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00:00:12.648Well, no, I'm trying to stay on the train, but of course, now I'm like anyways, so, but back on the train.
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00:00:15.489But you know, in those days this is how you interact with the computer.
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00:01:32.405Welcome everyone to the Power Platform Boost podcast, your weekly source of news and updates from the world of the Power Platform and the Microsoft community, with your host, Nick Doelman, and Ulrikke Akerbk.
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00:01:33.168Hey, Ulrikke.
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00:01:50.843I'm here in sunny Slovenia at Dynamics Mines, which is going on right now, and learned already a few good sessions, already a couple of good sessions this morning, and learning lots of stuff.
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00:01:54.873I'm great, thank you.
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00:02:14.705I'm a bit envious and FOMO-ing out of my mind about you being in Slovenia and before we started recording, you kind of held your phone out the window and showed me the beach and the sun and Croatia and all of that so, and of course also where they're putting up the tents for the parties tonight, and I just want to be there.
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00:02:21.683But I'm here in sunny Norway, windy, sunny Norway, so, but I'm good.
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00:02:24.776I went for a run, I'm feeling good, so everything'm good.
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00:02:25.633I went for a run, I'm feeling good, so everything's good.
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00:02:35.973And I'm going to turn off all social media for the next of the week and go completely dark mode so that I don't get all jealous about all of you guys partying in Slovenia.
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00:02:45.304So already booked planes for next year, just saying, well, plane tickets are already in the bag, because I'm not going to lose out on that conference one more time.
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00:02:47.725I've done me and Katarina Brevold.
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00:02:50.046We made a pact in London this weekend.
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00:02:53.967We were like next year we're going so yeah, because she was going to.
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00:03:11.846there's another conference happening in Dusseldorf this week as well and I spoke to Sari from Finland and see, so she's here for a session today and tomorrow, but then she's going over to Dusseldorf and it's like, oh yeah, she's like I've been off more than she could chew kind of thing on this one.
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00:03:15.008So, yeah, you gotta choose.
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00:03:22.106Yeah, dusseldorf, or Slovene, I don't know that conference is.
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00:03:27.313Oh yeah, dynamics Minds is one of the good ones, for sure.
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00:03:33.372so and speaking of a conference as an event, I mean you and I read an event in london this past saturday.
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00:03:40.477Um was put on his power summit, ai, power summit, ai or whatever it's.
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00:03:42.141Of course, that names evolved over the years.
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00:03:50.304This, of course, is known for his CRM Saturdays back in the day, and then you know Power Community, but basically it was really.
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00:03:58.109It was at the Microsoft offices, a lot of amazing sessions and, of course, he had the whole Lego theme going on.
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00:04:00.707You probably saw that on LinkedIn and everything.
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00:04:09.051So that was and I just also one of those really good, good events, good vibes with everybody, interactions, um, and they've been doing this for 10 years, so good on them.
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00:04:14.693Congratulations, guys, for putting on a really cool, awesome event yeah, very much.
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00:04:16.396April dunham was there.
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00:04:17.843She came all the way over.
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00:04:45.668She had a bit of a euro trip, just like you, a bit of a short version of your euro trip, I think she got, and she squeezed, squeezed it in and it was a very good keynote where she kind of tried to put all of this because, of course, this is on the back of all the news and updates from Build which we are going to cover, and what April was saying is let's try to zoom out a little bit and put this in context, and she watched her own blogs from, or she looked into her own blogs from, back in a day.
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00:05:33.862She also comes from SharePoint and master pages, just like me, as it was kind of fun for me to see her evolution in terms of blogging and content, because it's just exactly like like mine's, it really resonated with me and trying to put it in context of how fast things are moving and also how valuable the content is and, um, and yeah, so, and, and there's a lot of a ai, anxiety, aim, a anxiety, I anxiety, um, going on, uh, so trying to kind of also calm people down a little bit because, yeah, information workers, maybe our job is not going to be looking exactly the way that it looks today, but, um, as developers and as solutionists or as solutionizers, we, we will always have something to do.
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00:05:38.702So that was really good and, of course, yeah, like I said, the whole day, so great we went to.
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00:05:39.946Can we talk about the?
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00:05:42.692Uh, the um, the playwright thing?
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00:05:45.598Yeah, of course, just very briefly, because we were in, because I, I don't, I haven't played around with playwright thing.
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00:05:48.454Yeah, of course, just very briefly, because I haven't played around with playwright at all.
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00:05:57.007And then we were in a session about just that and how it showed the test center and the test suite.
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00:06:00.848Was that the two names for the other two things?
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00:06:02.295Because there are kind of three.
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00:06:04.084Three things yeah, very similar.
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00:06:04.968Yeah, I can Very similar.
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00:06:23.242Yeah, I can look at my notes, but also I mean that was incredible and to see how you can, because of course it's, it's it's Cody, right, it's scripting, but what you're doing is so from from what I understand is you can hook this up to ADO, to Azure DevOps.
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00:06:33.762You can run it with Azure DevOps pipelines, you can trigger it and then it's going to run through your script in Playwright and hydrate your environment with test data.
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00:06:55.459It's going to run through your test, it's going to log in as someone do something in the UI with dataset and then it turns, it has a result at the end and you can trigger have it trigger multiple test cases in a row, and it was exactly what we need um in in one of our projects as well.
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00:07:03.824So I was just blown away, um, and a bit sad that I haven't played around with play right yet, because I don't think it's that new.
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00:07:11.994So one of those really good sessions where I understood a lot more about a thing that I didn't even know about before.
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00:07:18.490And this goes to I think we've said this before is going to these conferences.
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00:07:28.252A lot of times we kind of gravitate to like, first off, we want to support our friends that are speaking about particular topics um, so there's that aspect to it too.
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00:07:41.271But I also is to go through the agenda and go to places that you might not even be in a current project or anything, and just to learn about these new, new things or things that maybe already existed for.
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00:07:44.201Like I know, a few years ago I went to a session on power bi.
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00:07:50.684I knew nothing about power bi, I didn't have it on any upcoming project, but it was something that, yeah, I needed.
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00:07:58.310I felt I needed to know more about and I know I think both you and I we saw this session independently, because I think you were already in the room and I came in in the room.
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00:08:00.240You're already sitting down watching the session.
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00:08:04.382That was a few minutes late, but I saw it like tools playwright.
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00:08:11.447Yeah, this is something I want to learn more about and this is what's great about these events, because sometimes we just don't take the time to sit down to.
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00:08:14.928Okay, today I'm going to learn about playwright and sit down in front of my computer.
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00:08:15.829Yes, I can do that.
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00:08:19.290Yes, I should do that.
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00:08:26.115I'm sort of like I need to go pick a session to watch here's something, and then you go in and then the presenter.
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00:08:26.855I forget his name.
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00:08:28.415He's from the Netherlands, a really good guy.
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00:08:32.597Let's make sure we get his name in the show notes, but it was probably.
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00:08:38.471I can try, arjan Rijstdijk.
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00:08:44.373I'm sorry, rijstdijk, yeah.
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00:08:48.626Arjan Arjan.
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00:08:53.875So I think he even said he was still relatively new to speaking, but you wouldn't know it because he did such a good session.
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00:09:01.043So, yeah, it's so.
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00:09:07.215This is just one example of where this free community events are so valuable for your own learning journey.
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00:09:23.846And then, of course, this is going to I know this is going to explode into like playwright creating or using, you know, testing agents in our code development, because we're going to get into agents and AI and everything, but again, we still need to know the fundamentals how this stuff works.
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00:09:42.745So, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's yeah, and I think also Franco had a post about this last week as well, about how conferences is a good way to immerse yourself in something you know nothing about.
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00:09:45.727So I really subscribe to that.
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00:10:00.846And also, I just wanted to point out something that april said that I also, um, really subscribe to is that if you're not, um, a bit conscious or a bit embarrassed about the code you made or the code you wrote a year ago, then you haven't had any progress.
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00:10:02.328Yes, I've heard that before.
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00:10:02.990I love that.
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00:10:08.384That was kind of the basis of that conference for me.
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00:10:15.385Alright, so we have a deep ton of AI stuff or, sorry, build stuff.
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00:10:19.605It's kind of one and the same To go to Juin.
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00:10:22.365I was about to say.
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00:10:28.548Apparently there was some other big conference last week going on Microsoft.
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00:10:28.730Build.
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00:10:29.671Yeah, exactly right.
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00:10:31.293Yes.
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00:10:35.991So first of all, there's a book of news and we're going to put the link in here.
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00:10:39.990So I'm just making some notes for myself on the side here to put links to the book of news.
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00:10:54.788In the book of news, what you'll find is a very structured overview of, and highlights of, what's most important and you can kind of click through it and it's very good, and you can also download the resources that come with it and also, of course, on the back of the build you have.
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00:10:57.769So first of all, you can sign up and you can see the sessions.
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00:11:09.110A lot of the sessions are recorded and available now for anyone who wants to see them, and also there's a lot of people in the community that does a very good job at summarizing this for us.
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00:11:14.140So did you follow Build closely this year, or?
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00:11:15.447what was it like for you?
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00:11:33.086For my it was more, because I was preoccupied with lifting last week, so that was sort of my main focus, but during, of course, you know, in between, kind of keeping an eye on social media, also preparing for sessions that we did on Saturday plus sessions this week.
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00:11:43.931I really didn't watch live any of the sessions and that kind of thing, but I was looking at social media and then all of a sudden it was like overwhelming.
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00:11:52.572It was like announcement after an announcement and after announcement and I even was just sort of like hold it, how can?
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00:11:54.725I'm on the periphery.
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00:12:07.030There is so much I can't imagine even sitting there in the crowd going through like all of this stuff like a fire hose of new announcements and information, and I'm still trying to get caught up on learning all of these other things.
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00:12:31.493So my experience was for me this is part and parcel of we're living in a time where everything is rapidly changing and it's sort of like, okay, I've settled in, things are changing, this is stuff we need to learn, we need to master, and then all of a sudden it changes and more stuff gets added and it's sort of like, you know, you go to a big restaurant buffet and it's like, oh, this looks like a really good roast beef.
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00:12:33.346And you look over oh wait, there's a ham there.
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00:12:34.865Oh, oh, oh, they have this.
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00:12:48.722And then it's sort of like all of a sudden your plate's overflowing and like how can I you know mentally eat all of this new stuff?
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00:12:55.860But I want to try it, I want to taste it all that, yeah, yeah, that that's how I my experience of build was not just watching from the sideline, sideline yeah, oh, I'm with you.
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00:13:02.221I was exactly the same and I I had great plans to follow along and and to make sure that I got the keynote and everything.
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00:13:12.927I still haven't seen the keynote, but I have seen some of the summary content and so I have a good kind of layover of what was going on, kind of the broader picture.
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00:13:33.581And then I've been diving into the topics that hit me and I think maybe that's a kind of a word of advice to anyone out there that feel like you do and like I do, is that no one can take all of this in, especially when we're moving so fast already and already feel like we're behind, trying to digest everything.
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00:13:39.051Even though AI can have that capability, the human mind doesn't.
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00:13:43.245So find out how you learn the best.
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00:13:46.897What is the way that your mind takes in information?
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00:13:49.703The easiest is it to fiddle with something?
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00:13:53.130Is it through audio video reading, um?
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00:13:54.760Is it the summary blog post?
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00:13:57.967How do you hydrate your head with these news?
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00:13:58.889The most easiest?
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00:14:05.011That's one thing and also get the broader picture of the lay of the land.
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00:14:11.182Scroll through the book of news, for instance, and then just dive into the things you are interested in.
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00:14:15.192That is now important for you in your current job or project.
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00:14:17.307Don't take all of it in.
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00:14:20.385That's not what it's meant for and no one does that.
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00:14:23.384So kind of go easy on yourself a little bit.
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00:14:31.268Talking to the whoever's listening, it's so hard to feel like you have to keep up and kind of get get through everything.
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00:14:33.192But none of us are.
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00:14:41.422And if someone says that they are, yeah, well I think it's better to kind of, yeah, grasp the things that you, that's important to you.
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00:14:45.471Um, so with that, we want to help.
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00:14:46.352Yes.
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00:14:48.846So I would say yeah, for sure.
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00:14:53.028And this is where the community is so good and we're going to you know, I think promote some of that.
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00:14:57.027So this is where people we know in the community and again it's not.
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00:15:07.480This is where we have to take bits and pieces Because, as you said, even the folks that are on top of this that are watching everything they're compiling you said, even the folks that are on top of this that are watching everything they're compiling.
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00:15:15.756So our friends, like Lisa Crosby she did a really good summary video that kind of took a lot of this stuff and digested it down and created a nice little tasting plate of the buffet of information.
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00:15:19.450Also, sebastian, who was actually here at Dynamics Minds I saw him last night.
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00:15:39.644He wrote a really good blog post covering a lot of the same points, but again from a slightly different perspective, but again kind of boiling it down to the highlights, and I found both of those pieces of content really helped me go through a lot of this stuff, plus also looking at some of the other stuff from Microsoft as well.
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00:15:43.352So at first kind of getting overwhelmed with the community with these things.
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00:16:00.177Well, with the community with these things, and also, hopefully, we can help also in this podcast is kind of bringing it down to help you at least get on your journey and have this tasting menu of new news coming through.
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00:16:03.182Yeah and also yeah, sorry, no, no, I was about to say yeah go ahead.
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00:16:09.782Yeah, because also, if you want to go in and look at all the videos from Build, you can look at.
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00:16:23.927So Taki Wai, he posted a good overview of sessions for platform at Build and it's a visual kind of illustration thing that shows you what the different sessions are about and where in the platform they're placed.
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00:16:28.110So that was also a really good visual to get on board on everything.
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00:16:33.131So do you want to go through some of the highlights so that we kind of just point some of these out?
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00:16:41.114Because I also watched Lisa's video and she kind of paints a broader picture of what's going on.
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00:16:42.865So you want to touch on these things a little bit?
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00:16:44.129Yeah for sure.
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00:16:54.849Like I mean, there's so many cool things, but I think one thing, things that, well, maybe I'll just say things that jumped out at me that I can see apply to the own day to day, something like co-pilot tuning.
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00:17:07.273And this is where, yes, we've all gone in a chat GPT, we've all gone on a co-pilot hey, write me a proposal or write me a session or write me an email.
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00:17:19.414But then the nice thing about Microsoft 365 Copilot it goes into all of your own data into your OneDrive and looks at the documents and things like that.
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00:17:20.661That's cool.
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00:17:33.132But now with co-pilot tuning, I can get it to go into my style as a company or my corporate style or my corporate style guides and that kind of thing, and that's really cool because that's where I could really see it help.
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00:17:36.634And that also means you have to have those standards defined a little bit.
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00:17:38.997But again, this is where the human in the loop comes.
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00:17:54.932Tuning was just one of those things that kind of stood out to me as one of those new things from bill that I think is going to help the general, just no matter what industry you're in, if you're a knowledge worker, it's just going to help you create your own internal content.
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00:18:00.531And again, when I go back to, we talked about lazy ai, where we're getting ai to do all that stuff for us.
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00:18:26.852I think more in my experiences over the last few weeks and we talked about this last episode working with these AI tools together in a collaborative sense, it being your thought partner and I've worked on a presentation this week and I use ChatGPT as my thought partner and, of course, if I'm doing corporate stuff, the co-pilot tuning will help again us to generate content more efficiently and more quickly, but, again, good quality because we're involved in the process.
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00:18:32.009Also what I look at tuning as branding for AI.
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00:18:42.105So if you look at, you know using, because chatbots are the UI for AI and this is how you brand it.
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00:18:51.192So when you had a SharePoint internet before, you could always set your branding and you're working with brands and finding a customer's identity.
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00:18:57.393We also always talk about tone of voice when you communicate with someone, is it light and snappy?
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00:19:02.067Is it very business, very corporate, very kind of down to earth?
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00:19:02.827Is it?
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00:19:04.290You know what style?
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00:19:04.631Are you?
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00:19:06.233Very kind of down to earth, is it?
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00:19:13.542You know what style are you, and that shows up in colors, that shows up in fonts, but it also shows up in tone of voice.
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00:19:15.689It says something about you as a company and your identity.
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00:19:16.410And this is what tuning is.
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00:19:24.308It's branding your presence as that copa internally and externally, so that it talks and walks and acts like you.
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00:19:27.621So I'm all over this kind of yes.
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00:19:35.913Finally, because I've been trying to create a boost podcast co-pilot thing forever and it's not able to because we have a very, because it's kind of.
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00:19:40.627When I create the social media stuff, it's very my tone and I'm very edgy.
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00:19:42.532I make sure that it's very personal.
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00:19:47.084It shines through who we are, that we're a bit on the edge or we're not corporate.
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00:19:50.192We're a bit refreshing and colorful and a bit kind of.
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00:19:51.423We say what we want.
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00:19:55.602So I want that to shine through, and so you guys have been following us for a while.
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00:20:10.269You'll see the posts where I've tried to use AI, it's much more corporate and down to earth, and the ones where I'm writing it it's when it's very, you know, full of energy, cause he can't, it hasn't been able to replicate our style yet.
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00:20:11.323So we'll see.
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00:20:32.715If we start to use copilot tuning, maybe we'll also be able to create a bot that could actually make some of the descriptions for us or kind of tune the social media posts a little bit, for instance, and I think probably sometimes that would be a good thing for some of our listeners as well, because some of these posts are fairly big.
00:20:32.736 -->
00:20:37.851Also, something else that stood out to me was the multi-agent orchestration.
00:20:37.851 -->
00:20:44.830So the idea that you have multiple agents working at the same time for you and that you have an orchestrator in the middle.
00:20:44.830 -->
00:20:52.449This is one of the core concepts that you have to take on board if you're going to work with agents going forward.
00:20:52.449 -->
00:20:57.541The reason for this is that an agent is at its best when it has a very specific task to do.
00:20:57.541 -->
00:21:05.835If you ask it to do multiple things and on a wide range of topics and domains, it won't work as well.
00:21:05.835 -->
00:21:13.048So if you have a very specific domain, a very specific task, it works the best, but of course then you would need more than one.
00:21:13.721 -->
00:21:22.511So having a set of agents and having an orchestrated in the middle is very important, and also this idea of discoverability.
00:21:22.511 -->
00:21:38.826So just a few weeks ago you would have to manually set and establish which agents do you want and maybe also a bit which order you want these to work in, and define what agents this core orchestrator could access.
00:21:38.826 -->
00:21:51.251Now, with discoverability, the description and the metadata on that agent is going to show the orchestrator what it can do and they'll be able to dynamically choose between agents that come up.
00:21:51.251 -->
00:21:59.383And of course also you add a new agent to the mix, the orchestrator will automatically be able to choose that new agent without you doing anything.
00:21:59.383 -->
00:22:05.991So that is so powerful and it's one of the major things that came out of Build.
00:22:08.455 -->
00:22:21.460Yeah, and then, of course, to tie a little bit into that I'm not sure how deep we'll get into this but also the agent to agent protocols and the fact that agents can call other agents and have those interfaces as well.
00:22:21.460 -->
00:22:25.590So it's not just you're working with something, you have these multiple agents in front of your face.
00:22:25.590 -->
00:22:32.866It's also it's like if an agent's working on something, that it has the ability to reach out to other agents to do its job as well.
00:22:32.866 -->
00:22:36.450So there's a lot of moving parts with all of this.
00:22:36.450 -->
00:22:44.692So, yeah, that was a pretty significant I agree, definitely one of those big bang announcements, and there were so many.
00:22:44.692 -->
00:22:47.080Oh so many.
00:22:48.521 -->
00:22:49.583The other thing that you know.
00:22:49.583 -->
00:22:57.729Going back to more the AI that a lot of us are used to, it's like, I think, probably our first experience with Copilot or Copilot Studio.
00:22:57.729 -->
00:22:59.049What's the first thing you do?
00:22:59.049 -->
00:23:00.230I'm going to create a new Copilot.
00:23:00.230 -->
00:23:00.791What are you going to do?
00:23:00.791 -->
00:23:07.938You're going to point it to a knowledge source, so you point it to a website or you point it to a pdf and then you can start asking questions and that's that.
00:23:08.039 -->
00:23:14.480That's been the circus trick for co-pilot studio to show it off in five minutes for the last little while.
00:23:14.480 -->
00:23:29.613But now it's gotten even better because with the knowledge features, you can add, upload multiple files, um there's or even point it to other things like dataverse or some other different connectors as well, um, and those are a lot of new features.
00:23:29.613 -->
00:23:40.185So a lot of that core stuff that we're already using copilot studio for has gotten a lot more faster and or faster, smarter and giving and allowing you to have a lot more control with that too.
00:23:40.185 -->
00:23:42.401So that was also something that it's one of these.
00:23:42.401 -->
00:23:48.017Well, maybe I thought it did that anyway, but then you dig down to it Like, yeah, it did, but not to the not.
00:23:48.017 -->
00:23:51.309You always kind of ran into some of these guard, these, these blockers.
00:23:51.852 -->
00:24:20.007some of these blockers have now been removed a little bit, and so these chatbots are chatbots, are agents, are a lot smarter even more smarter than we thought they were in the beginning, and we also have clever new tooling, including Python-powered code interpreter, which is so far off of what I know that I barely understand what it is, but I understand that it can interpret Python.
00:24:20.007 -->
00:24:20.548That's good.
00:24:20.548 -->
00:24:26.804You have Visual Studio support and early Rpa style capabilities, so that is fantastic.
00:24:26.804 -->
00:24:29.412Um, and just ties into the whole thing.
00:24:29.412 -->
00:24:31.577Uh, we also saw, yeah, sorry.
00:24:31.739 -->
00:24:43.567For instance, yeah, anything else you want to say about that yeah, yeah okay because a lot of the rage lately is about mcp servers, right, and so that's kind of the.
00:24:43.567 -->
00:24:55.534There's a natural trend here, I think, in terms of MCP servers, and we saw an announcement about the Dataverse MCP chatbot, for instance, coming up this week.
00:24:56.661 -->
00:25:01.523Yeah, and that was cool, and a couple of things Like, first off, it's easy to think about.
00:25:01.523 -->
00:25:03.386Oh yeah, I can query Dataverse data.
00:25:03.386 -->
00:25:12.362So, like you know how many sessions register to this event, if we have that stored in tables, how much sales have we done, and all this stuff.
00:25:12.362 -->
00:25:22.782But then talking to some other people in the community and doing some of the stuff that I've been doing with, like PowerPages, for example, building web templates A lot of times you're building web templates because PowerPages talks to Dataverse.
00:25:22.804 -->
00:25:24.865A lot of times you're building web templates because PowerPages talks to Dataverse.
00:25:24.865 -->
00:25:29.871We need to tell GitHub, copilot the schema names and the field names of the particular tables we want to work with.
00:25:29.871 -->
00:25:39.300And, of course, I've just been using XRM Toolbox, looking at the metadata browser, finding all that stuff, giving it to Copilot hey, use these, generate me some code.
00:25:39.300 -->
00:26:09.529But then someone I think it might have been Daniel Lakovic said well, this is where if you use the Dataverse MCP server, you could get the agent to talk to that to pull up the metadata of things, because that takes a lot of time trying to drill down and find that If I have an agent that talks to the MCP Dataverse server.
00:26:09.529 -->
00:26:18.186I haven't tried this, so I might just be totally talking out of my rear end here, but this is how I hope to use it is.
00:26:18.186 -->
00:26:29.390This again is just another game changer in terms of getting things more efficiently in building code and getting to that place where, when you're building code, it knows about all of these things more naturally.
00:26:31.053 -->
00:26:37.471Yeah, yeah, and also I'm a bit kind of far removed from MCP servers.
00:26:37.471 -->
00:26:38.432Haven't played with it.
00:26:38.432 -->
00:26:52.473Video from someone called David Gomez from a company called Neon they do Postgres database stuff where he talks about why MCP servers are not APIs and how people now started.
00:26:52.473 -->
00:27:04.492There's a lot of services now that allow you to simply just translate your API into an MCP server, which is it's all good and well, but you're kind of missing out on a lot of opportunities here.
00:27:04.492 -->
00:27:06.186It's not just access to data.
00:27:06.186 -->
00:27:10.426You in MCP servers you can enable tools and resources as well.
00:27:10.426 -->
00:27:13.587It didn't go into that, but he said kind of that as part of the package.
00:27:13.680 -->
00:27:24.886And if you simply just enable your API as an MCP server, the structured data of an API is very is rigor towards development and structured development.
00:27:24.886 -->
00:27:28.403And structured data of an API is very is rigor towards development and structured development and structured data.
00:27:28.403 -->
00:27:30.912And LLM is more like a human.
00:27:30.912 -->
00:27:35.263It will ask questions in natural language and API isn't necessarily rigged for that.
00:27:35.263 -->
00:27:40.203So you need to kind of transform your data a little bit and it's the metadata that you just talked about.
00:27:40.203 -->
00:27:53.151That is the key here, because if you then enrich your data with metadata around it, the LLM will understand more quickly and more natively what the data is for and how to put it together with other sources and how to use it.
00:27:54.061 -->
00:28:05.665And also on the back of both this development and build, we had something called NLWeb come out, which is kind of on the.
00:28:05.665 -->
00:28:08.392It's also an MCP server kind of idea.
00:28:08.392 -->
00:28:11.243It's built on that technology.
00:28:11.243 -->
00:28:25.693It's where you can create, you enable your website to become an MCP server-ish kind of service so that agents can more easily use it as a source.
00:28:25.693 -->
00:28:40.313So it's like RSS feeds for websites, where you kind of structure your data on your website like an RSS feed that LLMs can easily digest and understand.
00:28:40.313 -->
00:28:43.430So it's very interesting to see that come out.
00:28:43.430 -->
00:28:44.445It's an open source Microsoft project, I.
00:28:44.445 -->
00:28:45.513So it's very interesting to see that come out.
00:28:45.513 -->
00:28:46.440It's an open source Microsoft project.
00:28:46.440 -->
00:28:48.486I think it's Microsoft.
00:28:48.486 -->
00:28:49.480I just need to check it's.
00:28:49.480 -->
00:28:50.345Now I got a bit.
00:28:50.345 -->
00:28:56.125I'm not 100% sure it's Microsoft's project, but it's open source either way and it's called NLWeb.
00:28:57.259 -->
00:28:57.401Cool.
00:28:57.401 -->
00:29:09.627So, speaking of MCP servers, I was literally talking to George Stabinski 30 minutes ago and we're talking about different things and talk about powerlifting and lights and all this stuff.
00:29:09.627 -->
00:29:13.386So I'm stealing a bit of George's thunder here because I know he's presenting on stuff like this.
00:29:13.386 -->
00:29:18.631He got one of the smart light bulbs you get, where you plug it in and you can connect through Wi-Fi.
00:29:18.631 -->
00:29:21.407You can say turn on the light, it just seems the dimmer, and all that kind of stuff.
00:29:21.407 -->
00:29:31.690He said he built an MCP server for the smart light bulb where you know, of course we've done experiments like that too Well, get power automate to turn on the light when you show up at home.
00:29:31.690 -->
00:29:39.266But he set it up to an MCP server and he said you know something like oh, it's too bright in here, and then of course, the light dims a little bit.
00:29:39.646 -->
00:29:40.650But then he even took it further.
00:29:40.650 -->
00:29:46.723He said bit, but then he even took it further.
00:29:46.723 -->
00:29:49.871He said send a message using morse code to the light, of course, that the ai was able to find.
00:29:49.871 -->
00:29:56.750Do the morse code interpret like he like, if we did this a year ago, we would have uploaded the the morse code tables, we would have done all this other stuff.
00:29:56.750 -->
00:30:05.240There was just like no, uh, send a message using morse code and the light just started flashing, the dashes and dots, um, automatically.
00:30:05.240 -->
00:30:19.200So this, this to me, was such a great, um, very simple use case that you wouldn't really necessarily use, but in business, or but how these mcp servers really work and how ai enters into mcp servers.
00:30:19.200 -->
00:30:31.209So it's more than just an ai, it's more than just data, it it's more than just data, it's interpreting it and yeah, anyway, sorry, I just kind of I, just when you were talking about MCP servers, like oh, I need to talk about the light bulb in CPs.
00:30:31.940 -->
00:30:33.786Yeah, the light bulb moment, Whoop, whoop.
00:30:33.786 -->
00:30:35.290No, it's all good.
00:30:35.290 -->
00:30:53.271And also, speaking about the web, I just need to touch on the PowerPages stuff that came out of Build and I know that we're biased because we are PowerPages people, but from an objective perspective, I thought that finally PowerPages got some love and juice at Build.
00:30:53.271 -->
00:30:54.083It was.
00:30:54.083 -->
00:31:06.191They announced a new security agent that's built on Sentinel technology, how you can now add custom Copilot agents from built in Copilot Studio to your PowerPages site.
00:31:06.191 -->
00:31:12.035It will allow you to authenticate through it and you can have the same experience as you would have in another chatbot.
00:31:12.035 -->
00:31:17.329It's not the old turn-based one, it's a completely new one and you can add whichever one you want.
00:31:17.920 -->
00:31:19.646You can now also bring your own code.
00:31:19.646 -->
00:31:25.000Well, eventually I don't think that's GAI yet, but it's in preview code.
00:31:25.000 -->
00:31:35.282Well, eventually I don't think that's GAI yet, but it's in preview which means that you can actually now plug PowerPages into any development language that you want to bring to it and you can vibe code to PowerPages if you now want to, and you can hook it up to Visual Studio Code and off you go.
00:31:35.282 -->
00:31:38.912We also have the new Git integration that works with PowerPages.
00:31:38.912 -->
00:32:00.290And finally, I have the UI preview, which I've looked for for so long, which enables me now to finally start using Visual Studio Code again on my laptop and not just in the browser, because it wasn't able to preview with all the PowerPages scaffolding before, so I would have to upload download to see my UI changes, but now I can see that directly in the preview in Visual Studio Code.
00:32:00.290 -->
00:32:07.429So that's going to be fantastic and I can't wait to see all of these things flash up in my environment for power pages.
00:32:07.469 -->
00:32:11.762Yeah oh yeah, and there's just and not just like in power pages.
00:32:11.762 -->
00:32:27.563Well, yeah, the cool stuff with power pages, um, but even so, remember at the start of the year we said we were going to learn, react and pcf controls yeah well, now we don't, and then we decided not to smart.
00:32:27.963 -->
00:32:34.119So this is, this is where the world of ai procrastinators win, because, um, I'm trying to find it.
00:32:34.119 -->
00:32:37.710This is where they um, what do they call that?
00:32:37.710 -->
00:32:39.555It's d2d.
00:32:39.555 -->
00:32:46.092I've had the link here, but basically it's part of the app development within Power Apps, where they call it.
00:32:46.092 -->
00:32:50.711Well, of course, there's plans and we'll talk about plans, which is plan designer?
00:32:50.711 -->
00:32:58.348But the oh, I hit it up here Generate the AI tailored generated pages.
00:32:58.348 -->
00:33:05.324So, with generated pages, this is where developers can create a fully customized user experience.
00:33:05.324 -->
00:33:26.423In native React code, they just simply describe what they want the app or the page to do and then add the Dataverse tables, attach like whiteboard sketches and designs and things like that in natural language, and then it's going to generate this React interface and then it's going to generate this React interface.
00:33:26.423 -->
00:33:28.807So, anyways, I've applied for the preview program.
00:33:28.807 -->
00:33:30.749I can't wait to get my fingers into this.
00:33:30.749 -->
00:33:38.517I'm also grounding myself to be a little disappointed, because I think it might not do as much as I think I hope it will do at day one.
00:33:38.517 -->
00:33:42.323But, like everything, this is a progression and it also goes.
00:33:42.343 -->
00:33:46.651And just a little shout out to my good friend nathan rose, just to build a little fuel in the fire.
00:33:46.651 -->
00:33:53.087I had wrote a post a few weeks ago about um is low code dead because of vibe coding?
00:33:53.087 -->
00:34:06.304And the kind of the thesis around that was why would we have a low code language when we could just describe vibe code and create pro code like react, like in typescript and javascript and stuff like that?
00:34:06.304 -->
00:34:11.666Nathan took a little bit of offense to that, saying no, no, it should be generating power effects, and I totally agree.
00:34:11.666 -->
00:34:14.360I mean, but this is all part and parcel to this.
00:34:14.360 -->
00:34:19.851But again, this is a case of this whole idea of citizen developer doing low code.
00:34:19.851 -->
00:34:31.672This is now we're now into a new chapter or the plot has now twisted a little bit that we still have these I don't know citizen developers, but now they're creating pro code directly.
00:34:31.672 -->
00:34:41.568Um, so we'll sort of see how this evolves and, yeah, I'm really hoping to get in the early access and play around with this and report back here on this stuff.
00:34:42.530 -->
00:35:00.670Yeah, but it's interesting I look at this from the other direction and I go actually, now I have a real incentive to learn React because I see people post PCF components on the PCF gallery and they get pushback saying no, actually, what you've done here is very, very good, brilliant.
00:35:00.670 -->
00:35:01.561I love it.
00:35:01.561 -->
00:35:03.389Ui is great, but it's not secure enough.
00:35:04.041 -->
00:35:21.231And these are professional developers developing these tools, adding them to the general toolbox of the power platform, and even they don't know, they don't understand how the security works and get kind of feedback and pushback saying, no, actually, I think you need to reiterate because this is not secure enough.
00:35:21.981 -->
00:35:26.503I see that, yeah, this is enabling everyone, but I've seen what that looks like.
00:35:26.503 -->
00:35:29.601It's like saying, oh, now, suddenly everyone can create a stunning app.
00:35:29.601 -->
00:35:37.608No, developers will still not be able to create a stunning app because they don't even know what a stunning app is or what it looks like or what it feels like.
00:35:37.608 -->
00:35:46.605So I'm kind of saying no, if I ever had an incentive to learn React, react, then this would be it, because it looks to me like python and react.
00:35:46.605 -->
00:35:50.322It's kind of the two things that everyone's going to have to get on board with at some point.
00:35:50.322 -->
00:35:56.019If you want to be a developer, pro developer, going forward, uh, so, yeah, no, I'm thinking.
00:35:56.019 -->
00:36:03.389Actually, I want to be one of those people who can validate the code that has been created and and push back and say, no, this isn't good enough.
00:36:05.222 -->
00:36:06.646Right, that's just me, no, no.
00:36:06.646 -->
00:36:21.583No, it's cool and I feel a little bit at fault when you say developers, beautiful apps, but anyways, that's true, you've seen my stuff, but from the flip side, but from a learning perspective, what's cool.
00:36:21.583 -->
00:36:26.490What I like about this is, if I create a Power App, it is getting better now.
00:36:26.490 -->
00:36:29.248But let's just say, I create a Canvas app and I'm dragging buttons and all that.
00:36:29.248 -->
00:36:33.009Originally, when we downloaded and looked at the code, it was all kind of JSON.
00:36:33.009 -->
00:36:35.403It was really hard to read.
00:36:35.403 -->
00:36:36.889You know, kind of bedded there.
00:36:37.380 -->
00:36:55.373If this is creating React code, then I'm actually going to be able, in Visual Studio, look at that code, look at the TypeScript and then from there, from a learning perspective, like you were saying, this is the way I think this is our gateway to learn, because we almost start with the end result and then we can see how it was built.
00:36:55.373 -->
00:37:05.298And then it gives us the opportunity to experiment, and I've already been doing this in GitHub Copilot, in Visual Studio Code going GitHub Copilot and Visual Studio Code going.
00:37:05.298 -->
00:37:11.045Yeah, if I wanted to add a border around a panel on a webpage, what did I do before?
00:37:11.045 -->
00:37:13.768I called up my CSS friends, how do I add a border.
00:37:13.768 -->
00:37:24.208But now I can just ask my friend Copilot hey, I want to add a border around this particular panel, and it's going to go through and it actually highlights the code that it added.
00:37:24.208 -->
00:37:31.313And then it can look oh, that's duh, that's how you add a border to a panel, right like that's.
00:37:31.313 -->
00:37:35.137Yeah, that's actually pretty straightforward now that I see the code being generated.
00:37:35.177 -->
00:37:35.639So I'm learning.
00:37:35.639 -->
00:37:40.291That's what I like about it's not only is that I have this peer programmer I'm working with.
00:37:40.291 -->
00:37:54.887This is a peer programmer that I'm learning from as well, and I know that when I started programming a thousand years ago, before the internet was invented and all this a lot of the ways I like learning was looking at someone else's code and also working with other developers side by side.
00:37:54.887 -->
00:37:56.331Hey, we need to fix this.
00:37:56.331 -->
00:37:59.106So here's what I'm going to do, like oh, okay, that's really interesting.
00:37:59.106 -->
00:38:07.141So I do realize some people might do lazy ai and just generate the code, and yes, there's going to be issues.
00:38:07.141 -->
00:38:07.322And.
00:38:07.322 -->
00:38:18.552But from another standpoint, yes, it is like I said, co-pilot to, or all this stuff should be a collaborative effort yeah, and it always was and it always will be.
00:38:18.672 -->
00:38:23.010it's just I'm now scared to see people that shouldn't try to do everything.
00:38:23.010 -->
00:38:26.423Do everything because they are squished at work.
00:38:26.423 -->
00:38:37.762They need to produce stuff faster and quicker and they need to work for 10 people now because their workplace assumes that they have agents to do everything and that AI can create everything.
00:38:37.762 -->
00:38:50.742And suddenly we're going to have a bit of an issue because no one will pay for quality apps anymore and if you don't know these things, then it will take you too long to figure it out or, you know, create security holes or whatever it is.
00:38:50.742 -->
00:38:57.065So I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm trying to be realistic and also see where I fit into all of this as well.
00:38:57.065 -->
00:38:58.831So that's kind of part of it, I think.
00:38:59.500 -->
00:39:00.139And this is important.
00:39:00.139 -->
00:39:09.603When we talk about other agents, like in terms of what we talked about earlier about playwright testing I see there's going to be testing agents that probably use things like playwright.
00:39:09.603 -->
00:39:15.987So again, it's good that to know playwright, to see what the agent is generating for the testing, because we're going to need to tweak it, like that's what I'd find, even by coding.
00:39:15.987 -->
00:39:19.128Yeah, it created that border around the panel, but it created in a weird color, so I still need to go in and tweak it.
00:39:19.128 -->
00:39:23.771Yeah, it created that border around the panel, but it created in a weird color, so I still need to go in and tweak it.
00:39:23.771 -->
00:39:28.233But then we'd also apply it's going to be creating new best practices.
00:39:28.273 -->
00:39:40.097Best practices is run your security agent, your testing agent, run your efficiency agent, see what it comes back and it says yes, this code works, but there are potential security holes here.
00:39:40.097 -->
00:39:41.079You need to address these.
00:39:41.079 -->
00:39:42.760Here's how you address it.
00:39:42.760 -->
00:39:50.054So me as a developer, looking at that, oh, I've learned something that I've introduced a possible security breach.
00:39:50.054 -->
00:39:51.985By the way, this function was created.
00:39:51.985 -->
00:39:57.762Oh, I could make this function more efficient because the efficiency agent has told me about this.
00:39:57.762 -->
00:40:02.092So this is again, we're collaborating and it's.
00:40:02.092 -->
00:40:09.722But you're right, if I just run it through the security agent and it comes back with all green check marks, yeah, I'm good.
00:40:09.722 -->
00:40:13.380That's to me lazy AI and that's something we need to be careful of.
00:40:13.380 -->
00:40:16.184We need to see why did we get green check marks?
00:40:16.184 -->
00:40:18.347Are we doing best practices?
00:40:18.347 -->
00:40:31.820And that's where this is again, there's both sides, but I do think again, embracing that collaborative spirit is probably a good way to go yeah, 100.
00:40:32.242 -->
00:40:57.989And I also like on this topic, I saw something on linkedin this week from someone called nick bibish um which was called the stingray model, which is a product design process in the ai era where they kind of go through you have the train and develop and iterate phases of a product design process and also kind of show where to use AI and where you would have a human-led part of the process.
00:40:57.989 -->
00:41:03.974And it's very interesting because the human-led part is the start and the beginning and it's the AI thing in the middle.
00:41:03.974 -->
00:41:09.364That is the majority of the AI stuff, where you train and you generate and you hypothesize.
00:41:09.364 -->
00:41:19.101Before you even go into AI there has to be a prompt right and a human still has to create that prompt when we're starting off a process like this.
00:41:19.101 -->
00:41:29.597So it starts with a human prompting the AI agent and then it's kind of just going off this massive amounts of data where you're experimenting.
00:41:29.597 -->
00:41:34.943It's going off in 10 different direction, you're following up on all of them, you're iterating in your ID and everything.
00:41:34.943 -->
00:41:40.597But as you are narrowing down, it's more and more you who is narrowing it down as a human.
00:41:40.597 -->
00:41:43.365You then put more and more graduates in place.
00:41:43.365 -->
00:41:44.681You're like let's focus on this.
00:41:44.681 -->
00:41:46.260Let's narrow it down like that.
00:41:46.260 -->
00:41:55.289No, we're looking at this, and then it's the human that actually then starts to close the gap into this one little point where this is what we want to go forward with.
00:41:55.715 -->
00:42:06.041And I loved seeing that as a visual, because it puts me in the place of this process going forward, and it made me feel more empowered as well.
00:42:06.041 -->
00:42:09.577And it's right, and I do this when I chat with ChatDVD or whatever it is.
00:42:09.577 -->
00:42:11.724Every day, I'll go in and I'll ask it all right, so this is what we're doing today.
00:42:11.724 -->
00:42:14.414We're creating a new personal brand for me and I'll ask it all right, so this is what we're doing today.
00:42:14.414 -->
00:42:20.666We're creating a new personal brand for me and I want it to be kind of both visual and aesthetic.
00:42:21.496 -->
00:42:22.481What would we start with?
00:42:22.481 -->
00:42:27.405And it goes off and it's just massive amounts of ways you could go about it.
00:42:27.405 -->
00:42:34.260And then me kind of okay, let's look at fonts today, let's look at logos today, let's look at colors today.
00:42:34.260 -->
00:42:37.373And okay, let's look at fonts today, let's look at logos today, let's look at colors today.
00:42:37.373 -->
00:42:37.347And I narrow it down for it and put the garlands in place.
00:42:37.347 -->
00:42:48.925So I really feel like that resonated with me in terms of a process and I think it will with other people as well and it applies to other things than just design, but definitely any process in this AI era.
00:42:50.898 -->
00:42:55.583And yeah, and it's done with the stingray, because the bra looks like a stingray fish.
00:42:55.583 -->
00:43:07.684So it's a good visual and it's a good naming reference to that Good segue into iterating and processing about what was for the.
00:43:07.684 -->
00:43:09.648It's called plans now.
00:43:09.648 -->
00:43:17.039It used to be called plan designer but now it's called Power Apps Plans or Plans in Power Apps.
00:43:17.039 -->
00:43:19.516Thank you, vice.
00:43:20.880 -->
00:43:22.340But Plans in Power Apps.
00:43:22.340 -->
00:43:24.983Now it creates Power Pages.
00:43:24.983 -->
00:43:27.382It's always Creative Flows and Agents.
00:43:27.382 -->
00:43:32.987Why would they call it Plans in Power Apps, do we?
00:43:34.277 -->
00:43:42.304have a whole episode on the Microsoft marketing naming stuff, because they always get it absolutely perfect, right?
00:43:42.304 -->
00:43:44.581You know what they need.
00:43:44.581 -->
00:43:46.239They need a naming agent.
00:43:47.663 -->
00:43:54.099Oh yeah, yeah, they do, but of course that would be based on data from Microsoft, so it would be just as shit.
00:43:54.099 -->
00:43:54.943That's a problem.
00:43:54.943 -->
00:43:59.045All right, moving on before I lose my MVP award.
00:43:59.045 -->
00:44:05.947So plans in Power Apps, the UI for AI, Go Nick.
00:44:07.518 -->
00:44:08.119So this is.
00:44:08.119 -->
00:44:11.918It's kind of like as we're learning and all this stuff everybody keeps talking about.
00:44:11.918 -->
00:44:16.300Okay, the user interfaces, as we know it will go away.
00:44:16.300 -->
00:44:19.664Like you know, there's not going to be a user interface for apps.
00:44:19.664 -->
00:44:22.541I'm sure we've heard variations of this, Like you know.
00:44:22.541 -->
00:44:40.896So I'm like what, Like no, like humans still need to talk, like interface with software, and then, like no, the UI, like no, the ui is going away.
00:44:40.896 -->
00:44:46.085You're going to interact through agents and co-pilots and I'm like and again when I started, before the internet, was invented, my first computer was a commodore 64.
00:44:46.085 -->
00:44:47.228How did I interact with my commodore 64?
00:44:47.248 -->
00:44:49.192you know like frank, yeah, thanks.
00:44:49.192 -->
00:44:58.148Um, yeah, pretty much we'd go out and we crank it, get the, get the computer all wound up, and then we'd see the flashing thing and I would just start typing commands.
00:44:58.148 -->
00:45:01.141I got to get it, yeah, anyways.
00:45:01.141 -->
00:45:03.619Oh, you cracked me up.
00:45:06.054 -->
00:45:10.101Did you do this with train or thought Well, no, I'm trying to stay on the train.
00:45:10.141 -->
00:45:13.597But of course now I'm like, anyways, so back on the train.
00:45:13.597 -->
00:45:15.362But you know, like, anyways, so, but back on the trade.
00:45:15.362 -->
00:45:26.907But you know, in those days this is how you interact with the computer you would actually start typing in like load this program, and then of course you had parameters like comma eight meant the disk drive, and or I want to.
00:45:26.907 -->
00:45:33.726You would type in you know, print, print this thing, like so you're typing in all of these commands.
00:45:33.766 -->
00:45:35.710You remember all of these commands?
00:45:35.710 -->
00:45:37.152Come on, this should be something.
00:45:37.152 -->
00:45:39.481You were pushing that out ages ago.
00:45:39.481 -->
00:45:39.583What?
00:45:41.376 -->
00:45:44.880This is how I spent my teenage years is on my computer.
00:45:44.880 -->
00:45:49.659Wow, Let me remember that it got burned in a ROM.
00:45:49.659 -->
00:45:52.938But anyways, so then they're going.
00:45:52.938 -->
00:45:53.219They're going.
00:45:53.219 -->
00:45:54.523Oh, Copilots, Well, you're going, and then so.
00:45:54.523 -->
00:45:54.844But so then?
00:45:54.865 -->
00:45:55.226they're going.
00:45:55.226 -->
00:45:55.568They're going.
00:45:55.568 -->
00:45:55.989Oh, co-pilots.
00:45:55.989 -->
00:45:56.873Well, you're going to interact with co-pilots.
00:45:56.873 -->
00:46:03.425It's like we're back to fucking command props again, like where we were You're right.
00:46:03.905 -->
00:46:05.487Actually, you're absolutely right.
00:46:05.487 -->
00:46:06.829It's exactly the same thing.
00:46:15.215 -->
00:46:15.255It.
00:46:15.255 -->
00:46:16.844It needs a lot of more context and stuff that you could just go, yeah, sorry.
00:46:16.844 -->
00:46:25.818So, all that being said, though, and then so I'm thinking about this, like we're not taking a lot of people take this as okay, I'm going to interact with my CRM system, interact with my accounting system.
00:46:25.818 -->
00:46:31.577It's going to be a little, a little prompt and, like I don't want to type commands, like you know.
00:46:31.577 -->
00:46:38.742Like you know, like you know, tell me how many cases I have to solve today, or I want to create an opportunity to do it like that.
00:46:38.742 -->
00:46:40.423So we know that's not going to happen.
00:46:40.423 -->
00:46:48.791So, if I look at something like plan designer, I can see sort of that being this is the, this is what we may start interfacing with that.
00:46:48.791 -->
00:46:54.826Yes, the plan designer, I want to create a new app to manage events.
00:46:54.846 -->
00:47:00.507What we see here already up in the corner, is we have there is the um, there's the user, what they call the eight.
00:47:00.507 -->
00:47:01.677They have the three different agents.
00:47:01.677 -->
00:47:07.601They have the process agent, they have the user persona agent, and then they have, like, the data agent.
00:47:07.601 -->
00:47:09.789So we have these agents standing by.
00:47:09.789 -->
00:47:18.559So to me, it's kind of like going into a room with a team and a whiteboard and say okay, team, you're good at UI, you're good at this, you're good at that, let's start working on a thing.
00:47:18.559 -->
00:47:22.762And then what happens is that user interface adapts to what we're doing.
00:47:22.762 -->
00:47:25.443So we ask here, we want to create an app to do that.
00:47:25.443 -->
00:47:27.266Okay, the persona agent.
00:47:27.266 -->
00:47:34.670He kicks in and he starts going okay, we're going to need an event manager, we're going to need a speaker, we're going to need an attendee, what's their experiences?
00:47:34.670 -->
00:47:38.413And that starts showing up within the plan designer user interface.
00:47:38.413 -->
00:47:42.465And then the user interface now goes okay, do you want to change anything?
00:47:42.465 -->
00:47:43.876Do you want to reiterate on that?
00:47:43.876 -->
00:47:48.507And then, yeah, we're still typing in commands, but it's not just print.
00:47:48.507 -->
00:47:50.179You know, print blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:50.179 -->
00:47:51.804It's okay.
00:47:51.804 -->
00:47:52.786No, we want to change this.
00:47:52.786 -->
00:47:56.420The event manager should also be able to do this.
00:47:56.420 -->
00:47:59.735Uh, we don't need to worry about sponsors, so let's just remove that persona.
00:47:59.735 -->
00:48:01.018Um.
00:48:01.619 -->
00:48:11.135And then, even then, the prompts begin to generate on the bottom so you can click on that a little bit to go through the process, and then said okay, let's move on to, you know, the data site.
00:48:11.135 -->
00:48:19.780So there's still a pre-defined process of sorts which, of course, you know, over time we can probably modify a little bit, but we're still following a little bit of a path or a sequence.
00:48:19.780 -->
00:48:22.088But then the ui is not so much.
00:48:22.088 -->
00:48:27.871There's not that big long checklist that we might have had if this tool was created five years ago, like we.
00:48:27.871 -->
00:48:29.315Actually there were tools like that.
00:48:29.315 -->
00:48:36.568Like even in power pages there was a tool that you could go and create websites, but basically it kind of goes through.
00:48:36.568 -->
00:48:37.469So that's where I see it.
00:48:37.534 -->
00:48:39.059So that was sort of my light bulb moment going.
00:48:39.059 -->
00:48:43.027This is what they mean in terms of interfacing with the computer.
00:48:43.027 -->
00:49:04.572Yes, it's not going to be the point and click and those apps will still exist, of course, but in terms of a lot of the management stuff and we also talk about Projectfia as well as another example of prompting and going through and analyzing the data and having it spit back and that whole user interface beginning to change depending on what the user is doing.
00:49:04.572 -->
00:49:06.699So that to me kind of was a, you know, a bit of a light bulb moment.
00:49:06.699 -->
00:49:16.568And then, of course, going into the plan, what plan, designer, plan, tool, whatever they're going to call it now um, of course it's added a lot new features.
00:49:16.568 -->
00:49:21.427It does understand other tables you've created because you can do this through the solution.
00:49:22.695 -->
00:49:28.202Apparently, I know that there's still some issues bringing in the common data model, so it still doesn't quite know what the contact is yet.
00:49:28.202 -->
00:49:35.121From what I heard but I haven't played with it in the last couple of weeks or a few days when it changed it also generates things like PowerPages site.
00:49:35.121 -->
00:49:36.306So it's doing so much more.
00:49:36.306 -->
00:49:41.942But again, it really is, even though I think today we would still not use it to create a production system.
00:49:41.942 -->
00:49:44.996We'd create proof of concepts in that process.
00:49:45.076 -->
00:49:59.697But again it's beginning to show us a glimpse of the future, where we're going to be down the road in terms of either building software or just business software in general, that it is going to be more of a, an interactive thing and, yes, there might be the typing, but this is also where I see the voice.
00:50:00.137 -->
00:50:11.784Now we're getting into star trek where, okay, computer, uh, create this for me, and then it comes back and there's that going to be those interfaces and that's going to be a lot more real, like real, probably sooner rather than later.
00:50:11.784 -->
00:50:24.547So to me, this is where I feel a lot more comfortable, because it's like, yeah, we have this new user interface, but we still need solution architects in the loop now, will we need as many developers?
00:50:24.547 -->
00:50:26.612That's kind of the bigger question.
00:50:26.612 -->
00:50:34.385But in terms of solution architecture and building apps and, reiteration, taking those business requirements, this is where, yes, we have these ai tools helping us.
00:50:34.385 -->
00:50:35.951We have these ANA tools helping us out.
00:50:35.951 -->
00:50:43.043We have these new non-standard UI that we're used to interfaces all becoming part of this.
00:50:43.043 -->
00:50:46.563So, again, it's still very fuzzy and unclear, but it is every day.
00:50:46.563 -->
00:50:51.824For me, that picture is getting a lot clearer because we now have tangible things that we're working with.
00:50:54.356 -->
00:50:59.047And I think what you just said there is kind of one of the key aspects that I think people are forgetting.
00:50:59.047 -->
00:51:13.588Even Tony Stark, when he talks to Jarvis, pulls up imagery and points and clicks and zooms and throws away and draw and kind of fiddle with it, right?
00:51:13.588 -->
00:51:17.425So it's the idea that you can do everything through voice.
00:51:17.425 -->
00:51:21.284Humans have a very bad short-term memory.
00:51:21.284 -->
00:51:25.284We like to get overviews of things.
00:51:25.284 -->
00:51:28.545We've always needed that.
00:51:28.545 -->
00:51:30.882Model-driven apps have survived for 30 years.
00:51:30.882 -->
00:51:31.525For a reason.
00:51:31.525 -->
00:51:33.862It's because of that kind of formatting.
00:51:33.862 -->
00:51:51.431It's a reason why Excel is still the biggest competitor to Power Platform, because seeing data in a structured overview has always been a need in business and I, for one, don't see that going away, because, as humans, that is how we structure information in our heads.
00:51:51.431 -->
00:51:52.355We need that visualization.
00:51:52.355 -->
00:51:57.581So chat, gpt now the chat-based thing it's okay, but it's not good enough.
00:51:57.581 -->
00:52:03.478I miss kind of being able to have more of a richer interface for that to show me.
00:52:03.579 -->
00:52:08.719And Project Sophia is, like you said, such a good example of that where you prompt it for something.
00:52:08.719 -->
00:52:10.043It's going to draw up the data.
00:52:10.043 -->
00:52:11.356It's going to be like a dashboard.
00:52:11.356 -->
00:52:12.617You can have different modules.
00:52:12.617 -->
00:52:15.483You can zoom in, you can make one bigger, one smaller.
00:52:15.483 -->
00:52:21.239You can drag and drop and move them around and then you can use the cursor to dive in and get another view.
00:52:21.239 -->
00:52:22.860So it's I.
00:52:23.121 -->
00:52:30.137I don't buy into the idea that, um, that ai, the ui is going away just because we have ai.
00:52:30.137 -->
00:52:52.208But that being said, though, for for some tasks, when I use ChatGPT, I prefer voice, having that conversation, that mind, when I'm brainstorming, when I'm not really sure where I'm going and I want to have a conversation with someone about something that I'm exploring and it's exploratory, sure, because then I don't need that structured information.
00:52:52.208 -->
00:52:57.364It's all just very intangible and it's a mind map kind of idea.
00:52:57.364 -->
00:52:58.106I love that.
00:52:58.106 -->
00:53:13.782So each thing for its own use is what I would say, and any one of the things that a traditional UI is going to go away completely don't understand humans very well, and we've been saying this for a few episodes already and I still believe that to be true.
00:53:14.514 -->
00:53:17.664So with that, I see that we're kind of closing.
00:53:17.664 -->
00:53:22.005It's going to be a long episode, but I just wanted to make sure we had a bit of progress.
00:53:22.005 -->
00:53:36.507Also, it's funny just going through the list here you have flow, advanced approvals, which kind of almost ties into this Because you look at something like adaptive cards, for instance, is a very good example.
00:53:36.507 -->
00:53:44.842You can have an automated process as much as you want, but then, as soon as you need a human in the loop, what is the first thing Microsoft does?
00:53:44.842 -->
00:53:48.246It creates a visual card to represent that data point.
00:53:48.246 -->
00:53:50.981That shows you the need.
00:53:50.981 -->
00:53:53.447We have to see what it is that we're doing.
00:53:58.514 -->
00:54:13.047Yeah, so that was my kind of attempt on a segue to flow advanced approvals yeah, for sure, I mean, and then, but yeah, the top of the ui of advanced approvals, but the other, just while we're still talking a little bit about the model driven apps of the, the agent activity.
00:54:13.047 -->
00:54:34.139I want to call it the activity flow or the activity timeline, but it's the agent flow again, having that human in the loop to see what the agents are up to and what they did along the way and then, if they need to, um, actually ask you a question kind of like yeah, okay, but before we delete the production database, are you sure we should do this because that's what we agents decided?
00:54:34.139 -->
00:54:47.266Um, yeah, maybe no, um, so that kind of thing, uh, but, yeah, so, but yeah, in terms of the, uh, the power, um, the advanced approvals, because we do have a um, a new.
00:54:47.266 -->
00:54:52.731Yeah, this was my thing, right, this is the thing we were talking about before, that's to learn advanced approval in agent flows.
00:54:52.731 -->
00:55:01.951Now again, we've heard from april, agent flows are really just home flows, but this is the flows that the agents will kick off and of course, we, you know, still need those approvals.
00:55:01.951 -->
00:55:03.476Again, the human in the loop.
00:55:03.476 -->
00:55:12.041And also, this is where we get into the governance and the safeguards to yeah, make sure agents don't delete prod, make sure our agents aren't ordering.
00:55:12.483 -->
00:55:21.632Oh, we see that your, your old car has a dent in it, so let's just order you a new ferrari because we have your bank information, um, those types of things.
00:55:21.632 -->
00:55:29.047So again, this is uh, again that's all, yeah, um, so there's, this was a new thing, I do believe.
00:55:29.047 -->
00:55:29.876Is it still in preview?
00:55:29.876 -->
00:55:31.523Yeah, it still has the preview tag on it.
00:55:31.523 -->
00:55:45.454Um, but again, this is, this is all part and parcel of everything else that's coming, and these are the types of things that you might just sort of miss in the whole wave of news of stuff that could be very valuable in your, in your day-to-date.
00:55:45.454 -->
00:55:51.056You had a good example of something april showed that actually was very much just in time for you about the document generation.
00:55:51.056 -->
00:55:52.458You want to quickly talk about that.
00:55:52.458 -->
00:55:55.644I know we're jumping around, but yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.
00:55:55.744 -->
00:55:57.427And then I have to put a pin in something else.
00:55:57.427 -->
00:56:10.822Sure, so what she showed was one of the new templates that you have in Copa, the studio where you actually have the AI, or maybe it's one of the AI fields which was document processor, which, as automa it's when you as a template.
00:56:10.822 -->
00:56:27.402What it does is it will monitor an inbox, so when an email comes in, it will draw the documents and put them in SharePoint, for instance, and it will then also create metadata and put that metadata in Dataverse and it will create a whole system around it.
00:56:27.402 -->
00:56:38.478And actually we're currently working on a hackathon thing which is a procurement process and we're like, hmm, hmm, isn't that exactly what we're building for that?
00:56:38.478 -->
00:57:01.326So, because it's it, and I think it's such a such a familiar use case where you have unstructured data coming in in an inbox somewhere and you want to put the documents where they belong, the metadata where they belong, you want to have collaboration in teams, you want to have an agent on top that you can have a conversation with, you want to use Loop for the content, kind of blobs.
00:57:01.326 -->
00:57:04.541There are so many things and this comes up again and again.
00:57:04.541 -->
00:57:14.099So Microsoft's very good at creating templates, and that is a fantastic segue into the next thing I wanted to mention briefly, and that is the AI Scenarios Library.
00:57:14.099 -->
00:57:16.222It just popped up in my feed.
00:57:16.322 -->
00:57:31.804It's under the adoption umbrella at Microsoft, where you can go through and look at different scenarios based on different use cases, based on different industries, based on different user roles, and you'll be looped through an experience.
00:57:31.804 -->
00:57:35.601It's I love the user interface so clear and concise.
00:57:35.601 -->
00:57:38.005And what kind of technologies would you use for this use case?
00:57:38.005 -->
00:57:38.867You'll be looped through an experience.
00:57:38.867 -->
00:57:39.409I love the user interface.
00:57:39.409 -->
00:57:39.989It's so clear and concise.
00:57:39.989 -->
00:57:41.672And what kind of technologies would you use for this use case?
00:57:41.672 -->
00:57:42.635What would the process look like?
00:57:42.635 -->
00:57:47.494What kind of products do you use?
00:57:48.175 -->
00:57:49.788And I know that this is top of mind for so many people Our customers.
00:57:49.788 -->
00:57:50.695This is the one thing they ask us for.
00:57:50.695 -->
00:57:59.068We need to understand what the use cases are, because we can't imagine this to the extent that we can see what it can do for us.
00:57:59.068 -->
00:58:00.351What can it do for us?
00:58:00.351 -->
00:58:02.757The exploration about use cases in AI.
00:58:02.757 -->
00:58:09.255So this is very much to the point of helping out to expand your mind, to see what it can actually do.
00:58:09.255 -->
00:58:15.568And then, of course, you look at something like document processing template and you go, oh yes, that I need.
00:58:15.568 -->
00:58:16.228That would help.
00:58:16.228 -->
00:58:17.701That would save us so much time.
00:58:17.701 -->
00:58:21.543So, yeah, that is just what I wanted to mention.
00:58:21.563 -->
00:58:23.286Cool.
00:58:23.286 -->
00:58:26.784What else do we have?
00:58:27.635 -->
00:58:36.619I have a few more other small things that just came up that I think was a lot of fun things that just came up.
00:58:36.619 -->
00:58:37.461That I think was a lot of fun.
00:58:37.461 -->
00:58:40.050Let me just mention David Wyatt had a blog post and a post on LinkedIn about transactions in Power Automate.
00:58:40.050 -->
00:58:45.547So remember last time we talked about Scott Juro's video where he shows transactions in plugins.
00:58:45.547 -->
00:58:50.699I'm sorry, you could do transactions in old school plugins all along.
00:58:50.699 -->
00:59:00.123Now you can do them in function, which used to be called local plugins, but functions is kind of new, and now you can do transactions through that.
00:59:00.846 -->
00:59:08.536And now David Wied is showing us how to do transactions using perform a change set request actions in Power Automate.
00:59:08.536 -->
00:59:12.706So just wanted to kind of pull that little thread from last time over to this one.
00:59:12.706 -->
00:59:36.150So if this is tooting your thing and what you need to do, then you have another way of doing that, and it's, of course, talking about transactions and the change set, so that if you do one change after another and one of the last one fails, it rolls back all of your changes, which is very important in terms of data to keep your data clean and up to date.
00:59:36.150 -->
00:59:43.842So very good job, david, and also a good excuse to mention David again, because he always we always have content from David.
00:59:43.842 -->
00:59:46.978Usually we haven't in a few episodes of ours about high tech.
00:59:47.561 -->
00:59:51.375And I think I'm not sure if I've mentioned I got to meet David in person finally at MVP Summit.
00:59:51.375 -->
00:59:54.965Very briefly, david in person finally at MVP Summit?
00:59:54.965 -->
00:59:56.391Very briefly, no, you didn't tell me.
00:59:56.391 -->
00:59:57.818Yeah, it was good.
00:59:57.818 -->
00:59:58.280So shout out to David.
00:59:58.280 -->
01:00:04.043It's nice to actually put the face, the name and someone who generates all this awesome content that we like to talk about.
01:00:05.458 -->
01:00:07.215Oh yeah, definitely 100%.
01:00:07.215 -->
01:00:08.902Thank you so much.
01:00:08.902 -->
01:00:11.996And then we had a few fun things that we wanted to mention.
01:00:11.996 -->
01:00:23.000I just love this this is right up my alley and I'm going to swear because I found a website called justfuckingusehtmlcom which is just so close to my heart.
01:00:23.000 -->
01:00:44.746It is a black background, white text, you know, times New Roman font kind of website which just goes through the basic of HTML and I think it's kind of a kick to libraries and components and UI frameworks.
01:00:45.126 -->
01:00:50.659It's just Jesus Christ, sometimes you can just use simple HTML.
01:00:50.659 -->
01:00:54.126It's enough, just a little bit of CSS and some JavaScript.
01:00:54.126 -->
01:00:56.478Maybe it doesn't have to be all that complicated.
01:00:56.478 -->
01:01:05.907I think people forget about that sometimes, that some use cases actually just going back to the basics, maybe this is going to be a great new thing for vibe coding.
01:01:05.907 -->
01:01:11.657It's like, well, maybe the old good old HTML and an index file on your web somewhere is going to be the future.
01:01:11.657 -->
01:01:16.757I don't know, but I find going back to the basics very refreshing.
01:01:16.757 -->
01:01:21.346And also and this, I think, is no, this is also mine.
01:01:21.346 -->
01:01:34.230I just wanted to put a little mention in here from Mark Christie and now I think I've lost you Right.
01:01:34.230 -->
01:01:35.210So we lost Nick.
01:01:35.210 -->
01:01:37.001We'll see if he comes back.
01:01:37.001 -->
01:01:41.440I'll just stop the recording and we'll kick it off again.
01:01:46.690 -->
01:01:47.070All right.
01:01:47.070 -->
01:01:49.641So we had a bit of a technical issue.
01:01:49.641 -->
01:01:50.605I think I'm back.
01:01:50.605 -->
01:01:53.179So you were ranting.
01:01:53.179 -->
01:01:53.842You are back.
01:01:53.842 -->
01:01:56.143You were ranting about just use fucking html.
01:01:56.815 -->
01:02:04.572And, yes, I was laughing yeah, and then I finished that off, um, and then I yeah, and then I was done.
01:02:04.572 -->
01:02:08.081So I don't think we need to to dive more into that.
01:02:08.081 -->
01:02:12.400Um, actually, cool, I think we're just gonna round things off.
01:02:12.400 -->
01:02:18.900Um, do you to kind of share a few words of what you're doing, because this is going to be published on Wednesday?
01:02:18.900 -->
01:02:27.755Do you want to share a bit about what you're doing this week, what's next for you that people can track and so that I can keep track, I can listen back.
01:02:28.237 -->
01:02:36.880Okay, so by the time this is released, for me, dynamics Mines will have finished up and then we're moving on to the next.
01:02:36.880 -->
01:02:40.858I'm actually going on vacation that's what I'm doing at the end of this week.
01:02:40.858 -->
01:03:07.351So there will be that, followed by European Power Platform Conference with a workshop and we have a couple sessions, and then I'm actually going to Collab Days, netherlands, which is like the Saturday following European Power Platform Conference, and then a few months of relaxation until things pick up again in September.
01:03:07.351 -->
01:03:09.938Yeah With Collab Days.
01:03:10.239 -->
01:03:13.588Finland Nordic Summit, Power Platform Communities Conference.
01:03:13.588 -->
01:03:23.726I think, yeah, that's all I have for sure, but I may or may not have added more session submissions to other things along the way.
01:03:24.235 -->
01:03:29.465Well, I bet you have, but it's going to be good to have a bit of holiday, because I'm going to do more of the same thing.
01:03:29.465 -->
01:03:32.644We're going to meet up at EPPC is going to be the next thing for me as well.
01:03:32.644 -->
01:03:48.925I'm going to have a week's holiday after that, and, of course, summer holiday in Norway is where everyone takes four weeks off and just do nothing and really looking forward to that, and so then I'm going to charge the batteries for fall conference season.
01:03:48.925 -->
01:03:52.858So it's going to be pretty hectic this year as well, and I'm excited about it.
01:03:52.858 -->
01:03:53.501It's going to be a lot of fun.
01:03:53.501 -->
01:03:55.771So with that, I think we're's going to be pretty hectic this year as well, and I'm excited about it.
01:03:55.771 -->
01:03:56.614It's going to be a lot of fun, cool.
01:03:56.614 -->
01:04:10.945So with that, I think we're just going to close it off and enjoy the sun and a bit of a good afternoon where we are at, and I hope you guys have a splendid rest of your week, and I hope that you guys at Dynamics Minds are really tired when it's Wednesday evening.
01:04:14.635 -->
01:04:15.737And now I can finally turn on social media again.
01:04:15.737 -->
01:04:19.226No, no, no, yeah, but this is how LinkedIn gets you, because I'll do the same thing.
01:04:19.226 -->
01:04:21.099Oh, there's an event that I wanted to go to.
01:04:21.099 -->
01:04:21.800I didn't go.
01:04:21.800 -->
01:04:26.057And then I say, okay, I'm going to be off social media, which helps.
01:04:26.057 -->
01:04:28.505But then stupid LinkedIn more on the weekends.
01:04:28.505 -->
01:04:30.733It's like I see posts from like three weeks ago and I don't want to see this.
01:04:30.733 -->
01:04:31.306I don't want to be reminded.
01:04:31.306 -->
01:04:32.099I see posts from like three weeks ago and I don't want to see this.
01:04:32.099 -->
01:04:34.398I don't want to be reminded.
01:04:34.958 -->
01:04:40.907Yeah, and I do the same thing because when you're in it, it's so hard to keep up with because you're in a session.
01:04:40.907 -->
01:05:04.418You want to know what it's about no-transcript head when the weekend comes.
01:05:04.418 -->
01:05:08.768So yeah, you're right, I have to stay off social media for the whole week.
01:05:08.768 -->
01:05:15.641All right, okay, it was good chatting with you today.
01:05:15.641 -->
01:05:30.273Today we had a really good time, as always, and I think we got um a good dose of ai today as well, and we're gonna keep it up yeah all right, right, okay, have fun thanks, check with you later yeah, catch you later.
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