#108 - Poltergeist Part I

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Hey Ken.
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Hey man, we're back! Yeah, so we're back and we're ready for another fantastic episode.
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I think they're all fantastic, but I'll hold out the here till I hear it first.
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No.
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Well, you know.
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They're all fantastic.
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I just it's been such a crazy five months, and we have so many things to catch up about.
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Are you still playing Starfield?
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So not only was there hiatus from um the podcast, there was a hiatus from Starfield.
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Oh.
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I went through a withdrawal, I was in treatment center, I was all that because of I purely addicted.
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Oh yeah.
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Uh well no, so I had a mate, my first character playthrough.
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I uh somehow got a corrupted file and I couldn't get the game to is that again, or that's what happened.
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That's what happened, and I couldn't get it.
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So that and then my wife and I moved to Simi Valley, and you know, things just kind of got put on the back burner.
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Yeah.
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But then I finally got hooked up and then I started a new player, and then had to do some things, but I finally am back into it.
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I'm in my second uh playthrough of with this character for you know, I'm in my second dimension, you know, like in G Plus.
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Alright, very cool.
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And I'm doing good.
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I was actually up till about one o'clock in the morning last night or this morning.
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Yeah.
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Playing Starfield again.
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Ooh.
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Yeah.
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Very cool.
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Yeah.
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I'm getting hooked once more.
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Yeah, I'm good.
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Um how about you?
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Uh I you know what?
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I I do, and I want to give a shout out to a game company that I've been playing recently.
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It's actually really fun.
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Um, so technically this is a small free advertisement for them, but you know what?
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The second one's gonna cost you.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I've been playing a game called Rebo on the PC, on Steam.
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Okay.
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Um basically you're just little kind of like robots, and you go into this house and you steal stuff, and then you have to avoid monsters and you have to like coordinate with your group and oh monsters are the anti-theft system for that.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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There's actually a little story to it if you if you play it long enough, but no, it is a really fun game, and we've been playing it for a couple of months.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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And what is it called?
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Repo.
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R-E-O.
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Oh, like a repo man.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Um so are they actually thieves or are they repoing things that are getting uh repossessed?
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You play like little kind of Android robots.
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They're kind of they're weird, they're not really human.
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They're like yeah, and like you have to you have to steal stuff and make sure the tax man gets his money.
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Uh, and then you know it's always always the man holding down the robot.
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Um other than that, I've um I've I I've been I've been selling drugs.
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What?
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In video games.
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Oh yeah.
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Um a game called Schedule One.
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You know what?
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We were we were bored one night and we're like, hey, let's check out this game, see what's up.
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Alright.
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So we start off, you sell you sell some um some marijuana, and then after a while you get into hard drugs.
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You know, it's it's a it's a good time management game, really, about resources and stuff like that.
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So you're learning how to balance the checkbook by selling drugs on a video game.
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Yes.
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Yeah, okay.
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Got it.
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It's really fun.
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We you know, we we like to uh play a lot of games.
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So all those digital people's lives are ruined just for you to have fun.
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Got it.
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Hey, you know you do what you gotta do.
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Do what you gotta do.
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So um yeah, so like I was saying in in our first episode, like I've just been paying uh playing a lot of well, sorry, paying more attention to uh writing and stuff like that.
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Good.
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Um yeah, so I've I've had some small life changes myself, we won't get into right now, but um it's given me the opportunity to really kind of write a bit better and stuff like that.
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So our first episode back you were talking about the book that you wrote, I actually started writing again.
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Yeah.
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Back again now that I got a place.
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I actually got a little man cave now with the place where I've got to do it.
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I can go in and write without being distracted because before we uh the place we were in for like 20 years, yeah, it wasn't really a place that I could really just sit down and not be distracted by something outside or something in the house or a pub or something, you know.
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Yeah.
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But uh I've been writing this story for a while now.
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I hated to see how when the last save date was or the first save date was when I first started it, but it's called uh something weird in the holler.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah.
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And so uh it's has to do it has to do with the aliens.
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Aliens?
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Yeah.
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So uh I got to writing on that again, so I was enjoying it.
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So when you when you're writing your books or whatever, do you ever like throw in like I don't know, like say a character's reading something in a newspaper?
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Do they want newspapers anymore?
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Or or or like the internet, he's on the internet or something like that, and he's looking up like aliens out of company or something, you know?
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Oh, throw it out.
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No, I'm not.
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I'm never thinking of stuff like that, you know.
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It's uh to me that seems a little cheap.
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Yeah, it's I I like it's it's kind of like references, you know what I mean.
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I love I'm a big fan of references and stuff like that.
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No, I mean I mean I've used things like he picked up I I had wrote a story where the guy had to debate whether he was actually gonna buy a soda because he won he was a coke drinker and all he had was Pepsi or something like that.
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And all he had.
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I really don't throw in, yeah.
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I really don't throw in too many references unless it's really essential to the story.
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Well that's that is true.
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That is true.
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You can't have like a zombie of pop poops and suddenly he's like, you know, read a newspaper from or or like listen to Phantom Jordan's podcast because Well we I'd like to think we were still uh podcasting during the uh zombie weird.
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Um that's interviewing the zombie.
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How was your day?
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I I so I I I understand you like brains.
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Uh what is about the brains that you like?
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Brains.
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Really?
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Really?
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I never knew that.
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Amount of amount of short words.
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I think we can do it.
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Amount of not many words.
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So, Ken, we're jumping into the episode.
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Because it's freaking hot.
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It is starting to warm up a little bit.
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It's in the studio's not too bad, but you walk outside, it's like it's like we live have moved to Hades.
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That's true.
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Plus, we're we're surrounded by friends.
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I mean, not the kind of fans we we do want to be surrounded by, but we do have plenty of air flowing fans in this room.
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We want to hear about it.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And you might be on the show.
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So sit back.
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Enjoy.
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If I sit back, I can't reach the mic.
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Oh, for them.
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For them.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sit back.
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You're live to yourself.
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A nice uh beverage, maybe.
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Uh, something like that, you know.
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We're gonna go to a quick ad break, and when we come back, we will start the episode.
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I thought we started the episode.
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I mean the actual episode, not just us waffling on about our lives.
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I thought whenever I talk into this thing, I was uh starting an episode.
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This is live, and we're just live right now, and the whole world can hear you right now.
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No, it can't.
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All of a sudden got might shy.
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The whole world?
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The whole world?
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Oh no!
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Alrighty.
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Go on to break.
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Um we're back.
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We're back.
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We're back?
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We're back.
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Okay.
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Like Ghostbusters 2.
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We're back.
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We're back.
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I don't know if they could actually get the statuary walk, but it was a fun movie.
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Yeah.
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I mean it had special magic move.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I mean, there is that special goo.
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You know, makes it.
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Anyways, let's move on.
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Ken, if there's one thing I love more than anything in the paranormal realm, is the well yeah.
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I mean, you know, you got a Euro shit.
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Okay, sorry.
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They only move the headstones, man.
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The name itself comes from German folklore, which can be described as the rumbling ghost or annoising ghost.
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I've got a rumbling in my tumbling.
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I was gonna say I've been in the studio when we found a poltergeist there.
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Yes, that is very true.
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You know what, actually, before I get into this episode, I know this is really bad just to kind of cut my cut off my script right here, but uh I have been seeing shit lately.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, like really fucking weird shit in this house.
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Okay, okay.
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So a couple of days ago.
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In the studio.
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No.
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Actually, yes, but also in this house.
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In the studio.
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Okay, the house is the studio is in the house.
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Sorry, not the house.
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The house is in the studio, right?
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Anyway, anyway, so the studio moved from the garage to an actual room in the house.
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Exactly.
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We're moving up in the world, quite literally.
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Second floor.
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Second floor.
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I was at my fridge, and okay, but before we go into that, you had mentioned a couple of things in the past.
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So you're saying that the activity is amped and it's more active?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Because we were on an episode once, yeah, and you saw a shadow figure right here sitting right next to you for a minute.
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And it was a couple of a couple of months ago I seen a woman walk from my um laundry room straight down the hall.
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And I thought it was Kim.
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And I asked her.
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I asked her, I was like, hey, where are you?
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She was, I'm I'm I'm in another room.
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I was like, okay, did you just walk down the hallway?
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No.
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And I seen she had like a pair of like what would look like 80s style kind of like sweatpants.
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Okay.
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Like workout pants kind of thing.
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And that's what it was like warmers?
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Yeah, kind of thing.
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Nice.
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I love this style of the 80s.
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Hello.
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It was like that portable with the the yellow squeaky lines on it.
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Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
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It's just really weird.
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But that was ages ago.
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Wasn't really paying attention.
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But you saw something in the kitchen.
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So I was in the kitchen and I seen I I was near like my fridge and my toast was kind of near each other.
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I was making toast.
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And I seen like someone behind me.
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Were you putting butter on the toast?
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No.
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No.
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You're just making toast.
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Just toast.
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Just dry toast.
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Well, I was gonna put jam on it.
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With no butter?
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Yeah.
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I I used to put a lot of butter on my toast in Oil, but I don't do it here.
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I don't know why.
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Something in the crossing the ocean.
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I don't like or I don't like American boar.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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It's it's weird.
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Anyway, you saw something.
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It's like this fella has like fucking edges.
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Yes.
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ADHD Ken.
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That's what new name.
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What are we talking about?
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I was in the kitchen at a toaster, and I seen someone behind me, and I went to turn around and see who it was, and there was no one there.
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It was but I seen like you know, in your peripheral, you see someone walk by, it's like a black shadow.
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And then I was walking.
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I think I was walking into my room.
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The studio and I seen a shadow behind me, and I turned around thinking it was you know or whatever, and she wasn't there.
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It was nothing there.
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I was like, whatever.
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Last night I was in bed and I was talking and I seen a black shape move this way, like like towards the the computer from like here.
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Okay.
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And I was like, what the fuck was that?
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You're not saying.
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Huh.
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I don't know.
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It's happening a lot more often though.
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So okay, so I'm not and this is not a distraction from from your experiences, but a lot of distractors, a lot of people that are skeptical say, well, you're under a lot of stress, you're just imagining it.
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That's true.
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I that could be a possibility.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I will not rule that out.
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Well, I mean, I'm not discounting your experience.
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I'm just saying that's what people some people might be listening would say.
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Well, you know what?
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I it could be a thing.
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Have you noticed anything like moving on its own?
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Or no, no?
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No, no, it's always black shadows.
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Okay, and so prior to activity increasing, did you notice these same people occasionally in the past?
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I mean, we haven't seen that the head in the garage now.
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Okay.
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The the the shadow thing in the garage.
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Other than that, no.
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Who knows?
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These ones are moving.
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Oh, the other the they're like walking or or moving.
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Do you hear footsteps?
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Do you hear like that's what you're kind of like, uh-uh.
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What the fuck?
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Because when you were mentioning the around the toaster, the you felt like some I've had that happen before.
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And I actually when you said that, I actually forgot about this, but there was this one time I was uh at work, not where I currently work now, but at a different place.
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And um I've mentioned this place on previous episodes where the it was um where the uh the mimic or the uh trickster ghost would take the form of me and some other people that worked there that same place.
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When you mentioned that, it reminded me of an up uh an experience that I hadn't even thought about in a long time, but I was standing at a counter and realized there's a shadow being cast onto the of a like a human-shaped shadow was being cast onto the counter from behind me, and I wasn't blocking the shadow.
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Right.
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But then you turn around and it's like nothing there, and uh the the light wasn't just right, but there was uh the light when Navima cast a shadow in that way, but there was a human-shaped shadow hitting the counter in front of me, and then you're like, okay, that creeped me out.
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And I forgot about that one until you mention it.
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It's like, oh wow, yeah, it's like what happened to me.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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I don't know what it is, it's so weird.
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Hmm.
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Anyways, that's what better place to have a Phantom Journeys podcast than a haunted studio.
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The haunted studio, the haunted studio one day, paranormal investigators will come here and want to investigate the studio while they're being guests, yes.
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No, but you want to be careful because you know this that what you never want to ex to investigate your own home.
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That's true.
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Yeah, there's certain things that because you've got to stay there.
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It's not like you and the and certain things that you come across or come, you know, find out, you're like, I was better off not knowing that.
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Yeah, or steering that up.
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So let's get into this episode real quick.
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Um that's what we said about an hour ago.
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I know.
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Let's get into this real quick.
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So most ghosts are visual.
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The sight of a floating personally was just talking about, or a face popping out of a doorway would would frighten you if you saw it, right?
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Yes.
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The poltergeist is something unique, and to me personally, when it comes to the scare factor, at first it plays with your imagination.
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Like, did you did I just see that?
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Exactly.
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Right?
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And if it happens again, then it's the same kind of scare factor.
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A normal ghost or or repeating floating vapor, as Dr.
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Ray Stance would say.
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Um, you could be sitting there and suddenly feel something biting you or or hitting you or poking you, even tripping you.
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I've I felt I felt things touch me before that weren't there.
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And you start wondering, like, okay, maybe I just moved my shirt.
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Yeah, well, that's something.
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Yeah, that that is a possibility because but then there are other times, like, no, something just grabbed my shoulder.
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Well, yeah, no, the gr the grabbing or or whatever is good, but you gotta remember that like you'll have muscle spasms randomly as well.
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Yeah, like especially when you're in especially when you're in a situation where you're kind of jumpy to be.
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Yeah, I mean there's a big difference between feeling a hand like or a pressure on your shoulder or a finger poking you, then there's like you know the difference between a spasm and a right yeah.
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It's hope it's a finger, but you know not not to take away from the episode, but you may you made me think that also that I've always been told um by people that I have this energy about me that and I've always felt like I've I've attracted spirits.
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Yeah, and there'd be times where like, oh, such and such is is is hanging out real around me just to find out that it's a family member that passed a week ago and we didn't know it until that point.
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Right, true.
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So I've had that happen where oh such and such has passed, and then no, no, no, they're fine, and they'll find out that they have.
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Yeah.
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So I've always felt like there there's times in my life where I've had spirits that hang with me for a while before before they go somewhere or move on or whatever.
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I don't know.
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True.
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There was one time, I kid you not, for about three to four months.
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I felt like I had a constant someone holding my left hand.
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And it was it no, it's happened, it's been probably about ten years ago.
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Oh, I was gonna say like it was between like the we didn't record and you just missed me a lot.
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Well not that we're like that.
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We don't hold hands to begin with, but uh I just realized I was like, hang on a second, what?
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Um but it was a time where I was going through a lot of stress.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So you felt like I felt like somebody was there to just like being with you to comfort me.
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Yeah, but then it was about three or four months.
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Yeah, and it really felt like and it wasn't like holding my hand like yeah, palm to palm.
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It felt like a hand over the back of my hand holding me like just just be just be there, just be I'm with ya.
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You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know how else to explain it.
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Well, that is possible.
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That is very possible.
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But anyway.
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A lot of things can become like like foul smells, spontaneous fires, or electrical issues, such as flickering lights, can also be attributed to apoltergoist activity.
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So basically, Los Angeles has a poltergoist in someone.
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I was gonna be spotted.
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I was gonna say there must be a polygonist in my garage because I got an electrician coming in to fix it.
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And now you cannot blame a poltergoist if you fire and down on it.
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What are you looking at me for?
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Because there's no one else in this room.
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That you can see.
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That I can see.
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That you can see.
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The issue comes when the activity.
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We need to start selling tickets then.
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We do.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Come see the magical polygons.
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Oh no, just come just come see uh the Phantom Journeys podcast and we start charging the the ghosties tickets.
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That's true, that is true.
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Oh geez, yeah.
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Well, what would they pay with their soul?
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Ghost ghostly money.
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Ghostly money?
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Yeah.
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Ghost money, is that the stuff from Japan that you're born?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Is it Japan or sorry?
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It's probably China, actually, completely.
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Somewhere over there.
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Yeah.
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Um so the issue comes when the activity becomes a problem for you or other people in your environment.
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Some families live in the same environment as a ghost, knowing the strange things happen but can't fully prove it or try to explain it.
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It's when the strange things affect people outside of your home that cases start to pop up.
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When neighbors call the police to complain about flickering lights, strange noises, smells, and things that move on their own when the people that they know are not at home.
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Yeah.
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Like they think they have a burglar and it's really got it.
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So we're going to be looking into the Enfield poltergoist between this episode and the next one.
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Because the Enfield Poltergoist case is a strange one by far.
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But I want to investigate other reported cases from around the world first.
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Okay.
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So we're going to be going to Germany.
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For this for the force one.
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I think they're the ones that came up with the name Belcher Guy, Stephen.
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That's true, there you go.
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Oh, you see ghosts.
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I may butcher the name of this, and I do apologize.
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Bingen and Rhine is a small port town in the Ryland Palace state of southwestern Germany during the 9th century.
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Wow, that's a long time ago.
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Yeah.
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That would that be 800?
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Yes.
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It's always an extra hundred years ago.
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Yeah, because right now we're in the 21st century and it's only the 20th.
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Yeah.
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So according to the chronicles of the An Annals of Fulda, which are basically historical records from medieval Germany, work written by churchmen and combined for the history books.
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Most records would tell of wars and political changes, deaths of leaders and kings, famines, storms, and unnatural events, religious matters, omens, miracles, and demonic activity.
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Well, you know, you gotta throw in that throw in the demonic activity, or you don't have a cellar.
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It's like the clincher, the thing to get your you to get your uh medieval historical documents sold.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Reports recorded that an evil spirit tormented a village near Bingen by throwing stones at houses and people, striking walls like hammers, voices revealing secrets such as missing people or objects.
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Hey buddy.
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You want to know a secret?
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Who said that?
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Yeah.
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Like hey, there's a body in your house.
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There's a buddy in the house.
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I put it there.
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Who said that?
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Yeah.
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So you would hear people arguing more than usual and causing fires where um wherever a certain person had come from.
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So like, you know, Steve was walking home from the church and suddenly there's a fire in the church.
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Like, everyone's gonna blame Steve.
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Yeah, I mean especially in the 8th century.
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You don't blame electrical issues back then.
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No.
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It's either Steve or demonic activity.
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That's true, that is true.
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I wonder, can you say no?
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It was a demon.
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The devil made me do it.
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Wouldn't people just believe it?
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The devil made me do it.
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Then they'd sit they they'd put him in that chair and s and drown him in the river for being uh possessed.
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Yeah.
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Steve, just don't set the fire.
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Who started the fire?
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It was Steve.
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It was Steve.
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That's it.
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Just Steve.
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It was Steve.
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Um so a man and his wife had to flee the village after being accused of starting a fire.
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The villagers summoned the priest and uh the deacons from Minz who arrived carrying crosses and religious relics.
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As they do back then.
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Right, yes.
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I just imagine seeing this like priest walking with a huge cross.
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What if we forget when you said that I imagine calling the priest and inviting him over for dinner?
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Yeah.
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And then here it's this whole procession, him coming down the street, carrying the big cross, and then you know these this band.
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Like, uh.
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Really?
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Do we really have to have the priest over again?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So during the attempted exorcism, the chronicler explained that stones continued to fly and injured several people approaching one of the affected houses.
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The disturbances were said to have continued for approximately three years, ending only after the fires destroyed much of the settlement.
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Well, some but some little angry ghost was angry people.
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The people involved would not have used the word poltergeist.
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The chronicler interpreted the disturbance through the medieval Christian worldview and described the case as an evil or apostate spirit.
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However, the reported combination of unexplained knocking, drawing stones, voices, fires, physical attacks, and the uh activity affecting the community closely resembles what later generations will classify as potterized phenomena.
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.519
Yeah.
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There's two guys with ADHD on podcasts, probably not greater there.
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Actually, there's another podcast that actually plays the music every time they say the word phenomena.
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Yeah.
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We can't use that now because they do it.
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Yeah.
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We didn't steal it, it just sounded like something, you know.
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:29.039
Um which is you I thought you said it was just a video game.
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:29.599
What?
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:30.480
Your drugs.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know, right?
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I gotta get in this zone, man.
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Um it's actually stuffy as crap up here.
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That's the downside.
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Um, which is very interesting if you have somewhat of an idea of as to why this might happen.
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I don't want to build anticipation, but I'm trying to bring some structure to this episode.
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That's the last thing we have right now, I know, right?
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I just wanted a cool story to kick us off with.
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The first Halter Guy story was not about a frightened teenager in a suburban home.
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It was about an entire medieval village being slowly torn against itself by stones, voices, accusations, and fire.
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And fire fire.
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Fire.
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Fire.
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The next story brings us to England in 1661, the drummer of Tedworth.
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:25.759
Ooh.
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In 1661.
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How come we don't have titles like that anymore?
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What?
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Like this guy's known the drummer of Tedworth, whereas I could I want to be known as Ken Ken the let's see.
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.000
I don't know what I want to be known for.
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That's why I don't have a title.
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.079
Okay, I answered my own question.
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You'd be the writer of Chatworth.
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Ooh.
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Wouldn't you?
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The podcaster of Chatworth.
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Okay.
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Um you'd be the okay.
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So for those of you that don't know, my normal day job is uh I work for a company that makes sex toys, so I guess I would be the slinger of dildos.
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.160
Okay.
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Anywho, these uh we'll move on from that one.
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Ken Smith, the slinger of dildos.
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The packer of dildos.
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:20.880
Wait a minute.
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No, that's a completely different uh that's not a title.
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Um so So 1661, the magistrate uh the drummer at Ted Russ.
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Yes, okay, so in 1661, magistrate John Mompesson encountered a wandering drummer named William Drury in the long uh log and shell.
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Drury basked for money.
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He was a drummer, he played on the streets, stuff like that.
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But while he was speaking to Mompesson, I can't I'm not saying that guy's name, right?
00:28:59.119 --> 00:28:59.920
Mompesson?
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.640
Yes, well, it's it looks like he was asked to show his documents, and Mompesson believed they were fake.
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.039
Drury Show me your papers Yeah, pretty much.
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.799
These are not in order.
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.319
You need to get your papers in order and then hand them back to me.
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.079
Drury was arrested and his drum was confiscated.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:30.240
But the guy can't walk around with a drum and he should have sold the drum to himself, so maybe you know.
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:40.160
Later accounts, Drury threatened Mompessen for taking his drums, and soon after Mompessen's home began to do some strange things.
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:40.960
Hmm.
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.319
Loud drumming coming from inside and outside the house.
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:45.839
That's because he stole the guy's drum.
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:46.079
Yeah.
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.559
Knocking and scratches behind the walls.
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:49.200
Hmm.
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.839
Moving objects from one room to another and moving on their own, obviously.
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.440
Uh strange noises that seem to respond to people.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:04.640
One of the most famous claims was the invisible drummer that appeared to respond when people tapped in rhythms.
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.599
Tapping with your foot next foot, you're bumped in the rhythm.
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:08.559
Hey, who are you?
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.640
Yeah, let's put a band together.
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.599
People believed that the drummer used had used witchcraft or said a spirit was punishing Mom person.
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.880
However, not everyone was convinced.
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.279
Most believed the events may have been an exaggerated trick or a prank.
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.440
His children may have tried to create noises, and the story escalated.
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.000
Which you Dad, I don't want to go to bed.
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:33.759
I'll get you, Dad.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.680
Playing with his drum kids, like, where are those drums coming from?
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:42.799
Could I get the drumming?
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.720
I'm gonna start scratching on the walls.
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.759
I mean, those walls are thick, and we're talking about England.
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:48.319
It's true.
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.200
I mean it's not like it was a wrap behind the uh drywall.
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.279
You you'd need like a friggin' rake at the wall or something, big metal rake.
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:05.039
Um, when most people imagine a polygonist, they picture an old house, frightened children and objects flying around dark rooms.
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:14.319
But in 1967, something different happened in a small Bavarian town of Rosenheim in Germany.
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.799
The location wasn't a haunted mansion or an abandoned building.
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:20.000
It was a 7-Eleven.
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:20.880
Yeah, no.
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:21.599
No, okay.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.119
It was a lawyer's office.
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:23.920
Ah, okay.
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:32.240
I mean and things began uh behaving strangely, that wasn't just furniture.
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.319
Uh there were telephones, lights, electrical systems, and machines.
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:42.960
The events took place in the law offices of attorney Sigmund Adam in Rosenheim and Bulvaria.
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.200
Her business was just a little slow, and he would have thought of a convenient way to get business.
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.480
That is true, that's true.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.319
But 1967, I mean, I don't know.
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:58.880
Especially for a lawyer, especially if you're trying to I mean that that wouldn't be how you kind of get business.
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.359
I guess I guess it would be yeah, come to the lawyer who sees things moving in his office.
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:04.240
Yeah.
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:05.759
Okay.
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:06.880
Yeah, I care.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.480
Maybe he wasn't uh a ploy to get business.
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:17.279
So at first employees thought they were dealing with normal technical issues, but the problems became increasingly strange.
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:22.160
Light bulbs reportedly exploded, fluorescent lights bulbs.
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:36.559
Loud bangs were heard, electrical search circuits reported failed, and the office telephone system began behaving strangely.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:43.519
Now, 1967 Yeah, light bulbs are gonna explode all the time.
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:53.440
No one knows about exploding, but I mean they definitely wouldn't pop that they would they would blow out have the wrong I mean that's the thing, they all thought it was just technical issues.
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:53.839
Yeah.
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.960
So I mean that would be an expensive electrician or electrician visit.
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.920
Yeah, so you're you're you're not really getting people in if you're like blowing all my.
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.920
But I mean the fluorescent lights switched off.
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.440
I mean, that could be a bad ballast.
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:08.160
Yeah, exactly.
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.720
Lights found twisted or unscrewed.
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:12.720
I mean, yeah.
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:14.079
Yeah, loud bangs.
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.079
Well, that was your electrical box blowing up.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:16.480
That's true.
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:17.359
That's true.
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:23.519
The um yeah, so the telephone problems were especially unusual.
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.720
Employees reported multiple phones ringing at the same time.
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.039
That's usually got to deal with like you're busy.
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.000
But I mean, they're on the same line.
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:32.559
Yeah.
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:40.240
Have you ever been in an office and when one phone rings, they already pretty much unless you have an operator, which you should have had then.
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:46.720
Uh calls unexpectedly ending, calls appearing on records that staff claim did not they did not make.
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:48.880
I don't know who called that 900 number.
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.359
Must have been a ghost, because I didn't call that 900 uh sex line.
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:53.920
I'm just saying.
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:55.920
See, I was thinking like, what the hell is a 900 number?
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.599
Because we use 1800 in our own.
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:03.440
So during the 90s, yeah, you bought you dial a 1900 number.
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:03.839
Okay.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.359
This is what I've read from reports.
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.039
I don't know this for sure.
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:13.119
And then for$2 to$5 a minute, you could talk to uh special thread.
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.920
Hey, I was around in the 90s.
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:17.119
And broke.
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.320
That was 67.
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.480
Oh, it's not in the 90s a minute.
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:20.960
Yeah.
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.880
I don't think they had those numbers back then.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.519
Were they?
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.159
I was just saying that I don't know who made that phone call.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:26.960
I didn't make that.
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:28.320
I didn't make that call.
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:28.719
Yeah.
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.039
I don't think I think it was a 90s thing, actually.
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.079
I don't think they're even allowed to do that anymore.
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:34.559
Yeah.
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.639
Well, at first the office assumed there was an electrical fault.
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.760
The power company was contacted, and then the police became involved.
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:42.559
Okay, whoa.
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:51.199
How do you go from calling the power company to an electrician to what's what's the police gonna do?
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.719
Yeah, yeah, your light bulbs are flickering.
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.280
Um what am I supposed to do about it?
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:58.400
Call the police.
00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.280
Okay.
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.480
Okay.
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.639
We have flickering lights and we need a police officer.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:06.480
Yeah, I don't uh okay.
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.440
Anyway.
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:19.679
Eventually, researchers from the Freuberg Institute for border areas of psychology and mental hygiene investigated the claims.
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:20.719
I probably butchered that.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.880
I like the term mental hygiene.
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.039
I mean, like, makes me think someone like just pop tops my the top of my scalp off.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.119
Just gives me a little nice little soapy massage on my brain.
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:31.920
Yeah.
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.159
The interesting thing about this case was that they believed that was a technical issue and must be a logical explanation.
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:46.480
During the investigation, the attention was focused on a 19-year-old office employee named Anne Marie Scoborough.
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.480
Investigators reported that many of the disturbances seemed to be connected with her presence.
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.320
They claimed events increased when she was nearby.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:04.800
Some activity appeared to decrease with distance from her, and when she eventually left the offices, the disturbance reportedly stopped.
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.000
Scapegoat.
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:15.840
Scapegoat, maybe, but it does kind of lead into some stuff later on that we will go over about psychology of poltergeists.
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.559
And I and actually I'm I'm sure people listening right now is like, wow, those guys sound really skeptical.
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:26.159
No, I I we are I I am definitely skeptical.
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.920
Skeptical, but I I believe that there are poltergeist cases.
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:30.719
Yes.
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.039
I am but you have to rule out the obvious first.
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:35.760
Exactly.
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.639
As as a par as a paranormal paranormal paranormal.
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.519
As a paranormal investigator, he hasn't been drinking either.
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:47.199
True.
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.199
That's that's how that's how you need to be.
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.280
Not every bang is a ghost.
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.119
Ah that was that was me.
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.719
That was that was a ghost, shut up.
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:56.960
No.
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.239
Oh, that was a ghost.
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:11.360
This led parapsychologist hands bender to suggest the possibility of recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis or RSPK.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.280
RSPK.
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:20.079
The idea that unconscious psychological stress might somehow produce physical effects.
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:20.719
Okay.
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:22.559
I mean I I believe that.
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:29.039
The Rosenheim poltergeist remains one of the most debated cases in paranormal history.
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:35.920
To believers, it was a rare example of something beyond their understanding being studied by science.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:42.880
To sceptics, it was a reminder that strange events still require ordinary explanations before extraordinary ones.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:50.000
In which we kind of did, as you read this, that we kind of had answers for but you know, we weren't there.
00:37:50.880 --> 00:38:06.960
But perhaps the most interesting part of the Rosenheim was not that happened to offices, but it it leaves a question if the human mind can influence how we experience reality, where does psychology end and unhinged begin?
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:14.559
After a hundred years of Poltegoy's reports, investigators began to know strange uh something strange.
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:20.159
The activity did not always seem to be attached to a house but attached to a person.
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:33.679
Instead of asking what spirit is haunting these locations, researchers began to ask, Why does this phenomena seem to follow certain individuals? 'Cause they're big fat fakers.
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.920
No, I'm just joking.
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.280
That was a joke.
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:56.800
One of the biggest observations in Poltigoist research is the distorces often seem to be connected to one person, free uh frequently a child or a teenager, and some researchers studying report cases in particular of a certain individual often appeared in the center of the activity.
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.119
So a teenager moves into a house, strange activities uh begin.
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.159
The teenager leaves and the reports um decrease or stops.
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:11.119
The house itself is not the source but the person, the individual.
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:17.599
So, real quick, this led the ideas uh like uh actually no, say what you're gonna say.
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:27.599
I was just gonna say, and it's usually tied to teenagers because of the changes that uh um the psychological effects of what's happening in the environment.
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.039
Yeah, that was the word I was.
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.199
That was the word I was trying to help you out with the thing.
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.440
Yeah, that was a long time ago.
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.119
Yes, yes, yes.
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:49.199
Um but the change, but the but the psychological, hormonal, and the mental changes that come to teenagers during puberty is able to affect their emotional surroundings through telekinesis.
00:39:49.440 --> 00:40:07.199
Yeah, so like the emotional stress is one of the biggest things, um, especially with teenagers because and this is what uh not to interrupt, sorry, but it's what interests me in a lot of the poltergeist cases that if you look, there's always an underlying stress factor in the house.
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:23.840
Yeah, not just a teenager going through you know puberty or adolescence, there's always the family issue or a financial issue or some kind of underlying stress that seem seems to also affect the telekinesis abilities.
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:24.400
Exactly.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:48.800
So like a teenager can experience like family conflict or or pressure in school or college or whatever, you know, identity struggles, hormonal changes, changes, feeling powerless, you know, uh a psychological explanation is that extreme conditions and emotions may maybe express indirectly and go somewhere else, and suddenly there's like you know.
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:55.840
Um this is where psychology becomes really interesting that the human the humans are patron-seeking creatures.
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:02.320
If someone hears a bang, bang, they might think, oh, you know, it was a pipe, neighbor, animal, the wind.
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:08.320
But never, never did they expect it was can with a pipe hitting the neighbor.
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.519
Ah, no, it's just going bang in the wind next to an animal.
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:11.840
No.
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.559
Um but if it happens multiple times, the brain starts searching for meanings.
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:17.679
Something has to be done.
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:24.880
This uh, it doesn't mean that people are lying, it just means that the human brain is designed to find causes behind events.
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:25.440
True.
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:26.000
Right?
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.079
So extreme stress can change how people experience events.
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.440
Examples of this would be hearing your name called when nobody spoke.
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.480
Now I've had that happen to me a lot, and it's the creepiest.
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.159
I had that happen to me.
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:44.000
I've I I've as a kid as a kid going through peer beauty, I had that happen to me a lot now that you mention it.
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.320
Yeah.
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.480
Now that I started thinking back to when I happened to me the most, that's when it was.
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:49.840
I I remember that myself.
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:51.519
But it was a particular house we were in.
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.440
It didn't happen outside the house, though.
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:54.320
Interesting.
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.039
In that same house, I did see figures walking around.
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:57.840
That's cool.
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:58.559
Yeah, that's cool.
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.239
I woke up the night.
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.280
I had a a chair sitting in the like a lounge chair sitting in the corner of my room.
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:06.880
There was someone sitting in it.
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:07.360
Yeah.
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.199
But I could see them, they were kind of glowing.
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.760
Is that the story you talked about in your in your episode?
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:15.599
Or I wouldn't really now was that the the same chair that rocked as well?
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.079
No.
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:22.480
No, no, it was just a lounge chair, and and I saw this little it was a man sitting there.
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:30.719
It was kind of a not a big burly man, but he was kind of glowing and gray colored and yeah just kind of sitting there watching me.
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:31.360
Interesting.
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.800
Now remind me, was this the same house as the lady?
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:35.599
Nope.
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:36.480
That's interesting.
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.239
Different kind different states too.
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:41.679
Anyway, interesting.
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:48.079
Um but that was the same house I'd hear my name, and it was to a point where I would actually walk out, I was like, What did you want?
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.360
Because it always sounded like most the majority of the time sounded like my mom calling me.
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:51.679
Right.
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:53.519
Yeah, I remember that as a kid too.
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.920
I always remember like actually I remember my ma calling me and me calling my ma.
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.440
She'd be like, Hey, you call me now.
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:00.800
Yeah.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:01.519
Weird.
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:13.920
So another another big part of any ghost uh encounter, paranormal, whatever, are hoaxes.
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:19.920
Well, you kind of missed some of the other the other stream expresses because I kind of hijacked the first one.
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:20.719
That's fair.
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.880
So misinterpreting sounds.
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:30.239
So you you think you hear something which is a knock my sound like a voice in certain ways, you know.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.639
Then in fact, that happened to me the other night.
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:38.639
It was last night, now that I mentioned we were sitting at dinner, me, my wife, and my mother-in-law.
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.199
We've had to move in with my mother-in-law to give her a hand.
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:41.519
Yeah.
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:48.239
And we're sitting there, and all of a sudden, my wife and I turned to look at the far wall because we could have sworn we just heard a voice.
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.000
And we looked at each other because we thought we heard a male voice.
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.320
Yeah.
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.960
And we're looking around, and my mother in law, she doesn't have very good hearing, so she didn't notice.
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.519
But then I got up and walked over, and it was just one of the dogs laying there.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.559
He made a noise.
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.480
Made a noise sound that sounded like a human man saying, What?
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:05.760
What?
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:11.679
It's exactly what it sounded like, but it sounded like it was standing right there next to a clock that was hanging on the wall.
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:12.320
Interesting.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:12.880
Interesting.
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.039
So that was that was misinterpreting sounds.
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:26.880
I um won't go into much of uh this story, but I did hear so when I was staying with friends in Oregon and I asked them, was it okay to say this?
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.559
And they're like, Yeah, you can even say that.
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.960
Um they said to me that they have a mimic in their house.
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:34.159
Okay, okay.
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.400
And you may occasionally hear your voice.
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.280
If there's no one in the room, you hear your voice, don't reply.
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:40.159
Okay.
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:44.960
I mean, it's just usually don't.
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.360
Okay.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.400
Yeah, it's it's common sense.
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:47.039
Don't reply to that.
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.639
Better not to give it.
00:44:49.119 --> 00:45:01.039
So I was I was in their living room, and I suddenly heard like really kind of like it was a female voice, and it was like it was my friend's voice, she was calling me, and I figured, you know, I was like, huh?
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.480
Like, you know, someone calls you.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:03.840
Your answer, it was all there.
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.480
I was just like, well shit.
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:08.079
I was like, uh oh.
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.440
I did not hear nothing.
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:16.400
But I didn't hear nothing after that, so it was it was interesting, but it was it was definitely weird to hear your voice being called into a room.
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:28.159
Imagine how much energy because if you listen to like EVPs, yeah, it seems like the the spirit has to like really work hard to get up enough energy for it just to be heard on an audio recorder.
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.920
But yeah, for it to be heard audibly, you think that would be a lot of energy.
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:33.840
I mean we don't know, we don't know.
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.000
True, true, we don't know.
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.800
Um yeah.
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:50.079
I always wonder about that, about what energy costs in the paranormal realm because maybe it might take a lot of energy, or maybe it doesn't take energy, but it takes like gumption.
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:56.639
Something some kind of like maybe it takes us a ton of energy to hear it, and maybe that's why we're so burnt out, you know?
00:45:59.039 --> 00:45:59.760
I'm with you.
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.360
Um I just don't know.
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.639
Other things remembering events differently after a repeated discussion.
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:19.920
Now, I I understand that that like sometimes I have issues with memory a little bit because of a disability, so that more that might be more like a human thing, I think, personally.
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.320
Or maybe just you're not paying attention when someone talking about it.
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.639
I'm having the Mandela effect a lot more lately.
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:25.119
Really?
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:25.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.639
Well, I mean the whole internet's like, no, that person died 10 years ago.
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:31.199
Sorry.
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.360
It's not the internet, the world is changing.
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.679
My brain is like internet, like no, the whole world is changing.
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.679
No, I it's just weird, it's like, no, that person.
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.679
I remember that person dying ten years ago.
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.239
I I watched the video and the newscast.
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.920
And what do you mean they're still alive?
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:45.599
Or they were until yesterday, yeah.
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.679
Yeah, it's that's that's happening to me a lot lately, but I guess I'm just getting to be an old man.
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.280
Well faulty memory.
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.000
No.
00:46:52.800 --> 00:47:03.280
Or it's those bastards in Switzerland flicking on that CERN, super collider, thing of a jig, and drawing us into another alternate dimension in reality every time.
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.880
I don't think we'll ever ever find her dimension again.
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:10.960
Oh, you really think that we've jumped?
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:11.519
Oh yeah.
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:12.000
Yeah?
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:12.639
Yeah.
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.320
I definitely well I definitely believe in the the multiverse.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.400
Do you think it was CERN or do you think it's just some outside force?
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:21.760
I don't I have no idea.
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:22.480
I I don't know.
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.000
I I think, you know.
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.599
We need to look into CERN.
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.239
We need to do an episode on the Hydro Collider and just.
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.320
I don't think I'm intelligent enough to do that.
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:33.039
Oh, you are.
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:34.719
I don't know.
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:35.519
Yarr.
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:36.400
I don't know.
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:37.679
Yarr, Mickey.
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:44.079
Um other things are becoming more sensitive to normal household noises.
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.960
A family experiencing fear can unintentionally create a feedback loop.
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.880
When something strange happens, fear increases, and then everyone watches closely.
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.199
Uh every unusual event becomes important and fear increases further.
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:06.559
So the one thing that I always love when people talk about experiences that they've had is the glass moving across the table.
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:07.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:08.239
Yeah.
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.320
And then you look to see that.
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.880
I really would like to actually it's not that hard.
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.800
Oh, yeah, I know, because the the moisture moisture condensation.
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.360
I've seen it in restaurants all the time, but everybody's like, and the glass moved.
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:22.400
I know, right?
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:23.519
No, but one thing I like.
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.119
And when it flies off the table and hits somebody on the other side of the room, that's different.
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.639
Yeah, no, I I think like moving four inches on the table.
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.119
But it depends on the where.
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.719
Like if it's in your own house, like no.
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.320
Okay, so you bring that up.
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:49.599
I've been in ghost hunts and ghost investigations, and I've been to places that um have made the TV shows about being incredibly haunted.
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:50.320
Yeah.
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:56.000
I have not yet been in a place that was experiencing poltergeist activity.
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:56.639
Right.
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:06.719
Poltergeist being in a room and all of a sudden, you know, uh something flies off the shelf and then misses your head and hits the wall and blows up in a billion pieces from the forest.
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:08.559
That kind of scares me a little bit.
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:09.039
Yeah.
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:10.960
But yet you're like, I want to see it.
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:11.599
I know.
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:12.639
I want to be a part of that.
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:14.159
Yeah, for sure.
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:30.320
In fact, I was told this experience, I read it in a book, and I've been trying to find cor cooperation because I'd really like to look into this one a little bit further, but it was like uh and uh forgive me, I because I didn't research this ahead of time to remember where it was at, but yeah.
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.559
Um this police officer was called, kept being called to this house because they were having a poltergeist activity.
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.239
And one day he comes in and it's rainy in the living room.
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.880
It's not a broken pipe, yeah, it's just raining from everywhere.
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.599
Where was I?
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.679
And the cop was I just said I don't remember.
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.280
Uh I'd have to look it up.
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:51.599
Okay.
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.559
But uh I was like first of all, you're a cop.
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:01.039
You're not expecting to be called to a place, and then that's the call that you get.
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:01.519
One.
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:02.000
Yeah.
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.920
So you're kind of like taken aback by that.
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.639
But then just the fact that you were minding your own business, next to you, you're standing in a room where it's raining.
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.920
That's just phenomenal how things can change without you even realizing one.
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.400
But two, I would like to have been that cop to like experience that.
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.639
Yeah, that'd be interesting, wouldn't it?
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:27.280
So anybody out there that's going through something like that or know this situation and happens regularly, let us know because we want to go.
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.320
We want to be there and I will help and help investigate.
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:35.440
While it's raining, is it like is it looking like it's coming through the the roof?
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.559
From what I remember, it looked like it was coming out.
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:40.320
Like it like the roof was never heard.
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.639
Like the roof was never there, like it was coming through because it wasn't pooling and then dropping.
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.239
No, it wasn't like a broken pipe.
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.679
No, it was like you were standing outside and there's rain falling everywhere.
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:50.960
He's like crazy.
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:51.920
That's so crazy.
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:56.000
In fact, he walked outside and put on his rain gear and came back inside to take a look around.
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.000
Everyone looking at him like, what the fuck are you doing?
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.360
No, I'm not gonna get wet in the rainy house.
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:02.000
True.
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:08.079
So, as we're gonna come to the end of this uh fourth episode of two episodes of the the polygon.
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.360
Not everything is haunted.
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:14.400
I agree with that.
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:15.039
I agree with that.
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.679
How many times have you gone into an investigation?
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.760
Especially uh you brought it up with the metal rake on the stone walls, yes.
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.039
That's one thing, but modern houses have drywall.
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:26.320
Well, in America.
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.000
Okay, in America, yeah.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.440
I'll give you that because I haven't ghost hunted really outside the United States.
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:39.280
You never know what kind of rodent or or something's gotten in behind behind that wall and it's making scratches.
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:40.000
Exactly.
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:41.039
That's one.
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:41.440
Yeah.
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:48.880
So I mean there are things that oh the wall's being scratched on, it's automatically a ghost or a poltergeist.
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:49.760
Yeah.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.960
Like for example, I want to show you something real quick because we're in a we're in a different studio.
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.960
I want to hear see if you can hear me scratch on the wall from your side of the wall.
00:51:59.280 --> 00:51:59.519
Okay.
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.039
So Matt has gone from this room and into the other room.
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.960
Yeah, I can hear I can hear scratching.
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.760
I don't think they can pick it up on the microphone, but I hear scratching.
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:14.639
Yeah?
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:15.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:19.519
Don't worry.
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.519
So, yes, I did hear you scratching on the wall.
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:26.400
Yeah.
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.239
Was it loud?
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.639
Or like, did it sound like it was coming from inside the wall or just your side of the wall?
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.519
Would you it was hard to tell.
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:35.920
Yeah.
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:36.320
Yeah.
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:37.360
You wouldn't be able to, yeah.
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:38.320
It was hard to tell.
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:47.920
So if I knew you were gonna ask me that when you came back, I probably would have listened a little bit closer, but I would say it sounded more like something on the other side of the wall than something that was inside the wall.
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.199
I want to try another experiment.
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:49.519
Okay.
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.280
Have it have it very something.
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.880
So tell me what this sounds like.
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:01.599
Okay, so Matt's walked on to the other side of the wall and asked me to tell him what this sounds like.
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:02.400
Hold on.
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:10.800
Yeah, I hear that.
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.639
That's uh it sounds something like more like something clawing at the wall.
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:15.280
Yeah.
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:24.960
But it made me wonder if it kind of makes me wonder if if I could tell if it was coming from inside the wall or on the other side of the wall.
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:32.639
Well, my my point, my idea in my head was if you have a hanger on the shelf or something like that and it was broken or something and it starts sliding down, okay.
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.159
But I think you also have to look into whether the it's an outdoor outside facing wall or an inside the house.
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:42.320
Yeah.
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:44.079
Because it could be a branch on a tree.
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:44.960
Let me go outside.
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.679
And Matt has left the house and is oh wait, he's getting in his car and he's driving off.
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.199
I am waiting to hear what sound he thinks I can hear from that distance.
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:57.840
My mic is kind of acting up.
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.519
Well, we'll we'll fix that in a minute.
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:00.800
We're at the end of the episode.
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.519
So the la to finish off this episode.
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.840
Well, this uh part of Part one.
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.039
Misinterpretations.
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.599
Normal events can appear supernatural when people are frightened.
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:14.480
That's a big thing.
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:15.119
I'm scared.
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:16.719
When you're terrified, everything is terrified.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.280
Oh, yeah, your your senses are your nerves are shy.
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.519
You think you're seeing things move, it's really the movement of your eyes are quicker.
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:23.840
Yeah.
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:24.800
Yeah, exactly.
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.480
And norm um, so normal okay, we don't know.
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:34.800
Uh this brings us to the most famous poltergeist cake poltergeist case of the modern area.
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.840
They just moved the headstones, man.
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.760
Because when investigators arrive.
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.199
At a small house in North London.
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.159
No, no, no, no.
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.039
That that took place in the suburbs here in the United States.
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.119
Which the poltergeist movie.
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:59.440
Oh, yeah, I know, but that's the most famous pol that is the most famous poltergeist uh story of the century in Europe, I'd say it'd be this one.
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.519
Oh, you're talking about a real one.
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.760
Well, you're saying the poltergeist wasn't real one.
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:04.639
That was a documentary.
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.559
You stop hitting your story for God's sake.
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:07.599
I'm trying to do a podcaster.
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.800
No, the poltergeist movie was a documentary, wasn't it?
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:12.320
Yeah.
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:13.840
In fact, I will post.
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.159
It was made by Steven Spielberg.
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:26.400
I will post So you're saying something made by Steven Spielberg should be taken with a grain of salt, other than uh say what was that one guy that does all the PBS documentaries?
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:31.280
Uh oh no, I mean it was it was a real real life uh story.
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.320
Oh, okay, okay.
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:33.039
I think I don't know.
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:45.199
No, uh so and then uh when we post this episode onto the website, I will also in the um uh show gallery put up pictures of what the poltergeist house looks like today.
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.039
Because I moved to Simi Valley and that's where the poltergeist house is.
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.239
That's so crazy, isn't it?
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:55.840
And you thought in you thought that that house spun around and evaporated and poof was gone.
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:56.639
Yeah, it's still there.
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:57.840
Still there, it's still there.
00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.599
I lied in the documentary.
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.000
That or it was uh entrance uh fraud.
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:02.559
I don't know.
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:11.679
Now is was so where so here's the thing in that story, the whole point of everything was it was built on native land.
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:12.480
So we used to.
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.719
Well they they they explored that more in the second movie.
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:30.239
The first movie was they built the contractor, it was a thing about greed, yeah, where the contractors and the property owner uh was so greedy that they built this huge sub, you know, suburban development on an old cemetery.
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:30.559
Yeah.
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.320
And instead of moving the cemetery, they just moved the headstones, and so all these spirits and of dead people were angry.
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:37.360
That's true.
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.239
Kind of led to the story of the poltergeist.
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:47.199
So the um spoiler alert if you haven't seen the movie.
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:47.920
Yeah.
00:56:48.239 --> 00:57:06.719
So the the small house in Nord London, uh, they found almost every element was uh that we've discussed a family on distress, children on the centre, physical disturbances, witnesses, recordings, and a debate that comes that continues nearly 50 years later.
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.239
So we'll get into the Enfield Poltergoist next episode.
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:12.559
Nice.
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:23.840
We have a little bit of information on it, and hopefully, I really want to try and get some sounds from um Janet and what was your kid's name again?
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.480
Uh Janet and Margaret.
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:28.159
Damn it, Janet.
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:29.039
I know, right.
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.880
Um, and hopefully we can get some pictures on the website as well.
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:33.679
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:34.719
Absolutely.
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:45.760
There's there's a famous uh photo from the unfoiled uh poltergeist of one of the girls uh being thrown allegedly being thrown across the room in her bedroom.
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:46.639
Yeah.
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.480
But um, yeah, no, it's it's definitely a one that uh I doubt I love this subject.
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:53.119
Oh yeah.
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.840
And I would I would I say this with a grain of salt.
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.280
It's not that I would be like, let me in, let me in, then I gotta see it.
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.440
Be like, okay, let's go see the poltergeist.
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.039
Well, it's scary.
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:21.679
Yeah, it would be, but you can't tell me you'd be standing in a room, and out of nowhere, the coin jar on the mantle that's probably at 50 pounds by itself comes flying off there towards your head and it blow explodes into a million pieces on the other side of the wall.
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.320
That wouldn't scare the crap out of you and make you hesitant to want to walk in there.
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:28.559
I don't know.
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:31.760
Because I want to investigate it.
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:33.119
I want to I want to see it.
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.440
I want to know boy if they're across the room.
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:36.960
I don't want it to come near my head.
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:38.000
Yeah, well that's true.
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.480
You don't you don't want you don't want to die about anything, but like, you know, I definitely I think I'd investigate it.
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:52.880
And I'm also kind of skeptical of videos you see on the internet where the camera is pointing down a hallway and all of a sudden something comes flying from one end to the other and you can't see where it originated from.
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:58.400
Like, yeah, nobody saw Uncle Sam or in the corner, they're throwing it across the room, you know.
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.440
The the fission wire that's attached to the chairs and memory.
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:01.679
Right.
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:02.000
Yeah.
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.000
I mean it's very easy to recre or to um fake.
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:11.280
Those are kind of really fun videos to look at, but yeah, yeah, I don't I don't give those.
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:15.920
We done something years ago for for fun when we're in a paranormal team.
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.199
And we got some some some wire.
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.360
I don't even know if it's on the internet anymore.
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And we got some wire and we put it around things so it wasn't obvious.
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Okay.
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And whatever way it went, it was like instead of something going this way, it went this way when you pulled it this way.
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So it's so it went instead of going left and really needed toaster just move across the counter, and it was it was so weird.
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It was it was cool.
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It was it's easy to do though.
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Oh yeah, you know, yeah.
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Well, yeah, okay.
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So the closest thing I've come to a poltergeist experience, and I probably I think I've mentioned this uh experience on the show before, but uh my best friend and I at the time in high school, junior high, probably junior high, actually, yeah.
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We decided we were going to put on a fake seance.
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Oh yeah.
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And so we rigged this, he had a large room, and so we rigged it with fishing line and stuff.
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Yeah.
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That while he and I were conducting the seance, the people we invited, our friends that we invited over, would be sitting there and seeing things moving and stuff, but we would be controlling like all the wires with our feet under the table.
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All right, that's interesting.
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And so one of the things was we had had our back to this.
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Uh he and I would have our back to uh this rocking chair that he had he's had in his room forever.
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Yeah.
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And everybody we and we would position it so that all of our friends would be sitting there looking at us where they could see the rocking chair.
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Yeah, and we had it so that we move our foot, that rocking chair would slide across the room, and then you move your other foot on a different wire, yeah, and it quickly would turn and face the table and start rocking as you're moving your foot back and forth.
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And it we knew we knew how it was happening, we knew he was doing it, or I would be doing it, and it would still freak us out watching it.
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Yeah, for sure.
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So we were getting this uh, and then during this whole time we're conditioning our friends, like telling them, oh man, we were we were over after school, and they're and then such and such happened.
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Or this picture fell flew from the wall and landed on the bed, or you know, we were we were starting to get our friends psyched up for it to do this.
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So here we are.
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We even gave the entity a name, it was Gideon.
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And we were getting it all Gideon's Island, we were getting it all uh everybody hyped, we were getting the the final touches done to the room.
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We even had a mirror where these two little red LEDs would light up behind the mirror.
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Cool, cool.
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And I mean everything, and even had it to where we were gonna take a break and bring in glasses, and one of us had um um uh vinegar in our glass, and we had coated the bottom of a tray really finely with uh baking powder.
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Oh, yeah.
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So when you knock it over, I'll say you know, foam bump and stuff.
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So we were putting a lot of work and effort into this.
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So one of the things we were also gonna do is dad was gonna run outside and just run down the wall as hard as he could on the and he would his dad was really, really strong.
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Yeah, and he would have knocked, yeah.
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I mean, he was gonna like sound like the wall was gonna come down.
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So, anyway, about a week before this, we were about a week before we were doing this, we were sitting in this room, and at this point we're not even working on it, we're just sitting around talking, and not really loud, but down the wall, you hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And we're like, Did you hear that?
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And then it'll go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And we were like, what is that?
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Someone's gonna be screwing with us.
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So we ran outside, nobody there.
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We run running into his living room, and his dad's sitting there drinking a beer.
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He hadn't gotten up.
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You could tell he hadn't been up for out of that chair for a while, and it freaked us out.
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Like, oh maybe we opened the door somewhere, yeah.
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And so we actually chickened out and didn't do it, but that's cool.
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:00.400
It would have been it was, but anyway.
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.360
A long story just to get to uh the closest thing I've been to a poltergeist on the wall.
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.559
Which could have been one of our friends freaking us out, too.
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:09.360
Well, that's true.
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:17.760
I don't know if I could uh have I ever have I ever experienced poltergeist activity?
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Uh I mean not really.
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:20.159
Yeah.
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.320
No, not I don't think so.
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I mean I I don't know what it was.
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.960
It could have been a branch hitting the wall off, I know, but there were no trees.
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:29.519
Excuse me.
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.039
No trees around the house.
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:31.519
Yeah.
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So I don't know.
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It was weird.
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:36.320
Alright, let's leave it there, Ken.
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And next week we'll be back to part two.
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Part two.
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We have so much more to talk about.
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Is it gonna be right there where we left it?
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:42.480
Exactly.
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:43.280
Exactly right there.
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:44.079
Exactly right there.
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:45.760
One week later, it'll still be right there.
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:46.639
Exactly right there.
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:47.280
Right there.
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:47.760
Right there.
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:48.000
Okay.
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:49.039
Where you keep waiting to.
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:50.320
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna see.
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This exact this exact square in time and space is where it'll be next week.
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:57.519
Where it'll be next week.
01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:58.079
Nice.
01:03:58.239 --> 01:03:58.559
Exactly.
01:03:58.960 --> 01:03:59.519
Nice.
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We'll see.
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01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:51.599
Exactly, exactly.
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The alien soda company just released its uh eight poster series for cryptids.
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Exactly, exactly.
01:05:58.400 --> 01:05:59.599
So there you go.
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Alrighty, guys, we're gonna leave it there and next week there, I still see it.
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:04.000
Exactly.
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It's right there in that time.
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Awesome.
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And I know.
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Okay, I love you too.
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Alrighty, so until next week, Ken.
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