Episode 4: NRLW player Bridget Hoy

Matt Attard: I did get dropped back to reserve grade. It was pretty tough, was going home, coming to training, going home, coming to training and just sort of in my own bubble. Being away from that is quite challenging. We have quite a young team as well. So for some of those girls, it's the first time being away from family, first time living out of home. I feel as well that if the women aren't afforded. that chance to be able to train full-time and not have to worry about going to work nine to five. They're not able to be the best version of themselves as a player. You don't really get to know someone until you go through either hard times or you have social events together, being real. And at the end of the day, you've got to be playing for your sisters. I think the one goal for me is to leave the jersey in a better spot from where I started. And then by round one, I really think after a good 14 weeks, we'll be ready to go. Welcome to Pack Mentality. This is the Canterbury Banks Down Bulldogs podcast where we chat footy mindset and life inside the pack. I'm your host, Matt Attard, my co-host today, Aaron Eastgate, and we're joined by the lovely Bridget Hoy from the Bulldogs NRLW. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. How are you? Very good. Very good. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Absolute pleasure. ⁓ So tell us about your morning. You just told us you're up at 5am. What were you up to? Yeah. So I coach at a gym in Newtown. So we got up early this morning, we had a community session. So out in the field today, something different. ⁓ Early wake up for a Saturday morning, but I love my job. Awesome, that's great. So one thing we do here at Pack Mentality is obviously talk about mental health and that's a big focus for us. So we ask this to every guest that comes on and the idea behind the Pack Mentality wording is that you don't do things alone, you you've got a pack behind you, you've got mates and family and a network. When things do get tough for you personally, who do you turn to and who have you got inside your pack that helps you out? I think I've got a pretty good social circle now. Last year I actually really struggled with my mental health. I definitely didn't talk about it either. Last year I moved from the Gold Coast to Sydney to play for the Bulldogs. So I did move to a new city. I was living by myself as well, was at a new club, a new city. moved away from friends, family, had just gone through a breakup as well. So it was actually quite tough on me. And I didn't realise the importance of having a strong social circle around me. I was relying quite heavily on my parents. was FaceTiming them almost every second night to the point my dad literally told me, don't have to keep FaceTiming us. Like, I suppose you really did need to. Yeah, I did. It's just because, you know, it was my first proper year in NRLW. and it was quite challenging, ⁓ it's quite confronting, it's difficult. Obviously loved every aspect of it, but mental health with sport has its highs and lows, so it's really important to have your people. ⁓ Since then, have spoken to a lot of different people. I actually was really grateful to meet the Warriors sports psychologists at one of our games and we spoke a lot one day and we keep in touch. And then from there, I've moved in to a new place in Coogee with two of my best mates and I'm so grateful to live with them they're like my sisters I started working at a gym so I've got my community there ⁓ and just over time our teams gotten quite close outside of footy as well so I do hang out with quite a few of the girls. That's amazing yeah thanks for sharing that because that's you know obviously a big thing to come on something like this to show or podcast and you know be brave enough to admit that so yeah you obviously were up in Queensland and you know yeah great career up there and lots of try scored and that kind of thing and the dogs kind of poached you and As you said, kind of really difficult, but you're in a much better spot now. Yes, yes, I am. And how have you found the club to be the Bulldogs? The club's great. You know, we always talk about club first, team second, individual third. And I think that is true in the club. You know, we we are building a foundation. Last year, we were in an awkward side, so it was quite challenging for us. We only had a seven week preseason. A lot of us girls relocated as well. So it's the first time meeting each other. So we had to kind of build a connection quite quickly within pre-season and then over sort of the season as well we've started to build from there and then sort of in the off-season a lot of us girls still keep in touch and hang out and everything so ⁓ it's been really good and I think we're just continuously building from there. We've sort of started like our non-compulsory sessions and then our monthly compulsory sessions at the moment and you can tell the dynamic at the moment you know you come into the sheds at the start of our sessions the girls it's it's a lot louder, everyone's talking, they're talking about their social lives or things that happened that we know about each other now rather than just small talk of, oh, when did you move here? So it's quite genuine connections I won't ask that question then, I won't ask when you moved here. Who in the club, in the women's team would you most like to room with? ⁓ Look, Andy and I get along pretty well. We're quite similar in that aspect. ⁓ Andy is someone who is quiet, but she kind of leads from the front by her actions. ⁓ know, Andy's really easy to get along with. We have a very similar background with sport and we just get along really well personality wise, so probably Andy. Awesome. Yeah, and you worked your way through the Queensland Pathway Systems. I did. Made your NRLW debut. How did you find it? challenges along the way there where you had to transition from pathways kind of and juniors into that professional setting of the NRLW? Yeah so my story was quite short and sharp. I only started playing rugby league I think in like 2022 or whatever it was. I had a background growing up doing track and field. ⁓ I think it makes me the athlete I am today. It's a very individualized sport so I'm quite tough on my performance because back then it's you versus you. I then after school started playing a lot of Oztag I had friends who played rugby league in my Oztag team and they always tried to get me to jump ship Finally when I did jump ship I went across played for Tweed Sea Girls in the Queensland comp was very fortunate to meet the likes of Rona Peters You know an icon of the game. She kind of taught me a lot of my craft She boosted a lot of confidence within me My first couple years were learning curves year I had a major injury at a shoulder reconstruction so my first two years I didn't really have much experience and then third year came around I realized the importance of obviously rehab, SNC and making sure I was the strongest that I was. I worked really hard in that offseason to get back working for like a starting spot in that Tweed team and that's where I actually met Ash Quinlan she came and joined our team that year and she was my halfback and we played off each other all year and you know I can't take the credit for all those tries that year a lot of it did come from Ash I just had to put the ball down over the line. ⁓ So yeah very grateful to have met Ash to be honest because she helped me have a really great season and from there I got like identified by the Broncos moved into their pathway system. I was only there for about a couple of weeks then Scott Prince kind of brought me into the squad as sort of a training trial. They had quite a few injuries just off the back of Orange especially in their backs and he brought me in for a couple weeks to see how I'd go. Within probably my first week there he said, hey, like we've got a trial game in two weeks, you'll be playing ⁓ at Suncorp, which was, you know, that's a big moment for me thinking I was like, ⁓ I'll play like 10 minutes or I'll come on. No, I played two of the thirds. So we played thirds for that game. ⁓ Was very lucky to score a try in that game as well at Suncorp. So that was huge. From there, they offered me a five week contract as an injury replacement player, ⁓ which was really cool. Being in the Broncos system, obviously it's quite a professional club. They're quite established and they've got girls in that squad that, you know, are phenomenal. They're the cream of the crop. ⁓ You know, for example, I had Ali Brigginshaw and Julia Robinson coming down to training hours early to pretty much help me with kick catch. And, ⁓ you know, they're the best of the best and they're still coming down and doing extras before training. and putting in effort, you know, with the new girls coming through. So there are probably two players that I still idolise to this day. Obviously, the reality of that, I was there as an injury replacement. The girls come back from injury and just a salary cap. was what it was. We did speak about my future at Broncos. However, I did have a couple of the clubs chasing me at that point. I was really fortunate to get a phone call from Bulldogs. I never even had considered playing for Bulldogs back then because I was always the Queensland girl. ⁓ And then, you know, I had a meeting back then with Bulldogs and they ended up flying me down the next week and I had a look around the club, I met a lot of people. And to be fair, I was pretty sold on it. ⁓ On the culture, them saying it was the family club, I could just feel that straight away. So I ended up signing with them quite quickly after that, spoke to the Broncos about it. And to be fair, they were so supportive of it. They said the reality of it is you need to just go play footy and you know, where you're happy and so yeah I kind of made the move last year and since then I'm here where I am now so yeah. And it's obviously been a tough journey as you alluded to earlier but let's talk about the positives and that being you know let's go back to your NRLW debut tell us about it what do you remember from it? So my NRLW debut I was playing for the Broncos it was round two and it was in Sydney it was against the Roosters and I was actually on the bench as change for a back, which the reality of that is sometimes you don't make the field. ⁓ So I didn't really know how to approach that game, but at end of the day, I was just grateful, you know, to have the opportunity to be there. ⁓ So we traveled down to Sydney. The girls were so supportive of it. ⁓ And then from there, I managed to get on within the last kind of 12 minutes of the game. So that was my debut, went on the field, played against the Roosters, you know, pretty full on game. I feel those Roosters girls I have played with at Tweed Sea Girls. ⁓ So was pretty cool to play against them. A lot of those girls as well I looked up to ⁓ on the edge there. Obviously I had Jess Serges and Isabel Kelly on the other side. Jess Serges is someone who when I first started playing, you know, so embarrassing, but the first night before my first game of NRW, I just watched Jess Serges highlights. So to play against her in my debut was pretty cool. After that game, you know, lot of those girls I spoke to them, Isabel Kelly, for example, she came up, she knew my name, she gave me a hug and congratulated me on my debut, which is something so little, but it made such an impact and stuck with me ever since. And since then, she's someone I really look up to is like, that was such a small thing for her, but it really left a big mark on someone who's quite new to the game. So I think that's something I take away now, especially with our younger girls coming through just that little 1 % effort. ⁓ I think it really makes difference. like the girls were all obviously nicer than the guys like after the games and things like that. Like someone like Sturgis and even Isabella Kelly, seem to like, quite aggressive on the field. Did you cop that in that first game? you against? Yeah, they are aggressive. ⁓ But that's just the nature of the game. know, that's what makes them the best at, you know, their positions. It's an aggressive sport. If you're not aggressive, I don't think you're playing rugby league well. ⁓ I think the girls are really good at leaving it on the field. You know, we hate each other on the field, but a lot of us are actually like really good friends off the field. Some of my best mates play for other teams. You know, I'll be the first to like, you know, try and put someone on their back even my best mate But you know after the game you leave it on the field ⁓ I think the girls don't really hold grudges around it And a lot of us played together when we were younger or we play reps together or just played outside or in different teams together because there is so much movement in the women's game Remember that so you never know who you're gonna play with in the future Yeah, yeah Well, I suppose we can chat about that a bit in the growth of the game and it's something that we've chatted with the other in our LW you guess about as well. It's obviously changed so much in the past five to 10 years and it seems to be going on an upward trajectory, the women's game. How do you see it going? What do you think of the current state of it and what do you think can be done better? ⁓ At the moment, it is good. Like I think the NRLW have done a decent job at expanding the game not too rapidly. You have a look at some of the other women's sports and it is a little bit diluted. ⁓ You can see that in some of the scores in other sports, but in the NRLW, I think have done a good job of just slowly expanding from there but we are getting to a point now where there are some really strong pathways in some of those NRLW sides or sorry those NRL sides that don't have an NRLW side just yet. ⁓ South for example they have a really strong pathway as well as Penrith and I'm sure there's other clubs as well. ⁓ You know I think everyone's pushing now to have an NRLW side ⁓ so that's really exciting to see. I would like to see some of the big names sort of moving and sort of creating a stronger team within some of those new teams as well, rather than sort of certain teams. But unfortunately, we're girls. We like playing with our friends. if you're getting a chance to play with some of your best mates and it's a good team, you're probably gonna stick around. ⁓ So it is a tricky one from there. But I would definitely like to see the girls move into that full time space. That's the only way we're gonna get better as well, is if we can practice our craft more. We're obviously going to improve from there, but that just takes time. You know, we can't do that overnight and you know, we can piggyback as much as we can off the boys, but the boys started somewhere as well. You talk to some of those old boys and you know, they were working full time as well when they started. and then the game started off. Yeah, it only started off with four NLW teams originally. Exactly. then the pathways have grown and here we are with how many teams we've got? Eight? Twelve. Twelve? Yeah. Yeah. So and that's what? Seventeen teams. There's only, I mean, Southson, Yeah, are two new teams coming in. And do you see it getting to a stage soon where you don't have to work full-time anymore? You can just stick to football full-time? Is that something you would like to do? Is that something you'd like to see sooner rather than later? Yeah, I would like to see that soon. I know a couple of the girls, you know, they are still doing full-time work on top of training this year. We're already talking about training five days a week in the pre-season. I can't imagine and you know, someone training, we're getting there at 3.30, starting at four, finishing at eight o'clock, sometimes 8.30 at night, and then going to work the next day, working a full-time job from that. And you gotta remember, some of these girls are mums. So doing that on top is pretty full-on. The girls make it work because we love sport. We don't go to rugby league seeing that like, we're going to our job. It's our outlet for the day, like we love going there. However, it does sort of need to move into a full-time position. will I think a lot of the clubs are starting to set those pathways up obviously Bulldogs is a great example building that Center of Excellence ⁓ because eventually we're going to have to share space with the boys and if that space isn't available how does it work so I think the Bulldogs have been quite supportive of the girls space because they are projecting that ⁓ so it's really cool to see. Yeah they seem to do really well in the pathways the Bulldogs and they focused a lot on the women's pathways and obviously that's something you need you know the players have to come from somewhere if we're going to have a big and successful NRLW competition. yeah, mean, I feel as well that if... the women are afforded that chance to be able to train full time and not have to worry about going to work nine to five kind of thing. They're not able to be the best version of themselves as a player. You feel the same way? I 100 % agree with you. ⁓ You know, you're only going to get better the more you can put into it. yeah, it will go that direction. It's just only a matter of time. Yep. And every athlete has moments where they doubt themselves, know, professional athletes and what's kind of been the darkest moment for you so far? darkest moment for me? ⁓ It would be last year. There was midway through the year I did get dropped back to reserve grade. ⁓ It was pretty tough. I had some feedback just around getting a bit stronger, ⁓ improving my kick returns, helping with a little bit more size and strength, which was fine. I took that with a grain of salt. I went back to reserve grade and I played some really good games that I was quite happy with. ⁓ like I said, have a very strong support network and was going home, coming to training, going home, coming to training and just sort of in my own bubble. ⁓ From there had sort of really worked a lot in my off season. I was really grateful to have meetings with the likes of like Maddie Hartigan and Fida and talking about how I can improve and how I can be better for the team and they had given me lots of resources in the off season. I was quite fortunate to train. with Luke who's one of the men's backs coach and we went down to the field with some of the young men's halves like Mitch Woods, Alex, Patty they were down there and they were practicing their kicking ⁓ and then I got to go down there and practice my catching off them so they'd practice a lot of cage kicks and then from there we just go down for an hour or two once or sometimes twice a and just practicing our cage kicks ⁓ and I learned a lot off Luke he has an AFL back So just practicing on little one percenters as well and contesting high kicks and things the women's sport definitely can grow on ⁓ and having Adam Hartigan quite close and reporting back as well and giving some feedback. quite lucky that they're consistently trying to make me be better and being in touch with Braden all the time and Braden's always checking in and so it's been really good coming out of that. And ⁓ as the women's game grows do you see that level of professionalism increasing all the time? Yeah 100 % I think all the girls want to be better. We're constantly chasing you know that 1%. I know a lot of us talk about it all the time the girls are so easy to coach because we are sponges. We want to learn. We didn't grow up playing rugby league. We watched it like but the thing is we're still learning so the girls are constantly asking questions. We want to be better. So yeah you're are starting to see a lot of the girls now practice those little one percenters those skills working on our craft you can see it in our group chat we put in you know who's available today to come down we've got one of our skills coaches from the men's team willing to do like a skills session and you know there's always at least 10 of us putting our hands up to go down in our own time you know we're in the offseason putting in that time and effort to be better for our team. Yeah and that's the next thing I was going to ask you is about the team and the culture of the team and how close you girls are and obviously it's a new squad and first time in the NRLW for the Bulldogs last season heading into the second year now. How important is that team culture and connection and what's it like at the Bulldogs? It's so important. ⁓ Obviously, like I said, the first seven weeks, it was quite a new team, inaugural team. ⁓ We didn't know each other. A lot of us had never played together. There was probably a couple of the girls that had come from other clubs that sort of knew each other. We had girls from Queensland. We had a lot of girls from New Zealand moving over as well. We had a lot of girls learning rugby league for the first time ⁓ So trying to navigate everyone so quickly as well as being in a preseason It was quite rushed and to be fair You don't really get to know someone until you go through either hard times or you have social events together being real like and It wasn't until you know We went through the trenches a bit sort of towards the back end of the season and then we had our end of season A lot of us actually got quite close after that because you genuinely get to you know Know the real person and you get to know more about them It just takes time like you know You can't force culture and you can't force getting to know someone by one camp it takes time And in the offseason a lot of us have gotten quite close ⁓ And like I said you come you come into training now a lot of us girls We're there to still 9 o'clock at night still talking about some crazy story about the weekend because we're genuinely really good friends now. And at the end of the day, you've got to be playing for your sisters. So you've got to see it as a family if you're to back each other on the field. Yeah, and that all points to maybe ⁓ a bigger and better season this year for you girls. And you mentioned that you had a lot of squad members that had come from all over as well, New Zealand and that kind of thing. Were there other girls in the same position as you? You how you spoke about earlier, obviously quite homesick and not being able to fit in and that kind of thing. Were there other girls that were going through that that you were able to lean on and help as well? Yeah, there definitely was. I think a lot of us didn't speak out about it, sort of when it was going on. I sort of started to realize a lot of the girls were struggling. I went back and played obviously Harvey Normans for a couple weeks. And when I was at Harvey's, I got to speak with a couple of the other girls, you know, that were back in Harvey's as well. And, you know, started to have those conversations of how they're feeling and got to really get to know ⁓ what's going on in their head because you could tell they were quite down ⁓ because they obviously wanted to be you in those starting spots but they were quite struggling and the more I got to speaking to them the more I realized like hey they're actually struggling too and then towards the back end of the season a lot of girls started speaking up more about how they were homesick you know one of the girls ⁓ she's got a child and you know her kid was coming back and forth and that's quite hard for her ⁓ and being away from family, especially the New Zealand girls, culture is such a big thing ⁓ for those girls and having their families around them is so important. So being away from that is quite challenging. We have quite a young team as well. So for some of those girls, it's the first time being away from family, first time living out of home. ⁓ But we are quite lucky. We have a great wellbeing officer, Mary. She's like ⁓ our big mum who kind of wraps her arms around all of us. and she's always checking in as well. We're quite lucky as well. Braden is obviously a young coach, but he's only just been out of the NRL system a few years ago. So he understands what it's like, the pressure, being in and out of squads. So he's actually really good when he opens up about those conversations and he's a bit more understanding about it too. So yeah. Awesome. What does confidence look like on the field to you? Confidence is just you can tell when someone's confident just by their head like when they drop their head You know, they're not laughing. They're very tunnel vision confidence for me Is talking all the time backing backing each other up? You can tell it like as soon as you get that momentum You can see it and the girls you can see the passion, you know, someone makes a good tackle you can see like hear it from the bench like ⁓ It was like a totally different... Great game. Great game. felt different. Yeah, I think there was a lot of passion in that game. We have a lot of Sharks ex-players in our team. Yeah. Yeah. You know, especially Tay. Tay, she knew going into that game, she had to put on, you know, a great game and she did. It was so cool to see her score that try as well. Like, I think that meant everything to her. And I think like we wanted to play for those girls too. wish we had a game like that a little bit earlier in the season because you know it really boosted all of our confidence. But in saying that our first game and our second game you know great confidence booster. The first game against Knights I would still say that's one of my highlights from last year. know Knights would definitely be out there with one of the top teams and you know we really stuck stuck with them and you know we exceeded that game. And I think our supporters as well really backed us from there and realised like hey like where We're here and we're here to stay. So it was so great. So great to play that game. Yeah, Bulldog supporters were something else, They're so loyal. Like they stick with us. They love their Bulldogs. I love going to games and seeing our supporters. You can hear them. They've got their drums. I would say Bulldogs are the best supporters out there. You ask any other, you know, supporter. I've got friends who support other teams and they'll still tell you Bulldogs are. They've got the best fan base. must be pretty special to be in a position that you're in now where you've got people coming up and talking to you and asking for autographs and wanting photos. mean, is it surreal? How do you deal with that? It is a bit surreal. ⁓ You've obviously got to stay a little bit level headed at the same time. You know, I'm just grateful to be a part of, you know, the women's next generation pathway. I think the one goal for me is to leave the jersey in a better spot from where I started. ⁓ so excited that we will eventually move into a full-time role and I'm so excited to see the pathways come through. ⁓ I think the next generation of girls are gonna be phenomenal rugby league players. We go down and we see Alisa Fiola girls playing at the moment and damn, they're gonna be better than I ever was at that age. The level of women's footy is just gonna get better and better. You can see it through those pathways. Bulldogs have such a strong pathways with those girls. We had an all-in women's session a few weeks ago with our younger girls and we mixed in with them at training and you know, they've got such a great culture going on down there. I'm so excited to see them come through the pathways and you know, Bulldogs are really starting to focus on trying to stick true to their pathways as well. ⁓ Obviously that comes from Gus. Gus is a genius in terms of building a club up. You can see what he's done with previous clubs and he's doing that with Bulldogs now and it's starting to reflect. ⁓ So I think it is important that we kind of foster our babies because as they come through they'll definitely be the ones you know leading the club from the front. Yeah, what do you put that down to the strength of our junior pathways at the moment? it the resources like the coaching? Is it just a mix of everything? ⁓ Because some clubs do it well, some clubs do it not so well. Bulldogs obviously are a club that do it really well. Yeah. Is there anything in particular that you put your finger on as to why? I think there's quite a level of professionalism Nationalism in the juniors ⁓ I've gone down to a couple of their training sessions in the offseason and just jumped in with them ⁓ And it feels like still an NRLW session. They've got lots of coaches down there They've got a lot of girls helping out as well They've got big numbers and the girls genuinely seem like they're all friends outside of footy as well So like I said girls want to play with their friends, but you know, they're they're all organized their training 100 % they're getting the right coaching. So I think there feels like there is a professionalism and seeing that some of these girls are coming through the pathways as well and staying true to the club. I think that's something that's quite attractive for, you know, a player joining a junior club, seeing that, you know, there is potential for them to move through those ranks. Awesome. And what advice would you give to a young player, whether they're a young teenager or a little girl that wants to do what you're doing? ⁓ that's a tough one. ⁓ Honestly, I would just say to, you know, a younger version of me is just to keep going. Like, I think there's so many players when you're young that are so skillful and just naturally talented. And yes, they get the spotlight. And yes, they are some of the best players at that age. And, you know, I was that kid that, you know, I never stood out, but I always did my job and I always was the hardest worker there. And still to this day, I like to you know, by actions. ⁓ You know, got to be the first one at training. You've got to be the one that doesn't cut corners. Push yourself to be, you know, the one that does the 1 % is right. Ask questions. ⁓ In your conditioning blocks, be the one that speaks up. Be the one that's always pushing themself. If you just are consistent and continuously push to be better... it does pay off and you just got to be kind to yourself because you know sometimes there's highs and lows that's that's the reality of sport like it's not always going to be amazing you got to remember someone told me one day about the rule of thirds so with the rule of thirds you've got sort of your top end of the third which are great days and it feels amazing you're on top of the world everything's doing well you got your middle ground where you're just cruising through the week and it feels average and then you got your really bad days which is at the bottom of the third, you need to have even thirds in your life. If you've got too much of one third, you're either not challenging yourself. If you're too far on the other side of the spectrum, something's not right. You need to change it. You need to seek help or you need to change something to sort of be better, be in a better mindset. So something I always sort of stick at is remembering to be in that rule of thirds and just stay consistent from there. Yeah, well said. That's really good. Alright, look, how do you see the season shaping up for the girls? know it's hard now that you haven't gotten really back into a full-time training yet, but what are you expecting? I'm expecting a big season for us. ⁓ We are technically in an off season. However, we have all opted to do it is non compulsory, but we have all opted to do a pre pre season at the moment. So we are sort of training two days a week, ⁓ which is really cool. And all the girls have bite it like, Sorry, all the girls have bought into it. ⁓ So we are doing two days a week leading into that. We understand how important building connection is, but as well as fitness, it's so yucky to go do fitness independently. So to do it together is pretty cool. Also from there, building our little skill one percenters with each other. So I think by the time we come to pre-season, it's fully focused. ⁓ And then obviously we can spend that next block just perfecting our craft, sort of starting to set more into positions, looking at shape from there. And then by round one, I really think, you know, after a good 14 weeks, we'll be ready to go. Yeah. And like, you know, you touched on, you know, beating the Knights and beating the Sharks, like, you know, you can beat those top teams. Yeah. It's the second year round now, getting a proper preseason in and those connections. Hopefully, you know, a few more wins get, get early up the ladder early on and then hopefully take it into the finals. Yeah, it's definitely going to be a tough first game. We already expect that. We're going over to Hamilton to play the Warriors and you know they've got some new recruits as well so it will be really exciting to play them and sort of set the tone from there for the rest of season. Definitely sounds like everyone's bought in though and you know that... club first, individual second kind of thing. And yeah, all we can do is wish you guys the best. And it was a great first year. We're looking forward to another second year. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. It's been wonderful to be able to get a few of you girls on ahead of the season and sharing your stories and just what it takes to be a professional athlete now as the women's game grows. So yeah, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it. Pleasure. Thanks so much. And we'll see you next time on Pack Mentality.