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Detroit Lions Talk.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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Thanks for tuning in to making Passing Time one of your weekly listens.
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Brian, this is episode number 54.
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Yep.
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And you're on the clock and you're passing time with us.
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A Cord Lions Podcast.
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I'm Rob.
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And I'm Brian.
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Simple podcast today.
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Breaking news, Terry and Arnold news.
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Brian?
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Terry and Arnold.
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Yep.
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We're going to dive into that.
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We're going to talk, we're going to talk about like best case scenario, worst case scenario, kind of a little bit of a legal dive into it, what they're looking for, how we can get off.
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Maybe the lion's spin on that.
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We're going to lead off with that, and then we're going to get right into a few hot takes from both of us on the lion season, which is going to be a little uh melancholy after you get through uh the Terry and Arnold news.
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Yep.
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I mean, so we started this like planning period thinking like, hey, let's do some hot takes, let's let's make it fresh, let's make it a little hot and make make things a little quick.
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And then uh the TA news broke, and uh we're uh had to shift a little bit.
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So we're recording this at 1120 um on a Wednesday evening, Brian.
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And uh yeah, we um we were just going hot take style, and then TA news came out, and uh we had to pivot, but just like any worldwide podcast would do, we we could pivot with the best of them.
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Yes, sir.
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Um so before we get into that, real quick, Brian, anything you want to tell the listeners?
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Yes, uh like, subscribe, uh, do the thing that you do, and uh, you know, help support the the pod, help us help us keep rolling.
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So yeah, I like it.
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So um Terry and Arnold legal situation, you know.
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I want to start this off.
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Uh first things first.
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Yep.
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He's uh he's innocent until proven guilty.
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Um no doubt about it.
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Allegations are not convictions in these cases, you know.
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Um, so uh Terry Arnold was arrested, and um there are allegations, but he has not been convicted of anything.
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The reports indicate that prosecutors are investigating whether Arnold had any involvement in a retaliatory incident after an alleged uh theft um down in an Airbnb in Florida.
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Yep.
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Um key legal question isn't whether he was present, because I think that's already been delineated.
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He's he's basically said he wasn't present.
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Um the key legal thing for him is whether prosecutors can prove that he planned it, directed it, financed it, or encouraged it on the alleged crimes.
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Um so um what the defense is gonna argue here, Brian, is um that he was a victim of theft.
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He never uh approved, ordered, he wasn't there, um he didn't witness it.
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Um text messages, phone records, and statements can be taken way out of context.
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And you know, the what you saw there wasn't really the implied meaning of those messages.
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For sure.
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And and even before we kind of roll into this, which which I I agree with, I I think we need to like dive into both sides and see where Terry Arnold lies and how does that impact you know our Detroit Lions in this process.
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But ultimately, what like the the incident itself started off with what?
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Like Terry and Arnold had$250,000 worth of merchandise and cash stolen out of a uh AR and B B that he had in Tampa, Florida.
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Is that right?
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That's right, yeah.
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Okay, and then associates of Terry and Arnold held some of these or found out who stole this stuff, found out who they were, kidnapped them, held them to gunpoint, and then got the the the merchandise returned, is that or just held them held them as a kidnapping, um, threatening their lives, kinda.
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Yeah, I mean threatening uh you know allegedly pistol whipping, beating, okay, um, and and and trying to get uh extract the the stuff back.
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Right.
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So um and in this process, the allegations are saying that Terry and Arnold was a part of that, correct?
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There was a messaging back and forth from these associates and Terry and Arnold.
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Uh I mean to take it out of the legal terms, it's basically saying that Terry and Arnold's crew basically were like, hey, we'll get your stuff back, we're gonna take matters in our own hands.
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Originally he called the cops, but then quickly uh his crew went in and kind of took upon themselves, you know, roughed them up and uh worked on getting the stuff back or making charges.
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Retaliation, vigilante, yeah, like we'll take we'll we'll do our own work.
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I mean, we can all relate to that, right?
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Like that would be, you know, somebody steals Brian's bike.
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Um me and four other guys go and we we can't find the bike, but we we make sure that the guide won't steal Brian's bike again, you know, and um and that we all kind of think about that.
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Like, hey, I want that that you know the person to pay for what they did.
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You know, that that self-justice, like like take it upon yourself to to take the matters in your own hands, you know.
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So um, you know, the the defense is gonna attempt to just basically all like and separate him from like what happened and basically say like, hey man, these are allegedly and then and what what messages you're looking at are way out of context, right?
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Um but if the prosecutor prosecutors can prove that he directed this incident, um this is a this is much more serious, and Brian, like um the scale here of his his term in in jail or prison is pretty significant, right?
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I mean we've read anything from like you can plead this down, you know, they might be able to to work on a deal, or it could be life in prison, right?
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I mean that yeah, I mean that's extreme.
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Extreme um anywhere from probation to life in prison.
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Right.
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That's two um wildly different outcomes.
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Um I I can you know tell you like it I doubtfully with with his representation is gonna be life in prison.
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Um, but even when that you gotta scale that back a little bit, it could be life without the NFL.
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Right, right.
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And it it may very well be the life without the Detroit Lions, but at the very least.
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Yeah, so um, you know, the prosecutors in the eyes of the law, if the prosecutors can prove that he planned a crime, that's nearly or as damaging as actually committing the crime.
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So it um you know exposure could be measured in years, not months.
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The statutory maximums are severe.
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Um plea deals often result in lower sentences, um, but they result in sentences, especially when it's when it's tough.
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So um for for TA and the defense and the prosecution, you know, what matters most here is the phone records, the text messages, are there venmos back and forth, are there financial transactions, um location data.
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We're all pinging off uh everything.
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There's uh you know, cameras now, the flock cameras everywhere, right?
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Um, and then testimony from anybody cooperating.
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You know, he's got a group of best buds, but when those guys are getting the book thrown at him, they might not fall on the sword for TA.
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Right.
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And it and it sounds like right now the testimony from these guys um is what the the prosecution is relying on.
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Um and you know, what kind of deal have they have they offered though those uh the crew, if you will, and uh, you know, what is their motivation in order to either protect or not um to Terry and Arnold in this process.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, as Lions fans, um right now this is a this is a legal story, not a football story, though he's not gonna be at least for a period of time on the football front.
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And that makes you start to think um when it came comes to OTAs, and you see Terry and Arnold working on the second field with the second team defense versus the first field and the first team defense.
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Um, does that is that telling?
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Um, when they add questions to Dan Campbell and you ask him, hey, why is Terrian working over there?
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He's got to earn his position.
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He, you know, you see Ennis Regstrah, you see DJ Reed, you see Rocky Sin, you know, working on that that first team um defense, you know, getting first team reps at corner.
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Um, is that telling?
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Yeah, um I would say yes, that's that's very telling right now.
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Um, but the lions in the NFL are typically a little bit slower to react.
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Sure.
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You look at the Rashi Rice, you know, deal, very different.
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Um, but the NFL is still trying to wait to react on that.
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I don't know, we're you know, 18 months from kind of when that incident, but the legal process is kind of playing out, and there's been some reaction, but not full reaction to that.
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And and the Lions, you know, continue to hold themselves to a standard of character, um, football etiquette, and uh, you know, good people uh in their room.
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So are they going to allow even this distraction to be a distraction, or are they going to cut ties regardless of the the legal outcomes of this of this issue?
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Yeah, and you know, the lions went um, you know, the angle of culture, right?
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They've been talking about culture.
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Um, Campbell was hired to deliver culture.
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Um, and that this could be something that severely interferes with that culture.
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100%.
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And right now, the the statement the Lions have just given out, it says that there's no comment, they don't want to interfere with the legal process, which you know makes sense.
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They're gonna let the the prosecutors, they're gonna let the the the courts do their job.
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Um, they're gonna let the NFL determine whether this is something that they need to intervene with um first.
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And uh, you know, I'm I'm sure TA has told the lines of story, um, and they have to like either trust TA in his process and and his um and his word um or not.
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So yeah.
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Um, you know, we'll stick to the north.
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Uh there's been Josh Jacobs, you know, has been like um basically not allegedly, I think they're they're basically saying like something happened.
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Yeah, he was doing that, and the NFL hasn't reacted.
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And this is now uh a month or so past, right?
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So this is gonna be very slow moving.
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Hopefully, TA's lawyers get him out of jail, um, which she probably will be out of jail very quickly and let this all play out in core, but man, um this is gonna be um significant news story for a while.
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Yep, and uh you know, it it makes you think like you bolstered your defensive backs, you brought in some youth, you brought in some veterans, and uh maybe you're you're dependent on these guys because you knew a little bit more about this story going through.
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So I mean that's speculation.
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Very, very speculative.
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Um, so we what we want you guys to take from from what was the the diatribe right there.
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I think there's three major bullet points, Brian.
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Until actual charges, evidence, court filings are fully vetted.
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This is just kind of a wait and see situation.
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Yeah, you get we don't know.
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I'm not a legal prosecutor, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.
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All I'm all I'm doing is reading on acts and determining what I I should believe or not believe.
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So um the range of outcomes here is uh is giant, right?
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Yeah, I mean it's it's all the way from you know life in prison to and we talked about that, yeah.
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Almost almost, yeah, almost nothing, right?
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And um at this stage, no third bullet point, at this stage, nobody outside the investigation truly knows um which end of the spectrum we're on.
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You know, the the prosecution's gonna lead with uh the most serious charge to the you know the life in prison, and the defense is gonna say, like, hey, like uh we should get this dropped, it shouldn't even be in the courts, right?
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And like so we're here at the the kind of the forefront of this, and and there's a whole range of outcomes that could happen.
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And you know, we could be a hot takey with this too, but the reality is we're just breaking the news to you that we've received that we know of, and uh take it for what it is.
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So, yeah, so um stay tuned.
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This will be a uh probably a weekly update on the podcast.
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Yeah, um, we don't have a good lawyer friend, we have doctors, teachers, financiers, you know, pilots, and all the fun things, but um we gotta hey reach out to us if you're if you're a legal person and kind of help us uh run through this.
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Yeah.
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On a much more fun podcast side, yeah.
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Take a deep breath.
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Let's let's let's let's put that heaviness of uh aside because like as Lions fans, I feel like we've been there before.
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We've been there in in our history where like the off-season takes on this kind of crap, right?
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And instead of like getting better, we gotta rely on or we gotta talk about the the JMOs getting in trouble for for gambling or the assaults and batteries, or if you go back in the day, the going through a drive-thru naked, you know, and so on, right?
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You know, the the lions have their their stories, and uh you know, I I felt I feel pretty good about the the history, you know, the current history, um, not having that until now.
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Yeah.
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Um so let's lead into like um some more fun stuff.
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So um Brian, um we both got kind of two and a half hot takes for the year, right?
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And um I'm gonna let you drive here for your for your hot take and kind of introduce what we're doing, how we're doing it.
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Okay, so we're gonna talk about a couple hot takes.
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Some something for the 26-27 season.
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What do you see happening?
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What are some what are some takeaways that we can get from this season now, way too early.
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Um predictions such as Brian's hot take number one.
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Brian's hot take number one, Jameer Gibbs will lead the league in all-purpose yards.
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Um he will then be in the market, if not winning, offensive player of the year, um 210, or I'm sorry, 2,100 all-purpose yards, scoring 18 to 20 touchdowns.
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Um, if you look at this, no David Montgomery to share to share um runs with, there's to share snaps with.
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Um, Isaiah Pacheco might take a little load off of him in short yardage.
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Um, but Gibbs is gonna be the true workhorse here.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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So, what does Vegas say about kind of your hot take?
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Well, they agree.
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So, so I I came up with this hot take.
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I was like, oh, I'm pretty excited about this, and then um, so Vegas got it first.
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So uh tell them what Vegas thinks.
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All right, Vegas is is is giving you uh plus 750 on Jameer Gibbs as of now as the offensive player of the year for 2026.
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Where does that rank amongst all offensive players?
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He is the first uh most likely most likely to receive that bajan robinson at 800 plus 800, uh Jamar Chase at 850, and Puka Nakua at plus 1100.
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So um we're gonna dip the pinky toe in the water there with the with the first hot take, but I like it.
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Uh it's it's a good hot take.
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I think you know Drew Petsing uh like is here to get the most out of Jameer Gibbs, right?
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And like that's been talked about quite a bit where he's gonna utilize him quite a bit.
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Um this is kind of a weird one because I was thinking about this.
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Um, I made this.
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We're sitting here, we're we're we've been doing our homework thinking about this.
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Um, but there's a name on this list that might end up being very prominent based on the breaking news tonight.
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So um, my first thought take is the the rookie defensive trio of Derek Moore, Jimmy Rolder, and Keith Abney will be playing meaningful snaps in games that matter.
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Um so let me just give you a breakdown of these guys.
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Again, Derek Moore led Michigan in both sacks, tackles for a loss, despite playing under 40 snaps per game.
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Michigan rotated guys.
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They had first wave, they had second wave, they actually had third wave.
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They really believed in keeping guys fresh throughout the game.
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Um posted a 17.5% pressure rate, one of the best in the Big Ten.
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Um playing opposite of Hutchinson uh means offensive can't slide protection his way.
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So in college, everything slid his way.
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Um in Detroit, everything slides Aiden's way to an extreme level.
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So he's gonna be out basically.
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I mean, he has to win some of his one-on-ones, and um you know, Holmes traded up for him.
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Um this is not a developmental edge that we're working with.
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This is a guy that we saw, we took, he's an edge setter, he's a run stuffer, but he's also proven that he can get tackles for loss, sacks, and be a disruptor.
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Um, so I think he finishes with you know somewhere in that seven, eight, nine, ten plus sacks on the year.
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Okay.
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Um, and and partially the credit should go to Aiden and you know the the middle of that defensive line as well.
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Um, but he's gonna be the guy that they're like, you know what?
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Make this guy beat us, and I think he's gonna win that battle.
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So that's guy number one.
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Number one.
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Okay.
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Do you have a comment there?
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I I like it.
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Like uh Jimmy, uh sorry, Derek Moore is uh the guy that when we drafted him, I had some question marks and I had to go back and do some of my my homework.
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Um, and I the more I'm more I'm watching this guy, and the more I I you know go back and watch those Michigan games, uh, outside of just being a fan, but but more of being like doing that research, um, you find that he he's a player.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, so excited about that.
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Um, second is Jimmy Rolder.
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Um, again, I'll give you a little background on him.
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Um, led Michigan tackles last year, 73 tackles, um, had an interception, solid in coverage.
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Coaches are already been praising him.
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He's been name-dropped multiple times by coaches, players uh during spring practice.
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Recorded a pick during mini camp.
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Okay.
00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.319
Um, classic Dan Campbell traits.
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One of the reasons they drafted him.
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You know, smart, physical, he has special teams value.
00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:53.200
Um, I think he wins a role similar to when Malcolm Rodriguez was playing his most football with Detroit his rookie year.
00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:53.759
Okay.
00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.319
So meaningful snaps.
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Um, and last, uh give me a chance to any any comment there.
00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:01.279
No, not yet.
00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:01.680
Okay.
00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:02.000
Go ahead.
00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.920
Uh Keith Abney.
00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:13.279
Uh this uh defensive back plays multiple positions, has played corner, has played nickel, has played safety.
00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:21.279
Um last year, 21 pass breakups, five interceptions over his uh last, I guess, 25 stars.
00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:27.839
First team all Big 12, known for being physical, being versatile, ultra athletic.
00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:32.000
Um Lions love DBs who can play multiple spots.
00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:40.799
Just so happens that some guy might be boxed out by some steel bars, and there might be some more opportunity to play.
00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:41.119
Right.
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:53.200
So I'm thinking, you know, I I was thinking by you know Thanksgiving, December, Abney's getting on the field and in some kind of regular third down package, nickel package.
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.680
That could be pressed a little bit forward with the news that we're talking about right now.
00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:58.799
And that's fair.
00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.920
And I I don't know yet.
00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:13.680
I would have to see because I I love Roger McCreary and what he is bringing to that slot position right now and what he has to offer in his at least his experience.
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:17.039
He still has it.
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.599
It sounds like he he can play.
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:25.920
And I would say that that slot position is going to be tough to overtake him right now.
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:32.960
And then you can also offer Brian Branch if he ever comes back and still has that opportunity to fill in that role too.
00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.839
As a backup, you know, or as a as a as a last case scenario.
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:42.160
Outside, I would say it's going to deal with health, right?
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:46.400
You still have Rocky Sin, who I think fits very well into the scheme.
00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:50.400
And Kelvin Shepard likes likes Rock, what he has to offer.
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:54.480
He's not the highest of high, but he's definitely not the lowest of low.
00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.400
So he just is steady.
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Solid as a rock.
00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:01.440
So consistent.
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And if you tap into an NSR who we have not seen yet, if that guy can stay healthy, you know, you you might have lightning in a bottle.
00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.200
So it would be tough to crack those two spots, but maybe.
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Maybe.
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.160
And it's a hot take.
00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:19.599
So I get it.
00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.799
And then rolling back a little bit to Jimmy Rolder.
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.039
I'm interested.
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I I definitely heard the name pop up with coaches, and I like that about him.
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.359
I like the the praise that they're giving him.
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:47.759
I just also know that Kelvin Shepard, and we'll get into this in a second, is gonna be a little bit more apt to adjust and not play that three-backer scheme or that base scheme nearly as much.
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:55.200
He's going to go to the nickel because I think that's who we have, the the the personnel who can support that.
00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:59.440
And so that limiting the meaningful snaps.
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.759
So is he gonna overtake then Derek Barnes at that spot?
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.640
That would be that would be your question mark.
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:07.279
Surprising.
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:08.319
It's gonna be surprising.
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:09.599
Shepard loves Barnes, right?
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:10.000
Exactly.
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:10.880
He's on record, yeah.
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.759
Shepard says, like, he's my he's my little brother.
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.000
You know, he's he's a guy that he looks after.
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:20.559
He he wants to give him every opportunity to be successful.
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.839
Um, so overtaking Derek Barnes is gonna be difficult.
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:24.079
Yeah.
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:29.599
Unless an injury happens or Derek Barnes just can't get the job done.
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:36.799
So I think you know, when we are recording this podcast later on, we'll be talking about uh Brad Holmes' masterclass draft.
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.480
You know, we haven't talked about the first rounder and what he's gonna do.
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.599
In this podcast, we've talked about a previous podcast, uh, Blake Miller.
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.759
Um, but I think we're gonna get back to like, well, Brad Holmes, like at it.
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.279
You hit this one out of the park.
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.119
So Brian's hot take number two.
00:24:53.440 --> 00:25:01.759
All right, so I'm looking at the defensive side of the ball, which is interesting to say because we developed these hot takes before the TA news.
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:08.799
But even with the TA news, I'm gonna say that the Detroit Lions are a top 10 defense in the NFL.
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.720
They are woo.
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:29.920
Can you imagine let's be honest though, last year, even with Dan Campbell calling plays, um, they fired John Morton or pushed him into the booth, they the yeah, they were still a top five offense.
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:30.880
Yeah.
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:42.640
So now if you pair uh uh an offensive like that, who I feel like got better, with a top ten defense, the sky's the limit.
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:50.160
A top ten defense, I mean, you're talking, you know, the you're hitting the button on a potential Super Bowl contender.
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.519
You and we'll get to there too.
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:51.839
Okay.
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.200
Okay, we'll get to there too.
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.000
But uh, I'm looking at, okay, a healthy Ali McNeil.
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:01.200
There is such a difference, and I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:13.119
There is such a difference between your off-season prep work when you're rehabbing an injury versus your off-season prep work when you are healthy and ready to prepare for the next season.
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.240
He's ready to prepare for the next season.
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.759
And he, if you ask him, you've seen it in his interviews as well.
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.559
Night and day difference right now.
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.119
Same with Aiden Hutchinson.
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.960
Like, he's not rehabbing anymore, he's getting better, you know.
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:38.799
DJ more our DJ Reed is is uh gone through his his rehabs, he's getting healthy, he's he's getting better, you know.
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:47.839
So we have these guys in spots that are now healthy that we were expecting to be top of their game when they came back, but they just weren't.
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:58.720
So before you hit that button online super bowl and you're buying into this hype, let me tell you why it's a hot take.
00:26:58.960 --> 00:26:59.279
Okay.
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.160
We just talked about Terry and Arnold.
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:02.559
Yeah.
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:03.119
Okay.
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.960
We talked about uh Enos Rakstraw.
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.759
Like I you gotta see something before you you can believe something, right?
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:12.799
Completely agree.
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.200
Um, we talked about Brian Branch.
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.640
Is he gonna be a contributor by December?
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:32.319
I think with the depth, depth, depth that we've created, we are have made it available for us to get to week five or six and bring Brian Branch and not force him back fast.
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.480
So five or six, that's yeah, that's early.
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.119
That's early in the in the in the timeline, right?
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:46.160
But I'm also hearing other stories about Brian Branch looking looking good, not not healthy, but but good in this process.
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.039
Was he chewing on bark with Aaron Rodgers getting that all?
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.240
He might have been, you know.
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.559
Aaron Rodgers came back quick too from an Achilles.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.119
He can't run, but he he came back quick.
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.799
So different style of athlete.
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.160
So also, also, Kirby Joseph.
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.920
Uh, he's not, I mean, he's testing it out.
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:09.039
Uh you know, we we're gone, a DJ like there's reader.
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.759
There's a there's a lot of question marks.
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:24.240
Uh, and and if what I'm saying is true, with we're gonna rely on a rookie edge, we're gonna talk about a rookie third linebacker, Keith Abney's gonna play some meaningful snaps.
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.359
Um, basically, what you're saying is like, you know, hey, we have depth.
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:36.799
You're basically saying our number twos are so good, they're better than two-thirds of the league's number ones.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.880
I don't, I no, I can't say that.
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:46.400
I can't say that, but together as a unit, I believe that they can play to that level.
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.759
Okay, I want to be the devil's advocate for your appreciate that.
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.359
So I do think that Kirby comes back and gives gives us something.
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.799
I don't know if he gives us a full season, but he gives us something.
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.920
Brian Branch, as the season goes on, will give us something as well.
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:09.279
Again, we talked just talked about Alien McNeil and and Aiden Hutchinson and you know DJ Reed coming off of injury and being healthy.
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.799
He is not gonna be the Brian Branch of the beginning of last season or or before.
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:20.160
He's gonna be coming off of injury and rehabbing and continuing to work back into form.
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.960
We're hoping that he can be the Brian Branch we know by playoffs.
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.359
Yeah, that um I like it.
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:28.720
That makes me excited.
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.160
I'd be very happy if that happens.
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:40.559
So um, my hot take, number two, okay, Sam Laporta finishes at a top three NFL tight end.
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:49.039
Oh, so I'm talking 90 plus catches, a thousand yards, and finishes in the top three at the position.
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:56.079
And there's some extremely intriguing tight ends out there that put up staggering numbers, right?
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:06.559
And so that let me ask you this like might not be on your list right now, but there's already been negotiations with San Laporta in contracts.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:08.720
Do do we sign him now?
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.319
You better strike right now while you got the injury stink all over this guy, right?
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.039
Um, so Drew Petzing uh built Arizona's offense around tight ends.
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:27.839
Arizona ranked uh top 10 in 12 personnel usage and number one in 13 personnel usage uh last year.
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:37.279
Um Trey McBride led the league in tight end targets, tight end receptions, um, and receiving yards in 2025.
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.480
I'm Capboy David's advocate with this as well.
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.799
Yeah, you can let me get through a couple more bullet points and then and then well.
00:30:44.960 --> 00:31:01.599
But if you have something that you are right there hot and bothered on, like we talk about 10, 12, 13 personnel with Drew Pet Sing a ton, but we're we're talking about that because he's coming from Arizona who didn't have a wide receiver who could catch a ball, right?
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:10.960
So when we say Drew Pet Sing relied or developed 13 personnel, yeah, because the three tight ends were his best players.
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:26.480
And if we if he had an Aman Ras A Brown, uh Jameson Williams, and uh uh Isaac Tesla, in addition to Sam Laporta, I I'm guessing, I'm I'm only guessing, that he wouldn't run 13 personnel nearly as much.
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.440
So do you think the Lions are top 10 in the league in 13 personnel?
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.079
No.
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:40.640
Okay, so like this guy is known to find some success with it, and we have a actually an upgraded tight end room.
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:46.240
I believe that Drew Petsang is known for finding what works for his team.
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:53.599
Okay, and so if that means he's going to f force what works that he's had in the past, then I don't want him anymore.
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.599
I want him to work with what he has.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.839
And I I I like Tyler Conklin, I think he's okay, you know.
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.799
I like Brock Wright, I think he's okay, but he is not he's not Sam Laporta.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.599
All right, so we uh you know he's definitely not Trey McBride, you know, those guys.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:17.279
So what we have is a good tight end, number one, and we have some support for him.
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.319
Yeah, we also have some really good wide receivers, there's no doubt about it.
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:31.680
Okay, so um, and those wide receivers will take pressure off of the tight end, which he's really figured out good ways to locate those tight ends.
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.440
Um, I I do think the Lions are gonna have a good offense this year.
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:48.319
I think they're gonna struggle on defense, and I think what better way to help a defense out than grinding it out on offense and killing clock, right?
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.000
So, again, that's targeting your tight ends, targeting your tight ends.
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.400
Keep your tight ends out there, letting Jameer Gibbs eat to your first hot take.
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:03.440
Um, so Lions specifically noted when they hired Petsy and he prioritizes tight ends.
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.160
That was one of the bullet points that they talked about, right?
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.640
So um Conklin, right, they're they're they're heavier, they're bigger.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.359
They can go those big packages and they can feature Laporta in those packages.
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.200
They can be your blocking tight ends.
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.640
Laporta, you know, he's at prime years of his career.
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.759
Um, Goff trusts him, he's already earned that trust.
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.480
You know, Goff's been around for 11 years.
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:36.880
He this is going into his 11th season, and he he understands you know where his bread is buttered, and and Laporta's a guy that he's come to trust.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.799
Um, defenses, they gotta account for Gibbs, they gotta account for Amon Ross St.
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.359
Brown, yeah, they gotta account for J-mo.
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.000
I agree.
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.359
Tesla's gonna stick his big frame in there, they gotta account for him.
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.160
There's gonna be there's gonna be space on the field for a guy.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:34:03.839
So I think Petsing is going to take that familiarity with McBride, and and McBride didn't break out really until he's about Laporta's tenure in the NFL.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.920
And he's gonna say, you know what, I got I gotta I got a McBride Jr.
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.719
And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna feed him.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.119
Okay.
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.880
And I'm not gonna disagree that Sam Laporta is gonna get his.
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:22.000
I the only thing that I'm going to to disagree with is the the personnel that he'll use in order to feed him.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:33.280
I think he's going to utilize Amin Ra and J Mo to take the top off and Gibbs to to spread the the defense in order to still feature Sam Laporta.
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:33.840
Okay.
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:34.400
All right.
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:39.119
Um, some data, you know, to if you want to take this to your betting app.
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We don't condone betting.
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.480
We're not a betting advice.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:43.599
Podcast.
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.480
Um, if you want to put a uh a one or two shackle as in a dollar bill or two dollar bills.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.280
Um uh comeback player of the year.
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.679
Uh Sam Laporte is listed on the you know the top 20, 25 people.
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.000
He's coming in at plus five thousand.
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.639
So an outside shot right there, you know.
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.440
Uh put your dollar in now.
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:14.960
The big names ahead of him are Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, Kyler Murray, Malik Neighbors, Daniel Jones, Micah Parsons.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.000
Um uh but there's some guys down there.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.119
George Kittle.
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.440
There's some guys down there, Laura Bosa.
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.199
Yeah, so all right.
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:31.760
So, anyways, you know, um I guess I'll go back to back here and I'll tie in my first take with another take.
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:32.880
This will be quick.
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:41.119
Um this supports defense, so I don't want to talk about two sides of the mouth, but you can see it.
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.119
I smell what you're stepping in, Brian.
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:44.000
Thank you.
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:56.719
Um and I talked a little bit about Derek Moore at the beginning, and we haven't given enough, we haven't put enough respect on the interior of the Lions defensive line yet.
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:08.239
Um, but because of that, I think the Lions lead the NFL and sacks and produce two double-digit sat guys this year.
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:08.800
Okay.
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.280
Um Hutchinson's healthy.
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.079
Is he your first double-digit sack guy?
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.079
Um Hutchinson is my first double-digit sack guy.
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.880
Matter of fact, he could get, you know, that the guy is good enough to go for 20, right?
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:23.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.639
But because he's so good, you got the guy on the other side that's just gonna get like a tremendous opportunity to make some plays.
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.480
Um you you got some guys in the middle that are just gonna collapse the pocket.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:41.519
They're gonna have the quarterback scrambling out, and and and the lines are gonna clean up on the edge.
00:36:41.840 --> 00:37:05.519
Um, and hopefully we get a little bit better secondary play than last year, um, which buys those edges a little bit more time to and I'm a still a true believer that the more you pressure a quarterback, the less the less you need your DBs to hold their ground, to to be tight in those in those times.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:12.639
Um before we were like we were not getting pressured in a timely manner, allowing our corners to have to cover for longer, right?
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:19.280
Hopefully, we can get a uh a little bit better of a pressure rate, a quicker pressure rate, and allow our corners to cover for less.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.800
So we were we're famously wrong on the Davenport call, right?
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:23.679
We were way wrong.
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:24.800
We were way wrong.
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.280
Um and uh there's it's all on record, right?
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.559
There's nothing we can say about it.
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.440
Yeah, um, but I'm we're gonna be so right on this one, man.
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.320
Um so I I feel good about it.
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:44.960
Um I I I think you can you know you can press the button on uh on the the Lions.
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:55.119
Um I I think I don't know what the the data suggests, but Derek Moore could be a sneaky defensive rookie of the year type guy because he's probably getting pretty good odds.
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.840
But Brian, I don't want to take away you have a uh final bonus hot take.
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.599
Final bonus hot take.
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:10.320
The Detroit Lions, our Detroit Lions are gonna make it back to the NFC Championship game.
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:11.199
Yep.
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:34.800
I think with a with a fourth place schedule going into this season, I think they come out of it with a 12-5 regular season record, they win the NFC North, and they are in a pretty good spot to meet the LA Rams in the NFC Championship game.
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.280
That would be dramatic, right?
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.920
That'd make for great cinema.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.400
Yep.
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.519
They met in the playoffs before, you got the Stafford narrative, you got the golf narrative.
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Um Woo! Yep.
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Uh the podcast before and after, you won't want to miss that one.
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I'm excited.
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I don't I'm sweating bullets already thinking about it.
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So yeah, so uh and the NFC winner by Vegas is Rams are plus 295, the probable first place kind of but the Lions are plus 930, and they're in the top five, uh coming in at fifth.
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So um man, what a dichotomy of a podcast.
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We we start off with real tough news on TA.
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Um, and maybe if we could put a bow on it, is that man?
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I think the Lions, um, you you you said it earlier, they they've got a lot more depth this year.
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So um I don't think missing TA, and I we're we're a better team with him.
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I don't think missing him is going to tank the season.
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I think there's a couple other guys that like would really, really hurt.
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You know, if Gibbs goes down, if Goff goes down, um, if Penet goes down, if Hutch goes down, that's like, hey, we might as well play for next year.
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I think you know, TA goes down, it's like, well, we didn't see much of them last year, and um maybe we'll have less defensive holdings this year, right?
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Um yeah, I I can't I couldn't say it better myself.
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Well, it's because you said that yourself, yeah.
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:17.519
So um in uh Brian, a couple other fun data points I was just kind of pulling off.
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Um, Protector of the Year, Pinnae's uh best odds at plus 500 to be the best offensive lineman, hypothetically, this year.
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Um, one thing I found interesting is Coach of the Year.
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Um John Harbaugh is uh number one at plus six hundred.
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Number two is Jesse Minter at plus nine hundred.
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You gotta scroll way, way down at plus 2800, and you get a Dan Campbell down there, um, which is pretty fascinating.
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I think he is in the scheme of things, he's on the lower half of that.
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So um with a fourth place schedule, that could be kind of a fun one to kind of play around with a little bit.
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Um Pistons trade away beef stew today for three second rounders.
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First, first overall or first round pick was first round pick, uh Aquare out of uh Stanford, they traded up for him.
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17 overall.
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Yeah, draft coverage is terrible because there are so many trades going on.
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Brian, you you were talking, I don't I don't need you to recite it perfectly, but like talk about the second round picks in the NFL quickly.
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So they were talking about the second round picks.
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I heard this on the radio, and uh they're talking about of the 30 second-round picks, only four of them stayed with the team that actually had them to start with.
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So 26 of those picks had been traded.
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And of those 26 picks, they had been traded not just once, like 26 times, but they've been traded multiple times, upwards in the 70s of times.
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There was uh we were talking, I was talking about it before this.
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There was one particular pick that was traded back and forth between the same team upwards to eight times.
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So that's wild.
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That they treat their picks quite a bit differently.
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You know, we talk about Campbell being willy-nilly with his picks.
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Yeah, yeah, the NBA with their second rounders, it's just wild.
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Um, Tigers news, stick a fork in them.
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They're done.
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Lost again today.
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Lost they lost a scuble start.
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They should trade Scoobyl.
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Um, put a fork in them.
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Um Red Wings News.
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Um Larkin.
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Is he gonna get traded?
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Are they gonna force him to stay?
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Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.
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Interesting stuff.
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Brian Gunn, uh, if you're an odds maker and I gave you even money on Larkin being a Red Wing next year, which side would you take?
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I'm leaning towards they're going to make Larkin a Red Wing next year.
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Okay, yeah.
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I'm on the same side of that.
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Yeah.
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Detroit Lions Talk.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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Thanks for tuning in to making Passing Time one of your weekly listens.
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Brian, this is episode number 54.
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Yep.
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And you're on the clock and you're passing time with us.
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A Cord Lions Podcast.
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I'm Rob.
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And I'm Brian.
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Simple podcast today.
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Breaking news, Terry and Arnold news.
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Brian?
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Terry and Arnold.
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Yep.
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We're going to dive into that.
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We're going to talk, we're going to talk about like best case scenario, worst case scenario, kind of a little bit of a legal dive into it, what they're looking for, how we can get off.
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Maybe the lion's spin on that.
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We're going to lead off with that, and then we're going to get right into a few hot takes from both of us on the lion season, which is going to be a little uh melancholy after you get through uh the Terry and Arnold news.
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Yep.
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I mean, so we started this like planning period thinking like, hey, let's do some hot takes, let's let's make it fresh, let's make it a little hot and make make things a little quick.
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And then uh the TA news broke, and uh we're uh had to shift a little bit.
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So we're recording this at 1120 um on a Wednesday evening, Brian.
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And uh yeah, we um we were just going hot take style, and then TA news came out, and uh we had to pivot, but just like any worldwide podcast would do, we we could pivot with the best of them.
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Yes, sir.
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Um so before we get into that, real quick, Brian, anything you want to tell the listeners?
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Yes, uh like, subscribe, uh, do the thing that you do, and uh, you know, help support the the pod, help us help us keep rolling.
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So yeah, I like it.
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So um Terry and Arnold legal situation, you know.
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I want to start this off.
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Uh first things first.
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Yep.
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He's uh he's innocent until proven guilty.
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Um no doubt about it.
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Allegations are not convictions in these cases, you know.
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Um, so uh Terry Arnold was arrested, and um there are allegations, but he has not been convicted of anything.
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The reports indicate that prosecutors are investigating whether Arnold had any involvement in a retaliatory incident after an alleged uh theft um down in an Airbnb in Florida.
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Yep.
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Um key legal question isn't whether he was present, because I think that's already been delineated.
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He's he's basically said he wasn't present.
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Um the key legal thing for him is whether prosecutors can prove that he planned it, directed it, financed it, or encouraged it on the alleged crimes.
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Um so um what the defense is gonna argue here, Brian, is um that he was a victim of theft.
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He never uh approved, ordered, he wasn't there, um he didn't witness it.
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Um text messages, phone records, and statements can be taken way out of context.
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And you know, the what you saw there wasn't really the implied meaning of those messages.
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For sure.
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And and even before we kind of roll into this, which which I I agree with, I I think we need to like dive into both sides and see where Terry Arnold lies and how does that impact you know our Detroit Lions in this process.
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But ultimately, what like the the incident itself started off with what?
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Like Terry and Arnold had$250,000 worth of merchandise and cash stolen out of a uh AR and B B that he had in Tampa, Florida.
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Is that right?
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That's right, yeah.
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Okay, and then associates of Terry and Arnold held some of these or found out who stole this stuff, found out who they were, kidnapped them, held them to gunpoint, and then got the the the merchandise returned, is that or just held them held them as a kidnapping, um, threatening their lives, kinda.
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Yeah, I mean threatening uh you know allegedly pistol whipping, beating, okay, um, and and and trying to get uh extract the the stuff back.
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Right.
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So um and in this process, the allegations are saying that Terry and Arnold was a part of that, correct?
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There was a messaging back and forth from these associates and Terry and Arnold.
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Uh I mean to take it out of the legal terms, it's basically saying that Terry and Arnold's crew basically were like, hey, we'll get your stuff back, we're gonna take matters in our own hands.
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Originally he called the cops, but then quickly uh his crew went in and kind of took upon themselves, you know, roughed them up and uh worked on getting the stuff back or making charges.
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Retaliation, vigilante, yeah, like we'll take we'll we'll do our own work.
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I mean, we can all relate to that, right?
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Like that would be, you know, somebody steals Brian's bike.
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Um me and four other guys go and we we can't find the bike, but we we make sure that the guide won't steal Brian's bike again, you know, and um and that we all kind of think about that.
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Like, hey, I want that that you know the person to pay for what they did.
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You know, that that self-justice, like like take it upon yourself to to take the matters in your own hands, you know.
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So um, you know, the the defense is gonna attempt to just basically all like and separate him from like what happened and basically say like, hey man, these are allegedly and then and what what messages you're looking at are way out of context, right?
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Um but if the prosecutor prosecutors can prove that he directed this incident, um this is a this is much more serious, and Brian, like um the scale here of his his term in in jail or prison is pretty significant, right?
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I mean we've read anything from like you can plead this down, you know, they might be able to to work on a deal, or it could be life in prison, right?
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I mean that yeah, I mean that's extreme.
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Extreme um anywhere from probation to life in prison.
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Right.
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That's two um wildly different outcomes.
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Um I I can you know tell you like it I doubtfully with with his representation is gonna be life in prison.
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Um, but even when that you gotta scale that back a little bit, it could be life without the NFL.
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Right, right.
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And it it may very well be the life without the Detroit Lions, but at the very least.
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Yeah, so um, you know, the prosecutors in the eyes of the law, if the prosecutors can prove that he planned a crime, that's nearly or as damaging as actually committing the crime.
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So it um you know exposure could be measured in years, not months.
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The statutory maximums are severe.
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Um plea deals often result in lower sentences, um, but they result in sentences, especially when it's when it's tough.
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So um for for TA and the defense and the prosecution, you know, what matters most here is the phone records, the text messages, are there venmos back and forth, are there financial transactions, um location data.
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We're all pinging off uh everything.
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There's uh you know, cameras now, the flock cameras everywhere, right?
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Um, and then testimony from anybody cooperating.
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You know, he's got a group of best buds, but when those guys are getting the book thrown at him, they might not fall on the sword for TA.
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Right.
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And it and it sounds like right now the testimony from these guys um is what the the prosecution is relying on.
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Um and you know, what kind of deal have they have they offered though those uh the crew, if you will, and uh, you know, what is their motivation in order to either protect or not um to Terry and Arnold in this process.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, as Lions fans, um right now this is a this is a legal story, not a football story, though he's not gonna be at least for a period of time on the football front.
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And that makes you start to think um when it came comes to OTAs, and you see Terry and Arnold working on the second field with the second team defense versus the first field and the first team defense.
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Um, does that is that telling?
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Um, when they add questions to Dan Campbell and you ask him, hey, why is Terrian working over there?
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He's got to earn his position.
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He, you know, you see Ennis Regstrah, you see DJ Reed, you see Rocky Sin, you know, working on that that first team um defense, you know, getting first team reps at corner.
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Um, is that telling?
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Yeah, um I would say yes, that's that's very telling right now.
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Um, but the lions in the NFL are typically a little bit slower to react.
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Sure.
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You look at the Rashi Rice, you know, deal, very different.
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Um, but the NFL is still trying to wait to react on that.
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I don't know, we're you know, 18 months from kind of when that incident, but the legal process is kind of playing out, and there's been some reaction, but not full reaction to that.
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And and the Lions, you know, continue to hold themselves to a standard of character, um, football etiquette, and uh, you know, good people uh in their room.
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So are they going to allow even this distraction to be a distraction, or are they going to cut ties regardless of the the legal outcomes of this of this issue?
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Yeah, and you know, the lions went um, you know, the angle of culture, right?
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They've been talking about culture.
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Um, Campbell was hired to deliver culture.
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Um, and that this could be something that severely interferes with that culture.
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100%.
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And right now, the the statement the Lions have just given out, it says that there's no comment, they don't want to interfere with the legal process, which you know makes sense.
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They're gonna let the the prosecutors, they're gonna let the the the courts do their job.
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Um, they're gonna let the NFL determine whether this is something that they need to intervene with um first.
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And uh, you know, I'm I'm sure TA has told the lines of story, um, and they have to like either trust TA in his process and and his um and his word um or not.
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So yeah.
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Um, you know, we'll stick to the north.
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Uh there's been Josh Jacobs, you know, has been like um basically not allegedly, I think they're they're basically saying like something happened.
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Yeah, he was doing that, and the NFL hasn't reacted.
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And this is now uh a month or so past, right?
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So this is gonna be very slow moving.
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Hopefully, TA's lawyers get him out of jail, um, which she probably will be out of jail very quickly and let this all play out in core, but man, um this is gonna be um significant news story for a while.
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Yep, and uh you know, it it makes you think like you bolstered your defensive backs, you brought in some youth, you brought in some veterans, and uh maybe you're you're dependent on these guys because you knew a little bit more about this story going through.
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So I mean that's speculation.
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Very, very speculative.
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Um, so we what we want you guys to take from from what was the the diatribe right there.
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I think there's three major bullet points, Brian.
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Until actual charges, evidence, court filings are fully vetted.
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This is just kind of a wait and see situation.
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Yeah, you get we don't know.
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I'm not a legal prosecutor, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.
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All I'm all I'm doing is reading on acts and determining what I I should believe or not believe.
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So um the range of outcomes here is uh is giant, right?
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Yeah, I mean it's it's all the way from you know life in prison to and we talked about that, yeah.
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Almost almost, yeah, almost nothing, right?
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And um at this stage, no third bullet point, at this stage, nobody outside the investigation truly knows um which end of the spectrum we're on.
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You know, the the prosecution's gonna lead with uh the most serious charge to the you know the life in prison, and the defense is gonna say, like, hey, like uh we should get this dropped, it shouldn't even be in the courts, right?
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And like so we're here at the the kind of the forefront of this, and and there's a whole range of outcomes that could happen.
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And you know, we could be a hot takey with this too, but the reality is we're just breaking the news to you that we've received that we know of, and uh take it for what it is.
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So, yeah, so um stay tuned.
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This will be a uh probably a weekly update on the podcast.
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Yeah, um, we don't have a good lawyer friend, we have doctors, teachers, financiers, you know, pilots, and all the fun things, but um we gotta hey reach out to us if you're if you're a legal person and kind of help us uh run through this.
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Yeah.
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On a much more fun podcast side, yeah.
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Take a deep breath.
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Let's let's let's let's put that heaviness of uh aside because like as Lions fans, I feel like we've been there before.
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We've been there in in our history where like the off-season takes on this kind of crap, right?
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And instead of like getting better, we gotta rely on or we gotta talk about the the JMOs getting in trouble for for gambling or the assaults and batteries, or if you go back in the day, the going through a drive-thru naked, you know, and so on, right?
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You know, the the lions have their their stories, and uh you know, I I felt I feel pretty good about the the history, you know, the current history, um, not having that until now.
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Yeah.
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Um so let's lead into like um some more fun stuff.
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So um Brian, um we both got kind of two and a half hot takes for the year, right?
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And um I'm gonna let you drive here for your for your hot take and kind of introduce what we're doing, how we're doing it.
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Okay, so we're gonna talk about a couple hot takes.
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Some something for the 26-27 season.
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What do you see happening?
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What are some what are some takeaways that we can get from this season now, way too early.
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Um predictions such as Brian's hot take number one.
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Brian's hot take number one, Jameer Gibbs will lead the league in all-purpose yards.
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Um he will then be in the market, if not winning, offensive player of the year, um 210, or I'm sorry, 2,100 all-purpose yards, scoring 18 to 20 touchdowns.
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Um, if you look at this, no David Montgomery to share to share um runs with, there's to share snaps with.
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Um, Isaiah Pacheco might take a little load off of him in short yardage.
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Um, but Gibbs is gonna be the true workhorse here.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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So, what does Vegas say about kind of your hot take?
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Well, they agree.
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So, so I I came up with this hot take.
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I was like, oh, I'm pretty excited about this, and then um, so Vegas got it first.
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So uh tell them what Vegas thinks.
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All right, Vegas is is is giving you uh plus 750 on Jameer Gibbs as of now as the offensive player of the year for 2026.
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Where does that rank amongst all offensive players?
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He is the first uh most likely most likely to receive that bajan robinson at 800 plus 800, uh Jamar Chase at 850, and Puka Nakua at plus 1100.
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So um we're gonna dip the pinky toe in the water there with the with the first hot take, but I like it.
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Uh it's it's a good hot take.
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I think you know Drew Petsing uh like is here to get the most out of Jameer Gibbs, right?
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And like that's been talked about quite a bit where he's gonna utilize him quite a bit.
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Um this is kind of a weird one because I was thinking about this.
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Um, I made this.
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We're sitting here, we're we're we've been doing our homework thinking about this.
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Um, but there's a name on this list that might end up being very prominent based on the breaking news tonight.
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So um, my first thought take is the the rookie defensive trio of Derek Moore, Jimmy Rolder, and Keith Abney will be playing meaningful snaps in games that matter.
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Um so let me just give you a breakdown of these guys.
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Again, Derek Moore led Michigan in both sacks, tackles for a loss, despite playing under 40 snaps per game.
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Michigan rotated guys.
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They had first wave, they had second wave, they actually had third wave.
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They really believed in keeping guys fresh throughout the game.
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Um posted a 17.5% pressure rate, one of the best in the Big Ten.
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Um playing opposite of Hutchinson uh means offensive can't slide protection his way.
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So in college, everything slid his way.
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Um in Detroit, everything slides Aiden's way to an extreme level.
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So he's gonna be out basically.
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I mean, he has to win some of his one-on-ones, and um you know, Holmes traded up for him.
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Um this is not a developmental edge that we're working with.
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This is a guy that we saw, we took, he's an edge setter, he's a run stuffer, but he's also proven that he can get tackles for loss, sacks, and be a disruptor.
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Um, so I think he finishes with you know somewhere in that seven, eight, nine, ten plus sacks on the year.
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Okay.
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Um, and and partially the credit should go to Aiden and you know the the middle of that defensive line as well.
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Um, but he's gonna be the guy that they're like, you know what?
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Make this guy beat us, and I think he's gonna win that battle.
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So that's guy number one.
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Number one.
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Okay.
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Do you have a comment there?
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I I like it.
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Like uh Jimmy, uh sorry, Derek Moore is uh the guy that when we drafted him, I had some question marks and I had to go back and do some of my my homework.
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Um, and I the more I'm more I'm watching this guy, and the more I I you know go back and watch those Michigan games, uh, outside of just being a fan, but but more of being like doing that research, um, you find that he he's a player.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, so excited about that.
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Um, second is Jimmy Rolder.
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Um, again, I'll give you a little background on him.
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Um, led Michigan tackles last year, 73 tackles, um, had an interception, solid in coverage.
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Coaches are already been praising him.
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He's been name-dropped multiple times by coaches, players uh during spring practice.
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Recorded a pick during mini camp.
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Okay.
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Um, classic Dan Campbell traits.
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One of the reasons they drafted him.
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You know, smart, physical, he has special teams value.
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Um, I think he wins a role similar to when Malcolm Rodriguez was playing his most football with Detroit his rookie year.
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Okay.
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So meaningful snaps.
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Um, and last, uh give me a chance to any any comment there.
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No, not yet.
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Okay.
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Go ahead.
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Uh Keith Abney.
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Uh this uh defensive back plays multiple positions, has played corner, has played nickel, has played safety.
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Um last year, 21 pass breakups, five interceptions over his uh last, I guess, 25 stars.
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First team all Big 12, known for being physical, being versatile, ultra athletic.
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Um Lions love DBs who can play multiple spots.
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Just so happens that some guy might be boxed out by some steel bars, and there might be some more opportunity to play.
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Right.
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So I'm thinking, you know, I I was thinking by you know Thanksgiving, December, Abney's getting on the field and in some kind of regular third down package, nickel package.
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That could be pressed a little bit forward with the news that we're talking about right now.
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And that's fair.
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And I I don't know yet.
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I would have to see because I I love Roger McCreary and what he is bringing to that slot position right now and what he has to offer in his at least his experience.
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He still has it.
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It sounds like he he can play.
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And I would say that that slot position is going to be tough to overtake him right now.
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And then you can also offer Brian Branch if he ever comes back and still has that opportunity to fill in that role too.
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As a backup, you know, or as a as a as a last case scenario.
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Outside, I would say it's going to deal with health, right?
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You still have Rocky Sin, who I think fits very well into the scheme.
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And Kelvin Shepard likes likes Rock, what he has to offer.
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He's not the highest of high, but he's definitely not the lowest of low.
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So he just is steady.
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Solid as a rock.
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So consistent.
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And if you tap into an NSR who we have not seen yet, if that guy can stay healthy, you know, you you might have lightning in a bottle.
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So it would be tough to crack those two spots, but maybe.
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Maybe.
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And it's a hot take.
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So I get it.
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And then rolling back a little bit to Jimmy Rolder.
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I'm interested.
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I I definitely heard the name pop up with coaches, and I like that about him.
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I like the the praise that they're giving him.
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I just also know that Kelvin Shepard, and we'll get into this in a second, is gonna be a little bit more apt to adjust and not play that three-backer scheme or that base scheme nearly as much.
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He's going to go to the nickel because I think that's who we have, the the the personnel who can support that.
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And so that limiting the meaningful snaps.
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So is he gonna overtake then Derek Barnes at that spot?
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That would be that would be your question mark.
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Surprising.
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It's gonna be surprising.
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Shepard loves Barnes, right?
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Exactly.
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He's on record, yeah.
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Shepard says, like, he's my he's my little brother.
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You know, he's he's a guy that he looks after.
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He he wants to give him every opportunity to be successful.
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Um, so overtaking Derek Barnes is gonna be difficult.
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Yeah.
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Unless an injury happens or Derek Barnes just can't get the job done.
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:36.799
So I think you know, when we are recording this podcast later on, we'll be talking about uh Brad Holmes' masterclass draft.
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You know, we haven't talked about the first rounder and what he's gonna do.
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.599
In this podcast, we've talked about a previous podcast, uh, Blake Miller.
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.759
Um, but I think we're gonna get back to like, well, Brad Holmes, like at it.
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You hit this one out of the park.
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So Brian's hot take number two.
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All right, so I'm looking at the defensive side of the ball, which is interesting to say because we developed these hot takes before the TA news.
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:08.799
But even with the TA news, I'm gonna say that the Detroit Lions are a top 10 defense in the NFL.
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They are woo.
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Can you imagine let's be honest though, last year, even with Dan Campbell calling plays, um, they fired John Morton or pushed him into the booth, they the yeah, they were still a top five offense.
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Yeah.
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So now if you pair uh uh an offensive like that, who I feel like got better, with a top ten defense, the sky's the limit.
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A top ten defense, I mean, you're talking, you know, the you're hitting the button on a potential Super Bowl contender.
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.519
You and we'll get to there too.
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Okay.
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Okay, we'll get to there too.
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But uh, I'm looking at, okay, a healthy Ali McNeil.
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There is such a difference, and I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:13.119
There is such a difference between your off-season prep work when you're rehabbing an injury versus your off-season prep work when you are healthy and ready to prepare for the next season.
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.240
He's ready to prepare for the next season.
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And he, if you ask him, you've seen it in his interviews as well.
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Night and day difference right now.
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.119
Same with Aiden Hutchinson.
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Like, he's not rehabbing anymore, he's getting better, you know.
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DJ more our DJ Reed is is uh gone through his his rehabs, he's getting healthy, he's he's getting better, you know.
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:47.839
So we have these guys in spots that are now healthy that we were expecting to be top of their game when they came back, but they just weren't.
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:58.720
So before you hit that button online super bowl and you're buying into this hype, let me tell you why it's a hot take.
00:26:58.960 --> 00:26:59.279
Okay.
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.160
We just talked about Terry and Arnold.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.960
We talked about uh Enos Rakstraw.
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Like I you gotta see something before you you can believe something, right?
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:12.799
Completely agree.
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.200
Um, we talked about Brian Branch.
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Is he gonna be a contributor by December?
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:32.319
I think with the depth, depth, depth that we've created, we are have made it available for us to get to week five or six and bring Brian Branch and not force him back fast.
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.480
So five or six, that's yeah, that's early.
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.119
That's early in the in the in the timeline, right?
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:46.160
But I'm also hearing other stories about Brian Branch looking looking good, not not healthy, but but good in this process.
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.039
Was he chewing on bark with Aaron Rodgers getting that all?
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.240
He might have been, you know.
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.559
Aaron Rodgers came back quick too from an Achilles.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.119
He can't run, but he he came back quick.
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.799
So different style of athlete.
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.160
So also, also, Kirby Joseph.
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.920
Uh, he's not, I mean, he's testing it out.
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:09.039
Uh you know, we we're gone, a DJ like there's reader.
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.759
There's a there's a lot of question marks.
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:24.240
Uh, and and if what I'm saying is true, with we're gonna rely on a rookie edge, we're gonna talk about a rookie third linebacker, Keith Abney's gonna play some meaningful snaps.
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.359
Um, basically, what you're saying is like, you know, hey, we have depth.
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:36.799
You're basically saying our number twos are so good, they're better than two-thirds of the league's number ones.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.880
I don't, I no, I can't say that.
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:46.400
I can't say that, but together as a unit, I believe that they can play to that level.
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.759
Okay, I want to be the devil's advocate for your appreciate that.
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.359
So I do think that Kirby comes back and gives gives us something.
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.799
I don't know if he gives us a full season, but he gives us something.
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.920
Brian Branch, as the season goes on, will give us something as well.
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:09.279
Again, we talked just talked about Alien McNeil and and Aiden Hutchinson and you know DJ Reed coming off of injury and being healthy.
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.799
He is not gonna be the Brian Branch of the beginning of last season or or before.
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:20.160
He's gonna be coming off of injury and rehabbing and continuing to work back into form.
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.960
We're hoping that he can be the Brian Branch we know by playoffs.
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.359
Yeah, that um I like it.
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:28.720
That makes me excited.
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.160
I'd be very happy if that happens.
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:40.559
So um, my hot take, number two, okay, Sam Laporta finishes at a top three NFL tight end.
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:49.039
Oh, so I'm talking 90 plus catches, a thousand yards, and finishes in the top three at the position.
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:56.079
And there's some extremely intriguing tight ends out there that put up staggering numbers, right?
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:06.559
And so that let me ask you this like might not be on your list right now, but there's already been negotiations with San Laporta in contracts.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:08.720
Do do we sign him now?
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.319
You better strike right now while you got the injury stink all over this guy, right?
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.039
Um, so Drew Petzing uh built Arizona's offense around tight ends.
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:27.839
Arizona ranked uh top 10 in 12 personnel usage and number one in 13 personnel usage uh last year.
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:37.279
Um Trey McBride led the league in tight end targets, tight end receptions, um, and receiving yards in 2025.
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.480
I'm Capboy David's advocate with this as well.
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.799
Yeah, you can let me get through a couple more bullet points and then and then well.
00:30:44.960 --> 00:31:01.599
But if you have something that you are right there hot and bothered on, like we talk about 10, 12, 13 personnel with Drew Pet Sing a ton, but we're we're talking about that because he's coming from Arizona who didn't have a wide receiver who could catch a ball, right?
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:10.960
So when we say Drew Pet Sing relied or developed 13 personnel, yeah, because the three tight ends were his best players.
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:26.480
And if we if he had an Aman Ras A Brown, uh Jameson Williams, and uh uh Isaac Tesla, in addition to Sam Laporta, I I'm guessing, I'm I'm only guessing, that he wouldn't run 13 personnel nearly as much.
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.440
So do you think the Lions are top 10 in the league in 13 personnel?
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.079
No.
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:40.640
Okay, so like this guy is known to find some success with it, and we have a actually an upgraded tight end room.
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:46.240
I believe that Drew Petsang is known for finding what works for his team.
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:53.599
Okay, and so if that means he's going to f force what works that he's had in the past, then I don't want him anymore.
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.599
I want him to work with what he has.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.839
And I I I like Tyler Conklin, I think he's okay, you know.
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.799
I like Brock Wright, I think he's okay, but he is not he's not Sam Laporta.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.599
All right, so we uh you know he's definitely not Trey McBride, you know, those guys.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:17.279
So what we have is a good tight end, number one, and we have some support for him.
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.319
Yeah, we also have some really good wide receivers, there's no doubt about it.
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:31.680
Okay, so um, and those wide receivers will take pressure off of the tight end, which he's really figured out good ways to locate those tight ends.
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.440
Um, I I do think the Lions are gonna have a good offense this year.
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:48.319
I think they're gonna struggle on defense, and I think what better way to help a defense out than grinding it out on offense and killing clock, right?
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.000
So, again, that's targeting your tight ends, targeting your tight ends.
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.400
Keep your tight ends out there, letting Jameer Gibbs eat to your first hot take.
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:03.440
Um, so Lions specifically noted when they hired Petsy and he prioritizes tight ends.
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.160
That was one of the bullet points that they talked about, right?
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.640
So um Conklin, right, they're they're they're heavier, they're bigger.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.359
They can go those big packages and they can feature Laporta in those packages.
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.200
They can be your blocking tight ends.
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.640
Laporta, you know, he's at prime years of his career.
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.759
Um, Goff trusts him, he's already earned that trust.
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.480
You know, Goff's been around for 11 years.
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:36.880
He this is going into his 11th season, and he he understands you know where his bread is buttered, and and Laporta's a guy that he's come to trust.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.799
Um, defenses, they gotta account for Gibbs, they gotta account for Amon Ross St.
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.359
Brown, yeah, they gotta account for J-mo.
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.000
I agree.
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.359
Tesla's gonna stick his big frame in there, they gotta account for him.
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There's gonna be there's gonna be space on the field for a guy.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:34:03.839
So I think Petsing is going to take that familiarity with McBride, and and McBride didn't break out really until he's about Laporta's tenure in the NFL.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.920
And he's gonna say, you know what, I got I gotta I got a McBride Jr.
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And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna feed him.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.119
Okay.
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.880
And I'm not gonna disagree that Sam Laporta is gonna get his.
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:22.000
I the only thing that I'm going to to disagree with is the the personnel that he'll use in order to feed him.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:33.280
I think he's going to utilize Amin Ra and J Mo to take the top off and Gibbs to to spread the the defense in order to still feature Sam Laporta.
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:33.840
Okay.
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:34.400
All right.
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:39.119
Um, some data, you know, to if you want to take this to your betting app.
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We don't condone betting.
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.480
We're not a betting advice.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:43.599
Podcast.
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.480
Um, if you want to put a uh a one or two shackle as in a dollar bill or two dollar bills.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.280
Um uh comeback player of the year.
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.679
Uh Sam Laporte is listed on the you know the top 20, 25 people.
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.000
He's coming in at plus five thousand.
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.639
So an outside shot right there, you know.
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.440
Uh put your dollar in now.
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:14.960
The big names ahead of him are Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, Kyler Murray, Malik Neighbors, Daniel Jones, Micah Parsons.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.000
Um uh but there's some guys down there.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.119
George Kittle.
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.440
There's some guys down there, Laura Bosa.
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.199
Yeah, so all right.
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:31.760
So, anyways, you know, um I guess I'll go back to back here and I'll tie in my first take with another take.
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:32.880
This will be quick.
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:41.119
Um this supports defense, so I don't want to talk about two sides of the mouth, but you can see it.
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.119
I smell what you're stepping in, Brian.
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:44.000
Thank you.
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:56.719
Um and I talked a little bit about Derek Moore at the beginning, and we haven't given enough, we haven't put enough respect on the interior of the Lions defensive line yet.
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:08.239
Um, but because of that, I think the Lions lead the NFL and sacks and produce two double-digit sat guys this year.
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:08.800
Okay.
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.280
Um Hutchinson's healthy.
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.079
Is he your first double-digit sack guy?
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.079
Um Hutchinson is my first double-digit sack guy.
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.880
Matter of fact, he could get, you know, that the guy is good enough to go for 20, right?
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:23.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.639
But because he's so good, you got the guy on the other side that's just gonna get like a tremendous opportunity to make some plays.
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.480
Um you you got some guys in the middle that are just gonna collapse the pocket.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:41.519
They're gonna have the quarterback scrambling out, and and and the lines are gonna clean up on the edge.
00:36:41.840 --> 00:37:05.519
Um, and hopefully we get a little bit better secondary play than last year, um, which buys those edges a little bit more time to and I'm a still a true believer that the more you pressure a quarterback, the less the less you need your DBs to hold their ground, to to be tight in those in those times.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:12.639
Um before we were like we were not getting pressured in a timely manner, allowing our corners to have to cover for longer, right?
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:19.280
Hopefully, we can get a uh a little bit better of a pressure rate, a quicker pressure rate, and allow our corners to cover for less.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.800
So we were we're famously wrong on the Davenport call, right?
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:23.679
We were way wrong.
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:24.800
We were way wrong.
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.280
Um and uh there's it's all on record, right?
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.559
There's nothing we can say about it.
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.440
Yeah, um, but I'm we're gonna be so right on this one, man.
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.320
Um so I I feel good about it.
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:44.960
Um I I I think you can you know you can press the button on uh on the the Lions.
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:55.119
Um I I think I don't know what the the data suggests, but Derek Moore could be a sneaky defensive rookie of the year type guy because he's probably getting pretty good odds.
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.840
But Brian, I don't want to take away you have a uh final bonus hot take.
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.599
Final bonus hot take.
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:10.320
The Detroit Lions, our Detroit Lions are gonna make it back to the NFC Championship game.
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:11.199
Yep.
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:34.800
I think with a with a fourth place schedule going into this season, I think they come out of it with a 12-5 regular season record, they win the NFC North, and they are in a pretty good spot to meet the LA Rams in the NFC Championship game.
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.280
That would be dramatic, right?
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.920
That'd make for great cinema.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.400
Yep.
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.519
They met in the playoffs before, you got the Stafford narrative, you got the golf narrative.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.800
Um Woo! Yep.
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.559
Uh the podcast before and after, you won't want to miss that one.
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:54.320
I'm excited.
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.719
I don't I'm sweating bullets already thinking about it.
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:12.800
So yeah, so uh and the NFC winner by Vegas is Rams are plus 295, the probable first place kind of but the Lions are plus 930, and they're in the top five, uh coming in at fifth.
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.760
So um man, what a dichotomy of a podcast.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.480
We we start off with real tough news on TA.
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.239
Um, and maybe if we could put a bow on it, is that man?
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.719
I think the Lions, um, you you you said it earlier, they they've got a lot more depth this year.
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:34.800
So um I don't think missing TA, and I we're we're a better team with him.
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.360
I don't think missing him is going to tank the season.
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.960
I think there's a couple other guys that like would really, really hurt.
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:53.599
You know, if Gibbs goes down, if Goff goes down, um, if Penet goes down, if Hutch goes down, that's like, hey, we might as well play for next year.
00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:02.800
I think you know, TA goes down, it's like, well, we didn't see much of them last year, and um maybe we'll have less defensive holdings this year, right?
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:07.840
Um yeah, I I can't I couldn't say it better myself.
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.400
Well, it's because you said that yourself, yeah.
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:17.519
So um in uh Brian, a couple other fun data points I was just kind of pulling off.
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:26.320
Um, Protector of the Year, Pinnae's uh best odds at plus 500 to be the best offensive lineman, hypothetically, this year.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:30.400
Um, one thing I found interesting is Coach of the Year.
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.840
Um John Harbaugh is uh number one at plus six hundred.
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.360
Number two is Jesse Minter at plus nine hundred.
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:49.679
You gotta scroll way, way down at plus 2800, and you get a Dan Campbell down there, um, which is pretty fascinating.
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.320
I think he is in the scheme of things, he's on the lower half of that.
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.800
So um with a fourth place schedule, that could be kind of a fun one to kind of play around with a little bit.
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.760
Um Pistons trade away beef stew today for three second rounders.
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:17.199
First, first overall or first round pick was first round pick, uh Aquare out of uh Stanford, they traded up for him.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.559
17 overall.
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:24.079
Yeah, draft coverage is terrible because there are so many trades going on.
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:31.119
Brian, you you were talking, I don't I don't need you to recite it perfectly, but like talk about the second round picks in the NFL quickly.
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.039
So they were talking about the second round picks.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:45.199
I heard this on the radio, and uh they're talking about of the 30 second-round picks, only four of them stayed with the team that actually had them to start with.
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.559
So 26 of those picks had been traded.
00:41:48.880 --> 00:42:00.639
And of those 26 picks, they had been traded not just once, like 26 times, but they've been traded multiple times, upwards in the 70s of times.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.159
There was uh we were talking, I was talking about it before this.
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:10.559
There was one particular pick that was traded back and forth between the same team upwards to eight times.
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:11.920
So that's wild.
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.239
That they treat their picks quite a bit differently.
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.599
You know, we talk about Campbell being willy-nilly with his picks.
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.039
Yeah, yeah, the NBA with their second rounders, it's just wild.
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.440
Um, Tigers news, stick a fork in them.
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:25.440
They're done.
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:26.719
Lost again today.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:28.800
Lost they lost a scuble start.
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.320
They should trade Scoobyl.
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.159
Um, put a fork in them.
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.320
Um Red Wings News.
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.400
Um Larkin.
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:37.760
Is he gonna get traded?
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:39.360
Are they gonna force him to stay?
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.039
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:42.320
Interesting stuff.
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:49.920
Brian Gunn, uh, if you're an odds maker and I gave you even money on Larkin being a Red Wing next year, which side would you take?
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.840
I'm leaning towards they're going to make Larkin a Red Wing next year.
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:54.480
Okay, yeah.
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:56.639
I'm on the same side of that.
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:57.199
Yeah.
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.159
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00:43:53.119 --> 00:44:01.760
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00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.960
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00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.639
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00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.000
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