S10 EP40: Frank Warren

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett.
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And I'm Josh Willicombe.
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Welcome to Parents in Hell, the show in which Josh
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and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent.
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Which I would say can be a little tricky. So,
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to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the
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trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll
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be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping.
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Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be
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hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice, and
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of course, tales of parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when
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none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening
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to Parenting Hell with... Noah, can.
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You say Rob Beckett?
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Rob Beckett. Can you say Josh Widdicombe?
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Josh Widdicombe.
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Okay. Can you say producer Michael?
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Michael.
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Well done. Michael. Oh, is he your favourite?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Big Michael fan. Hit with the kids. I'm willing
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to say the word producer, though. Not giving the respect.
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Is he a producer?
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Savant?
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Savant.
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Sort of like you know what circuit with ringmaster what
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do you call yourself michael producer.
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I consider myself to have a A light touch. You
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know how they say about Miles Davies, it's the notes
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that he doesn't play that make him great. It's the
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producing I don't do that makes me great.
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You're a manager of energy.
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Yeah.
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And vibes. It's the producing you don't do. Like Carlo Ancelotti,
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just let the players play.
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Yeah.
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When there's talent and ego is as big as yours.
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You're unmanageable. You're unproducible.
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We can't put us in a system. These little content
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machines just pumping it out. This is my daughter Noah,
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aka Baby No-No. 23 months. I've been waiting for this day.
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It's two years of age.
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Yeah.
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I've been waiting for this day for a long time,
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being an avid listener from the start when I didn't
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even have a kid yet. We love the show so much,
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and Noah often has a little dance when she hears
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the intro. Has Noah been spelt?
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N-O-A.
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Talia, Alex, and Noah. Crouch end. Is Noah short for something? No.
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Ah.
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Ah.
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There we go.
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Come on, look at that. You can't fucking produce that.
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Imagine producing that. Imagine trying to produce that.
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Well, the thing is, the reason we don't need to
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produce it is like no one could come up with,
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for some reason, the banal back and forths that we have.
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It's almost like I might believe it. It's almost like
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ultra realism, isn't it? Exactly, yeah.
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It's real life playing out. Kitchen sink podcasting. Kitchen sink podcasting.
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That's what it is.
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Um, but there we go. Uh, right.
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That's the eye for next. Should we do a couple
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of emails? Let's do an email before bringing on Frank Warren.
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I'm quite excited about this. It's quite a stressful interview
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this though, because I'm a big boxing fan. This is
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recorded literally before Frank Warren.
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Yeah.
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We're about to talk. Why don't we actually, rather than
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the emails, which we always push back, how are you
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feeling about this interview ahead of time?
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Well, I'm a huge boxing fan, big fan of Frank
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Warren's work. Explain to Frank Warren who he is. If
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people aren't boxing fans, explain to Frank Warren who he is. Uh,
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Explain to people who Frank Warren is. He's a very
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intimidating boxing promoter.
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I'd hate to explain.
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I'd say of everyone we've ever interviewed, he'd be the
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last person I want to tell who he is.
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I'd have struggled with Robbie Williams.
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Frank Warren is a boxing promoter legend, and he's promoted
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from Prince Azim, Hamed, Joe Calzaghe, and now Tyson Fury. Yeah, Eubank.
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He's been involved in everything in boxing for years and years.
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So he's about 73, I think, now. And he's got,
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I think, two or three children. And I know that
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one of his kids, George, works for him in the
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family boxing company. right so he's a very family-run business
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but also his biggest rival in boxing is the Hearns
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so Eddie Hearn who's the younger one and then Barry
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Hearn so Barry Hearn and Frank Warren battled it out
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the really family thing yes so there's a bit of
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a father-child narrative through this um and he's still going
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strong still probably one of the biggest boxing promoters in
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the world and are you nervous a little bit I
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want him to like me laughter laughter he does like
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you we know this he doesn't hold back he says what.
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He thinks oh that's the last thing we want laughter
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controversy these days holding back and not saying what they
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think can you hear that dog barking yeah of course
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I can laughter laughter You don't need to shut it down.
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That dog will shut it down. What are you going
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to say to a dog? I can't interview Frank Warren
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with a dog in the background. You can't. What are
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you going to say to the dog? Sorry, I'm about
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to interview Frank Warren.
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I don't want to lower my screen so he can
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see the towel I've got wrapped around my microphone for sound.
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Oh, my God. And I've got a weird yoga frog
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in the background. Yeah.
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I should go and get some boxing paraphernalia. there's a
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glove there i've got a box i'll just don't get
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a big boxing post it's a bit behind me i
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don't think it'll be more than 10 minutes before you've
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brought out that glove oh no that's a weird glove
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to bring oh no is he promoted i've got two
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minutes it's the robot lawnmower man.
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Oh god here we go yeah yeah.
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I've got a van installing a robot lawnmower i've got
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time to speak to the robot lawnmower man.
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It's up to you i'm not producing this shit show is.
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Lou is lou in Michael's just letting us play. So
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you can't lose points for the robot lawnmower, right?
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You sort of can, but I've been the main contact
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and there's a lot of questions that need to come
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my way.
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What are they? I'm panicking.
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Where's the lawn?
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I've got Frank Warren in two minutes. Where's the lawn? Also,
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install it. Come on, mate. I've seen one of them.
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You put it down and it just goes around. No,
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you've got a map here. It's got AI. It's got
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Chinese AI. What does that mean? It just can see
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what's in front of it. It's not doing it from
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a satellite.
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It is.
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I don't think I've got enough phone signal for it
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to be installed. But they said, well, come and install it.
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And if it don't work, they can take it back
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for a refund, Josh.
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Well, I reckon I'm from Lincoln. They come from Lincoln. Yeah.
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Lincoln, China. Lincoln, Guangzhou. Beijing, the flattest land of them all.
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That's what I thought. When they said they're based in Lincoln,
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I thought it's a great place to be a robot
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lawnmower man.
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So much flat, isn't there?
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Yeah.
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Do you think they came down on the robot lawnmower?
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It just navigated its way down. Well, yeah, it's basically
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such a lot. I think it's just going to open
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the boot and it's just going to move out. No,
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you've got to install it. You've got to find the power.
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You've got to like connect it to all the Wi-Fi.
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You've got all the stuff. My phone's going. My phone's going.
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Who's ringing you?
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I don't know.
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Answer it. Hello? This is Michael. I think you need
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to start producing.
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I was joking at the start. This is not acceptable. Okay.
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You've given us too much freedom. You've given us too
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much freedom to play. All right. Brilliant. I'll speak to
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Rose now. Okay. Well, no, not speak to Rose. I'll
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speak to Rob now, please. Yeah, yeah. Totally understand. Totally understand. Brilliant.
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Okay.
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Weak days.
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That's weak leadership there, Michael.
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Someone's cancelled on him. What's that? What's happening there? speak
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to rose what about this.
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Is this is like real madrid when they sold maca
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lele this is this is a nightmare this.
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Is the galactic period there's too much going on isn't
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there there's too much going on what's what was that
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phone call about oh boring house stuff but it was
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meant to be tomorrow but now it's got to be
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today because they haven't got a gap tomorrow right okay
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whoever that is fair enough right ladies and gentlemen thank
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god he's late What's that on your left? Is that
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a dolphin? Yep. I know what that is because I'm
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a boxing nerd.
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Of course you do.
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What is it, Rob?
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It's a Muhammad Ali book from Tashun and it's got
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that Jeff, is it called Jeff Koons?
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Jeff Koons.
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Yeah, Jeff Koons. He's an artist and he works with
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inflatable stuff. So it's an inflatable dolphin over a boxing
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stool with a rubber ring around it.
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That's it, you've got it.
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Fucking hell, Rob. That's a hell of a quote. I
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don't know how much it costs, so I'm very impressed.
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It was a present. I was it. Lovely. I'm too
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distracted by your office to talk to you, Frank, to
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be honest with you. You can ask him about three
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things about his office when we start, Rob. That's a
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good way to start the interview. Well, the belts behind you, Frank,
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whose belts are they?
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There's an IBF one was given to me by Mike Tyson's. Wow.
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The other one, I'm not sure. I've got so many
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of them all over the bloody place. I'm not sure
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which one it is. They've been up there for ages.
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But I know one of them is Mike Tyson's belt.
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Anyway, we'll get into more boxing in a bit, I'm sure.
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But we're here to chat kids, Frank. Welcome to the show.
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I'm a big fan of yours. Josh also, not as
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big a fan of boxing, but still a big fan.
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I'm a big fan of Josh and I'm a big
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fan of Rob. I mean, I'm big fans of you guys.
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So, first of all, how many kids have you got, Frank?
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I've got six kids. Blimey.
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Fair play.
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I've got two from previous relationships and marriage and relationship
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and four from my wife, Susan. I think we've been
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married now, well, we've been together now for 40, I
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don't know, was it 45 years?
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Yes.
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And what ages are they, the kids? I say kids,
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they're all grown-ups, aren't they?
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50, 49, 50, and I'm terrible on this. 30, I
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can't remember that. This is like.
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Interviewing my dad. He's got five kids.
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I'm a great dad. I'm useless on the birthdays as well.
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They're all in my phone.
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I won't do birthdays, but let's try and get ages in.
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We've got one who's 50.
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150, 49, a 34-year-old, a 35-year-old, a 37-year-old, and a 40-year-old. Oh,
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my God, you went round in different orders then. We
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were going down and up again. It was like a rollercoaster, that.
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And I've got 12 grandchildren.
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Blimey. No wonder you're still promoting.
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They were all round yesterday. They were all over yesterday.
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They all came over. It was like the Waltons.
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Amazing. Are they all kind of local to you?
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Yeah, they do, actually. They all live in Hertfordshire, which
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is nice. It's nice. Except for my youngest. He's in
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Australia at the moment. He's working out there.
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And how many of your kids work with you? Because
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I know there's George Warren.
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He's the CEO.
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He's the CEO of your boxing company, Queensbury. Yeah. Let
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me get this right. Another son called Francis.
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That's right. Francis, he's the eldest of Susan and my kids.
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He's a manager. He manages Moses Itama. He manages Sam Noakes.
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Quite a few decent fighters.
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So does he have to negotiate with you?
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So George runs the business with you and then you've
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got your son who's a manager of a boxer. So
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if he's looking after Moses Itama and there's a fight
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coming up, will you be negotiating with your own son?
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of Moses, or a couple of Moses' brothers. It's hard work, really,
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because he's my son, so I want to do better
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by him. People think it works the other way, but
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it don't, because you want to make it better for them.
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So we have our moments.
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Did you get them into the game early? Were they
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kind of around it?
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No, I didn't want them in it. I did not
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want them in it.
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No.
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Look, I lived on the fourth floor of a block
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of flats just off Pentville Road in Islington. Priory Green
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Estate and I was like you guys a massive sports
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fan watched everything and I got involved in boxing purely
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by accident but I got bitten by the bug and
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you know you come from that sort of working class
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background and it was great and I've been lucky over
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my time in boxing to have done fairly well and
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my ambition was to get my kids really good education
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so they went to very good schools they all went
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to uni and I didn't for one minute think they'd
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become involved in boxing but obviously that Most of our
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shows are on a Saturday night. The youngest four all
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went to boarding schools, and they come on weekends. Saturdays,
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I've only got a show on, so I don't get
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to see them until probably Sunday when they're going back,
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and you miss quite a bit of it. Obviously, they're
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bitten by the bug. They're watching all the fights and whatever,
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and then the next minute, they're in the business. I
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really did not want it because I didn't feel it
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would be I don't know, I just want them to
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do something else. But they're in it and they're very
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good at what they do. They're better than I am,
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that's for sure. They're more sensible.
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Just two of them are in the business or are
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there others as well?
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No, just two of them. Two of them, yeah.
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And so they went bald.
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That's quite a jump though to go from that sort of,
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you know, very humble beginnings, working class kid to then
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having his kids embalmed in school. Is that a difficult
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decision to send them there? Because it's sort of, you know,
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it's such a jump in one generation.
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It is.
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I mean, you know, the boarding school I went to,
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my wife, she made sure we lived like five minutes
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from it. So we moved house to be near it.
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I mean, she was up there more, probably seeing them
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more than when they were at home. But it was
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good for them and they enjoyed it. And it was,
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you know, it's not like the old Tom Brown school days,
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you know, being roasted by the fire and all that
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sort of stuff. First school they went to was Heathmount,
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then they all went to Halebury. And my daughter went
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to Princess Grace, then she did her sixth form at Halebury.
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And do they speak like you or do they speak
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like people that have been to boarding school?
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They're more eloquent than I am. LAUGHTER But then again,
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everybody is. I mean, Danny Dyer's more eloquent than I am.
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LAUGHTER No, you can have your moments, Frank. Have you
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mellowed a bit, would you say? As you're getting older,
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you're slightly more mellow, but I've seen you on the
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TV when a decision's not gone your way or you
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think someone's been hard done by, you've still got that bite.
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It was only about a year ago you were pushing
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and shoving other promoters on the stage with Ben Shalom.
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LAUGHTER No, I'm competitive. I've always been competitive. And it's
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just how you are. I'm 73 now, so I've got
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to be a bit careful in case someone gives me
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a right-hander. But no, if I'm with somebody, I'm with them.
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And I'll go and fight for them. And I believe
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in that. I believe that when you are in this,
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you're in it together through the bad times and the
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good times. you hope that people think the same way
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as you do you treat them how you'd like to
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be treated sometimes it doesn't happen and you know what
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this business is like there's always a different side to
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the story you know he's a bastard no this one's
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all right and yeah it's how it is in all
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walks of life by the way not just boxing do you.
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Think that fire in your belly that you've you've still
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got is a product of your like tough upbringing and
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whereas your kids have had a very privileged upbringing do
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you still see the same fire in their belly or
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is it a different type you know that they you
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had to earn money because you had nothing and that
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was driving you.
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So can you see the same fire in their belly
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or is it different?
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I think it's different. I think they've got that drive.
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For me, it was when I was a kid, you know,
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where I come from in Islington, my dad, my uncles,
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they were quite a well-known family there and they were
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pretty tough guys and it was a bit of a
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macho environment. So you grew up in that. That's the
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best way of putting it.
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I think you did that really well actually, Frank.
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But it's great fun. I mean, when you're a kid,
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you don't know any different. The environment you're in is
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the environment you're in, what you've been brought up in.
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And for my kids, you know, we made a decision
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to move out of London. It was at the time,
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which I think was a good decision. But, yeah, I
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like to think they're pretty well grounded. They're not precocious kids.
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I mean, they're not anything like that. I mean, they're
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not kids. They're men now. Women, you know, and got
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their own families. I think they've done really good, and
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I'm quite proud of all of them.
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That's amazing. Did they ever show an interest in boxing themselves?
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One of them did, but I told him if he
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keeps on, I'll break his hands. They got no need
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to box. You know, most kids who box, they do
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it for a reason. Mind you, I changed my view,
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I suppose, a bit on that as well, because it's
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in you, isn't it? If you're a fighting man, you're
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a fighting man. People express themselves with the talent that
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they've got. Yeah. Be an artist, be a ballet dancer,
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be a poet. and you can be a boxer some
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people you know the exponents of the noble art are
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you know it's brilliant you know big fights and great
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fighters at their best uh for me are a joy
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to watch.
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I had to promote how did you deal with like
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family like you know boxers bringing their kids to watch
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the fights did you feel uncomfortable without or do you
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just that was their decision.
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I don't particularly like that because um It depends what
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age you are. I don't like young kids coming along.
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I really do not like that. I don't think the environment,
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especially if it gets a bit heated and you get
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that sort of, which you can get at fights, I
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don't think it's a good place for kids. But, you know,
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my kids didn't go. I think one of them, the
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first time he'd come, he was probably about 13, which
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I still weren't too comfortable with.
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What about the other way as well? Do you have
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boxers that come to you and their parents are quite
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heavily involved? Like, how do you kind of manage that
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kind of relationship?
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It's really difficult, Josh, because what happens is you've got, look,
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all people are different. You've got some parents who are
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brilliant parents. You've got some, they've got other ideas. And,
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you know, there's been some public falling outs of boxers
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with their parents, which are quite sad. And I've always
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done it. I've dealt, if it's the parents involved, a
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couple of the parents have been the managers, I deal
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with them. I don't deal with a fighter. I deal
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with them. So you negotiate and you only hope that
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the message you are giving them goes back in the
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way you say it to the boxer. Yeah. And big
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falling out I had years ago was with, not with Ricky,
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but it was with Ricky, but we never had an argument.
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It was all over money. And I'd for the life
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of me, couldn't understand what that was all about. And
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cut a long story short years later, he was complaining,
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never had enough money to buy a house. And I
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got quite pissed off of it. So I just said, right,
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this is how much I paid him. And I just
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put it out there. I don't know what happened between
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him and his manager, who was his dad at the time.
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And then there was a court case, not involving me,
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involving his former trainer. And in court, a couple of
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purses came out, which he was told were far less
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than what were paid. And they had a massive fallout.
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There's a documentary about that on Sky, isn't there, called Hatton,
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about that.
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Yeah.
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And it's very sad because, I mean, you can't trust
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your dad. Who can you trust? You know, it's a
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pretty awful thing. And I know it gave him a
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lot of problems emotionally. obviously mentally, and he started boozing
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and doing other things he shouldn't be doing. And it
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was sad. It took him a long time to come
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to terms with it, if indeed he has come to
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terms with it. He's a great fella, Ricky. And him
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and I, we got together a few years later. It
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was just sad. It was very sad because, you know,
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I'm pleased to say, he says, the best night he
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ever had in boxing is when he fought Costa Zoo
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in Manchester, which is a fight I put on for him.
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And he said that was a great night. And he
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said it all went for him, felt it went downhill
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after that. It was a very, very sad time for him.
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And he's a lovely bloke. You know, what you see
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is what you get with Ricky.
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Yeah, he's a really good guy. But you get a
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lot of that in boxing with trainers as well as managers. So, like,
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Joe Calzaghe, who you worked with for years, his dad
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Enzo managed him and trained him.
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So, like, you know, you've got the dad in the corner. Like,
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how do you feel about dads training their sons? It's
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a gang.
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It's difficult.
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They're good trainers.
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They're good trainers. I mean, Alex Arthur, up in Scotland,
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former world champion, he's got two kids. One's an amateur,
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one's a pro. He trains them both. His boy just
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had his debut with me. I think Alex is a
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good trainer. Enzo was a good trainer in as much
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that I think he got more out of Joe than
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any trainer would have done in as much that because
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it's his dad. As his dad, get more out. You
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want to do it for your dad, don't you? You're
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in there. That can happen sometimes. Another thing we had, well,
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the trainers, when Daniel Duvall, when he had that fight
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against Bay Miller. He was coming off the loss against Usyk,
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that first loss, and a lot of people said he
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didn't have the heart and so forth. And I watched
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the Usyk fight back, the first one, and going to
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the ring, all he was doing was looking around as
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he was going to the ring. And I knew he
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was looking for his father because they're very close. Got
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quite a Svengali type of relationship. You know, the dad
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just said, you're going to be boxers when you're young.
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And that's how they were, him and his sister and
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everybody come through.
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I don't know if you're aware, Josh, but his dad,
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Daniel Dubar, who's fighting Usyk again in the rematch at
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Wembley on the 19th of July. which we're all getting
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excited for I'll see you there Frank his dad took
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all the kids out of school to homeschool them and
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basically trained them all as boxers.
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Wow like kind of Richard Williams boxing Serena Williams yeah.
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Daniel's the world heavyweight champion and then his sister Caroline
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is a well I don't know if she's a world
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champion on the way yeah so two world champions and
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then I went to interview Daniel Dubois recently which is
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quite a task he doesn't open up.
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Does he Daniel I wouldn't say it's a freewheeling you've
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got to have balls of steel when you sort of
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ask a question there's nothing comes back but He's so focused.
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You're good at filling space, Rob. If I've ever met
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anyone that can fill some silence. Well, do you know what, though?
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What's interesting was because his dad's been so involved in
485
00:20:33.809 --> 00:20:36.539
his career, he's always been around Daniel's dad. And because
486
00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.259
Daniel started really young, he's always felt like this sort
487
00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:43.779
of giant, almost like super kid, like wonder kid, giant child.
488
00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:45.730
But when I went to interview him, it does feel
489
00:20:45.750 --> 00:20:48.210
like something's changed in his head because I went there
490
00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:49.740
and his dad weren't even there. His dad was out
491
00:20:49.779 --> 00:20:52.420
in a Mercedes Vito thing, just watching the telly in
492
00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:54.380
the air con. And I went into the gym and
493
00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.900
it's just like metal. I've done Charles up in North London.
494
00:20:57.940 --> 00:20:59.819
It's like a big old metal barn. And it was
495
00:20:59.859 --> 00:21:02.940
about 30 degrees outside, about 40 degrees in there. And
496
00:21:02.980 --> 00:21:05.369
Daniel Debar's in there just going mad, like hitting stuff.
497
00:21:05.410 --> 00:21:08.750
And I've never seen anyone so focused. And so up
498
00:21:08.789 --> 00:21:08.970
for it.
499
00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:10.690
And I thought his dad would be there telling him,
500
00:21:10.730 --> 00:21:11.069
do this.
501
00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:11.430
Do that.
502
00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:13.410
That was my impression. But I got there and he's
503
00:21:13.450 --> 00:21:16.339
become his own man now. And honestly, Frank, I went there,
504
00:21:16.390 --> 00:21:18.539
I felt like I'd been dropped into a lion enclosure.
505
00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.180
It was like being next to a wild animal that
506
00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:24.759
can't be contained. It was really interesting though, to see
507
00:21:24.819 --> 00:21:27.200
him step away almost, it felt like, from his dad's
508
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.069
influence and become his own man. I don't know if
509
00:21:30.089 --> 00:21:31.930
you've noticed that or if he's always trained like that.
510
00:21:32.150 --> 00:21:35.450
I have. He's matured mentally now, but his dad's parenting is,
511
00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:37.250
as you say, it wasn't from home and so forth.
512
00:21:37.369 --> 00:21:39.279
And He looks to his dad. It was when I
513
00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:40.960
first met him. I never knew this at the time,
514
00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.019
but when he signed with us, and he'd look at
515
00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.240
his dad before he said something, and it was quite
516
00:21:46.269 --> 00:21:48.390
that sort of dynamic between the two of them. And
517
00:21:48.410 --> 00:21:50.890
when he came off that loss against Usyk, it was
518
00:21:50.910 --> 00:21:52.910
about the third round of the fight against Babe Miller
519
00:21:52.950 --> 00:21:55.710
in Saudi, in Riyadh. And I watched it. I see him.
520
00:21:55.730 --> 00:21:57.609
He started looking outside the ring, and he went back
521
00:21:57.650 --> 00:21:59.230
to the corner, and Don was talking to him. I
522
00:21:59.230 --> 00:22:01.950
could just see what weren't listening to him. So I said,
523
00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:04.130
get his dad. We went and pulled him out of
524
00:22:04.150 --> 00:22:04.569
the crowd.
525
00:22:04.690 --> 00:22:05.130
Oh, wow.
526
00:22:05.150 --> 00:22:07.470
Pulled someone out of the corner, sat his dad on
527
00:22:07.490 --> 00:22:10.230
the stall and was telling his dad, you know, saying, right,
528
00:22:10.609 --> 00:22:12.049
tell him to go out and do it. Just double jab,
529
00:22:12.069 --> 00:22:15.170
let the right hand go. And suddenly it all happened.
530
00:22:15.269 --> 00:22:17.329
It was like a penny dropping moment. So the dad
531
00:22:17.369 --> 00:22:20.309
works in the corner. Don's a fabulous trainer. Great trainer,
532
00:22:20.349 --> 00:22:22.710
gets the best out of him. But, you know, if
533
00:22:22.730 --> 00:22:24.809
that's the voice you're hearing, that's the voice you're hearing.
534
00:22:24.829 --> 00:22:26.250
So channel all the instructions.
535
00:22:26.430 --> 00:22:29.150
Especially in a time of stress, that voice cuts through. Yeah.
536
00:22:29.529 --> 00:22:31.829
He's really, really interesting. And he's got a younger brother
537
00:22:31.869 --> 00:22:33.130
there called Solomon.
538
00:22:33.309 --> 00:22:34.269
Solomon, yeah. Solomon.
539
00:22:34.609 --> 00:22:35.950
And then Solomon's there and he was like, oh, yeah,
540
00:22:35.990 --> 00:22:36.670
I'm Daniel's brother.
541
00:22:36.710 --> 00:22:39.069
And he's at the gym all the time being homeschooled.
542
00:22:39.309 --> 00:22:42.289
A lot of homeschooling is boxing, I found. I don't
543
00:22:42.309 --> 00:22:45.049
know if he's submitting a lot of exam results at Ofsted.
544
00:22:45.170 --> 00:22:47.650
And he's getting him to learn Mandarin because he wants
545
00:22:47.690 --> 00:22:48.710
him to fight in China.
546
00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:49.690
Oh, really?
547
00:22:50.150 --> 00:22:52.799
He was doing gymnastics next to me. But they're all
548
00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:55.660
unbelievably fit and trained and focused.
549
00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:57.930
It's mad. And I always think with things like this,
550
00:22:57.970 --> 00:23:00.390
and you've obviously seen it closer up and you being
551
00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:03.339
in sport, you know more about this than us. How
552
00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:06.450
much of that can be taught by just kind of
553
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.940
almost schooling these kids from a younger age? Like if
554
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.900
Richard Williams has done that to Serena and Venus, how
555
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.039
much of it is talent and how many of these
556
00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:18.940
stories are people who've done that and it's gone nowhere?
557
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.680
Do you know what I mean? Like, is it possible
558
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.359
to do that with a child? Do you know what
559
00:23:23.380 --> 00:23:23.640
I mean?
560
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.950
It has happened, but I also think, you know, All
561
00:23:27.009 --> 00:23:30.490
kids eventually leave the nest. That's human nature.
562
00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:30.670
Yeah.
563
00:23:31.049 --> 00:23:33.900
Of course, of their lives. It's where they go from there.
564
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.200
And I've seen kids who have been with their fathers
565
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.819
in boxing who've done extremely well. And I've seen other
566
00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:42.039
kids where it's been an impediment to them. Yeah. You know,
567
00:23:42.099 --> 00:23:44.680
where the father gets involved, he knows it, and he
568
00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:46.750
doesn't know it. You know, it's a business. We know
569
00:23:46.769 --> 00:23:49.630
it's a business, but it's also, you know, a way
570
00:23:49.650 --> 00:23:51.109
of life and things that you have to do. And
571
00:23:51.130 --> 00:23:53.190
you can't just pick it up like that just because
572
00:23:53.210 --> 00:23:56.089
you've got a talented child. Yeah. This is my 48th year.
573
00:23:56.109 --> 00:23:58.170
You know, I've been doing it a long time. And
574
00:23:58.190 --> 00:23:59.700
if I don't know now, I'm never going to know. But,
575
00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:01.759
you know, you sort of see these things and you
576
00:24:01.779 --> 00:24:03.440
listen to them. You know, you've got this sort of
577
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.240
radar now which you pick up on when somebody comes
578
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:08.359
in with their parents. And nearly all the youngsters come
579
00:24:08.380 --> 00:24:10.920
in with their parents, as they should do. And you
580
00:24:11.230 --> 00:24:12.690
pick up on it and you can, you know, you
581
00:24:12.710 --> 00:24:15.710
get that sort of feeling probably, you know, 90% of
582
00:24:15.750 --> 00:24:17.089
the time you get it right where you know there's
583
00:24:17.109 --> 00:24:17.589
going to be a problem.
584
00:24:18.309 --> 00:24:20.609
Talking of problems, what's it like when you've dealt in
585
00:24:20.630 --> 00:24:22.549
the past the most famous sort of dad and son
586
00:24:22.710 --> 00:24:25.789
in boxing at the moment, the Chris Eubank senior and junior?
587
00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:27.150
How are they to deal with you?
588
00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:29.710
I mean, because there's a difference between an overprotective dad,
589
00:24:29.829 --> 00:24:31.759
but then when you're dealing with someone like Eubank senior.
590
00:24:31.779 --> 00:24:32.400
And a lunatic.
591
00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:34.880
Yeah.
592
00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:38.420
Well, early days, because we had a couple of fights
593
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.579
for us, Chris junior and Chris senior fought for me.
594
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.329
He was originally with Barry and then he came with me.
595
00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:48.359
And I think he had five or six fights with me.
596
00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.359
And I think he got beaten in four or five
597
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:55.220
of them. Joe Kawasaki beat him, I think. Cole Thompson
598
00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:59.339
beat him. Steve Collins. So, you know, although he's a
599
00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:02.900
very valiant fighter, but he got beat. Then Chris Jr.
600
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.380
came and he had a couple of fights with us.
601
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:06.880
And then he fought Billy Joe Saunders and Bill beat him.
602
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.119
Then he went off and did his own thing. And
603
00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:11.680
then I had a couple of runnings with him later,
604
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.880
Chris Jr., which was hard work. But we've resolved our differences.
605
00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:19.079
That's all been sorted now. That's a bit of an
606
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.319
outburst at a press conference that's been sorted now.
607
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:21.619
Isn't it?
608
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.980
It's been sorted to everybody's satisfaction, especially mine.
609
00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:29.799
And so when you say your son is the, is
610
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.119
he CEO or COO?
611
00:25:31.220 --> 00:25:32.799
Well, I call him CEO. I don't even know what
612
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:33.650
the bloody, he runs it.
613
00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:34.819
Yeah.
614
00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:35.880
Is he your boss?
615
00:25:36.579 --> 00:25:40.480
He's the day-to-day boss. And I mean, I do my
616
00:25:40.539 --> 00:25:41.660
day's work, but he's on there.
617
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:42.339
What's your title then?
618
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:46.279
They call me chairman. I can't even find anywhere to sit.
619
00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:51.759
How much do you kind of butt heads with your son? Like,
620
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.759
cause that's an interesting working relationship. Cause it's like, obviously
621
00:25:55.779 --> 00:25:57.859
the thing you think of is like succession or something,
622
00:25:57.880 --> 00:25:59.900
but in succession, he never steps aside for his kids,
623
00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:02.500
but you've done that. You've stepped aside to an extent.
624
00:26:02.619 --> 00:26:05.609
I know you're chairman, but like you've handed it over
625
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:06.809
to him. How is that?
626
00:26:07.589 --> 00:26:10.589
I mean, I'm pretty much hands-on or was really hands-on
627
00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:13.839
with everything. Yeah. as far as the business side of it,
628
00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:16.460
I'm very good at going out and generating business and
629
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:19.619
selling the business and promoting it and that. The backroom stuff,
630
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.359
I've had a couple of people who have given positions
631
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.420
in the company, given them shares, especially one of them.
632
00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:26.839
It didn't work out in a big way. And sometimes,
633
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.559
I don't want to wish my son's life away. I
634
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.000
wish he'd have been my partner years ago. It would
635
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.579
have made a lot of difference. Yeah, it is different.
636
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.339
It is difficult sometimes, but first of all, he's my son,
637
00:26:36.380 --> 00:26:38.539
so I want him to be successful. And most importantly,
638
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:41.339
he's confident. I know we all say that about our kids,
639
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.160
but He's very smart and he's very well respected in
640
00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:47.170
the business. And anybody who deals with him, they're quite
641
00:26:47.710 --> 00:26:50.430
impressed with him. So, you know, he's doing a great job.
642
00:26:50.470 --> 00:26:52.410
So that suits me down to the ground. I get
643
00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:55.410
on doing what I do. And I like sort of
644
00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:58.559
developing the fighters and bringing the ones through I think
645
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:00.460
are going to be, are going to do the business,
646
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.259
going to become stars and so forth. And then we've
647
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.240
just got an understanding. There's a couple of times where
648
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.099
it gets frustrating. I know he gets frustrated with me
649
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.099
a few times. I can just see it. So, I
650
00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:11.819
just bite my tongue, have a little smile and let go.
651
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.740
Because every father-son dynamic can frustrate each other. Has anything
652
00:27:15.859 --> 00:27:18.400
personal life spilled over into professional life where you've had
653
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:19.849
a row on holiday and then you turn up on
654
00:27:19.869 --> 00:27:22.150
a Monday morning and have to square it out?
655
00:27:22.390 --> 00:27:24.269
I've got to tell you, I like to think, you know,
656
00:27:24.349 --> 00:27:26.009
all of us, we've all got a fairly good relationship.
657
00:27:26.029 --> 00:27:29.150
But I've got to be honest, at their age, they
658
00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:31.720
are now, I'll bite my tongue. Years ago, I put
659
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:33.640
them in their place, but they put me in my
660
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:34.140
place now.
661
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.960
George has been really influential recently within the business where
662
00:27:37.420 --> 00:27:40.940
When the Saudi and Turkey Al-Ashad come in with some
663
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.059
money and wanted to put on fights in Saudi Arabia,
664
00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:45.480
he wanted all the best boxers. And obviously all the
665
00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:48.880
best boxers in the UK have split between Queensbury, your company,
666
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.519
and then Barry and Eddie Hearn's company, Matchroom. And you
667
00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:54.839
were fierce rivals, never really worked together. You hadn't even
668
00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:57.549
sort of spoken or met with Eddie Hearn, who was
669
00:27:57.569 --> 00:27:59.930
your sort of rival promoter at that point. But George
670
00:27:59.990 --> 00:28:02.230
got you and Eddie in a room together to sort
671
00:28:02.269 --> 00:28:04.369
of go, look, let's squash this because there's a lot
672
00:28:04.390 --> 00:28:05.890
of business to be done here. There's a lot of money,
673
00:28:05.910 --> 00:28:07.599
a lot of good fights we can put on we
674
00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.079
need to put our personal beef aside for good business relations.
675
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.720
So you've had to have your sons come in to
676
00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:15.680
sort of be the peacemaker.
677
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:16.759
How did that feel?
678
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:19.579
Like, did you want to squash things with Matt Trim
679
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.319
or did he have to sweet talk you?
680
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.059
Barry and I were partners years ago for a short
681
00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:28.880
period in snooker business, very short period. And we've always
682
00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:31.460
been rivals and we were always the sort of, you know,
683
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.480
he's very good at what he does in snooker and
684
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:36.180
darts and we were the more successful boxing company then.
685
00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.730
we mean queensberry we left sky and started their own
686
00:28:40.049 --> 00:28:42.589
channel box nation which we ran for quite a few
687
00:28:42.609 --> 00:28:46.349
years in the meantime sky got their hunger back for
688
00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:49.299
boxing and invested quite a bit in in it plus
689
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.160
they had aj which was a big thing so there
690
00:28:52.180 --> 00:28:55.660
was a lot of rivalry and um turkey then suggested
691
00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:58.640
that we do this 5v5 and that was the first
692
00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:00.240
time i met eddie because i'd never met him before
693
00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:02.410
so we He was in the dressing room at one
694
00:29:02.430 --> 00:29:04.109
of the Wembley shows. He came in, we shook hands.
695
00:29:04.130 --> 00:29:06.210
Because this had been 10 years of back and forth,
696
00:29:06.589 --> 00:29:08.150
slagging each other off, really.
697
00:29:08.289 --> 00:29:09.150
Well, longer than that.
698
00:29:09.470 --> 00:29:11.619
Yeah, longer than that.
699
00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:14.940
It's always the young buck comes in. He's always the artist.
700
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.220
The way they do it, it's old. We've got a
701
00:29:17.259 --> 00:29:18.920
new way of doing it. All people want to see
702
00:29:18.940 --> 00:29:20.259
it in a fight, so they don't care. All that
703
00:29:20.299 --> 00:29:22.859
crap on the outside, what it is, it's just dressing.
704
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:26.180
And then we got the 5v5 going, which was... But
705
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:26.819
when George.
706
00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:27.900
First came to you and said, right, I'm going to
707
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.839
set up a meeting with you and Eddie, was you
708
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:30.759
open to it?
709
00:29:31.509 --> 00:29:34.869
I didn't really care about it, to be honest. I mean,
710
00:29:34.950 --> 00:29:38.269
it wasn't nothing that I ever thought about. The only
711
00:29:38.309 --> 00:29:41.609
time I ever talk about them or our competitors is
712
00:29:42.069 --> 00:29:44.930
in these interviews. Outside of that, we just get on
713
00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:47.049
with our business because that's what we focus on. And
714
00:29:47.069 --> 00:29:50.170
we worked very hard over the last six years with
715
00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:53.630
the model that we had, which was developing the talent here,
716
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.039
which we're now expanding. We're starting to do some shows
717
00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:58.720
in America and Europe now. And going back to it,
718
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:00.960
because I already did that years ago. And I think
719
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.900
the thing with, I suppose, this thing with Riyadh's season
720
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.119
and with H.E., his Excellency, as we call him, it
721
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.700
was the catalyst for all this to happen. And I'll
722
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:10.839
get on quite well with Eddie now.
723
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:12.319
Yeah, it's mad though, isn't it?
724
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:13.900
Me and Eddie, we ain't got good work to say
725
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.319
for George.
726
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.480
But it's so mad that your old rival's son, who
727
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.779
became your rival, it took your son.
728
00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:24.019
It's a mad father-son dynamic.
729
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:26.380
Yeah, they get on quite well together. So it's nice.
730
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:28.559
And they're, And it's funny, you sit back and you
731
00:30:28.579 --> 00:30:30.779
look at it and you just think, you know, over
732
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.180
the years, I find it quite, I have a little
733
00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:36.140
wry smile when I see it because I'm just thinking
734
00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:37.799
what it was and what it is now. I mean,
735
00:30:37.819 --> 00:30:41.680
obviously the rivalry is still there and we had the 5v5,
736
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.680
we had a few fighters and obviously when Daniel Dubois
737
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:49.069
fought AJ at Wembley, that was a game match against
738
00:30:49.150 --> 00:30:50.990
Queensborough and we came through on that.
739
00:30:51.009 --> 00:30:52.230
Got a hot run of form.
740
00:30:52.609 --> 00:30:52.809
Yeah.
741
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.359
When you say, like you said on Sunday, yesterday, this
742
00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:01.359
has been recorded on Monday, you had all the family
743
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.880
around and it was like the Waltons. How much are
744
00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:09.069
you like, right, we're not talking boxing? Is it delineated?
745
00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:11.569
Like this is family time. And then when we're at work,
746
00:31:11.589 --> 00:31:14.670
we're at work. Or is it impossible not to find
747
00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:15.730
yourselves talking business?
748
00:31:16.369 --> 00:31:18.269
When we're all together like that, we don't. Unless there's
749
00:31:18.309 --> 00:31:20.470
a real something, there's an issue that we've got. Then
750
00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:22.259
we're just like a couple of us just going to
751
00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:24.599
have sort of 10 minutes, you know, to one side.
752
00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:26.930
So we've got to say goodnight. I mean, yesterday was
753
00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:30.730
all about, it was a belated birthday party for my
754
00:31:30.769 --> 00:31:33.369
oldest daughter. I mean, the weather was a bit crappy,
755
00:31:33.390 --> 00:31:35.990
but it weren't the point. It was just really good
756
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.740
to get everyone together, some nice food, you know, and
757
00:31:38.779 --> 00:31:41.420
I like a glass of wine. And it was just lovely.
758
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:43.299
It was just a lovely day seeing the grandkids. I mean,
759
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.740
sometimes I'll step back and look at that, look at
760
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.640
them all in there. I mean, there was yesterday, one
761
00:31:48.690 --> 00:31:50.990
son was, as I say, was in Australia. There was
762
00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:52.730
26 of them there altogether. And I'm still thinking.
763
00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:56.559
How do you keep track? Like, do you know, birthdays
764
00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:57.579
and stuff like that?
765
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.579
They're all in my phone. They're all in my phone.
766
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.559
Every one of them.
767
00:32:01.579 --> 00:32:04.180
So how much, you know, because when you've got six kids,
768
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.640
when you have kids like me and Josh at our age,
769
00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:08.740
you think, oh, hopefully Nan and Grandad will be around
770
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.119
to have them for the weekend and stuff like that.
771
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.150
But obviously at the weekend, you're normally away at a fire.
772
00:32:13.309 --> 00:32:16.529
How much babysitting are you doing as Frank Warren, the grandad?
773
00:32:17.309 --> 00:32:21.740
Well, the night before, my wife had Francis... and Sam's
774
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.079
three children, because he went off to see the Oasis
775
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.190
thing at Cardiff. He's a massive Oasis fan. But she
776
00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:29.849
went and stayed there, and I stayed at home because
777
00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:30.369
of the dogs.
778
00:32:31.049 --> 00:32:34.650
So... You've got the bad side of the deal there.
779
00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:37.529
She went and babysat the kids, and the dog babysat me.
780
00:32:37.890 --> 00:32:38.690
Right, OK.
781
00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:40.589
So she normally takes the hit, and you're there with
782
00:32:40.609 --> 00:32:40.950
the dogs.
783
00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:43.289
Actually, I love it when the grandkids come round, because
784
00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:46.730
they're good fun. I mean, they're good kids, and they're
785
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.559
all different little personalities as well. It's amazing what you see.
786
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.990
And you see the similarities... with them and my mum's
787
00:32:53.029 --> 00:32:55.859
or dad's, the Warren side of it. It's quite interesting.
788
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.930
Do you ever go away for a big family holiday,
789
00:32:57.970 --> 00:32:58.819
all of them, all the six kids?
790
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.839
We used to do that quite a bit, but now
791
00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:03.920
obviously they've got in-laws, so sometimes they go away. Christmas,
792
00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:06.019
we used to all of us get together at Christmas,
793
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.460
but now that's sort of every other year sort of
794
00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:12.240
thing because they have to obviously share the thing with
795
00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:13.259
their other in-laws.
796
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.779
Am I right in saying you holiday with Jim Rosenthal
797
00:33:15.819 --> 00:33:19.500
and then his son, Tom Rosenthal? has become a comedian.
798
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:20.779
Because he was telling me he used to go on
799
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:21.859
holiday with you. Is that right?
800
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:24.680
Jim's a very good friend of mine. Jim and Chrissie,
801
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.559
his wife Chrissie. And Tom, Tom's a good son. Have
802
00:33:27.579 --> 00:33:30.559
you ever seen Tom perform? I've never actually seen him live.
803
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.000
I've seen him in the plebs and the various shows.
804
00:33:34.339 --> 00:33:37.380
And he comes to Arsenal sometimes. I've got a box
805
00:33:37.420 --> 00:33:39.559
at the Arsenal. We're all Arsenal nuts. And all my
806
00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:42.099
kids are all Arsenal nuts. As soon as they were born,
807
00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:45.259
got on the shirts, all my grandkids are all Arsenal supporters.
808
00:33:45.339 --> 00:33:47.450
As soon as that, before any of the in-laws, And
809
00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:50.289
two of the in-laws, I think it's George and Francis,
810
00:33:50.450 --> 00:33:52.869
the other side, they're Spurs fans. So as soon as
811
00:33:52.890 --> 00:33:55.569
they were born, I had their little kits ready for them.
812
00:33:55.670 --> 00:33:58.349
Got their straight asses. They're our son-in-laws and that's it.
813
00:33:58.369 --> 00:33:59.869
So they're all on, that's how it's been.
814
00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:03.609
I think if someone said to me, the most scary
815
00:34:04.289 --> 00:34:07.970
potential father-in-law to go back to, if I was dating
816
00:34:07.990 --> 00:34:09.530
your daughter, I think you'd be in the top five
817
00:34:09.570 --> 00:34:12.300
people I'd be scared of as a father-in-law. What were
818
00:34:12.340 --> 00:34:15.599
you like when you first met your son-in-laws? Or how
819
00:34:15.619 --> 00:34:16.420
many daughters have you got?
820
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.829
I've got two. too my eldest daughter she's backing singer
821
00:34:20.849 --> 00:34:24.480
and a music teacher yeah she teaches music and her
822
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:28.699
husband is a drummer he works he used to be
823
00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:32.179
in the national jazz youth orchestra Blashton who was my
824
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:33.900
form master by the way when I was at school
825
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:37.380
so that's a small world and he was in there
826
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.460
and he works on a lot of shows and things
827
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:41.639
he's lovely Neil he's a lovely.
828
00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:43.780
Guy and was you protective when they first started bringing
829
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.019
boyfriends home was you quite standoffish what was your approach.
830
00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:50.739
Well as I said that was a relationship where I
831
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.619
wasn't with the mother but we sort of got together
832
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.599
and it's all great it's fantastic but he's a lovely
833
00:34:56.619 --> 00:34:57.260
guy Neil.
834
00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:59.639
Going back to with the kids and I mean six
835
00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:02.139
of them and the boarding school how did you find
836
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:03.780
it sending them to boarding school did you like was
837
00:35:03.820 --> 00:35:06.110
it difficult what age did they go because four.
838
00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:09.969
Of them went to boarding school that's Susan's and my
839
00:35:09.989 --> 00:35:13.309
first wife Barbara Jamie went to he went to go
840
00:35:13.329 --> 00:35:16.789
into a central St Martins he went there oh yeah
841
00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:20.280
But he dropped out. And Louise, she'd done stage stuff,
842
00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:22.199
stage school and all that. But the ones who went
843
00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:25.260
to boarding school, the four that went, Henry, Faye, George
844
00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:27.440
and Francis went to boarding school. I was a bit
845
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.119
wary about it at first, to be quite honest. But
846
00:35:29.179 --> 00:35:31.739
my wife, you know, she was quite on it. And
847
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.119
she went and looked at the school. And I said,
848
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.800
we bought a house near the school. But it was great.
849
00:35:36.909 --> 00:35:38.909
I used to love it. It's like, you know, midweek,
850
00:35:39.030 --> 00:35:40.829
I'd try and get along to the football matches.
851
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.300
So, basically, they'd come home for weekends.
852
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:43.900
Is that right?
853
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:44.099
Yeah.
854
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:44.340
The kids.
855
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:45.559
So, it was just basically, you'd drop them off on
856
00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:47.480
a Monday morning, pick them up Friday afternoon, but then
857
00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:48.400
you were in and out.
858
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:50.139
Well, it was Saturday afternoon then, because they used to
859
00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:51.360
go to school on a Saturday morning.
860
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.619
Oh, my word.
861
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.030
Blimey.
862
00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:55.570
Imagine that. Going to school on a Saturday morning. I'd
863
00:35:55.590 --> 00:35:56.210
have been livid.
864
00:35:56.269 --> 00:35:57.750
Yeah, but they used to get a bowl of gruel
865
00:35:57.769 --> 00:35:59.369
at the end of the day.
866
00:35:59.449 --> 00:36:01.449
But then you'd be able to see them in the week, though,
867
00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:04.469
if you were at football matches or music shows and all.
868
00:36:04.429 --> 00:36:05.030
That kind of stuff.
869
00:36:05.050 --> 00:36:07.449
Yeah, because I don't know if I could... The people that,
870
00:36:07.510 --> 00:36:09.889
when they drop them off at like seven... Don't come
871
00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:11.889
back for six weeks. And then pick them up again
872
00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:13.809
at Christmas for six weeks away.
873
00:36:13.829 --> 00:36:15.909
Yeah, but that's the old thing, weren't it? In those days,
874
00:36:15.929 --> 00:36:19.170
you know, I mean, Halebury School was, I think that
875
00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.860
was part of the East India Company. So that's probably
876
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.619
people who were working out there, sent their kids there,
877
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:26.380
and they see them in sort of two years or
878
00:36:26.420 --> 00:36:29.639
three years later or whatever it was. No, we'd sit
879
00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:31.000
and go up there and see them and go and
880
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.739
watch them play a bit of football and all that.
881
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.150
I'd get to the matches. And Sundays, especially it was
882
00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:38.190
great if we had shows in London Sunday morning, I'd
883
00:36:38.210 --> 00:36:40.550
go and watch and play football with the local football
884
00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:43.199
team where we lived, which at that time was in
885
00:36:43.219 --> 00:36:45.300
Chewing Wood. We used to play around there.
886
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.800
And did you feel like your parenting was quite soft,
887
00:36:48.139 --> 00:36:51.579
but obviously compared to like, you had a very tough upbringing.
888
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.699
So like, you know, when you were trying to like
889
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.199
tell them off or they were a bit naughty and
890
00:36:55.219 --> 00:36:56.760
you were like, well, how do I need to do this?
891
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.820
Because you don't want to be as full on as
892
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.079
you was getting it. but then trying to find the mid,
893
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.179
like mediate it. Did you find that a challenge or
894
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.420
did it just come naturally being a bit calmer with them?
895
00:37:06.099 --> 00:37:08.920
No, I think I could sort of get their attention
896
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.340
just with the tone of my voice.
897
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:11.039
Right.
898
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.760
Especially if I had a megaphone. They were a good kid.
899
00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:16.780
They were all really good kids. And I suppose, you know,
900
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.980
in some ways you, you know, I don't know what
901
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.000
you're like with your kids, but you know, you spoil
902
00:37:21.019 --> 00:37:21.960
them if you can because.
903
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.699
Yeah. Very difficult not to, isn't it?
904
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:25.599
Yeah. And I think the other thing is, you know,
905
00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:27.780
like people who got a few quid, when you die,
906
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.250
you're going to leave them the money. And my thing
907
00:37:30.269 --> 00:37:32.750
is give it with a warm hand. I want to
908
00:37:32.789 --> 00:37:35.750
see them enjoy. Yeah. You know, I think I'd get
909
00:37:35.789 --> 00:37:38.380
more pleasure rather than, you know, you're being shoved, put
910
00:37:38.389 --> 00:37:40.880
behind the curtains and on the conveyor belt. You want
911
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.019
to see them enjoy it, don't you? And that's how
912
00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:45.780
I am anyway. So they're good kids. I think everybody
913
00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:49.039
who meets them, you know, likes them. My daughters are
914
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.539
really lovely and good kids.
915
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.179
It is a different side to Frank Warren that you
916
00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:56.019
see when he's talking about his kids. Yeah, you're a
917
00:37:56.019 --> 00:37:58.199
bit of a softie actually, Frank. The guard's coming down.
918
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.440
Is this how you feel about your fighters as well?
919
00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:02.719
Because I think that's part of it, isn't it? Is
920
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.179
that you feel a deep loyalty to your fighter. Like
921
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.840
that's what makes a good promoter is that you're absolutely,
922
00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:10.500
you'd do anything for your fighter if you know what
923
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:10.639
I mean.
924
00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:12.019
Well, you've got to be in the trenches.
925
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:12.659
Yeah.
926
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.429
You're in the trenches. A lot of fighters, fighters are,
927
00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:18.030
they're in the toughest of all sports. They're in a
928
00:38:18.070 --> 00:38:20.849
sport where, you know, that bell goes, you're in the
929
00:38:20.889 --> 00:38:22.110
ring on your own and that's it.
930
00:38:22.170 --> 00:38:22.849
You get on with it.
931
00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:25.389
You wake up in the morning if you're playing football
932
00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:27.610
or cricket on a day of a fight, you wake
933
00:38:27.690 --> 00:38:30.539
up And you're going to fight whatever happens, however you feel.
934
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.760
And that's what they do. They say afterwards, maybe I've
935
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.059
got a headache or whatever. But they'll go and fight.
936
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.780
You know, a footballer, oh, put a sub on. Or
937
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.519
we're playing next week. Don't worry. Boxers are tough, tough,
938
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:41.559
unique people.
939
00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:43.539
But they are human as well. So they will have
940
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.699
those down moments.
941
00:38:44.739 --> 00:38:46.800
Do you ever see that in the dressing room where
942
00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:48.340
you have to sort of be a father figure to
943
00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.159
them and help them with that? Or is that more
944
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:51.119
of the trainer's role?
945
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.219
You get some of them. I remember, I'm not going
946
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.190
to say his name. There's one fighter in particular who,
947
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.150
he lost this fight. And both the fighters were on
948
00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:00.980
the Coindry books. And it was an ordered fight. He
949
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:02.239
lost the fight. And he lost it by a couple
950
00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:05.780
of rounds. And because he asked me, and people with him,
951
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.539
a couple of trainers asked me, they said, he said,
952
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.329
I won that. I won that. He said, didn't I?
953
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:12.659
I won that. I said, no, you didn't. He went, what?
954
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:13.980
I said, no. I said, the other fellow. I said,
955
00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:17.050
it was even money going into the 10th round. And
956
00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:19.369
he won those last couple of rounds. That is how
957
00:39:19.469 --> 00:39:21.369
I see it. And he went off alarming. I said,
958
00:39:21.389 --> 00:39:22.909
what are you asking me for? What are you going
959
00:39:22.929 --> 00:39:25.449
to do, lie to you? I said, it's what it is.
960
00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:27.920
I said, but we'll do a rematch and we'll find out.
961
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.840
But it was really, really tough work. But again, as
962
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.460
I say, everybody's different. You know, they've got different things
963
00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:36.000
and different ways. But he actually fought the guy a
964
00:39:36.019 --> 00:39:37.460
few years later and beat him.
965
00:39:37.909 --> 00:39:39.730
That's the part, you know, like if you are being
966
00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:41.730
a father figure or, With kids, you've got to be
967
00:39:41.750 --> 00:39:42.909
honest when it's the truth.
968
00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:45.170
You can't lie and be a yes man. What do
969
00:39:45.190 --> 00:39:46.130
you think of your business?
970
00:39:46.150 --> 00:39:48.059
I mean, if you have a dodgy night on the
971
00:39:48.099 --> 00:39:50.179
stage or it's just not quite work, you don't want
972
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.360
to be someone dragging you down. You want to be lifted,
973
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.880
don't you? Of course. People around you to do it,
974
00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:56.679
you know, to encourage you. You don't want to lose
975
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.590
your confidence. And you want to be appreciated and felt
976
00:39:59.610 --> 00:40:01.090
that people are there battling for you.
977
00:40:01.210 --> 00:40:04.039
I think that comes through your sort of, affection towards
978
00:40:04.099 --> 00:40:06.019
Tyson Fury in a sort of, you know, as a
979
00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:08.780
friend and a father figure way, where people always go, oh,
980
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:09.579
is Tyson coming back?
981
00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:12.070
Is Tyson coming back? And you never egg it up
982
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:14.070
or try and convince him.
983
00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:16.969
I really appreciate the way you always say, he's the
984
00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:19.190
best place he can be, which is happy and healthy.
985
00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.070
And that's all I want from him. But if him
986
00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:23.449
being happy and healthy involves him fighting, I'll help him
987
00:40:23.489 --> 00:40:25.750
with that. But as long as he's happy and healthy,
988
00:40:25.769 --> 00:40:27.329
I don't care if he fights or not. And it
989
00:40:27.369 --> 00:40:30.409
does feel authentic, you know, because for you, if you're
990
00:40:30.449 --> 00:40:32.849
just a shark business mind, you are on him every
991
00:40:32.869 --> 00:40:34.710
day to get him because he is just pure money
992
00:40:34.750 --> 00:40:35.949
to you in that regard.
993
00:40:35.989 --> 00:40:37.449
But it's more to you than that, I think.
994
00:40:37.630 --> 00:40:40.389
I've seen people do that, Rob, over the years with guys.
995
00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:43.610
It's dreadful. I mean, I was reading today that Ricky's
996
00:40:43.769 --> 00:40:45.489
coming back in a fight for the life of me.
997
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:46.179
I mean, come on.
998
00:40:46.659 --> 00:40:47.559
He shouldn't be fighting again.
999
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:49.579
He doesn't need to be doing that. He's 46 now.
1000
00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:50.820
He doesn't need to be doing that.
1001
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.780
I mean, this has got off parenting, but what do
1002
00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:56.900
you think of the kind of rise of the influencer
1003
00:40:57.019 --> 00:41:02.380
boxing world? Is that good for... because it's making it
1004
00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:04.300
more visible, or do you think it undermines it as
1005
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:04.739
a sport?
1006
00:41:05.449 --> 00:41:08.769
I think it's a bit of both. Look, they're not kids,
1007
00:41:08.869 --> 00:41:13.150
are they? They're not 15-year-old kids. They're educated people, smart people.
1008
00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:17.179
So they build up their fan base online, and they're
1009
00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:19.139
finding a way if they want to fight, like what's
1010
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.019
his name, KSI, and a few of these other guys,
1011
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.960
Jake Paul, to monetize it. Jake Paul actually is fighting
1012
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.940
fighters now. I mean, they're not great fighters, but he's
1013
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.760
fighting fighters. They can find a way to monetize it.
1014
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.679
As long as the health aspect, the doctors are there,
1015
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:34.800
it's not going to be licensed by the British Boxing
1016
00:41:34.820 --> 00:41:36.460
Board of Control, but as long as they've got the right,
1017
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.599
that they're fit to fight, that's their choice. It's like,
1018
00:41:39.619 --> 00:41:41.619
if I want to go and climb Mount Everest, that's
1019
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.789
my choice. You know what the risks are and so forth,
1020
00:41:44.869 --> 00:41:48.510
that's your choice. What I don't like about it is
1021
00:41:48.550 --> 00:41:54.090
people think that is boxing. They are fighting, but they're
1022
00:41:54.110 --> 00:41:56.699
not trained as a fighter given those years, maybe as
1023
00:41:56.739 --> 00:41:59.489
an amateur. or in other sports, it is what it is.
1024
00:42:00.130 --> 00:42:02.519
And as long as people understand that, they understand it.
1025
00:42:02.590 --> 00:42:05.309
I mean, we did a show with Jake Paul in America,
1026
00:42:05.650 --> 00:42:07.789
the very first time for about three, four years ago.
1027
00:42:07.829 --> 00:42:10.610
In fact, Daniel Dubois fought on it. We took him
1028
00:42:10.690 --> 00:42:13.670
out there. The place was rammed out from six o'clock
1029
00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:17.199
at night. Really young audience, all sitting there, watching it,
1030
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.889
all getting into this. And there's some really good fights
1031
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:23.940
with proper licensed and trained fighters on there. And then
1032
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.679
on came Jake, and he fought this guy who was
1033
00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:28.809
pretty old. This is the early days. And it beat him.
1034
00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:30.409
It was an eight rounder. And then he's given a
1035
00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:32.309
speech in the ring afterwards. And it was like, it
1036
00:42:32.349 --> 00:42:35.460
was a world title fight. And the crowd were going berserk.
1037
00:42:35.889 --> 00:42:38.389
And I'm looking around, and I remember another old guy
1038
00:42:38.429 --> 00:42:40.670
like me sitting there from New York. I said, where
1039
00:42:40.690 --> 00:42:42.909
did we go wrong? They were going mad, but they
1040
00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:45.389
sat there, and they loved it, and they cheered him on,
1041
00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:48.670
and he's found an audience. And actually, Jake's quite a
1042
00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:50.699
nice fellow. If you meet him, he's good fun.
1043
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.579
What do you chat to Jake Paul about?
1044
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:54.119
Boxing.
1045
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.699
He made his name through basically his version of Candid Camera,
1046
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.280
wasn't it? Yes. I like Jake, and his business partner, Nikisa,
1047
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.849
is a very smart guy. Yeah, and they found a
1048
00:43:05.090 --> 00:43:08.699
niche and they've exploited it and they're doing well at it. But,
1049
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.679
I mean, him fighting Mike Tyson for me was, I mean,
1050
00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:14.900
what's Mike Tyson doing getting in the ring at 58?
1051
00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:15.880
He's nuts.
1052
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.139
Well, he wants to fight Anthony Joshua, doesn't he, next?
1053
00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:20.179
Which I'm not sure how that ends up.
1054
00:43:21.010 --> 00:43:21.650
We'll see.
1055
00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:26.150
Frank, so July 19th, Daniel Dubas fighting Usyk. You can
1056
00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:26.579
watch it.
1057
00:43:26.869 --> 00:43:28.429
Where can I watch? On DAZN pay-per-view?
1058
00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:31.699
On DAZN. On DAZN pay-per-view. Yeah. It's the first pay-per-view
1059
00:43:31.739 --> 00:43:36.260
they've ever done. So that's going to be interesting. It's
1060
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.230
a great fight. We sold, I think, we're up to
1061
00:43:38.269 --> 00:43:39.929
about 88,000 tickets now.
1062
00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:42.510
So there's still tickets available to watch it in Wembley?
1063
00:43:42.809 --> 00:43:45.349
Yeah, there's still some available from Ticketmaster, yeah.
1064
00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:45.849
Yeah.
1065
00:43:45.949 --> 00:43:47.809
You know, it's going to be a great fight. I mean,
1066
00:43:47.889 --> 00:43:51.650
you know, it's Daniel, I think... His management said it,
1067
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:53.920
Usyk's manager. He's a great fighter, by the way. He's
1068
00:43:53.940 --> 00:43:57.719
probably the best heavyweight of the 21st century. He's undefeated.
1069
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:03.699
Four-time world champion at heavyweight and cruiserweight and Olympic gold medalist. Undefeated.
1070
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.820
And the Brit basher, he's beaten them all. So even
1071
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.159
with Daniel, he's already had that controversial fight with. But
1072
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.699
this is a different Daniel Dubois. And his management said,
1073
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.610
last time we fought Daniel Dubois. This time we're fighting
1074
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.190
Daniel the man. And I think that's the way it's
1075
00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:18.489
going to be.
1076
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.840
That's exactly the feeling I got when I saw it.
1077
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.940
And are you going, Rob? Yeah, I'm going, yeah. I'm
1078
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:23.920
going to bring my dad, actually.
1079
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:24.440
Oh, yeah.
1080
00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:26.260
My dad's coming along. Yeah, so that'll be nice. He's
1081
00:44:26.539 --> 00:44:27.909
not been to a big fight for years.
1082
00:44:28.429 --> 00:44:30.929
Do you know that Rob's dad used to make them
1083
00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:33.849
box in the living room, Frank? There's photos of us
1084
00:44:33.909 --> 00:44:36.369
at Christmas with gloves on, fighting, me and my brothers, yeah.
1085
00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:39.110
Oh, correct. Where'd you get one of those punch ball things?
1086
00:44:39.349 --> 00:44:41.269
Yeah, but we had, like, two sets of little red gloves.
1087
00:44:41.289 --> 00:44:42.409
Well, I'm older than you. I used to have to
1088
00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:43.099
stand on it.
1089
00:44:43.590 --> 00:44:44.010
Exactly.
1090
00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:44.710
And try and hit it.
1091
00:44:45.090 --> 00:44:47.630
Bastard bat, yeah. So my dad's coming along, so... Yeah, no,
1092
00:44:47.630 --> 00:44:48.789
I think it's going to be a great fight.
1093
00:44:48.809 --> 00:44:53.519
Because also, Daniel's definitely got better and more switched on mentally.
1094
00:44:53.659 --> 00:44:56.239
And the confidence from beating AJ at Wembley, he's done
1095
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.679
it before, he's been in that environment. And then Usyk
1096
00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:01.179
is a freak and he's unbelievable, but he's definitely not
1097
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.980
getting quicker and better. You just can't at that age.
1098
00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:04.559
I hope so.
1099
00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:05.969
You know, there's no way.
1100
00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:08.710
So I think he's still unbelievable, but he's at a
1101
00:45:08.730 --> 00:45:12.250
level where Daniel's definitely getting better and he's so powerful
1102
00:45:12.289 --> 00:45:14.610
and so strong and he's so... his confidence he's got.
1103
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:15.920
So it's going to be an amazing fight. That really
1104
00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:18.480
got me excited for it by going to see him train.
1105
00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:20.340
He knows he can hurt him because he hurt him,
1106
00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:22.159
didn't he? He had that four minute break.
1107
00:45:22.460 --> 00:45:24.139
He got, he hit him on the belt and some
1108
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:25.659
said it was a low blow. Some said it was
1109
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.760
on the belt. And then either way, Usyk basically took
1110
00:45:28.820 --> 00:45:30.440
five minutes to recover, which was a bit of an
1111
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:31.219
old man's trick.
1112
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.909
The referee helped him as well, Rick, on that. And, uh,
1113
00:45:34.699 --> 00:45:36.139
Why they kept saying it was a low blow, I
1114
00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:38.460
don't know. This one, by the way, we got sponsored
1115
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:39.420
by Specsavers.
1116
00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:43.559
Also, he split with his manager, didn't he? He split with...
1117
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.199
I thought that was quite strange. Yeah, he split with him,
1118
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:45.760
with Alex.
1119
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:46.739
Yeah, Alex Krasuk.
1120
00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:48.179
He split with his manager that he's been with for
1121
00:45:48.219 --> 00:45:50.360
years and years. It seems a very strange time to
1122
00:45:51.309 --> 00:45:52.610
break up. I don't know what has gone on there.
1123
00:45:52.630 --> 00:45:53.670
Do you know what's gone on there, Frank?
1124
00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:55.909
No.
1125
00:45:55.969 --> 00:45:57.110
If you do, you're not telling us now.
1126
00:45:57.130 --> 00:45:59.250
I see it with Emily.
1127
00:46:00.809 --> 00:46:02.070
How nervous do you get, Frank?
1128
00:46:02.150 --> 00:46:02.929
Because obviously.
1129
00:46:03.309 --> 00:46:05.590
With football and stuff, they'll say, actually, it's worse if
1130
00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:08.699
you're the manager rather than the players because you're just
1131
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.760
watching helpless.
1132
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.739
Is that the same with boxing? I don't think it's
1133
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:14.820
getting nervous. You can get frustrated when you know that
1134
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.260
a guy can be doing something or tactically you see
1135
00:46:17.739 --> 00:46:22.150
what he's not doing. Over the years, you become conditioned
1136
00:46:22.190 --> 00:46:24.130
to it. So for me, I'll go to the fight.
1137
00:46:24.389 --> 00:46:26.909
The fight for me is all the hard work's been
1138
00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:30.050
done from my perspective. Now, two guys are in there.
1139
00:46:30.070 --> 00:46:32.610
We're going to hopefully enjoy this and hopefully get the result.
1140
00:46:33.269 --> 00:46:36.489
It's all about judgment and timing. The best punches in boxing,
1141
00:46:37.030 --> 00:46:39.659
the knockout punches, are the best time punches. And the
1142
00:46:39.699 --> 00:46:42.880
best matchmaking is about timing, too. We like to think
1143
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.760
we're the best at that game. And we've done it
1144
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.440
over the years with lots of fighters. I mentioned Ricky
1145
00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:52.719
Hatton earlier, Joe Kawasaki, Frank Bruno when he finally won
1146
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.619
a world title against Olo McCall. You know, even the
1147
00:46:55.659 --> 00:46:58.639
fight we did for the world title with AJ. I mean,
1148
00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.409
Daniel was a big underdog guy in that fight. Yeah.
1149
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.000
But this fight, this is going to be, I think
1150
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:06.440
it's going to be a great fight. You know that
1151
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.940
Usyk's a competitor.
1152
00:47:08.420 --> 00:47:09.639
And do you think you'll ever stop?
1153
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.679
Could I ever stop? There's times I think to myself,
1154
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.739
sod this, but they keep pulling me back.
1155
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.320
Just one more fight.
1156
00:47:19.420 --> 00:47:20.260
Just one more fight.
1157
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.139
We're going to finish with the final question, Frank. Thanks
1158
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:23.639
for giving us your time. I really appreciate it.
1159
00:47:23.659 --> 00:47:23.869
Thank you.
1160
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:24.760
It's been a real joy.
1161
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:27.500
So this is a question about Susan. What's the one
1162
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.099
thing she does as a parent that you go, oh
1163
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.869
my God, she's amazing? What a woman and what a mother.
1164
00:47:32.050 --> 00:47:33.989
And then what's the one thing she does that frustrates
1165
00:47:34.010 --> 00:47:36.719
you slightly? And if she was listening and she heard
1166
00:47:36.739 --> 00:47:38.199
you say it, she might go, oh, he's got.
1167
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:40.380
A point there. Is there something that frustrates you as
1168
00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:41.179
well as the positive?
1169
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.480
When things sometimes, they hide things from me. Oh, really?
1170
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.619
I don't mean, you know, little things maybe going on
1171
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.780
and then I find out after. Why didn't you tell me?
1172
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.119
We can, you know, that happens occasionally.
1173
00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:54.829
Oh, so she holds information back in case you react
1174
00:47:54.869 --> 00:47:55.190
to it.
1175
00:47:55.449 --> 00:47:56.670
And that's annoying.
1176
00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:58.369
I knew you would react like that. Yeah, yeah.
1177
00:48:00.860 --> 00:48:02.280
And then what's the one thing she does that makes
1178
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:03.659
you go, oh, she's amazing, what a mum?
1179
00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:07.420
Patience. And she's done a great job of them, because basically,
1180
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.739
as I mean, she started off with this, you know,
1181
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.389
I did a lot of travelling, I was away a lot,
1182
00:48:11.030 --> 00:48:12.789
and she was the glue that held it all together.
1183
00:48:13.409 --> 00:48:14.070
She was brilliant.
1184
00:48:14.469 --> 00:48:14.789
Oh, amazing.
1185
00:48:15.130 --> 00:48:15.610
Thanks, Frank.
1186
00:48:15.630 --> 00:48:17.389
And I'll see you at Wembley. Fingers crossed for a
1187
00:48:17.469 --> 00:48:19.769
British win. What's the date again, and how do they
1188
00:48:20.030 --> 00:48:21.530
sign up for pay-per-view, et cetera?
1189
00:48:21.889 --> 00:48:24.710
It's the 19th of July at Wembley Stadium, so tickets
1190
00:48:24.750 --> 00:48:29.260
still available on Ticketmaster, and... It's on DAZN pay-per-view.
1191
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.900
So you can get it through the app and on
1192
00:48:30.940 --> 00:48:32.969
your telly as well. On Sky, there's a little DAZN app.
1193
00:48:32.989 --> 00:48:33.800
You can get through it there.
1194
00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:35.769
And if you want to... I know you're coming along
1195
00:48:35.809 --> 00:48:37.769
to it, Rob. If you want to come along, Josh,
1196
00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:38.590
you know you're more than welcome.
1197
00:48:38.610 --> 00:48:39.170
Yeah, I'd love that.
1198
00:48:39.190 --> 00:48:39.570
That'd be great.
1199
00:48:39.590 --> 00:48:41.750
You're going to be like a rabbit in the headlights, Josh.
1200
00:48:41.829 --> 00:48:44.489
I'd love that. I'd have night of my life. You'll
1201
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be in a headlock within two minutes.
1202
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And if anybody pulls out.
1203
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And bring your bag with you, because if anybody pulls out.
1204
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done a few bits of boxing training.
1205
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Don't worry about that, Frank.
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Cheers, Frank.
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Cheers, Frank. Thank you. Thanks a lot, fellas.
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Frank warren what a lovely bloke lovely there's a much
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bigger heart there than you imagine from the outside of
1210
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boxing promoting.
1211
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Well do you know what like i've watched a lot
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of frank warren because i'm as much as i've been
1213
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.039
boxing i love the soap opera of it so yeah
1214
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i'm actually a bit annoyed that he gets on with
1215
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matrim now because back in the day there'll be an
1216
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interview with frank going eddie Earn said.
1217
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This and he's an idiot you need to get into
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wrestling Rob.
1219
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Well that's basically what it was and then Eddie Earn
1220
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would do a video going oh Frank Warren said this
1221
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and it would be like two men bickering it was
1222
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great fun it was almost like Big Brother but now
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they get on but like there was definitely a different
1224
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side to him because normally in the interviews you see
1225
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him going.
1226
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I've sent the offer. He's not come back to me.
1227
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That was bang out. And all that sort of, you know,
1228
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macho promoter aggression. But that was great.
1229
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Loved it.
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Six kids.
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Blimey.
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Loved it. I'll see you next week.
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See ya. Cheers.