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I always always say to my clients, like, as a founder, you want to be like three months ahead.
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Particularly being on the business means you can almost trust the team to take care of the next three months, which has two benefits.
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One of which allows you to be in the future and planning and smoothing the way ahead, but also gives your team the gift of certainty around what they're focused on for the next three months.
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That kind of limbo between kind of being half in and half out when they're genuinely burnt out or they genuinely need some time to properly recharge.
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And then what they're basically doing is they're kind of kicking the can down the road because they're they're going on holiday, they're feeling upset and annoyed that they're kind of working, but they're not not working because they don't want to disappoint people or let people down or be perceived to be um failing or whatever it is.
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And then it creates a longer-term issue for them.
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Giving yourself that time to recharge is it pays that performance dividend because when you're at the stage where you're kind of running on fumes, I I've still as a coach, I sometimes get this where I'm like, something I don't take a I'm not so organized when I take a holiday later in the year, and you get through a stage that actually you just notice that you're depleted, like you make slow decisions, you don't tackle the big things, like you're responding to setbacks in different ways.
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And actually, a week away, you almost pays for itself the following week.
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You come back with like you say while you've been on a holiday, you've had click better thoughts, it's had time to think and process, you come back with sort of a simplified view in your head, you have more energy to tackle things.
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Welcome to the Pure Effect post bag.
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I'm James Johnson, joined by Freddie Burley.
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We ask for your questions, and Freddie and I are going to tackle them together.
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These aren't theoretical case studies, it's the stuff keeping you up at 2 a.m.
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Let's get answering.
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Welcome to Peer Effect Podcast.
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I'm James Johnson.
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I'm Freddie Burley.
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So we have a question from Anna.
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I feel like I can't go on holiday.
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Hashtag help.
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Um, have you seen this come up a lot in your coaching?
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Yeah, I actually just had a call with a uh new client, and they're like the thing that resonated the most was the idea that they might be able to go on holiday.
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Um again, they felt like so, like in that moment of just firefighting.
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Yeah.
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That even beyond the company goals, even like I'm clear that it's gonna help us be more successful.
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I'm clear, like I get all that, but actually the thing that most felt felt most good was the idea that I might actually be able to go away on holiday for uh a week.
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So I which I I don't know what you see, but that does feel quite common amongst founders, a sense of I can't step away.
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I think, especially in the very early stages, um people really struggle to prioritize anything but the company.
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It becomes kind of all-consuming and it demands a lot of you, and and also you you demand a lot of it, and and you're kind of two feet in.
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Um I I'm curious how you help people navigate that or what you've seen.
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So I think it feels like step one is kind of just realizing that that is how they're feeling and going.
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This is not this is not a feature so much as a bug.
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Like it slightly depends what stage of business you are.
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Like I think if if you're startup phase, I think it is harder because you don't have the team enough.
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But if you're like a most recent like so of series A, you have a management team in place or start makings of one.
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Yeah.
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Or if you don't, if you don't have that, if you don't have one, that that in itself is a problem that we're probably talking about.
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But and you feel and you still feel like you can't go away on holiday, it feels like there's probably two one of two things going on for me.
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Like one is there is there's something about just within you, like, are you not giving yourself permission to do it?
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Is it a control thing?
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Is it like a hangover from patterns of behaviour up to this point?
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Yeah.
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So is it something that is a just a hang-up that actually if you can acknowledge and step away from, which we can work on, like that is that is part of the solution, or that is a solution or part of the solution.
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But I think sometimes what comes out is that it's actually a rational fear because you haven't built the team to be able to do to be able to survive without you.
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So I always always say to my client, like, as a as a founder, you want to be like three months ahead.
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Particularly being on the business means you can almost uh trust the team to take care of the next three months, which has two benefits.
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One of which allows you to be in the future and planning and smoothing the way ahead, but also gives your team the gift of certainty around what they're focused on for the next three months.
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Yeah.
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And if you're in a stage where you're getting sort of you're living in the business and your team can expect you to suddenly appear and like sort of yank the steering wheel left and go, we're gonna do this.
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That's not great for you because you're stuck in the business.
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And it's not great for them because they can't commit to doing the projects that they're doing, knowing that it's likely to change.
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Yeah.
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And so this I feel like I can't go on holiday is a really interesting signal for me around what could be going on in the business.
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And that's my starting point would be like, what is going on?
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Is it a is it a you hang up or is it a is it a business reality, which probably is like diving into practicalities of like how you're setting the business up and also particularly the quality of your team?
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I think that that's such a great point because I feel this this question often comes up when I've worked with a lot of founders who in the first couple of years didn't take any holiday, but they weren't feeling like they wanted to take holiday.
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It was very much, no, like I'm all in, I'm completely committed, it feels right, I want to keep my focus here.
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It wasn't a question for them.
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And I think as soon as the feeling of like I need a break starts becoming a question, but you're like, oh, I haven't set up the infrastructure amount around me to be able to have a break.
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And also at the same time, if you haven't set up the infrastructure and you still need a break, then that's great data to be like, you don't have to have everything perfect to be able to take a holiday.
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And so the question often is a symptom of they clearly need a break.
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It's not, should I, what's the perfect setup as a founder and how should I perfectly organize my time so that I can is it wrong to not go on holiday?
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Is it right?
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It's like just do you.
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If you feel like you need a holiday, it's generally because you probably do need some form of recharge and break.
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And it can be a really great, like what you said, of actually sometimes stepping away from the business, it allows you to see like what's got legs and what doesn't, who steps up and who doesn't.
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Like it gives you a lot of data in in that pulling back.
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And it doesn't have to be like a huge holiday, go away for five days or four days and just say, like, I need this, and I'm gonna be, I'll be back in four days.
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And like the world's not gonna collapse.
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Um, but it does give you interesting data for what both you are craving and where you're the problem, like where you're the bottleneck, where you're still stuck in old patterns of behavior that are preventing or disempowering your team.
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And it gives you a chance to step back and be like, okay, where's the most impactful area for me to focus?
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What do I want to prioritize?
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Where am I still holding tasks, activities, management, responsibilities where actually I don't need to because the business has evolved and I haven't evolved.
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And it's actually my job to continue evolving and growing as a human being and focusing on what's most impactful and what's most important.
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And that's going to change a hundred percent every three months and often much faster than that.
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And so, you know, I think often you do need that sense of stepping back to be able to figure out what it is that you're stepping towards and what you're stepping into.
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And holiday is a great time for that.
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I often find too that I get some of my most creative ideas on planes, trains, when I'm moving between places.
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And also I often find like the first one or two days of my holiday is more just like a kind of come down from um day-to-day life, and and then you kind of sink in and you have new ideas and musings, and you can kind of tune into your body in a different way than when you're kind of in the day-to-day, or you're very head-based.
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I I think that's so true.
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So I think I think it tells us a five-day holiday is actually still that's still work in many ways.
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I mean taking aside the fact that self-care is an important part of your job, yeah.
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Just that thinking time, the travel, the new environment, the new triggers, the space to take a step back.
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I mean, so it kind of is work still, like you are still getting a work benefit from it.
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I do think it does say, like, flushes out sort of things for you to tweak by not being there.
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Yeah.
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And I also just wonder whether I think the other part I really like we said there is sort of taking a holiday doesn't necessarily mean going straight into like a sort of month away in the jungle, no, no comms.
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Although all power to you if that's what you're at.
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But it could it could just be, I mean, I think going, okay, I haven't taken one for two years, that's where you are.
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Yeah.
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Going, okay, I'll take a a three-day break.
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Yeah.
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Call me if you need me, be quite clear on like what your like what people's sort of decision making making power is.
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Yeah.
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But expect that you're not going to fully relax and you are gonna like like dabble, like, and then go maybe the second time you can go for four days and actually don't check your emails past seven o'clock.
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Whatever it is, like it doesn't have to be like a full, full you can build up confidence.
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It does feel like a skill, like learning how to go on holiday, learning how to delegate to your team.
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Like it's not sort of disappear and just hope for the best.
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Totally.
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And different seasons require different things from you.
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So there are some, like I've been on holidays where really important things have blown up on holiday and I've chosen to work.
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But I think the interesting part here is also more like getting to know yourself.
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Because what I've often seen with founders where it starts to get a bit, where it starts to get really challenging, is when they know they need time out, but they're not taking it.
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And so then they end up in this kind of limbo no man's land where they know they need to recharge because they're feeling like physically or mentally depleted, but they still they go on holiday and they work when they actually need to rest.
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And I think that that kind of limbo between kind of being half in and half out when they're genuinely burnt out or they genuinely need some time to properly recharge.
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And then what they're basically doing is they're kind of kicking the can down the road because they're they're going on holiday, they're feeling upset and annoyed that they're kind of working, but they're not not working because they don't want to disappoint people or let people down or be perceived to be um failing or whatever it is.
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And then it creates a longer-term issue for them.
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And so I think that most of this, like, I feel like I can't go on holiday, it's very much like what is it that you're needing and what is it that you're desiring, and like just being in like knowing yourself and and being able to then put boundaries around what you need so that you actually get those needs met, and then you can come back better, more present.
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Um, and yeah, and and just feeling feeling good.
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I'm trying to work out what percentages.
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I'm curious yours, like I suspect more than 50% of the fan as I work at some stage get this sense of like I'm I'm hitting a wall beyond beyond just being tired, it's like they need to reset something.
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And so it's kind of like giving giving yourself that time to recharge.
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It pays that performance dividend because when you're at the stage where you're kind of running on fumes, I I've still as a coach, I sometimes get this where I'm like some I don't take a I'm not not so organized when I take a holiday later in the year, and you get through a stage actually you just notice that you're depleted, like you make slur decisions, you don't tackle the big things, like you're responding to setbacks in different ways.
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And actually, a week away, you almost pays for itself the following week.
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You come back with like you say while you've been on holiday, you've had better thoughts, it's had time to think and process, you come back with sort of a simplified view in your head, you have more energy to tackle things that first week back, like all those things that seemed impossible a week ago, Sunday.
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Oh, I just get them done.
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And you're like, who knew?
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Holiday was so healing, like going, especially if you do things that work for you.
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Because I think that's the other part of like context of holidays.
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Different things recharge different people.
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And sometimes, like, I actually need to read.
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I'm like craving learning and knowledge, and like reading books re-inspires me.
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Other times I just want to be in like the sea, or I want to hike, or I want to be outside in nature and speak to absolutely no one.
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Other times I'm craving time with like my family and people I love.
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So knowing also what it is that you're after and what's going to genuinely recharge you as opposed to in theory recharge you.
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And some people like really intense sports holidays recharge them, or it's it's getting to know yourself and what works for you so that when you do take that time, you're you're serving the actual need, not like the theoretical need.
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I think that just being very deliberate around it sounds like a weird thing to say on holidays, but like actually being very deliberate on your holiday in terms of okay, ignore what everyone else says the holidays for them.
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Like, what what does a successful holiday look like for you?
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Because one thing I hear of quite, should I look at my emails or not on holiday?
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And personally, I find looking at them distracting.
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And I like being away from them entirely.
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But I do know quite a few fans who go, actually, no, I just the sense of like these emails are building up and I can't look at them.
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I'd much rather read them every morning.
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And then at least I know that That's it.
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That's what works for you.
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That's literally it.
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It's like, what there's no, there's no playbook, there's no write.
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There's just like figuring out through trial and error, like what works for you, and then doing more of it.
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And then what worked for you at some point will then change, and then it no longer works.
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And then you like experiment and trial and error with different things, and you like listen to other people's stories, take from it what you want, and then you try it on yourself and just be in tune and and then yeah, and then see.
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In unracies, we're selling the holiday playbook for exactly.
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How to have the perfect holiday for founders.
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I think maybe my final thought on this is actually if you're feeling it now, it's very hard to find time to have holiday next week or the week after.
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It's kind of this probably is a month ahead, six weeks ahead, when your diary is probably clear enough that you can move stuff out the way to create the space.
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But if you don't do it now, then that's wisdom.
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And that's honestly something that I need to apply better because often I end up doing it more last minute, and I'm like, oh great, I I need a holiday, so I'm gonna do this.
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And I find it quite almost scary to commit to a holiday in six months' time or eight months' time, because I'm like, I don't know who I'll be then.
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I don't know if I'm gonna want to go do that in eight months' time, but actually having it to look forward to as well does energize me.
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And so that commitment of knowing it's coming up, knowing I've got it to look forward to actually does feel really good.
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And sometimes when it's booked last minute, it ends up making me feel a little bit um like I'm never really ready for it.
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I didn't prepare in a way.
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Um so yeah, again, we all be learning, you know.
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I think it's been really, really good to talk it through.
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I think my takeaway from this is I still don't book enough holidays.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And still could do it much more deliberately in terms of what is the type of holiday that I want, how do I want to structure it and say have time to almost mentally prep for it.
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So by the time you hit it, you'll probably lean into it.
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Yeah, and you enjoy it.
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And I think my main takeaway is actually what you said at the beginning around noticing the need in you when you feel like you need a holiday and you can't and you feel like you can't take it, and thinking about okay, what's what amazing data is this giving me about how my business needs to evolve and where I currently can't step back, but I know I want to or I need to, and therefore, like how do I make those changes so that the infrastructure around me and the company is set up in a better way and that's more sustainable and scalable?
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Well, I think that's a good point to finish this day.
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If anyone wants to reach out and talk about holidays, you can catch us through LinkedIn.
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And uh we will see you for another episode soon.
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I always always say to my clients, like, as a founder, you want to be like three months ahead.
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Particularly being on the business means you can almost trust the team to take care of the next three months, which has two benefits.
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One of which allows you to be in the future and planning and smoothing the way ahead, but also gives your team the gift of certainty around what they're focused on for the next three months.
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That kind of limbo between kind of being half in and half out when they're genuinely burnt out or they genuinely need some time to properly recharge.
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And then what they're basically doing is they're kind of kicking the can down the road because they're they're going on holiday, they're feeling upset and annoyed that they're kind of working, but they're not not working because they don't want to disappoint people or let people down or be perceived to be um failing or whatever it is.
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And then it creates a longer-term issue for them.
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Giving yourself that time to recharge is it pays that performance dividend because when you're at the stage where you're kind of running on fumes, I I've still as a coach, I sometimes get this where I'm like, something I don't take a I'm not so organized when I take a holiday later in the year, and you get through a stage that actually you just notice that you're depleted, like you make slow decisions, you don't tackle the big things, like you're responding to setbacks in different ways.
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And actually, a week away, you almost pays for itself the following week.
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You come back with like you say while you've been on a holiday, you've had click better thoughts, it's had time to think and process, you come back with sort of a simplified view in your head, you have more energy to tackle things.
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Welcome to the Pure Effect post bag.
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I'm James Johnson, joined by Freddie Burley.
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We ask for your questions, and Freddie and I are going to tackle them together.
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These aren't theoretical case studies, it's the stuff keeping you up at 2 a.m.
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Let's get answering.
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Welcome to Peer Effect Podcast.
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I'm James Johnson.
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I'm Freddie Burley.
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So we have a question from Anna.
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I feel like I can't go on holiday.
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Hashtag help.
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Um, have you seen this come up a lot in your coaching?
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Yeah, I actually just had a call with a uh new client, and they're like the thing that resonated the most was the idea that they might be able to go on holiday.
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Um again, they felt like so, like in that moment of just firefighting.
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Yeah.
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That even beyond the company goals, even like I'm clear that it's gonna help us be more successful.
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I'm clear, like I get all that, but actually the thing that most felt felt most good was the idea that I might actually be able to go away on holiday for uh a week.
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So I which I I don't know what you see, but that does feel quite common amongst founders, a sense of I can't step away.
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I think, especially in the very early stages, um people really struggle to prioritize anything but the company.
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It becomes kind of all-consuming and it demands a lot of you, and and also you you demand a lot of it, and and you're kind of two feet in.
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Um I I'm curious how you help people navigate that or what you've seen.
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So I think it feels like step one is kind of just realizing that that is how they're feeling and going.
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This is not this is not a feature so much as a bug.
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Like it slightly depends what stage of business you are.
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Like I think if if you're startup phase, I think it is harder because you don't have the team enough.
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But if you're like a most recent like so of series A, you have a management team in place or start makings of one.
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Yeah.
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Or if you don't, if you don't have that, if you don't have one, that that in itself is a problem that we're probably talking about.
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But and you feel and you still feel like you can't go away on holiday, it feels like there's probably two one of two things going on for me.
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Like one is there is there's something about just within you, like, are you not giving yourself permission to do it?
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Is it a control thing?
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Is it like a hangover from patterns of behaviour up to this point?
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Yeah.
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So is it something that is a just a hang-up that actually if you can acknowledge and step away from, which we can work on, like that is that is part of the solution, or that is a solution or part of the solution.
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But I think sometimes what comes out is that it's actually a rational fear because you haven't built the team to be able to do to be able to survive without you.
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So I always always say to my client, like, as a as a founder, you want to be like three months ahead.
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Particularly being on the business means you can almost uh trust the team to take care of the next three months, which has two benefits.
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One of which allows you to be in the future and planning and smoothing the way ahead, but also gives your team the gift of certainty around what they're focused on for the next three months.
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Yeah.
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And if you're in a stage where you're getting sort of you're living in the business and your team can expect you to suddenly appear and like sort of yank the steering wheel left and go, we're gonna do this.
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That's not great for you because you're stuck in the business.
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And it's not great for them because they can't commit to doing the projects that they're doing, knowing that it's likely to change.
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Yeah.
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And so this I feel like I can't go on holiday is a really interesting signal for me around what could be going on in the business.
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And that's my starting point would be like, what is going on?
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Is it a is it a you hang up or is it a is it a business reality, which probably is like diving into practicalities of like how you're setting the business up and also particularly the quality of your team?
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I think that that's such a great point because I feel this this question often comes up when I've worked with a lot of founders who in the first couple of years didn't take any holiday, but they weren't feeling like they wanted to take holiday.
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It was very much, no, like I'm all in, I'm completely committed, it feels right, I want to keep my focus here.
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It wasn't a question for them.
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And I think as soon as the feeling of like I need a break starts becoming a question, but you're like, oh, I haven't set up the infrastructure amount around me to be able to have a break.
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And also at the same time, if you haven't set up the infrastructure and you still need a break, then that's great data to be like, you don't have to have everything perfect to be able to take a holiday.
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And so the question often is a symptom of they clearly need a break.
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It's not, should I, what's the perfect setup as a founder and how should I perfectly organize my time so that I can is it wrong to not go on holiday?
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Is it right?
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It's like just do you.
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If you feel like you need a holiday, it's generally because you probably do need some form of recharge and break.
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And it can be a really great, like what you said, of actually sometimes stepping away from the business, it allows you to see like what's got legs and what doesn't, who steps up and who doesn't.
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Like it gives you a lot of data in in that pulling back.
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And it doesn't have to be like a huge holiday, go away for five days or four days and just say, like, I need this, and I'm gonna be, I'll be back in four days.
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And like the world's not gonna collapse.
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Um, but it does give you interesting data for what both you are craving and where you're the problem, like where you're the bottleneck, where you're still stuck in old patterns of behavior that are preventing or disempowering your team.
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And it gives you a chance to step back and be like, okay, where's the most impactful area for me to focus?
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What do I want to prioritize?
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Where am I still holding tasks, activities, management, responsibilities where actually I don't need to because the business has evolved and I haven't evolved.
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And it's actually my job to continue evolving and growing as a human being and focusing on what's most impactful and what's most important.
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And that's going to change a hundred percent every three months and often much faster than that.
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And so, you know, I think often you do need that sense of stepping back to be able to figure out what it is that you're stepping towards and what you're stepping into.
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And holiday is a great time for that.
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I often find too that I get some of my most creative ideas on planes, trains, when I'm moving between places.
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And also I often find like the first one or two days of my holiday is more just like a kind of come down from um day-to-day life, and and then you kind of sink in and you have new ideas and musings, and you can kind of tune into your body in a different way than when you're kind of in the day-to-day, or you're very head-based.
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I I think that's so true.
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So I think I think it tells us a five-day holiday is actually still that's still work in many ways.
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I mean taking aside the fact that self-care is an important part of your job, yeah.
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Just that thinking time, the travel, the new environment, the new triggers, the space to take a step back.
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I mean, so it kind of is work still, like you are still getting a work benefit from it.
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I do think it does say, like, flushes out sort of things for you to tweak by not being there.
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Yeah.
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And I also just wonder whether I think the other part I really like we said there is sort of taking a holiday doesn't necessarily mean going straight into like a sort of month away in the jungle, no, no comms.
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Although all power to you if that's what you're at.
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But it could it could just be, I mean, I think going, okay, I haven't taken one for two years, that's where you are.
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Yeah.
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Going, okay, I'll take a a three-day break.
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Yeah.
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Call me if you need me, be quite clear on like what your like what people's sort of decision making making power is.
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Yeah.
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But expect that you're not going to fully relax and you are gonna like like dabble, like, and then go maybe the second time you can go for four days and actually don't check your emails past seven o'clock.
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Whatever it is, like it doesn't have to be like a full, full you can build up confidence.
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It does feel like a skill, like learning how to go on holiday, learning how to delegate to your team.
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Like it's not sort of disappear and just hope for the best.
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Totally.
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And different seasons require different things from you.
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So there are some, like I've been on holidays where really important things have blown up on holiday and I've chosen to work.
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But I think the interesting part here is also more like getting to know yourself.
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Because what I've often seen with founders where it starts to get a bit, where it starts to get really challenging, is when they know they need time out, but they're not taking it.
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And so then they end up in this kind of limbo no man's land where they know they need to recharge because they're feeling like physically or mentally depleted, but they still they go on holiday and they work when they actually need to rest.
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And I think that that kind of limbo between kind of being half in and half out when they're genuinely burnt out or they genuinely need some time to properly recharge.
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And then what they're basically doing is they're kind of kicking the can down the road because they're they're going on holiday, they're feeling upset and annoyed that they're kind of working, but they're not not working because they don't want to disappoint people or let people down or be perceived to be um failing or whatever it is.
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And then it creates a longer-term issue for them.
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And so I think that most of this, like, I feel like I can't go on holiday, it's very much like what is it that you're needing and what is it that you're desiring, and like just being in like knowing yourself and and being able to then put boundaries around what you need so that you actually get those needs met, and then you can come back better, more present.
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Um, and yeah, and and just feeling feeling good.
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I'm trying to work out what percentages.
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I'm curious yours, like I suspect more than 50% of the fan as I work at some stage get this sense of like I'm I'm hitting a wall beyond beyond just being tired, it's like they need to reset something.
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And so it's kind of like giving giving yourself that time to recharge.
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It pays that performance dividend because when you're at the stage where you're kind of running on fumes, I I've still as a coach, I sometimes get this where I'm like some I don't take a I'm not not so organized when I take a holiday later in the year, and you get through a stage actually you just notice that you're depleted, like you make slur decisions, you don't tackle the big things, like you're responding to setbacks in different ways.
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And actually, a week away, you almost pays for itself the following week.
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You come back with like you say while you've been on holiday, you've had better thoughts, it's had time to think and process, you come back with sort of a simplified view in your head, you have more energy to tackle things that first week back, like all those things that seemed impossible a week ago, Sunday.
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Oh, I just get them done.
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And you're like, who knew?
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Holiday was so healing, like going, especially if you do things that work for you.
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Because I think that's the other part of like context of holidays.
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Different things recharge different people.
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And sometimes, like, I actually need to read.
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I'm like craving learning and knowledge, and like reading books re-inspires me.
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Other times I just want to be in like the sea, or I want to hike, or I want to be outside in nature and speak to absolutely no one.
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Other times I'm craving time with like my family and people I love.
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So knowing also what it is that you're after and what's going to genuinely recharge you as opposed to in theory recharge you.
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And some people like really intense sports holidays recharge them, or it's it's getting to know yourself and what works for you so that when you do take that time, you're you're serving the actual need, not like the theoretical need.
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I think that just being very deliberate around it sounds like a weird thing to say on holidays, but like actually being very deliberate on your holiday in terms of okay, ignore what everyone else says the holidays for them.
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Like, what what does a successful holiday look like for you?
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Because one thing I hear of quite, should I look at my emails or not on holiday?
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And personally, I find looking at them distracting.
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And I like being away from them entirely.
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But I do know quite a few fans who go, actually, no, I just the sense of like these emails are building up and I can't look at them.
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I'd much rather read them every morning.
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And then at least I know that That's it.
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That's what works for you.
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That's literally it.
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It's like, what there's no, there's no playbook, there's no write.
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There's just like figuring out through trial and error, like what works for you, and then doing more of it.
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And then what worked for you at some point will then change, and then it no longer works.
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And then you like experiment and trial and error with different things, and you like listen to other people's stories, take from it what you want, and then you try it on yourself and just be in tune and and then yeah, and then see.
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In unracies, we're selling the holiday playbook for exactly.
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How to have the perfect holiday for founders.
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I think maybe my final thought on this is actually if you're feeling it now, it's very hard to find time to have holiday next week or the week after.
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It's kind of this probably is a month ahead, six weeks ahead, when your diary is probably clear enough that you can move stuff out the way to create the space.
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But if you don't do it now, then that's wisdom.
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And that's honestly something that I need to apply better because often I end up doing it more last minute, and I'm like, oh great, I I need a holiday, so I'm gonna do this.
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And I find it quite almost scary to commit to a holiday in six months' time or eight months' time, because I'm like, I don't know who I'll be then.
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I don't know if I'm gonna want to go do that in eight months' time, but actually having it to look forward to as well does energize me.
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And so that commitment of knowing it's coming up, knowing I've got it to look forward to actually does feel really good.
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And sometimes when it's booked last minute, it ends up making me feel a little bit um like I'm never really ready for it.
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I didn't prepare in a way.
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Um so yeah, again, we all be learning, you know.
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I think it's been really, really good to talk it through.
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I think my takeaway from this is I still don't book enough holidays.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And still could do it much more deliberately in terms of what is the type of holiday that I want, how do I want to structure it and say have time to almost mentally prep for it.
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So by the time you hit it, you'll probably lean into it.
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Yeah, and you enjoy it.
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And I think my main takeaway is actually what you said at the beginning around noticing the need in you when you feel like you need a holiday and you can't and you feel like you can't take it, and thinking about okay, what's what amazing data is this giving me about how my business needs to evolve and where I currently can't step back, but I know I want to or I need to, and therefore, like how do I make those changes so that the infrastructure around me and the company is set up in a better way and that's more sustainable and scalable?
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Well, I think that's a good point to finish this day.
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If anyone wants to reach out and talk about holidays, you can catch us through LinkedIn.
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And uh we will see you for another episode soon.
