Understanding Personality Differences Can Save A Marriage And Strengthen A Team. Stop Assuming “Different” Means “Wrong”: Understanding Personality, Communication & Purpose.

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This is Nicole Ellis McGregor, the founders of the Overcomers Approach podcast, where I meet with different people from different walks of life, different experiences, and different journeys.
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But the overarching theme is we have the ability to overcome no matter what comes our way.
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And I love the fact that I have Marita here today with me.
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She's a multifaceted author, speaker, and entrepreneur based in Lubick, Texas.
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With more than 50 years of experience, she has dedicated her career to empowering individuals to understand themselves more deeply and live more fulfilling lives.
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As a daughter of a renowned speaker and author, Florence, look I'm I don't even want to.
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It totally is a tough one.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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Marita immersed in personalities from the age of nine, traveling with her mother and eventually carrying forward the family legacy.
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She brings a unique insight with identifying personalities through visible cues and applying understanding of the personalities to strengthen relationships through her writing, speaking, and other professional ventures.
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Marita exemplifies the life of purpose, resilience, and continued growth, remaining committed to inspiring others to live to their fullest authentic selves and intention.
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Marita, thank you for being on the overcomers approach today.
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I'm looking forward to an authentic, inspiring conversation.
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Thank you.
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Well, I'm positive we will have that, Nicole.
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Thank you so much.
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I've been looking forward to this.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Well, what interests me is uh I really did not get into personalities until I was in graduate school and we had like a little course on personalities, and we just touched the surface of it.
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But I feel like it really allowed me to pivot in a way in my career space and even in my home, really understanding personality types, mine and others.
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Tell me like how did that spring forth or wherever you want to take that direction?
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I just would love to know a little bit more how you walked that journey.
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Well, sure.
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Since you mentioned uh you brought up nine years old for me, and you can see I will be 68 next birthday, which is October.
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So um, it's been a while for me, but back when I was just nine years old, in fact, let me just grab this prop to show you.
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Okay.
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When I was just nine years old, my mother read this book, The Spirit Controlled Temperament, written by Tim LaHaye.
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And um, this book really changed my parents' life and their marital relationship.
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In fact, they probably would not have remained married throughout their entire lives.
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They're both deceased now, but they probably would not have remained married without this book and the concepts that she and I have since um developed and enhanced and matured since that time.
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But she discovered in reading that book that just because she was different from my father did not make her wrong.
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And my mother, much like me, lived a very full life.
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She had lots of things going on.
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It was, of course, pre-computer era, and she had a hard time with her calendar and showing up on time and being overcommitted, all that kind of thing.
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And so it was really easy for my father, who of course was the opposite from her, which I believe is how God tends to make us.
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We're attracted to someone who's opposite from us, and we can discuss that.
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But my father was what we call the perfect melancholy.
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My mother was what we call the popular sanguine.
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My father was a perfectionist, he was very detailed conscious, he was very organized, and he was very scheduled.
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So it was really easy for him to make my mother feel like her little la la la self going.
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And so that was the beginning for us of this whole thing.
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And um, I'm sorry, Nicole.
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Oh, sorry, you just went blank for a moment and I wasn't sure what happened.
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So okay.
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Sorry about that.
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No, you're good.
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Okay, I'm I still I see you, I hear you, so it's great.
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So I'm glad I just sorry about that little blip.
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I don't know what happened, but anyway.
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Um, for my parents, understanding this was life-changing for them.
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My mother, being the type of person that she was, when she got a hold of something, she became a cheerleader for it.
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And so she started telling her friends about these ideas that we now call the personalities.
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And before long, my parents had couples coming into our home in the evening.
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And I again, I'm still nine years old at this point, and this was before there were book clubs and before most churches had small groups, but my parents had people coming into their home.
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And during that time, my father, excuse me, then created a personality profile that we are still using today, and so that's where my origins, origins of the personalities comes from.
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Oh, I love it.
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And I love the fact that you brought the lived experience of them being opposites.
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I was just talking to somebody about this today.
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Me and my husband are complete opposites, but it truly works for us and it really balances, we really balance ourselves up.
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Yes, and that's the that's the idea, I think.
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Yes, yes.
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And I love the fact that you talk about churches, had small groups and all the things that we have now, like they were really ahead of their time.
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And I think the more that we know about ourselves, understand about our ourselves, we can work through that.
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You know, like you said, if they didn't have that education or the basis of that, maybe they maybe would it not have worked.
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It wasn't that anybody was wrong, it was just really like a different perspective.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's eye-opening.
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Yes, yes.
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And I love that.
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Um, and I love the fact that you've continued on the legacy within your family.
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I I think that, you know, legacy is a big part of what my life is and what I talk about quite frequently is legacy.
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And we're not giving our gifts just for ourselves, they're for our families and they're for others as well.
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And so I, you know, I love the fact that you, you know, brought that forth and you're still carrying the torch and the legacy.
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Um, how do you think it can improve relationships with others?
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You know, we have our marriage, but then we also have our career, we have our friends, we have our family members that we work with.
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How do you think how we can incorporate that into our lives?
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Well, it's huge.
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I mean, I really think it it's the key.
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And uh, I mentioned that for my mother, as she began to understand and develop these ideas further than the original book she read, that for her it was life-changing because she began to understand who she was.
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Yes.
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For me, this material wasn't necessarily life-changing because I grew up with it, and I happened to have the kind of personality like my mother's that's really easy to identify.
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But for me, when I really realized how important these concepts were, and this is getting to the question you asked, is when I went to work.
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Now, for me, I'm talking about a 15-year-old in a fast food restaurant, right?
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But if you think about it, when you go to work is the first time in your life that you have to get along with people that you maybe don't really like.
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That's right.
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Prior to going to work, if you don't like someone, you don't play with them.
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You don't go to their house, you don't invite them to your house, and you just don't play with them.
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But when you're at work now, suddenly you have people in your life that may be people you would not use.
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Because you work with them, you have to learn to get along with them.
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You have to improve, you know, figure them out.
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And that's when I discovered that the knowledge I had gained from my mother, I could apply in a really different way than what she had done.
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And I kind of developed these ideas and made it my own.
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And the big thing I'm talking about is how to visibly identify someone's personality type.
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Because, you know, if you're with someone in a workplace and you're having a tough time with that person, it may be difficult to go to them and say, excuse me, I'm having a tough time with you.
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Would you please take this personality profile so that I can, you know, understand you better?
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And this is what the personality profile that my father created 60 years ago, this is what it looks like today.
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It's a totally different product.
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I mean, the profile itself is the same.
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The profile in the score sheet has been in use for nearly 60 years.
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Yeah, and we sell, we've sold hundreds of thousands of these personality profiles over the years.
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But when I was in the workplace, that's when I or you know, originally, I began to realize that I could tell by watching someone, the way they used their hands, the way they talked, the way they dressed in an office setting, the way they kept their personal space.
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And based on those what I now call visible clues, I could identify someone's personality based on that.
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And then once I was able to identify their personality type, I was then able to adjust my expectations of them and I was able to adjust my approach to them because personality plays a big role in communication, it does because someone like me who can be loud and strong in lots of hand gestures, if I'm communicating with someone like my husband, who's the opposite, he's the perfect melancholy and the peaceful phlegmatic combined.
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If I just kind of charge in as I'm prone to do, I overwhelm him.
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And so even if I'm just gonna have a brief thought, today I was working on some some big projects for me, and I wanted to share it with him.
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And so rather than just walking in and handing him the printed pages, I went in and sat down in front of him and paused for a few moments and then told him, you know, what I what I wanted.
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So it makes a big difference.
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And I've had some, I've been doing a lot of podcast interviews this past year, the year of 2026, because this is the 20th anniversary of my book, Wired That Way.
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It was published 20 years ago this year, and you know it's amazing.
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The book has it's still selling, it's um remaining relevant and uh still changing lives 20 years later, and that's pretty pretty exciting.
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But I was telling a podcast host at one point recently about the idea of adjusting my approach to someone, and he said to me, How is that not manipulation?
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Good question, yeah.
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And I paused for a moment because honestly, no one had asked me that question.
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Now I kind of obviously try to incorporate it because I think it's important.
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And my answer was the difference is caring.
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Yes, if I care enough about you, I care enough about my husband, I care enough about my friends, I care.
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You know, I don't care enough about the kid at the fast food restaurant to adjust my approach to that person.
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Yes, but the people I do care about, it's worth it.
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But you know, it's it's hard work.
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It really is hard work to first identify the personality type of others.
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Well, that part's easy, you just learn the visible clues, but adjusting your approach and your expectations to them, it's hard work because you know, we were all raised on what we called the golden rule, yes, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and that's fine if you're talking about children in a sandbox.
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That's right.
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But when you're talking about relationships, if I do to my husband what I really want from him, right, that doesn't work because we're different people.
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So for me to adjust my approach to him, I have to step outside of who I am naturally, yes, and acknowledge what I need to do for him, and that is hard work, and I'm not gonna do that unless I care.
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That's right.
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The real difference is caring.
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Yes, that was a long answer, but no, but I love that you hit on some components.
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I think caring, you like you said, you care about the person, and it is hard work, like it is difficulty to step outside of what your comfort zone and what you're familiar with, and what your approach is and what you feel good about and your life experience to adjust to the person.
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And I think it's so communication is so so so important.
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These it's always been important, but I think even so more so now that we're incorporating, you know, social media and people are not having as much human connection and not, you know, really knowing how to take that leap to like have the contact and then flexing to you know to a person that may be different from yourself.
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And I love the fact that you said that because I think it's so important and it's critical.
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Um, you know, I talked to my son, he's having dating difficulties right now.
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I'm glad I'm not in that world.
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I'm glad I'm not gonna be able to do that.
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Um, but you know, I I you know I hear the things that they talk about, and it's just, you know, I just feel like if you know, if they could just critique, you know, certain things and communication and you know, you know, stepping outside of your comfort zone, get to if you care about the person, you want to know a little bit more, and you will flex and you will slow down, you know, you will slow down for that person if you need to.
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So I love the fact that you said that because I think it's it's so important, and I think it's so important in team environment environments and work environments as well.
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Um, where I think you know, conflict, you know, and kind of can be praise in some spaces, but there conflict is always going to be there.
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But how do we effectively work through that through our personalities, through different perspectives, and come out stronger and better?
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So and with stronger and better relationships, yes, yeah, because I mean it's it's just so important that you understand those other people, and I have a whole chapter in wired that way on how to visibly identify the personality type of others, and I have a whole chapter on communication, a whole chapter on marriage, whole chapter on parenting, and wow, yeah, yeah.
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So you're hitting all critical components parenting, marriage, relationships, work, um, and because our life is going to be impacted in each and every way.
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Um, for that, and to take a step back a little, why do you think people choose um mates to marry that are opposite from themselves?
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Is there a reasoning behind that?
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Well, I mean, I I I think it's the way we're wired, you know.
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My book title is wired that way, but as you brought up, Nicole, I believe we're naturally attracted to someone who is opposite from us.
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Yes.
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And I have a friend who used to say, if you're both the same, one of you isn't needed.
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That's right.
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And when we bring in, my husband is a CPA.
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Yeah, I'm I am horrible.
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And he would tell you, basic times and numbers are not my friends.
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And that is so true.
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I have to train myself to write, you know, I don't actually write it down, I put it on the calendar, and how do I do?
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Because I was deep into a project when my computer chirped that I had an interview with you in 30 minutes, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I was still in my workout clothes.
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I had to go freshen up a bit, but you know, I have I've had to learn coping systems to overcome my natural weaknesses.
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But money, like I said, my husband says, dates, times, and numbers are not your friends, and um, you know, they're not, but I'm married to a CPA, so hallelujah.
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Numbers don't have to be my friends.
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That's right.
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I have to remember to show up when I have a commitment.
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But um we marry we're attracted to someone who's opposite from us, but also for someone like my husband, who's more the quiet personality, he said to me one day, you know, if it wasn't for you, I'd probably never get out of this chair.
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Oh, wow.
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And he's right.
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He he sometimes will say, he says to me, Do we have to have something every night?
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I'm like, we've been home for the last four nights.
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Right, you know, he gives me the freedom to go, yes, and I give him the freedom to stay.
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Yes, but if we didn't understand the personalities, those just those two issues that I want to go, go, go, yeah, well, he's kind of saying, no, no, no.
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So that original attract of that opposite personality, when you go home to live with that person who's opposite, it can become very difficult.
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It can if you don't understand.
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If you don't understand it, like you know that it can be frustrating, right?
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Right, yes, yes, it can.
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And I think I always say that uh conflict or or or you know, discontentment is is an opportunity to get closer, it's a opportunity to grow, it's opportunity to learn, yes, even in that uncomfortable space.
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Like you said, it's hard work, and so sometimes you gotta press to the work, just like you know, anything that's worth it, you're gonna put the work in.
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And you know, and it and even though it is work, it really doesn't feel like it.
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But you know what I mean, it is exactly yeah, making those sacrifices to get to that.
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Well, that's all part of relationship, and it's not just marriage.
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Yeah, anyone who has been in any kind of relationship, whether it's best friends from high school, whether it's a longtime employer or employee relationship, whether it's a marriage, you know, we've all had opportunities for growth, as you called it, you know.
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Every I believe that basically every relationship can work.
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That's well, every relationship takes work.
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And the reason I put the caveat of basically in there is, you know, I'm referring to people who are normal, decent human beings.
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Right.
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And you know, there are people who are narcissists, are you know, whatever personality disorder, there are people who are not who are really just not decent human beings, sadly that that is, but it was assuming we're dealing with basic normal human beings, yeah, every relationship can work, but every relationship takes work.
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And while I'm mentioning that, I want to throw one little tidbit in here.
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Yeah, I have seen over and over again that these concepts, even if only one person in the relationship is aware of the idea of the personality, yeah.
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They apply the teaching and they adjust their approach to their friend or their spouse, yes, that you can see really almost overnight improvements in relationships, even if the other person has no idea what you're doing.
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Yes.
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Oh wow, that's good.
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That that's good because and that's good to know because that's really all you need to know and start with, you know, is having that awareness.
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Hopefully, assuming we are a normal normal, decent human being, they'll notice, you know, what what's different?
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I we're seem to be getting along better or whatever.
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And then you can perhaps say, Oh, well, you know, I read this book and it was really helpful, and maybe you would enjoy it.
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You know, you can go on from there.
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Yeah.
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I, you know, I believe that education is definitely power, and when you apply it, it just takes you to the next level.
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Yes.
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Um, knowledge without application is not worth much.
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That's right.
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That is the total truth.
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Um, and I want to pivot a little.
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Um, I know we're winding down to like the last 10 minutes, about um, because you're you've been doing this for a while.
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You still have a lot of energy, a lot of motion, um, a lot of motive motivation, drive, purpose.
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I mean, I see it through the camera.
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And I feel like people are, you know, women, you know, maybe uh revamping their life.
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They may be starting a new chapter.
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We're living longer, we're staying longer in the workforce, we're creating more and more businesses, getting more educated.
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But I think sometimes we could hit this spot where we feel like we have nothing to offer anymore.
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We've been there, done that.
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How do you how do you speak to that?
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You know, especially you're you're you're doing it, you know, and some people get stuck.
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Yes.
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Well, I'm glad you brought up kind of the next chapter.
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You know, we ask ourselves as we age, yeah, um, you know, perhaps what is the next chapter?
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I'm kind of newly retired, not that my husband really thinks this what I'm doing is retired, but I'm really not producing any income of any significance.
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And so I call that retired.
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Right.
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But um, I've I have next chapters, and I wrote a whole blog post from my blog um called the um I think I think I called it Life in Chapters, and it addresses that.
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I look back through my life and the different chapters I've been through, and then challenge women to look at their own life instead of feeling discouraged that maybe this wasn't a success, or maybe they got a divorce, or maybe they're looking ahead and they don't know where they're going to think of what is their next chapter.
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But you brought this up because I I really have a passion to help women in this more um advanced part of life, this next chapter, to not look at it as life is over.
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And I find so many women when they retire or their kids grow up and they kind of look ahead and they look down the road and they're like, Well, what am I gonna do with my life?
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And I really want to encourage women that the road ahead still matters, yeah, that there's still opportunities, there's still fun, there's still friendship.
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Relationships.
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There's still travel.
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And maybe one chapter is closed, but the next chapter may be the best one yet.
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Oh, wow.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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And I'm in so much agreeance of that.
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Like you said, when the kids leave, you know, sometimes women or parents put their whole full purpose into the kids.
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And then once they're gone, it's kind of like, what am I doing?
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What I have to offer.
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Uh, what can you speak to?
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Some women have some amazing lived experiences.
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They may not have, you maybe, you know, feel like they have the career knowledge that they would like to have, or maybe they could apply the both.
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I think they're so important, lived experience and professional.
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And then when you put the personalities in there, because I really feel like once you know who who you are, what your I who your what your identity is, it makes moving through life a little bit easier.
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Yes, it most definitely does.
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Yes.
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Especially when you understand, um, this may not be exactly what you're asking, but when you understand what your emotional needs are, and we haven't really talked done a whole teaching on the four personality types, and and of course, no one is exactly one like in a box, right?
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We're we're all kind of a blend like a color wheel.
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Yeah, but we're not just static, this is who you are.
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You can grow and mature, but when when you look at who you are, and then you begin to understand the emotional needs that come pre-packaged within your personality, then what you can do to have a more fulfilling future is make sure that with the direction you head, especially at what I call the best life phase or the best life demographic, um, that when you look at life and make sure that those what you're planning ahead fills those emotional needs.
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Yes, that is when you're gonna find real fulfillment.
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If you're trying to trying to fit yourself into a mold that your mother set for you or that your husband set for you, you're not ultimately going to be happy with that.
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But if you can plan, and and I believe this is one of the great things about this phase of life, yes, is that you can get to pick some things.
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That's right.
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You can choose that direction.
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And I've realized that for me, travel is important.
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Yeah, and um, you know, I've sat down with my husband and said, How many trips a year would you really like to take?
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Yes, you know, and we concluded we're gonna do one kind of big trip like a cruise and then a couple, you know, driving trips, yeah.
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Um you know, we've planned that for us, yeah.
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But you need to look at who you are and what's important to you as you plan for that future.
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But through the best lifeproject.com, which is my blog, um, we have a lot of different contributors who offer, and you said you brought up many people have real have lived experience.
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Yeah, you know, and at this point, yeah, we have lived experience.
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And a lot of the women who are writing for the best life project, and maybe one of them should be you.
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I don't know if that's part of the interest in your life, but we have a lot of different women from different walks of life, different parts of the country.
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Um, and they share their lived experiences and the lessons that they've learned.
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And we post about two blog posts a week, not always, but that's what I aim for.
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And I just love it when I get emails from people or comments on the blog.
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Yeah, this really touched me.
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This is where I am today.
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And that's that's what I'm hoping for.
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Yes.
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You know, um, and that speaks to as we kind of wrap up, and then I'll give you another opportunity to provide your website again just to make sure we we get exactly in where they could purchase the book as well.
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Um, in terms of when you talk about that, it sounds like you're really pouring out that information to other people, which I do like.
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It's not just for you to keep and contain, it's for other women, it's for other people, you know, for them to flourish and grow in in their own authentic lived experiences.
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And I think that's there's so much to gain and learn from that.
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And then I think about legacy, I think about you know, you speaking about your mother and you know, how you carried the torch.
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It may not have been exactly, you know, her way, but she you were influenced and you're in the world.
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I gave me the foundation.
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Yes, yes, she gave you the foundation, and I think that's something that's so critical that mothers could do for daughters, or women, maybe they may not have children, but you know, aunts could do for nieces, people could do the community, whatever your professional role is, it's to give that, give that away, or or you know, or package it however you want to, so that people can can can move in their lane and their purpose.
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And I also believe we're worth the investment.
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So I always tell people when I started really changing in my life is when I begin to invest in myself.
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And that might mean financially, that mean I I brought the book, I got a coach, I got a mentor that I paid for.
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But it was so, and when I shifted my priorities, it it just it made such a big shift in my life.
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And I was like, oh, wow, I wish I could have been doing this 20 years ago, but hey, I didn't know it then, but that's okay.
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But I can speak to the lived experiences where I may have bumped my head here and there and learned from that.
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And that's the thing, learn.
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Yes, yes, and learn from that.
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Um, and so I love the fact that you know, you're just, you know, you your mom provided you with the foundation, their 20-year anniversary in the book.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you.
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You know, I love the fact that you know, you spoke to how people in their marriages might be thinking, hey, this is not gonna work, but it just would have a pivot with some education, with some more understanding of who they are.
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Um, it could really shift the trajectory of their marriage and their future.
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Um, and that's that's super big.
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That's that's super big.
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And and and I definitely love that.
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Um, in terms of where people can purchase your book, um, where would they go to and and connect and look at the blog?
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And I know you may have said it, but just one more time, I just make sure I get it right.
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Yes.
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The book is wired that way, and it's available, of course, on Amazon.
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Okay, and they have a special 20th anniversary price right now, which is close to half price.
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And so you can go to Amazon, they also have it available as an ebook.
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Awesome, um, and and an audiobook.
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And for Kindle Unlimited members, this book and my mother's book, Personality Plus, are both available free if you're a Kindle Unlimited member.
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So that's that's a great thing.
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My the the website to take the personality profile, I showed you the paper copy, but it's also available online, and you can go there right now and not have to wait to get the paper copy mail, but uh, you can go to thepersonalities.com and we call the whole body of work that my mom and I developed and and uh share is the personalities, and so you can go to thepersonalities.com and my blog for um 60 plus women, yes, not for women, not for only 60 women, but women who are 60 plus is called the best lifeproject.com and it's best life is hyphenated.
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If you don't put the hyphen in, you'll go somewhere else.
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But if you just google it, it'll it'll take you there.
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Awesome.
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I will make sure that it's in the description.
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One closing question What gives you hope and uh that that that keeps you you know wanting to do this and keep moving forward?
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Yeah, you know, I just have so many new ideas constantly, and uh I just love and I love that I have the blog, the best life project.
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So, whatever new crazy idea I have, like I've got one idea that's permanent in my head right now, and it's kind of a crazy idea, but I'm grateful I have the blog.
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That's I mentioned that my husband and I have decided to go on basically a cruise a year, and we've gone on three cruises with this particular cruise line, and it's it's not a it's a less fancy cruise line, it's a more comfortable cruise line, yes, and they target seniors and there's no children, there's no casinos, there's no pools, it's very and it's very comfortable.
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And I'd like my friends to join us, and so there's a Facebook group of the users of American cruise lines, okay, and I posted on there tell me why do you love American Cruise Lines?
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Because I want to try to get my friends to join us, and so why you know you've been on the bigger cruise lines?
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Yes, so they gave me all kinds of great answers, yeah.
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I need to distill that down, but if I put that much effort into it, I don't want to just hand it to two friends.
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That's right, and so I'm I'm gonna put turn it into a blog post, and who knows, maybe someone will join me because of it.
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I you know, I love that I was just speaking to a friend about cruises.
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We were talking about that, and we were talking about going on one, and my husband, he had one bad experience, he hasn't been on one since, and she's been on a couple, but she said now that she's moving, you know, 55, she's like, I she's like the last cruise I it was a party cruise.
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She said it was over stimulating for her, it was too much.
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So she's like, I want to do another one.
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She said, but not what I experienced the last time I went.
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So I'm glad because I've there's an audience of people that speak that language, and that's what they want.
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So thank you.
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Yes, yeah.
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No, you know, it's funny.
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My sister is taking her grandkids on a Disney cruise.
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Yeah, and it's 800 children on one cruise ship.
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The part of it just gives me a headache.
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I know.
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She took her grandkids and they had a great time.
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It worked for them.
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Yeah, and like you said, whatever works for that chapter or season in your life, we're all evolved, we all evolve, we all grow and shift, and our priorities change.
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And there's something for all of us.
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So I love the fact, Martina, that you spoke to that and the personalities will speak to that as well.
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Your book.
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I love the fact that that's out.
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And I just want to thank you for sharing your experience and your time for me.
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Just in this little short 32 minutes, I gained a lot.
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And if my listeners want to know more, we got the information I want to share in the description of my podcast.
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And thank you, thank you again, Martina.
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It's been my pleasure.
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My pleasure, Nicole.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.