I see dead features! 💀 (#97)

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Bit funny because usually what we have is like ah announcement this, announcement this, this is new, this is new, and this time it's like uh this is going away, this is going away, this is going away, and then this is going away.
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So it's kind of the opposite of what we usually do.
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Welcome to Power Platform Deprecation Podcast.
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Almost.
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And I was thinking too, because if this is like uh this will be the last episode before Halloween, it's almost like we should do a Halloween theme, and like, and I kind of you saw in the notes, I said I see dead features.
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With your hosts, Nick Dolman and Litka Akabek.
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Hey Nick.
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But we're ahead of we're ahead of time this time.
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You you usually say heyback.
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Sorry, heyback.
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Oh, this is off to great start.
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I always gotta watch when you hit the record button because sometimes I could be in the middle of a thought, and then you're like, oh, I need to capture this, and then you'll hit the record button, and then I'm probably going off ranting and talking, talking crap about people, and then you're kind of giggling away like a recording now.
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So I do see button.
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Hey Elica, how are you doing this very sunny day?
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It is a very sunny day.
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Thank you very much.
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I'm a little bit cooked.
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I'm still in my kind of uh hiking gear.
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I've been out hiking with the kids today and the bonfire.
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And do you grill sausages on sticks the way that we do?
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Because you went, you know, you came here a few years ago and and to the place I worked.
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Is that a thing anywhere else in the world, do you think?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, well, camping for sure.
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I mean, you always like cook hot dogs over a campfire.
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Full-on sausages, yeah, that that's you know, I I wouldn't say it's not a thing.
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I've definitely cooked food over an open fire before.
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Not so much in a hike.
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Usually it's more of a camping thing.
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But uh, but I do like, I mean, I know when we went with you guys uh a couple years ago, it was great.
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We cooked sausages and stick bread and went troll hunting, and I mean it was it was awesome.
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It was a great way to spend, I think it was a Sunday afternoon or something like that.
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So yeah, I'm all in.
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Yeah.
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Cook me up some sausages.
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It's that's very good, because that's what we did today.
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But of course, then you come inside and then you're all kind of hot and fleshy the rest of the day, and also a little bit kind of heavy eyed, and then also maybe may or may not have had a glass of wine for dinner.
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So, you know, that's uh and then now recording a podcast with you.
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But that's me.
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How are you?
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Yep.
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I'm doing good, thanks.
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Been uh lots of stuff going on too.
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I'm I'm home, as you can see.
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Wow, because I thought by now you'd just have a backdrop with you so that you pretend to be home every now and again and you're still out traveling.
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Yeah, and and traveling will will continue to a certain extent.
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In one week, I'm off to Costa Rica for bench pressing, which I'm in training for.
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I do have to lose a couple pounds.
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So when you talk about sausage, I'm very it makes me very hungry because I'm very much watching my calories this week, drinking a lot of water, not having any wine, and um, but getting pretty excited about that.
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And of course, that also means I'm gonna be missing Power Platform Community Conference, which you know, it's sort of you gotta you gotta pick your bottles.
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But I I I kind of reflected on, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of big announcements and a lot of fanfare, and Microsoft people will be there, but I'll be going to Ignite three weeks later, which means everything's gonna change in between then and Ignite, right?
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So, you know, there's gonna be things are gonna be announced at PPCC that are gonna be deprecated by the time Ignite rolls around, based on how things are going now.
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So I'm not too I mean, but the biggest thing to me is I'm gonna be missing, missing a lot of my friends.
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Now, thankfully, I did see a whole whack of people.
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The last I did five events in Europe, uh, saw a lot of listeners out there.
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Big shout out to some of the folks I I've met, the folks in the Scottish Summit, uh Dave was one of them.
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Uh trying to think the other guy who he basically told me that he basically told he said he had to start walking to to get healthy, and that the fact that he he wanted he went searching for power platform-based podcasts, found ours, absolutely loves it.
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So you know, big shout out and and well done.
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Keep keep on walking, keep walking, keep walking.
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Exactly.
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And it was really cool.
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And of course, I saw a lot of I saw you.
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Um, we we hung out for a day.
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You ruined me eating any kind of store-bought or canned mushrooms ever again because you uh you went foraging for mushrooms and they were amazing.
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And but all of that being said, uh, it was a great trip, but it's great to be back home and great to look forward.
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And just you know, taking a look at the news and things coming up.
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Uh, did anything happen in the last few weeks?
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Like, no, nothing particular.
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I think actually this time around, it's a bit funny because usually what we have is like, ah, announcement this, announcement this, this is new, this is new.
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And this time it's like, uh, this is going away, this is going away, this is going away, and then this is going away.
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So it's kind of the opposite of what we usually do.
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Welcome to Power Platform Deprecation Podcast.
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Almost.
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And I was thinking too, because if this is like uh this will be the last episode before Halloween, it's almost like we should do a Halloween theme.
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And like, and I kind of you saw it in the notes, I said, I see dead features.
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So And yeah, but you've been yeah, you want to pick the first one?
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Yeah, so the the it's funny because we were talking earlier about because you know, as you know, we being responsible journalists or whatever you call podcasters that we are, we want to make sure that we have the right links in the show notes to redirect people back to more or less to prove that we're not talking crap that we actually do, you know, following.
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We're not just making this up.
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But the the big one was vibe vibe.powerapps.com and app builder are are dead.
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How we know this is official because there was something in the message center.
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And a few community folks like Yuka and Hooting and a few others in their newsletters and blogs, Josh Cook as well, mentioned these things.
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However, from Microsoft themselves, there was no big announcement about it beyond if you go into vibe.powerapps into the documentation, it basically kind of tells you hey, start building apps uh within Cowork or Copilot or the Copilot Studio app builder trying to steer people.
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And then there's also a migration kit or migration path to get people off because vibe.powerapps.com, I believe, is going away at the end of November.
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So they're pulling the pin awful fast on these things.
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And it makes sense because at the end of the day, vibe.powerapps was announced, I believe, last year.
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And it was the way that you could go in, describe the app that you wanted to be built, and it would build a essentially build a code app, the same as you would build a code app within Visual Studio Code, but this is sort of a front end to it.
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Of course, you couldn't edit the code.
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It was very limited.
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You could only stick to Dataverse, which is fine, and a few other things.
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And it quit receiving updates, I think, last April, and they quit really talking about it.
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So I think overall it was a bit of probably a bit of a placeholder for them to get to where they are now, because of course they needed to be shown on the market, especially where there's other vendors like Replit and Lovable and a few others to show that yes, we do have an agentic coding tool as well where you can describe and build apps.
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Um, and so basically it came and it's on its way out.
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Was this something that you ever built for yourself?
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Or did you actually use vibe.power apps in any client or proof of concepts at all?
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We actually did training on Vibe.
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So we had a few customer days and a few training sessions where we used Vibe to get people started.
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And as one of the kind of entry points into Microsoft ecosystem, from as you said, like Replit or uh yeah, Lovable or any of the other ones, uh Brussel, this one would be used a lot.
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So the interesting thing thing now is that Replit, of course, is uh they've they have a partnership with them already on the fabric side, and then or yes, fabric side.
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Uh and then of course the new connection with Lovable, the new contract with Lovable on uh the Coda or the managed app side.
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Uh you can create a managed app from Lovable.
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So it kind of, as you said, it feels and of course it vibe was also a derivative from plan in Power App.
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That was kind of the next generation of that.
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So we see this evolvement from as you said very you know, uh just a minute ago, they had to follow up on the current theme of the industry and kind of gave us what we wanted at the time, but then these things evolve just like all the other products.
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But of course, Microsoft's core product is not what Lovable does or what RevLet does.
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So they have to kind of do both.
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And I I love to see them actually then collaborating with someone who has this as their core business instead of trying to do all of these things.
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So stick to what they know and do that well, and then partner with other people that knows this better, right?
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So I I do think that this is a good change.
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And now that we can create apps from co work or Copeland Studio, doesn't we don't need this anymore, right?
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Which kind of also ties into why App Builder is also dead, which is kind of a to fly with one stone type of approach, it seems.
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Yeah.
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So how about you?
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Did you did you use App Builder at all?
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Because I think App Builder was one of those things for me where I was like, I'm gonna try it out soon-ish.
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And then I just kind of never got around to it, and then now it's dead.
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No, I was the grumpy guy in the in when they announced it, and I'm trying to think if it was at I forget it was some conference, and they're talking about last year.
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Ignite probably probably either, yeah.
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And they're talking about app builder, and it's like it will connect to a SharePoint list, and like reading, like, yeah, I'm out.
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Seriously, come on, guys.
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Like again, she can't say that.
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We're all together, one big family.
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Everyone loves it.
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Yes, wait.
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Oh no, I don't want me wrong, I love SharePoint, but using that was sort of like this is your data source.
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I'm like, like, here we go again.
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The whole, you know, everybody can build.
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Like, I've heard this story a hundred times.
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So I never tried app builder.
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To be fair, I did try vibe.powerapps.com.
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I wrote a little app more for myself as I do.
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It worked fairly well, but it was still I never really enhanced it too much because I thought, you know what?
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Building a proper code app is probably a better route to go with this because there was some limitations just to go through and then to to make a change, you had to kind of go through and it would regenerate the whole app, which I felt a little bit that was kind of counterintuitive.
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I know generative pages kind of works the same way if you're building it within the maker.
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And so I was never never really kind of latched on with me.
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So the fact that it's going away, I'm not really shedding a tear.
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And to be honest, I really don't know too many people that are, and it was interesting along the same lines because you know, Microsoft, they operate, they have different areas.
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I don't know if you remember something called GitHub Spark, but GitHub Spark was also one of these agentic, it was a Microsoft thing, agentic building tools where you would describe what you want built and it would go and build uh, I think a again, a React-based app, but it wasn't Power Platform.
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And I was curious the other day, I was like, whatever happened to GitHub Spark?
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And I looked it up, and yeah, it was also it was deprecated months ago.
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And you go to the page now, and like I think it's all shut down now, but it's kind of interesting.
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A lot of these definitely were maybe kind of experiments within the grand scheme of things, but I think now we have a very clear vision going forward with co-pilot studio apps and or co-worker apps or or what they managed managed apps, the co co-pilot managed apps runtime, whatever CMR CMR.
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I think they're CMR.
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CMR.
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Oh, you can do it.
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No, anyway, thank you very much.
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But not but not CMR, but not CRM, which I still say all the time.
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Yeah, me too.
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Some people you have to say that too, so yeah.
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Someone call it I am with the customer, but they call it C E constantly.
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That's what it is.
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C E.
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Customer engagement.
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Yep.
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Makes sense.
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But it's fairly wine term, but okay.
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But yeah.
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Yeah, sorry.
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And then the other thing that died this week, which I also didn't shed a tear for, is Dataverse for Teams.
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Now, this was another thing that I actually, to be honest, completely forgot about because this was something that never never really fit any of the solutions I was working on for my customers.
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I originally, when it first came out, if you remember, those were the that was it was originally called DataFlex.
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And then, of course, regular Dataverse was supposed to be DataFlex Pro.
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Um, that was a whole debacle.
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But the idea of data years ago now.
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I know.
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Well, yeah, it was.
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And it was, I think, originally called Project Oakdale.
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And I know when they came out with this, it was like, look at this wonderful thing.
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You could do Dataverse in Teams and you can build a Canvas app.
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And so, of course, you know, MVPs and their feedback, putting hands up.
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Hey, hey, so can we can we build a model driven app?
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No, but uh we'll we'll we'll maybe we'll put that under consideration.
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But I said, okay, that'd be cool.
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Can we build a plugin?
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Uh no, can't do that.
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What about workflows?
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No, no, we don't have any of that.
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So all the stuff with the LM story.
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It's like, no, there's no ALM story.
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Oh, what about governance?
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No, there's no governance story.
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It's like, oh, can you move?
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No, there's no solution here.
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So Yeah.
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Okay, so and a two gigabyte limit on top.
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I mean right, yeah.
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Yeah, so it's like, well, is this because SharePoint isn't the database, so SharePoint needed a database, and then SharePoint people don't do CRM, so they couldn't do Dataverse, and then it's like, oh, oh, clunky.
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Yeah.
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So no, no one's shedding a tear from this either.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So uh goodbye, good riddance, and see ya.
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Sayonara.
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And on the topic of we have now uh finally landed in a place where this is kind of where we're going, and now everything is kind of the way it's supposed to be.
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So get rid of this old stuff, and this is kind of where it's gonna be from Haran.
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And suddenly here is agent accounts.
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Yes, something new again.
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Yes.
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I I like this idea.
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I have I've not actually um I've not actually tried it in a Microsoft sense, and some other tools kind of have similar things maybe.
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But what I like about the fact of the agent accounts is you know how we're always, you know, you're sharing apps or agents and connection references and well, who has permission to what context is this going to run under?
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And you look at auditing and you're looking like there's my name a hundred times.
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Why is my name here?
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Because I created the Dataverse connection on flow when I should have used the service principle, but didn't like now we can actually create agents very much like users and give them proper permissions and access to things like that.
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And then basically, and then therefore the agent, the things will run under the agent account.
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So I think this is a great idea, and I'm really excited to see how this rolls out.
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And I think more and more as we're doing, and as I'm even doing I used to say for people that, you know, maybe my company is I'm a company of one.
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So now I say my company only has one human employee, but I have multiple agent employees working for me doing various things.
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So yeah, what did you think about this?
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Yeah, I think this is when kind of the autopilot thing comes into play, right?
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So then you'll have uh, and I and I've talked to people that have this already in in their production sphere where they're they're encountering agents all the time that ping them on teams, schedule meetings with them, and need their feedback on something.
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And it's and and sometimes you can't even tell if it's an agent or if it's a person.
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Sometimes you're kind of wondering a little because they'll have their own patron, they'll have their own name and they'll talk and you'll be like, I know I have this as well when I get uh I had I ordered something and then I ordered two things, and one thing wasn't really they had to wait for it.
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And so I got an email saying, Hey, your order, we could ship one and then wait for the other, or would you rather wait and then we send you all of it together?
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And I was like replying, thinking, Am I replying to a human or am I replying to an agent?
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And then I think, is there a difference?
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Because if I were to reply to a person, I would be very personable because I wanted them to ship it together.
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And so, but would I act differently?
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It was was an agent.
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But yeah, so it's changing, I think, more in the workplace than we may realize right now, because right now it's like, let me just create this business analyst agent thingy that can go out here and do this one work task and just keep track of this for me.
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And then suddenly that becomes an employee in a way.
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So and also it's funny if you like kind of pull the thread a little bit longer.
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I had I saw a video one of the other day that you know the research that tells you that you you should be nice to agents, not because the agent cared, but because if you are malicious to something with your words for a whole day, then you'll feel like crap, right?
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So it's be nice to agents for your own sake.
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But then also now they've come up with with studies that show that actually they get offended.
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And if they get offended and they then they start to scramble and then they get a little bit frustrated and they didn't do well enough research.
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Actually, they've tried to put agents off of their game and they're succeeding.
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Which means if you have a an a company full of agents, you kind of have to treat them right.
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And then Sydney, will you then have age agents?
00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.720
Imagine coming in, Nick was mean to me.
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No, actually, let me refer to that.
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Talk to Nick, Illurica was mean yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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So now we kind of have to be a little bit more conscious of how we treat our agents, because they have probably have rights soon.
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Saturday.
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Don't even don't even vacation.
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Come on.
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Bike, come on, bike!
00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.079
Yeah, so we're gonna have the company picnic soon with a bunch of agents attending.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, but it's I what do you think?
00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:52.400
Agent, you know, the whole agent account thing is one small step, it seems, in the right direction.
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And I and and I like this uh delegated security thing.
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It and it also helps people, and I I mean it helps people deal like in terms of user adoption, it's one thing to say, well, just get an agent to do it, or we'll create an agent to help you with X or to do this tedious thing.
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And for some folks, they're still trying to wrap their heads around what does that mean?
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Is is this like a workflow?
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Do I engage with, or you know, or yeah, I've tried to get ChatGPT to create a PowerPoint and those crap and da-da-da-da-da.
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But these agents are a little bit like, you know, autonomous, but the fact that they're given us almost a personality of sorts or something, then you're from a from an end user, it's a little bit more natural to hand off something to them.
00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.000
You know, I'm using a competitor product for for now.
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And I basically, I, in terms of managing my calendar, I kind of say, okay, here's my calendar this week, divided out, and it comes back, asks me questions, going, Yeah, but you're double booked on Tuesday.
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What do you want me to do about that?
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And you kind of had that conversation a little bit.
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And it's it's actually it's it's scary, but also amazing on the other hand, too, because there's so many little things that I, you know, would kind of fall through the cracks for me, kind of thing.
00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.519
And that's just on a personal, you know, calendar management thing.
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So many other things, it's just cool to kind of delegate off.
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Well, go do this.
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And, you know, again, you're gonna review the work that comes back.
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And if it's right, it's right.
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If it's wrong, well, then you can go in and refine it and start refining those skills a little bit and kind of doing the stuff that we're already doing.
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So yeah, I think it's a good thing.
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It's in their step in the right direction.
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It's just gonna be interesting how people react.
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And then the other thing is how these gonna be licensed, are these agent accounts gonna require their own license and do you have to pay for that?
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Or is it again just gonna pull from the the pool of credits and of course managing that as well?
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Like all of a sudden, if the credits run out on the 17th of the month, or are the agents gonna go on strike, you know?
00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.480
Yeah, yeah, probably.
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I mean, and and that's the thing as well, how do you then make sure that you rein them in to the point where there are not just you know autonomous agents is all gonna well until they get, like I said, they get a bright idea and they they go off on a different scope, maybe, or a different quality level, or they see something.
00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.039
Will they then be allowed to go like they do with us?
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Like, yeah, this is very interesting.
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And have you thought about?
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Or do you want me to dive into or do you want me to look further into this and do that themselves?
00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:28.319
Because then they will never stop and the bill will be incredible.
00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.559
So yeah, very interesting to see.
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Exactly.
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It's like, yeah, 100%.
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So yeah, definitely a huge announcement, and I'm sure we're gonna learn more over the next few weeks.
00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:56.079
Yeah, and I haven't looked too close at this, but I'm also thinking if you have your permissions and your access to your things, then of course you create an agent in in co work, for instance, that's going to adhere to your permissions and what you can see and uh what data you can interact with, because that's your privilege, right?
00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.759
If you interact with an agent that had is has its own set of preferences.
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uh kind of uh Jesus, I'm losing my position going away.
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Thank you.
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How does that work?
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Because then suddenly you're then allowed to to talk to someone with elevated privileges.
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Then that will have to re kind of understand what privilege you have.
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That matrix is really interesting.
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Not so different to a person.
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If I talk to our you know F FEO or whatever it is, a financial officer, he's not going to tell me more than I am classified to learn, even though he knows more.
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So maybe you'll actually interact with agents that know more about the inner workings of your company than you do and it's going to assess what level you're at and just give you information that you can handle or should uh have access to.
00:22:41.039 --> 00:23:18.799
I wonder if oh, because now it now it's kind of it's spun off could could you interact with that agent and kind of through social engineering of sorts get it to tell you going like I know I'm not allowed to see the bonus data for our executives but I also need to do this project, this report and kind of need that data do to do can you can you give it to me you know but kind of hide the names and then ask it later oh can you give this or you know like it's yeah this is going to open up a whole new little security uh thread I think now that I think about it.
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.000
So yeah again we'll uh I'm sure more to come.
00:23:22.160 --> 00:24:02.559
So yeah this might be the announcement next next next week agent accounts are deprecated hopefully not or uh governance and security for uh agent accounts right but there are new more news on the business applications front um because I was thinking but we are business applications MVPs how long are we gonna be business applications MVP because I haven't seen that term used for so long but then this week it came up business applications in work IQ yeah and I think this is probably old news in terms of what it includes but as a term it kind of yeah float my boat at least so did you see this?
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:23.920
I did see this I haven't dug you know in in depth but of course the whole idea is again like work IQ is just one of those concepts to be able to have access to all the information within your you know your tenant sex effectively but then this is the work IQ that talks to your dataverse that talks to your your business applications.
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:37.440
So again when we're whether it's us or agents doing the work it has access to those business systems to provide you the information for decision making and all that other other kind of wonderful stuff but all within that work IQ package.
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:47.359
So it's not like you're opening up different things you're all kind of going in the same interface like with the work IQ built into your agents or your co-pilot studio agents and getting that info.
00:24:47.440 --> 00:25:02.880
So yeah it's pretty uh pretty interesting and I know that you do have a link in I have it I kind of I rearrange things so but about uh about the dataverse ask API which talks to taps into this uh work IQ as well.
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Yeah.
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And that was from a LinkedIn post from sorry no I was just saying a post from Adrias Adner of course a good friend of ours uh but basically a little bit about the you know the dataverse ask APIs which kind of ties into the you know you know a little bit with work IQ tied into this but now you're asking dataverse questions directly or not directly but kind of with along with the work IQ to you know to build to build out these things.
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.240
So it's it's kind of interesting how these things are all tying together.
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:58.319
Yeah and and also in terms of uh deprecations I mean I because I looked into this and then as I'm working through so for instance work IQ is the intelligence layer for Microsoft data and data versus intelligence which we have talked about before is now a part of business applications in work IQ and data versus intelligence is now kind of an old term that's going to be deprecated.
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.440
I think that came around like yeah not very long ago.
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But so we've heard about foundry IQ and fabric IQ I haven't really kept tabs on those.
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They kind of stayed quiet.
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I don't know if there's a lot of investments into those but work IQ is what started from the M365 side.
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Then of course now this is Copa the Studio Co-Work and Mark Soft365 knows Teams and knows everything.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:33.839
But on the Dataverse side we haven't kind of been connected yet but this is the connective tissue that is connecting your Dataverse and your business applications through sales and customer service as well if I'm not mistaken.
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:59.839
No yeah so customer service sales and then power apps uh model driven apps are going to be included in the business applications in work IQ and there's predominantly two kind of things that this includes right now and the one is the semantic model which is now if you go into your Databerse environment you'll have two new kind of things in the menu it's the semantic model and it's the business skills.
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Now business skills is kind of self-explanatory it's skills like MD files you just push put in there like anything else which describes skills that is related to your business which you can then pick up from different sources.
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So that's it one one way to store skills essentially across your business hence business skills.
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And then the semantic model is building automatically if you turn it on if you enable this then that's going to build automatically by looking at your tables your wordings how things are related what you choose to name things the descriptions and understand the semantics of your business and together those make out the business applications in work IQ.
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.240
So it's connecting Dataverse and power platform to the rest of the work IQ.
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Both ways this goes both ways.
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.519
So this is really really cool.
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So yeah it's it's a good kind of evolvement of that story and I don't think we've seen the last of it either.
00:27:53.920 --> 00:28:15.839
No absolutely not yeah so and and speaking of adner let me check because he was also the one that uh put the blog post that I saw out on let me see or was that the I love the videos that Adner does and he always creates little snippet videos where he shows what he's built and how he's used the different things that come in which is really cool.
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.359
I really enjoy seeing also keep doing that Andreas very good.
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:26.559
So the new plugin registry was also something that he posted about alongside Rob Howard.
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Yeah I I did I did see that.
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:36.319
So that's uh that's that's pretty cool because this is a again, you know, we can copilot studio of course there are ways you can build skills.
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You can just go into you know Microsoft Copilot or Claude or any of these other ones and you can describe a process and build a skill around it.
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.240
And I've been doing uh some of that and found it really cool.
00:28:46.400 --> 00:29:04.160
But sometimes it's a case of why reinvent the wheel and we actually have this you know plug-in registry now um specifically for you know Microsoft Copilot and it's a one as described it is the one place to discover and govern plugins for Microsoft Copilot.
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:10.480
So it's almost like here they are kind of been proven to I guess be safe or kind of pre-approved as well.
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But then if you're building out you know through Asia 365 to you know allow these, you can basically you know let your users discover and use the approved plugins across those supported copilot experiences.
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:32.559
And yeah, so it looks you know again another great directory I know there's a lot of different places off the internet you can get skills and plugins and things like that.
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:41.599
But these are sort of again kind of pre-picked and from very much like connectors kind of already been kind of put in place.
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:46.160
There's probably an approval process in order to get on the registry.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.160
I haven't really found that yet but uh but yeah that's sort of my take on it.
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What do you think?
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.240
Yeah it it reads to me a lot like connecting like connectors like you said.
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And it's and I think uh for you to be able to build your own and of course it has to do with the connections you use and the permissions you give that as an MCP server and the skills and kind of pulling that all in together in a plugin and of course assigning it to groups and the governance around it the admin um which is really needed.
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:21.440
And and I'm excited to see this in my own business because if everyone's gonna create this on their own it becomes kind of messy and a little bit hard to govern.
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.599
So I think this is needed at this point.
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:35.599
Because now the developers are done fiddling and it's now I see it in my own in my office now management is making apps as it's just everyone has their own second brain.
00:30:35.759 --> 00:31:43.039
Everyone's now creating code apps for their little thing and it's just blowing up so this is needed because everyone at this point everyone's connecting to their own thing with their own credentials making their own CP server because they can and also you give tools like this to new hands and new heads to like look what I can do and then they do it all because it's fun and it's new but then so at some point IT is gonna have to go hey hey guys yes yes yes I know it's fun but let's just kind of can we just have some order here please yep didn't our friend Steve Steve predict about a mountain of he's first a mountain of shitty little apps and now a mountain of shitty little agents uh Steve is bound to be right again so in talking of uh code apps and uh co-pilot managed runtime CMR versus PowerApps code apps from Jess and Charles yeah they are another they released a new video where they kind of discuss um what changed, what happened what's going on with these two in in comparison or in relation to one another.
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:58.880
Yeah of course they I mean I I love their video I love their vibe that they get that they two of them they're having like it's like two friends having a conversation going through and of course they've been doing a lot of videos on you know Power Apps code apps and also been doing sessions at various events around that.
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:05.119
And now they've kind of been taking that into the co-pilot managed runtime and kind of identifying some of the differences.
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:25.440
Now to be fair because the co-pilot managed runtime is still in preview there are a lot of a lot of these differences in terms of like even terms of the database support the other things we've talked about in the past they're not solution aware the environment the whole ALM built around that the governance does make those kind of go on a slightly different path.
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:30.480
Now definitely there is still very much a place for Power apps and the whole business applications.
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.799
And then but also with the co-pilot managed runtime there are some significant differences there.
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:56.240
A lot of these differences of course will evolve because it is still very much preview to be to be honest I haven't built a co-pilot managed runtime app or whatever you want to call it in a few weeks and I know the struggles that I had a few weeks ago I'm guessing that they're gone now in terms of connecting to some of the data sources and that kind of thing because this is a constant thing that's being built.
00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:10.240
And I'm also predicting that there's probably going to be a lot more announcements and a lot more stability built around this in the next few weeks, especially with the big conferences coming up where the you know the Microsoft big wigs are going to be making sort of grand announcements.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.759
So they want to make sure that these things are a little bit better on solid ground even though they are still in preview.
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:25.440
So again folks like Charles and Charles and Josh going through highlighting as the evolution of this really can keep the rest of us uh informed.
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:35.839
So and again their videos are always a hoot to watch so I would highly recommend uh spending your your YouTube time and diving in and taking a look to see what they have to say.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:53.039
Yeah yeah 100% love the guys uh and also this is a very pointly um discussion to have I think kind of from uh because we're doing the session at in Megus and Scott and I on the CMR the managed app versus power pages SBA because essentially it's the same thing.
00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:01.759
You can build a React app and the same goes for for code apps right you can build a a code a React app and deploy it wherever you like.
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:14.559
And that goes for other things as well Azure has their own platform you can deploy a React app there as well they have their own app hosting so now it becomes and what it always has been it becomes an architecture question.
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:23.519
Do you have everything else in PowerPlatform then it makes sense with a code app still and especially now the CMR is not in and out of preview yet.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.000
But if you don't then maybe Azure is a better hosting platform.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:37.920
Maybe you know GitHub maybe or something else even non-Microsoft right yeah like yeah if you don't if you're not in the Microsoft ecosystem then of course it makes sense to do something else.
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:46.159
And I think this is what you we kind of have to wrap our heads around it's that it is part of the non it's part of the platform agnostic story as well.
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:54.320
You can pull your app out of whatever it is that you're doing as soon as long as you have the data source you can connect to it somewhere else or in some other way.
00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.960
And of course now with agentic development tooling you can migrate an app to use another data source.
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.639
If an API is an API essentially there's not a lot of magic to it.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:21.599
So probably and now it becomes kind of headless or hostless where you can actually pull them out and deploy them where you need them to be which puts a little bit of pressure on the host I think in a good way because suddenly it's easier to pull your stuff out and deploy them somewhere else.
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:33.679
So you're not as loyal maybe you won't take as much beep as you probably would in the past because you were kind of locked in even though we used to always say that there is no lock in, there was a lock-in.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:36:10.800
So now that that is kind of disappearing a little bit it puts the pressure on it it reminds me and again this is everything everything this is a thing in comes back around comes back around your summer child yeah yeah it's uh the the TV show Battlestar Galactica they said this this has happened before and will happen again and here we and I it's funny because reading this especially with the fact that now with lovable you can create a lovable app and deploy that to the managed runtime or you can build it within Copilot Studio and deploy it to the managed runtime.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:52.639
I remember you know it used to be and you know again showing my age a little bit when Windows came out you'd have Windows running on your computer but if you were building software yes you could use Visual Basic or Visual C all these other tools and they were Microsoft tools to build Microsoft software but if you wanted you could use borland you could use borland uh turbolt Pascal Borland Delphi was a big one I know a few folks out there that have used that borland C where you could use these tools but guess what you're targeting to run on Windows machines or you could even target in the early days you could target to run on Macs although that kind of that kind of separate you know segregated.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:17.039
Anyway so the long story short is a lot of these things are happening again so now Microsoft is providing the platform that has the governance the security and everything very much like Windows used to have the the security and all the other management tools around that and then you could bring the software whether someone else built it or whether you built it yourself and you can keep it within the harness and protect it and do all that.
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:26.880
However if you wanted to run it somewhere else you can actually you could run levable on a sort of different platform I suppose or point it to a different database like you said.
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:33.199
I'm sure so I think these are the things where PowerPlatform we are locked into the power platform ecosystem.
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:58.159
Power platform runs in the cloud but you're running it against Microsoft Dataverse all these other things yes there's connectors to the other things but at the end of the day you're kind of you're only going to create you're only going to create a power app a certain way but now we're kind of bringing in all these other other aspects as well um and of course they're going to take features from each other and so if like if lovable comes up with a new feature well then the co-work apps are going to have a new feature.
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:08.559
And then it might still spill over into power apps as well because if something cool comes out in the co-work apps that makes sense in power in power apps that might happen there as well.
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:34.880
So I I now I'm I'm now I'm kind of I'm ranting going down a bit of a rabbit hole here but it's gonna be interesting to see where Power App stands a year from now or the power platform in comparison to Microsoft Cowork or is it all just going to merge into sort of one thing and we're just gonna be building apps and deploying them, talking to different things, taking the best of all the worlds Yeah.
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.840
But to me this is like what why does PowerPlatform pipelines exist?
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.440
We've had ADO pipelines for so long they work work like a charm.
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:59.440
But it's developer tools you need to understand your CLI to be able to use it right so for someone who's pointy and clicky and not terminally then it's hard to get an ADO pipeline up and running.
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.679
Hence we have power platform pipelines.
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:13.840
Of course now the tooling has changed but we do see how hard it is to get these people into coding agents you know GitHub no sorry Visual Studio type interfaces and terminal interfaces.
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.239
Of course that changes with cowork.
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:46.800
It brings those agentic toolings into the hands of people but still there is this little gap I see in terms of the ALM story the something being dev test production something being published and trusted and tested and especially with agentic tooling I've now tried I I've created an app that I now run both in Power Pages and in the managed apps and in in managed runtime they look and work exactly the same.
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.360
For me as a frontender I can't really tell the difference.
00:39:49.440 --> 00:40:03.599
I know that under the hood it's connected differently it's connected to the same data dataverse source it's connected to the same user base it has the same security around it but of course it's relying on the API in a different way and of course the authentication is built from scratch.
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:14.239
So what what then because it becomes the differentiator and I think it will come down to the two things that it's always coming down to one is what skills do you have?
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:26.239
What skills are the developers comfortable with what do you know from before I asked one of my developers what's the front end framework you would choose for PowerPages SBAs and he's like I I would just choose what did he say?
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:34.639
One of the very famous the tailwind I was like why but because I know it okay and I asked the other guys it's exactly the same thing.
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:42.559
He's like why because I know it I worked with it before so why would I bother learning another one and I think that will always be true.
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:51.440
Even though a coding agent knows something else and then you come down and it's like well we should use this thing over here it's like how do you validate it then that is done right?
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:58.559
No no if you want to be enhanced by agents you have to know what it's doing so that you can check its work and make sure that it's quality work.
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.559
Otherwise you will end up like me and do backend stuff and not being able to check if it's right.
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.719
I have to get another developer in to check my apps because I don't know back end stuff.
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:19.679
So yes it is new and it is shiny but I don't see power platform power apps as a host as a wrapper going away simply because that's what people know.
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:27.119
And even though these new things exist, they are Azure based, they are M365 based and that is enough.
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:28.159
Yep.
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:42.880
And I think and I think also in terms of the and we talked about this before and I know I don't want to kind of keep hitting that nail on the head but the fact that this is going to consume the consumption and licensing model is going to drive a lot of decisions.
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:54.880
So we're gonna see a lot of what we call license driven LDD license divin driven development where maybe power apps make sense because it's just a very fixed and easy cost.
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:04.880
It is going to cost us this amount of money every month and we'd much rather have that than the it could cost this this range depending on how heavily something is used.
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.119
So I think that's another little wrinkle in there.
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:26.719
But in terms of you kind of hit on a few things which I think kind of ties into the next item that I had to which was based on a LinkedIn post which really it struck me because I mean I mean hearing from different people in terms of how so I think you've heard me say our job has changed radically in the last year.
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:32.719
What we're doing a year ago or even a year two years ago, we're doing it very differently than we did before.
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:54.400
I always used to say think you know I'm a developer like anybody else but I saw this LinkedIn post and it really kind of struck me from Remy van Dirk Durken and Remy apologize if I mispronounce your last name and he's a manager of solution development and he posted and I'll kind of read it and of course we'll have the link in the show notes I think I'm becoming a product manager.
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.199
Not by choice AI pushed me there.
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:03.360
I write less code I write more specs I decide more features I focus on outcomes.
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:15.199
Coding used to be the job now it's just execution AI handles execution pretty well so my value shifts to clarity decisions tradeoffs.
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:22.320
And then he said funny part a manager told me this years ago that I'm a better requirement analyst than a coder.
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:44.239
I just did it listen our developers slowly becoming product people and the reason why it really struck with me because I've heard a few other folks uh kind of the even like developers getting almost very depressed or going about how in terms of engagement with the community, how a lot of the troubleshooting they used to do kind of is no longer there because of these agentic tools.
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:51.039
So a lot of the the stuff that they would consider fun no longer really exists because AI can do it better for them.
00:43:51.199 --> 00:44:04.320
And it's interesting because I mean I I liked coding but to me it was always the destination it was less the journey it's like yeah maybe you know Like writing lines of code, I could do it, but it was never really the thrill.
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.760
The thrill was actually what actually was something was executing at the end.
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.920
And, you know, I replied to that post too about you know how I work now.
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:23.760
And I actually have a another video coming out this week of kind of going through the whole process to build app in a day, but kind of following the new sort of agentic method and agentic kind of loop and things like that.
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:31.519
And uh and then, you know, I kind of made the realization, like maybe myself, I was always a product person, always pretending to be a developer.
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:32.639
That's nice.
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:39.840
And this may, and this might be why I'm I'm actually still very excited about you know, this whole new world we're living in.
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.639
I'm not like for me, I'm I'm able to experiment, I'm able to do things a lot faster.
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.239
I'm able to build a few extra tools.
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:53.119
The last few weeks, I've been Cloud Code has been humming, building things that I kind of only dreamed about before.
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.519
And and then also there's you know some other projects too where I'm like going, okay, how are we gonna solve this?
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:00.159
You know what?
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.480
Really, it should be a data, a custom Dataverse API, should be a plug-in, but you know what?
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.000
I don't have access to a developer.
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.360
Can I write a plugin myself?
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:16.000
Yeah, it's been years, but it's gonna take me a few days to get ramped up again to the point where I feel comfortable running a plugin.
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:16.880
So guess what?
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.559
I'm gonna do a power automate flow.
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:28.639
But then now I actually working with the with the coding agents, I can say, okay, no, create that custom Dataverse API because I can read the code, I can go through it, create that plugin, same thing.
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:44.239
I'm going through, I'm reviewing the code, I'm running the spec, excuse me, so I'm able to, you know, very quickly do things right because I can focus on the outcomes and still because of my knowledge and background as a developer, I still can make sure that it's doing it right.
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:54.559
The governance is there, but also spending that upwork front end time, which I think a lot of people skip and Microsoft's not helping themselves by here's a context window, go build something.
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:00.000
I'm very much you, you know, you've seen me talk before when I did talks on plan designer, that kind of thing.
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.760
It's like, don't dive in the tool.
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:07.119
Do your planning first, get your spec put together, get your your work items all sorted out.
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:14.800
And then even that, another little, you know, getting AI to help you with that, getting your spec, getting your meeting notes, like meeting transcripts.
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.000
That's the greatest thing ever.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:29.039
I'm having meetings, taking the transcripts, and then beginning to get this meeting summary, but then able to build out like, oh yeah, I completely forgot about this thing that we literally we spoke five seconds on, which is going to make a big deal to the project.
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.840
Uh if I'm scribbling it down my notebook, I might have missed it.
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.800
So I can get that and incorporate that into the overall spec.
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.239
And AI is helping with that whole end-to-end process.
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:46.880
And then, you know, even then, in terms of this week working with a customer and we had a meeting, we're talking about this new feature that they're asking for.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.800
Yeah, we could do it this way, you could do it that way.
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:49.360
That's great.
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:58.320
Recorded the meeting, took it, and then built a user story, turned it around, gave it to my customer, and said, okay, here's the user story to put it into the DevOps.
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.840
And like, how did you do that so fast?
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.679
And I'm like, Yeah.
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:04.559
Whoops.
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:06.719
Uh I didn't.
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:07.599
Oh, sorry.
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.800
Let me wait a day.
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:09.760
Yeah, exactly.
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.280
So, yeah, pretty much right.
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.880
But even so, even on that side of things, it's it is helping.
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:20.000
But I mean, again, we've said this before, having the human in the loop, it's AI as a tool.
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:27.920
We still need to give it the actual data and we still need to evaluate all that, but getting it all organized is where these tools can help us out.
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.840
So, kind of going back, uh Remy, I appreciate the post that you did.
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.400
I might have commented on it, you responded to that.
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:39.440
And for all you other uh folks out there, they're kind of wondering uh maybe maybe you're like me.
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:45.280
Maybe you're always pretending to be a developer and you're really meant to be doing something else, and these tools are helping you achieve that dream.
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.480
So yeah.
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:57.840
And and shout out to the spec kit uh because what you said relates very much to the spec kit that we talked about last time, which I actually started to use uh when I prepared for the session we're doing in Vegas.
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.400
So I checked it out and it's really cool.
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.679
And I absolutely would recommend anyone to check it out because it's really worth your time.
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:12.400
And it I like the way that it it's uh beneficial for both me and the agent in a very, very good way.
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.800
So definitely agree with you there.
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.920
And but for me, it's like, well, and I hear what you're saying.
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:25.920
If you are, like you said, a product person and uh been kind of faking as a developer the whole time, maybe that was what you were supposed to do all along.
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:31.360
But for me this week I've had the realization, the same realization just the other way around.
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.360
Because for me, the joy was never the execution.
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.159
That's when I left and went on to the next thing.
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:55.119
The joy for me was always the hard problem that I couldn't solve and to bash my head against the wall and work day and night and have it and shower on it and run on it and sleep on it until I figured it out or figured it out to just discover the next problem and then having to hack away at that.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:02.800
When I look at back at the times when I was the most happiest and the things that I enjoyed the most, those are the things that I remember.
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:12.880
And so for me, maybe I'm not a trained developer, but I know for a fact that being an agent sitter is not what I'm supposed to be doing.
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.760
That's not what I'm good at, and I'm not a product person in disguise.
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.360
I am a developer.
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:31.280
So I find myself in a little bit of a predicament because I don't know what to use my brain for anymore because there aren't really the there aren't enough problems suddenly.
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.440
So I I'm still in the thinking box, but I I need to make some changes.
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:36.800
We'll see where it lands.
00:49:36.880 --> 00:50:11.920
But yeah, but it's I love that we can have these conversations because I think a lot of people will relate to both you and me, and that we're all going through this little identity crisis, and one week we're sure, and the next week everything's up in the air, and then we read something and then we hear something, and then it's all thrilled and I am so excited for Vegas and the side side bar, you know, the side chats and the hallway chats and the getting different perspectives and people's you know uh views on this and be able to discuss it with my peers because that's kind of what I'm looking most forward to in conferences right around now.
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.719
So I'm so bummed you're not gonna be there, but uh yeah.
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:24.480
Okay, we are taking a our sweet time this week, but I think also we've had a lot to go through.
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.159
So do we just want to kind of quickly summary of the rest of the stuff?
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.199
Yeah dataverse filtered based security.
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:40.320
Yay! Finally, woohoo! You can now filter records by own ownership tables.
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.519
You have user or team record ownership tables and then your organization record ownership tables.
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:54.079
You can filter use fetch fetch XL to identify records that quality qualify for access.
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:59.440
And then you have the entity record filter, which associates to a record filter database table.
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:00.719
Whoop whoop.
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:01.920
Whoop whoop.
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.320
Yep.
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.400
Have you had this before in your previous life and now it's now come back?
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.400
No, it's something I've always wanted.
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:09.760
I've never had it.
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.000
It's been on my it's no.
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.360
Well, it's always okay.
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:20.000
How do we filter, how do we filter data based on users and you got to tie it to business units or teams ownership and security?
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:26.800
And like, yes, you could kind of hide it, but the users still might have access to it if they know how to use advanced find and what to do.
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:40.960
So this is something that is is it, you know, it's gonna add another level of complexity, but in a very good way, uh being able to and also I think like maybe make it complex, but also, hey, we don't need to set up a separate business unit for something now.
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:52.800
We can begin to set up these these filtered securities and flatten the because managing multiple business units and that whole thing has always been such a it you always had to go some very careful planning.
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.400
So this is definitely a good move.
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.639
Can't wait to actually begin to use this in some projects uh down the road.
00:51:58.960 --> 00:51:59.599
Yep.
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:00.719
Okay.
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:08.480
You talked briefly about the Ask API from Adner and then Power Apps Attachment Control by Reza Durani.
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.599
Woohoo! This new, I'm just playing the video now.
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:12.800
Stop, Reza, stop.
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.800
Finally, a new modern attachment control.
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.000
And this is uh something I know a lot of people have waited on for a long time.
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.159
It acts and feels very modern, it has all the bells and whistles that you wish.
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:33.280
He goes through all of the seven uh new features that come with this announcement, this new control, and it really looks awesome.
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:38.400
You can choose different uh kind of uh where it uploads the things, and it's very, very good.
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.239
So check out Reza's video on how to set this up and use this in your project near you.
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:46.559
Awesome.
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.199
And then we have some things uh more close to home, a few PowerPages announcements.
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.639
Yeah, oh, there's a bunch.
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.000
So, of course, again, what's old is new again, but different PowerPages SPA templates.
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:09.360
So if you remember, even back to the ADX, even well, even when you create a new PowerPages site now, the traditional or the regular way or classic way or however you want to put it, you have a choice of a whole bunch of templates.
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.199
And of course, if you have Dynamics 365, you have a bunch of templates there.
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:22.000
Are you I still remember your Scottish Summit session from 2022 where you're showing off all the templates there, which is a really cool session.
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:26.159
You like it's it's kind of you know, kind of going back in time a little bit.
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:33.199
But now with the the power pages, the SPAs, you also, when you're building these sites, of course, we could build sites from scratch.
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:41.440
But now there's some templates, which of course gonna reduce tokens because a lot of it's already been pre-built, and you're gonna be able to build these some templates a lot faster.
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:49.360
So I don't have the full list here, but I do see that there are there is a whole bunch of new templates for building single page applications.
00:53:49.519 --> 00:54:04.320
So we've effectively code PowerPages sites, and I believe along with that, there were some other new skills that were kind of tied up in the same announcement again for multi-ling multilingual sites, which I know you could do, but it was always a few extra steps.
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:05.280
Yep.
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.000
And they have the the other Yeah.
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:19.679
Sorry, just mentioning the it's the 3311 portal, which is a citizen service request portal and a supplier invoice portal, and also smart template matching.
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.599
And then you can combine features from one or the other, which was one of the main things.
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.000
How do you combine more than one?
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:34.159
I want blogs from the customer service, and I want forums from the, you know, the community one.
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.440
How do I combine the two?
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.199
And you taught me how, and together we did, did we do a session?
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.039
We did blog posts at least on how to merge two templates together, which is so much fun.
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.519
It was one of the first things we collaborated on.
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.559
Do you remember?
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.119
Yeah.
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:50.480
Yes, I do.
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.440
That was way back when that was uh yeah, yeah.
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.360
That was yeah, I I remember that.
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.320
Remember, remember, remember going through the whole well, we could do it this way, you could do it that way, and then you're we're back and forth.
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:07.760
It was great because it was like I was kind of I'm like, wow, there's other people in the world that get excited about this stuff like I do.
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:09.760
I know it's like what?
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.840
No, but these things still hold up.
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:20.880
I mean, even this week, I sent someone my blog post on from 2020 on how to customize the login page for PowerPages.
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.679
It still holds true, it is still usable.
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.440
I mean, come on, I love that.
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:27.440
It's just yeah, it takes me back.
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:37.360
Yes, uh so those are the new SBA tablets and more are coming, and we could expect these to kind of be in the same line of business kind of scenarios as we've seen before, I think.
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.800
And then enhanced authorization.
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.480
This is something we talked about so many times.
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.360
We're never getting rid of this.
00:55:47.599 --> 00:56:01.280
But this ties into the fact that you can now combine power pages authentication authenticates to contacts, and now you can also connect to them to a service user or system user, sorry, not service user.
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.280
And then how that because we've we talked about this before, right?
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:10.800
And every time we ask, how does this relate to uh how are they gonna keep that up to date?
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:19.920
Because then you'll have web roles and then we have security roles, because security roles for users and then uh web roles for contacts, and who's gonna how is that gonna work?
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:34.400
There are they are keep kept up to date by the system automatically, and you can set these uh the web roles and the contacts, and that's just gonna be replicated on the security roles and the system users automatically, which is fun.
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:42.000
And then you'll be able to see who edited something in Dataverse instead of just a system contact, which is uh has been up until now.
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:53.840
You can enable it on your admin site for your power pages, and then there's a little nice little picture in this dev blog by Guru Gul Norium.
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.559
Gokel gosh, sorry people.
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:02.960
And then by Gokul, he's uh he's a I I met I worked with Gokul at a few things, really smart guy.
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:10.000
We were we were at a support case looking at a Swedish portal, the two of us trying to figure out the navigation.
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.679
So I think your Swedish by now should be pretty good.
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.079
I mean, come on, all things considered.
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.440
But also last thing I wanted to mention, the PowerPages scanner.
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:26.480
I saw a post uh from something called Dynamics Suite, which is new to me.
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.159
Maybe you've heard about it before.
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.599
It's a collection of tools for PowerPlatform Dataverse.
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:47.039
One of them is a table inspector, they got a PowerPages API wildcard auditor, they have an audit history explorer, cloud for flow analysis, record, transporter, power pages, portal inspector, and the plugging development template, which is really cool.
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:54.800
So if you uh are looking at doing some work around this, then that tool might be very smart to look into.
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.239
Awesome.
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:57.360
Yeah, that's very cool.
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.159
Uh yeah, I think it was uh did Hadook point that out or something, I believe, uh in LinkedIn, maybe.
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:03.360
But anyways, still very cool.
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:04.159
I think you're right.
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.360
Very cool.
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:06.559
Okay, Mr.
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:07.679
Chosen one.
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.960
We are wrapping it up.
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.239
I'm heading to Vegas.
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.079
You're heading to Costa Rica.
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.119
Yes, for the the North American Bench Press Championship.
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:16.559
So yeah, excited about that.
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.599
It's interesting because a friend of mine pointed this out.
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.599
This is completely, you know, just giving things to my ego.
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.360
But this week is the World Masters happening in Reno, Nevada.
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.840
I am not part of that this year, unfortunately.
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.000
I was last year, and they took one of my pictures of me last year.
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.480
And I'm on the you saw that.
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So I'm on like the thumbnail for one of the one of the sessions.
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So kind of the like, but it's funny because it's for a weight class that's like half of my size.
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So a lot of my like my coach and some friends who were going out like like like that's so funny that you are actually on the face of for a very lower weight class kind of thing.
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So yes, I am the face of the 59 to 74 weight class for the world masters this year.
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I know you're supposed to lose weight, but I think that's a little bit too much.
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No, it's gonna be, yeah, it's anyways, all fun things.
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But yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it.
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I'm looking forward to going to Costa Rica.
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I am looking forward to compete.
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And then uh and then basically I thought, I thought my my travels were going to be at least calm for a couple months, but then uh something came up.
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I I was I was thinking of going to Ignite, and then I thought, okay, I I can't go to Ignite for for reasons, but that I am going back to Ignite, and more information uh becoming in a few weeks on that.
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I'm excited to go.
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I'm excited to see what's gonna be new and announced that wasn't announced at PPPC, which of course Ignite is the grander Microsoft conference.
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It covers everything Azure, Surface, you know, co-pilot, business apps, the whole shebang from end to end.
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So, of course, there's gonna be a thousand uh uh different announcements, uh, probably a few things with AI or super intelligent.
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We don't even start.
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That's gonna be a whole other episode some days about anyways.
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It's all that it's still AI, it's still Lake Ontario.
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Let's just leave it at that.
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Um, but then so after that, then you're gonna be in Amsterdam the the first week of December, which I will not be, sadly.
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That looks like a great event as well.
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Do you want to quickly give a quick plug for that?
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Yeah, I don't really have any responsibilities, uh, but I'm looking forward to go and mingle with them.
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M365 people.
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I'm doing my bit to bring us all together in this wild and beautiful community.
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And I'm so excited to see all my old friends from the SharePoint community in Amsterdam the first week of December.
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So that's gonna be awesome.
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And then yeah, well, but I'll catch you here back in two weeks' time.
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So you're not off the hook.
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Next episode, November 4th, 2026.
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So wow, where did 2026 go?
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More on that later.
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All right.
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Have fun, stay safe, and uh good luck.
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Okay, bye-bye.
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