S8 EP12: Sara Barron

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Hello I'm Rob Beckett and I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to
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Parenting Hell the show in which Josh and I discuss
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what it's really like to be a parent which I
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would say can be a little tricky.
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So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about
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the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting each week
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we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're.
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Coping or hopefully how they're not coping.
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And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with
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your tips advice and of course tales of parenting.
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Woe because let's be honest there are plenty of times
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where none of us know what we're doing Hello, you're
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listening to Parents in Hell with.
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Sonny, say Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett.
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Sonny, say Joshua to come.
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Spot on. Oh, my word, that voice at the end
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was weird, wasn't it?
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Spot on.
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Is that North East?
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All reach, lads.
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Oh, got to be, innit?
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Yeah. These are my girls, Rudy5, asking Sonny2 to say
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your names. I'm a postie, so I get a chance
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to listen to your podcast when I'm missioning about. That's it, really. Peace.
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Fair enough. Or Reet.
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It's got to be Neil Feast, isn't it? Are you
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allowed to listen to podcasts when you're postmaning?
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The rate mine's going, he's allowed to not deliver posts
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as well.
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There we go.
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To be fair, he's a good little postman. I just
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thought that'd be a funny joke.
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Yeah, it's a bit of a joke.
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That's the problem, isn't it, when you do this for
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a job? You say that as a little joke, but
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then next week you'll go, what did you say about me?
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I'm like, oh, man, I'm just trying to get something away.
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Yeah, come on. I'm just trying to be funny for
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10 minutes. I'm just trying to get something funny out
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of Screwfix, and now look where we are.
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Right, Josh, there's a couple of things I wanted to
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run past you from when we spoke on Tuesday.
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Right.
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So we are dads. This is a parenting podcast.
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Yeah.
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Is that the first one?
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Yeah, just confirming that. I'm doing the right one, aren't I?
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Right.
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Barbecues. Now, I want to talk to you about barbecuing.
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Yeah.
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It's almost like a cliche that dads get into barbecuing. Yeah,
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and cooking meat and smoking and all that.
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In early February?
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No, no, not now, but for the summer. But it's spring,
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so you've got to start thinking about, well, that's what
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I was saying, have you got a barbecue? Do you
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really want one? Because I feel like I want a
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barbecue and I want to be a barbecuer, but I
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don't know if I really do. And it's like, is
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it that when you get old that you like it
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or do I just do it because that's what's expected
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of me?
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Has David Beckham cooked that mushroom on?
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He might have been that, actually. The way Beckham cooked
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that mushroom in his document. But it's like everyone my
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age does it.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like I should be doing it, but
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I don't even know if I want to be doing
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it or I could be bothered.
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Well, I think they do it as an escape, don't they?
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It's like, I'll go out there for two hours and
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get the barbecue ready.
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That's what I feel like I'm doing it for.
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It's difficult because I'm veggie, obviously, so it doesn't appeal
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as much.
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Yeah.
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But who are you envisaging coming round?
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No one, really. It's more for me.
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So you can get ones that now, that aren't like,
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I've got to go and get the charcoal going for
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two hours and like.
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Because that's the thing, I want a charcoal one because
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it tastes nicer in gas, but... Right, yeah. What are
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you suggesting a gas one?
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Well, I'm suggesting that if it's just for you, it
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feels mental for you to be getting the charcoal going,
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making yourself one burger and then being done.
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Lou would probably eat it, but the girls wouldn't really.
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They'd rather me just put some sausages in the oven.
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Exactly, that's the problem.
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So what am I doing it for?
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Yeah.
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Because I think that'd be nice, wouldn't it? In the summer,
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cooking all that up.
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I think if you're going to have a barbecue, Rob,
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you're going to have people around you that you don't
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want around.
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Yeah, and then I'm cooking all day, aren't I? But
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then I can't just start doing like a brisket for me.
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But then you're cooking because you don't want to be
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talking to them. The person who's doing the barbecue is
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the least sociable person. You're basically styling being an introvert
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as being the life and soul of the party if
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you're on the barbecue.
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Yes.
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Of course I was, mate. I was the one doing
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the bloody barbecue. But actually you're going, yeah, leave me
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in the fucking corner with these burgers and I'll tell
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you which are veg and which are not when you
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walk over and that's the only conversation I want to
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have all day.
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Yeah, anyway, I'll have a think about it. I don't
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know what I'm doing, but I just wanted your opinion
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on it.
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I think you should do it.
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It just feels almost too on brand for me to
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get into it, doesn't it?
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Yeah. It's a bit like.
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There it is. I love the pizza oven, though.
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I use that.
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Yeah. Getting into it's weird because... I think people who
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get into it must have more time than me. When
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are they getting into it?
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So I think it's because most people work nine to five,
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so they know that they've got all day Sunday.
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Right, yeah, yeah.
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So if they go and grab it after work or
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on a Saturday, they know on Sunday, they might take
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their kids to a bit of something in the morning.
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Yeah.
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Then all afternoon, you can cook while the football's on.
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But you're at Radio 2.
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Yeah, exactly. So I'm at Radio 2, so I'm going
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to miss most of that. And then it's Saturdays, but
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then I'm normally work Saturday, so I'm going to be
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cooking a brisket on my own on a Tuesday.
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Okay.
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I don't even really want. What I don't want to
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do is be recording this in summer and hear you
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sizzling away.
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One second. I'm a bit late. I'm just putting the
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charcoal on for a slow cook. And then cleaning it
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as well. We need a small business chef so we
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can clean barbecues.
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There's so much mess associated with it. And then a
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huge bowl of fucking salad that you're going to throw away.
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You put it in the fridge and then the next
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morning you're like, why did I put that back in
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the fridge?
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Look at it.
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It's got dressing on. Cold store straight in the bin.
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No one wanted the cold store again. You make a
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solid point. But I think that's why people get into
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it is when they've got all weekend. Yeah. We work weekends,
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don't we?
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Look at David Beckham. What the fuck's he doing really?
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He sort of floats around like playing dress up, doesn't he?
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Like fancy dress his life. His little Miami suits when
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he's into Miami. Then he looks like Sherlock Holmes walking
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a dog and cooking a mushroom.
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Yeah.
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He was an absolute serial killer. If he weren't David
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Beckham and I went, what have you been up to?
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I sort of dress up Sherlock Holmes, go to a
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tent at the bottom of my garden and cook one mushroom.
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Why?
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I don't know. I think I've got too much money.
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I don't know what to do. So I just panic
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bought a mushroom. Anyway, I just thought I'd pick a
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brain about that. Oh, did I tell you about what
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Lou did? I put it on my Instagram. I don't
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know if you saw that. She woke me up at
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like seven in the morning. This was the first half term.
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She woke me up at like seven in the morning
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and went, oh, We need to get some fabric condition.
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I need to put a load of wash on today.
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So I'm going to go grab some quick from the shop.
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The shop's five minutes away from our house.
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Yeah.
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She drove in the car and on autopilot did the
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school run. Drove to the school just 20 minutes away.
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Without the kids?
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No kids in the car. They're in their beds on iPads. Basically,
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she got to the school and was like, I've gone
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the wrong way.
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What am I doing?
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Because the shop was five minutes away. Then she carried
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her on going away from our house to a shop
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she remembered going to when we lived at our old house.
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Oh my God. She was gone for an hour and
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a half. Rob, Lou's having an affair, by the way.
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She's the way.
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She was exhausted when she got back. Rob, what can
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I do? I like your Instagram posts. Yeah. I watch
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them by clicking through to you. But Instagram has decided
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you are not one of my chosen people. Not on
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the top. However much I do this. You never come up.
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So you also have seen this on Instagram.
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Yours always comes up. Yeah. What are your top three ones?
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If you go to your Instagram now, what ones are
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you getting?
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I'm not going to tell you, Rob. Because two of
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them are comedians that I think are really shit, so
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I watch all of their stories.
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Oh, that's the problem, isn't it?
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That's the problem.
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That's a huge problem. But then if you just refresh it,
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it always changes it anyway, doesn't it?
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Does it?
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Yeah. If you refresh it, it just brings up different ones.
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Right.
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Do you want to do some correspondence?
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Should we do one bit of correspondence?
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Well, let's just do one little bit because we get lost.
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Thanks so much for sending it in. We talk so
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much shit, though. We forget to do it, don't we?
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I know. I'll just do the top one. Okay.
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Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb,
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Luke and Sassy Scott, called one of their new baby Beckett... Sorry.
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Sorry.
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Did Rob see the... That's not too corresponding.
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Sarah Barron.
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Do you know what's weird? I find reading out loud
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so hard.
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It's weird.
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Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb,
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Luke and Sassy Scott, do you know these?
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I don't know these.
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No, I don't know these.
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Called one of their new baby twins, Bobby Beckett.
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No.
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Bobby B-O-B-B-I Beckett. Must be super fans of the show
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from Anna. They must sound like they're American.
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Wow, Bobby Beckett.
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Luke and Sassy Scott.
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So is Beckett the middle name?
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No, it's a hyphen, so it's like Anne-Marie Beckett. It's
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Bobby Beckett and then whatever the... Sassy Scott.
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Luke and Sassy Scott.
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Melbourne brothers. Luke and Sassy Scott. Right, so they're a
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gay couple that have had twins and they're from Melbourne.
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Wait, are they brothers?
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They can't be brothers. Look, I'm a very liberal man,
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but I cannot... I cannot say I'm okay with two brothers.
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Being in a relationship and having children. You've got to draw,
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you must draw the line somewhere. We've interviewed gay men
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that have had children through all different means and I'm
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fully for it. No problem with it whatsoever. However, two brothers,
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I can't abide it. They can't be brothers, can they?
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Are they just brothers that have had kids together?
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Or what does it say, the brothers? What does it say,
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the brothers?
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Well, I'm 500 years old.
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Also, I'm like, a part of me is trying to
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backtrack and go, yeah, it's probably okay, actually, for two brothers.
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It can't be. No, it can be if they're just
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bringing up two kids together. They're not in a couple. Right.
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Luke 32 and Scott 37 are part of a tight-knit
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family going about everyday lives. Luke is a radiographer at
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the Melbourne Hospital and Scott is a general manager at
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the Port Melbourne venue, the Timber Yard.
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It says Melbourne Brothers on their Instagram. So they're brothers,
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they're not a couple. We can't do correspondence ever again.
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They are brothers, I think. They can't have kids, can they?
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I don't understand, does he think? Look at Ceci's car.
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Do they have children?
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Are they still together?
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What's that mean?
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Are they still together?
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This is incest. Now, I think, right, so I think
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they are brothers that do funny videos together. Sassy Scott
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has been trying to... Right. Thank the fucking Lord I've
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worked this out.
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Right.
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Luke and Sassy Scott are brothers that do funny videos.
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Sassy Scott has been trying to have children with his
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partner Marcus. Thank God. So Sassy Scott has got twins
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with his partner Marcus and one's called Bobby Beckett. His
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brother who he works with, he's not in a relationship.
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Well, that's the end of the correspondence.
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Yes.
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Welcome, yeah.
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Welcome, Sarah Barron.
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At one point, I was just going to say, it's
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okay to fuck your brother.
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But it's not, is it? It's to their own. I
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don't know anymore. Goodbye to judge.
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I'll be on GB News trying to defend it. I
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just don't think it's okay to fuck your brother. I've
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been dropped by Sky.
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I've been cancelled.
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What did you say? I just didn't think it was okay.
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He's a fucking brother.
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Anyway, here's Sarah Barron. Jesus.
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It's hard, isn't it, 2024? So, welcome to the podcast, Sarah.
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We've all met before, actually, on Josh's show, Hypothetical.
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Years ago.
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Yeah, we all did together.
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I mean, I feel like, you know, there's like, you
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want openness, right? But then sometimes someone can take it
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to a too open level and it gets instantly cringeworthy. Yeah.
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But I felt that my, and I've said this, I've
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certainly said this to James Acaster. I don't know if
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I've said this to either of you. That was one
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of my waking nightmare professional moments was my experience on Hypothetical.
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And so I feel so grateful to be here and
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traumatized to see both of your faces together again. Oh
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my gosh. It was like the kind of thing that
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you'd have a nightmare about where you're on a panel
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show and you're like, what am I supposed to say?
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What am I supposed to say? Like my buzzcocks. Like
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my buzzcocks.
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That your buzzcocks, Josh?
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That was my buzzcocks. Well, no, I'm not saying it
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was for you. Not from the outside. I texted Alex
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Horne who hosted my buzzcocks disaster about six months ago
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about it. He had no memory of it. It's only
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in your own head, mate. Yes.
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I'm shocked to hear that you didn't enjoy that and
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you didn't, I just felt, oh, he's really funny and
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just joined in and it was fine.
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And here you are now.
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Well, here I am now, I think is the thing.
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And for me, this is going to be, and I'll
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just lean into the American-ness here, this is going to
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be what we call an emotionally corrective experience.
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Brilliant.
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This is good.
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Yeah, so that I can start to feel... excited by
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your faces together instead of like hearkening back to that
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2019 crash and burn failure. It wasn't.
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I mean, everyone's got one of those. Everyone's got one.
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Mine was what I lied to you. I had a
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nightmare on that. But it probably was fine, but I
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felt like it was awful. So why did you feel
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like that was awful, Sarah? What was going on?
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I mean, I don't know how inside baseball this will
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or won't get. So first of all, it was the
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two of you, Obbs, James, and Jonathan Ross and Maisie Adam. Yes.
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Good lineup, that, isn't it? Fucking hell.
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Great lineup. Don't get that on Dave anymore. No.
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Like, this is never the best way to start is
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by talking about what a piece of shit you are,
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unless maybe it's somehow charming. But I can remember being
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backstage and watching Maisie, who has come up and up
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and up since then, and watching her chat, like do
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this sort of backstage Jonathan Ross chat.
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And thinking like, You know, they say what they always
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say before you do these things. It's like, it's like
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you're at a dinner party. Just have a good time.
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Then you're sat there as the newbie being like, that's
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Jonathan fucking Ross.
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Yeah.
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Okay. But just like, just be cool. Just be cool.
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And I'm much older. Like I started stand up late.
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So I'm older than everyone and everyone's younger. And I
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thought like my outfit was bad. I thought like I
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looked like a middle-aged lady trying to look like 25
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and And there was Maisie and she was in like
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a perfect shirt and her awesome combat boots with her
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good hair. She was honestly talking to Jonathan Ross. like
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she was just at a dinner party. It was so effortless.
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From then I was like, I'm on a downhill slope already.
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And then I just got on and I don't, if
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I'm not mistaken, Josh, part of the way that you
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guys devised that show was you wanted to give your
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colleagues a way of being on TV without having to
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do any prep work. Like just show up and we'll
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do this thing. And it's like a great format. And
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so everyone was like, this is the great thing about hypothetical. Like,
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it's them. They're fun. They're not there to, like, edge
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you out. They don't want you to have to prep.
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And I'm like, please let me have some prep. Like,
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please give me some work because I... freeze and this
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is gross and it's status obsessed but that's part of
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my vibe like I do not do well when I'm
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afraid of people and it's not that I was afraid
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of you guys but I was like this is what
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they do it's what they do and it's not what
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I do and I just sat there. I don't remember
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this at all, really. Like, my face was turning hot red.
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It's what Maisie is born for. Jonathan Ross is a king.
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Rob Beckett's going, going, going. And I was just like....
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We weren't mean to you though, were we, Sarah?
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No, no, no, no, no. First of all, if you
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were mean to me, then no. But it was like,
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and I know it's not going to be interesting for
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your listeners to sit and have me just like compliment
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you guys.
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I think if I'm honest, this is the best start
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we've ever.
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Had to an interview.
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There was some other point, Rob, where I saw you
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and I like was just instantly like, oh, just like
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nausea because I associated it with this like sinking feeling.
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And I will just say this and then we can
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close this down. But there was some point when I
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went out to dinner with James Acaster. Like he'd come
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to a show that I did and then we went
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to get a bite afterwards. I was like, this is
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really nice because that was so humiliating. And he was like,
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here's what went wrong for you. And I was like,
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thank you. I felt like he was willing to. To
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acknowledge what had happened.
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I'm not acknowledging it. I barely remember it. Let alone
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Acaster giving you his points of view on where you
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went wrong.
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Yeah, who the fuck's he? I'm going to tell you
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where you went wrong. Fuck off, mate. Unless you're buying dinner.
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Keep your mouth shut. That's what I'll tell you.
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It was from a place of kindness.
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Yeah, no, he's a good bloke.
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He hasn't bought dinner since Off Menu started in 2019.
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Free desserts all round. So what did he say then? Well,
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I've got no memory of that. And apologies when you
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look at me, you feel nauseous. I reckon you'll get
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along with Lou.
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So did you consider not doing this?
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Not doing this no please come on i sent in
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i was like can someone help me get on parenting
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hell please no no no no we've met you guys
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are nice i had a crash and burn that's all
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but we're gonna try so hard to not crash and
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burn this time.
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You might have felt like that but when we're off
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air i'll give you a list of people that crashed
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and burned far worse than you did on hypothetical but
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i don't think that's for now Even on this episode,
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what we've only been recording for about five minutes, I'd
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say it's been more entertaining and funnier than some guest's
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whole hour.
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You guys, you're so sweet.
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How many kids you got, Sarah? Let's get on to that.
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I have one son who is approaching his eighth birthday. Right.
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How is he?
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How is he? He is medium at the moment.
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In what regard medium?
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You know, they're really getting into that point when they're
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getting towards seven, eight, where like those personalities are really
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starting to come out.
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Yeah.
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And he is an eccentric. He's like a little professor.
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He's very into, and he goes to a state school,
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but it's a uniform free state school, which British people
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have a real response to. But as an American, I
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didn't grow up with uniforms. So it's all very sort of.
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Comfortable for me.
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But you don't have a uniform in America.
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No. And I have really mixed feelings. Well, actually, I
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say I have mixed feelings. I don't. I think like
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my friends whose kids go to regular state schools where
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they're in a uniform are like, oh, oh, look at
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this little like... middle class setup where everyone's just in
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their regular clothes and i'm like you know i think
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there's real positives to no uniforms and real positives to
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uniforms fine yeah.
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Normally if you're from like a bit of a poor
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area it's like really highlights if you're different i mean
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if you've not got the newest trainers or the best
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brands and stuff like that and then that takes a
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layer of awkwardness away because in america i don't know
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it's like that because it's optional you can wear what
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you want you obviously it's compulsory to take a gun Obviously,
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I mean, right, right. The clothes, you can wear what
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you want.
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Here's the thing, right? So I think theoretically the uniform
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is great for the exact reasons that you're describing. Again,
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and I've lived here for 11 years. I've chosen to
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make my home here. We have no intention of moving back.
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Why would I? But I say it's like the second
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Trump presidency looms. But a thing I do find interesting
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is that like despite that sort of real effort to...
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eliminate a sense of difference through clothing. It is still
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true that the class difference stuff is so much more
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prevalent here than it is in the States, you know? But,
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you know, I suppose if it's an imperfect solution, it's
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still one to have.
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But it's still with uniforms. Like those kids at my
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school didn't have much money. None of us really did.
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It wasn't sort of a very sort of rich area,
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but like there were kids that had blazers on that
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were eight sizes too big because that was going to
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see them through to year 10. So they'd have like
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sleeves rolled up or in year 10, they'll have shorts
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that are off their shin because they were too small.
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They were hand-me-downs and stuff like that. still you can
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still see.
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And there was a kid at my school who had
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tippex on the penis bit of his trousers and it
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looked like semen and it was therefore every day because
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he only had one pair of trousers.
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Josh, I have no idea what semen you've seen, but
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I bet I've seen more than you. And I don't
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00:20:07.930 --> 00:20:10.490
think I've ever seen any semen that looks like Tippex.
499
00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:13.119
Oh, if you're at school and someone's got a white
500
00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:15.140
mark around their crotch, that's spunk, mate.
501
00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.009
You just got to go spunk on that one.
502
00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:17.500
You got to go spunk.
503
00:20:17.539 --> 00:20:22.640
It's like... Like a crispy and very clearly so white.
504
00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.740
No, we're not saying it actually is semen. But if
505
00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.460
you're 13 and you've got a wide mark around your
506
00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:30.369
penis area.
507
00:20:30.549 --> 00:20:31.650
Yeah, you just got to go for spunk.
508
00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:32.630
It's an open goal.
509
00:20:32.809 --> 00:20:34.109
Okay, fine. I support that.
510
00:20:34.170 --> 00:20:34.509
Yeah.
511
00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:36.990
Well, the natural arc of conversation for me is always
512
00:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.660
from spunk into my son. And that's just the natural
513
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.779
course that we should go. He loves suits. This is
514
00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:47.079
what I wanted to tell you about him. He only
515
00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:50.099
feels like himself if he wears little suits.
516
00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:50.839
With a tie?
517
00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:54.250
Not always, but he will sometimes wear a tie. Like
518
00:20:54.289 --> 00:20:55.730
if it's a special occasion, he likes to put a
519
00:20:55.769 --> 00:20:59.190
bow tie on. And he likes to wear a top hat.
520
00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:00.809
Is your son Tom Allen?
521
00:21:00.829 --> 00:21:02.029
Yeah.
522
00:21:02.490 --> 00:21:05.670
I kind of think he is Tom Allen. And funnily,
523
00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:07.769
he met Tom Allen when he was a little baby,
524
00:21:07.829 --> 00:21:10.480
and I feel like some bit of the essence, I
525
00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:14.700
should be so lucky, found its way into my little
526
00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.200
professor of a seven-and-a-half-year-old.
527
00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:19.539
So how does it get into suits? Like, what's the
528
00:21:19.579 --> 00:21:20.019
kind of.
529
00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:21.579
The sort of legs in first and the jacket on,
530
00:21:21.619 --> 00:21:24.480
isn't it? Well, you got a jacket first.
531
00:21:24.589 --> 00:21:28.059
Yeah. That's such an interesting question. How did he? Because
532
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:29.660
I was looking through like old photos of him. And
533
00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.480
when he was five, we were on some like family
534
00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.740
holiday when it was warm. And I was like, oh, right.
535
00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:38.430
He was still wearing like shorts and a T-shirt. Whereas
536
00:21:38.549 --> 00:21:41.430
now it would be like, mom, any chance of a
537
00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:44.150
linen suit?
538
00:21:44.529 --> 00:21:46.390
So in summer, he'd still wear it. Would he wear
539
00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:49.349
those like, you know, the smart shorts that Tom Allen wears?
540
00:21:49.819 --> 00:21:51.660
He would like to. That would be because, you know,
541
00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.470
like I'm not going to spend that much money on him.
542
00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:56.829
My husband really likes spending money on him and I
543
00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:00.029
hate spending money on him. If we spend that money
544
00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:04.190
on me, I will really enjoy it. But if we
545
00:22:04.230 --> 00:22:07.519
get him like a 10 pound pair of shorts or
546
00:22:07.539 --> 00:22:11.039
a 30 pound pair of shorts, he doesn't know the difference.
547
00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:13.480
Whereas I sort of do. And I resent like any
548
00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:16.289
if any of his stuff were to possibly require even
549
00:22:16.349 --> 00:22:18.450
so much as like a cold water wash, that would
550
00:22:18.490 --> 00:22:18.829
annoy me.
551
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.920
Yeah also as well designer stuff you see people buying
552
00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:25.000
their kids like people you normally I sort of half
553
00:22:25.059 --> 00:22:27.119
judge but they'll buy their kid like a Canada Goose
554
00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.789
coat that's like 600 pounds yeah that will not fit
555
00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:32.509
him in a year and I don't care how much
556
00:22:32.829 --> 00:22:35.150
money I'd ever earn there is no way on earth
557
00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.450
I'm getting my kid a designer coat they're going to
558
00:22:37.470 --> 00:22:39.880
grow out of within a year It's insane.
559
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.380
Also, your income can be what your income is, but
560
00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.279
it doesn't have to visually present in a certain way.
561
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:46.680
Right.
562
00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.460
So it's like I just don't like when anything says
563
00:22:49.660 --> 00:22:52.279
too much about you and any of those labels, especially
564
00:22:52.339 --> 00:22:55.259
on a child. It's like, yeah, it's just like throwing
565
00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.740
the money away. But that is the most noteworthy thing
566
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.380
about him, I would say, at this stage.
567
00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.079
And does his personality fit the suit? So when he's
568
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.259
wearing his suit in his mind, is he a kind of.
569
00:23:07.099 --> 00:23:11.509
English gentleman of a bygone era or city trader?
570
00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:15.609
Great question, Josh.
571
00:23:16.289 --> 00:23:19.430
And I think he is. But now, obviously, do you
572
00:23:19.490 --> 00:23:21.569
find like just that all the parents you talk to,
573
00:23:21.609 --> 00:23:25.279
like as the parent, you're simultaneously the one who knows
574
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:26.759
the most. And then also you are straight up the
575
00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:30.819
person who knows the least about any possible answer you
576
00:23:30.859 --> 00:23:34.210
have surrounding your own child. Because there's all the shit
577
00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.359
that we just want to believe to be true. So
578
00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:39.799
on the one hand, I would really like it if
579
00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.160
my son grew up to be like successful and make money.
580
00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:44.140
I mean, we can say we want him to be happy,
581
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:50.480
but like, come on. Like, really? But truthfully, as honest
582
00:23:50.549 --> 00:23:52.650
as I think I can be, I'm not getting a
583
00:23:52.690 --> 00:23:53.990
city trader vibe from him.
584
00:23:54.009 --> 00:23:54.789
It's much more honest.
585
00:23:56.970 --> 00:24:00.380
I am from the Victorian period. Like it really is
586
00:24:00.450 --> 00:24:05.559
more Tom Allen kind of. And he likes to feel fancy.
587
00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:08.250
I think he's maybe even said that sentence to me.
588
00:24:08.309 --> 00:24:11.789
Like because I can feel really guilty sometimes because like
589
00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:14.359
he likes sometimes to wear a top hat. And that
590
00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:16.759
pushes it for me in terms of how much eccentricity
591
00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:17.519
I can manage.
592
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:21.440
There's a lot of attention out in the shop. So
593
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.539
Lou doesn't like people looking or attention. So if she
594
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.200
goes out with kids in top hats, she'd be like,
595
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.160
oh God, people are looking now.
596
00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:30.769
That's exactly the whole thing. And like, I like attention.
597
00:24:30.809 --> 00:24:33.130
Like if I got the attention, but like, I don't
598
00:24:33.170 --> 00:24:35.809
want anyone else in my family getting it. And it
599
00:24:35.869 --> 00:24:41.930
can be so, it just is. It says so much.
600
00:24:42.509 --> 00:24:45.799
And it's like you get a lot of looks. And
601
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.240
he's got this huge head of curls. So it's this
602
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.940
huge head of curls. And he's very into like period dressing,
603
00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:56.380
not period like Victorian era, but like before we started recording,
604
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.450
we were talking about Josh's affection for the Beatles, which
605
00:24:58.509 --> 00:25:01.470
my husband has. He's passed that on to my son.
606
00:25:01.970 --> 00:25:03.910
So he will often be like, is this like a
607
00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.970
1967 look? And I'm like, no. I know it's cute,
608
00:25:08.009 --> 00:25:11.319
but this is what I'm saying. 1967 is kind of cute,
609
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.339
but top of the morning to you top hat is
610
00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:18.420
like getting a little too much information. And we want
611
00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.059
our children to express themselves. Yeah. But you're like, but
612
00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:27.789
not at fucking my expense here, buddy.
613
00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:31.650
There's a difference between wearing like slightly off center clothes, like,
614
00:25:31.730 --> 00:25:33.950
you know, a 60 suit or whatever. But if he's
615
00:25:33.990 --> 00:25:36.769
wandering around actually playing a character all the time, it's
616
00:25:36.789 --> 00:25:39.690
sort of like, where's the line between engaging with society
617
00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:43.200
and his classmates and everyone? And then also just performing
618
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:45.359
at people, essentially. It's sort of a bit of a
619
00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.160
weird gray area, isn't it? Yes.
620
00:25:47.299 --> 00:25:48.980
And I think, you know, it's mostly the top hat
621
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.019
doesn't come out. But we went to the London Bridge experience.
622
00:25:52.059 --> 00:25:53.500
Like we were like trying to find a nice thing
623
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.980
to do because it's half term when we're not going away.
624
00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:58.089
And so we felt like, let's do a nice thing.
625
00:25:58.589 --> 00:26:00.910
Like he wanted the top hat as part of the...
626
00:26:01.460 --> 00:26:04.240
But otherwise, it's mostly not a top hat day. And
627
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.259
I breathe a sigh of relief, which I feel shitty about.
628
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.750
What about his friends?
629
00:26:08.990 --> 00:26:11.410
Josh, why don't you just say, does your son have friends? Like,
630
00:26:11.450 --> 00:26:13.890
why don't you just ask it the way you want
631
00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:17.599
to ask it, buddy? Yes, he does. And what is
632
00:26:17.650 --> 00:26:20.039
really lovely is he's friends with the other.
633
00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:23.759
But what I mean is, are they just wearing T-shirt
634
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.440
and trousers? And do they go... there's that guy in
635
00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:28.599
the top hat or does it like come up?
636
00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.240
So let me be real clear about the top hat.
637
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.940
The top hat appears twice a month. I'm giving it
638
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.000
to you as an anecdote because I want to entertain
639
00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:37.059
the masses.
640
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:37.880
But it's not.
641
00:26:38.009 --> 00:26:38.529
No, no, no.
642
00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:40.829
It's not the fixture. So he has this little group
643
00:26:40.869 --> 00:26:43.849
of friends. They're all the other nerds.
644
00:26:44.009 --> 00:26:44.430
Yeah, yeah.
645
00:26:44.690 --> 00:26:47.369
Which we're really comfortable with as a family because that's
646
00:26:47.410 --> 00:26:50.109
very much the identity that my husband and I grew
647
00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:50.470
up with.
648
00:26:50.789 --> 00:26:51.009
Yeah.
649
00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:55.150
But to your question, no. One of them is like,
650
00:26:55.740 --> 00:27:00.349
a great dresser. You know, he's just in like bright colors.
651
00:27:00.750 --> 00:27:03.970
The other couple are like very, very normal dressing, but
652
00:27:04.009 --> 00:27:05.769
all of them are like the nerdy boys who aren't
653
00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:07.369
into football. Yeah.
654
00:27:07.490 --> 00:27:10.390
Because eight year old boys into football, it's like a cult.
655
00:27:11.029 --> 00:27:14.039
It's the full kit, football at the weekends, football in
656
00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:16.279
the weeks. And it's like, it obsesses them. Like I
657
00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:18.380
was one of those kids growing up and you see
658
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.299
them at the school gates. They're just, and if you're
659
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:23.240
not into football, it's impenetrable for a boy, you know,
660
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.279
like to get into that world.
661
00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:29.369
Well, my father is like a guy who maybe would
662
00:27:29.390 --> 00:27:32.960
watch a U.S. Super Bowl, maybe. But otherwise, a sporting
663
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.319
event was never on in our house. I have wound
664
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:40.539
up married to someone who I would say feels antagonized
665
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:44.559
by sport. Like my dad just didn't care. My husband
666
00:27:44.619 --> 00:27:48.940
feels it's like a personal attack on him. Whereas I
667
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.700
kind of feel like I'm not into it. And I
668
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:55.900
really feel sad that I'm not into it because what
669
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.079
I have gleaned from most of the world who loves
670
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.779
sport is it gives you shape. That's what you want
671
00:28:01.819 --> 00:28:04.519
in your life. You want some shape. You want things
672
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.519
to look forward to. You want like marks in the calendar.
673
00:28:08.539 --> 00:28:10.480
And you don't have that when you're not into sport.
674
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.700
So I do kind of wish my son was into it.
675
00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:15.930
But like... Then he'll say like, why am I not
676
00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:19.509
into football? And I'm like, because dad and I don't
677
00:28:20.809 --> 00:28:24.619
care about it. But I don't think it's bad. I
678
00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:26.539
just don't care.
679
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.480
My dad didn't like football at all. It's probably same
680
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.289
way as your dad. He didn't get angry by it,
681
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.000
but just wouldn't watch it at all. Was never in
682
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.910
the house. My mum never really liked football, but us
683
00:28:36.950 --> 00:28:39.049
boys just got into football, were obsessed by football. And
684
00:28:39.069 --> 00:28:41.609
then my mum used to watch Soccer AM when we
685
00:28:41.650 --> 00:28:44.150
weren't even living there anymore because it reminded her of
686
00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:45.869
when all the boys were at home, that's what you
687
00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:48.119
put on on a Saturday. So it was like, yeah,
688
00:28:48.170 --> 00:28:49.980
my dad was never into it, but we all properly
689
00:28:50.019 --> 00:28:53.140
got into football. But South East London is obsessed with football.
690
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.539
I don't know, are you guys in London?
691
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.140
Yes, we're in North East. That's an interesting thing as well.
692
00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:02.769
It's like the way that the community raises you alongside
693
00:29:02.809 --> 00:29:04.109
your parents. You know?
694
00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:04.769
Yeah.
695
00:29:04.809 --> 00:29:05.309
Well, exactly.
696
00:29:05.349 --> 00:29:07.450
So if you're surrounded by it at school, that's all
697
00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:09.130
we did was play football. It was just like, and
698
00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:11.690
even in PE, they stopped doing rugby and cricket because
699
00:29:11.710 --> 00:29:13.380
everyone would just start kicking it.
700
00:29:13.390 --> 00:29:18.430
So you have no interest in those other sports. It
701
00:29:18.470 --> 00:29:19.730
was just football for you.
702
00:29:19.750 --> 00:29:23.140
Just football and boxing. Those two are my main ones.
703
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.880
But then I watch a bit of basketball and I'll
704
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.059
watch like the Olympics and stuff like that. But yeah,
705
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.220
cricket and rugby, nothing really. They were seen as posh sports.
706
00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.440
That ain't for us. That's for someone else. We have
707
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.049
football and boxing and maybe the Olympics when it's on,
708
00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:36.549
but that's it.
709
00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:40.369
I've always felt like, if I may, a controversial... opinion,
710
00:29:40.410 --> 00:29:41.910
but I'm saying this to you so that you can
711
00:29:41.970 --> 00:29:43.430
explain to me what I'm getting wrong.
712
00:29:43.690 --> 00:29:44.160
Go for it.
713
00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:46.779
I feel like people who like boxing, and I understand
714
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.880
there's an art to it, whatever. I feel like because
715
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:54.420
to me it just reads as watching people violently hurt
716
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.700
each other. Yeah. If you are able to actively watch
717
00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:01.690
boxing- you are the people who would have shown up
718
00:30:01.730 --> 00:30:02.589
to a public stoning.
719
00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:04.369
Yeah, I think I would have.
720
00:30:04.390 --> 00:30:07.279
There is something in you, Rob, where you're capable of
721
00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:12.079
watching extreme physical violence befall someone. And explain to me
722
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.359
how this is entertainment. I don't understand.
723
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.039
So I think it's entertainment. It's a working class sport
724
00:30:17.059 --> 00:30:19.720
because I think what it is is it's like if
725
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.630
you try hard enough and you put as much effort
726
00:30:22.730 --> 00:30:26.220
in and you're brave, you can escape your situation. And
727
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.269
it's the most sort of tangible way to get out
728
00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:32.470
of not having money. It's an escape from that background
729
00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:35.009
of no money and no opportunity. And being able to
730
00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:38.130
watch someone go and do that is inspiring. Cause he's like, Oh,
731
00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:40.789
they are not only are they taking a chance, like
732
00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:42.950
all by starting a business, they're like putting their like
733
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.500
life on the line to create something for himself, which
734
00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.400
I find quite inspiring. And it's a one man band
735
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.240
kind of thing. So I think that that's what it is. But,
736
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:53.920
As well, I think, and this might be a bit
737
00:30:54.029 --> 00:30:55.609
too dark, maybe a bit too deep, maybe a bit
738
00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:59.589
too open. I think people from certain backgrounds that are
739
00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:02.170
maybe surrounded by violence or the threat of violence or
740
00:31:02.670 --> 00:31:05.829
of feeling a bit vulnerable, which is what people from
741
00:31:05.849 --> 00:31:08.509
those kind of low income or working class backgrounds are
742
00:31:08.549 --> 00:31:10.809
surrounded by. You sort of watch it going, oh, at
743
00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:14.630
least it ain't me. And that's a relief.
744
00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:19.750
So in other words, you're not weird because you like it.
745
00:31:20.390 --> 00:31:22.009
I'm a middle class bitch.
746
00:31:22.230 --> 00:31:26.640
No, no, no. I totally understand why people don't like it.
747
00:31:27.069 --> 00:31:29.670
But that's sort of what you think is what takes
748
00:31:29.690 --> 00:31:32.009
someone down the path of getting into it.
749
00:31:32.069 --> 00:31:34.049
And also it's kind of the thing where like a
750
00:31:34.069 --> 00:31:36.859
lot of the people in it are working class from
751
00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:37.359
those backgrounds.
752
00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:39.059
Do you ever get any middle class boxers?
753
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.819
Not really. It's all normally from tough backgrounds. And then
754
00:31:42.859 --> 00:31:45.559
what happens is all their friends and family support them
755
00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:49.069
and buy tickets. So- everyone sort of half knows a boxer.
756
00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:51.839
Like my uncle was a boxer. Everyone's got someone, either
757
00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:54.319
a cousin or a friend or someone that did boxing
758
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.480
and you'd go and watch them fight. And then it
759
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:57.759
might be a friend of a friend and you go, oh,
760
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.460
I'll go with you to watch them. So it's sort
761
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.740
of like the same way as, you know, you might
762
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.619
have friends that have written a play and you'll go
763
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.400
and watch that play.
764
00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:08.720
Well, it's like when those boxers become, they're real folk,
765
00:32:08.859 --> 00:32:11.619
I mean, it's a weird phrasing, but they're folk heroes
766
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:16.329
of the place they're from. They really represent their community. Like,
767
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:18.160
Barry McGuigan when he was.
768
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:18.970
Like Ricky Hatton.
769
00:32:19.130 --> 00:32:20.589
Yeah, Ricky Hatton from Manchester.
770
00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:22.430
He was Manchester, but he was in a small town
771
00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:25.269
near Hyde, I think it is. He was going to
772
00:32:25.430 --> 00:32:28.490
Vegas to fight Floyd Mayweather. But it's a bit like
773
00:32:28.529 --> 00:32:30.970
what Oasis did for those kind of people. It's like, oh,
774
00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:32.690
you can be this, but be mega.
775
00:32:32.930 --> 00:32:33.230
Yeah.
776
00:32:33.630 --> 00:32:35.190
You know, I'm sure a lot of these boxers would
777
00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:37.309
quite like to start their own business and become super
778
00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:40.549
successful entrepreneurs, but that's not really going to happen because
779
00:32:40.630 --> 00:32:43.289
it's too much stuff going on. But if you're stood
780
00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:45.329
in a ring, there's only one bloke in front of you,
781
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.200
that is a much easier and tangible way to be
782
00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:51.140
a success, which is why I think a lot of
783
00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:53.119
comedy is quite good for that because it doesn't matter
784
00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:54.740
where you're from. If you get laughs, you get laughs.
785
00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.240
If you don't, you don't. Whereas other stuff's harder to
786
00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:57.400
get in.
787
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.539
And that one man band quality to it as well.
788
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.460
Yeah, because you can't just imagine like, Joe, I'm going
789
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.839
to start a bank. All right. Actually, it's easier to
790
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.480
fight that bloke and keep beating people. I think sport
791
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.759
is a weird thing and especially football as well. That
792
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:15.119
becomes quite tribal and stuff, but. But if you're not
793
00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:16.539
into it, you're not into it, I think. But then
794
00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:18.619
Tom Allen grew up in a very similar background and
795
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.809
area as me. His dad was a coach driver and all,
796
00:33:21.890 --> 00:33:24.869
you know, his brother sounds like me, dresses like me
797
00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:26.890
and walks and talks like me. But Tom's just his
798
00:33:26.990 --> 00:33:29.769
own entity. And it's amazing. I've got my mate up
799
00:33:29.829 --> 00:33:32.049
in Yorkshire as well. His son sounds a lot like
800
00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:35.059
your son. He wears a lot of flat caps and dresses.
801
00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:35.799
Oh, yeah.
802
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.819
And he wears like sort of old trousers and stuff
803
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.680
like that and old suit jackets. And he keeps drawing
804
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.960
pubs and creating little old sort of stout beers and
805
00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:47.440
He's obsessed with it and he's like been reading Tom
806
00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:50.700
Allen's book to him because again, he's like from a
807
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.150
like place in Yorkshire where everyone's like very like geezery
808
00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:55.930
and into sport and stuff like that. So I think
809
00:33:56.029 --> 00:33:58.250
you do get those sort of eccentrics from all walks
810
00:33:58.309 --> 00:33:58.569
of life.
811
00:33:58.910 --> 00:33:59.269
Yeah.
812
00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:02.170
It's really interesting, isn't it? Like I can remember when
813
00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:04.529
my son was born, you know, like a teeny tiny
814
00:34:04.589 --> 00:34:06.650
baby and like one morning and we're both sort of
815
00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:09.010
like looking at him on the changing table and whatever.
816
00:34:09.110 --> 00:34:12.420
And I remember my husband being like, who is he though? Yeah.
817
00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:17.690
Like who... who is he? And now he's like, I'm like,
818
00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:21.829
that's who he is. Who he is. I don't know
819
00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:23.110
if you guys have had this with your kids, but
820
00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:28.360
I already feel like, and I felt this way about
821
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.920
him for a while. Like it's just clear. It is
822
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.320
already clear to me who the 20 year old will be.
823
00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:36.170
Yes. Well, write it in an envelope, seal it.
824
00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:38.139
And see what happens.
825
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.159
I open it on his 18th birthday. What do you
826
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:41.719
think he's going to be?
827
00:34:41.739 --> 00:34:48.389
Here's what I predicted. You've disappointed me. But I'd be
828
00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:51.949
surprised if at 18 he was like, a lad. I mean, maybe.
829
00:34:52.110 --> 00:34:52.710
Who knows?
830
00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:55.030
So you and your husband are very sort of creative
831
00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:58.250
and eccentric people, really, aren't you? if you compare yourself
832
00:34:58.269 --> 00:35:00.090
to most people in the country. So there'll be a
833
00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:01.690
bit of that. That's what, you know, you guys made it.
834
00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:04.869
Yeah, I guess I really, like, if there is a
835
00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:06.889
wish I have for my son, and I don't know
836
00:35:06.909 --> 00:35:09.650
what your thoughts are on this yourselves for your children,
837
00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:12.590
but like, if I have a wish for my child,
838
00:35:12.650 --> 00:35:14.590
these are my rules for him, right? In terms of,
839
00:35:14.590 --> 00:35:16.250
because he'll be like, mom, am I allowed to do this?
840
00:35:16.429 --> 00:35:17.590
Can I do this? I'm going to go, this will
841
00:35:17.610 --> 00:35:18.889
be my hobby. This will be my job. This will
842
00:35:18.909 --> 00:35:20.889
be my hobby. This will be my job. And my
843
00:35:20.949 --> 00:35:24.300
thing is, rules are, you can't take your body too
844
00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:27.440
high up Like so no outer space exploration.
845
00:35:27.460 --> 00:35:28.739
Where are you drawing the line?
846
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.789
I would almost say not allowed to be a pilot.
847
00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:34.030
I would almost say even though like plane crashes are done,
848
00:35:34.409 --> 00:35:35.650
but I'm like nothing.
849
00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:36.489
Bungee jumper?
850
00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:39.190
No, you don't leave the earth.
851
00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:39.809
Scaffolder?
852
00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:41.889
No.
853
00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:42.880
Nothing high up.
854
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:47.539
Nothing high up. Nothing deep down. We're not going down.
855
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.300
And also, third rule, no agent. You're not allowed to
856
00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:55.019
have a job that requires you to have an agent.
857
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:56.280
That's the other thing.
858
00:35:56.929 --> 00:35:59.969
So no showbiz. I just feel like, and I find
859
00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:03.889
it very interesting with very successful people, because you have
860
00:36:03.929 --> 00:36:09.510
had one experience where of what pursuing a passion is about, right?
861
00:36:09.590 --> 00:36:13.460
So you can't shake out of your body the idea
862
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.800
that you can have a dream and you can chase
863
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.070
that dream and that can happen. And then your child
864
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.610
is growing up being like, no, no, I can chase
865
00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:24.929
a dream and it can happen. And to be like,
866
00:36:25.550 --> 00:36:28.489
maybe not the way that daddy did it. And I
867
00:36:28.550 --> 00:36:31.909
just feel like my wish for him is that he
868
00:36:31.989 --> 00:36:37.309
has A nine to five job, like a regular fucking job.
869
00:36:37.929 --> 00:36:39.510
You know, and my husband will be like, I think
870
00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:42.269
I could get us like he knows Davina. We know
871
00:36:42.309 --> 00:36:44.010
Davina McCall's hairdresser.
872
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:46.630
Sure.
873
00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:49.889
And so my husband was like, we could get tickets
874
00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:53.510
to go see Masked Singer. And I was like, over
875
00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:55.599
my dead fucking body is that child allowed in a
876
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.599
studio like that. He's going to get ideas in his head.
877
00:36:57.860 --> 00:36:59.619
And the next thing I know. He's going to be thinking,
878
00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:02.809
and then we're going to be supporting him until he's 40.
879
00:37:02.809 --> 00:37:04.420
I just, it's not even about, it's just like.
880
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.760
Yeah, but does he like the Masked Singer?
881
00:37:07.170 --> 00:37:07.480
Loves it.
882
00:37:07.510 --> 00:37:08.510
Just take him.
883
00:37:08.530 --> 00:37:10.130
Take him to the Masked Singer.
884
00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:13.530
You guys, I just don't want him to feel that
885
00:37:13.570 --> 00:37:17.679
these jobs are viable. I just don't want him.
886
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.099
Take him to when Alex Brooker's being revealed and you'll go, look,
887
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.659
you can't do this unless you've only got one leg.
888
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.519
And by the way, guess who he's reading for? Alex Brooker.
889
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.320
So can you imagine?
890
00:37:28.340 --> 00:37:29.860
I love the way we're just referring to his Alex
891
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.800
Brooker now, not Bigfoot as well. It's so obvious.
892
00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:35.099
What a show, what a format.
893
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.960
Oh, it's so good. Why do you think that everyone's
894
00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:38.800
so sure it's Alex Brooker?
895
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.679
You tell me, Josh. I'm not answering that question. You
896
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:42.059
tell me.
897
00:37:42.099 --> 00:37:42.929
But he's denied it.
898
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:49.320
But he's under contract to deny it. He legally cannot
899
00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:53.300
confirm it. What I love is like when it just
900
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.679
everyone knows it somewhat and we all have to sort
901
00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:58.340
of like do this little show. What a fantastic piece
902
00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.519
of TV.
903
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.179
Do you know Joel? Joel could sort you out for tickets.
904
00:38:01.699 --> 00:38:04.239
She's already got an in with McCall's hairdresser. She's fine
905
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.909
for tickets. You've not got the will to.
906
00:38:05.909 --> 00:38:07.909
Can I just say, if they do sort tickets, can
907
00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:11.710
I just say, as an aside, if they do sort tickets,
908
00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:17.429
you are exactly the person I end up getting caught
909
00:38:17.469 --> 00:38:19.949
with in the green room where I'm like, I go
910
00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:22.550
for a drink after the last leg and I go, oh,
911
00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:26.409
so how come you're here? And they go, I know
912
00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:29.289
Adam's hairdresser. And I think, I don't think you should
913
00:38:29.309 --> 00:38:32.519
be here, mate. That's too big a jump for you
914
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.000
to be in the green room talking to me at
915
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:34.519
this moment.
916
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.239
You're so starry, Josh. I'm just trying to read from
917
00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.219
my book to one of the producers, actually, if you
918
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:39.710
give me a minute.
919
00:38:40.369 --> 00:38:44.869
Look, Rob, come on. I know Davina McCall's hairdresser. Before
920
00:38:44.909 --> 00:38:47.030
you know it, you're getting your son having a photo
921
00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:47.750
with Mo Gilligan.
922
00:38:47.869 --> 00:38:50.250
He wants to go home. They do make you leave, though,
923
00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:52.349
before the unveiling. That's the problem with the mask.
924
00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:52.849
Do they?
925
00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:54.989
Yeah, because everyone would know it was Alex Brooker then,
926
00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:57.480
wouldn't they? They'd all tell everyone. It would ruin the surprise.
927
00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:59.900
Yeah, I presume they'd all had to be NDA'd up.
928
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.219
No.
929
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:02.360
So that reveal is done in an empty room.
930
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:02.860
Yeah.
931
00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:05.639
So in Tiffany's song, I think, well, I'm alone now.
932
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.639
She's doing it empty.
933
00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:08.139
Just to Jonathan Ross.
934
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:11.480
Just to Jonathan Ross and Mo Gilligan, Davina McCormick, Rora.
935
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:16.280
Sometimes Peter Crouch. But Sarah, going back to that. So
936
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.949
he's really into it, would love to see it. You
937
00:39:18.989 --> 00:39:20.510
would really not want him to be in that sort
938
00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:22.190
of world, even though it feels like that's the kind
939
00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:23.889
of thing. He's going to end up doing something like
940
00:39:23.929 --> 00:39:25.789
that that's quite expressive and creative.
941
00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:28.579
I hope not, man. I really hope he doesn't do
942
00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:30.329
anything expressive and creative.
943
00:39:31.429 --> 00:39:33.710
He's doing it already. He's wearing our top hat twice
944
00:39:33.769 --> 00:39:34.130
a month.
945
00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:35.429
I know.
946
00:39:35.710 --> 00:39:37.619
So what is it, though? Drilling down, what is it
947
00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:39.739
that worries you about that? Is it that there's not
948
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:40.940
financial security?
949
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.300
Is it your own things that have happened to you?
950
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.500
I mean, I'm trying to think about how to talk
951
00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:47.119
about this. Well, I mean, you know, maybe it can
952
00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:48.739
feel depressing. Maybe it's fine to feel depressing.
953
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.989
It's fine. This is after your podcast is feeling depressing.
954
00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:54.710
So my grandmother's dying words to me.
955
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:56.800
Okay, here we go. Maybe not this depressing.
956
00:39:57.099 --> 00:39:59.130
She was 99 and I didn't like her. I was
957
00:39:59.210 --> 00:40:01.090
so happy when my grandmother died. Let me be clear
958
00:40:01.110 --> 00:40:03.530
about that. RIP to anyone's grandma who loved them. But
959
00:40:03.550 --> 00:40:05.929
when people's grandparents die in their 80s or 90s and
960
00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:07.949
they're upset, I'm like, pull it the fuck together.
961
00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:08.269
Come on.
962
00:40:08.889 --> 00:40:10.679
Their time has come. Like, just move on now.
963
00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:12.590
Anyway. You don't say that in the eulogy though, do you?
964
00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:15.309
We didn't have a eulogy. She was so old and
965
00:40:15.329 --> 00:40:17.170
she was so not beloved, Rob. It was like, there
966
00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:18.849
was no eulogy. It was just like, get her in
967
00:40:18.869 --> 00:40:20.329
the ground, call it a day.
968
00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:22.389
Yeah, you don't even have to bury them. They're so
969
00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:25.030
old and frail, they just float off. Yeah, exactly. So
970
00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:27.409
go on, Sarah, your nine words.
971
00:40:27.769 --> 00:40:30.909
Her nine words were like something like, you just kind
972
00:40:30.949 --> 00:40:36.440
of try different things. And I was like, that's true. Like,
973
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.639
in other words, her assessment of my life at the
974
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.710
age of 40. I'm now 44. Yeah. was like that
975
00:40:41.730 --> 00:40:43.730
I had sort of spent from 20 to 40.
976
00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:47.670
Trying to find something that works for you.
977
00:40:47.849 --> 00:40:55.690
Yeah. And that is brutal. And I'm not sure it's wrong.
978
00:40:56.369 --> 00:41:00.260
Like I started stand up at 35. Like I'd always wanted,
979
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.199
it was like the thing I'd wanted to do when
980
00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:06.010
I was 22. Yeah. And I tried it and I
981
00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:08.639
wasn't good and it would give me such horrible anxiety.
982
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:11.539
And then when I was 35, I'd moved here and
983
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:14.820
my husband was very encouraging and then like something really
984
00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:19.530
clicked at 35. But I just feel like, and I
985
00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:21.829
don't know if this is true for you guys or not,
986
00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:26.070
but comedians really, what do we do? We are drawn
987
00:41:26.110 --> 00:41:27.909
to each other, I think, right? So I know so
988
00:41:27.969 --> 00:41:31.320
many standups where all of their closest friends are also standups.
989
00:41:32.059 --> 00:41:34.699
And I've always felt like I've had a foot in
990
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.429
both worlds. So I have some close friends who are
991
00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:39.250
stand-ups and I'm with stand-ups all the time because that's
992
00:41:39.269 --> 00:41:41.389
who you see at your gigs. But my best friends
993
00:41:41.409 --> 00:41:46.250
have always been teachers. And I really know a lot
994
00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:49.809
of people who kind of wanted to maybe do something
995
00:41:49.849 --> 00:41:52.010
creative and they called it at a certain age. They
996
00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:54.429
were like, this is not going to happen. And they got,
997
00:41:54.530 --> 00:41:58.989
quote unquote, a real job. And then I know... people
998
00:41:59.070 --> 00:42:03.710
who have like succeeded fabulously in their creative profession. And
999
00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:07.590
I know people who are sort of like chugging along
1000
00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:12.429
without kind of having had a break yet and wondering
1001
00:42:12.570 --> 00:42:14.559
what it's going to look like. Like, am I going
1002
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:18.400
to be 50 and still like doing, I just think
1003
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.579
I've seen all the different ways of doing it. And
1004
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.840
I think it's a really, really hard thing to, to
1005
00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:32.590
want to do a creative job. And I think when
1006
00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:37.150
it comes from something that's just within you, that's one thing.
1007
00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:39.489
But when it comes from like, well, you saw your
1008
00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:41.969
parents do it, so maybe it's a viable option. That's
1009
00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:43.170
like a slightly different.
1010
00:42:43.389 --> 00:42:45.750
I think anything with freelance, whether it is creative or
1011
00:42:45.789 --> 00:42:48.190
even just if you're a plumber, the pressure's on. You
1012
00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:50.469
don't never know what's going to happen. There's no security, really,
1013
00:42:50.489 --> 00:42:52.320
of a job. But you feel like if you and
1014
00:42:52.340 --> 00:42:54.219
your husband are doing this, where you're jumping between different
1015
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.860
creative projects, your son will think, oh, that's a viable option.
1016
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.789
But you don't think it's an enjoyable option.
1017
00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:03.840
But there's another side of it which is you can
1018
00:43:03.949 --> 00:43:08.760
see the brutal experience of it because you've lived it
1019
00:43:08.980 --> 00:43:14.320
and obviously everything feels easier from the outside and i
1020
00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:17.570
used to when i was really stressed about my job
1021
00:43:17.610 --> 00:43:21.130
and stuff i'd always think maybe i'll just fuck off
1022
00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:23.550
and i'll open a shop in a village or something
1023
00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:26.739
it would always be I'll open a shop. That's what
1024
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.360
I'd always think. And then I speak to people I
1025
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.900
know that own shops and they're fucking stressed, man. They're
1026
00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:37.980
always going on about the rent or how Christmas wasn't
1027
00:43:38.019 --> 00:43:40.860
as good as last time or another shop's moved to
1028
00:43:40.900 --> 00:43:44.079
the area that sells the same stuff. Or I know
1029
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.130
people that work in big companies and they're worried about.
1030
00:43:48.150 --> 00:43:49.050
About redundancies.
1031
00:43:49.110 --> 00:43:54.409
Redundancies. And so, like, we can see all this fucking...
1032
00:43:54.730 --> 00:43:57.989
difficulty in our job the other one i'd always think
1033
00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:00.250
about and this is really prevalent to you because of
1034
00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:04.300
what your husband does is i'd often think maybe i'll
1035
00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:09.880
just get a job doing drive time on magic fm
1036
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.000
and i'd really enjoy that and then you speak to
1037
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.780
people that work at commercial radio stations. And they're like,
1038
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.920
a new controller's come in. What if I lose my job?
1039
00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:21.440
Oh my God, I'm only on a year to year contract.
1040
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.320
And you know what I will say about that as well? Like,
1041
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.260
cause that is what he did for a long time
1042
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.420
before a pivot. You know, like as standups, we can
1043
00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:35.559
always find a place to peddle our wares.
1044
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:37.739
Totally. You're not reliant on other people.
1045
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:40.739
And here's this grim sort of positive that I'm going
1046
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.110
to take from this. Because I think what I'm saying
1047
00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:44.880
is like, I don't know. I just, I think I'm
1048
00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:49.760
really childlike in as much as I just want to
1049
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.500
believe that your job can bring you joy.
1050
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.260
Yeah.
1051
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.530
I really want to think that that's true.
1052
00:44:57.550 --> 00:44:59.670
You've got to give up on that, Sarah. You've got
1053
00:44:59.690 --> 00:45:00.389
to give up on that.
1054
00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:02.010
I do, though, don't I?
1055
00:45:02.869 --> 00:45:04.929
There's not a magic job out there that everyone loves
1056
00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:06.949
every second. Look at a footballer. Everyone wants to be
1057
00:45:06.969 --> 00:45:09.650
a footballer. Marcus Rashford's on the piss in Belfast. He's
1058
00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:11.309
supposed to be training. Do you know what I mean?
1059
00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:14.889
You're a footballer and... A new manager comes in and
1060
00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:18.380
suddenly you're inexplicably dropped from the first team.
1061
00:45:18.409 --> 00:45:19.179
Or you get an injury.
1062
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:23.219
Yeah, you get an injury. And suddenly you're Brian Clough,
1063
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:26.519
who was the best striker in Britain. And he fucked
1064
00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:29.099
his knee up at 28 and it was all over. Admittedly,
1065
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.219
he won a lot of European Cups as an alcoholic. But,
1066
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:33.360
you know, there's wins and losses. But yeah.
1067
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:38.880
I remember very clearly right before the pandemic hit. So
1068
00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.840
my son at that point was like two or three,
1069
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:45.909
something like that. And I'm never around for bedtimes because
1070
00:45:45.929 --> 00:45:49.570
I would always be out. And your friend, Ramesh Ranganathan,
1071
00:45:50.110 --> 00:45:51.380
it was when he was doing that column in the
1072
00:45:51.409 --> 00:45:53.059
back of The Guardian. He'd written something.
1073
00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:55.119
One of his jobs. Yeah.
1074
00:45:55.579 --> 00:46:00.219
He needs another 500 words to bang out. Another quid
1075
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:00.760
at the end of it.
1076
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.300
I didn't want to say it, but as the close friend,
1077
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:04.820
you can say it. But you can make fun. But
1078
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:08.050
he wrote this thing that really fucking wedged in there.
1079
00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:11.510
It's something about this idea that, like, By the time
1080
00:46:11.550 --> 00:46:14.630
your child reaches the age of 10, you will have
1081
00:46:14.769 --> 00:46:18.030
spent 90% of the time that you will spend with
1082
00:46:18.070 --> 00:46:19.210
them across their lifetime.
1083
00:46:19.409 --> 00:46:20.489
Unless you're doing weakest link.
1084
00:46:20.949 --> 00:46:26.889
Was he speaking as Ramesh or as a normal parent? No,
1085
00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:27.190
he's true.
1086
00:46:27.250 --> 00:46:27.769
I've seen that.
1087
00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:31.050
It almost seems like someone gave me these facts just
1088
00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:33.409
to give you guys the opportunity to roast your friend.
1089
00:46:36.070 --> 00:46:38.190
So when they're 10, you've spent 90% of the time
1090
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.360
That's fucking weird and scary.
1091
00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:44.219
Exactly. I mean, I've got a lot of these very
1092
00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:46.019
depressing facts I can pull out of my back pocket.
1093
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:46.719
That's amazing.
1094
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:49.119
And again, I'm not sure that's exactly what it was,
1095
00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:51.949
but it was in that family of whatever. And I
1096
00:46:51.989 --> 00:46:53.449
was doing tour support. I was in the backseat. I
1097
00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:56.090
was like, I'm going to cry. I'm going to like,
1098
00:46:56.130 --> 00:46:57.989
I was like, I'm going to start crying. That's so sad.
1099
00:46:58.010 --> 00:46:59.429
It was your new way to work as well.
1100
00:46:59.530 --> 00:47:01.469
I think it was doing tour support for Nish or something.
1101
00:47:01.489 --> 00:47:03.989
And they're talking about whatever like depressing political thing he's
1102
00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:06.630
talking about. And I'm like trying to suppress tears in
1103
00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:12.210
the backseat having read this fact. Then the pandemic hit
1104
00:47:12.789 --> 00:47:17.090
and I was like around for every fucking bedtime. And
1105
00:47:17.110 --> 00:47:19.849
I wanted to put a bullet through my brain. And
1106
00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:23.010
I thought like, I'm not being particularly articulate, but I
1107
00:47:23.030 --> 00:47:24.409
guess what I'm trying to say is I would look
1108
00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:27.349
at someone whose career as a standup is at a
1109
00:47:27.489 --> 00:47:30.860
certain level and think like, God, that's, I swear to God,
1110
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.840
I swear to God, I swear to God, all I
1111
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:34.900
would need to be happy. I really believe this. All
1112
00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:36.949
I need to be happy is is to reach this
1113
00:47:37.130 --> 00:47:39.869
level as a comic where I could make this amount
1114
00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:41.590
of money and tour to this size of an audience,
1115
00:47:41.630 --> 00:47:43.150
and then I will really be happy. And then I
1116
00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:46.110
will really be happy. And it's like, nah, because there
1117
00:47:46.150 --> 00:47:48.929
is just always some kind of trade. Like you're working
1118
00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:50.429
at this level, but then you're going to be missing
1119
00:47:50.449 --> 00:47:52.280
this thing. Well, you're working at this level, but then
1120
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.179
you have financial instability. And we're all just miserable in
1121
00:47:56.739 --> 00:48:00.360
all of our jobs. And that's what I would want
1122
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.679
to say to anyone is like, everyone is unhappy with
1123
00:48:03.699 --> 00:48:07.119
what they've been given. Everyone. And there is freedom in that.
1124
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.239
So for your son, he might as well be unhappy
1125
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.059
being creative than unhappy doing finance.
1126
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.789
I'm not joking. I feel that this conversation has made
1127
00:48:16.829 --> 00:48:20.230
me understand that he will be unsatisfied no matter what
1128
00:48:20.289 --> 00:48:20.789
he does.
1129
00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:21.269
Exactly.
1130
00:48:21.329 --> 00:48:23.030
And I need to lean into that. I just need
1131
00:48:23.050 --> 00:48:23.860
to lean into it.
1132
00:48:23.889 --> 00:48:26.860
But as a parent, you want them to have zero problems,
1133
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.780
be happy, have friends, earn money, express themselves, be creative.
1134
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:34.090
It ain't going to happen. And also, more importantly, it's
1135
00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:36.860
not your responsibility. They're going to be adults and it's
1136
00:48:36.909 --> 00:48:39.500
on them. There's nothing you can do to do that.
1137
00:48:39.780 --> 00:48:42.059
And as they grow up and they're having arguments at school,
1138
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.739
this is what the pain is of being a parent.
1139
00:48:44.019 --> 00:48:45.719
You can't go in and have that argument with a
1140
00:48:45.739 --> 00:48:47.599
school kid. You've just got to help them through it
1141
00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:49.840
and then trust that they go and do it because
1142
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.769
it's their life that they're leading. And that's the hardest bit.
1143
00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:58.130
So it's like, life is suffering, but it's accepting that
1144
00:48:58.269 --> 00:48:59.690
and realising you're not going to be happy all the time.
1145
00:48:59.730 --> 00:49:02.599
But also, it's not your responsibility. At that point.
1146
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.820
And Rob, I've been leading into happiness podcasts in 2024.
1147
00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:10.079
I'm like listening to some happiness podcasts. And we have
1148
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.809
an obsession, you guys, with finding meaning in suffering. And
1149
00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:19.849
sometimes you have to accept that it is just the suffering.
1150
00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:22.519
that is how i am heading into 2024 okay that
1151
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:29.829
it is meaningless suffering and we make peace with it
1152
00:49:30.309 --> 00:49:33.559
and no one else is that happy No.
1153
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.659
But there'll be moments of happiness, moments of being quite content,
1154
00:49:36.699 --> 00:49:38.519
moments of being grief stricken.
1155
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.480
Do you know, I was thinking this about my neck.
1156
00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:45.530
Yeah.
1157
00:49:45.550 --> 00:49:47.670
Let's talk about your neck for a minute. Sarah was
1158
00:49:47.690 --> 00:49:49.210
just about to make a big point, I thought, about
1159
00:49:49.269 --> 00:49:49.789
all the podcasts.
1160
00:49:49.809 --> 00:49:51.130
No, no, I want to hear about this neck.
1161
00:49:51.170 --> 00:49:53.570
Sarah, come back around to this after his neck. Oh, sorry.
1162
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:54.559
Come on.
1163
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.739
Listen, you just turned 40 or you're 40 now, right, Josh? Yeah, yeah.
1164
00:49:58.059 --> 00:50:00.119
I lean in and Rob, this shit is coming for you.
1165
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:01.840
So tell the next story because.
1166
00:50:01.699 --> 00:50:03.659
This is important. I've had a bad neck for six
1167
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.400
months and it's got incrementally better.
1168
00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:06.340
You've had it for four years.
1169
00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:07.900
Yeah, no, yeah, but it's been on and off, but
1170
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.420
I haven't been able to shift it for six months,
1171
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.900
but it's got incrementally better. Look at that, right? I
1172
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.780
couldn't do that, but it's still one of the bits
1173
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.159
he's lost.
1174
00:50:16.179 --> 00:50:17.659
He just looked up and down and.
1175
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.760
To the side. He's showing us his neck mobility.
1176
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:21.250
Wow.
1177
00:50:21.289 --> 00:50:21.849
Show us again.
1178
00:50:21.889 --> 00:50:22.309
What was that?
1179
00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:23.349
Fucking hell.
1180
00:50:23.369 --> 00:50:25.449
Show us your big thing. Show us your big... Look
1181
00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:29.030
at that big boy. Look at that big boy.
1182
00:50:29.090 --> 00:50:31.030
You're going to be playing wind the bobbin up all day.
1183
00:50:31.929 --> 00:50:34.460
Sealing to the floor, window to the door.
1184
00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:36.300
But that's a problem, right?
1185
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.500
Okay, so when you've got to look judgmental at someone.
1186
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:42.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, it's almost better. And I
1187
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.119
found myself walking on the street thinking, I've dealt with
1188
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.869
my anxiety. I've got on top of that. I've got
1189
00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:51.610
on top of my drinking. I've got on top of this.
1190
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.079
as soon as I've got my neck done, then I
1191
00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:58.360
can be happy. And I thought that is insanity right there.
1192
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.349
And I just caught myself and I was like, you
1193
00:51:01.409 --> 00:51:05.210
can't be waiting for this moment when everything falls into
1194
00:51:05.250 --> 00:51:08.090
place because there's always going to be something that's an issue.
1195
00:51:08.130 --> 00:51:10.329
And I was just looking at people going, all these
1196
00:51:10.369 --> 00:51:13.730
people walking around me here in Victoria Park, which is
1197
00:51:13.750 --> 00:51:15.690
a nice place. A lot of them should be happy.
1198
00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:19.090
They're all going to have a relative that's ill or
1199
00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:23.679
a worry about financial security. or a lump on their
1200
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:28.059
testicle they're worried about, or whatever. Weird option. Number three,
1201
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:28.460
I panic.
1202
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.360
Just could have said a lump.
1203
00:51:29.539 --> 00:51:31.340
I could have just said a lump. I could have
1204
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:31.619
just said.
1205
00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:35.099
The comic mind wants specificity and wants to paint a
1206
00:51:35.099 --> 00:51:36.000
picture for his audience.
1207
00:51:36.019 --> 00:51:36.659
That's genuinely true.
1208
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.320
That's why I said testicle. Listen, this is the point
1209
00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:41.199
that we are in. I mean, this is a very
1210
00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:42.699
personal question for both of you.
1211
00:51:42.860 --> 00:51:44.139
I haven't got a lump on my testicle.
1212
00:51:44.179 --> 00:51:46.179
No lumps. And Rob, lump on the testicle?
1213
00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:48.159
Not checked for a couple of weeks. Could check now,
1214
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:49.969
but should I just say, assume it's fine?
1215
00:51:49.989 --> 00:51:50.659
Get back in there.
1216
00:51:50.739 --> 00:51:51.239
Yeah, yeah.
1217
00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:58.409
Are you gentlemen and your wives, are you done having kids?
1218
00:51:58.469 --> 00:51:59.050
Yes. Yeah.
1219
00:51:59.690 --> 00:52:02.090
I think this thing happens to people when it's like
1220
00:52:02.150 --> 00:52:06.949
they know they're done. And it's like, here's the truth, guys.
1221
00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:10.420
The good shit now is over. Because there are all
1222
00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:12.539
these questions that we get to have in our 20s
1223
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.280
and maybe your 30s. Like, will I have a kid?
1224
00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:17.420
Will I have another kid? Who's my partner going to be?
1225
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.869
What professional high am I going to get? We know
1226
00:52:20.949 --> 00:52:25.349
the answers to the questions now. And now the shit
1227
00:52:25.389 --> 00:52:28.610
that you wonder about is like, when will my parents die?
1228
00:52:28.949 --> 00:52:31.469
Like that's I'm not kidding. Like that is what steps
1229
00:52:31.730 --> 00:52:36.090
in as the replacement question. And now as middle aged people,
1230
00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:38.369
I know you're not quite there yet, Rob. But it's
1231
00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:42.059
like now your attempt at happiness isn't like imagining life.
1232
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:44.110
the next baby or whatever.
1233
00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:44.389
Fuck.
1234
00:52:44.670 --> 00:52:48.269
It's like, you look for a nice tree. You're like,
1235
00:52:48.409 --> 00:52:50.829
I'm walking. You know what? That's a nice tree.
1236
00:52:50.849 --> 00:52:52.289
I'm going to be.
1237
00:52:52.289 --> 00:52:56.190
Present in observing the beauty in the tree. And that's
1238
00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:01.860
all we have from now till death. Don't you think
1239
00:53:01.900 --> 00:53:03.960
it now it has to be about the small moments.
1240
00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:06.599
And sometimes when people keep having kids and keep having
1241
00:53:06.619 --> 00:53:09.119
kids and keep having kids, I'm like, Oh, you can't
1242
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.579
now just look at a tree. Like it's time for you.
1243
00:53:12.170 --> 00:53:14.550
You had three. You're done. Look at a nice tree.
1244
00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:17.679
But they can't. They need to keep pushing the narrative forward.
1245
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:20.860
So they're like, another kid, another kid. It's like, settle in. Yeah.
1246
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:22.280
Settle in and settle down. Oh, dear.
1247
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.880
Oh, my God. This has been one of my favorite.
1248
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:25.340
It's been great.
1249
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.590
It's been our deepest. We haven't talked about your podcast.
1250
00:53:27.929 --> 00:53:28.610
They like to watch.
1251
00:53:28.630 --> 00:53:29.710
We've got to plug the pod, you guys.
1252
00:53:29.789 --> 00:53:30.510
I need some help.
1253
00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:33.690
We need to plug. Can we plug this pod hard?
1254
00:53:33.710 --> 00:53:35.070
Plug the pod. Plug hard.
1255
00:53:35.130 --> 00:53:38.489
So basically, my husband and I, we're both in similar fields.
1256
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.250
I'm just going to say on this, because- You've been
1257
00:53:41.349 --> 00:53:44.219
so good on this. The plug, and we were talking
1258
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.260
about this on the last podcast, going on something and
1259
00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:48.610
being good is kind of the plug in itself. Do
1260
00:53:48.650 --> 00:53:49.210
you know what I mean?
1261
00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:52.219
Let me tell you something, the fact that you understand that, genuinely,
1262
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.579
I think a lot of people don't understand that thing.
1263
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.500
And that concept would have made you very good on
1264
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.960
Drive Time Radio. We talk about this all the time.
1265
00:53:57.980 --> 00:54:00.300
Like when you are someone who has guests on, it's
1266
00:54:00.380 --> 00:54:04.619
not about going, Rob Beckett's new project. Let's talk about
1267
00:54:04.659 --> 00:54:05.260
the project.
1268
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.199
Smart TV on Skymax.
1269
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:06.460
Yeah.
1270
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.960
Let them shine. Have the PR shut up. Who's going,
1271
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.440
you haven't mentioned that. Shut up. We'll do it in
1272
00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:18.789
the intro. Let the star shine. But because you asked,
1273
00:54:19.449 --> 00:54:22.429
My husband and I had always wanted to do something together. Yeah.
1274
00:54:23.130 --> 00:54:28.760
But he is very obsessed with high quality formats. So
1275
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.059
anytime I'd be like, well, we could do a podcast.
1276
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.539
And he'd be like, no, what is it about? What
1277
00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:33.699
is it about? What are we talking about? You can't
1278
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.159
just do, said with respect for everyone's choices, you can't
1279
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:40.010
just do a podcast about a marriage because there's not
1280
00:54:40.309 --> 00:54:44.750
going to be enough like authentically interesting self-generating material there.
1281
00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:46.969
so we were always trying to figure out what would
1282
00:54:46.989 --> 00:54:48.969
it be? What would we talk about? What's the shape?
1283
00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:50.789
And I was going to do a tour and in
1284
00:54:50.809 --> 00:54:55.099
the run up to that tour, without exaggeration, we got
1285
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.219
as obsessed with how we were going to coordinate watching
1286
00:54:59.300 --> 00:55:01.719
Succession together, which we were very into at the time,
1287
00:55:02.179 --> 00:55:05.829
as to managing like the childcare arrangements. And I was like, oh,
1288
00:55:05.989 --> 00:55:08.630
what if it's, Because that's a thing with couples. I
1289
00:55:08.650 --> 00:55:09.789
don't know if you do this with your wives, but
1290
00:55:09.849 --> 00:55:13.690
we are a couple who watches together. It's a way
1291
00:55:13.750 --> 00:55:17.389
of connecting. And so we wound up doing this sort
1292
00:55:17.409 --> 00:55:21.329
of podcast about succession that went well enough. And that
1293
00:55:21.369 --> 00:55:27.440
has now transformed into it's about the hunt for excellent television.
1294
00:55:27.460 --> 00:55:33.090
So it's for you if. You love television, but you're
1295
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.210
like so over-faced and you're like, I am a good,
1296
00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:41.530
smart person with perfect taste. What is worth my time?
1297
00:55:41.969 --> 00:55:43.630
And we do all the work for you.
1298
00:55:43.650 --> 00:55:47.769
Hold the front page. Rubber Rubbish vs. Smart TV. The
1299
00:55:47.849 --> 00:55:49.860
Last Leg. Do an episode of The Last Leg.
1300
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.119
These are the only programs that we ever talk about.
1301
00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:54.280
Do you talk about The Masked Singer?
1302
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:55.659
You know what?
1303
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.360
We would maybe talk about The Masked Singer in.
1304
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.260
Like we talked about the traitors.
1305
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:02.239
Yeah.
1306
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.449
And we would talk about it. Like, I think if
1307
00:56:04.489 --> 00:56:07.110
we're talking about, we try to do as much listener
1308
00:56:07.190 --> 00:56:09.230
interaction as we can. You know, we're trying to get
1309
00:56:09.250 --> 00:56:12.849
like a conversation going. What are people watching? I've got
1310
00:56:12.869 --> 00:56:14.650
a 10 year old. What should I be watching with
1311
00:56:14.690 --> 00:56:16.289
my 10 year old? This kind of stuff. Yeah.
1312
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:18.440
Can I give you a suggestion of something to watch?
1313
00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:20.320
With your 10 year old, you can watch the traitors.
1314
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:20.960
Go on, Rob.
1315
00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:24.619
Have you heard of Kin? It's an Irish drama about gangsters.
1316
00:56:25.219 --> 00:56:27.880
There was a big hit in Ireland and then the BBC,
1317
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.619
it's on iPlayer now. Series one's already out. Series two
1318
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.460
starting next week. Some really good actors in it. Littlefinger
1319
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.380
from Game of Thrones is in it. I forget what
1320
00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:35.960
his name is.
1321
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.449
I know who you mean. That guy. Yes.
1322
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.420
That guy. But he's brilliant. And that's quite good. But
1323
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.059
he's quite fast-paced, like a gangster drama. Eight episodes in
1324
00:56:43.099 --> 00:56:44.199
a series. See, this is what we do.
1325
00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:46.480
We'd have Rob Beckett on. We'd talk. We'd get an
1326
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.420
insider take on something to do with television. Then Rob
1327
00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:51.980
would recommend Kin. And then the next week, we'd watch
1328
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.880
Kin and be like, I want Rob Beckett to like me.
1329
00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:55.380
And it's called They Like to Watch.
1330
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:57.280
It's called They Like to Watch. So think about it
1331
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:02.150
like this. Television is the Trojan horse. And inside the
1332
00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:09.219
horse is a marriage. Do you understand? Marital dynamics tucked into,
1333
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.420
please tell me what is worth my time watching on television.
1334
00:57:12.460 --> 00:57:14.840
Yes, because time is at a premium if you don't
1335
00:57:14.860 --> 00:57:16.099
want to dodge a recommendation.
1336
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:17.340
Oh, my God.
1337
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.090
You've cleared the diary to start a series.
1338
00:57:19.349 --> 00:57:21.670
You've been described as a sparky double act by the
1339
00:57:21.710 --> 00:57:22.570
Financial Times.
1340
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.250
We are a sparky double act. He brings the format
1341
00:57:26.269 --> 00:57:29.070
and I bring my good personality. You know how like
1342
00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:29.949
if you're going on a holiday.
1343
00:57:29.969 --> 00:57:32.440
You're one of the five hottest new podcasting duos.
1344
00:57:32.829 --> 00:57:35.570
Dude, we got silver at the British Podcast Awards. Oh, congratulations.
1345
00:57:35.590 --> 00:57:37.190
You thought we should have got gold? Carry on, carry on,
1346
00:57:37.210 --> 00:57:39.650
carry on. I just found myself. I, like, stepped out
1347
00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:43.030
of myself and heard myself explaining to you why we
1348
00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:46.460
would have gotten gold. And then I thought, we need
1349
00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:47.019
to reign.
1350
00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:48.820
Oh, no, tell us, because we'd like to get gold
1351
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.300
as well. What have you got to do to get gold?
1352
00:57:50.539 --> 00:57:52.780
You guys, we can't get gold because none of us
1353
00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:54.519
here are doing anything important.
1354
00:57:55.139 --> 00:57:57.119
Right, okay, so it's got to be. Actually, I think
1355
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:57.460
we are.
1356
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.980
So you're going to lose to the important podcast.
1357
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.300
Oh, right, if it's about... a big issue.
1358
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.699
Big issue. We're funny. Yeah.
1359
00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:07.079
It's not enough being funny. Not for a claim.
1360
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:10.699
Enough for me, you guys. I'm speaking to you both now,
1361
00:58:10.940 --> 00:58:13.409
not your listeners. Okay. I'm speaking to you and whoever
1362
00:58:13.429 --> 00:58:16.250
listeners want to listen in. You're going on a holiday.
1363
00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:19.329
You're going to go somewhere lovely. You're successful people. You're
1364
00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:22.730
going somewhere great. And you're thinking we're going to hire
1365
00:58:22.769 --> 00:58:24.989
a babysitter this one night, but we want to go
1366
00:58:25.030 --> 00:58:29.360
to the perfect restaurant and in this little European Amalfi
1367
00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:32.860
Coast whatever. But where is exactly the– sure, Yelp is
1368
00:58:32.900 --> 00:58:35.710
going to tell me this. Lonely Planet is going to–
1369
00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:38.110
but where would actually be good? Then you want the
1370
00:58:38.150 --> 00:58:41.130
travel website that would tell you where you want to
1371
00:58:41.150 --> 00:58:43.309
go on the Amalfi Coast for dinner, the one night
1372
00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:45.050
that you're going to have dinner alone with your wife, right?
1373
00:58:45.110 --> 00:58:45.369
Yes.
1374
00:58:45.989 --> 00:58:49.469
We are trying to be that website, but as a
1375
00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:51.570
podcast for television. Right.
1376
00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:52.510
There we go.
1377
00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:54.039
Tony Roma's, that's where I'd go.
1378
00:58:55.949 --> 00:58:58.519
That's why I was speaking to Josh.
1379
00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:00.280
Soon as you said Amalfi Coast, I was like, it's
1380
00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:01.519
got Pooley written all over it.
1381
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:02.199
It's the other side.
1382
00:59:02.219 --> 00:59:05.239
I just get some tenders in Orlando. The last question.
1383
00:59:05.260 --> 00:59:06.670
We always ask this question.
1384
00:59:07.010 --> 00:59:09.150
Oh, it's good because you're a sparky double act. So
1385
00:59:09.170 --> 00:59:09.690
this is a good.
1386
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.659
sparky double act yeah and your husband jeff lloyd uh
1387
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.260
dj jeff lloyd now podcaster what is the one thing
1388
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.980
he does parenting wise we go oh my god he's
1389
00:59:17.019 --> 00:59:19.599
amazing i'm so lucky to have a child with him.
1390
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:20.820
And then what's the one thing he does? We go,
1391
00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:22.900
that is really annoying. And I wish you didn't do that.
1392
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:23.360
Stop it.
1393
00:59:24.380 --> 00:59:28.079
No. What does he do? I hate saying this because
1394
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.739
it's so cheesy, but like he loves being with our
1395
00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:37.150
son so much. Like nothing else in his life brings
1396
00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:39.909
him the amount of joy. And I actually think that's
1397
00:59:39.929 --> 00:59:42.429
kind of rare for a parent. Like my friends were
1398
00:59:42.469 --> 00:59:45.329
arranging like a girl's dinner and everyone's like, make the
1399
00:59:45.349 --> 00:59:47.590
dinner early so I can get out of bedtime. And
1400
00:59:47.630 --> 00:59:49.989
my husband is that person who's like, Get out of bedtime?
1401
00:59:50.010 --> 00:59:54.269
It's my favorite part of the day. Now, some of
1402
00:59:54.289 --> 00:59:55.889
this is because of his underlying depression.
1403
00:59:55.909 --> 00:59:56.750
But also, it's.
1404
00:59:56.650 --> 01:00:02.670
Just like a lovely gift he gives our son. And
1405
01:00:02.710 --> 01:00:09.139
then the thing that he does that we both are really, really, really, really,
1406
01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:13.719
really different about money. Like, I hate being generous. It
1407
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.090
makes me feel sick. Spending money and being generous. I'm
1408
01:00:17.110 --> 01:00:20.809
like the tightest bitch you've ever met. Yeah.
1409
01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:22.030
You should hang out with Josh.
1410
01:00:22.989 --> 01:00:24.170
Oh, is Josh like that as well?
1411
01:00:24.349 --> 01:00:25.269
No, not at all.
1412
01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:28.219
You both seem like you'd be generous people, but not me.
1413
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:28.500
I'm weak.
1414
01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:30.960
I'm weak. I've had my husband, he's had to convince me.
1415
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:33.239
Like I have said before, we were going to visit
1416
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.579
some friends and I was like, they had had a
1417
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.260
huge professional success and they were engaged to be married.
1418
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:39.400
I was like, we need to go over with a
1419
01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:41.110
bottle of champagne. Right. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1420
01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:42.039
So we're walking.
1421
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.280
We pass a liquor store. We go in. I didn't
1422
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.239
know how much champagne cost. I had no idea because
1423
01:00:46.260 --> 01:00:48.179
I'm always like buying Prosecco. I come out. I said
1424
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.559
to my husband, I can't do it. I can't physically
1425
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.119
spend 60 pounds on a bottle of wine. I will
1426
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.119
throw up. So you go do it to be nice
1427
01:00:55.179 --> 01:00:56.710
because I know what I should do, but I can't
1428
01:00:56.769 --> 01:01:00.369
do it. So the difficulty is he, I would say,
1429
01:01:00.389 --> 01:01:04.570
and if he was on, he'd be like, But I
1430
01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:08.019
would say he nudges up. His love language is let
1431
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.659
me give you things, let me give you things. And
1432
01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:13.500
that is also his love language with his child. And
1433
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.199
I don't love that.
1434
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.719
What's your love language then to your husband and child
1435
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.510
if it's not gifts? What would you say?
1436
01:01:19.530 --> 01:01:20.829
What if I don't have one?
1437
01:01:20.849 --> 01:01:21.849
What's my love language?
1438
01:01:21.909 --> 01:01:22.389
Oh, shit.
1439
01:01:22.469 --> 01:01:31.210
Rob. Rob. What if my big takeaways from this podcast
1440
01:01:31.250 --> 01:01:32.869
are that I am going to let my son have
1441
01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:35.539
a creative job and I don't have a love language?
1442
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.679
Is it affection, cuddling and kissing, that kind of stuff?
1443
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.409
Yeah, I don't know. What's my... I'm here to get
1444
01:01:42.449 --> 01:01:45.610
the job done. Admin. I think admin might be my
1445
01:01:45.670 --> 01:01:46.030
love language.
1446
01:01:46.130 --> 01:01:47.610
Organizing is your love language.
1447
01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:51.010
Oh, this is terrible. But yeah, I think organization is
1448
01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:51.409
my love language.
1449
01:01:51.429 --> 01:01:52.949
Yeah, but that's important though. As much as it's not
1450
01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:56.039
like being honest and everything runs smoothly and it's an
1451
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.320
enjoyable experience to do stuff. That is a way of
1452
01:01:58.340 --> 01:01:59.880
showing love, isn't it? To get everything in order for
1453
01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:01.480
people to enjoy themselves.
1454
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.900
Love it. Actually, my son said to me the other day,
1455
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.349
he's like, mom, can we talk about the schedule? And
1456
01:02:07.369 --> 01:02:11.889
I was like, that's my boy. I love just talking
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01:02:11.949 --> 01:02:16.719
schedules and being like, and then. On Wednesday. That's so
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fun for me.
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Sarah, thanks so much. Good luck with the podcast.
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It's been a joy.
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Are you touring or doing any more stand-up? Or is
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it just podcasting you're focusing on at the moment?
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01:02:24.590 --> 01:02:26.050
I'm not sure when this will come out, but I
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01:02:26.070 --> 01:02:29.349
will be up in Edinburgh this summer at 4.45 every day.
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01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:32.050
And I've got a podcast that drops every Tuesday. And
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those are her big projects and products.
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01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:39.420
And where would they follow you on social media?
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This is the worst handle of all time, and let's
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just skate on past that.
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What is it, Adolf Hitler?
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Yeah, it's Adolf Hitler, 2470. It's Sarah, spelled Sarah, Barron,
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one million, everywhere. Pardon? At Sarah Barron, one million.
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Oh, not everywhere as well. No, no, no.
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I'm just saying that's right. You see how I always
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01:03:03.010 --> 01:03:05.429
fuck up my handle? This is the only reason my
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followers are so low.
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So Sarah Barron.
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S-A-R-A Barron. No H.
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No H on the Sarah. One million at the end.
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How many R's in Barron?
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Two R's.
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And a million, is that written as one million or
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is it digits of one, zero, zero, zero, zero?
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It's digits. I'm such a nice lady. If anyone would
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put in the effort, I'm such a nice lady.
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Sarah Barron, no H, two R's, and the number one
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and six zeros.
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01:03:35.650 --> 01:03:37.230
You're a PR marketing machine.
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It's so....
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Oh, please come find me, everyone. I need help.
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01:03:44.019 --> 01:03:46.599
Did you start on Sarah Barron one and that was taken?
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01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:48.960
Then you did two. Then you did three.
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01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.460
I don't even know. And my email address, if I
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01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:52.949
gave you my email, you'd be like, you need to
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01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.489
talk to somebody. Like you need to have a word.
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01:03:55.809 --> 01:03:57.829
I've checked your follow on Instagram. I didn't know I
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01:03:57.829 --> 01:03:59.269
wasn't following you. Couldn't find you.
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I'm following Sarah Barron, 999,999. I'm working my way there. Cheers, Sarah.
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Good luck with the show. And sorry we made you
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feel sick on hypothetical.
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01:04:09.750 --> 01:04:11.989
And this was, yeah, it was the corrective emotional experience.
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Do you feel like you've recovered now from, have we
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01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:15.639
done a bit of therapy and put that to bed?
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01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:16.340
You had a good time.
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01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.079
By the way, I was doing, there was never any,
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01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.019
you were both always so sweet. I just always felt,
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01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.500
you know, if you have a one person, you always
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01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:23.599
have bad gigs in front of them. That's how I felt.
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01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:24.679
It was like, why would I have to have a
1510
01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:26.460
bad gig in front of Joshua to come and rap Beckett?
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01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.460
So this felt much better.
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01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.860
I can't listen to Bananarama because they spoke about that
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01:04:29.889 --> 01:04:31.750
and wouldn't lie to you for ages. So I know
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01:04:31.789 --> 01:04:32.170
how you feel.
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01:04:32.710 --> 01:04:33.469
But we've corrected it.
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01:04:33.530 --> 01:04:33.949
Exactly.
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01:04:34.489 --> 01:04:36.489
Cheers, Sarah. I'll see you guys around. Thank you so
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much again for having me. Cheers, bye.
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01:04:39.650 --> 01:04:41.550
Sarah Barron. Oh, Sarah Barron.
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01:04:41.570 --> 01:04:43.179
I felt bad about Hypothetical.
1521
01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:44.380
Yeah, not as bad as I felt.
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01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:46.639
It's your show, isn't it? You should put your guests
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01:04:46.659 --> 01:04:48.860
at ease. And then James Acaster got all the love
1524
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:51.119
for talking to her about it and you just moseyed off,
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01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:51.699
not caring.
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01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:52.460
Oh, God.
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01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:53.260
Oh, well.
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01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:54.570
Pretty worried about your neck, weren't you?
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01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.260
Yeah.
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01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:56.920
Can't sort that out until I've sorted this out.
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01:04:57.059 --> 01:04:57.280
Yeah.
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01:04:57.500 --> 01:04:58.780
What are you Googling? I can see it in your
1533
01:04:58.820 --> 01:05:00.880
glasses as well, you little Google goggle monster.
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01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.460
I started reading about her podcast.
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Oh, right, OK. While we're doing the outro on ours.
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01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:08.800
Because when I Googled her podcast, a bloody load of
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01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:10.510
things came up, and then before I knew it, I
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01:05:10.570 --> 01:05:13.429
clicked on an article with an interview with her. It's
1539
01:05:13.530 --> 01:05:15.909
literally finished an interview with her, and I'm reading an
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01:05:15.949 --> 01:05:17.530
interview with her. What am I doing with my life?
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01:05:17.929 --> 01:05:19.170
Let's come back on Tuesday.
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01:05:19.190 --> 01:05:20.389
Right, see you on Tuesday.
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Bye.
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