INXS : Two Podcasts, One Obsession - 40 Years inside the World of Fandom

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And I had a girlfriend down in Sydney at the
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time, and I was living in Coffs Harbour. And
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I said, oh, I might be meeting Tim Ferriss for
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a coffee. She goes, Tim Ferriss? I don't know
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if you know who Tim Ferriss is, but he's like
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this entrepreneur guy. I went, no, not him, Tim
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Ferriss. So she's Googling about Tim Ferriss
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on her phone. And she was working in one of these
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storage unit places. She's Googling him. And
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Tim Ferriss walks in. And she said she was very
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polite. And then she said, are you my best mate
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for a coffee? And he goes, B. And he goes, is
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she okay? As in, because, like, thought I might
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be a stalker. But what are the chances of that?
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So I've had many things like this to say, you're
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on the right journey, B. Just go with it, you
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know, if everything's going right. So here was
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a friend. We started talking. Thank you. Hello
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and welcome to Pods Like Us. I'm Martin Quibble,
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known to my friends as Marv, and this time I
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am speaking, finally, I've been looking forward
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to this one for a long time, I am speaking with
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Bea France from, well, two different In Excess
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podcasts, because, you know, some bands and artists,
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they deserve more than just one show. Hey Bea,
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thanks for speaking today. I love it. That's
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a nice intro. Nice to meet you, Marv. Hi. Yeah,
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I'm speaking from Australia at the moment. So
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I'm right down under to your time. I've got my
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jumper on. It's getting colder and it's getting
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warm over there, I take it. Yeah, we've had over
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30 degree centigrade temperatures over here.
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So everybody in England's been moaning about
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it being too warm, of course. That's the British
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way. That's the British way. I remember it well.
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It doesn't last for long, though. It only has
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for about two weeks and then you get some rain
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later. That's it. It's going to be a washout
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for the rest of the year. There we go. We've
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already fallen back into the English talk about
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weather. You can take people away from England,
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but you can't take the England away from the
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people. No, no, no. I've only been here 22 years,
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though. What is your in excess story? What introduced
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you to them? I sort of know this from listening
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to your shows, in a way. It still has to be done.
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So, yes, what is your in excess story? OK, well,
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I was in Warsaw in the West Midlands and I was
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at college there and I was a beauty therapist
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at the time and we were studying. I had a girlfriend
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called Sharon and she was very much into Duran
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Duran. And I liked them. I just thought they
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were a bit polished and a bit like not really
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me. And then she said that she'd been reading
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Melody Maker. Simon Le Bon was talking about
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this new band called In Excess. Yeah. And she
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says, have a look at these guys. I think that
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you'd like them. And she says, look at the lead
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singer. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's quite
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handsome. And then we found out that they were
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actually playing at the Birmingham Odeon two
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weeks later. So I was like, right, well, we'll
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just go get tickets. So we got tickets. And I
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got, at the time, it was 1986. And it was the
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Listen Like Thieves tour. Yeah. So I went out
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and got the Listen Like Thieves album and played
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it to death. And I was like, right, I'm ready
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for this. I'm ready for this. I thought, I don't
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know, I was only young. I thought I'd definitely
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got one album, you know. Little did I know they'd
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had quite a few albums before that. So when they
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came out, they were a right tight, polished band.
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Oh, my God. And everyone was just up on their
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feet and it was just electrifying. And that was
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at the Birmingham Odeon. The last song on there,
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I just thought, right, that's it. I've got to
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run out and meet this band. And unfortunately,
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they were already on the coach and the coach
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pulled away and I ran after the coach. And I
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feel like I've been running after the coach ever
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since. But I can now say that, yeah, I've made
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it sort of on the coach in a way. And yeah, my
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journey starts from there, really. Well, you've
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definitely made it on the coach because, let's
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face it, the episode that you did where you were
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speaking with JD Fortune, one of the singers
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after Mike had passed away, it's even mentioned
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before the discussion starts. In the lead up
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to it, you and Hayden are both saying that you
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yourself are going to dinner or something with
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Kirk later on. Yes. Yes, I've had a few dinners
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with Kirk, actually. We've even had Kirk. Well,
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we'll talk more about this, but my podcasts are
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more than just a podcast. And I'm sure many of
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you all have podcasts that create communities,
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but I'm just very blessed that I've managed to
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create a community where we meet up for the anniversaries,
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usually, of either the podcast or anniversaries
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of Michael's birthdays or passing. I organise
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coach parties. So we go and do the In Excess
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sites and then we have a little party. And I
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was blessed for our fifth anniversary that Kirk
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came to the party. So Kirk Pengilly is more known
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for being the saxophonist In Excess, but he's
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actually a multi -instrumentalist and one of
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the main backing singers as well. He's like the
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alto to Michael. Yeah, completely different band,
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but you could almost say that... Kirk is similar
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to like a Michael Anthony in Van Halen, where
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in another band, they could have been the lead
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singer, like Roger Taylor in Queen. They could
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have been the lead singer because Kirk's voice
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is really strong. Yeah, he's got a really lovely
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voice. It's not as baritone as Michael. Kirk
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was the singer to begin with at one point. And
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there was two bands. I don't know if you know
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this. There was Guinness, which was Tim and Kirk
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and a few others. And then there was Dr. Dolphin.
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Great name. I don't know where that came from.
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And that was Andrew and Michael and Gary. And
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then they all formed together. So, yeah, Kirk
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was the singer of Guinness for a while. In fact,
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I've got a couple of recordings of Kirk singing,
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which is quite nice. That's great. And if you
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get some of the singles, you'll find Kirk singing
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on some of those anyway, on the B -sides. Oh,
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yes. Much like Andrew as well, sung on some B
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-sides. Well, Andrew sings questions on Welcome
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to Wherever You Are. Very similar to Michael,
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but yeah, that's definitely Andrew. Yeah, it's
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interesting how it took that time for Andrew
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to sort of come to the fore vocally in the group.
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But then again, in a way, it's almost like, you
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know, I'm comparing them to another band again
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here, but it's almost like if you're Brian May
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in Queen, are you going to sing your own song
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or are you going to let Freddie Mercury sing
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it? So if you're in an excess, you're going to
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let Michael sing your song most of the time,
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of course. Yeah. Well, Andrew is the genius.
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We all call him the musical genius. Andrew is
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the guy that played all the instruments and said,
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this is what I want to hear. predominantly, especially
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for Kick, which was their real breakthrough album.
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But yeah, he's the musical genius. And then most
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of the lyrics are Michael. Again, a lot came
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from Andrew towards the end as well. But yes,
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just a great force, really. What a duo and so
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completely different in characters. Yeah. My
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own story sort of is similar to yours with In
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Excess, where I used to watch a programme on
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Channel 4, which we'll both know from then, which
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was The Tube. So I watched The Tube on Channel
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4 and they went on The Tube during the same tour
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that you saw them on. And they did Listen Like
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Thieves. And was it What You Need that they did
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the other song? I think it was What You Need,
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yes, because... In Excess Official re -released
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it in the last couple of weeks and renewed that
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footage. So, yeah, you can go watch that again.
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But, yeah, I think it's What You Need that was
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on there as well. I remember watching that with
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Paula. Paula was very smitten straight from the
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beginning, wasn't she? Yes. Yes, Paula Yates
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was very smitten. And you... Yeah, because they
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looked like a pub, didn't it? That they were
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like in when they were having the chat and they
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were like leaning up a bar. I don't know if you
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ever noticed, but there's two men behind. One
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of them looks a bit like Bob Geldof, but it isn't.
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And one of those guys is friends of mine. And
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he was friends of Michael's, but he was from
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Newcastle. And they used to get up to a lot of
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mischief on all of the UK tours. Yeah, they liked
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a lot of mischief, did the In Excess Boys. Not
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really surprised there. But the thing with me
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was I saw them on that show and their performance
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there, because all the performances, for the
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most part, on the tube were live. And their performances
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of the two songs were incredible. It was something
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really special that they... had there on the
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stage that a lot of other bands when they perform
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live back then in the 80s they weren't quite
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up to the level that the album songs were but
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within excess which makes them to me stand out
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more towards the rock side of music than the
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pop they had that power and that force there
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that a lot of poppier bands didn't have in a
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live setting So the producer of Listen Like Thieves
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album was Chris Thomas. And Chris Thomas says,
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yeah, and you might know more than I do how many
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bands he'd originally played for. I think he'd
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done The Clash, yeah, and Pretenders and lots
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of those type of bands that are like, you know,
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just they were still quite big right then, weren't
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they? And they were polished bands. So he put
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the polish onto In Excess. But In Excess, you
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know, they were a rock and roll. band back then
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with the electric guitars your drums you know
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it was good to see do you remember seeing them
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on the old grey whistle tester around the same
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time too i didn't catch that performance actually
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yeah that's another one to go and see and that's
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around that time too cool Chris Thomas, they
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must have been inspired in some ways because
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of their love for Roxy music, because Chris Thomas
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produced their first two albums, I think. Okay,
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yeah. It all goes hand in hand, doesn't it? Because
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Michael Hutchence became really good friends
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with Simon Le Bon, and then they came through
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that as well, didn't they? I'm not sure if Chris
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Thomas had any hand in Duran Duran, but... Duran
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Duran loved Roxy Music. You know what I mean?
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It's all in the same sort of pedigree. Yes, the
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camp. Yeah, we're going all into tangents here,
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so we might as well just go into this as well.
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So you've mentioned Duran Duran, and the first
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episode of the second podcast you do for In Excess,
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Listen Like Fans, the first official episode
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that you did there, the Australian music journalist
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Lars Brandl... You were speaking with him about
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the connections between In Excess and Duran Duran
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because he has that similar story to you where
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his introduction was a Duran Duran connection
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as well. Yeah, so Lars is from Australia, but
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he wanted to go to England after seeing Duran
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Duran on the TV. He's a big music journalist
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over here. Tall as well, I must say. He's very
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tall. And yeah, he wanted to become my first
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guest on my show. It went really well. And it
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was a real two -four. You play one of your tracks,
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I'll play one of my tracks. The best of and all
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different ones. It was actually a really good
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fit. and really good fun to actually do that.
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I'd like to do that again if there is anybody
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out there. I'd love to do a U2 one or, I don't
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know, anything. I'd like to do more bands against
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In Excess' bands. Yeah, I liked that when you
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did the thing where you were saying, so he would
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pick a ballad by Duran Duran and you would...
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Pick the obvious ballad by In Excess. It has
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to be that one. And all these, they were like
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comparisons with each other. And for concert,
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you picked Wembley, the famous Wembley Stadium
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performance of In Excess. Yes, and I've just
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been off air with you and you said you've actually
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got the T -shirt. How did you get the T -shirt
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for Wembley? I don't know how I got that. My
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other half in the other room actually got that
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for me from somewhere. But I don't know. She's
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had it for years. That's good. Yeah. So the Wembley
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concert was more on the back of X. So that would
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be their sixth album by then. Michael was on
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fire. I mean, they all say it's like, you know,
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class A production because he used like amazing...
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Photography. There's a line by Michael saying
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that you only got paid enough to pay for his
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champagne bill because all the money went actually
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on hit the show on producing the. But it's amazing
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that we can still see that now. And it's actually
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at the cinema sometimes and it's on the TV. You
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can go watch it. Yeah, it's a great one. But
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like we say, I mean, Wembley, it was just moving,
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wasn't it? Like a force when. when they were
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playing New Sensation, everyone's jumping at
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the same time. Fantastic. Yeah. I should have
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prepared myself here because talking about live,
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I've got the red vinyl for live at, is it the
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Albert Hall from the Listen Like Thieves tour?
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And I've got it on red vinyl down there somewhere.
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Beautiful. It was just a great concert. And it's
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a beautiful sounding concert as well on there.
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I was very excited about getting it. But when
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I heard it, it took me straight back to my first
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concert because it was the same sort of lineup,
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really. I know they mixed it up a little bit,
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but because it's a live album, you just felt
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back being that teenager again and hearing your
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band for the first time. It was just perfect.
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We were very lucky that In Excess, the band,
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all gave us a copy of that CD for our goodie
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bags that I gave out to everybody when they came
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to the coach tour and the party. Do you realise
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it's In Excess's birthday next year? They're
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going to be 50. I do realise that because I also
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know that when... The unfortunate thing happened
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to Michael that they were discussing the anniversary
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tour back then as well. 20th, yeah. Yeah, that
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was a very sad day. I don't know if we should
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go there just yet, but no tears just yet. The
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50th will be good. I will be doing another party.
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I'm also thinking, well, definitely going to
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be doing a boat ride on the Sydney Harbour. So
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if anybody is out there and fancies doing that,
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we'll be all getting together and we'll be hiring
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a boat and playing the tunes and going underneath
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the Harbour Bridge and past the Sydney Opera
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House. It'll be really good fun doing it with
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friends. It's a stroke of luck in some ways that
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for now, for their continued journey and their
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material going out, such as that live album there.
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What's really good as well is the fact that they've
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got on board the incredible Giles Martin to help
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with this in some ways, because a lot of people
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will know that Giles Martin is the son of the
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late George Martin, the record producer for the
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Beatles. But with Giles, his work with In Excess
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is sort of a passion project because he's always
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said that In Excess was his band. when he was
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younger. And that shows in the fabulous work
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that he's doing with cleaning up these recordings
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that have sort of like deteriorated over the
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years. And he's done a beautiful job of restoring
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them and bringing in excess music to new listeners
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now. Yeah, yeah. And funny enough, my next interview
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was with a guy, he's only around about 26 from
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England, and he's a big fan of In Excess and
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collects all of the music and he's just on the
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journey now. So like you say, it's reaching all
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the younger generation, which is great, isn't
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it? This is what we want. But the diehards like
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ourselves, you know, we're still stuff suckers
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to buy all the, you know, the re -releases and
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everything because... As long as they're bringing
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out some of these things that Giles is doing,
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you know, and hearing them again, so well done.
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It's just, yeah, we're so lucky, actually. And
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we're so lucky to have so much footage as well
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of Michael and In Excess. Yeah. All those videos
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that's on there and really good. I sort of hope,
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and I've mentioned this on, you know, in excess
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groups on different places, that we had some
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amazing video footage of the guys from back then.
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We're going on so many tangents here. I know.
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We've got so much footage of them from like,
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you know, Kick Flicks video that came out around
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Kick. Then you've also got The Swing and Other
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Stories. I think it was called, wasn't it? That
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video. Yeah. That's really good. You've got all
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those videos on there, like Dancing on the Jetty
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and All the Voices and all these songs that are
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on there. You've got those videos that you can't
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get anywhere else. Most of those. Yeah. But there's
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so much footage there. Wouldn't it be amazing
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to have like an anthology of In Excess, like
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we've got the anthology of The Beatles, and have
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all that there? Well, there is talk. especially
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when I've been talking to our Kirk over dinner,
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that there is going to be some sort of doco.
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And like I mentioned earlier, there's a 50th
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coming up. So we're hoping for big things for
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next year. It's going to be a big year. So, yes,
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I'll bring this in now because. It's a crying
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shame that InXS aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall
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of Fame in America. Yes. Yes, yeah. So having
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a documentary and also having the 50th anniversary,
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we're hoping that's going to give a lot of clout
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and a lot more sight for the committee members.
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So how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame works is...
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There is a fan vote, but it only comes to one
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point. The rest, I think there's over 2000 points.
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So really it's a drop in the ocean, but it's
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a bit of fun for the fans. So what we need to
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do more than anything is just get the band seen
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as much as possible and talked about. So that's
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what. myself and Hayden, who was my co -host
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in my first podcast, which is still going. We're
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still getting hundreds of downloads a day, even
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though we don't do any podcasting anymore at
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that point. Although, I mean, we pop up now and
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again. But that's what I mentioned at the beginning
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of the show. We're trying to get in excess into
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the Rock and Roll of Fame. Last year was the
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first year they got nominated. Yeah. Which was
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ridiculous, isn't it? It is. And we... As a whole,
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the NXS fans, on the public vote, we got them
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into that top six, which is what they were saying.
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I mean, I was one of those that voted every single
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day from when it started all until, and I'm sure
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all of us did exactly the same thing. So you're
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hinting at this. There's a slight disappointment
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there that, like you said, that only counts as
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one vote. Yes. All of those millions of votes
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that we all did. Yeah. daily it only counts as
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one vote and it's irritating that they're not
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going to be in there so let's bring up the word
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oasis i don't know if you like that word i don't
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mind i don't mind it but in in excess fans are
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a little bit like oh i don't mention it because
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they upset michael once but we'll talk about
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that maybe in a later but um oasis were nominated
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two or three times before they got in this year.
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They're actually in the Rock and Roll of Fame,
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which is going to be happening in November, I
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think. Yeah, November. So what they said to their
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fans were, don't vote. Stop voting for us. And
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they were really far down in the fan vote. I
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don't know if you noticed, but they were right
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down the bottom. And this is the first time we've
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been nominated. So we're like, oh, great. We're
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beating, you know, so -and -so and so -and -so.
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But it doesn't really matter that much. But I
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suppose someone said what it really matters,
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though, if, because I think it's each committee
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member has to vote this year, seven votes. So
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they've got seven votes. So if they've got, okay,
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they've got like their favorites, the first five
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or whatever, and then they've got two votes and
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like, well, who do I vote for? And then they
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go on and look at this list and then they go,
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okay, they are the more popular, I'll vote for
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them too. But it could work the other way. It
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could work with, oh, well, I like them as well.
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So you just don't know. You don't know how it
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works. It's a strange one. Yes, what they were
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saying at the Brit Awards or the comment that
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was made about that is, quite frankly, disgusting.
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It's awful. Bad taste. But we've got that problem
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as well. Coming in November when the induction
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happens, Noel Gallagher famously hates Phil Collins.
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And Phil Collins is going to be in the Rock and
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Roll Hall of Fame. And Noel Gallagher has said
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some really awful things about. Phil's music
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and this sort of thing. And that worries me in
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a sense because Phil, whether you like his music
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or not, he was predominant there in the 80s and
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was an important force on other people's careers
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and what he did to there. So I find Knowles talking
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about Phil Collins as being quite offensive in
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a way. as well, if that makes sense. They can
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be quite irritating with some of the comments
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that they make, the Gallagher brothers. The Gallaghers
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are entertaining, aren't they, for some people.
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They like that brashness. I'll just say what
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he did to Michael. It was live, for a start.
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It wasn't a recorded thing. It was a live BAFTAs,
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I think it was. Was it BAFTAs? Not BAFTAs. Wasn't
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it the Brit Awards? Brit Awards, that's it. It
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was the live Brit Awards. And Oasis got Newcomer
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of the Year. That's right. And Michael was awarding
00:24:00.609 --> 00:24:04.089
it to them. And when it was handed over, Noel
00:24:04.089 --> 00:24:08.769
said, has -beens shouldn't be giving it to newcomers
00:24:08.769 --> 00:24:11.609
or something like that. And just a big slap in
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the face. Because Michael and Liam were actually...
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They actually were friends at that point through
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Paula because he was seeing Paula. Then the big
00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:27.700
thing was Patsy Kensett was there as well and
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given the awards. Well, Liam liked Patsy and
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I think there was something there that Noel had
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.220
had a few and thought that Michael was after
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Patsy and it was all a bit of triangle stuff
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at the end of the day. But do you know that?
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There's a rumour that Michael then went and re
00:24:49.509 --> 00:24:53.509
-recorded the song Elegantly Wasted. Right. I
00:24:53.509 --> 00:24:56.210
didn't know this. Oh, you don't? Okay. So if
00:24:56.210 --> 00:24:59.450
you go listen to the song Elegantly Wasted, it
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actually says it's some parts better than Oasis.
00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:08.180
Right. Better than awake. Yes, of course. Cool.
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.420
So I had Tim Farris, who is the lead guitarist
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:15.940
on In Excess, and we asked him about it. And
00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:18.440
he was very coy about it. He says, I don't know.
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.859
I don't think Michael would do it. But if you
00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:25.079
listen, it does definitely sound like it. We
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.839
will leave that there because my own recordings,
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.779
we've done something similar. Oh, really? With
00:25:32.779 --> 00:25:35.259
a band that I was in, we did something. sort
00:25:35.259 --> 00:25:38.559
of similar to that where we've recorded, we slightly
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.960
changed the line for the backing vocals that
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.660
sounded similar to the lyric it should have been,
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.779
but was hinting at maybe an issue that we had
00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:52.680
with somebody as well. Leave it there because
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.500
it's got a naughty word in it as well. Oh, right.
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.980
In that one. So I'm leaving that one well alone.
00:26:01.819 --> 00:26:05.150
Right. We'll take these in opposite order. So
00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:08.750
the first In Excess podcast was Access All Areas
00:26:08.750 --> 00:26:10.849
or In Excess Access All Areas. It's been going
00:26:10.849 --> 00:26:14.390
since the beginning of 2020. It's amazing how
00:26:14.390 --> 00:26:18.589
many podcasts started in then. Yeah, COVID. COVID.
00:26:19.529 --> 00:26:22.109
Thank you, COVID. There was something good out
00:26:22.109 --> 00:26:27.650
of it. Well, it did because you did that. And
00:26:27.650 --> 00:26:31.269
I'm assuming that you started from that show
00:26:31.269 --> 00:26:35.359
from being fans. I'm just assuming I might be
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.279
wrong. So that's why I've put here it's sort
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.059
of like from loving the band, then you talk about
00:26:41.059 --> 00:26:44.799
the band in the show, then you talk to the band
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.299
themselves or the members about the music, and
00:26:49.299 --> 00:26:51.440
then you speak to other people like, I'll put
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.539
it out there, Marco Pitts, nice guy. I love that
00:26:55.539 --> 00:26:58.660
guy. He's great. He's great. He's amazing. I've
00:26:58.660 --> 00:27:01.900
spoken with him a few times. fantastic his stories
00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:04.460
are incredible yeah the people he's worked with
00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:08.839
oh yeah it must be because i know when i meet
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.019
some people it's like an imposter syndrome when
00:27:11.019 --> 00:27:13.140
i do the music shows and i talk to people for
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:16.819
that i'm thinking hold on a minute i'm a fan
00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:20.220
and now i'm talking to this person how on earth
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:25.660
has that happened It's a strange one for me because
00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:28.299
like Australia is not like that. We don't really
00:27:28.299 --> 00:27:31.180
have that sort of like system over here where
00:27:31.180 --> 00:27:35.920
everyone like, you know, you make someone really
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.359
big and famous in your head and then you meet
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:42.779
them. It sounds really not so, I don't know if
00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:45.019
I'm coming across right here, but I just find
00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:49.660
them more friendly and they're my friends. And
00:27:49.660 --> 00:27:54.900
I just feel. connected to them and we feel you
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:57.299
know as soon as they come off air they give me
00:27:57.299 --> 00:28:01.039
my their number and i'm texting and we're sharing
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.400
photos of like you know the band or and stories
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.019
and i get to know them on another level i mean
00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:10.640
marco pits i've had breakfast with marco pits
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.710
and we call each other I class these people as
00:28:14.710 --> 00:28:18.009
friends. This is Australia. Australians are just
00:28:18.009 --> 00:28:22.210
so open and relaxed and they're not big headed.
00:28:22.309 --> 00:28:24.490
They're very humble people. That's what it is.
00:28:24.569 --> 00:28:28.410
And you feel relaxed around them. So I actually
00:28:28.410 --> 00:28:32.309
met Tim first before I even started the podcast.
00:28:32.789 --> 00:28:37.720
Okay. Yeah, so weirdly, and I was just on Facebook
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.240
and how my journey started was I had a Facebook
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.920
page called Hutch Nation. In excess fans love
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.900
Hutch Nation. And I started that and I just really
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:51.980
loved it. I just loved finding things and researching
00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:55.519
and putting it out there. And then I saw this
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.880
face and it was Tim Ferriss' face and I just
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.759
like. asked him if he wanted to be my friend
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.579
and he became a friend and before I know it we
00:29:03.579 --> 00:29:06.519
were really good friends you know sharing stories
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.000
and things and I was like how would you how do
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.299
you feel about meeting up for a coffee and he's
00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:14.920
like yeah let's do that one day and and I had
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.299
a girlfriend down in Sydney at the time and I
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:21.460
was living in Coffs Harbour And I said, oh, I
00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:24.099
might be meeting Tim Ferriss for a coffee. She
00:29:24.099 --> 00:29:26.980
goes, Tim Ferriss? I don't know if you know who
00:29:26.980 --> 00:29:29.180
Tim Ferriss is, but he's like this entrepreneur
00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:33.680
guy. I went, no, not him, Tim Ferriss. So she's
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:38.559
Googling about Tim Ferriss on her phone, and
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.900
she was working in one of these storage unit
00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:44.319
places. She's Googling him, and Tim Ferriss walks
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.440
in. And she said she was very polite, and then
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.400
she said, best mate for a coffee and he goes
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.539
B and he goes is she okay as in because like
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:00.920
thought I might be a stalker but what are the
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.440
chances of that so I've had many things like
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.799
this to say you're on the right journey B just
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.460
go with it you know if everything's going right
00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:13.599
so here was a friend we started talking Hayden
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.559
my co -producer well he's actually the main producer
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.490
at the beginning was because he had We met on
00:30:21.490 --> 00:30:25.490
the red carpet of the film Mystify, which was
00:30:25.490 --> 00:30:28.269
a documentary about Michael by Richard Loewenstein.
00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:32.029
He met me because I was doing one of those journeys
00:30:32.029 --> 00:30:35.049
coming from Carthage to Sydney, going past like
00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:37.130
where the boys went to school, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:37.230 --> 00:30:41.549
So he'd seen my journey into the city and to
00:30:41.549 --> 00:30:46.319
this premiere. And we became friends. And then
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.960
probably about six months later, he phones me
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.740
and he said, I've got an idea for a podcast.
00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:56.440
Do you want in? And I'd been to see a reader.
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:57.900
I don't know if you're into that, but I'd been
00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:00.920
a reader. And this reader had said, you're in
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.579
the wrong job. Whatever comes up next to do with
00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:07.440
entertainment, you say yes. So I said yes. And
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.559
that's where it all started. Wow. I don't know
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.900
if that was the answer you wanted, but that was
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:15.839
the beginning of the podcast. And so and then
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.740
from then I had Tim who could help me get some
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:23.019
of the band members on. And Mark Hopitz started
00:31:23.019 --> 00:31:26.079
listening to us and he contacted Hayden. And
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.599
yeah. And then Nick Egan. I don't know if you
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.740
know who Nick Egan is. Yeah, I do know Nick Egan.
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.579
Yeah. The artist and photographer. Amazing. He's
00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:38.690
from England, originally from London. Yeah, and
00:31:38.690 --> 00:31:42.869
he was hilarious. He came on our show and he
00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:44.970
said, apologies, apologies, I've just been out
00:31:44.970 --> 00:31:49.450
to dinner with John from Duran Duran. So we were
00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:53.009
like, what? His best mate was John Taylor. And
00:31:53.009 --> 00:31:55.809
then we found out that John Taylor and Michael
00:31:55.809 --> 00:31:57.809
were quite good friends as well for a while.
00:31:58.150 --> 00:32:01.289
So it's just been wonderful, like, you know,
00:32:01.309 --> 00:32:04.529
all these people popping up everywhere. That's
00:32:04.529 --> 00:32:08.970
so cool. Producing Access All Areas, it started
00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:12.089
as Hayden as the main producer. Has it now been
00:32:12.089 --> 00:32:15.009
shared out and you've learnt more about that
00:32:15.009 --> 00:32:19.750
side of it? Yeah, so producing, I mean, we were
00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:23.250
in different cities. He's in Melbourne and I'm
00:32:23.250 --> 00:32:26.329
thousands of miles away from him. So everything
00:32:26.329 --> 00:32:29.970
was done remotely and we had to learn a lot because
00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:33.690
of it had to be done in virtual ways, really.
00:32:34.460 --> 00:32:38.059
And he has no technical ability at all. None.
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.460
I don't think he could even copy and paste at
00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:43.940
that point. So I do all of that side of it. So
00:32:43.940 --> 00:32:47.220
I do all the recordings. I do all the editing.
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.900
I made all the like jingles and all of that.
00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.839
I was the person that uploaded it. I'm the person
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.859
that did all the marketing and I'm the pusher.
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.299
He came up with the ideas and he was the main
00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:04.019
host. So that's his part that he did. And he
00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.700
did a cracking job. And he's amazing. He's a
00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:10.240
very, very clever, intelligent man. And he can
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.579
recall a lot of things, whereas I can't recall
00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:15.460
too much. But like it is there now. And I learned
00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:17.400
a lot from him about In Excess. I didn't really
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.519
know that much. I just love them. You know, do
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.900
you like In Excess? Yeah, I love them. Why? I
00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:24.799
don't know. I just love them. But now I know
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.539
why I love them. Because of Hayden. So I thank
00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:31.400
him. Yeah, I have the same thing. I help out
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.400
with a Beatles podcast. My favourite band is
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.859
Queen, but we'll leave that. So I help out with
00:33:36.859 --> 00:33:39.619
a Beatles podcast and they'll say, well, you
00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:41.500
know, yeah, but you like them. And I'll go, yeah,
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:44.299
but they'll come out with things. And I'm always
00:33:44.299 --> 00:33:46.220
stunned when they'll come out with things in
00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:48.019
the shows or they'll have a subject and I'll
00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.619
be like, well, I like them. I didn't know any
00:33:50.619 --> 00:33:53.859
of all this other stuff that went with it all.
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.920
Yeah. it's great I mean you know I've I talk
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.539
about INXS daily, probably like every couple
00:34:02.539 --> 00:34:04.799
of hours I'll pick up my phone and then I'm talking
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.680
to somebody else all around the world now. I've
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.840
got fans everywhere. I think we're actually in
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.400
about something like 40 different countries.
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.639
And so it's great. People in Portugal and lots
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:24.199
in America and Mexico, lots in Argentina. And
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.460
it's just wonderful that you can hear all these.
00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:29.989
different stories and now i've got the new podcast
00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:33.909
i'm able to tell people's stories so i've got
00:34:33.909 --> 00:34:37.929
yeah uh not but not only that i've actually got
00:34:37.929 --> 00:34:41.230
people like um i've got a guy coming on um his
00:34:41.230 --> 00:34:44.389
name's todd and he was john ferris's um drum
00:34:44.389 --> 00:34:47.949
tech fascinating no if you'd have told me that
00:34:47.949 --> 00:34:50.329
i was going to talk to somebody like that i'd
00:34:50.329 --> 00:34:53.329
be at my death i would be at my death but he's
00:34:53.329 --> 00:34:56.889
actually really an interesting guy and i just
00:34:56.889 --> 00:34:59.510
like couldn't get enough of it really it was
00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:02.849
really um unique because he worked with the guy
00:35:02.849 --> 00:35:05.610
from death leopard as well with the one arm how
00:35:05.610 --> 00:35:12.329
technical would that be yeah wow but you know
00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:14.889
you meet these people i did it with this show
00:35:14.889 --> 00:35:17.889
i recorded an episode last week we're going on
00:35:17.889 --> 00:35:20.610
so many tangents here it's terrible but that's
00:35:20.610 --> 00:35:25.039
how podcasts work So I was talking with a film
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.719
producer and director last week who's come out
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.699
with a new film. This film is based on found
00:35:30.699 --> 00:35:33.760
footage or, you know, public domain footage and
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.420
he'll put it together and then he'll write a
00:35:35.420 --> 00:35:38.559
film around that. And I thought that's interesting
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.159
from a, you know, an alternative filmmaking point
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.320
of view. And then you research these guests that
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.239
you're going to have on and you must do it yourself
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.289
as well. where the more you look into them, you'll
00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:52.309
look and you'll suddenly see something that pops
00:35:52.309 --> 00:35:54.730
out at you and you'll think, wow, I didn't know
00:35:54.730 --> 00:35:57.769
that, but that's really interesting. Because
00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:01.730
I found out that this guy I was speaking to,
00:36:01.909 --> 00:36:05.949
he is almost the go -to source for big Hollywood
00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:10.369
films for old footage. He sources it all for
00:36:10.369 --> 00:36:12.929
these films. So if you've seen The Incredible
00:36:12.929 --> 00:36:16.639
American Maid starring Tom Cruise. underrated
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.860
film in my opinion all the found footage and
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:22.340
stock footage that's in there he sourced all
00:36:22.340 --> 00:36:25.500
that for that and he sources for marvel and that
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:30.199
to me was really interesting yeah so he archived
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.980
it yeah if he finds all this material going through
00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:36.860
all the going to all these different film libraries
00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:40.000
and where all this stuff is sourced and then
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.360
he's gotten a huge amount of notes at home about
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.920
what this footage is, so that then when he gets
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.699
somebody like Tom Cruise contact him and saying,
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.539
oh, we'll look after this footage, we'll go with
00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:55.619
this, this, or this, because he's done three
00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:58.019
Tom Cruise films, I think, that he's done this
00:36:58.019 --> 00:37:01.019
for stock footage. And he's got all this information
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:03.980
so that they come to him and he can say, yep,
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.119
I know where to find what you're looking for
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.210
exactly, and then he'll go to it. And he's already
00:37:10.210 --> 00:37:13.809
transferred it all as well from tape to digital
00:37:13.809 --> 00:37:16.909
and cleaned it up to a degree. So it still looks
00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:22.469
old. But that I found really interesting. Yeah,
00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:25.309
that would be interesting. I love people like
00:37:25.309 --> 00:37:28.150
that. I don't know how you are, but I'm not very
00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:32.050
good at... categorizing things and putting things
00:37:32.050 --> 00:37:34.769
away. They have to be out for me to remember
00:37:34.769 --> 00:37:37.889
what I'm doing half the time. So I've got pieces
00:37:37.889 --> 00:37:39.769
of paper and everything everywhere. I'm a bit
00:37:39.769 --> 00:37:46.150
of a scatterbrain. Yes, there you go. I do like
00:37:46.150 --> 00:37:50.230
my running sheet, but I think I write it and
00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:52.090
then I remember it. I don't actually look at
00:37:52.090 --> 00:37:55.679
it. I'm that type of person. So I like to get
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.280
it in order in my head and then I'll remember
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.400
it. Yeah. And then you've got it all handwritten,
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.840
don't you? I do. I do. Sometimes I do do pictures
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280
and all sorts for them and make it into a piece
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.780
of art. Although I'm a terrible artist. I used
00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:12.840
to be like that. We've accessed all areas though.
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:14.820
I used to write everything. I used to have books
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:16.699
and books and books of it. It's all gone now.
00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:21.099
But now I actually just use. Chat GPT is really
00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:25.219
good to get all your ideas out and then you can
00:38:25.219 --> 00:38:29.360
just play with those then. It just lists things
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.760
a bit better. I'll show you. I've got one here.
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.920
I know it's not good for podcasting, but it's
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.559
good for you to have a look at. But, yeah, I'll
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.739
write it into segments like this. Okay. Wow.
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.400
Yeah. Yeah. And then I just feel very professional
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.199
when I send that off to the guest. And then it
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.659
actually rolls a lot better as well. And then
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:50.920
at the end of the show, I'll say, is there anything
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:52.699
that was on there that wasn't? And they'll go,
00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:55.539
no, half the time. But if there is, then we can
00:38:55.539 --> 00:38:59.420
just go back and edit it back in. Yeah, I've
00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:01.880
done that before where I've said at the end to
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:03.920
people, is there anything that we've missed or
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.380
anything we should have talked about but didn't?
00:39:06.380 --> 00:39:09.090
And then I will do. Well, what we used to call
00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:11.489
back in the days when we used to use tape, we
00:39:11.489 --> 00:39:13.829
used to call it a punch -in back in the old days
00:39:13.829 --> 00:39:17.929
in studios because you punch it in. That's right.
00:39:18.690 --> 00:39:22.349
The old days of working in a recording studio.
00:39:22.809 --> 00:39:25.070
Have you changed how you record now as well?
00:39:25.130 --> 00:39:28.329
I noticed that you – I don't use this medium,
00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:32.800
but how did you used to start recording? When
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.659
I first started, we're going to come to this
00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:36.360
with yourself as well, because that must have
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.960
changed over the years with how you do it. Yeah.
00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:43.380
So when I started in 2020, it was Zoom. I still
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:47.340
have a Zoom account because some, not for pods
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:50.340
like us, but for some of the music shows, like
00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:53.559
Top of Most of the Pop of Most, we will be talking
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.059
to people who, I think this is an offensive way
00:39:56.059 --> 00:39:59.539
to say it, but some people who are older guests.
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.719
don't like making things confusing for themselves.
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.380
So they are used to Zoom, where if I use something
00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:10.920
like we're using now, we're using Zencastr. Zencastr
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.179
does something that when we first started doing
00:40:13.179 --> 00:40:16.719
this in 2020, we couldn't do in a way, which
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.059
it will automatically record each person's film
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:24.619
and audio on their own device so that there's
00:40:24.619 --> 00:40:27.400
no actual problems with it. Quite often you'll
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.980
have a problem with the signal. on these devices.
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.139
So we get a clean feed for both and then the
00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:37.579
edit is done using those separate feeds. So it's
00:40:37.579 --> 00:40:40.900
clean and it's pristine and there's very little
00:40:40.900 --> 00:40:44.960
degradation of sound or video quality. So yeah,
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.519
it has changed because of that, because the technology
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.579
has changed so rapidly over that time. And I
00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:53.219
think COVID has a lot to do with that and the
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:56.559
amount of people that podcast using these forums.
00:40:57.449 --> 00:41:00.030
Has built up as well. And I think so technology
00:41:00.030 --> 00:41:02.429
has changed because of that. It must have changed
00:41:02.429 --> 00:41:06.250
for yourself the same way. Yeah, I use something
00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:10.190
similar to what we're using today. It was a Belgian
00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:14.369
company and the name Aztecs escaped me. But so.
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.119
It wasn't video. It was just audio. But, oh,
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.099
my gosh, it was terrible. Like each of us was
00:41:22.099 --> 00:41:24.760
dropping out. And if he was talking, there was
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.579
a reverberation. And I'd have to stretch. You'd
00:41:28.579 --> 00:41:30.760
have to stretch it to actually cut bits out of
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.699
it. Oh, my gosh. I was up for hours trying to
00:41:34.699 --> 00:41:37.559
edit those in the early days. I'd love to go
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.340
over them. I cringe now to go listen to them.
00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:42.079
They're probably not as bad as you remember,
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:44.880
but at the time, it was like holy moly. My hair
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.840
out. And then I was probably having too many
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.579
cuts in one take. So, yeah, there was a lot of
00:41:51.579 --> 00:41:54.460
verberations back then. I don't get any of that
00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:58.679
anymore. So, yeah, we quickly went over to Zoom.
00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:02.260
And Zoom's just been easy for Hayden more than
00:42:02.260 --> 00:42:04.659
anything. So we just kept with that. I tried
00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:08.440
him with, let's say he has a face for radio.
00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:15.500
No, I'm joking. But he used to do a lot of this
00:42:15.500 --> 00:42:18.260
when we were recording on StreamYard and it was
00:42:18.260 --> 00:42:20.119
just really frustrating or we'd have a bored
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.920
face. And I was like, oh, God, I can't do video
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.000
with Hayden. Whereas now I have guests that are
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.000
really like into it and I can do a lot more videos.
00:42:30.219 --> 00:42:33.579
And so now I use StreamYard. And I must admit
00:42:33.579 --> 00:42:37.420
the quality, like you say, of the audio now and
00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:42.420
you are. I record. I used to record separately.
00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:45.400
Now I just record everything all in one, and
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.840
I just put it through Enhancer on Adobe, and
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.619
the quality is fantastic. And then what I do
00:42:51.619 --> 00:42:55.980
then is I throw that into iMovie, and then I
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:58.920
watch the iMovie, cut that up, and that's my
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:03.079
video done. Wow. It's easy. That's so cool. Lots
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.409
easier. So I went to the, do you know, you probably
00:43:06.409 --> 00:43:08.349
don't, but we've got some awards here called
00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:12.730
the APRA Awards. Yeah, I do know those. You do
00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:16.030
know about them. And InXS just won the Ted Albert
00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:18.210
Award, which is probably the highest award you
00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:20.070
can get in Australia. They won it this year.
00:43:21.250 --> 00:43:24.969
And I spent a lot of money to go there and got
00:43:24.969 --> 00:43:28.070
lots of fantastic footage. Went with my mate,
00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:31.130
Dr. Jim, who is a chiropractor, but affectionately
00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:34.570
known as Dr. Jim, who runs the campaign for Let's
00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:37.230
Get InXS into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:41.960
who, yeah, he runs the petition for that. And
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.659
we had a great time. And then we did a show on
00:43:44.659 --> 00:43:46.940
the back of that and we put all our footage in
00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:49.800
with it. So with that, we could slide our own
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.460
heads off to the one side and play it. But you've
00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:56.730
worked with StreamYard? I've only been a guest
00:43:56.730 --> 00:43:58.630
on a show with StreamYard. I've never actually
00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:01.769
used it myself, no. Oh, it's great. It's so much
00:44:01.769 --> 00:44:05.809
easier. I love it. Yeah, and you can, with StreamYard
00:44:05.809 --> 00:44:08.969
as well, you can brand yourself quite easily
00:44:08.969 --> 00:44:15.030
as well. And then what I do is I've got a platform
00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:20.360
called Patreon. Yes. Yeah, so with Patreon then
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.159
I do the teaser videos and then I also do the
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.760
full video for the people that pledge to pay
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.300
for it because they want to watch it. So they
00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:33.500
can see the video of the interview and then the
00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:36.900
free is just for the audio. The free members
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:41.059
get just the audio. Yeah, I do the same thing.
00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:44.400
I'm at patreon .com forward slash pods like us.
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.420
I don't need to say that again now later. But
00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:50.579
on there. They get a video version of the discussions,
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:55.039
but to everybody else, the audio goes out to
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.760
the main pod services, Apple Podcasts and all
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.500
of those other places. I do the same thing. I
00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:05.139
put the video format on there. What else do you
00:45:05.139 --> 00:45:09.619
do? Yeah, so I've got Patreon. I've got the Facebook
00:45:09.619 --> 00:45:13.659
and all the socials, Instagram, Twitter, or X,
00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:17.210
Threads. I've not done anything on TikTok for
00:45:17.210 --> 00:45:19.869
a while. I probably should. No, I must admit,
00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:22.989
I think there's only so much you can do. I used
00:45:22.989 --> 00:45:27.489
to be on X and I used to do TikTok. Threads,
00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:29.429
I didn't even bother with. I can see that it
00:45:29.429 --> 00:45:31.670
goes on there, but I don't do anything with it.
00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:35.239
Yeah, it's pretty hard. I mean, I've got a team
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.900
behind me now. I'm very lucky. I've got about
00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.920
five people that help me. But, you know, they're
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.460
busy people as well. It's all voluntary. And
00:45:44.460 --> 00:45:47.659
we've got a website too. But, yeah, it's hard
00:45:47.659 --> 00:45:49.860
to do these socials. I must admit, though, we've
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:53.880
just hit 45 ,000 followers on Facebook, so we're
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.119
very proud of that. Wow. And we've hit another
00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:00.460
1 ,000 in the last 14 days. That's it. When you
00:46:00.460 --> 00:46:03.119
hit these big numbers, it just rolls. It just,
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.940
yeah, it just gets better and better. Because
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:09.840
I think what happened for us is that Kylie Minogue
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.960
brought out her documentary on Netflix with a
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.119
lot of footage of Michael and then people just
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.280
want to know more. So they find that we are one
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.960
of the biggest Facebook pages for InXS at the
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.500
moment. There you go. That's your next episode.
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:30.010
Kylie. asking Kylie about her fanship of In Excess.
00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:32.869
Well, funny enough, though, I actually work at
00:46:32.869 --> 00:46:35.630
an optometrist, one of the leading optometrists
00:46:35.630 --> 00:46:40.010
in Australia. And so I get to meet people. And
00:46:40.010 --> 00:46:42.150
if I get really friendly with them, I always
00:46:42.150 --> 00:46:45.710
go, well, do you like the band in excess? And
00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:47.849
nearly everyone in Australia has got a story.
00:46:48.070 --> 00:46:52.730
And this week I met a lady who is best friends
00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:55.309
with Michael Hutchence's first ever girlfriend.
00:46:55.510 --> 00:46:58.590
Not Michelle Bennett, but another Michelle. And
00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:01.110
hopefully I will be having her coming on the
00:47:01.110 --> 00:47:03.090
show. So, yeah, it's nice to get the girlfriends
00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:07.420
on. Helena as well sometime in the future. Oh,
00:47:07.659 --> 00:47:10.739
well, it would be good to get the big ones in.
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:12.980
I mean, it'd be nice to see if we could get Bono
00:47:12.980 --> 00:47:16.579
on or, you know, we'd be good. It'd be nice to
00:47:16.579 --> 00:47:19.280
get Chris Thomas on really as well. That'd be
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.980
really good. Chris is really tricky to get a
00:47:23.980 --> 00:47:27.059
hold of. Isn't he? We've been trying for years.
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.320
Yeah. We've been trying him for the Beatles podcast
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.940
for a long time because Chris was unofficially
00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:39.019
producer of the White Album by the Beatles because
00:47:39.019 --> 00:47:41.699
George Martin went away on holiday for a long
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:44.699
time and he said, oh, my assistant Chris will
00:47:44.699 --> 00:47:48.239
take care of everything that you need. So three
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.019
quarters of the songs on the White Album were
00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:53.800
actually produced by Chris Thomas and his keyboard
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.210
work is all over it as well. Yeah. All over that
00:47:58.210 --> 00:48:02.190
album. I heard he's not been too well. This might
00:48:02.190 --> 00:48:05.210
be another reason why he's not around. So I hope
00:48:05.210 --> 00:48:08.530
that he gets better soon. Yeah, we also had another
00:48:08.530 --> 00:48:11.369
great producer called Nick Launay. Have you heard
00:48:11.369 --> 00:48:14.630
of Nick? Yep, The Swing. He did The Swing. And
00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:18.289
before The Swing, he was co -producer of Kate
00:48:18.289 --> 00:48:21.769
Bush's Withering Heights. So he was good. And
00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:25.780
funny enough. He came on the podcast, another
00:48:25.780 --> 00:48:28.079
great guy, another one that you just go, okay,
00:48:28.179 --> 00:48:32.199
I'll marry you as well. Sorry, got a bit cheeky
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.719
then. So he came on the show and he was producing
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.019
an album for Amel and the Sniffers. Have you
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:42.619
heard of these guys yet? I have not heard of
00:48:42.619 --> 00:48:45.840
them yet. Okay, yeah, well, you've heard them
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.980
now. So Amel and the Sniffers is fronted by a
00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:56.250
young lady called Amy. And she is an interesting
00:48:56.250 --> 00:49:00.730
girl. She's got a cracking figure, very blondie,
00:49:00.730 --> 00:49:06.280
meets punk, in your face, Sid Vicious. but with
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.500
a darling heart, you know, absolutely gorgeous
00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:12.400
heart. She was at the APRA Awards, and I just
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.380
fangirled it out when I saw her, and I just got
00:49:15.380 --> 00:49:18.420
a photo with her, and I went, oh, Chris, you
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:21.619
know, I had Nick Lorne on, and he did your first
00:49:21.619 --> 00:49:24.500
album, and she's like, oh, my God, yeah, I remember
00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:27.920
that. So, yeah, there was an In Excess and Amel
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.059
and Sniffers, like, now connection with Nick
00:49:31.059 --> 00:49:35.139
Lorne. It was quite special, actually. Wow. So
00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:37.820
many names that you're calling out. Oh, sorry.
00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:43.380
Wow. It's funny, you mentioned Queen earlier
00:49:43.380 --> 00:49:47.400
as well. And I did a podcast with Nick Azaya,
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.860
who came third runner up to JD in the Rockstar
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:57.679
In Excess show that In Excess did in 2004. He
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.579
was Galileo in We Will Rock You. Did you know
00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:05.639
that? I think I remember that. Yeah, I loved
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.579
Rockstar in Excess. I thought that was brilliant.
00:50:07.820 --> 00:50:10.380
I wish we could still watch that now, actually,
00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:13.619
in some ways. Yeah, well, I can tell you lots
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:15.659
more about that. I mean, you should listen to
00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:18.340
Mig's interview that I did anyway, because there's
00:50:18.340 --> 00:50:21.099
a lot about Brian May in there as well. Yeah,
00:50:21.219 --> 00:50:24.960
because it's really, really good. But yes, probably
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.159
about two weeks ago, they've just done a reunion
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.110
for Rockstar. Wow. In America, in Hollywood.
00:50:32.690 --> 00:50:36.769
Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, it was live streamed.
00:50:36.769 --> 00:50:39.110
I might have a link to see if we got a recording
00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.670
on it. I'll see that for you if you like. But,
00:50:41.710 --> 00:50:43.949
yeah, it was just a live performance. And we
00:50:43.949 --> 00:50:45.489
were hoping that they might come and do some
00:50:45.489 --> 00:50:47.190
more of that. But, yeah, it was a cracking show,
00:50:47.269 --> 00:50:49.849
wasn't it? It was. Really good. Well produced.
00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:53.829
The band was amazing. They really were. Yeah.
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.280
Dave Navarro's interactions with In Excess when
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.639
he joined them on stage and the band on stage
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.500
as well. At the beginning, oh, yeah. Yeah, amazing.
00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:07.199
But Migs, you will not miss him if you watch
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.420
the footage because the hair is everything. Yeah.
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.119
When I was interviewing him, he was actually
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.900
on a ship in Japan and he was just about to go
00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:23.360
and sing in Japanese. This is incredible, hey?
00:51:23.619 --> 00:51:25.960
What a rock star that you could, you know, is
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.820
that able to sing in Japanese. Yeah, it really
00:51:30.820 --> 00:51:35.219
is amazing. We're going to have to go back to
00:51:35.219 --> 00:51:39.840
this list of points that we've got. So the show
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.019
logo, I liked the show logo for In Excess Access
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:45.920
All Areas, the first show, because it's sort
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.539
of like a... Is it cartoonised? Picture of yourself
00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:52.719
and of Hayden there and the wording there, which
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.360
is classic podcastery, but it's also perfect
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.639
for the show itself as well. There's been no
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.659
need to change it over all that time. Yeah, so
00:52:02.659 --> 00:52:06.039
we were very fortunate that I brought his name
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.960
up earlier, Nick Egan, who actually created the
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.099
kick album, the iconic kick album of The Half
00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:17.579
Face of Michael. and the boys and he we were
00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:20.519
friends and he just did a caricature of me and
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.280
I says I love it I just love it I says can you
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.880
put me in an excess t -shirt and he put me in
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.880
an excess t -shirt and I think I might want to
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.480
use this for a logo can you make one of Hayden
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.429
and that's how it went so it was just him playing
00:52:35.429 --> 00:52:38.789
around making some caricatures and then he came
00:52:38.789 --> 00:52:41.690
up with that and then i just created the logo
00:52:41.690 --> 00:52:44.309
myself with the star it had to have a star in
00:52:44.309 --> 00:52:46.750
it and it had to be red and black and yeah it
00:52:46.750 --> 00:52:49.349
worked really well except i think i'm wearing
00:52:49.349 --> 00:52:52.550
the um yeah i'm wearing the in excess t -shirt
00:52:52.550 --> 00:52:55.789
and hayden's wearing the aa t -shirt so we always
00:52:55.789 --> 00:52:58.409
used to be hayden and b but then it had to have
00:52:58.409 --> 00:53:01.340
b and hayden because of the way that it It was
00:53:01.340 --> 00:53:04.840
red on the actual logo. But, yeah, that was quite
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.579
good. And then the new one, which is Listen Like
00:53:07.579 --> 00:53:11.380
Fans, I took that from one of the pictures of
00:53:11.380 --> 00:53:14.059
the boys again. I silhouetted it. I darkened
00:53:14.059 --> 00:53:16.960
it right up and then put the gold star and just
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.139
made it come alive and exploded it. And I sent
00:53:20.139 --> 00:53:23.400
that to Kirk. I sent about six different ones
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.920
for him to look at, and he chose that one. It
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.000
jumps out at you in a way almost a bit like,
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.960
you know how some of the In Excess videos, especially
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.159
during the X period, where it's coming out at
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.440
you. Yeah, I wanted it to be alive. In the films,
00:53:39.460 --> 00:53:42.099
for instance. Yes. That for Listen Like fans,
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:46.179
which is inspired title. Not to say, that is
00:53:46.179 --> 00:53:49.900
really good. Thank you. It's almost like you
00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:52.739
can see where it came from, but... Nobody had
00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:55.079
ever thought about that as a title until then.
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:56.579
You know, it's like those things that are there.
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:57.920
Yeah, it says everything. You've got this and
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.059
like thieves, this and like fans. I know. But
00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:04.360
yeah, the whole picture jumps at you. Well, as
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.219
soon as I was like playing around with lots of
00:54:07.219 --> 00:54:09.239
things, because it was going to be for the love
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.019
of In Excess, because that's what I'm all about,
00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:15.340
you know. And then I was like, oh, and then Listen
00:54:15.340 --> 00:54:18.559
Like Thieves was my album that I found them on.
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.739
And then it has the listen in there. And then
00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:24.639
like, yeah, it's just why not? It just works
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:30.179
completely. So is Listen Like Thieves your favourite
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:35.380
album by In Excess then? You know it isn't because
00:54:35.380 --> 00:54:39.360
you listen to my shows. Yeah, no, Elegantly Wasted
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.219
is my favourite album. That's a great album.
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.960
It's so good. And the more you listen to it,
00:54:45.019 --> 00:54:47.760
the more you fall in love with it. Yeah. And
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.860
Hayden didn't understand why I loved it. He's
00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:53.320
always been a welcome to wherever you are as
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.239
a man. Same, yeah. Yeah. But why do I like Elegantly
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:02.019
Wasted? I just found it was just that it's so
00:55:02.019 --> 00:55:05.619
mature. It's a manly album. It's looking into
00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:08.260
a man's life, which was Michael's life. It's
00:55:08.260 --> 00:55:12.599
very personal. I just love all the little sounds
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.719
that they bring in. I feel like I'm in the desert
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.079
one minute and then I'm on that runway, you know,
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.059
going to an airfield. I'm going over to America
00:55:22.059 --> 00:55:24.739
or, you know, it's just an absolute beautiful
00:55:24.739 --> 00:55:27.820
journey. You close your eyes and it's just wonderful
00:55:27.820 --> 00:55:33.300
songs. Don't lose your head. Wow. It's just so
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:37.960
aggressive and so punchy, but every... word that
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:41.300
comes out of Michael's mouth, you can hear. It's
00:55:41.300 --> 00:55:44.679
like you don't not understand him. He's so clear
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.980
with his thoughts and how he pronounces things.
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.719
Yeah, I just love it. Have you listened to it
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.260
much? I listened to the album quite a lot, actually.
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.820
I do like the album a lot. What's your favourite
00:55:57.820 --> 00:56:01.960
song off that album? My favourite song, it might
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.780
be Everything. Oh, yeah, that's beautiful. Because
00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:09.539
I just love the... It's almost an intimate song.
00:56:10.300 --> 00:56:13.440
And I don't know whether it's the video that
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.719
does this to me or whatever, but in a sense,
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.579
I almost see it like a love song between them
00:56:19.579 --> 00:56:23.420
and the fans themselves. Or that's the sort of
00:56:23.420 --> 00:56:26.500
feel that I get from the video, at least. The
00:56:26.500 --> 00:56:27.840
video is great because they're in this round
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.960
thing where it goes around. It's like the old...
00:56:31.610 --> 00:56:33.469
These motorbike things where motorbikes used
00:56:33.469 --> 00:56:35.769
to go around. Oh, yeah. That sort of thing. That's
00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:37.530
what it makes me think of. So it's going around
00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:41.449
in a circle. The band are in the middle. Or the
00:56:41.449 --> 00:56:43.289
circle is that they are in. That keeps going
00:56:43.289 --> 00:56:45.769
around. And then you've got an audience on all
00:56:45.769 --> 00:56:48.070
these chairs. It's almost like an old amphitheater
00:56:48.070 --> 00:56:53.289
type chair. That's right, yeah. But you get interaction
00:56:53.289 --> 00:56:56.309
from the audience as well, all the people there.
00:56:56.860 --> 00:56:59.539
you hear them on the video and respond. So there's
00:56:59.539 --> 00:57:01.579
that back and forth and that rapport between
00:57:01.579 --> 00:57:05.920
them and the audience there, the fans. To me,
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.960
I feel that in that song. So when I listen to
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.780
everything, I mean, they're not really, but it's
00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:14.960
almost like they're singing to me directly in
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.960
a way. Everything you do for me and everything.
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.340
The lyric is just a beautiful song. It is. It's
00:57:22.340 --> 00:57:25.860
such, it's like you say, we say that it's Michael,
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.340
if you listen to the songs, it's like Michael's
00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:30.840
personal journey, like where he was going through
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.019
at that time as well. One of the songs that he
00:57:34.019 --> 00:57:37.400
also sings on there is called Searching. Yeah.
00:57:37.460 --> 00:57:42.260
The album version is great, but you must see
00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:47.659
Michael singing the song on the ARIA Awards in
00:57:47.659 --> 00:57:51.300
Australia. Yeah. Oh, my God. What had just happened
00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:54.320
to him was there had been a drugs bust at his
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.860
house in England. The nanny had found the drugs
00:57:57.860 --> 00:58:03.880
and Paula had to leave Tiger, their baby, less
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.119
than 18 months old. She had to leave the baby
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.840
and then fly all the way back to England to the
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.619
press. Can you imagine that? I can't imagine
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:17.239
leaving my baby. to go back to face the press
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:21.340
about something that had been planted. And you
00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:25.679
can feel Michael's emotions as he's on the ARIA
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.880
Awards that night, singing, searching. And the
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.519
lyrics are just, wow. I don't know how he did
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:37.760
it, but it's just stunning. And also that performance
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.420
of searching, because I've seen that a few times.
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.659
It also points out something that I think a lot
00:58:43.659 --> 00:58:47.539
of people outside of the NXS fandom will not
00:58:47.539 --> 00:58:52.579
realise is that it's songs like that where you
00:58:52.579 --> 00:58:56.300
can see he's got this incredible soulfulness
00:58:56.300 --> 00:59:00.820
there within his voice that I would put up there
00:59:00.820 --> 00:59:03.619
with some of the great soul singers. That performance
00:59:03.619 --> 00:59:08.599
is astounding. Oh, so amazing. So, so amazing.
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.980
And the other... standout song on so many I could
00:59:12.980 --> 00:59:16.940
I just love all the album but um I'm just a man
00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:21.619
wow and that perform I wish I'd heard that more
00:59:21.619 --> 00:59:25.440
live as well but that song just it's reaching
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.699
in there you know I'm just a man what are you
00:59:28.699 --> 00:59:33.320
doing you know I'm just please you know talking
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.400
about his brother and his sister and yeah it's
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.829
just so personal And it's also breaking away
00:59:39.829 --> 00:59:42.130
that song, I'm Just a Man, it breaks away that
00:59:42.130 --> 00:59:44.349
thing where you've hinted at, when you speak
00:59:44.349 --> 00:59:46.969
to some of these people, you know, to some other
00:59:46.969 --> 00:59:48.809
people, it's like, oh, this is a big star, this
00:59:48.809 --> 00:59:52.210
is this, that and the other. But that song, and
00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:55.429
there's a few songs on that album, and there's
00:59:55.429 --> 00:59:58.050
a few songs on Full Moon Dirty Arts that do this
00:59:58.050 --> 01:00:01.869
as well, not to the same amount, but they break
01:00:01.869 --> 01:00:04.969
away that sort of barrier that's there in its
01:00:04.969 --> 01:00:07.630
sort of saying. yeah, okay, I've got this, but
01:00:07.630 --> 01:00:10.329
underneath all of that, I'm the same sort of
01:00:10.329 --> 01:00:12.889
person as you are. I've just been lucky enough
01:00:12.889 --> 01:00:15.710
that I've got fame there to be able to fall back
01:00:15.710 --> 01:00:20.949
on, but I'm just a man. And that is, yeah, you
01:00:20.949 --> 01:00:23.610
find it on those albums leading up to this, so
01:00:23.610 --> 01:00:26.329
you'll find it on Welcome to Wherever You Are,
01:00:26.449 --> 01:00:29.130
and then Full Moon Dirty Arts, and then it sort
01:00:29.130 --> 01:00:31.949
of comes to a thing with... like you said, elegantly
01:00:31.949 --> 01:00:35.570
wasted, gradually the songs are becoming more
01:00:35.570 --> 01:00:40.030
about them as opposed to about subjects in general.
01:00:40.230 --> 01:00:42.829
And yeah, by the time you get to elegant, and
01:00:42.829 --> 01:00:46.650
it's annoying and irritating, and I hate to use
01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:52.349
that phrase about this, but to think, wow, where
01:00:52.349 --> 01:00:56.639
could that have gone from there? because they
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.300
were transitioning at that point to something
01:00:59.300 --> 01:01:01.280
that could have been really, really special.
01:01:01.900 --> 01:01:05.159
Yeah, because you can listen to their albums,
01:01:05.340 --> 01:01:08.639
especially Elegant Race, and it's such a classic
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.719
album that it doesn't feel dated. I don't feel
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.519
you can listen to that and go, okay, yeah, that's
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.980
from the 90s. It doesn't sound like that at all.
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.139
It sounds different to what else was going on
01:01:23.139 --> 01:01:27.360
back then. It's not like a big production. It's
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:31.360
just them. It's those lyrics, the soulfulness,
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:35.679
as you say. And yet that album was produced very
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.320
differently. It had a different producer. It
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.380
was more demos than anything, I hear, and they
01:01:41.380 --> 01:01:43.780
were all in different rooms. They weren't like
01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:45.579
the Chris Thomas where Chris Thomas likes them
01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:48.300
all in the same room and all playing their instruments
01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:50.719
and singing at the same time. Bruce Fairbairn,
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.039
he's no longer with us. Yeah, we had his producer
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.980
on, which was a great episode that we did with
01:01:56.980 --> 01:01:59.579
Hayden, and that was very enlightening, some
01:01:59.579 --> 01:02:02.500
of the things that he told us. But, yeah, it's
01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:04.400
just my favourite album. So what is your favourite
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.400
album? My favourite album, well... If you're
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.579
not a big fan of In Excess and you are a casual
01:02:10.579 --> 01:02:13.320
fan, I think they would probably lean towards
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.340
Kick, the casual fan. Do you agree with that?
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.800
Because that is... Yeah, well, it's got all the
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.300
hits, hasn't it? Yeah, it has. When you've got
01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:28.500
six chart hits on one album, of course, it's
01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:31.260
going to be the one that the general public will
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:35.440
lean towards. Yes. Me, I'm a fan of Welcome to
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.539
Wherever You Are because I like the... It's not
01:02:38.539 --> 01:02:42.179
overproduced in any way. It's got Mark Opitz,
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.559
the producer. It's got his brilliant ability
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.719
of getting the... Fingerprints all over it. It's
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.500
fingerprints all over it. It's amazing. But also
01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:54.039
it's got those leans, like when you get... The
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:55.679
big one that people will think about that would
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.860
be Baby Don't Cry, I would have thought, because
01:02:57.860 --> 01:03:01.840
that's the big epic song. it's got that sort
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.780
of life to it in the song which people might
01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:08.760
not know but that's added to because you've got
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.519
the orchestra there with the band and they're
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.579
performing as a band together the band and the
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:17.000
orchestra in the same place at the same time
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.840
so that interaction works there with that and
01:03:21.550 --> 01:03:24.789
I can feel the band interaction on that album
01:03:24.789 --> 01:03:28.230
that Mark invariably gets there, probably from
01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:30.889
his history of being an engineer for ACDC, for
01:03:30.889 --> 01:03:33.289
Vander and Young back in the days and that. So
01:03:33.289 --> 01:03:35.469
that's always, that's the life thing I think
01:03:35.469 --> 01:03:38.409
that Mark's probably used to. And I can hear
01:03:38.409 --> 01:03:41.050
that interaction there between them. There's
01:03:41.050 --> 01:03:44.090
very little overdubs going on there as well on
01:03:44.090 --> 01:03:47.070
the album. It's a very in -the -room sort of
01:03:47.070 --> 01:03:51.280
work. Yeah, I get that. And I find that it's
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.340
not a boring album because everything is so different.
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:57.880
But he's done a really good job of making a bit
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.579
of a journey with the songs. Whereas with Full
01:04:01.579 --> 01:04:05.599
Moon Dirty Hearts, if you listen to when we spoke
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.139
to Mark, that is not how he wanted the album
01:04:09.139 --> 01:04:12.239
to run. And Chris Murphy, bless him, the manager
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.599
of In Excess, he decided that he wanted to put
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.460
the big numbers at the front. Because at the
01:04:19.460 --> 01:04:22.320
time that Full Moon Dirty Hearts was produced
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:26.400
or came out, that was when grunge was there.
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.119
So they wanted it to feel grungy and put all
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:31.860
those for the front. But it would have been nice
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:35.820
to have seen if Mark had got his own way. Yeah,
01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:38.860
it would. I can see that from both sides, because
01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:42.019
obviously you've got grunge. So, of course, you're
01:04:42.019 --> 01:04:44.539
going to have the gift somewhere towards the
01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:46.739
beginning of the album, because it's got that
01:04:46.739 --> 01:04:48.159
sound to it. And then you've got, you know, Make
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.559
Your Peace and songs like that, which are big
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.300
rock songs. I can see how they're doing that.
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.760
But I question when record studios and people
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.800
get in the way with that, because to me personally,
01:05:01.099 --> 01:05:03.840
I like an album that flows nicely, elegantly
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.690
wasted. That flows really nicely. Beautiful.
01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:09.489
Kick flows the way that that is. Listen Like
01:05:09.489 --> 01:05:12.710
Thieves, actually, Listen Like Thieves, up until
01:05:12.710 --> 01:05:14.909
Welcome to Wherever You Are, Listen Like Thieves
01:05:14.909 --> 01:05:18.969
might have been my favourite or second favourite.
01:05:19.210 --> 01:05:21.750
That either goes between Listen Like Thieves
01:05:21.750 --> 01:05:25.369
or Shabu Shubar for me. Oh, yeah, Shabu Shubar.
01:05:25.369 --> 01:05:26.909
One of those two will go one or the other. I
01:05:26.909 --> 01:05:28.909
think Shabu Shubar as well, which is another
01:05:28.909 --> 01:05:31.269
Marco Pitts production. Yes, his first album.
01:05:31.489 --> 01:05:36.210
That's a superb album as well. I mean, I like
01:05:36.210 --> 01:05:38.250
all the Nexess albums. I haven't got a problem
01:05:38.250 --> 01:05:39.769
with any of them at all. I think they're all
01:05:39.769 --> 01:05:42.650
great. We should also mention that they did some
01:05:42.650 --> 01:05:46.829
collaborations, which really, like, they're not
01:05:46.829 --> 01:05:50.550
made big fusses about. You don't really hear
01:05:50.550 --> 01:05:53.769
about it much. Not many people know that they
01:05:53.769 --> 01:05:57.070
worked with these, like, big artists. You know,
01:05:57.170 --> 01:06:00.369
we've got Chrissie Hynde, Pretenders, Full Moon,
01:06:00.409 --> 01:06:04.019
Dirty Hearts. You know, amazing song. Ray Charles.
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.900
Ray Charles, yeah. And that was because he was
01:06:07.900 --> 01:06:11.659
in France, wasn't it? Yes, yeah. But, yes, Full
01:06:11.659 --> 01:06:13.820
Moon Dirty Hearts, you've got all these collaborations
01:06:13.820 --> 01:06:18.880
with Chrissie Hines and Ray Charles or Sir Charles
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:23.760
or what is he? Mr. Charles. Mr. Charles. Mr.
01:06:23.900 --> 01:06:27.800
Charles, yes. That's brilliant. So good. Yeah.
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.059
Have you ever listened to the album that came
01:06:31.059 --> 01:06:35.119
out at the same time as the Mystify film, which
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.820
was called Michael's Musical Journey? I've not
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:42.400
heard that, actually, no. I should. I should.
01:06:42.460 --> 01:06:46.380
You need to note this album because it is one
01:06:46.380 --> 01:06:50.159
of my favourite albums. It was produced by Chris
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.599
Murphy and another guy whose name escapes me.
01:06:53.179 --> 01:06:56.400
I heard that this producer was trying to do the
01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.900
right thing for Michael and he was on his hands
01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:02.019
and knees at some points crying, trying to get
01:07:02.019 --> 01:07:04.940
it right for Michael and just like really feeling
01:07:04.940 --> 01:07:08.159
it. And you feel it is a big passion piece, this
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.900
one. So there's not many albums like this, but
01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:15.710
it interludes. a little bit of audio, and then
01:07:15.710 --> 01:07:19.769
it'll do isolated voices of Michael. So they'll
01:07:19.769 --> 01:07:22.510
take the music out and you're just hearing Michael
01:07:22.510 --> 01:07:26.690
singing what you need. Oh, my God. This album
01:07:26.690 --> 01:07:29.510
is a great one for a long journey in the car,
01:07:29.610 --> 01:07:32.630
a bit like your podcast. You put this album on.
01:07:32.730 --> 01:07:36.329
And I swear not, you will find something different
01:07:36.329 --> 01:07:38.610
every time you press play on that recording.
01:07:39.670 --> 01:07:42.400
Wow. I'm looking forward to getting to listen
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.500
to that. When I come back to the edit of this,
01:07:44.579 --> 01:07:47.219
I'm going to note that down. Yeah, it is. Check
01:07:47.219 --> 01:07:51.280
it out. I've got the Gatefold album, and it's
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:55.099
on vinyl, so it's two vinyls. So there's four
01:07:55.099 --> 01:07:59.280
parts to it, A, B, C, and D. And you can get
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.139
it on digital downloads from iTunes as well.
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:05.280
Because I know through talks with Danny Saber
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.900
that he did work with Michael as well. Oh, that's
01:08:07.900 --> 01:08:12.380
a good album too, yes. Except for me, it's a
01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:15.360
good album and I like it, but it does sound very
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.699
2000s. It's got some like little bit of whizzing
01:08:18.699 --> 01:08:21.039
in there and stuff that just makes it feel a
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.100
bit like you just wouldn't hear that sound now.
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.359
You know, it's just a bit, yeah, for me, for
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:30.279
me. And of course, Max Q is the missed opportunity.
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:35.079
Well, I have got, right, so you've heard of Olly
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:38.279
Olsen, who was with Michael, and most of the
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.180
songs were written by Olly, I must say, and Michael
01:08:41.180 --> 01:08:43.380
performed them. But there was another guy called
01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:47.539
Gus Tully and his brother as well. I've got Gus
01:08:47.539 --> 01:08:50.539
coming on my show in a couple of weeks' time
01:08:50.539 --> 01:08:55.680
to tell me they are re -releasing it. Wow. We're
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:57.720
getting the expanded version that everybody keeps
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:01.380
shouting for. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I speak
01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:04.720
quite a lot with another guy called Bruce Butler,
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:08.399
who actually was Ollie's manager for a while.
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.720
And he says that I will be the first person to
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.899
be able to mention the proper dates that come
01:09:14.899 --> 01:09:16.479
in and everything. But yeah, we're over the moon
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:19.100
because he got taken down. Maybe I might leave
01:09:19.100 --> 01:09:21.899
it for the podcast. But yeah, there was talk
01:09:21.899 --> 01:09:24.680
and you just can't find it. If you've got the
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:26.979
vinyl, yeah, you've got the vinyl, but you can't
01:09:26.979 --> 01:09:29.180
get it on iTunes for love or money at the moment,
01:09:29.220 --> 01:09:32.359
but it will be there soon. Cool. That's great
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:37.640
news because sometimes Oatvin wrote Way of the
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:40.180
World. You could just name all these songs that
01:09:40.180 --> 01:09:43.539
people need to hear and they can't. Ghost of
01:09:43.539 --> 01:09:47.500
the Year. Yeah. Ghost of the Year. Yeah. Incredible
01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:52.329
songs. Incredible. Even Andrew Farris, after
01:09:52.329 --> 01:09:55.609
hearing Michael sing that, which was Michael's
01:09:55.609 --> 01:09:58.729
Arcadia, you know, Duran Duran did Arcadia and
01:09:58.729 --> 01:10:01.670
the Power Station. Power Station, that's right.
01:10:02.649 --> 01:10:06.010
And he said, your voice, sing like that on the
01:10:06.010 --> 01:10:09.489
next album. And that's what happened. It is,
01:10:09.630 --> 01:10:12.949
yeah. X, which is the next album they did after
01:10:12.949 --> 01:10:15.710
that, has got a lot more soul on it, a lot of
01:10:15.710 --> 01:10:18.449
soul on that album. Yeah, which a lot of people
01:10:18.449 --> 01:10:23.130
call kick part two more than X. Yeah, I think
01:10:23.130 --> 01:10:26.250
that's a bit rude, really. It is rude. I'm glad
01:10:26.250 --> 01:10:29.369
you said that. I don't like that myself. I know
01:10:29.369 --> 01:10:32.750
I don't like it. But it's good because it comes
01:10:32.750 --> 01:10:34.970
back to that circle again when we talked about
01:10:34.970 --> 01:10:37.689
Wembley. A lot of the hits from there were on
01:10:37.689 --> 01:10:41.310
there. And John Farris, the drummer, managed
01:10:41.310 --> 01:10:44.130
to get some of his songs on X as well, which
01:10:44.130 --> 01:10:48.510
was awesome. Yeah. and disappear. But, I mean,
01:10:48.590 --> 01:10:53.430
when you look at songs on X such as The Stairs,
01:10:53.630 --> 01:11:00.590
which is an amazing song, but I can see how Michael's
01:11:00.590 --> 01:11:06.789
journey vocally in Max Q would lead to his amazing
01:11:06.789 --> 01:11:10.729
vocal performance on The Stairs and on By My
01:11:10.729 --> 01:11:13.250
Side and songs like that that are on that album
01:11:13.250 --> 01:11:17.859
that have got this... His voice really shines
01:11:17.859 --> 01:11:21.960
through songs like that on X. And I think it's
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.600
him getting that bit of a breather with the max
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.560
Q that sort of led to him bringing his voice
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:32.279
to the fore even more. Yes. I've just released
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:37.680
another episode with InXS's massage therapist.
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:42.079
I don't know if you've heard it yet. And she
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.380
was their naturopath. Wow, it's a great insight.
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:50.739
So she ended up making some drops for Michael
01:11:50.739 --> 01:11:54.420
to help with his throat. With his nose. And to
01:11:54.420 --> 01:11:59.560
help with his range, yeah. And Kylie Minogue
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.779
actually said that that was one of the things
01:12:02.779 --> 01:12:04.960
that he said, I've got some of these throat drops.
01:12:05.930 --> 01:12:08.229
And that was one of his chat -up lines to her.
01:12:08.329 --> 01:12:11.430
And it was these drops, this natural path that
01:12:11.430 --> 01:12:15.550
I ended up interviewing this week to talk about.
01:12:15.609 --> 01:12:18.350
She's quite an amazing guest, actually, very
01:12:18.350 --> 01:12:22.369
different to all the producers and the band and
01:12:22.369 --> 01:12:25.409
people that knew them. And I've had, like, you
01:12:25.409 --> 01:12:30.789
know. techs on and the rodeos and crew and managers
01:12:30.789 --> 01:12:33.949
but like to have a massage therapist that's quite
01:12:33.949 --> 01:12:38.689
an intimate job hey so it's a very interesting
01:12:38.689 --> 01:12:44.170
episode i'll tell you that well you have mentioned
01:12:44.170 --> 01:12:47.729
a lot of standout moments during the shows that
01:12:47.729 --> 01:12:51.170
you've recorded is there somewhere where you
01:12:51.170 --> 01:12:53.510
think this is the episode you need to listen
01:12:53.510 --> 01:12:57.500
to or the talk The one that I enjoyed doing was
01:12:57.500 --> 01:13:01.420
the Max Cue. I really enjoyed that because we
01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:03.640
were allowed to play the songs in full as well.
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:06.640
Wow. So we do play a lot of music and access
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.439
all areas. If we're talking about access all
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.220
areas, we're talking five years of recording
01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:15.920
and we did it every week. I must say I did burn
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.159
out towards the end because it was a different
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.640
type of show as in we had segments, we had a
01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:26.430
news. In there, a weekly news, we'd have fun
01:13:26.430 --> 01:13:29.729
parts. We'd go sometimes for two hours and it
01:13:29.729 --> 01:13:32.789
was a lot of work, but they were good. And for
01:13:32.789 --> 01:13:34.789
that alone, I'd say just listen to the whole
01:13:34.789 --> 01:13:38.270
lot. But for fans, I know that they love anything
01:13:38.270 --> 01:13:41.489
to do with Mark Hopitz because Mark just knew
01:13:41.489 --> 01:13:45.310
so much. The Nick Egan's as well, because he
01:13:45.310 --> 01:13:48.149
was a good friend with Michael. His episodes
01:13:48.149 --> 01:13:52.880
are fantastic. Listen Like Fans, my new podcast.
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.140
Andrew Lambie will be coming on soon. And we
01:13:57.140 --> 01:13:59.619
will be talking about the holy grail of INXS
01:13:59.619 --> 01:14:02.579
top 10 things that you can collect. So he's a
01:14:02.579 --> 01:14:05.539
massive collector. That is going to be an awesome
01:14:05.539 --> 01:14:07.680
episode. The massage therapist and everyone.
01:14:07.899 --> 01:14:10.680
Todd. I mean, they're all great. You know, I've
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.720
enjoyed all of them. But my standout one was
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:17.239
with a guy called Chris McKay. Okay. Chris McKay
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.939
is a fan that gets quite emotional. And for a
01:14:20.939 --> 01:14:23.239
very long time, when Michael passed away, he
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.680
couldn't listen to In Excess music. He wouldn't
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:31.600
go to any tribute bands or anything. And I met
01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.000
him at an Andrew Farris concert because Andrew
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:37.180
Farris is now doing country music. And I went
01:14:37.180 --> 01:14:40.600
up to Brisbane or the Gold Coast and I got into
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.720
the green room to go meet Andrew and just walk
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.119
past everybody. And this guy just watched me
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:50.199
go past with his mouth open going, who the is
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.239
she? He just walks in and walks straight into
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.340
the green room. So he sees me come out and he
01:14:56.340 --> 01:14:59.779
follows me and comes over. And he literally tells
01:14:59.779 --> 01:15:02.840
me his story about Inexcess, which he retells
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:05.819
me again in the podcast. And he just lets it
01:15:05.819 --> 01:15:08.119
all out. And he starts crying. I've never seen
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:11.829
a man cry because he was so. in love with in
01:15:11.829 --> 01:15:15.390
excess and michael and this man's married he's
01:15:15.390 --> 01:15:17.850
got children he's not gay or anything but his
01:15:17.850 --> 01:15:21.430
episode will there's a lot of fans out there
01:15:21.430 --> 01:15:26.289
that can't go past michael they won't listen
01:15:26.289 --> 01:15:30.229
to anything you know and this episode with chris
01:15:30.229 --> 01:15:34.210
will help it will really help so if you're thinking
01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:37.710
why is everyone talking about in excess you know
01:15:37.710 --> 01:15:39.880
michael's passed away That's it. They shouldn't
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.619
be doing any more music. And I hate that. I hate
01:15:42.619 --> 01:15:45.760
that people think that. These guys were together
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.020
before even Michael. They were in different bands.
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:50.960
They were playing music when they were at school.
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.979
They were kids at 12. They all met when they
01:15:53.979 --> 01:15:56.060
were around about 12 years of age, you know.
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:58.199
They were grown men when Michael passed away.
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.920
And they just want to keep playing music. And
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.840
they were, like, coming up to their 70s now,
01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:06.760
you know. Yeah. So if there's one episode, I'd
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.619
say go listen to Chris. listen like fans yes
01:16:10.619 --> 01:16:14.539
because if you go on an excess forum and you
01:16:14.539 --> 01:16:19.920
even try to start talking about switch you will
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:25.340
get quite a divisive reaction oh yes there's
01:16:25.340 --> 01:16:27.960
a couple of triggers like paula is another one
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.300
if you talk about paula that's a misconception
01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:34.939
for me in fact Today I was at work and I had
01:16:34.939 --> 01:16:39.260
the lighting guy from KISS come to see me. Okay.
01:16:39.539 --> 01:16:44.199
Yeah, as you do. He used to do the lighting for
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.800
INXS and he brought me a load of magazines. And
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.899
when I say a load, a great big stack of magazines
01:16:50.899 --> 01:16:54.079
and newspaper cuttings that he had. And he goes,
01:16:54.180 --> 01:16:57.119
here's some more research for you, Bea. And the
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:01.060
one that fell open was an interview with Kim.
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:05.520
Oh, my gosh, her surname's just gone away from
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.180
me. But she was the last person in the room with
01:17:08.180 --> 01:17:12.439
Michael. Yes. Yeah? Yeah. And I just, I came
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.489
home. I made dinner, I sat and I read this article
01:17:15.489 --> 01:17:19.590
and it's everything I knew. So all these people
01:17:19.590 --> 01:17:22.329
that said Michael was going to leave Paula and
01:17:22.329 --> 01:17:24.949
she was trying to stay with him and she was trying
01:17:24.949 --> 01:17:27.609
to commit suicide, it's all bullshit because
01:17:27.609 --> 01:17:31.390
Kim says how much Michael, in the last couple
01:17:31.390 --> 01:17:33.970
of hours that they were together, he was saying
01:17:33.970 --> 01:17:37.689
how much he was in love with Paula and the family
01:17:37.689 --> 01:17:40.550
and the girls and he wanted his family there.
01:17:40.989 --> 01:17:43.989
And he was in a good mood. She actually thought
01:17:43.989 --> 01:17:47.170
that he was murdered. Yes, I've heard that before.
01:17:47.430 --> 01:17:51.130
And in case my video is showing to anybody watching,
01:17:51.390 --> 01:17:53.590
that was me just double checking because I thought,
01:17:53.630 --> 01:17:56.430
is that the actress Kim Wilson? That's it, Kim
01:17:56.430 --> 01:18:00.710
Wilson. Yes, Kim Wilson. Great article. So what
01:18:00.710 --> 01:18:02.470
I'm going to do is I'm going to take a photo
01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:06.369
of it. And put that into AI and AI will make
01:18:06.369 --> 01:18:09.109
it into text and then I'll release that for everybody
01:18:09.109 --> 01:18:13.130
because it's a great read, really is. And like
01:18:13.130 --> 01:18:15.350
I said, a lot of people just put a lot of blame
01:18:15.350 --> 01:18:17.789
on Paula and they shouldn't have been. It wasn't
01:18:17.789 --> 01:18:20.829
Paula's fault at all. It's awful. So, yes, so
01:18:20.829 --> 01:18:23.289
if you mention Paula, if you mention JD and you
01:18:23.289 --> 01:18:26.289
mention Switch, there's a lot of people that
01:18:26.289 --> 01:18:29.359
just can't handle it. That's true. And I'm sorry,
01:18:29.500 --> 01:18:31.819
there's some good songs on Switch. There is,
01:18:32.060 --> 01:18:36.539
yeah. Afterglow. Oh, yeah, Afterglow, yeah. Yeah,
01:18:36.619 --> 01:18:39.659
beautiful. And God's Top Ten. God's Top Ten,
01:18:39.779 --> 01:18:43.600
yeah. Yeah. There's one called Us by Gary Beers.
01:18:43.739 --> 01:18:46.779
I love that song. I really do think that's good.
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.340
And that makes me feel of the In Excess community
01:18:49.340 --> 01:18:53.960
really good. Well, they've all actually got songs
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:56.800
on there that they all wrote. together and apart,
01:18:56.939 --> 01:18:59.420
you know, for that album. It's a group written
01:18:59.420 --> 01:19:02.340
album in a way. There is one more album that
01:19:02.340 --> 01:19:04.439
we haven't spoken about. Well, there's actually
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:06.880
two because you've got... It's quite a few. Actually
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.880
three, yeah. We've got the first In Excess album,
01:19:10.100 --> 01:19:13.659
self -titled. Yeah. Underneath the Colours, the
01:19:13.659 --> 01:19:16.779
second album. I love that album. I think things
01:19:16.779 --> 01:19:20.359
like Stay Young on there and the title track
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:24.300
Underneath the Colours are amazing. Horizons.
01:19:24.909 --> 01:19:27.850
on there. I've got to say, Horizons is a really
01:19:27.850 --> 01:19:31.250
clever lyric. That's an amazing lyric because
01:19:31.250 --> 01:19:34.409
the verses, so the first one or two lines from
01:19:34.409 --> 01:19:37.109
each verse, this is where I noticed this and
01:19:37.109 --> 01:19:39.829
I'm sure you've noticed this as well. The chorus
01:19:39.829 --> 01:19:43.609
of Horizons is based on the first one or two
01:19:43.609 --> 01:19:47.449
words from each verse, which is really smart.
01:19:48.649 --> 01:19:51.130
Okay, I have to re -listen to that now. It's
01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:53.250
one of those albums that I don't listen to in
01:19:53.250 --> 01:19:56.050
full all the time, but then when you pick up
01:19:56.050 --> 01:19:58.350
a song, you're like, oh, yeah, Horizons is really
01:19:58.350 --> 01:20:02.149
good. I like Learn to Smile as well. Yes, I like
01:20:02.149 --> 01:20:05.710
that as well. And also Night of the Rebellion,
01:20:05.710 --> 01:20:10.720
the Kip and Gilly co -write on there. It was
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:14.039
funny when he was at the party and I hired a
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:17.119
tribute band to play, but I wanted it stripped
01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:19.539
back. So I just had the three guys. I had the
01:20:19.539 --> 01:20:23.420
guy playing saxophone and guitar and then vocalist
01:20:23.420 --> 01:20:28.500
and another guy on keyboards as well. And Kirk
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:37.180
would just go, I wrote this one. so good he was
01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:39.960
there before all of us you know it was so funny
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.239
because like I was like oh is he gonna turn up
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.760
I'm not I'm not all day I was like keeping it
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:48.539
to myself and was on the coach going from the
01:20:48.539 --> 01:20:52.300
hotel to the venue and I got a message say the
01:20:52.300 --> 01:20:55.760
alcohol has not arrived for the bar because I'd
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:59.239
got this like cocktail waiter oh my god so I
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:02.149
was there trying to work out all of that And
01:21:02.149 --> 01:21:04.229
everybody else had gone in. And by the time I
01:21:04.229 --> 01:21:06.409
got in, they were like, did you know that Kirk
01:21:06.409 --> 01:21:08.770
was going to be here? And he was there before
01:21:08.770 --> 01:21:11.569
everybody else. And he didn't leave till four
01:21:11.569 --> 01:21:13.670
o 'clock in the morning. We had to get him home.
01:21:14.510 --> 01:21:17.909
Yeah. So we've got the self -titled debut album,
01:21:18.050 --> 01:21:21.729
In Excess, which came after the single only We
01:21:21.729 --> 01:21:24.670
Are The Vegetables and Simple Simon. Yes. So
01:21:24.670 --> 01:21:26.909
you had that. Then you had the self -titled debut.
01:21:27.170 --> 01:21:29.229
Then there was Underneath The Colours, which
01:21:29.229 --> 01:21:33.149
is a really great new wave album, in my opinion.
01:21:33.189 --> 01:21:36.390
Then you've got Shabu Shubar, to me, one of their
01:21:36.390 --> 01:21:40.149
great albums. Yes. To me, which you've got The
01:21:40.149 --> 01:21:43.579
One Thing, Don't Change. Is that the first co
01:21:43.579 --> 01:21:45.739
-writers got with John there on there as well
01:21:45.739 --> 01:21:49.520
with Old World, New World? Oh, yes, yes. Good
01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.779
spotting. Yes. We spoke to John about that. He
01:21:52.779 --> 01:21:55.680
was very happy that that was spotted. Great lyrics,
01:21:55.699 --> 01:21:58.159
actually, if you listen to them. Yeah, really
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.479
good. Yeah. I remember them talking about on
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.180
a video that they were on about Shaboo Shoe Bar
01:22:04.180 --> 01:22:07.420
and they were saying that it was based on a saying
01:22:07.420 --> 01:22:10.159
that Tim had come up with. Or he kept saying
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.300
shaboo, shabar this, shaboo, shabar that. And
01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:14.199
they came up with a song with it. And I'm trying
01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:17.239
to think, what happened to that song? Yeah, I
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:18.819
know. That's another one that I want to speak
01:22:18.819 --> 01:22:21.039
to Tim about one day. I need to get him back
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.800
on. I haven't spoken to him properly for a while.
01:22:25.500 --> 01:22:28.439
But, yeah, I think it was, like you say, it was
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:32.720
more like shaboo, shabar, shaboo, shabar. It's
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.970
very clever, very clever. That's a great album
01:22:35.970 --> 01:22:38.270
as well. I love Shabu. Like I said, one of my
01:22:38.270 --> 01:22:41.189
favourites. Then after that, you've got The Swing,
01:22:41.210 --> 01:22:43.869
which I think everybody should buy every album
01:22:43.869 --> 01:22:46.250
by in excess. I'm not going to pick one out.
01:22:46.350 --> 01:22:50.270
Just buy the whole lot. Because that's got so
01:22:50.270 --> 01:22:53.689
many hits as well. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's
01:22:53.689 --> 01:22:59.130
11 studio albums, plus there is the album called
01:22:59.130 --> 01:23:02.489
Original Sin. Yes, of course. Yeah, where they
01:23:02.489 --> 01:23:06.109
got all the, like Rob Thomas joined them to do
01:23:06.109 --> 01:23:08.970
Song On There and then all these guest vocalists
01:23:08.970 --> 01:23:14.350
picked a song each to join NXS On. And one of
01:23:14.350 --> 01:23:17.470
them being Tricky. Yes, yeah. Which I thought
01:23:17.470 --> 01:23:20.689
was a great version of Mediate. I like that.
01:23:20.829 --> 01:23:25.109
But how can you go wrong having one of the originators
01:23:25.109 --> 01:23:29.569
of Massive Attack in Tricky? How can you go wrong
01:23:29.569 --> 01:23:32.529
with having him do media? I mean, that's like,
01:23:32.789 --> 01:23:35.909
that's the marriage that should have been for
01:23:35.909 --> 01:23:38.689
a long time. In excess, working with Massive
01:23:38.689 --> 01:23:41.390
Attack is one of those things to me as a fan
01:23:41.390 --> 01:23:44.409
of both that I think, oh, what could have been?
01:23:45.329 --> 01:23:48.210
Yeah, yeah. And Michael was a big fan of Massive
01:23:48.210 --> 01:23:51.310
Attack as well. I think looking at the band members
01:23:51.310 --> 01:23:53.869
individually, Kirk is very much into that side
01:23:53.869 --> 01:23:56.590
of the music as well. I find that Tim is the
01:23:56.590 --> 01:24:00.050
more funky guy. And then you've got the country
01:24:00.050 --> 01:24:05.189
in Andrew. And then the rock is Gary Beers, the
01:24:05.189 --> 01:24:07.930
bass player. And Gary Beers has got his new band
01:24:07.930 --> 01:24:11.609
called Ashen Moon. And I got to meet him and
01:24:11.609 --> 01:24:16.810
his frontman, Toby Rand, who ironically was on
01:24:16.810 --> 01:24:20.590
the next Rockstar in Excess. Right. Okay. Yeah.
01:24:20.649 --> 01:24:24.369
That's how they met. Wow. I did not know that.
01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:28.979
I know. And they've got some great songs, Mosquito
01:24:28.979 --> 01:24:32.600
and Dust Bowl and some really beautiful Stargazer.
01:24:33.380 --> 01:24:37.060
I've been listening to Ash and Moon quite a lot
01:24:37.060 --> 01:24:39.859
lately. So that's quite a new band, really. Yeah.
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.680
And because of Gary's involvement with Ash and
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:48.199
Moon as a writer as well or co -writer, I think
01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:51.250
that pushes the rock edge. into their material
01:24:51.250 --> 01:24:54.750
as well. Fantastic, that is. Going to that that
01:24:54.750 --> 01:24:57.590
you said with Kirk, I can see what you mean,
01:24:57.670 --> 01:25:00.510
and this is going deep, deep, deep dive here
01:25:00.510 --> 01:25:03.890
with this, but you can sort of see Kirk's interest
01:25:03.890 --> 01:25:07.449
in the experimental music. If you look at some
01:25:07.449 --> 01:25:09.829
of the bits that he did, like prehistory and
01:25:09.829 --> 01:25:13.430
things like that, you can actually see Kirk's
01:25:13.430 --> 01:25:18.220
interest in that side of music. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:18.340 --> 01:25:20.579
And to look at you as well, I think he had a
01:25:20.579 --> 01:25:22.840
big hand in that. And that's a very interesting
01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:25.100
song, isn't it, when you listen to that one,
01:25:25.180 --> 01:25:28.960
which Mark Opitz got to produce. Like you say,
01:25:29.060 --> 01:25:32.619
it's a lot more experimental with Kirk. It would
01:25:32.619 --> 01:25:36.060
have been wonderful to him to do music by himself.
01:25:36.979 --> 01:25:40.739
You know, this man, like, he's an incredible...
01:25:40.739 --> 01:25:44.500
But when you meet him... You wouldn't think he's
01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:47.560
a rock star, honestly. He's just the most kindest,
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.260
sweetest man you could ever meet. So kind. I
01:25:51.260 --> 01:25:53.979
met his daughter and she's just a chip off the
01:25:53.979 --> 01:25:57.859
old block. Just as beautiful and kind. And yet.
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:02.680
This guy can pick up an instrument, the saxophone.
01:26:02.739 --> 01:26:05.039
I'm not sure if he can play drums, but he can
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:08.680
sing and plays all the rhythm. And when you look,
01:26:08.739 --> 01:26:10.960
he's actually playing more of the guitar than
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.899
anybody. Like you think that Tim's playing the
01:26:13.899 --> 01:26:17.079
lead, but actually a lot of the lead is coming
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:20.979
from Kirk too. Yeah. That's what works with.
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:23.520
in excess as well is the fact that you've got
01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.220
the three of them with the guitars, Tim, Kirk
01:26:27.220 --> 01:26:30.119
and Andrew, and they've got these different approaches
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:34.039
to guitar. But that's what gives in excess this
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.579
sort of sound that I don't think anybody else
01:26:36.579 --> 01:26:38.659
could have because you've got these three different
01:26:38.659 --> 01:26:43.539
styles merging together wonderfully. Yes. It's
01:26:43.539 --> 01:26:47.239
just, well, we say that you just can't fit them
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:51.039
as a genre. Okay, when Kit came out, they went
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.579
into pop, yeah? Yeah. But before that, like you
01:26:54.579 --> 01:26:56.899
mentioned earlier, you know, there was a lot
01:26:56.899 --> 01:26:59.500
of new wave. There was a lot of scar in there.
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:03.720
There was a lot of madness. I can hear that in
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:05.840
some of their songs as well. Jumping. And then
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.819
Roxy Music, yeah, there's a bit of that as well.
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.640
And then the fact that a lot of their songs are
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:16.159
sexy, romantic, you know, and then it was then.
01:27:16.810 --> 01:27:19.710
You've got that experimental flow coming through
01:27:19.710 --> 01:27:23.029
it as well. And then if you really listen deeply,
01:27:23.390 --> 01:27:25.670
there's a bit of twang of the country in there
01:27:25.670 --> 01:27:29.829
as well. As you can see, I can talk about In
01:27:29.829 --> 01:27:37.170
Excess for a long, long time. But unfortunately,
01:27:37.369 --> 01:27:39.810
we're going to have to do the finishing parts
01:27:39.810 --> 01:27:42.510
of this. And I hate that we're doing this because
01:27:42.510 --> 01:27:44.539
I've got another recording to do shortly. I was
01:27:44.539 --> 01:27:46.060
going to say we have to cut it short because
01:27:46.060 --> 01:27:49.460
you're busy. Now, after all of these years, the
01:27:49.460 --> 01:27:52.020
lessons that you've learnt doing podcasting,
01:27:52.020 --> 01:27:54.939
what would you say is the number one advice that
01:27:54.939 --> 01:27:58.380
you would give to somebody about going into podcasting?
01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:03.420
Don't worry. Just be as authentic as you can.
01:28:03.619 --> 01:28:07.649
I think we all, at the beginning... I wanted
01:28:07.649 --> 01:28:10.909
it to be quite polished. I wanted it to be like
01:28:10.909 --> 01:28:13.989
the best. I wanted everything to run right. I
01:28:13.989 --> 01:28:16.970
think listening to the fans, they love the fact
01:28:16.970 --> 01:28:19.449
that you fluff up. They like that engagement.
01:28:20.010 --> 01:28:22.649
So I don't think you should beat yourself up
01:28:22.649 --> 01:28:25.670
about things. We're so lucky now that we've got
01:28:25.670 --> 01:28:28.149
the tools that can enhance our voice so we can
01:28:28.149 --> 01:28:32.430
sound more radio anyway. So I don't have as much
01:28:32.430 --> 01:28:34.489
equipment as I probably did before, and I was
01:28:34.489 --> 01:28:36.630
like, oh, I need this, I need that. You don't.
01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:39.659
I've actually got some AI glasses now that I
01:28:39.659 --> 01:28:42.600
use as well. Okay. And through my AI, yeah, they're
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.260
pretty good. Through AI, you can do it, and if
01:28:45.260 --> 01:28:47.260
it's using your phone, it's the only thing that
01:28:47.260 --> 01:28:49.819
has to be through your phone, that's your microphone
01:28:49.819 --> 01:28:52.399
and your headphones all in one, and it's using
01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:56.539
bone conduction. So, yeah, the little tools like
01:28:56.539 --> 01:29:00.119
that that I actually like using are quite techy.
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:04.960
Artificial intelligence to help not to do the
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:09.989
whole job for you. No, definitely not. No. No,
01:29:10.109 --> 01:29:14.189
I don't know about yourself, but I cannot allow
01:29:14.189 --> 01:29:19.789
anyone to edit my shows. Not AI. I did it. I
01:29:19.789 --> 01:29:23.680
tried it. And I didn't continue with it. Like
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.340
I tried it, but I never used it. That's the word.
01:29:26.460 --> 01:29:29.199
So I let the AI do it. And you're like, no, it
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.840
just takes the guts out. That's the word. The
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.699
guts go. You need the ums and the ahs in there.
01:29:36.819 --> 01:29:40.359
It needs to feel real. I'm a coma. I go right
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.979
from the beginning. I listen. I close my eyes
01:29:43.979 --> 01:29:47.020
and I really listen to it. And I want it to be
01:29:47.020 --> 01:29:50.500
enjoyable for them. So yeah, I'm pretty hands
01:29:50.500 --> 01:29:53.750
-on with all my editing. Yeah, when I started
01:29:53.750 --> 01:29:57.489
originally, I realised, but not for a long time,
01:29:57.689 --> 01:30:02.569
I was over -editing to get rid of those. And
01:30:02.569 --> 01:30:05.949
then it came to the stage where, listening back,
01:30:06.409 --> 01:30:10.229
I was thinking that it sounds unnatural. It doesn't
01:30:10.229 --> 01:30:12.670
actually sound like yourself if you do that.
01:30:12.829 --> 01:30:14.750
And that's what you're listening for, because
01:30:14.750 --> 01:30:17.750
you want to hear a conversation. between people
01:30:17.750 --> 01:30:20.789
and in a natural conversation you will get ums
01:30:20.789 --> 01:30:22.550
and ahs while people are thinking about what
01:30:22.550 --> 01:30:24.430
the next bit they're going to come up with is
01:30:24.430 --> 01:30:28.789
so losing those to that sort of degree makes
01:30:28.789 --> 01:30:33.569
it almost mechanical yeah bless hayden he was
01:30:33.569 --> 01:30:38.250
a bit of a uh you know and and and he's a bit
01:30:38.250 --> 01:30:44.119
so that was um that was quite painful to take
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:47.439
those out. So I did use the AI a lot for that,
01:30:47.460 --> 01:30:50.319
and that worked for a while. But I must admit,
01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:54.939
with the Listen Like fans and the guests that
01:30:54.939 --> 01:30:57.279
I've had on, a lot of them have been friends,
01:30:57.399 --> 01:31:01.029
and so they're relaxed. And I think relaxing
01:31:01.029 --> 01:31:04.170
your guest before coming on and having a little
01:31:04.170 --> 01:31:06.989
chat, not together, but just beforehand, you
01:31:06.989 --> 01:31:10.390
know, through a text or even and getting to know
01:31:10.390 --> 01:31:12.470
them a little bit and just making them feel that,
01:31:12.489 --> 01:31:14.529
you know, it's okay. You're going to be looked
01:31:14.529 --> 01:31:16.710
after. You just need to do this and that. And
01:31:16.710 --> 01:31:20.630
you get that nervousness is gone. It's gone.
01:31:20.850 --> 01:31:24.210
Yeah. Absolutely. I like that to really encourage
01:31:24.210 --> 01:31:27.859
the person to be themselves then. Yeah, I mean,
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:31.979
I don't start or try not to start recording until
01:31:31.979 --> 01:31:34.399
there's been a bit of back and forth between
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.739
me and the guest on a show. So there's that back
01:31:37.739 --> 01:31:40.039
and forth there. So you're comfortable with each
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:43.220
other before I press record on whatever it is
01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:47.000
I'm recording on. It just makes it easier than
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:52.739
a cold open, really. But I love it. I can't keep
01:31:52.739 --> 01:31:55.840
away from podcasting. I've actually got a big
01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:01.319
bug for it now. I always wanted to be Annie Nightingale.
01:32:01.420 --> 01:32:04.659
I used to love Annie Nightingale when I was a
01:32:04.659 --> 01:32:09.630
kid. I used to, oh, God, I really want to be
01:32:09.630 --> 01:32:13.510
Annie when I grow up. And I didn't know how I
01:32:13.510 --> 01:32:15.029
was going to do it because I was going to be
01:32:15.029 --> 01:32:16.689
a beauty therapist. I was at beauty college.
01:32:16.710 --> 01:32:19.930
And that's what you do, isn't it? You set your
01:32:19.930 --> 01:32:23.670
course and that's it. And now I'm here. I'm doing
01:32:23.670 --> 01:32:26.189
this. And I'm just absolutely loving it. I do
01:32:26.189 --> 01:32:30.670
want to break out into more music. And, yeah,
01:32:30.909 --> 01:32:34.100
we'll see how it goes, really. What podcast do
01:32:34.100 --> 01:32:36.659
you like to listen to if you've got the time
01:32:36.659 --> 01:32:41.819
to? Oh, I must admit, I don't really have a lot
01:32:41.819 --> 01:32:47.000
of time. While we were doing the getting in excess
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:49.699
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, we were
01:32:49.699 --> 01:32:52.560
on a lot of podcasts. So I was listening to a
01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:56.380
lot of their stuff as well. So there's one called
01:32:56.380 --> 01:33:01.880
Rock in retrospect. They're very good. And then
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:04.699
who cares about the rock and roll? They are awesome.
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.840
So I like listening to those guys too. Both of
01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:11.479
those are American. And yeah, that's about it
01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:15.119
really. Sorry. I don't feel that I'm very good
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:17.779
for the community to say that I listen. Perhaps
01:33:17.779 --> 01:33:19.899
I need to know more. Who would you recommend?
01:33:20.340 --> 01:33:23.340
Do you know what? Because of the Australian side
01:33:23.340 --> 01:33:26.420
of this. I'm going to say to people that there
01:33:26.420 --> 01:33:29.539
was a really nice limited series that came out
01:33:29.539 --> 01:33:33.399
last year where a, I'm going to feel really awful
01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:35.460
because I can't remember the name of the Australian
01:33:35.460 --> 01:33:40.680
journalist, but he interviewed Harry Vander,
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:45.060
the record producer and the man, the easy beats
01:33:45.060 --> 01:33:48.539
and, and all these other things as well. And
01:33:48.539 --> 01:33:54.409
that. is a fascinating limited series where he's
01:33:54.409 --> 01:33:58.689
discussing Harry's work with George Young, those
01:33:58.689 --> 01:34:00.529
sorts of things. We're getting back to the Ted
01:34:00.529 --> 01:34:02.130
Albert there, aren't we? Because they were the
01:34:02.130 --> 01:34:05.229
big people at Albert Productions. Yeah, well,
01:34:05.270 --> 01:34:07.430
Mark Hopitz worked under them as well, didn't
01:34:07.430 --> 01:34:11.229
he? Mark was a sound engineer for Banner and
01:34:11.229 --> 01:34:15.789
Young. That is fascinating. So I think that people
01:34:15.789 --> 01:34:18.609
need to go and listen to that to hear about somebody
01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:25.250
who is a very important, I think, part of not
01:34:25.250 --> 01:34:29.109
just Australian music history, but of popular
01:34:29.109 --> 01:34:33.369
music history and music history as a whole, because
01:34:33.369 --> 01:34:37.510
they were huge. OK, well, I'll listen to that,
01:34:37.569 --> 01:34:40.050
but you'll have to send me the link or put the
01:34:40.050 --> 01:34:42.069
link in the description for us to listen to.
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.739
OK, I'll try and remember to do that. I better
01:34:46.739 --> 01:34:49.020
let you go. I don't want to make you late for
01:34:49.020 --> 01:34:53.579
your business meeting. I know. Yes. Speaking
01:34:53.579 --> 01:34:56.939
to podcasters, that's fine. Speaking to people
01:34:56.939 --> 01:35:00.460
about business, that's different entirely. That
01:35:00.460 --> 01:35:03.220
really is. Thank you for speaking with me today.
01:35:03.340 --> 01:35:06.199
How can people get hold of the show and get in
01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:09.180
touch with you if you want them to? okay well
01:35:09.180 --> 01:35:12.479
the best place is our website which is in excess
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.960
access all areas .com and you'll find all the
01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:18.119
podcasts on there and many other things there's
01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:20.880
little scripts on each of the band members too
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:23.579
if you don't want to go on there you we can find
01:35:23.579 --> 01:35:26.399
listen like fans on spotify and all the majors
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:30.079
Access All Areas actually got taken down off
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.520
Spotify, unfortunately. And that was because
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.680
Tim Ferriss, the guitarist, he brought out some
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:40.020
new music and Spotify didn't like me playing
01:35:40.020 --> 01:35:43.220
that. So they took me off. So that was a bit
01:35:43.220 --> 01:35:46.039
of a shame. But if you want to listen to In Excess,
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:49.180
Access All Areas, you'll find that on Podbeam.
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:52.659
Yes. Thank you for speaking with me today. It's
01:35:52.659 --> 01:35:55.880
been fun. And you too. You take care. Have a
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:59.630
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