, the Detroit uh Detroit streets, the police cars that were used, the the the model of um police cars that they used in it as well.
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:21.599
Like, as soon as you see that um I'm I forget what make it was, but you're just Robocop car or the gun.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:30.880
If I if I see if I see a rep call RoboCop gun, it's just it's just the production design, it just has this unique style to the to the movie where you just instantly go Robocop.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:31.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.000
Uh-huh.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.440
There are two there's a big bad and there's a little bad in this film.
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.400
Okay, the big bad's Dick Jones, who's the number two OCP.
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:38.720
Yeah, okay.
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:39.920
He designed Ed 209.
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.480
He hates Bob who who's a bit of an arsehole as well.
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:42.799
Uh huh.
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.079
Very unlikable character.
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.160
Um, and then there's Clarence Bodiger.
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.960
So we have basically opposite ends of the spectrum.
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.720
Bob does um sorry, Dick Jones doesn't really raise his voice.
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.680
Um, he's built, and this is something that I thought was really interesting and really, really cool.
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.319
His aura essentially is built by everybody else's reaction to him.
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:09.680
Okay, because he's done some shit in the past, but we don't know what that is, but it's everybody like the murmurs and that.
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:18.480
And one of the funniest scenes, and one of the best scenes, is when they go into the executive bathroom and they're having a pee, and Bob's talking shit about Dick Jones and he's sitting having a shite, and you can see it.
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:29.680
I feel like his point of view, he shoes, and the guy everybody like hushes and gets out of the bathroom, and then he comes at the thingy, and the guy recognises Dick Jones and he like pulls his fly up and like there's pee odd in his trousers.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.279
See, like this guy is not meant to be trifled with, he's not meant to be messed with.
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:35.599
Uh huh.
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.960
He's such like a like a business shark, such a bad guy, uh-huh.
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.279
But he just he doesn't need to he doesn't need to peacock himself with Clarence Bodiger.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:33:06.799
And it's it's such an interesting way to have to to insert both of those types of villains into your film in such a successful way because Clarence Bodiger is the exact opposite in the best possible way, because he's all peacock feathers and effing and seeing and and and shooting people and and being what you would think a uh a stereotypical bad guy from an 80s acting film would be.
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:16.400
So I think having those two that kind of contrast between yeah, contrast between those two guys is just it's another thing that's just well executed, it's so well executed.
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:34.880
Like people sleep on Robocop, I think, because it is a bit of a silly premise, it's a it is a cyborg, but like it's in the same lane as your predators, your kickboxers, blood sports, underseas, any of the Rambo movies, it's it's it is up there with these types of films from the 80s, I would say anyway.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:37.920
Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:45.920
Yeah, so who and this is a a a nice wee one to ponder.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.119
Who is actually the villain of Robocop?
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.759
So is the villain Clarence Bodeker?
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.200
Is it Dick Jones?
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.160
Is it OCP or is it the system?
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.559
I'll give you my take, but I want to hear your take first.
00:33:58.880 --> 00:33:59.279
My take.
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.440
My take is that Dick Jones is the villain of Robocop.
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:15.760
Okay, because I think even though they're a faceless multi-billion dollar conglomerate, OCP can be used for good.
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.559
They're trying to build, what is it, Mega City One?
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.440
Uh-huh, yeah.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.880
They're trying to build for a positive future into Detroit.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.360
Uh-huh.
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:32.880
So I can't with all good conscience say that they're the bad guy because one person was like a shitty system.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:34.000
Manipulate the system.
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:34.400
Yeah.
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.400
Um, Clan Spodaker, as much as I love him, is a pawn.
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.920
I suppose you say, yeah, I feel like he's a pawn in the the works.
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:42.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.840
So I would say Dick Jones is is is the real vulnerable guy who's gonna be a good one.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:58.800
I agree with you on that, but also again, and going to the system and how they're manipulating how the everyone around them is accepting that this is this is fine.
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:17.119
Even the people, like you know, this is this is this is fine, it's okay to do this, and it's just everyone against each other, they're um you know, they're they're fighting against themselves instead of fighting against the system, you know, and it's all about what resonates with today's culture with power and money.
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:43.519
Um so yeah, I agree with you than that, but also they have a choice, they've got like uh the responsibility to do to do good and to you know be better, but they chose not to because they're all um just going along with what their master is telling them to do.
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:56.559
Again, we spoke about it last week on our vertigo episode, and this is what I really love about it as soon as the story is finished, and not a frame after it ends, yeah.
00:35:58.639 --> 00:35:59.519
What's your name?
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.159
Murphy, beautiful, love it.
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.880
There's no not no hanging up happy ending, not him going back to his family or anything like that.
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:09.760
Exactly.
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.079
Um so I let's let's get into let's get into some of the good deaths.
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:20.000
Um god, I think Murphy's is a good death, yeah.
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:29.360
I was gonna say like see the expression in his eyes when he gets his hand shot, yeah, and just the overall that oh like that gets me.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:37.360
Yeah, Clarence is a effing brutal death when like no aye when Murphy and his spike, he's an information spike, yeah.
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.400
The USB like into the throat, yeah.
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.360
Just there's there's no big climax to that.
00:36:45.440 --> 00:37:02.880
The the guy I can't remember his name drops the the steel on Murphy and he's just lying there and Clarence like stabs him through the heart, and then you're you're expecting some big fight or some big showdown, and Murphy just spiking the neck, and like he's like Clarence is splitting blood, blood, even in the background.
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:04.960
That is that is a lot of blood.
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.559
This is so graphic.
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:13.760
Um and then obviously I know my favourite the five it was a it's the best it's the best death scene.
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:28.880
I can't even remember his name, but it's like the toxic sludge sludge, um that makeup is unreal, it's so brutal, and that is like just what you're doing there.
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.639
I think the makeup's only half the story.
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:42.960
His performance where he's we were talking about it in Texas Jane saw the episode for gasping for breath, he's almost doing the same thing with Louis like he's he's suffering, absolutely, and it was amazing to see.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:47.039
Um but it was so oh my god, it was shocking.
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.320
Yeah, it was really well done.
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.960
It's not even that, it's not even the toxic sludge, it's Clarence runs him over and he just exposes.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:07.679
What a brutal death, and I think that's like one of the high it's one of the main highlights from the movie because it's what when you talk about Robocop, you talk to anyone about Robocop, they talk about that death every time.
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:11.920
It's brilliant, and he he he delivers on our favourite lines earlier on.
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:23.840
It's you're dead, we killed you when Robocop uh records that and then he figures it like that that's start him the beginning of his journey to figure out or remember that he's not Julie Murphy.
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:24.159
Uh-huh.
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:46.159
Um and it's it's there was nice wee touches in there that I thought um it's probably obvious to everybody who's seen it that's um but showing Murphy's journey because when we first get introduced to him as Robocop uh and they pull the sludge out and thingate to him, uh-huh it's like, oh, this is Robocop, he's a cyborg, he's property of OCP, and then the guy's like, Oh, Johnson's like, Oh, it tastes like baby food.
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:46.559
Uh-huh.
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:58.239
And then when we get to the metalworks or whatever it is, there um and Murphy's taking his hat off and he's he's kind of remembering who he is, and the thing that he's using his target practice on is baby food.
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.480
So he's like, I'm not Robocop anymore.
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:01.440
I'm Murphy again.
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:02.880
So I just like that.
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.079
We we touches like that.
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.239
So there's layers to this film, it's not just a silly, yeah.
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.840
No, there is layers, it's a side board, right?
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.840
Robocup guy in the head with that.
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.039
But no, I I I love it to death.
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.039
I think I've got all the quotes out that I wanted to get out.
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:15.920
You sure?
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.159
Uh apart from the good one he messaged me the other night.
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.679
Oh, she was sweet.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.119
I took her out.
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:26.719
You got out of your system, mate.
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.400
Oh wait, um, I think so.
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.280
It's all it's mostly Clarence and the bad guys.
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:44.880
Yeah, because I I think I've said Dick Jones, I want to work for Dick Jones, and uh it's not even a funny quote.
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.119
I just laughed and when he kills Bob, the guy who made Robocop.
00:39:49.840 --> 00:40:01.519
He's and he's he's cum though um having a good time with some ladies of the night and loads and loads of cocaine, and uh Clarence Buttiger just shows up and goes, bitches out, bitches leave or something.
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:03.440
I'm like, What?
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:06.239
Um I just love it.
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:28.239
I just think it's such a good like not taking himself so seriously as a bad guy performance, and I think that it's like it's the satire that makes this as well as the series because you couldn't have a serious film like this without the level of like satire and like comedic characters as well, and that's what the 80s were all about with all these type of bad guys and the satire and their one-liners.
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.400
Exactly, everybody was looking for the one-liner, and this this was full of them, man.
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.480
I I absolutely love the cop absolutely right.
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:56.559
Um, so we've kind of covered and then the biggest thing to take away from this as for for the whole Robocop journey, um, or Alex Murphy's journey, is he goes through a sort of obviously a rebirth to be a new Alex Murphy at the end, but he does leave the film as Alex Murphy, he doesn't remain Robocop.
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:02.159
Robocop, yeah, um which is I mean that's a hero's journey if ever I've seen one.
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:03.039
Yeah, totally, yeah.
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:08.320
Um let's get into the nitty-gritty quickly.
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:14.480
Could Robocop actually exist in the real world today?
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:24.559
Today possibly possibly the way we're going with technology kind of I don't think we're there yet.
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:25.280
Right.
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.519
But possibly like we're all talking about AI and stuff.
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:33.119
Talking about AI, so yeah.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.920
Yes, but I don't think it would go down too well.
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:55.440
No, no, I I I mean there are depending on how conspiratory you want to go, there are variations of this as well with like um online surveillance and video cameras being everywhere and all that sort of stuff and clamping down on metaglasses, yeah.
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.360
Um we're we're basically we're allowing ourselves to police each other.
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.559
Yeah, um so you don't fucking need a Robocop, everybody's grassing everyone there.
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:06.559
Um so stop it.
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.239
Do you think do you think you know what you just asked me?
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.480
Like, could it get away, you know, do you think Robocop could exist today?
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:17.039
No.
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:26.079
No I think we've outgrown the the physical police force.
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:31.039
If it's for some and laugh, or something that's futuristic as that, I think we've outgrown the the our physical police presence.
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.800
Everything's way too digital now, yeah, that it would it would any really make sense.
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.119
I think there would be a digital version of RoboCuff.
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:50.559
I don't think I don't think the the police force being in command of what's going on, but more corporate government influence, possibly military, who knows?
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:51.519
Who knows?
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:52.079
Who knows?
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.719
And on that dreary note we'll leave you.
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:55.840
Thanks for watching.
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.679
Go watch Robocop if you haven't watched it.
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.920
Um definitely you'll love it, you'll love it, yes, indeed.
