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00:01:40.239There is some roofing going on, so if you hear loud noises, that's something I am not in control of today.
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00:01:57.359This week I wanted to talk about his return to the school, where I left off last time about that was when we thought the bus was returning him without even trying to take him to school.
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00:02:02.719So that was his first year of school here in our so-called new home.
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00:02:06.319By that I mean the home he grew up in until he was eight years old.
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00:02:12.879This is a town that we're used to, but he has never gone to that particular school because it's the high school here.
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00:02:19.919Shortly after he started school there, he started coming home with some cute stuff all about senior year.
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00:02:27.599They sent a picture home of him sitting on the steps of the high school holding a big sign that said senior.
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00:02:30.400Um, it really rubbed me the wrong way.
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00:02:31.120I don't know.
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00:02:34.000I still feel like a bit of an asshole.
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00:02:35.120It still bothers me.
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00:02:36.240I don't like it.
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00:02:40.000I think that it hurts, if that makes any sense.
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00:02:51.919I mean, he was 17, he's supposed to be in school until he's 22, and you're already sending me pictures telling me he's a senior when I know he functions at a five-year-old level, if we're lucky.
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00:02:52.479I don't know.
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00:02:53.360It just bothered me.
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00:02:58.560I you know, I think there's a major disconnect or lack of compassion from the educators.
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00:03:10.479I'm sure their hearts are in the right place, I'm sure they mean well, but I wish they would consider how they would feel if this were their lives instead of the lives of some strangers.
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00:03:22.400How would they feel if that was their kid and that was their kid's future and someone that didn't know them was taking pictures of their kid holding a sign.
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00:03:25.039I don't know, trying to normalize them.
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00:03:26.240Is that what it is?
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00:03:26.960I don't know.
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00:03:29.199It just it rubs me the wrong way.
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00:03:33.039It doesn't do anything good for my heart at all.
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00:03:33.680I don't know.
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00:03:35.120I don't know what I expect.
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00:03:39.840I do know that no one ever did that to me when I was a senior in high school.
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00:03:41.280So I don't know.
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00:03:47.280You know, he he started coming home with little pillows that said senior and I don't know.
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00:03:48.560I don't know.
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00:03:51.759It just it upsets me.
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00:03:55.120Of course he's such a cutie.
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00:03:56.400I want to have the picture.
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00:03:58.319It was hard for me to look at though.
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00:04:11.680There was something about pictures with him as well, because right around that same time I noticed he was finding any pictures of himself that were taken at a school, anything he could find.
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00:04:15.280And he was kind of starting to hoard them and study them.
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00:04:28.399And the more hoarding and studying of these pictures that he did, the more evil sounds and facial expressions were developing on him and within him, coming out of him, whatever.
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00:04:29.759It just didn't seem healthy.
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00:04:37.600I could just tell I knew after so many years of seeing him behave and monitoring what's going on, what's causing this, you know.
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00:04:45.279I just knew it was a matter of time before he started destroying those pictures the way he was destroying all the other pictures.
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00:04:48.079So I stole them back from him.
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00:04:51.680To this day, they are still locked in my little safe.
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00:04:52.639They're really cute.
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00:04:55.439Some of them are freaking adorable.
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00:05:02.160He's got this quality in him, and the photographers get lucky every time that they take these pictures.
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00:05:15.759I don't care if it's a just a teacher or someone from the actual company that takes the pictures at schools, they get lucky every time because his little quality is that right at the time that they snap that picture, you can see it.
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00:05:20.240Only his dad and I can really recognize it, but you can see it in his eyes.
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00:05:22.800He's getting ready to go bonkers.
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00:05:26.639And they just catch him right at that very edge.
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00:05:46.639And I just wish they were like how the iPhone has the live photo so that you could see the next couple of seconds after that picture is taken, because I know that he is getting ready to just go berserk, bouncing off the walls or flapping or scripting or dooming or whatever.
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00:05:48.399I just know, I just know it.
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00:05:58.879And so almost every single school picture that we have of him, except for like two, have this look in his eye, like he's getting ready to fuck shit up, you know?
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00:06:06.480So anyway, they are the cutest, and I'm sad that we can't have them on the wall, but photos really seem to trigger him.
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00:06:12.800And by this time in our lives, his destruction had moved into his room again as well.
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00:06:18.079So he had already busted up his door, like those four panels on your bedroom doors.
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00:06:19.759It's an unfinished wood door.
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00:06:24.319I don't know where it came from, but he busted it up and it's in pieces.
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00:06:28.160It's still hanging on the hinges, but he busted those panels.
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00:06:37.199I don't know if it was his head, hands, or feet or an object, but you can see light in his room coming through from the hallway through this door.
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00:06:41.600We were also having multiple IEPs per month already.
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00:06:43.439I'm within the first two months.
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00:06:45.839We were having multiple IEP meetings.
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00:06:49.360We had tried to get things set up for him ahead of time.
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00:06:59.519We had been emailing the superintendent and all the people down the ladder to try to get stuff in place for him and to try to get them to understand his needs.
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00:07:09.040But there really is no way to achieve the level of preparation that we need for the school faculty to be able to deal with our son.
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00:07:19.360And that is a really tough place to be because our son is not the only child in the world with profound autism or severe autism.
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00:07:24.000He's the only one in his school, and he still couldn't get services that he needed.
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00:07:25.920So I think that's a huge problem.
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00:07:31.519That's one of the focal points of my blueprint for the Safer Lifestyles respite communities.
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00:07:48.240I really think that we need like a specialized education system for the people who would be willing to work with kids like ours, because really, most of the people that I've met in the therapy space and the education space are not prepared for my son.
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00:07:53.040And I don't know where they're getting their educations at, but I know I've complained about this before.
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00:08:07.439It seems like they think of a special kind of autism, like the one that's on TV all the time that everybody thinks is cute and cuddly, and then they get this rude awakening that there is more to autism than cute and cuddly and quirky.
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00:08:11.519And then they're like, no, no, I don't, I didn't, I didn't sign up for this.
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00:08:16.319I didn't get the memo on this, I never got the education on this.
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00:08:18.399Everybody suffers at that point.
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00:08:27.120And I just wish there were like an advanced way of educating the people who think that they can really hang in there and help our children.
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00:08:32.639I think those people need the parents to be part of the education process.
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00:08:39.840I think that the parents need to be allowed to teach anyone who's gonna work with their children about their children.
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00:08:45.600Because, like I've said before, if you've met one child with severe autism, you've met one child with severe autism.
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00:08:52.000You cannot apply everything that works with this kid to that kid and expect it all to work.
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00:08:54.960Anyway, that that I could go on forever about that.
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00:09:15.759That really it's a huge disservice to our kids and our families because the more frustrated our children get with not being understood, not being respected, being forced into some kind of weird conformity that is meant for neurotypicals, you know, the more that that happens to them, the worse it is for us.
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00:09:26.480Just like the more kids you have, I don't care if they're neurotypical or not, that you send over to grandmas and they spoil them with sugar and candy and all that kind of stuff and then send it back.
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00:09:36.639The more kids you send over to that situation at one time, the more kids come back to you from that situation at one time, and the harder it is for you to deal with everyone once they've been spoiled.
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00:09:40.639So it's the same thing for me, but you get the violent behaviors.
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00:09:52.480And I think in our case, it's because our kid is stuck in his head and he can't get out, and school doesn't allow enough time for him to try to get out of his head.
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00:10:04.960By the time he is adjusting to his environment and to the people in his environment and to the demands being placed on him in that environment, it's time to move on to another environment or another activity.
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00:10:09.279And it's just my kid can't keep pace with the regular school schedule.
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00:10:10.720And it's a huge disservice.
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00:10:14.960So he comes home, he actually doesn't even wait until he gets home.
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00:10:20.960The violent outbursts start at school because it's like an instantaneous thing.
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00:10:23.679It can only build up for so long.
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00:10:38.080So let's say by third hour, he's already had what, six or eight changes he can't keep up, and they expect him to keep up, and he's just trying to figure out his damn name and what day it is, and he's gonna lose his shit.
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00:10:39.600He's going to burst.
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00:10:48.720So he bursts at school, and then it's really bad at home because now this is his comfort zone, and he honestly doesn't like this home.
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00:10:54.559So the only thing that he does like is his parents, and that's not working out so well for him either.
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00:11:01.679So anyway, I'm gonna detail in another episode the multiple IEPs and how those meetings were going.
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00:11:04.639I recently found a bunch of notes from the school.
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00:11:06.799I was I've been looking for them forever.
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00:11:12.480I thought I had everything in like a stack, but you might be able to identify with this.
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00:11:15.120Every once in a while I get all autismed out.
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00:11:25.279I can't take it anymore, and stacks of information get thrown into some kind of storage, and I just need to clean my space and get it away from me.
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00:11:30.799And then the next thing I know, I need that stuff, and I have no idea where I put it.
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00:11:33.519So I'm kind of going through that right now.
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00:11:45.679But since I'm trying to remodel the inside of the house to make him more happy, I am finding things that I think could be useful for this podcast, and some of the information from the IEPs is in there.
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00:11:53.600I'm noticing that while these meetings were devastating to me, and there are details that I do remember and I want to share with you.
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00:11:58.480There are a lot of details that I have forgotten, and it's just something that I do.
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00:12:03.039When things get too painful, my mind is like, nah, I'm not gonna remember that.
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00:12:04.240Sorry, you know?
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00:12:10.960I'm kind of struggling with that, but I really want to share this stuff with you guys because I really think it's valuable.
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00:12:14.639I can't be the only mom in the world who experienced this.
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00:12:16.639I'm sure if you have not, you will.
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00:12:24.480And I would like you to be prepared for the unexpected, because these things that happened to us were very unexpected.
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00:12:31.279And if I would have known that people were gonna treat us a certain way, maybe things would have been different.
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00:12:31.840I don't know.
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00:12:32.879I'm a good planner.
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00:12:37.360If I know something might happen, I can plan my counterattacks, you know.
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00:12:38.559It does feel that way.
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00:12:53.759It feels like I'm being attacked by my child, and I'm being attacked by his educators, and I'm fighting my child, and I'm fighting for my child, and I'm fighting for myself at the same time it's just it's exhausting and confusing.
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00:12:57.840You start to not even know who is on your side, if anyone.
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00:13:00.799You don't recognize the good guys anymore.
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00:13:07.759Because just when you think that somebody understands your kid, they'll do something completely out of line.
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00:13:16.879And, you know, you're focused on the people who are intent on not understanding your kid and just making sure their agenda goes the way it's supposed to.
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00:13:27.679All of a sudden you're blindsided by these other people who you thought were in your kid's corner, and it doesn't mean that they're not, but you start to feel like they're not because they make a couple of mistakes that were critical.
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00:13:40.080And it just keeps you as a parent hyper-vigilant all the time, whether it's about the clothing or the lunch or the snacks or the reward system that they want to use at school.
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00:13:41.039It's constant.
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00:13:45.600Then you have the children who are not trained to deal with kids like ours.
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00:13:50.480While my spouse did a great job going to the school and talking to the kids, I don't know.
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00:13:52.799They have their lives that they have to live too.
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00:13:56.159Everybody's gonna be all stressed out, especially when it's senior year.
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00:13:56.960And I don't know.
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00:13:57.840I don't know why.
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00:14:01.919I really wish he wasn't put into mainstream classrooms.
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00:14:03.519I still don't understand that.
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00:14:06.559I had friends who were always in special ed.
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00:14:08.720I never got to see them in class.
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00:14:25.440So I really have a hard time understanding why we're forcing a child like mine to go into a mainstream classroom when he is so easily distracted and so easily upset, and he will hyperfocus on a person or what you know.
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00:14:26.159I don't know.
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00:14:29.679I just I just don't think it was the right fit for him.
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00:14:32.879And I advocated for that, and it was upsetting.
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00:14:36.159So I'll go into more details on that in another episode.
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00:14:40.000I do know that he was not able to complete full days of school yet.
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00:14:48.240You might remember that he wasn't completing full days of school at the other school after we had pulled him out for a year and a half and then put him back in and he couldn't complete a full day.
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00:15:01.360Well, it was the same story here, and it was getting more difficult to be his parents each day, just because, like I said, those frustrations come home with him, and he's already unhappy, so it just made everything much worse.
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00:15:08.720He was easily dysregulated despite the large efforts that we put in each morning before sunrise.
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00:15:20.000I mean, you gotta wake up super early to make sure this kid has a good day, and we were doing everything we could, stumbling around in the dark, just trying to get it figured out, and I don't know, it just it just wasn't working out.
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00:15:22.399So we'll talk more about that in another episode.
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00:15:29.440I wanted to talk about he's got um physical sensations have been a real focus for him the past several months.
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00:15:33.519One day he was standing next to me as I was sitting on the floor.
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00:15:51.600We take our shoes off in here, so he was standing there in his socks, and I just reached over and smacked the top of his foot a couple times with like a cupped hand, and it stunned him, and he just like his mouth dropped open and he just kind of stared down at his foot.
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00:15:55.519And you could tell that he wanted more, and he like kind of moved his foot towards me.
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00:16:02.240So now he'll just stand there with his feet facing me, and he'll just love it when I smack the tops of his feet.
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00:16:03.120It's really funny.
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00:16:08.399He looks surprised and confused, and then he laughs, and sometimes he'll say, more, more.
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00:16:10.960So we get a kick out of that.
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00:16:11.679You never know.
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00:16:21.360Sometimes he wants compression on his arms, and I'll squeeze his arms and he likes it, and other times I'll try to do it and he'll just worm away from me, and he's just like, ah, don't touch me, you know.
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00:16:33.600And he's learning that other people feel that way too, sometimes, because sometimes he'll be allowed to squeeze my arm or touch my back, and other times I'm like, I don't want to be touched.
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00:16:34.240Stop it.
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00:16:41.200And he'll take offense and he'll get really sad, and I'll try to remind him that sometimes you don't want to be touched, and that's okay.
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00:16:46.639Uh not everyone wants to be touched all the time, and sometimes we just have to no touchy.
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00:16:48.799And he's like, Oh, no touchy, okay.
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00:16:55.039Kind of trying still after all these years to get him to understand that kind of stuff.
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00:17:03.759And he'll ask with gestures, like if he'll be sitting in the recliner, he'll know that I'm behind him, going up the stairs or coming down the stairs.
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00:17:08.400And you can tell by the way he's shaking his head that he wants someone to touch his head.
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00:17:15.599Sometimes he'll flutter his fingers on the tops of his shoulders, waiting for someone to come and squeeze his shoulders.
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00:17:20.480And uh sometimes he'll say, Touch me back, touch me back, which I think is really cute.
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00:17:28.880And in the evening, when it's time for him to go to bed, he'll sit down in front of me on my lounger while his dad gives him his medicine.
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00:17:38.640Then he'll give his dad his water cup so that he can lean back and let me hug him from behind, and then I'll give him a kiss and then he'll go to bed.
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00:17:46.000But now he's starting to sit down in front of me on my lounger, and then he'll say, Touch me back.
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00:17:48.960And the closest thing to him is my feet.
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00:17:57.440So I'll start pushing on his lower back with my feet nice and slow, and he'll go, Oh, I feel good, I feel good.
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00:18:00.400And he'll just start leaning back into my feet.
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00:18:04.799And the more I walk my feet up and down his back, the more good he feels.
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00:18:05.920It's really cute.
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00:18:09.359And he acts like he's been just working like a dog all day.
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00:18:10.480It's just funny.
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00:18:16.319So we do get him a professional massage every month due to his tension from just being him.
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00:18:22.799Even if he's not flapping, you can walk up to him at any time and see that he's got his feet balled up.
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00:18:26.079He won't relax his feet unless you force him to do it.
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00:18:30.240And so just that kind of tension is always on him.
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00:18:35.440He's always like shaking um from being so tense.
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00:18:40.559I know I've mentioned that sometimes his arm will just quiver, and that was concerning me.
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00:18:43.920And I can see that it's just because he's not relaxing.
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00:18:51.519So I have to get him to do yoga breathing, and he doesn't do it right, but you just have to keep trying because he'll just hyperventilate.
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00:19:07.680But if we breathe in, he'll he'll breathe in and out real fast, but we have to set the example, breathe in real slow, and then audibly breathe out long and slow and forcibly, because that teaches him that this is still an exhale.
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00:19:13.039So eventually he'll catch up and he'll figure out that okay, this is this is how we breathe.
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00:19:13.920It is slow.
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00:19:18.559And once he does like three to five of those, he starts to physically relax.
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00:19:24.160But if you go a little longer than that, he starts to get tense again and or maybe he's bored, I'm not sure.
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00:19:26.480The chiropractic is good too.
00:19:26.480 -->
00:19:34.960The one that we go to says that she actually, in her previous practice, she focused on kids with autism for her treatment.
00:19:34.960 -->
00:19:37.200I think, man, that that's really awesome.
00:19:37.200 -->
00:19:43.359I would love for Jacob to go to her, but you know, you can only spend the money once.
00:19:43.359 -->
00:20:01.359I really think that he has a better emotional response to the massage because we have taken him to chiropractic in the past and it didn't seem to do anything for him, but he was really high strung right before his treatment and during his treatment, which I don't think is great.
00:20:01.359 -->
00:20:03.839And then after his treatment, he was just a jerk.
00:20:03.839 -->
00:20:04.720And I don't know.
00:20:04.720 -->
00:20:08.880I just don't think that's good for any of us for him to be in that situation.
00:20:08.880 -->
00:20:19.599I don't know, it might be something like what I said earlier in this episode that maybe it's not that kind of autism that she focuses on, and maybe she doesn't even realize it because she hasn't run into it yet.
00:20:19.599 -->
00:20:20.799That's a good possibility.
00:20:20.799 -->
00:20:28.319I would like to try it with her, but you know, it's not something that I think one adjustment is going to show results.
00:20:28.319 -->
00:20:32.480Maybe in the winter after he's done paying for summer camp and stuff like that.
00:20:32.480 -->
00:20:33.839Maybe we can try that.
00:20:33.839 -->
00:20:42.480But I really think for him and and kids like him who are so tense all the time, I think that lactic acid buildup in the muscles does cause pain.
00:20:42.480 -->
00:20:46.960If it's not massaged out, it just is a it's a lot of pain.
00:20:46.960 -->
00:20:52.400And I think it can contribute to the bad posture and everything just because of the tense muscles.
00:20:52.400 -->
00:20:55.119So I think that's the place to start, at least for our guy.
00:20:55.119 -->
00:20:58.240He's been having a hard time due to the roofing lately.
00:20:58.240 -->
00:21:00.720This has been going on for like a whole week.
00:21:00.720 -->
00:21:02.799He just seems super exhausted.
00:21:02.799 -->
00:21:14.559I mean, he's not destroying anything, he's in pretty good spirits, but he is really exhausted just from I guess regulating himself from the constant banging that's going on.
00:21:14.559 -->
00:21:22.720And he even insists on going to bed during the day, during his normal nap time at two o'clock, when they're banging on the roof right above him.
00:21:22.720 -->
00:21:24.400I can't believe that he even wants to.
00:21:24.400 -->
00:21:27.200And the other day he stayed in there until like 5 30.
00:21:27.200 -->
00:21:30.319And then he went to bed at 8 30 and he was dog ass tired.
00:21:30.319 -->
00:21:36.319It's just, it's really funny, but it must be the amount of stress that it puts on him to hear that banging.
00:21:36.319 -->
00:21:41.359He complains about it every day, but he's doing really well, but he's exhausted at the same time.
00:21:41.359 -->
00:21:54.559Have you guys, anyone out there, have you gone through something like that with home remodeling or roofing or anything that's loud and destructive or constructive, and had your child have some kind of a reaction to it?
00:21:54.559 -->
00:21:59.039I'd love to hear what goes on with your kid in situations like that.
00:21:59.039 -->
00:21:59.759So remember.
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00:22:06.319You can email me at contact.parenting severe autism at gmail.com.
00:22:06.319 -->
00:22:14.079I want to tell you a quick little story about our son narrating my expressions one day.
00:22:14.079 -->
00:22:15.839It was hilarious.
00:22:15.839 -->
00:22:22.880Um, I was in the kitchen having a conversation with his dad, and he was just outside the kitchen watching us.
00:22:22.880 -->
00:22:26.559Because when I'm in the kitchen, the rule is Jacob doesn't come in the kitchen.
00:22:26.559 -->
00:22:31.200You're not doing anything, you're not gonna contribute, you don't cook, you don't clean, get out of the kitchen.
00:22:31.200 -->
00:22:34.720So he stands just outside the kitchen, and that's where he was.
00:22:34.720 -->
00:22:37.519And his dad and I were having some kind of conversation.
00:22:37.519 -->
00:22:41.759So during that conversation, I'm very f expressive facially.
00:22:41.759 -->
00:22:54.799I remember that I raised my eyebrows, and then I narrowed my eyes and kind of frowned, and then I kind of like shook my head and gave a small smile as I was turning away.
00:22:54.799 -->
00:22:58.720And then at the end of the conversation, I gave my fake smile.
00:22:58.720 -->
00:23:04.160So my fake smile is just I I show my teeth and it's not a smile, but it kind of looks like one.
00:23:04.160 -->
00:23:06.000So that was it, okay?
00:23:06.000 -->
00:23:11.200So I raise my eyebrows and I hear Jacob say, Oh, and then I narrow my eyes and I frown.
00:23:11.200 -->
00:23:12.799I hear him go, hmm.
00:23:12.799 -->
00:23:18.160And then I shake my head and uh give a small smile, and he says, ha ha.
00:23:18.160 -->
00:23:22.480And then I give my fake smile and I hear him go, that was great.
00:23:22.480 -->
00:23:28.880He just totally watched my entire conversation of expressions and made his own story.
00:23:28.880 -->
00:23:30.240It was really cute.
00:23:30.240 -->
00:23:37.039In my next episode, I'll be sharing details from what should have been his first of many senior years.
00:23:37.039 -->
00:23:41.279I'm gonna dredge up all those details and dish it out next episode.
00:23:41.279 -->
00:23:44.240I hope you guys had a happy Memorial Day weekend.
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00:23:45.279It came early.
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00:23:46.160It's right now.
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00:23:49.920I'm recording on Saturday of the Memorial Day weekend.
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00:23:53.519And I hope you enjoyed it and I hope you guys are having a great summer.
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00:24:03.440If you need any ideas for clean, organic supplies for summer, such as sunblock and bug repellent and stuff like that.
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00:24:06.880Make sure you check my summer supplies shopping cart.
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00:24:15.839And if you have any trouble accessing the links, you can always message me and I will shoot you a fresh link or fresh recommendations on products.
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00:24:16.880Thank you for listening.
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00:24:17.759Hang in there.
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