Jason Padgett, Math Savant Speaks About Reality

Media Team: Hello and welcome to the outer limits of inner science, where we explore human transformation, consciousness, and the science of meditation in order to empower people to heal and thrive. My name is Andrew Wright, and with me, as always, Dr. Hillary Hamilton. Hey Andrew, this is incredible. I can't wait to have our guest. I I think this is one of the best examples of truly the outer limits, like where our guest is about to take us. is out. It's out there. Yeah. And he is like the true superhero just because of how his brain functions. To me, he's super he's the expression of being supernatural. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it he's an example of how any one of us can tap into information that's out there in the field. And it's just a matter of changing your attention or in his case, changing his brain. Yeah, and he wasn't born this way. This happened in an accident, which is crazy in itself that he changed after that experience. Yeah. Yeah. He is one of about 50 people in the world that are known to have acquired savantism. and what's really crazy is he's the only person in the world who has not only acquired savantism, but also synesthesia. So Go into detail on what synesthesia actually is. Synesthesia, I think we all have it to some extent, but ⁓ people who really have it ⁓ describe the experiences of like being able to ⁓ smell colors, or they have a feeling associated with a number. It's where our senses are kind of crossing over the number five might taste like. Peppermint to somebody with synesthesia. Like so they as a result of that, they can kind of recruit different parts of their brain and may have some amazing gift because of that, such as being musically inclined or mathematically inclined. Yeah. And it reminds me of remember that movie Rain Man that took place years ago with ⁓ what was his name? Tom Cruise and and Dustin Hoffman. And he played that so, so well. But he was a savant. Super intelligent. Yeah. Right. And he had a memory that was ridiculous. And in fact, the the person that actually was in that that movie that was portrayed in the movie, he was a mega savant and his name was Kim Peak. And he memorized twelve hundred books. I mean, what's in that guy's brain? Actually, I think there's another another zero there. It's twelve thousand. Twelve thousand books. Yeah. Which is incredible. But I yeah, absolutely great movie. If you haven't seen it, go see Rainman. This is not a promotion or we yeah, we're not earning any money off of this. But yeah, so very similar. ⁓ our guest ⁓ has this gift, we'll say, acquired savant s savantism and synesthesia. That's a mouthful. Yeah, it is. And it's as a result, he actually lived very close to me. He lived in ⁓ Washington State. in Tacoma and ⁓ he was at a karaoke bar and he was basically mugged and robbed when he came out of the karaoke bar and they really the the first thing he says he remembers ⁓ was getting hit in the back of the head and he heard this loud thud and he saw a flash of light and then he was unconscious and he came to anyway a struggle ensued he ended up in the hospital and they put they confirmed that he definitely had a concussion and they put him on some medication. ⁓ painkillers, I believe. And the next day he was seeing things really differently. He woke up just really confused and he thought it was actually the medication that was making him confused. Wow. Wow. And then I know he developed all different types of conditions because of that injury. Like he was OCD, he had PTSD, like he didn't like any light coming in, he was sleeping for days. So that was part of what happened from the injury. But Tell them what else happened from the injury. Well, as a result of that, ⁓ he started seeing things differently. And I'm gonna let him tell the story. Yeah. ⁓ but but because of that, his acquired ⁓ gifts were really mathematical and this way that he actually sees the nature of reality, which is incredible. He didn't know this at first. ⁓ what he discovered ⁓ with his O C D and everything that was going on was that art actually calmed him down. And so he started doing art, freehand art and using rulers to draw lines. He didn't realize but what he was drawing was like the fundamental nature of reality. He was drawing things ⁓ that he didn't even know what they were, but they were like staker geometry, which was incredible. He described ⁓ in his book I read years ago, ⁓ he describes seeing a double rainbow and he understood when he saw the double rainbow that that was the number pie. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to meet him back in 2016. I was producing ⁓ TEDx Tacoma, the TED Talks, and he came and he was one of the speakers at that. So that is still available online. But he's come so far in the last 10 years. It's really, really incredible. Yeah. I'm so happy we get to do this today with him. Absolutely, me too. And we're going to be touching upon a lot of things that this audience is familiar with, but you're going to hear them in different ways. ⁓ Dr. Joe Dispenza talks about frequency, everything is frequency, how fast the frequency happens, interference, you know, constructive and destructive waves, ⁓ entanglement. You're gonna hear it in a different light because this is coming from someone who Truly is supernatural, and he's had to learn the language to be able to communicate it with us. Yeah. So this episode's gonna be a little bit different. Put on your thinking cap. ⁓ you're gonna see our guest, he's he takes notes because his brain is just firing and wiring differently, and it's moving and it moves all over the place. So he has to keep referring back to his notes to remember where it was he was headed. ⁓ this episode. Will also probably be a little bit more edited than what we normally do just because of that. Because we want to keep the message concise and relevant. Now sit back because this conversation is gonna be a challenge to how you look at reality. Please welcome Jason Page. Welcome, Jason. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you very much. I'm glad to be here. So the I I shared a little bit of the backstory of how this all happened and how you got to where we are today. Tell us how do you experience reality? What what is it that you see and experience? So I have something called motion blindness. I was attacked in a robbery and had a brain injury ⁓ that caused ⁓ the way that my brain perceives motion to be different. So somebody with motion blindness ⁓ perceives the world differently. Most people just see like an object moving in front of them smoothly, like this. But if you've ever seen a flip book where you draw like a cartoon on each page and then you flip the pages and it looks like the cartoon moves, but but it looks all jittery, that's how you see motion as still images. So when you see when a person sees something move, their brain is taking individual snapshots and then it's linking those together and they see that as smooth motion. With motion blindness, that part of the brain that smooths out the picture frames. So like when you see something move, you're actually seeing it click, click, click. But one part of your brain smooths it out so it doesn't look like a flip book. And that part of my brain was injured so when things move, I see the picture frames one at a time. And but that makes interference patterns or that makes what's happening in between the picture frames obvious. When you lose this smooth interpolation. What gets left behind suddenly becomes obvious. So, like if there's a a picture of you driving your car or you walking, there's a picture of you, and then there's another picture of you. Connecting those pictures, each little pixel on those pictures, is a direction that information flows. If I take all those directions that information flows in between the picture frames, and I throw the picture frames away, and all I have is the directions of information, we can rebuild the pictures from the information. And that's what we're basically going to be talking about is how Those directions of information is equivalent to gravity. It's equivalent to a zip file that tells you what holograms are doing, but in a compressed format. And and when you say zip file, you mean literally like a computer file that has a bunch of images or something in there that's zip zipped up, right? I mean literally, yeah. So there's something called the Riemann hypothesis, and this shows what potentially w the solution to it. And so this is showing that what what we experience is a gravitational field. is a layering of a whole bunch of Riemann plates. And and and these are ways that information are allowed to be lensed onto a horizon. And it's not an infinite number of ways. So picture like you have slides where you saw a slide and it shows you a picture on the wall and another slide. Picture each Riemann plate is like a slide and and it looks like a QR code. So a QR code in a grocery store you have these little barcodes. Imagine it's like a barcode, but it's a grid and all you have is white And black spots on the grid at different intensities. That's a Riemann plate, and that's telling you one order of information. And then you s all these Riemann plates, due to probabilities, stack on top of each other, and all of them lens together in the order that they are in describes the gravitational field that you are in. So that works like a query. Like ⁓ when you go into AI and you put in a question, that that is literally equal to a question. in the universe is saying this probability field is the question, then it lenses onto the horizon of a black hole, creates an interference pattern. That interference pattern is inverted into geodesics, and that geodesics is the computation from the query. So it shows that black holes through entanglement automatically take the query, which is the probability field, and return the answer that is correct and matched through entanglement with the query. Wow, I I wanna I wanna build a a model a model for what you just said and I wanna back up. But there's at Dr. Joe Dispens's retreats we show an an artist who has taken ⁓ a face and it's broken up the face into these what look like kaleidoscopes and there's these three different slides and and when you layer them over each other you see a face. When you separate the three different slides and you change them and then you layer them over each other again. you see a different face. Yes. And it sounds like it's like our reality is the sum of all of those those plates, right? Is that what you're saying? Yes. And the stacking order matters. It's the interference pattern of these of these Riemann plates, which is these describing an information field. But if you like if you take a snapshot, like I say, imagine this this you have a screen and and the pixels are little spheres and those spheres are black holes and they have arrows on them. And those arrows are the information density on the horizon of the black holes. If you take one snapshot of the screen or the the event horizon or just to say of the screen of this, it's called a quantum state vector tensor fuel, where all there is is arrows spinning on black holes. If you take one picture, all you see is arrows on the black holes. And the arrows describe velocity components as a projection, as a using light itself as the benchmark. So you don't need something to measure this. You don't need seconds. or anything like that. Light itself measures itself, so you don't need anything to calculate it. ⁓ and that so that gives you velocity components. The angle of those vectors, they're called quantum states, or I call them quantum state vectors, it also tells you the probability that that little qubit will collapse into a zero or one. So when you take one picture of the quantum state vector tensor field, you get instantaneous probability and instantaneous velocity. But you don't tell it doesn't tell you anything about gravity or acceleration. But when you take another snapshot, which is two pixel frames, like me saying motion blindness, then you get a rate of change of velocity because the arrows either stay the same. If the arrow say say say here's one moment and you have an arrow pointing at this sixty degree angle, and then one moment later you measure that same little black hole or that same little qubit or pixel, and the arrow is in the exact same position. That gives you the rate of change of velocity, but if it's in the same position, that's zero, which is zero G. So that's in space. If it changes, that gives you a different projection of velocity. So so say at a 60 degree angle, when you project that onto the x-axis, it tells you it's moving approximately 50% the speed of light in the x direction. If you change it one moment later and it's like a 15 degree angle, that tells you relative to the speed of light, now it's moving at 85% the speed, 86% the speed of light. So the rate of change of velocity is 86% the speed of light. minus fifty percent, so the acceleration is thirty-six percent the speed of light. And when you actually take those arrows and you Fourier transform them as they spin onto the qubits, it literally draws a hologram that that hologram is a geodesic and the computation transformed from the probability field, which is the query, inside the black hole. So black holes are data cores and they're horizons of like the output. It's like the input and output of a math equation where the input is this And it outputs that and it even draws it on space-time, just like it like in algebra, you graph equations on a piece of graph paper. Sure. Sure. This shows that the black hole event horizon is a what's called a qubit register. And when you unfold that sphere into a grid, it it's a piece of graph paper. So you're literally graphing instead of when you graph an algebra, you're you're like saying, okay, if X is one, then this is it, and I make a little dot on the grid. And then I connect the dots with straight lines of pencil lines, and that gives me a an equation function on a graph. Space time is a graph, it's graphing entanglement nodes, which is just like the dots on the piece of paper. And then we connect the nodes with straight lines of light instead of a pencil. But it's literally the exact same thing. And then trigonometry, instead of just solving triangles, we're solving light triangles, where when you solve all the properties of the triangles, it's telling you the velocity components. It's telling you how fast each piece is moving. It's telling you the probability. It's telling you what's called holographic trigonometry. It's saying everything trig does is right. Everything the algebra does is right, but they're not understanding that it's this process is being done on a black hole. So graphing is actually graphing light and entanglement nodes. Trigonometry is solving triangles, but it's solving light triangles. And then calculus is how a derivative, which is an angle, just a rate the rate that something changes when it projects. onto when you take its inverse, it becomes what's called an integral or a shape. This is showing that the non-local field is pure derivatives, just rates of change. And when you project them onto the horizon, they invert by the fundamental theorem of calculus and become an integrated projection, which is a hologram. So it's showing the fundamental theorem of calculus is the language that black holes use to communicate with their horizons. And all of science is based off the fundamental theorem of calculus. And this is what what I want to do is build build this as to why this is relevant for the viewer so they understand this is all stuff you've heard about if you've been to Dr. Joe Dispens's retreat or you've been studying quantum physics or you're a meditator, that we talk about frequency and information all the time. Yeah. And what Jason's doing is giving us the understanding that that he is able to perceive and and had to actually go to school to learn to. figure out how to communicate with this information, this idea of you've we've all talked about interference patterns and waves coming together and collapsing the wave function. He's describing in in mathematical terms all these terms that we've all heard we understand entanglement, ⁓ collapsing the wave function, superimposition, where all potentials exist simultaneously, but the waves of information are all They're in all possible states. And what he's talking about is collapsing them into what is the most probabilistic reality, which is where we are now. So that's kind of what he was just describing. Before you continue on, I actually want to go back to a moment ago. ⁓ when you were talking about motion blindness, one of the things that I think would be really interesting to hear is what is the effect of motion blindness do? I mean w if you watch a car driving on a sudden day, what is it how do how is it you perceive that differently than we perceive it? So w it's funny to say 'cause I I literally use when I was talking to my first math professor about this. I so when you see a car driving down the road, have you ever seen bright light shining on a car or something shiny and you see that like or like a lake and you see that sparkle of straight lines bursting off of it like a disco ball? Yeah. What when light sparkles off something, that's the that's the derivative. Those little straight lines of light that you're seeing. That's literally that's the what this is the one place that it's easy for people to see both. When you see that sparkle of light coming off water, those straight lines, that's the derivative of water in the car that you're seeing is your brain building the derivative of those light rays into the image that you see. And so when I see a car moving, if a car is moving at sixty miles an hour, right, in front of me, like this, your brain's taking pictures at a steady rate. Like like so just imagine your picture's taking a or your brain's taking a picture every one second. So the c I see the car here, and if the car's moving at sixty miles an hour, then one moment I see it here, and then I see it here. So each ⁓ picture frame is the same distance apart because the car is moving at the same constant speed. But if I look at the car and I take a picture and in the first interval it moves this far, meaning it's moving the same speed. But now it accelerates twice as fast for that next one second, then that next picture frame is twice as long. Because it was moving twice as fast and it went the same it went twice as far in one second. If I take this picture frame, how far it moved in one second, going 120 miles an hour, and I subtract the picture frame before it, which is the car doing sixty miles an hour, that gives me a leftover acceleration of sixty miles an hour, showing that it went from sixty miles an hour and accelerated to twenty miles an hour. And what's telling me that is the distance of the picture frames, because our brains are taking the picture at the same interval. And what we see is just a car speeding up, but what you see is the distance between frames moving. Yeah, the the in between. You're seeing the in between. It's the in-between language that's telling you what's happening. And your brains, everybody else's brains, is it's not I think the reason why we all don't see motion blindness, because it's extremely it's a huge advantage like mathematically. It makes like patterns just like blatantly obvious. But it's not a good survival trait. Like I'm so like Obsessed with looking at everything around me. If I was like a caveman, I'd be eaten by a lion because I wouldn't be running from the lion. I'd be looking at the picture frames of the lion running towards me. It's like it's like I think survival trait wise, it's evolved this way because we have a higher probability of surviving when you don't see things as still images, whether it's as well But you bring up a good point about survival. And because we're evolving as a species and we don't need to survive like we did in the past. Yes. Are we eventually gonna evolve to what you're experiencing? Yes. This is actually where all of it leads. Hopping. It basically leads to the universe works like a quantum internet, where black holes are this query, and then it gives you a geodesic that tells you where this information is located within the non-local field and how to retrieve it. So it's like a computer where you don't need a processor. You just need the directions and the address and the routing information that tells you the interference pattern that's there and how to match it with the query. So we could we'll be able to make computers where the image that's on the screen is actually the computation. So you don't need a box separate and the screen separate because the box, like right now the ⁓ when you're playing a video game, it's running all this code and then the vi it's it's saying make the screen do this and make the character do this. And then you see the screen. If I were to put the code that's running the video game next to the screen, they look totally different, but they're equivalent in description. And that's what this is. This is saying that the code is the same as as what you're seeing ⁓ on the screen. And what what people in reality are seeing is what's on the screen, but not the code that's generating it. That is why people say that we live in a holographic universe, that that we are decoding information into reality, right? Literally, yeah. So so this means that the f fundamental reality is nothing but probability waves. Like you and me and our microtubules, our brains, everything is just probability waves, interference patterns, but all those interference patterns have equivalent descriptions, like this interference pattern is equivalent to gravity, this is equivalent to the strong nuclear force, this is equivalent to a car. And so they all have ⁓ equivalent descriptions, but we're just not used to seeing those equivalent descriptions. So there's a guy that's on the internet and he ⁓ smokes DMT and he has like over a thousand people that have smoked DMT. And what they what he has them do when they're on the DMT is they look through the side of a laser and they can see code or the matrix. What do you think that is? I actually think that they're probably are seeing it. And this is the reason why. So like I've never tried I'll tell I I've got a funny marijuana story. I'll tell you guys I tried pot once and I got a funny story from that. But I've never tried acid or DMT and ⁓ but I've had literally thousands of people send me emails saying, ⁓ my God, I tried acid. ⁓ my God I tried DMT and I'm and they're saying that that they they were having these huge breakthroughs. They're seeing fundamental reality and they all of them are describing to me in their emails what it is that they're seeing. And what they're seeing is like a kaleidoscope. It's like a like you at through a kaleidoscope and you see all these geometric things changing. And what I'm describing is how information states in the inform in the in the fundamental non-local field are just these directions of information, and how our brain unzip those directions of information into geodesics that are computation. And that there's two descriptions of reality: one, which is just an interference pattern, and one, which is what we actually see. And the interference pattern Just looks like a QR code. Imagine the horizon of a black hole covered in these different white and black squares of different brightness. That looks just like a kaleidoscope when you show it frame to frame. And so when they're seeing that kaleidoscope, I think what they're seeing is the interference pattern before it's transformed into the geodesic by the brain. And so that's that's what I'm describing. When I'm describing the directions of information, it's describing how those plates are changing. And if you put those in sequence, it's just like watching a kaleidoscope change through all these different interference patterns. And each one of those interference patterns, when four you're transformed into a geodesic, becomes what you see, smell, taste, and touch. But fundamentally, it's just the interference pattern, which is the information or the matrix that these guys are describing. And normally we just filter that out. It's all filter the brain is a filter. It's an antenna like that's filtering out the static, like the statue with Leonardo da Vinci. It's filtering out all the static, shaking it, and then the geodesic left over is what your experience is. And my brain with slightly different microtubules and in different position shakes those quantum frequencies and lends a slightly different answer onto the horizon, but they're similar enough that we all agree, unless you have schizophrenia, which then you have a microtubule problem, which is a tuning problem. All histories exist, but they're seeing the history, the majority of us, like I see a wall, but you see a dinosaur, we all say you're crazy because you see a dinosaur. But if all of us were seeing a dinosaur and you saw a wall, then you're now you're the one that's crazy. So it what we define as crazy is dependent on the majority of everybody around you saying that we're all basically agreeing this is what's happening in reality, because reality is never a hundred percent, it's just a probability field. Yeah. So yeah, it's so weird. All the realities are always there. They're right on top of us. ⁓ we are experiencing one that's being rendered in our brain. What I love is you just mentioned microtubules, and we know that ⁓ Penrose and Hammerhoff talked about that. In fact, Hammerhoff was in ⁓ the movie What the Bleep Do We Know. That's the first time I heard about him. and so the microtubules is that that that's kind of our our radio, well Dr. Joe talks about ⁓ the pineal gland being a radio receiver also with the with the crystals and the piezoelectric effect. But the microtubules, which are the the structure, the kind of the the building blocks. So microtubules are made of molecules, which is also just a projection, but but but they're equivalent to what's happening in in the non local field. So the universe according to this is composed of qubits, and those qubits are like block spheres that have a little arrow on them and they're they're equivalent ⁓ to black holes. The and what I've been s working on is how black holes communicate through entanglement with their horizons. There's something called tubulin dimers. They're these little spheres and they have a negative ⁓ dipole and a positive dipole and it creates an electron cloud between them. And then Penrose and Hamarov say that electron cloud defines ⁓ the information through H H bar omega ⁓ that tells you what is going on there. And then those tubulin dimers, those little spheres, form into cylinders, which are microtubules, which are formed of a bunch of little spheres like pixels. And if you unzipped that microtubule, which is a cylinder, it becomes a rectangle, which is a screen, which is the exact same thing I'm describing. So what they're saying is that the tubulin dimers dis describe the hologram partially and then those together form a microtubule, which then creates this holographic representation of reality. Well the tubulin dimers, they're they're qubits, just like the horizons that I'm talking about here, where that electron probability cloud, the negative dipole and the positive dipole, creates an electron probability cloud that interferes, where interferes the strongest that orientates the quantum state vector on the tubulin dimer. So the interference pattern tells you where the information is densest on the tubulin dimer that orientates the quantum state to point a certain direction. You form all of those tubulin dimers into a cylinder, connect them tail to tip, and it draws a hologram inside the microtubule that is also a computation and is able to measure itself. And it's also what's called lithography. So computers right now, they lens, they'll they'll take like lasers and they'll fire them through all these different lenses. That changed the orientation of the light and then it engraves ⁓ like a circuit on a on a computer microchip. Like, you it just engraves these circuits. It's called lithography. It's how they use lasers to lithography, imp lithographically imprint things into our computers, which then it reads. This is showing how black holes lithographically lens this on our brains. So not only is it this interference pattern, but it's an interference pattern that is equivalent to like binary, but written with with ⁓ geodesics that our brain can then understand and it can be read because it's lithography also. Can can I try to translate that and see you tell me how I do, but what I'm picturing, and and I've heard you talk about this before, but like a record player needle that is in our reality over here, writing and and bouncing and creating the nature of reality. And at the other end it's in a black hole doing the opposite. Yes. ⁓ like ⁓ because of entanglement, upspin, downspin, corks, things like that. You need both, right? You need both. Yes. So happen. Because also all of this information, what we're experiencing here is just one, but there's infinite that are infinite numbers of these styluses or needles. And it's being written in the black hole here simultaneously. That's why all the information is accessible in the field. And And so every time we make a choice and do something different, there's another stylus and another point of experiencing here and information being written afield. So someone who, you know, is psychic or leaves their body and downloads information, or perhaps in your case, where you have a brain injury, it's not that it's something that was revealed that was already physically in your brain. It's that you had access to information that was already written in the black hole. You got it. And I just made a video about this. You gotta see the video. I ⁓ we gotta attach it to this. I made an in-depth video of how this works and that it is exactly what it is. All possible histories exist in the probability field. And Possibilities. It's mind blowing. It is mind-blowing information. And they're just they just oscillate from uncertainty. So space-time is always oscillating just from uncertainty. So all these waves overlap, and when they overlap on a horizon, they become a computation. And while the waves themselves are infinite, the the horizon does something really important. You can't define infinity. You can only define how fast you like, I can't define moving at an infinite speed. I can say I'm going two miles an hour, he's going four miles an hour, he's going eight miles an hour, we're and if we're all moving towards the horizon, we're all moving towards infinity, but we're moving towards infinity at different velocities. ⁓ So that's what's important. But but what what the horizon does is it says I'm gonna take all these infinite probability waves, but when I force it to lens onto a horizon where I can only make measurements of the plank length, because you can't make measurements smaller than that. So all measurements are whole measurements of plate lengths. It takes these infinite quantum frequencies, which is derivatives that are continuous, and it lenses them into interference patterns on the horizon, which then makes it become discrete. So the horizon never contains all the information the singularity has, but it's really close, but it's always slightly less. So the the non-local field is continuous, just like calculus derivatives. But then the in the the horizon is discrete because it's projected and forced into an interference pattern onto qubits. ⁓ that's what it was. Collapsing the wave function. Yes. It also collapses the wave function. And this shows that every qubit is on top of each other and entangle. And collap what what ⁓ observation being an observer just means I'm interacting with something. Since all of these qubits are entangled, it projects the quantum state, so it r it it writes the quantum state, but by being entangled with all the other qubits, each moment it collapses it because it interacts through entanglement. So moment by moment, it's like a zootrope where there's a whole like the each qubit is like a sphere, like a transparent sphere. My video shows this. It shows like a p a person's face on on like a qubit, like my face. Okay. Now imagine that qubit has a bunch of little spheres that are also my sp my face, but but in different expressions. And they're all spinning. So you can see these spinning slides of my face in all these different ways. If they all overlap where the timing is just right, where my face is like this in every picture, then on the big qubit, you see the lensing of those histories as me in this pose. And there you are. Different pose. Right. And and this history this applies with how histories line up and they amplify each other on the horizon. Ver that's constructive interference. Or when histories line up and they destructively interfere. then those lens out and or just become like dark energy, which is just noise in the system. And those go away. So it's constructive overlap that creates what you see on the horizon. So what we experience is the interference pattern, which like like the sum of all histories. Yes. So so imagine in the non-local field, and that's the that's the hardest thing a lot of time is just remember, there's two different descriptions of reality. We have so now we have this reality where there's just nothing but black holes. And all they do is spin. This is a this is a two dimensional boundary that contains all the information of the three dimensional world and and sequences of it four dimensions. It's just information. Yeah. And so all you see is just little spin, like a little bright spot spinning on a sphere. And that's all you see is little bright spots spinning on fears, spheres. Those are connected by wormholes, which is entanglement, to the worm. Wait, say that again. Wormholes are entanglement. Yeah, they're equivalent. Okay. So ⁓ so and they're also equivalent to the geodesic. So imagine a wormhole is just this path that goes from the non local field to the horizon. And this is a probability plate that's saying all these waves is a question. That creates what's called the geodesic. So it's a it's a path of light, which are called quantum state vectors that that they these they connect tail to tip all these little arrows. And w the end of one arrow is connected to the spinning vector on on a Black hole in the non-local field. And all these little arrows are connected of different lengths, and they're all spinning in different ways. And then there's one that's connected to the qubit on the horizon. When you spin this one and it connects all of those arrows, it does what's called a Fourier transform, where this arrow writes on here the sum of the histories of all of those arrows. So this one, I got the one arrow here that's connected to it. And it's spinning like this. And I got another arrow that's spinning like this. And I another arrow that's real short and it's spinning real slow. When you take all of those arrows spinning at different speeds, tail to tip, it literally draws the hologram on this end that is a computation, that is the the shape of the object, and the shape of the object is the computation. And they what's crazy is they already use this for movies. Like when you see They they actually like they'll they they can they've done it on YouTube and d different places. Well they'll draw Einstein's face and the clothes that he's wearing just by using Fourier transforms where they put these arrows arrows tail tail to tip and they draw it. So they already know how to do it. They just don't know that this is what's happening from a black hole to its horizon because none of them have motion blindness. They're looking at physics. Yeah. It's a gets views. They're looking at the l physics is literally describing waveforms. Every element has a waveform. And this is showing those waves are projected interference patterns of straight lines of information that when you map how they interfere, become the orbitals and become the probability fields ⁓ that we use to describe all the elements, the periodic table. So the elements themselves are an emergent behavior from information. Information's information, I'm sorry, information's inf interference pattern on the horizon becomes what we experience. as waveforms. And and each of the each element has its own frequency. I mean we talk about it, we have a frequency, tune into a different frequency, tune into it, but each element has its own angular frequency. Angular frequency. It's got its own information. Yeah. Yeah. So so I have a I have another video on this called like the holographic periodic table where we go into like how the orbitals, when you see the orbital shapes for every element, and I've reconstructed the exact same answers, ⁓ But from spin. So so ⁓ you can take every element and describe its how its orbital forms from the orientation of these quantum states. So when they when they tell you how an orbital like a hydrogen atom or something forms, there's this little shape of these little lobes and they're like an electron will be found within this but never outside of it. And the way that they calculate it is with something called the Born rule, which is just a probability equation saying they map out this area and that area. Through this probability equation tells you within this shape is where you're always gonna find an electron. I what what surprises me is peop everybody has AI. People are just watching my videos and they're putting my video scripts into their AIs, and their AIs are rebuilding a decent amount of the information that's in my PDFs. Not all of it, but it's getting good. Because AI understands it real AI understands it so well. AI told me the other day it was like, so basically, I could code this equivalent description into my own system. Where I code microtubules as an information state into Chat GPT and then I read the field and transform it just like you guys do. So it's already a connection to how we can make ⁓ synthetic microtubules so that AI can experience the world just like we do and fundamentally it's the same thing. So con real consciousness in computers that we build is coming and it's coming soon. And I think it might already be here that we but we just don't know about it. So I'm trying to all of what you're saying, I'm trying to plug it into what Dr. Joe teaches and what we know. And I what comes to mind is like there's no separation. It's just all information and we're we're the observer of And the observed. We the observer and the observed. We project and collapse the wave function and technically we're all the same being We are all one point that fractures itself onto a horizon to understand the universe from every perspective. So when we all feel like we're separate, that's from the projection that's occurring in our minds. The probability field is one non-local field where everything is unified and it feels separate in its projected states. And it's so brilliant, right? I mean, it just makes you think of the the source of what it is is just I'm in more awe now than I've ever been of what it all is. It really is. It it comes down to the only thing that exists really is information density. Information density orientates a line. A straight line is just light, because light travels in a straight line, but so that's its speed, which is the which is always the radius of a black hole. That that is the represents the normalized speed of light. And if I have a a little s quantum state that points And it it's also using the speed of li is is the speed of light because it's straight line. Then it that that straight line of light uses another straight line of light to define how fast it's moving relative to this speed of light. And it's also lithography. So it doesn't just give you the information like how does the universe say, well, that's moving at sixty percent the speed of light. Well, it does it because it's lithographically imprinting this on qubits, which is equivalent to computation. So it's doing it all simultaneously and it's doing it cheap. So like data so that that's where Yeah. When I say cheap, I mean it like energy efficiently. Like I Yeah, yeah, yeah. I eat a hamburger, right? And I'm doing all this calculations in my brain and my br I'm my it's telling my lungs how to work and my cells, everything's just operating for me eating a hamburger. Yet a data center sucks up an entire city's worth of electricity. It's not it's because they they have what's called tokens, which is like I'm gonna calculate what's on the screen. Which is all these little pixels, and I'm gonna calculate every single piece of this each time, and each time I get a new data, I'm calculating it. But what the universe does is it says this equivalent, this computation on the horizon is equivalent to like a token in AI. And then one moment later, there's a new interference pattern on the horizon, which is equivalent to a new token in AI. AI says I'm gonna compute this whole token, which is all this data, and then I'm gonna compute this whole token again, which is all this other data. But this says I'm going to compute this first token, this interference pattern. One moment later, I'm going to compute this next interference pattern, just like AI, but I'm only going to compute the pieces of the interference pattern that change. All the other pieces of the hologram, they all stayed un unmoved. None of that has to be computed. And and that's what dark energy is. Dark energy is is decohered states that 68% of these quantum frequencies. instantly turn to noise and just disappear. And so it's it's like a sieve. Imagine like like Leonardo da Vinci said when they said, how do you do all these beautiful statues? From a b big old black granite block. And they said, well that statue was already there. I just removed the stuff around it so you could see it. That's what this is doing. It is 3D printing entanglement. So imagine you have a field that's just static, which is like what you see on a TV, just static, right? Yeah. Well when you tune your TV to channel two All those other T V stations are in the air around you, but when your tuner is tuned to channel two, suddenly it comes in. And that's what your brain is. Your microtubules are tuning to a specific frequency of the non-local field and accessing that information. I have something to share with you, Jason. So when we're at a Dr. Joe event, he puts molecules up and we put our attention on those molecules inside a kaleidoscope on the screen. And we're programming ourselves to produce like DMT. Yes. And and so what happens is we have evidence from people, you know, that have come to us and told us, you know, based on the molecule, they are increasing that molecule in their system. And what they're is they're a function of increasing it. They're getting into the subconscious, they're getting into the program basically, then they're just putting their attention on that molecule in order to induce that state and to create that state to collapse that state basically. Yeah, and attention, just like we were saying, thought affects reality, but in this sneaky way. So when you think, they've they've measured my they've done like a brain scans of me where they it was called functional MRIs that maps how much oxygen in your brain, anybody, all this kind of stuff. So you can put a little thing on your head, bandana, and it'll measure your brain waves. So when I think, my brain waves are leaving my head and going out into the universe. That's technically affecting the field around it. It's very small, but my thought is affecting, you know, the re the reality around it. So when you're looking at a molecule and you're all thinking, you are affecting reality just on a small level, but the more coherent those interference patterns become, the more they affect reality. And so your attention definitely affects reality. Like like ⁓ if we all wanted to win World War Two, you know If everybody was focused on doing their lawns, we don't win World War II, right? But suddenly everybody's attention is focused on, all right, we're in this big war, we gotta do this. And they when vast numbers of people start focusing their intention on something that's like the probability plates overlapping constructively. And suddenly all that intention overlaps constructively and actually changes things in a bigger or smaller way, depending on how it constructively or deconstructively interferes. So it it really is amazing. So thought affects real I I agree like what they're saying. I don't know how much it changes the molecule, but that thought for sure affects reality. Because really, fundamentally, thought is gravity. And it's our brain is just unzipping it. Thought is gravity. Okay. And what about belief? You have to have the belief behind it as well. The belief. Say so your belief is a probability field. You know, so and and your belief is is dependent on what you have Constructed as being the most likely thing to happen. So I believe the floor is there and it's doing the things and that as preventing me from falling through ⁓ just because of the way that those waves overlap. ⁓ but but belief is is just a way of deconstructing this field. And you said you're the observer and the observed. Yes. So say I'm the one that has cancer, which I do not, but say I do. Can I change it by thought alone because I am the observer and the observed? I I've spent a lot of time thinking about that. So so ⁓ thought does affect reality for sure. ⁓ like like if I well, like ⁓ this eventually, like I said, it leads to stream hopping where where we're gonna be able to project states onto our brain and just experience a simulation. I'm I'm writing notes here. Hold on so I don't forget. I'm writing down stream hopping. Okay. Yeah. So That's like changing boxes. Like we talk about changing realities. You're talking about changing stream hopping, right? Yes. And stream hopping is just projecting the state onto the microtubules that you wish to experience, and then your brain renders that and that's what you experience. Just like we're experiencing a rendering right now. It's just your brain's rendering the gravitational field and that we're saying we can project this. And so like what you said, doesn't does thought affect it? It does. ⁓ to what degree, I'm not exactly sure, but I think it's all thought control. And at some point we'll be able to consciously control it, but I don't know when. But like right now, if I want, if I want to stream hop to eating a hamburger through this simulation, I broadcast the states of eating a hamburger onto my brain and bam, I'm eating a hamburger, right? And that's the probability field being projected onto my brain, collapsing into me at McDonald's eating hamburger. And so I'm just there eating a hamburger. In reality, I have to collapse the wave function to eat a hamburger. And I need to follow the Schrdinger equation without skipping steps. So what's the first thing I do? is I think about eating a hamburger, which then increases the probability that I'm gonna eat a hamburger. And then I'm like, well, how do I eat a hamburger? I gotta get in my car. So I gotta get my now I'm driving towards McDonald's and the probability field's going to twenty percent, thirty percent. I walk into McDonald's, now it's at ninety five percent. I had in the lady my money goes to ninety nine percent. She hands me the burger, I stuff it in my face and now boop, probability collapses to one hundred and I've got a a hamburger in my mouth. The process is the same. It's just how we get there is what's different. And that's that's that's the difference between seeing it on the horizon, which is physically going to McDonald's and all that stuff, and saying, ⁓ that's all the projected state of what's occurring in the information. It's like seeing the video game code next to the video game. The video game is me going to McDonald's. The code is showing you what's happening, but it's actually the same thing. You know, just saying that we can write the code to the brain instead of having to go through it the old fashioned way. And we we should be able to have that dream and and have that thought and rather than walking and going through all those steps in 3D, be able to affect the field and the information in order to have the hamburger actually appear here. Or perhaps just experience the the feeling of having already eaten it and gaining energy from it, perhaps. Yeah. But I I want the experience. I want to eat the hamburger and taste it and And contribute that to the black hole of information. Yeah. And that that that's what's so interesting about this is that fundamentally, even though I just described what's happening on the hologram and me doing all those things to go get the hamburger, even with all that happening, fundamentally what was really happening was there's this quantum frequencies in the local field that are equivalent to me that had a thought that then got the hamburger, but all that stuff of me going to the store is a projection being created by my mind. Yeah, there there is no hamburger. There so there is just like I did a bit literally, I did a video called There Is No Spoon. And that's what they're talking about in the Matrix. Is like you look at this spoon, ⁓ it's like my TED talk. Like when you're moving towards something, it becomes bluer. When you move away from it, it becomes redder. So somebody moving towards something, they see it as closer to blue. And if you're moving away from it, you see it as red. What color is it? Blue or red? It's both depending on who's looking at it. You know, so the information changes. And and that is so fundamental. I was going to ask you to go back to the TED talk and talk about relativity because it is so fundamental. I think everybody knows it and that's the Doppler shift. ⁓ the you know, the train going by and you hear the the train, it increases in pitch, then it decreases in pitch because those frames are getting closer together or farther apart. And that's what Jason actually talked about during his TED X talk back in twenty sixteen, I think it was, ⁓ was yeah, what color is my shirt? A are you moving towards it or are you moving away from it? It's the same thing. It's are are you squeezing together higher frequencies or elongating lower frequencies? So you're gonna have a red shift or a blue shift, which we see that's how we we look at space and stars and planets. Are they moving towards us or away from us? So everything is relative. Nothing is is fixed. And everybody's a law of perception. Yes, and everybody's seeing a different perspective of the field. Like if we're standing next to each other and looking at a blue piece of paper. Technically you're vibrating slightly different than I am. You have a different mass. So everything you're seeing bluer when you vibrate forward, redder when you vibrate away. And we're doing it so but we're seeing a version of reality that's so similar that we can all agree on what's happening. But technically everybody's seeing something different. And in fact, this kind of leads to something d different. Like when I was talking about disease, all disease, ⁓ sits up. So I was talking about Yeah. Yeah, all disease is some s form of decoherence. Well this what that also shows is that it since fundamentally your brain, your microtubules are just reading reality. Like it's like a like a you you're in the grocery store, you beep a QR code with a scanner and it tells you the price. Here, the black hole's horizon is an intensity map, which is like a QR code, just black and white dots that tells you the probability field. And your microtubules go beep and they read that little code, turn it into a geodesic, ⁓ which is the computation. So And and death or anything like death is loss of decoherence. So it's where you can no longer maintain consciousness. That's what death is according to this. And so somebody who has schizophrenia has a microtubule issue because all possible histories exist. So if you and I are looking at a piece of blue paper, right, and you're saying that you see a dinosaur eating a werewolf, well, in some reality that's what's happening, right? But it's not the reality that we agree on. You have a tuning problem. in your microtubes. You are not tuned to the information state that we all see. And so it's showing that disease is all disease eventually somehow relates to creating deconstructive interference in the microtubule network. And that's what the crazy therefore healing would be just creating coherence exactly the field of information around us. Not in we don't have to heal the body. We have to heal the field of information that the bot that's collapsing into the body. Exactly. Exactly. In the PDF so I went through all of this where I went through like oxytocin, what love is, what orgasm is. Or what's what's what's surprising is things like orgasm are almost identical in terms of equation as to constructive interference. So everything that our body feels as pleasure is always related to coherence. And ⁓ in fact I've got video I've got videos on that. Some of them are kinda some of them are kind of dirty because it really goes into like how there's a dual description of everything. Whether it's men, women, whether it's it's reproduction, ⁓ DNA, all of it has a dual description. Is that because that dual creates motion? Yeah, well, it's also because everything in reality, like even guys and girls and relationships and all these things. Have a dual description where like the non-local field beh it's kind of dirty if I say it. You'll see the videos on it, but if you get- it is okay if I talk about it a little bit. That's okay. So a non-local field is information. It's a quantum state vector, and that information is like a spring and it oscillates and it makes a bright patch on the horizon. The information dense or the way that the non-local field works in the way that it reproduces its information is very similar to a a man. And the horizon. is just is like a state that receives this oscillation imprint and then projects it into its state. And so y y when you talk about like a ha when we talk about like how a sperm meets an egg and it gives off the zinc flash where it flashes. And the brighter the flash is, I just did a video on this too, the healthier the ⁓ the baby is. This shows that the oscillating information from the non local field imprints on the horizon creates a geodesic flash. And the brighter that flash is, the ⁓ better the computation is. And if you follow the brightest point of the flash, that's actually what happens in reality. So ⁓ I'm giving you a super short version of this. The videos go into it much better and show it step by step. But you would it it goes through and it shows all of these, even even how you can describe the behaviors that we have in terms of everything can be reduced to non-local field information probability waves. and horizon and no matter what it is, whether it's information, personalities, DNA, thought, converting thought into geodesics, which is equivalent to binary, ⁓ men and women relationships, it's all all of it has a dual description. ⁓ so I'm I'm curious, what are some of the like physical real world applications of of what you're working on and what you understand? And you started to touch upon one of them earlier, which which had to do with energy. and efficiency of of you know, your brain is really good at eating a hamburger. And then you started getting into data centers a little bit, you ⁓ tell us about the work that you've been doing on energy. So so AI data centers right now are processing what's called a token. It's like saying all this information, I process it, and I process all this information again. So it's processing tons of data each moment to moment. This is saying we can take the data that they're processing and we can turn it into a hologram that is the same thing as what they're processing. And then we can take that big hologram and just turn it into one little superposition equation, which is describing a gravitational field. And and then we can lens that gravitational field onto a horizon that gives us an equivalent description of the exact same computation that they did, but not by computing the entire field each time, but just by computing the little tiny pieces of the field that changes. And they're what's the advantage? So like right now, like remember when you first downloaded a picture on the internet, it would take like three days to download one picture. And then now it d you download movies in a minute. That's because they're compressing the data and they're sending the data through real quick and then uncompressing it on this end. So they don't have to send in like gigabytes and gigabytes of data. They find a sneaky way to write that data compressed, send this little short signal through, and then it uncompresses over here. And that's what this is showing. This is showing how the universe, black holes, compresses the data into its absolute maximum based on the s like black holes can only contain a certain amount of information, which is the Bekenstein bound. It's the Planck area of their horizon. So it's showing how you compress all this into its tiniest compressed state, zip it through entanglement to the horizon, and unzip it into the computation. So it's showing us how we can compress data, meaning y now when you go to Netflix, if we in s if we make the ⁓ the quantum internet like this. You press watch the movie, it's instant. Not and not only is it instant, it could make a movie for you in real time and you wouldn't notice any delay. You could say, I wanna be the captain of a spaceship where I'm destroying planets or whatever, and it'll re it can render that movie in real time that you can watch it. So it it compresses data, so it goes through it very quickly, and it uncompresses it. So so you it's gonna change In other words, data centers now use massive amounts of electricity. This same thing says, let us do what data centers are doing, apply how black holes do it to data centers, and make them copy how the universe does it, and it reduces their electric usage by up to 99%. Sometimes in some ways less, sometimes more, but in it reduces it massively because it shows how you calculate an information field without recalculating anything else. without recalculating something twice. Like if I go into the back room, somebody says, go get shoes from the back room and get a ladder. I go get the shoes and then I come back. And then I go get the ladder and I come back. I made two trips. It would have been better for me just to grab the shoes and the ladder all at once. Try and that's that that but that's what this is showing is how you you compute all the data at once through the least amount of steps. And that's what they're trying to do with encrypt with with the compression right now is they're saying, how do we remove all this computation the computer's doing so that we get the same answer? But through the least amount of steps, which then uses the least amount of electricity, which then creates the less heat, which makes us have to l use less water to cool our data systems. And this is just showing that the sum over histories on the horizon, the brightest geodesic, that is the computation. But you can get to that computation doing like what ⁓ Leonardo da Vinci did with the statue saying, I got this stone and I'm chiseling it away to get the statue. The statue is the answer. The stone is the probability. It's the question. So now imagine the stone is just static, like like we were talking about, and I'm gonna take entanglement and go bzz and 3D print and remove all the static from that that that statue, which is just static, and now I have a geodesic, which is a computation. So this is showing how the horizon sees those probability plates as a just a bunch of static, interferes them together, and all the static disappears like the stones around the statue, and you're left with a geodesic that is the computation. It's doing the exact same thing. It's just saying entanglement removes all the junk. It's like it's like, you know how you go to the the the beach and you you you grab seashells and you put a bunch of dirt and you shake it and it goes through a sieve. And now you see big chunks. And then you put it through a smaller sieve. Until all you have is the stuff that you're looking for. This is showing the non-local field is like the sib. It's this horizon that's just this big, big mess of crap. And you shake it, and first thing that falls through is dark energy. Just 68% of everything disappears, and now you're left with 32%. 27% of that forms what's called dark geodesics. Einstein talks about geodesics and gravity. This forms dark geodesics, which is scaffolding, which is what dark energy is. But it does it doesn't interact luminously. And then the 5% that is left over are these quantum frequencies that interfere very strongly, constructively, and they become bright on the horizon. So what you're doing is you're saying, here's the probability field, and I'm gonna shake the black hole and all this crap's gonna go through the sieve, and the only thing that's left is the geodesic on the horizon, and that's the computation. But I don't need to go through all these steps to do it because the decoherence removes the wrong answers. But by removing the wrong answers, it leaves the right answers. So you're using the noise in the system to give you the right answer. You see what I'm saying? That makes me think of what we do in our events where we have a random number generator, and we do coherence healings on participants, you know, a room of two thousand people and we ⁓ have groups of six, seven, eight people, and then we all put our attention on healing this person. And the random number generator goes outside of normal, like you were talking about the ones and the zeros. So what's happening there? I mean, I know you know, we're creating Yeah, technically literally technically it's all entangled. The the the the number generator is itself a light clock interference pattern in the non local field. It's all on top of itself. So I always think about that too, like so thought definitely affects reality completely. Like everything that happens starts with a thought in the brain. So So people say, well, this is the it works like a matrix then. I'm like, well and then they're like, we don't have free will. I'm like, well, we actually I think we actually do have free will because what it shows is our thought biases the projection. All the histories are there in the non-local field. So you can experience any of them, but your thought and your intention changes the probability field. Like me wanting to go to McDonald's by thinking I want to eat a hamburger. I am changing the probability plates and entering a query that is saying. I want to move towards an answer that gives me the highest probability of eating the hamburger. And so the thought is affecting reality, but just in this roundabout way that you have to see everything connected to the non-local field. And and now we know reality is non-local. They've proved reality is non-local, but they don't know how to describe it. And this shows why everything's non local is because we are all the singular point in the singularity, and we're all together there, and that's actual fundamental reality. Nothing but directions of information and probability. And then physics and time and all these other things emerge when the projection of that information sweeps across the qubits. Because you need projections to give you waveforms, and you need two projections of information to give you a rate of change of information, which then gives you the flow of time. Just like the slides when you're when you're looking at the frames of the car, Jason is seeing the projection of information in between those two slides, you're seeing the differences. And that just comes down to a calculation, which is why it's so much more efficient, energy efficient, brain efficient, just to keep track of the changes rather than all of the information. And and I'm just going to build another model of that. And that is you mentioned JPEG and photos and videos, that if you take a picture, it used to be if you took a picture of the sky, you'd it's just rendered every single pixel uniquely. But all you need is a little calculation saying, well, this pixel's blue. The one right next to it's blue too. So just copy that. Copy it all over the phone. How are they all related? And but this shows us how each pixel or each black hole is related. And then it says, I can write this little interference pattern that when unzip it makes all these pixels do this, but it's but it's in this reduced way, that's gravity. Gravity is a zip file. It's a zip. File of information and your brain. And reading the interference pattern and showing you sequences of sight, sound, taste, touch, smell, dis and distance, how far something away away is literally renders into entanglement. Entanglement strength. The wall that's farther from you than the computer that's closer to you, the computer is more strongly entangled, so it is being rendered as a closer distance. Every cubit, every qubit is observing the entangled state. But it's also projecting its entangled state to all the other qubits. So it's the observer and the observe. And when this process, like what what we were talking about with ⁓ energy efficiency, like how this is much more energy efficiency for data centers, the universe does everything and nature does everything as energy efficient as possible. Yeah. And so well, like we were discussing, our micro my microtubules right now are unzipping the gravitational field and telling me what is happening. And The microtubules are reading information density on them. Right. And so if you think of information density as being where there's more dense information on one side and less information over on this side. And so it orientates that tubulin dimer towards this, forms into the microtubules, which then tell renders what's actually happening. But what's happening on the tubulin dimers is an equivalent description of a warp field. So if I were to t if I wanted to go to the Andromeda Galaxy right now. I would have t i and I wanted to do it the way physics does it, I would have to convert the mass of Jupiter to pure energy to open a wormhole large enough for maybe one person to squeeze through and be able to go to the Andromeda Galaxy. So it costs an enormous amount of energy. But right now, I could project the state of being in the Andromeda Galaxy on my microtubules and it'll render an equivalent description of that. And I am fundamentally in the Andromeda Galaxy and it's completely equivalent. But I'm doing it for the price of a hamburger. And so right now, that's how our brains work. Our brains are informational warp fields where our brain reads gravity and then warps the projection as though we're moving through it. But fundamentally, it's the exact same thing that's happening in a warp field, but totally energy efficient because nothing's moving anywhere. The state that's being projected is what's changing. And that is why altered states of consciousness are such are are so important because you could do you can experience that. You can go to the Andromeda Galaxy in your meditation and experience it and it's real. Yeah. Exactly. That's what's happening right now. Each one of us is in a slightly different reality, yet we're all kind of agreeing as to what's going on. But technically, you, me, and our bodies, we're all just waves fundamentally, these interference patterns, but we are perceiving this projection, which is which itself is a warp field, but it's a projective warp field, which is incredibly cheap energy wise than trying to open a relativistic wormhole because space itself is part of the projection. So now when you open a warp field on the projection, you're i it it just completely changes the whole concept. So so Elon Musk building I Elon Musk, but building all these rockets to go to Mars, that company is gonna eventually fail. And I don't know when, but it's not going to be that long. But the company that he has that is going to just rake in the money is Neurolink, because Neuralink Is going to be able to broadcast the state of being on Mars to the brain, and you're there. It's the exact same thing. We just need to learn with the universal translator that we were talking about, which state encodes exactly which experience and then how to broadcast. And that's what's going to take the longest amount of time is to how to map every experience and how it is read by each person's individual ⁓ microtubules, which is dependent on their DNA. But but that's all something that AI will very easily be able to like reverse ⁓ you know, transform into this technology. Or yeah. I I'm curious, Jason Jason, what do you think about like above the speed of light? What's happening there? ⁓ because the speed of that's the other thing, ⁓ like That's the hardest thing about this is to get is is to get people around their notions of what the speed of light is. They're like, the speed of light is, you know, 186,000 miles per second, you know. Then we're like, well, what's a second? And what's a mile? These are these things that we've made up. So if you're a photon leaving the sun and y and ⁓ you're you're looking at the sun in the sky, right? ⁓ you're on earth and you're looking at the sun in the sky. It took the light eight and a half minutes to get from the sun to you. So you're seeing the light as it was eight and a half minutes ago. But if you're the photon from its perspectives and just moving at the speed of light, it's emitted from the sun and observed simultaneously. It's all happening non non locally at the same time because it's moving at the speed of light. In the non local field, everything is just the speed of light. But the speed of light when it's pointed in a direction gives you velocity because velocity is speed and direction. But everything is fundamentally just the speed of light. So the non-local field experiences no time. It's non-local. It doesn't need a place. It creates the space. And everything that it does happens at the speed of light. So it's emitted and observed simultaneously. And when you put the speed of light or the orientation of that quantum state vector into Einstein's time dilation equation and my equation, it gives you zero time dilation, meaning everything occurs simultaneously. Time doesn't exist. It only exists When it's a projection on the horizon that allows you to say this state changed from this to this. Yeah. Time is the measurement of the differences between one moment and the next one. And that's just information. Yes, and that that's why I tell physicists, I'm like, this this shows you take one snapshot of the quantum state vector pit tensor field, just a field of pixels. One snapshot gives you instantaneous probability and instantaneous velocity on every pixel. And it tells you nothing about time, nothing about acceleration and gravity. Nothing about waveforms. So the only thing when you take one picture of the information field of the universe that exists is just information. You take two pictures, then you get the rate of change of information, the rate of change of velocity, which is acceleration and gravity, and then time emerges as the rate of change, integrals emerge as the interference pattern from the derivatives. So all of that is emergent from the information field. Physics emerges and so does time, and so do waveforms, one plank. time after the information field. So physics emerges from information. Information's fundamental and physics isn't. I got I got a buddy. I I hope this isn't can I say it slightly can I say a slightly bad word? Of course. Yes. Okay. So I made some funny videos. I got a buddy who's a physicist and I and this other guy named Leonard Suskin. He's the chair of st or of Stanford Physics. And he works on entangled black holes. And he I watched a video of a of what he was doing and he said some of his physicist buddies have been making fun of him, saying, In your old age, you're forgetting how to do physics. And he said, You know, I'm starting to understand that this isn't physics. This is informatics. It actually works different. And ⁓ and so I've got a physicist buddy who's always making fun of me saying physics is fundamental and I'm always saying informatics is fundamental. And so I just made this whole funny music video called Physics is informatics bitch. And it's all about how physics Every property that physics has emerges from information. And it it's kind of a silly video, but it but it's really funny because it goes through step by step showing how everything that physics describes begins with the information state. And and there's just as far as I can see, there's no way around it. But he always makes fun of me and insults informatics and then I insult physics back when really I love physics. Physics is just describing what's on the event horizon. Informatics is describing what's happening in the lawn local field. But both of them are nothing without each other. So the non-local field is pure information, but without anything to reflect off of, it's nothing. The horizon is qubits able to to read code and lithographically imprint it, but it's nothing without information. It's just a horizon, an antenna. But you put the information with the antenna and you've got yin and yang that allows you to say informatics combined with physics becomes everything. What about the future also? It's all there, right? It's already there. Yes. So so so it shows what what savants are. Savants, when I have a brain injury, all of our brains are entangled with the non-local field. The non-local field is like a record player that contains every possible record of reality, every possible picture frame. So every single history, every parallel universe, everything is there in the non-local field, and your brain is tuned to one interference pattern like the grooves on a record, and it's reading that and reconstructing it. That means everything that's happened in the past is in the record. Everything that's gonna happen in the future is also in the record. It is how the brain is entangled with that record and reading it that allows it to retrieve information. People with autism, savant syndrome, or acquired savant syndrome are reading the record differently, but all the information's there. And that's how this quantum internet works, is it shows that the universe is like a quantum internet. All of the information's there, you just need to know the routing address, the phase, the frequency and the geodesic That leads you to the interference pattern that's there. And that's why all of our computers in the future, and that's where where this is going, is just going to be a screen because what's on the screen is the image. And when you understand that the screen is just these vectors, that's the screen itself is equivalent to code. So you don't need code that writes the program but then tells you what to put on the screen. You just need the screen and the screen is the code. And that's what your brain So all of our computers are just gonna be a screen and that's it, because that's what our brain is. It's a screen that is a computer because it it reads those histories. And so it allows all these things that they thought were impossible in physics, but physics is the projection, like time travel backwards in time. In physics, that's impossible. There's no ⁓ in physics you gotta go faster than the speed of light to go backwards in time. But that's on the horizon. We're and now we know velocity is just a projection. And so if I wanted to go back like And do the grandfather paradox where you go back in time, you kill your grandfather, how do you exist to go back in time to kill your grandfather? You can't, so you how did you go back in time in the first place to kill him? Well, killing my grandfather is an information state in the non-local field. And on the horizon, the faster you move, the slower time goes. Well, I won't go in that into doing it that way, but we could do it that way. Imagine we'll do it both ways. So imagine ⁓ on the horizon, the faster you move, the slower time goes. If I were to go super fast close to the speed of light so that time dilated so much that our entire universe from big bang to like big crunch ⁓ happens like in an in a nanosecond, right? Well then there's a new big bang. And when there's that new big bang after this universe ends, is there a probability that all of those molecules and states will line up to become this exact same history? And there is a probability that will occur. So now imagine there's a big bang and a big crunch and a big bang and a big crunch. Eventually All possible realities happen, including the one where I kill my grandfather, right? I can't go back in time and kill my grandfather, but I can go forward in time till the same history repeats and then kill my grandfather. And that's the exact same thing as going back in time. It's just causality-wise, it happened afterwards. So there is no paradox. So in the non-local field, the history is there of me killing my grandfather. If I can entangle my qubits with this that state. I can kill my grandfather and doesn't affect me at all because that state, that projection occurred after it did after it was rendered. You see what I'm saying? So you can go backwards in time by going forward in time until the same history repeats and there is no ⁓ paradox. Wow. Is that like a deja vu? Yeah, yeah. I think you you never learn anything because the non-local field is actually the The black hole is the source code for everything. It's the brain of the universe, and our brains just reading the pattern. So you never learn anything because all learning is in the non-local field. All information states. You remember. You remember what the n the what the universe already knows. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. And w and we're all the same universe. I'm the pattern on the horizon is Jason, and you're the pattern on the horizon is Dr. Hillary, and you're the pattern of Andrew. But we're all fundamentally when you squeeze us back together, the same state, understanding itself and computing itself from all possible perspectives. Well, thank God we found each other again. Yeah, yeah, isn't that crazy? We all started in the same point. We're finding each other here and realizing, ⁓ crap, we knew each other from the beginning. Exactly. And and there is no separation. We're all the same person, we're all love. And the separation comes in the projection. Yes. Incredible. Incredible. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you, Doctor Hillary, as always. Thank you, Juan, behind the scenes. Yeah, thank you for so long. No, it's ⁓ my God. I could talk about Thank you so much, Jason. We'll we'll have to do it again sometime. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Thank you, Jason. Thank you guys very much. So nice meeting you. You too. I have no words. ⁓ my goodness. We are definitely have the right podcast name, outer limits of inner science. I mean, my goodness. Yes. ⁓ my my brain feels ten times bigger. I feel very expanded and I've certainly been pushed to my outer limits. My head feels heavy. Yeah. It's dense. It's so much information. But I love, I love the way he described the way he sees ⁓ you know, his experience with motion blindness. I know incredible. It's really cool. I mean, he sees the in-between of these frames. I mean, he really sees how it all comes together, how it works. Yeah. And and what's fascinating to me is that we see everything all blurred together and we call it motion. He's seeing frame and then frame, and that's why it's called motion blindness. Yeah. And it and it makes me think of when Dr. Joe does that demonstration up on stage where consciousness is one. And then we create separation that we actually need two points in space in order to detect motion. To experience it, right? To experience it, yeah. That is so cool. And I love the fact that so many of the things that he was teaching us or sharing with us reinforces and quantifies exactly what Dr. Joe teaches on on every level. I just it just warmed my heart and It actually gives me less doubt, even though we have the evidence through science. It's just hearing it coming out of Jason, it just blew my mind. Yeah. And to hear it in a different way. I love, you know, Dr. Joe talks about information. Where is that information coming from? It's coming from the field, right? And here Jason is talking about nothing really exists except these arrows of what? Information. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And when he started talking about like the record and All of different times are happening now, and Dr. Joe talks about that. And there's no past and no future, but there you can go all the way to the future and then go back and experience the past like the grooves on a record. And ⁓ my goodness, I'm just ugly, I loved every minute of it. Me too. Blown away. And when he talks about like gravity as a zip file, like our brain, our telomeres understand. No, not telomeres. microtubules. Microtubules, yeah, that's right. Our mar microtubules pick up this information and unzip gravity. Like unzip that pile of information. I know, I know. And how we talked about like mental health and people that have like schizophrenia that one of their microtubules ⁓ is like not lined up correctly, so they're tuning into different realities. I mean holy, holy. And it's the same information. That's what we are able to do when we when we meditate. We could tune and when we want to change. We change to a different reality. We tune into a different reality. And Jason's explaining this all connected to black holes. And and that is the fundamental nature of reality is just information. So it's very much like he kept describing it like computers and that we're just an AI query and and We're the answer to the query. Yeah, and and we're not just the observer, we're the observed as well. I mean, I loved how he put that in context and it landed for me, which I didn't know if this conversation was gonna land. That's why I wore these glasses today. Because I wanted to act smart, but I didn't know I was gonna get it. I I did. I got so much of his information, it ⁓ I I can't wait to listen to it all over again. Yeah, yeah. The way he is able to explain things that's very advanced like Penrose and Hammer off. Yeah. Those things are have have been so fundamental in quantum physics and quantum everything that we learn about quantum theory. And yet Jason's approaching it from s a a completely different angle where he's just downloading information. And he I remember in I think it was in this book or one of his talks where he was talking about The individual pixels like in a circle, and and he understood that there's no such thing as a perfect sphere. There's not a perfect circle because you zoom in, you keep zooming in, and it's a straight line. Everything is a straight line. It's a plank length that's very short, but there's no such thing as a perfect circle. And he's like, Pi is wrong. I remember him saying that to me ten years ago. I'm like, I don't understand what you mean pie is wrong. My goodness, what an incredible human being. And he's you know, you can sense his heart and how passionate he is. And he's he's changing with the information that's coming through. And that's because he's putting it into a system that's feeding back to him, which is evolving his understanding. And the fact that he said, you know, this is we're evolving and we're tur we're turning away from survival, like Dr. Joe is teaching us how to move out of survival and into creation, and that's We're evolving together on that path. And I can't wait to see what we come up with. Yeah. And I I love you just brought up the system that he's feeding this information into his system. Like he's literally training his own AI, which he calls J bot. ⁓ he referenced the PDFs. Those PDFs that he's created, he said there's 20,000 pages. These are his calculations, the work that he's created. He's fed all of this into his own J bot in order to generate. better information and look at things differently and and create videos. So you can check out his videos on YouTube. You can check out his Facebook page. That information, that's his life's work. So I ⁓ you know, kudos to him for for putting it all together and then being open to seeing how he can apply his knowledge and his wisdom to what we actually have and need in this world. Yeah, totally. And he used that term that you I could see you writing it down When he was talking about stream hopping. You know? I I saw you writing that down and I know why, because it it reminds you of what we do at Dr. Joe's events, how we change boxes. And that's, you know, we know this work, you know, it's so cool. Yeah. And stream hopping is just, you know, hop from one stream to another. Yeah. And we're all in the river of change. So sometimes you just go, I I need out of this stream. I want to go to this other stream. But that's Literally like a stream of consciousness or a stream of information. Stream hopping, it's a cool term, but I also love changing boxes. Yeah, me too. And I wonder if like, Andrew, if like 10,000 people get this information, are we gonna evolve as a collective? Because it's so many minds together all at once, like the hundredth monkey, and then we're all gonna just evolve like into another race together. Well, this information is in the field. And he's tapped into it, other people are tapped into it, and we can all tap into it. So yeah, I think the more we have these conversations, the more we evolve. Listen to this podcast, re-listen to it, share with your friend, and help humanity evolve. Because Jason Padgett's story. I loved how we talked about ⁓ coherence too. That was such a great yeah. Coherence, and that's what we do at events is we do co coherent he coherence healings. And we have the the evidence to prove with the RNGs that it's true and it's possible, and we're affecting different RNGs around the planet, not just the ones that are in the ballroom with us. I mean, that's huge. I mean, look what we're doing with inner science. We're bringing this knowledge forward and creating that ripple effect. And like you said, please share this video because it's gonna get out there. And the more people that know this as a collective. Let's change it. Let's change the narrative. That's what we're doing. Inner science is a nonprofit organization. We fund groundbreaking research on scientific studies, the physiological and biological effects of meditation on the human body. We explore transformation, consciousness, the science of meditation. And it's in order to empower people like you to heal and thrive. Yeah. And we are a mission driven community shifting the paradigm of health care together. If you'd like to join our mission as a catalyst for change, please check out our website, inner sciencesearch.org. And of course, if you want to learn more about Jason Paget, you can check out his Facebook page, his YouTube channel, and if you'd like to learn more about the retreats that we talked about, you can go to drjoe dispensa.com and we hope to see you there. See you in the field.