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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers.com. I am Mike Spofford, joined, as always, by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from the Pottawatomie Sportsbook studio inside the walls of Lambeau Field to review, Wes, a 17-14 Green Bay Packers victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Raymond James Stadium down in Tampa. And unfortunately, the discussion of this game comes with how costly this victory was for Green Bay because the defense has lost one of its top playmakers for the rest of the season in linebacker Edgerin Cooper to an Achilles injury. This was another tough one.
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Speaker 2: It was a big one. And I was sitting there, you were working on Insider Inbox, and I was kind of going through some of the comments on Twitter and kind of thinking through my own sort of membrane a little bit about the type of player that Cooper is and the role that he'd had on this team this season. And it's difficult to put into words exactly, I think, what he meant in terms of the totality of this football team and what we've seen from him the past two years. One of the top young playmakers in the National Football League, but even more than that, he was such a pivotal part of what Green Bay was doing without Micah Parsons. And when you break it all down, it wasn't just the fact that he had interception in that game, which was spectacular. It wasn't the fact that he was in the backfield quite a bit, registered a sack of Jalen Daniels in that game early on, and was leading the Packers with nine tackles, finished as the leading tackler with nine tackles, despite not playing the last, what, almost 25 minutes of regulation. You add up all that stuff, but It's just seeing him come into his own as an athlete, as a linebacker, as just a playmaker. And the situation in which it went down, because I, for whatever reason, the play was kind of facing us a little bit. So I watched Edrin from the moment that everything developed. In the second that he looked back when he went down with the non-contact, I'm like, oh, shoot, it's an Achilles. Yeah. It's just, they always look the same.
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Speaker 1: That's the, yeah, that's the reaction. You look behind you, you look behind you because when that Achilles pops, it feels like somebody stepped on you or somebody kicked you, you know, and he turns around behind and he's all by himself laying on the ground. And, and yeah, I mean, we all had the same reaction in the press box, sort of, it was, and it turned out to be what, what we feared. And just another challenge that's getting thrown at the Packers and at the Packers defense, which is still waiting for Micah Parsons to come back. We have been informed that he is not going to return to practice this week. So still waiting on kind of, I guess you'd say, a week-to-week basis at this point as to when Parsons is going to get back on the practice field. But kudos to Jonathan Gannon, the Packers defensive coordinator, because the way this game ended, and we'll talk about how the offense should have put the game away, but essentially it came down to a final possession. The Packers are up by three. The Buccaneers have driven. They've actually either gotten to or crossed midfield, and Gannon suddenly starts dialing up Evan Williams on the blitz. Now what's interesting to me about this is that were those going to be blitz calls for Edger and Cooper, and Jonathan Gannon has to think, okay, I don't have Edger and Cooper on the field, so who's the guy that I want to send on the blitz? And Jonathan Gannon is very much, and he said it at the podium himself, Players, not plays. He's not thinking about blitzes to dial up. He's thinking about what players do I want to go after the quarterback. So we'll hear from him later today in a little bit, and I'm sure he'll address this, everything going on with Cooper and then with Williams. But that became the Evan Williams show to close out the game. And kudos to the young safety because he really came through.
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Speaker 2: And before I heap praise on Evan Williams, because he's just been exceptional, you know, throughout the stretch here early in the season with Green Bay, you're seeing him take that jump. What I absolutely loved about Jonathan Gannon, it's not just players over plays. It's trusting those players, right? He was, he was making sure he wanted to win with his guys. And if Jalen Daniels, an undrafted rookie out of Kansas beat him, it is what it is. It's his scheme. It's his looks first down. It's, You know, Isaiah McDuffie's coming, nearly brings him down. Evan finishes the job on second down. Third down, he gets off a little bit of a check down. But on fourth down, here comes Evan Williams again. So to answer your question, if Edrin Cooper would have been involved, I'm guessing he was going to be involved in at least one of those based on how that was all drawn up.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps multiple.
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Speaker 2: But the fact is, is that I want to steal this phrase from Aaron Nagler. He was the one that I believe said it on X. Evan Williams had his Leroy Butler type game. He was impactful at the line of scrimmage. He was impactful in the second level. And he was impactful at his natural free safety position with the interception in the first quarter. This guy did it all. And when it came down to crunch time, when you're looking for your star players to shine, they don't have Edren Cooper. They don't have Micah Parsons. That doesn't mean it always has to be another pass rusher or linebacker. In this particular case, it was a safety. And he came through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a couple other things I'll add to that. As you alluded to, prior to the final possession of the game, Evan Williams had already had a very strong game. He had the interception early on, which set up Green Bay's first touchdown drive. He had a great pass breakup on a ball over the middle to Kate Otten that was going to get a first down for the Buccaneers across midfield heading into scoring territory. He was all over that and swatted that pass down. So he had already made... impactful plays before the final sequence. And the other thing I'll say, you mentioned McDuffie comes on first down, forces the incompletion. Williams gets the sack on second down. So now it's third and 16, if I'm remembering the numbers correctly. Williams blitzes again. The Buccaneers have a great call against the blitz. They're setting up a screen to the right side, and that is exactly the type of play you want to beat the blitz. So credit to the entire Green Bay defense for playing that screen well enough that it didn't rupture. They only got five yards, and it's set up fourth and 11. And even if they get 10 yards, and you're looking at fourth and five or fourth and six, it's a completely different situation than fourth and 11. The defense played that screen really well, held it to a minimal gain, kept it at fourth and long, and then Williams comes again on fourth down and is.
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Speaker 1: Hanging on to Jalen Daniels' leg and not letting him get away, and all he can do is try the desperation pass. So just a great sequence by the defense to finish out a victory to get the Packers to 2-2. The frustrating part of this game, though, is it shouldn't have come down to that last possession, because in the fourth quarter, the Packers had two drives offensively with the opportunity to score, to bulge their lead to double digits, and and the fumble by Caleb Johnson inside the five-yard line, and then after the defense gets the stop back there and forces the Buccaneers to punt from the back of the end zone, the offense is right back in scoring territory, and then Jordan Love makes really his only mistake of the entire game. He played a really, really good game, makes the one mistake, throws the interception in the red zone that then gives the Buccaneers that one last chance, only down by three points, and that's what led to so much of the frustration and the disappointment and the comments from Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love after the game. Not only everybody was upset about Cooper's injury, but they know that this game should not have finished 17-14. The offense should have been able to put the game away, made it much easier on the defense. That didn't happen, and this Packers offense has got to figure out how to clean up its act and take advantage of those chances.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just trying to get everything into alignment, right? Speaking specifically on that interception, I mean, you tip your cap to Jacob Parrish. I mean, when they talk about reading your keys, you know, we hear that phrase all the time in the locker room. He did that. He trusted his rules. He came over from the far perimeter safety spot to range over and pick off that pass. It was a major play for the cornerback there. But The Packers, I think what was tough was that was the moment where Jordan Love kind of blinked a little bit, right? The Packers offense blinked. Yes, you had the fumble with Caleb Johnson, but then you also had a fumble earlier with Marshawn Lloyd that got saved by the ball going out of bounds. The offensive line played much better in this game. You know, one quarterback or two quarterback hits allowed no sacks, but there still were some procedural penalties. There was still some holding penalties. It wasn't always clean. The receivers had some drops. Tucker Kraft was lamenting his drop in the end zone after the game. It was a mixture of all these different things that the Packers did enough to win, but they also in many ways left that door open for Tampa Bay to take that game themselves and for the Green Bay to lose it. But I think what you have to feel good about if you're the Packers is you saw growth in the areas you need to see it after the first three games. There were explosive runs. Chris Brooks breaking a 27-yarder in the first quarter. Caleb Johnson getting a 31-yarder later in the game, the two longest carries of the season. Brooks was almost twice as long as the previous long run to that point of 14 yards. You saw guys, the Tucker Craft sneak plays back in the playbook. The Packers converted. They struggled. They went 0-6 on their first six third down attempts, but they converted three fourth downs on the 16-play series. That took nine minutes. That allowed them to get on the scoreboard. The Packers... did things better in this game it wasn't just always about explosive plays they did move the chains a little bit more but they had a little bit more wiggle room based on the opponent and as we'll talk about probably more on Thursday that margin for error is going to get paper thin now yeah when you take on a team like the Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Bears yeah absolutely I mean the There were positives on the offensive side of the football, particularly with the offensive line play. Lakin Tomlinson, newly signed, stepped in to play left guard. Kevin Zeitler wasn't quite ready yet after just three practices. Not surprising in that regard because, as we talked about last week, he hadn't had training camp. He hadn't had an offseason being with the team and being out there on the football field. So Travis Glover took over at right guard, which was his first start at that position and his first start as a Packer since The playoff game in Philadelphia two seasons ago, that didn't go so well for him. So props to those guys. And yes, there were flags. Those are the things the Packers are focused on cleaning up. But as much as Jordan Love had been hit in the first three weeks of the season, the fact that he was not sacked was only hit twice in this game. It was a step forward for the offensive line. And you mentioned the explosive runs. This was a tough Tampa Bay run defense, as we talked about last week. And no, other than those two explosive runs, the Packers did not do much on the ground. But when you can bust a couple of runs like that, that gives you something to build on moving forward. And we'll see now if maybe week two here for Kevin Zeitler, if he ends up stepping in at right guard, and then we'll see where Aaron Banks is. But Tomlinson certainly on short notice, so to speak, having just arrived with the team on Monday. proved to be an upgrade with where the Packers were at the guard position. So there are things to build on here, but there are also just sort of these black marks, these black eyes, so to speak, on that performance by the offense that, as you said, continuing to play like this offensively against the opponents that are coming up, you're not going to be able to win these games that way. So that's what needs to be the focus moving forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the other thing I want to mention, too, it really was a game of the young son hero. Lakin Tomlinson on six days employment, really, with the Green Bay Packers, placed 60 offensive snaps at left guard.
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Speaker 1: In the 90-degree heat and humidity of Tampa, Florida.
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Speaker 2: Yep, and as he even said, he's like, all that stuff, he didn't think about it. He thought about his assignment. He thought about what he had to do. His focus that entire game, as he said... was all about Sean Ryan. I even asked him afterwards about the Tucker Craft sneak plays. Like, I didn't know, bro. I was just going for what was in front of me the entire time. And it allowed him to succeed. The 27-yard run was Tomlinson and another unsung hero in Mark Redman that were sealing that gap to open up that second level for Chris Brooks that we haven't really seen yet this season as Green Bay tries to get some of those more explosive runs together. I absolutely love the fact that Green Bay started in three personnel. I made a note of this in Insider Inbox, or one of the stories that I wrote. 110 offensive snaps played by the tight end group. It wasn't just Tucker Kraft. It was Jonu Smith being out there, and it was Redmond. 47% of the offensive snaps, Redmond was playing in this game. This was a guy that Green Bay traded for at the end of training camp because they felt like they needed that blocking tight end in this offense. And I think you've seen him week after week show the confidence, show how much he's learned in this scheme to put himself in a position to contribute. And then the last thing I'll mention too, you tip your cap to Travis Glover because the last time he was on the field for Green Bay was over a year and a half ago. It was a tough performance against Philadelphia in the playoff game. He ends up having a shoulder injury that wipes him out the entire 2025 season. Remember, you and I were having conversations, not really sure what was going to happen because it was early in training camp. Are the Packers going to keep him around? He's a six-round pick from a year ago. Are you going to injury settle him? No, Green Bay kept him in the fold. He was here pretty much all season. And then next thing you know, as Green Bay is dealing with all these injuries and all these different issues on the offensive line right now, it's Travis Culver that steps in, I thought, did a very commendable job of settling in in a spot where Green Bay's had a lot of flux.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned everything that he went through last year with the injury situation and his health. And hey, if the Packers are going to move forward here with Tomlinson at left guard and Zeitler at right guard and trying to figure out what's up with Aaron Banks' health, You found a depth piece here at guard who can be a next man up if something happens here. So absolutely hats off to Glover in that regard. We've talked defense and offense. I want to throw in special teams as well. Trace Mack, 58-yard field goal. It looked to me, I didn't have a chance to confirm with you in the press box, it looked to me like the kick When Bowles called the timeout at the end of the first half that he missed, it missed to the right. So for him to come back, you know, drilled it right down the middle, big three points, obviously gave the Packers the lead at halftime. And then when the final margin is three points, obviously it looks, it looks even bigger. So hats off to smack for another, another clutch kick, which was the three points that came after Edger and Cooper's interception there late in the first half, when it looked like the Buccaneers might be driving down to take the lead before halftime. And the other one I want to throw out, which was something I mentioned to you in the press box when it happened, is Sky Moore on the punt returns. Now there wasn't the explosive return, there wasn't the big highlight, but there was one punt in particular, kind of a low wobbler from Tampa Bay, and Sky Moore ran up, like full speed, ran up, caught the punt, made a couple moves, and got some yardage. And I leaned over to you in the press box at the time and I said, that is exactly the kind of move from a punt returner that we haven't seen in Green Bay for so long. Most of the time it's been play it safe, get away from the ball, and then you lose a bunch of yardage on the roll. When you combine, Cam Acord gave us that whole, he did that study about when punts bounce, it's an average of like 14 yards of field position. So you combine Cam Acord's average of 14 yards with, I believe it was eight yards that Moore got on that return.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: 22 yards of field position by him making that play. I mean, you can't, you can't overstate how important that kind of stuff is in, in the field position game in the NFL. And I know it gets lost in all the, the shuffle of everything else that was going on in that game. But, but this is, this is something that over the course, over the long haul here, the course of the long season, it's something that's really going to help the Packers. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And where you pointed that out very astutely with the positive yardage that he got, there was also the fair catch that I thought there was so much traffic and so much debris around him in yet more made it look simple. Uh, those that, that shows you how natural he is at this spot. It's not a position for everybody. They don't, they don't list punt returns and kickoff returners on a depth chart for no reason. It's because somebody has to hold that down. And I think more much like smack is showing a kicker is showing what it means to have a guy that can handle those duties. The other thing I absolutely loved about the smack kick is again, it, I think honestly, Mason could make some money going around the NFL, giving these tutorials to NFL head coaches. There's no point in trying to ice kickers, especially on long distance kicks, if you're going to do it immediately before they snap the ball.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Because Mason said it back in 2016 in Dallas. If you do that, you are literally giving him a free shot off the tee box. So all the humidity, all the heat, all the issues dealing with the stadium you are unfamiliar with, Trace Mack, who played at Florida, gets that first swing in, makes the adjustment, and then makes that next kick. If you have the mindset to be able to handle the mental warfare of that, physically, it's an advantage for you. And I'll be honest, man, for Green Bay struggling the way it did, especially protecting the football, yeah, you can say, okay, well, the game changes in the second half, but once the Packers got up 17-7, I'm not saying it felt insurmountable, but that was a really tough climb then for Tampa because it took Daniels out of what he was doing well in intervals, other than the takeaways, other than the interceptions. And, uh, yeah, I just, I felt like that, that changed the complexion of the game.
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Speaker 1: I think we're seeing, and it's not just because of what happened on Sunday, but, but elsewhere in the NFL, when it comes to this, you know, the timeout to ice the kicker, um, you have to call the timeout much sooner and just say, okay, I'm going to let the kicker, if you want to try to ice him, let him think about it longer. Don't, don't wait until right before the snap when he, when he gets, when he gets the practice kick. There's, uh, there's just no sense in that you're actually, it's, it's actually an advantage. Um, If you want to make them think about it for the extra two minutes or whatever during the timeout, then as soon as they come out of the huddle to start lining up, then pop the timeout and have them reset everything. So work to Green Bay's advantage there. Other stuff to talk about with what's going on in the NFC North. There's an NFC North opponent coming up this week for the Packers, but first we're going to pay some bills. So let's hear a word from our sponsors. Sirius XM NFL Radio delivers hard-hitting analysis and up-to-the-minute NFL news that true football fanatics need 24-7, 365. Did you know Lambeau Field is just one of our state's many wonders? Start making unforgettable memories on your next vacation. Discover Granddad Bluff and more at TravelWisconsin.com slash wonders. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. All right, Wes, the NFC North right now. The Minnesota Vikings are 4-0. despite not scoring a touchdown in two of their four victories, which from what I understand. is something that hasn't happened. A team has not been 4-0 with zero touchdowns in two of the victories for like 90 years or something like that in the history of the NFL. The Chicago Bears, this week's opponent, and we'll talk about them more on our next show, but they are 3-1 and they'll be coming to Green Bay with backup quarterback Tyson Bajent. Allegedly? Bears have had, yeah, allegedly. The Bears have had backup quarterbacks win their last two games, Case Keenum against the Eagles and Bajent against the Jets. And then the Lions and the Packers are tied at 2-2, bringing up the rear in the NFC North. Tough one for the Lions. They kind of ran into the hornet's nest, so to speak, with Carolina hosting Sunday Night Football for the first time in I mean, it was, I think it was 11 years. Yeah. First time since 2015, which is when Cam Newton was the MVP and, and they went on to the Superbowl. Um, and, uh, just a lot of issues right now with, uh, with Detroit's defense, um, holding back, holding back the lions. Their defense is the biggest reason they are two and two. Um, and the Minnesota Vikings defense is clearly the biggest reason they are four and O and on top of the division. And they have the win over the bears in the head to head. which is the difference in the division race right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating to watch. You and I, we discussed it last Thursday. This was a great slate of games. I mean, I think Kansas City and Vegas lived up to the hype too, right? And then, you know, Clint Kubiak kind of laying down the gauntlet there and creating the fodder of saying we think we can beat them. I actually like that mentality. I think they have nothing to lose. They're the Chiefs. You're the Raiders, the modern-day Raiders. I actually like the bravado there a little bit. I don't think he should get slammed for it. But the Rams beat the Eagles. There's so many different things that have happened throughout the league this week.
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Speaker 1: Rams came back from a double-digit deficit in the fourth quarter on the road in Philly to win that game. And as a lot of people said, the Rams were on the verge of dropping to 1-3, and just when they were on the verge of dropping to 1-3... they proved to everybody why they are being talked about as a Superbowl contender.
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Speaker 2: And they picked themselves up where they didn't pick themselves up against Denver. Right. And the way they finished that game, the Patriots, uh, doing the improbable of beating the bills, which I think is an important lesson, uh, as the Chicago bears get ready to come into Lambeau field as a favorite first time, they're going to be a favorite here in 20 years, uh, coming to Lambeau. So the, the biggest thing that I took away from it, uh, I was, I finished watching the lions game with my dad, um, And I said to him, I'm like, there's something happening here with Detroit that I think is bad. Like I, they, they still have all the parts, right? Like offensively, their stars are still their stars.
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Speaker 1: Offensively, they're still a very scary team in my opinion, but there is something wrong on defense that, that is really, really holding this team back.
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Speaker 2: And it just feels like it goes beyond just, just personnel, in my opinion, just watching outside, looking in and, you know, For Carolina, there was so much hype in that game. Bryce Young played exceptional. I mean, he was terrific, and obviously McMillan had a monster game against that secondary.
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Speaker 1: He was big time. We're going to see him at Lambeau Field at the end of this month.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously the Packers are going to get Detroit here soon, too. Seeing what the Lions are going to look like and how they bounce back from this is going to be important because I do feel like they're at a tipping point. It's going to be fascinating to watch how Dan Campbell rallies the guys because for so long, as we talked about going back to even his first year when it was just let's get as many wins as we can. Let's establish an identity. Let's have something we can point to and then getting to a winning season and getting to the playoffs. And they get to the NFC Championship game and it still feels two and a half years later that that air is not yet out of the balloon yet. It's just been the slow leak. Yeah. But the Bears, this is going to be a big one. They made the decision. I don't really understand the whole mindset with the Bajan and Keenum both starting because they said Keenum wasn't going to start, so then Johnson starts, whatever. But the fact is that I'm fascinated to see how, because Bajan wasn't terrific in this game against the Jets. He had plenty of problems. Kyle Menungai is the guy that's sort of like, push them forward, then he ends up with a thumb injury. He's allegedly going to be okay. But I mean, the Bears are a good football team. There is so much about them that they can beat you in so many different ways, which over the course of a 17-game regular season and into the playoffs, you need to be able to win in different components, especially when you don't have your franchise number one overall pick quarterback. But I think I'm just curious how much bravado, swagger that they're going to come into Lambeau with because... you know, pride comes from before the fall sometimes. So, um, fascinated to see how they handle this thing. Whereas Green Bay, um, they're two and two and they have a lot to improve on. Yeah. Um, but they are back home now and they don't want to lose back to back at Lambeau. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is that I feel like, you know, with the Bears dealing with the backup quarterback and what's going on, what's been most impressive about them, I agree, um, is that They've been able to lean on different parts of their game at different times. Sometimes it's the running game that takes over for them. Sometimes it's their defense that rises up in a big moment. Or one of their backup quarterbacks will make a big play at a big time. So they've been able to win that way, and they just came up a little bit short against Minnesota. Quite frankly, they fumble the ball inside the five-yard line. They get a field goal blocked. They had their opportunities to win the game against Minnesota and feeling like they should be 4-0 with the Vikings, you know, I guess we keep waiting to see, like, is this what their offense is going to be? And is this just going to catch up with them eventually? Or are Kyler Murray and company going to figure it out? They didn't have Justin Jefferson in this last game, so you can't discount that. But still, that's only one player. So you just wonder what is going to happen with Minnesota offensively with, I mean, Kevin O'Connell is a great offensive coach, not just a great head coach, but a heck of an offensive mind. So there's There's just a lot to watch there. And then with the Lions, trust me, I am the last person who's going to write a team off after four weeks of a season because there is a ton of football left to play. But when you were talking about the Lions and Dan Campbell, what flashed into my mind was after the Lions blew the 17-point lead in the NFC Championship to the 49ers, when they were on the road in San Francisco and they were in complete control of that game and they didn't finish it out and didn't go to the super bowl. And Dan Campbell said at the podium afterwards, we don't know, this might've been our only shot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, and here we are a couple of years later, two and a half seasons later or whatever it is. And you're sort of wondering like, wow, was, you know, was Campbell right? I mean, was, was that the best shot they were really going to get? Um, and again, It's only four weeks in. They're 2-2, just like the Packers. This division is wide open with nobody below. 500 here heading into mid-October. It's always a fascinating division because we know so much about these teams. The Packers play them twice a year, sometimes three times a year. Um, and, uh, it's, uh, um, to me, there is so much intrigue in the NFC North right now with everything that's going on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I love Campbell. I always have, uh, even when he was interviewing here, I really like him. I like what he stands for. I still have always felt like that was the wrong messaging, whether you did bounce back or not. I don't feel like that was the right messaging coming out of that game. It was an emotional response. Um, just out of curiosity, did you catch the, uh, snap, like total snaps played between bears and jets? Did you catch that? discrepancy at all in terms of their offensive snaps in that game.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: The Bears ran 93 offensive plays to the New York Jets' 32. 32? Bears had the ball for over 42 minutes.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have ever heard of an NFL team only having 32 offensive snaps.
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Speaker 2: To 93 offensive snaps.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just long drive after long drive after long drive after long drive.
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Speaker 1: That is a long day for your football team. Yeah, that game, I mean, I saw that the Jets... got a touchdown late with like a big pass play or, or whatever. But I think, I think it was up, it was up until that long touchdown late in the fourth quarter that the Jets didn't even have a hundred yards of total offense until, until that play. So, all right, well, we got lots more to talk about with the Bears on our next show, previewing the big game at Lambeau Field on Sunday in the NFC North, but we're going to call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted for now. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers.com. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in.
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Speaker 2: We will.
Speaker 1: Hi everybody, welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers.com. I am Mike Spofford, joined, as always, by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from the Pottawatomie Sportsbook studio inside the walls of Lambeau Field to review, Wes, a 17-14 Green Bay Packers victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Raymond James Stadium down in Tampa. And unfortunately, the discussion of this game comes with how costly this victory was for Green Bay because the defense has lost one of its top playmakers for the rest of the season in linebacker Edgerin Cooper to an Achilles injury. This was another tough one.
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Speaker 2: It was a big one. And I was sitting there, you were working on Insider Inbox, and I was kind of going through some of the comments on Twitter and kind of thinking through my own sort of membrane a little bit about the type of player that Cooper is and the role that he'd had on this team this season. And it's difficult to put into words exactly, I think, what he meant in terms of the totality of this football team and what we've seen from him the past two years. One of the top young playmakers in the National Football League, but even more than that, he was such a pivotal part of what Green Bay was doing without Micah Parsons. And when you break it all down, it wasn't just the fact that he had interception in that game, which was spectacular. It wasn't the fact that he was in the backfield quite a bit, registered a sack of Jalen Daniels in that game early on, and was leading the Packers with nine tackles, finished as the leading tackler with nine tackles, despite not playing the last, what, almost 25 minutes of regulation. You add up all that stuff, but It's just seeing him come into his own as an athlete, as a linebacker, as just a playmaker. And the situation in which it went down, because I, for whatever reason, the play was kind of facing us a little bit. So I watched Edrin from the moment that everything developed. In the second that he looked back when he went down with the non-contact, I'm like, oh, shoot, it's an Achilles. Yeah. It's just, they always look the same.
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Speaker 1: That's the, yeah, that's the reaction. You look behind you, you look behind you because when that Achilles pops, it feels like somebody stepped on you or somebody kicked you, you know, and he turns around behind and he's all by himself laying on the ground. And, and yeah, I mean, we all had the same reaction in the press box, sort of, it was, and it turned out to be what, what we feared. And just another challenge that's getting thrown at the Packers and at the Packers defense, which is still waiting for Micah Parsons to come back. We have been informed that he is not going to return to practice this week. So still waiting on kind of, I guess you'd say, a week-to-week basis at this point as to when Parsons is going to get back on the practice field. But kudos to Jonathan Gannon, the Packers defensive coordinator, because the way this game ended, and we'll talk about how the offense should have put the game away, but essentially it came down to a final possession. The Packers are up by three. The Buccaneers have driven. They've actually either gotten to or crossed midfield, and Gannon suddenly starts dialing up Evan Williams on the blitz. Now what's interesting to me about this is that were those going to be blitz calls for Edger and Cooper, and Jonathan Gannon has to think, okay, I don't have Edger and Cooper on the field, so who's the guy that I want to send on the blitz? And Jonathan Gannon is very much, and he said it at the podium himself, Players, not plays. He's not thinking about blitzes to dial up. He's thinking about what players do I want to go after the quarterback. So we'll hear from him later today in a little bit, and I'm sure he'll address this, everything going on with Cooper and then with Williams. But that became the Evan Williams show to close out the game. And kudos to the young safety because he really came through.
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Speaker 2: And before I heap praise on Evan Williams, because he's just been exceptional, you know, throughout the stretch here early in the season with Green Bay, you're seeing him take that jump. What I absolutely loved about Jonathan Gannon, it's not just players over plays. It's trusting those players, right? He was, he was making sure he wanted to win with his guys. And if Jalen Daniels, an undrafted rookie out of Kansas beat him, it is what it is. It's his scheme. It's his looks first down. It's, You know, Isaiah McDuffie's coming, nearly brings him down. Evan finishes the job on second down. Third down, he gets off a little bit of a check down. But on fourth down, here comes Evan Williams again. So to answer your question, if Edrin Cooper would have been involved, I'm guessing he was going to be involved in at least one of those based on how that was all drawn up.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps multiple.
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Speaker 2: But the fact is, is that I want to steal this phrase from Aaron Nagler. He was the one that I believe said it on X. Evan Williams had his Leroy Butler type game. He was impactful at the line of scrimmage. He was impactful in the second level. And he was impactful at his natural free safety position with the interception in the first quarter. This guy did it all. And when it came down to crunch time, when you're looking for your star players to shine, they don't have Edren Cooper. They don't have Micah Parsons. That doesn't mean it always has to be another pass rusher or linebacker. In this particular case, it was a safety. And he came through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a couple other things I'll add to that. As you alluded to, prior to the final possession of the game, Evan Williams had already had a very strong game. He had the interception early on, which set up Green Bay's first touchdown drive. He had a great pass breakup on a ball over the middle to Kate Otten that was going to get a first down for the Buccaneers across midfield heading into scoring territory. He was all over that and swatted that pass down. So he had already made... impactful plays before the final sequence. And the other thing I'll say, you mentioned McDuffie comes on first down, forces the incompletion. Williams gets the sack on second down. So now it's third and 16, if I'm remembering the numbers correctly. Williams blitzes again. The Buccaneers have a great call against the blitz. They're setting up a screen to the right side, and that is exactly the type of play you want to beat the blitz. So credit to the entire Green Bay defense for playing that screen well enough that it didn't rupture. They only got five yards, and it's set up fourth and 11. And even if they get 10 yards, and you're looking at fourth and five or fourth and six, it's a completely different situation than fourth and 11. The defense played that screen really well, held it to a minimal gain, kept it at fourth and long, and then Williams comes again on fourth down and is.
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Speaker 1: Hanging on to Jalen Daniels' leg and not letting him get away, and all he can do is try the desperation pass. So just a great sequence by the defense to finish out a victory to get the Packers to 2-2. The frustrating part of this game, though, is it shouldn't have come down to that last possession, because in the fourth quarter, the Packers had two drives offensively with the opportunity to score, to bulge their lead to double digits, and and the fumble by Caleb Johnson inside the five-yard line, and then after the defense gets the stop back there and forces the Buccaneers to punt from the back of the end zone, the offense is right back in scoring territory, and then Jordan Love makes really his only mistake of the entire game. He played a really, really good game, makes the one mistake, throws the interception in the red zone that then gives the Buccaneers that one last chance, only down by three points, and that's what led to so much of the frustration and the disappointment and the comments from Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love after the game. Not only everybody was upset about Cooper's injury, but they know that this game should not have finished 17-14. The offense should have been able to put the game away, made it much easier on the defense. That didn't happen, and this Packers offense has got to figure out how to clean up its act and take advantage of those chances.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just trying to get everything into alignment, right? Speaking specifically on that interception, I mean, you tip your cap to Jacob Parrish. I mean, when they talk about reading your keys, you know, we hear that phrase all the time in the locker room. He did that. He trusted his rules. He came over from the far perimeter safety spot to range over and pick off that pass. It was a major play for the cornerback there. But The Packers, I think what was tough was that was the moment where Jordan Love kind of blinked a little bit, right? The Packers offense blinked. Yes, you had the fumble with Caleb Johnson, but then you also had a fumble earlier with Marshawn Lloyd that got saved by the ball going out of bounds. The offensive line played much better in this game. You know, one quarterback or two quarterback hits allowed no sacks, but there still were some procedural penalties. There was still some holding penalties. It wasn't always clean. The receivers had some drops. Tucker Kraft was lamenting his drop in the end zone after the game. It was a mixture of all these different things that the Packers did enough to win, but they also in many ways left that door open for Tampa Bay to take that game themselves and for the Green Bay to lose it. But I think what you have to feel good about if you're the Packers is you saw growth in the areas you need to see it after the first three games. There were explosive runs. Chris Brooks breaking a 27-yarder in the first quarter. Caleb Johnson getting a 31-yarder later in the game, the two longest carries of the season. Brooks was almost twice as long as the previous long run to that point of 14 yards. You saw guys, the Tucker Craft sneak plays back in the playbook. The Packers converted. They struggled. They went 0-6 on their first six third down attempts, but they converted three fourth downs on the 16-play series. That took nine minutes. That allowed them to get on the scoreboard. The Packers... did things better in this game it wasn't just always about explosive plays they did move the chains a little bit more but they had a little bit more wiggle room based on the opponent and as we'll talk about probably more on Thursday that margin for error is going to get paper thin now yeah when you take on a team like the Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Bears yeah absolutely I mean the There were positives on the offensive side of the football, particularly with the offensive line play. Lakin Tomlinson, newly signed, stepped in to play left guard. Kevin Zeitler wasn't quite ready yet after just three practices. Not surprising in that regard because, as we talked about last week, he hadn't had training camp. He hadn't had an offseason being with the team and being out there on the football field. So Travis Glover took over at right guard, which was his first start at that position and his first start as a Packer since The playoff game in Philadelphia two seasons ago, that didn't go so well for him. So props to those guys. And yes, there were flags. Those are the things the Packers are focused on cleaning up. But as much as Jordan Love had been hit in the first three weeks of the season, the fact that he was not sacked was only hit twice in this game. It was a step forward for the offensive line. And you mentioned the explosive runs. This was a tough Tampa Bay run defense, as we talked about last week. And no, other than those two explosive runs, the Packers did not do much on the ground. But when you can bust a couple of runs like that, that gives you something to build on moving forward. And we'll see now if maybe week two here for Kevin Zeitler, if he ends up stepping in at right guard, and then we'll see where Aaron Banks is. But Tomlinson certainly on short notice, so to speak, having just arrived with the team on Monday. proved to be an upgrade with where the Packers were at the guard position. So there are things to build on here, but there are also just sort of these black marks, these black eyes, so to speak, on that performance by the offense that, as you said, continuing to play like this offensively against the opponents that are coming up, you're not going to be able to win these games that way. So that's what needs to be the focus moving forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the other thing I want to mention, too, it really was a game of the young son hero. Lakin Tomlinson on six days employment, really, with the Green Bay Packers, placed 60 offensive snaps at left guard.
00:12:22
Speaker 1: In the 90-degree heat and humidity of Tampa, Florida.
00:12:25
Speaker 2: Yep, and as he even said, he's like, all that stuff, he didn't think about it. He thought about his assignment. He thought about what he had to do. His focus that entire game, as he said... was all about Sean Ryan. I even asked him afterwards about the Tucker Craft sneak plays. Like, I didn't know, bro. I was just going for what was in front of me the entire time. And it allowed him to succeed. The 27-yard run was Tomlinson and another unsung hero in Mark Redman that were sealing that gap to open up that second level for Chris Brooks that we haven't really seen yet this season as Green Bay tries to get some of those more explosive runs together. I absolutely love the fact that Green Bay started in three personnel. I made a note of this in Insider Inbox, or one of the stories that I wrote. 110 offensive snaps played by the tight end group. It wasn't just Tucker Kraft. It was Jonu Smith being out there, and it was Redmond. 47% of the offensive snaps, Redmond was playing in this game. This was a guy that Green Bay traded for at the end of training camp because they felt like they needed that blocking tight end in this offense. And I think you've seen him week after week show the confidence, show how much he's learned in this scheme to put himself in a position to contribute. And then the last thing I'll mention too, you tip your cap to Travis Glover because the last time he was on the field for Green Bay was over a year and a half ago. It was a tough performance against Philadelphia in the playoff game. He ends up having a shoulder injury that wipes him out the entire 2025 season. Remember, you and I were having conversations, not really sure what was going to happen because it was early in training camp. Are the Packers going to keep him around? He's a six-round pick from a year ago. Are you going to injury settle him? No, Green Bay kept him in the fold. He was here pretty much all season. And then next thing you know, as Green Bay is dealing with all these injuries and all these different issues on the offensive line right now, it's Travis Culver that steps in, I thought, did a very commendable job of settling in in a spot where Green Bay's had a lot of flux.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned everything that he went through last year with the injury situation and his health. And hey, if the Packers are going to move forward here with Tomlinson at left guard and Zeitler at right guard and trying to figure out what's up with Aaron Banks' health, You found a depth piece here at guard who can be a next man up if something happens here. So absolutely hats off to Glover in that regard. We've talked defense and offense. I want to throw in special teams as well. Trace Mack, 58-yard field goal. It looked to me, I didn't have a chance to confirm with you in the press box, it looked to me like the kick When Bowles called the timeout at the end of the first half that he missed, it missed to the right. So for him to come back, you know, drilled it right down the middle, big three points, obviously gave the Packers the lead at halftime. And then when the final margin is three points, obviously it looks, it looks even bigger. So hats off to smack for another, another clutch kick, which was the three points that came after Edger and Cooper's interception there late in the first half, when it looked like the Buccaneers might be driving down to take the lead before halftime. And the other one I want to throw out, which was something I mentioned to you in the press box when it happened, is Sky Moore on the punt returns. Now there wasn't the explosive return, there wasn't the big highlight, but there was one punt in particular, kind of a low wobbler from Tampa Bay, and Sky Moore ran up, like full speed, ran up, caught the punt, made a couple moves, and got some yardage. And I leaned over to you in the press box at the time and I said, that is exactly the kind of move from a punt returner that we haven't seen in Green Bay for so long. Most of the time it's been play it safe, get away from the ball, and then you lose a bunch of yardage on the roll. When you combine, Cam Acord gave us that whole, he did that study about when punts bounce, it's an average of like 14 yards of field position. So you combine Cam Acord's average of 14 yards with, I believe it was eight yards that Moore got on that return.
00:16:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:16:14
Speaker 1: 22 yards of field position by him making that play. I mean, you can't, you can't overstate how important that kind of stuff is in, in the field position game in the NFL. And I know it gets lost in all the, the shuffle of everything else that was going on in that game. But, but this is, this is something that over the course, over the long haul here, the course of the long season, it's something that's really going to help the Packers. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And where you pointed that out very astutely with the positive yardage that he got, there was also the fair catch that I thought there was so much traffic and so much debris around him in yet more made it look simple. Uh, those that, that shows you how natural he is at this spot. It's not a position for everybody. They don't, they don't list punt returns and kickoff returners on a depth chart for no reason. It's because somebody has to hold that down. And I think more much like smack is showing a kicker is showing what it means to have a guy that can handle those duties. The other thing I absolutely loved about the smack kick is again, it, I think honestly, Mason could make some money going around the NFL, giving these tutorials to NFL head coaches. There's no point in trying to ice kickers, especially on long distance kicks, if you're going to do it immediately before they snap the ball.
00:17:29
Speaker 1: Right.
00:17:29
Speaker 2: Because Mason said it back in 2016 in Dallas. If you do that, you are literally giving him a free shot off the tee box. So all the humidity, all the heat, all the issues dealing with the stadium you are unfamiliar with, Trace Mack, who played at Florida, gets that first swing in, makes the adjustment, and then makes that next kick. If you have the mindset to be able to handle the mental warfare of that, physically, it's an advantage for you. And I'll be honest, man, for Green Bay struggling the way it did, especially protecting the football, yeah, you can say, okay, well, the game changes in the second half, but once the Packers got up 17-7, I'm not saying it felt insurmountable, but that was a really tough climb then for Tampa because it took Daniels out of what he was doing well in intervals, other than the takeaways, other than the interceptions. And, uh, yeah, I just, I felt like that, that changed the complexion of the game.
00:18:26
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing, and it's not just because of what happened on Sunday, but, but elsewhere in the NFL, when it comes to this, you know, the timeout to ice the kicker, um, you have to call the timeout much sooner and just say, okay, I'm going to let the kicker, if you want to try to ice him, let him think about it longer. Don't, don't wait until right before the snap when he, when he gets, when he gets the practice kick. There's, uh, there's just no sense in that you're actually, it's, it's actually an advantage. Um, If you want to make them think about it for the extra two minutes or whatever during the timeout, then as soon as they come out of the huddle to start lining up, then pop the timeout and have them reset everything. So work to Green Bay's advantage there. Other stuff to talk about with what's going on in the NFC North. There's an NFC North opponent coming up this week for the Packers, but first we're going to pay some bills. So let's hear a word from our sponsors. Sirius XM NFL Radio delivers hard-hitting analysis and up-to-the-minute NFL news that true football fanatics need 24-7, 365. Did you know Lambeau Field is just one of our state's many wonders? Start making unforgettable memories on your next vacation. Discover Granddad Bluff and more at TravelWisconsin.com slash wonders. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. All right, Wes, the NFC North right now. The Minnesota Vikings are 4-0. despite not scoring a touchdown in two of their four victories, which from what I understand. is something that hasn't happened. A team has not been 4-0 with zero touchdowns in two of the victories for like 90 years or something like that in the history of the NFL. The Chicago Bears, this week's opponent, and we'll talk about them more on our next show, but they are 3-1 and they'll be coming to Green Bay with backup quarterback Tyson Bajent. Allegedly? Bears have had, yeah, allegedly. The Bears have had backup quarterbacks win their last two games, Case Keenum against the Eagles and Bajent against the Jets. And then the Lions and the Packers are tied at 2-2, bringing up the rear in the NFC North. Tough one for the Lions. They kind of ran into the hornet's nest, so to speak, with Carolina hosting Sunday Night Football for the first time in I mean, it was, I think it was 11 years. Yeah. First time since 2015, which is when Cam Newton was the MVP and, and they went on to the Superbowl. Um, and, uh, just a lot of issues right now with, uh, with Detroit's defense, um, holding back, holding back the lions. Their defense is the biggest reason they are two and two. Um, and the Minnesota Vikings defense is clearly the biggest reason they are four and O and on top of the division. And they have the win over the bears in the head to head. which is the difference in the division race right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating to watch. You and I, we discussed it last Thursday. This was a great slate of games. I mean, I think Kansas City and Vegas lived up to the hype too, right? And then, you know, Clint Kubiak kind of laying down the gauntlet there and creating the fodder of saying we think we can beat them. I actually like that mentality. I think they have nothing to lose. They're the Chiefs. You're the Raiders, the modern-day Raiders. I actually like the bravado there a little bit. I don't think he should get slammed for it. But the Rams beat the Eagles. There's so many different things that have happened throughout the league this week.
00:21:41
Speaker 1: Rams came back from a double-digit deficit in the fourth quarter on the road in Philly to win that game. And as a lot of people said, the Rams were on the verge of dropping to 1-3, and just when they were on the verge of dropping to 1-3... they proved to everybody why they are being talked about as a Superbowl contender.
00:22:00
Speaker 2: And they picked themselves up where they didn't pick themselves up against Denver. Right. And the way they finished that game, the Patriots, uh, doing the improbable of beating the bills, which I think is an important lesson, uh, as the Chicago bears get ready to come into Lambeau field as a favorite first time, they're going to be a favorite here in 20 years, uh, coming to Lambeau. So the, the biggest thing that I took away from it, uh, I was, I finished watching the lions game with my dad, um, And I said to him, I'm like, there's something happening here with Detroit that I think is bad. Like I, they, they still have all the parts, right? Like offensively, their stars are still their stars.
00:22:40
Speaker 1: Offensively, they're still a very scary team in my opinion, but there is something wrong on defense that, that is really, really holding this team back.
00:22:47
Speaker 2: And it just feels like it goes beyond just, just personnel, in my opinion, just watching outside, looking in and, you know, For Carolina, there was so much hype in that game. Bryce Young played exceptional. I mean, he was terrific, and obviously McMillan had a monster game against that secondary.
00:23:03
Speaker 1: He was big time. We're going to see him at Lambeau Field at the end of this month.
00:23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously the Packers are going to get Detroit here soon, too. Seeing what the Lions are going to look like and how they bounce back from this is going to be important because I do feel like they're at a tipping point. It's going to be fascinating to watch how Dan Campbell rallies the guys because for so long, as we talked about going back to even his first year when it was just let's get as many wins as we can. Let's establish an identity. Let's have something we can point to and then getting to a winning season and getting to the playoffs. And they get to the NFC Championship game and it still feels two and a half years later that that air is not yet out of the balloon yet. It's just been the slow leak. Yeah. But the Bears, this is going to be a big one. They made the decision. I don't really understand the whole mindset with the Bajan and Keenum both starting because they said Keenum wasn't going to start, so then Johnson starts, whatever. But the fact is that I'm fascinated to see how, because Bajan wasn't terrific in this game against the Jets. He had plenty of problems. Kyle Menungai is the guy that's sort of like, push them forward, then he ends up with a thumb injury. He's allegedly going to be okay. But I mean, the Bears are a good football team. There is so much about them that they can beat you in so many different ways, which over the course of a 17-game regular season and into the playoffs, you need to be able to win in different components, especially when you don't have your franchise number one overall pick quarterback. But I think I'm just curious how much bravado, swagger that they're going to come into Lambeau with because... you know, pride comes from before the fall sometimes. So, um, fascinated to see how they handle this thing. Whereas Green Bay, um, they're two and two and they have a lot to improve on. Yeah. Um, but they are back home now and they don't want to lose back to back at Lambeau. Yeah.
00:24:55
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is that I feel like, you know, with the Bears dealing with the backup quarterback and what's going on, what's been most impressive about them, I agree, um, is that They've been able to lean on different parts of their game at different times. Sometimes it's the running game that takes over for them. Sometimes it's their defense that rises up in a big moment. Or one of their backup quarterbacks will make a big play at a big time. So they've been able to win that way, and they just came up a little bit short against Minnesota. Quite frankly, they fumble the ball inside the five-yard line. They get a field goal blocked. They had their opportunities to win the game against Minnesota and feeling like they should be 4-0 with the Vikings, you know, I guess we keep waiting to see, like, is this what their offense is going to be? And is this just going to catch up with them eventually? Or are Kyler Murray and company going to figure it out? They didn't have Justin Jefferson in this last game, so you can't discount that. But still, that's only one player. So you just wonder what is going to happen with Minnesota offensively with, I mean, Kevin O'Connell is a great offensive coach, not just a great head coach, but a heck of an offensive mind. So there's There's just a lot to watch there. And then with the Lions, trust me, I am the last person who's going to write a team off after four weeks of a season because there is a ton of football left to play. But when you were talking about the Lions and Dan Campbell, what flashed into my mind was after the Lions blew the 17-point lead in the NFC Championship to the 49ers, when they were on the road in San Francisco and they were in complete control of that game and they didn't finish it out and didn't go to the super bowl. And Dan Campbell said at the podium afterwards, we don't know, this might've been our only shot.
00:26:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:26:39
Speaker 1: You know, and here we are a couple of years later, two and a half seasons later or whatever it is. And you're sort of wondering like, wow, was, you know, was Campbell right? I mean, was, was that the best shot they were really going to get? Um, and again, It's only four weeks in. They're 2-2, just like the Packers. This division is wide open with nobody below. 500 here heading into mid-October. It's always a fascinating division because we know so much about these teams. The Packers play them twice a year, sometimes three times a year. Um, and, uh, it's, uh, um, to me, there is so much intrigue in the NFC North right now with everything that's going on.
00:27:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I love Campbell. I always have, uh, even when he was interviewing here, I really like him. I like what he stands for. I still have always felt like that was the wrong messaging, whether you did bounce back or not. I don't feel like that was the right messaging coming out of that game. It was an emotional response. Um, just out of curiosity, did you catch the, uh, snap, like total snaps played between bears and jets? Did you catch that? discrepancy at all in terms of their offensive snaps in that game.
00:27:42
Speaker 1: No.
00:27:43
Speaker 2: The Bears ran 93 offensive plays to the New York Jets' 32. 32? Bears had the ball for over 42 minutes.
00:27:52
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have ever heard of an NFL team only having 32 offensive snaps.
00:27:58
Speaker 2: To 93 offensive snaps.
00:27:59
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:27:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just long drive after long drive after long drive after long drive.
00:28:04
Speaker 1: That is a long day for your football team. Yeah, that game, I mean, I saw that the Jets... got a touchdown late with like a big pass play or, or whatever. But I think, I think it was up, it was up until that long touchdown late in the fourth quarter that the Jets didn't even have a hundred yards of total offense until, until that play. So, all right, well, we got lots more to talk about with the Bears on our next show, previewing the big game at Lambeau Field on Sunday in the NFC North, but we're going to call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted for now. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers.com. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: We will.
