Optimizing with AI — Productivity, Learning, and Fun at Any Budget | Ft. Gregg Hull

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Welcome to the Optimizing Beyond podcast. I'm
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Josh Negron, and this show is all about sharing
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lessons, ideas, and strategies that sharpen your
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thinking, strengthen your habits, and push you
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to grow beyond comfort zones. Let's dive in.
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Welcome back to the show. Today, I have another
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guest coming back. Greg Hull is joining me again.
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And today, we're going to talk about optimizing
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with AI. AI is everywhere, so why not talk about
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it? Something him and I are both passionate about
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in our different fields. And so we wanted to
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see if we could talk about ways that we're working
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on doing this in different ways. And if you're
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someone that is using AI, how you can try new
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things. There's a staggering statistic Greg shared
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with me that only 3 % of people pay for AI. everyone
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else is using free versions or they don't use
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it at all. And so maybe this will be helpful
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to you to just take. another step and optimize
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what you're doing with AI. So Greg, welcome back
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to the show. Hey, thanks for having me again,
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Josh. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Always a joy
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to have you, sir. So we were talking a little
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bit off camera about how you are passionate about
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AI. We're both tech guys. We're both nerdy in
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that way. So we like trying new things, new technology.
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And I got to say, from my perspective, I could
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be criticized for being too optimistic about
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AI, but there's few things I remember in history.
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in my lifetime that are this exciting. There's
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just so many possibilities that you can interact
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with it. And it just keeps, I feel like every
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two to four weeks, there's a new version, a new
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capability, a new connection. And so just trying
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these different things. Sometimes I feel like
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I get builder's fatigue. I don't know if you're
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this way where I'm just building all these things.
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And sometimes the utility, I get so excited about
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building. I actually don't. actually use the
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end product, because maybe it doesn't turn out
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the way I thought it would or, or whatever. So
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we're talking about kind of three different categories,
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right? Productivity, learning and fun. So yeah,
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just kind of kind of kick us off by by sharing
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how how you view this. And I mean, what got you
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got you into it? Yeah, I mean, you know, me,
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I'm a big nerd, man. Like I have been a technology
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person for a long time. I have loved computers,
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technology, all that. And AI has been, it's been
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transformative. But I think unlike you, I am
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not optimistic in the AI future. I think I'm
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more, I'm very optimistic for what it can do
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for us personally. I'm very skeptical of what
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it will do for us as a society in the future.
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But as far as what we can do with it, I think
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it's incredibly useful for anybody. Like we can
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do so much even now with what it is. not even
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at its final form yet and so we have a place
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where technology can just change little things
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and make us so much more productive. I think
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I was telling you like one of the ways that I'm
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looking at implementing it right now is through
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email. I've got four different emails with school,
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with work, with personal, all of these different
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things and I've got 4 ,500 plus unread emails.
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Some people are gonna like hear that number and
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their like soul is gonna destroy inside like
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I don't care. The red bubble doesn't bother me.
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You can't touch me. Don't at me, bro. I want
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to be able to go through and just have an assistant
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to be able to filter through some of that stuff,
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you know, and determine what's worth keeping,
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what's not. Determine like, hey, what needs a
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response, what I just need to read and file away
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for later. And then possibly write like a draft
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email response to the things that are important.
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So having something like that to be able to just
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go through on a daily basis and run that can...
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be a game changer. I mean, I don't know how much
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time you spend in your email, but I try and do
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it as little as possible because of the overwhelming
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amount that's in there. So yeah, email is definitely,
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man, it can be such a time suck. I will say I've
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used AI in a couple different ways when it comes
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to email. So one of them that I remember the
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most was one where I was up against a deadline
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that someone needed something very urgent. And
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I was driving and I can't type an email while
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I'm driving. And by the time I'd arrive at my
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destination, yeah, legally, right? So by the
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time I was going to arrive to my destination,
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I had another meeting like right there that I
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was going to arrive and not be able to give that
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deliverable that was due. And so, and I remember
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it being like really time sensitive for some
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reason. And so I was like, well, I mean, the
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only thing I know how to do is something interesting.
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So I pulled up one of the services, the AI services
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that I pay for that had voice mode. And so I
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just had it pulled up. through the audio of the
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car. And I was like, hey, I need your help typing
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an email. I don't have any time to type it. So
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I'm going to need to go back and forth with you.
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I give you the context of the situation so that
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you can reply intelligently. I wasn't even concerned
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about it replying in my voice or whatever, because,
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you know, in that chat, it doesn't really know.
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And I was like, I don't have any other options.
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So like if this doesn't work, then I'll have
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to figure something else out. But I'm driving
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anyway. So, you know, it's time well spent, supposedly.
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So and I did. I did the whole like it was a 15
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minute. drive and I did like a whole 12 minute,
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like, here's the thing. Okay, cool. Back and
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forth. Ask me questions. That's a very helpful
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one, especially with the audio version. Have
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an interview questions one at a time. That's
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a helpful prompt. Otherwise it just asks you
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17 questions all at once. And you're like, whoa,
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especially audio wise. You're like, I don't,
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how am I supposed to remember? And so I did,
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I went back and forth with it and I was like,
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hey, I'm getting ready to pull in. I need you
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to draft a final copy. It's like, okay, I think
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I have enough information. And then I literally
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parked the car and looked at the final email
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and I was like, dang, that's actually pretty
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good. Hit the copy button, went to my email service
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and I popped it in there, send it. It was great.
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And so I don't do that all the time, but like
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in just that unique case, it was like, hey, this
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is really cool. You mentioned, too, like, I think
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that a lot of people don't understand, like,
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how useful it can be because some of those frustrations
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they get of, like, it just asks me over and over
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again or whatever. Like, it's those moments where
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you need something to happen and it comes through
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that, like, that aha, that light bulb comes on.
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Yes. Yeah. When I read, when I read the book,
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AI driven leader by Jeff Woods, he talked about
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that, like the moment that AI delivers for the
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first time, something really, really impressive.
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It's that moment where you're like, snap, you
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know, you called it aha moment. And then he's
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like, there's also that, like, he doesn't use
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the word value despair. That's a James clear
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thing. But like you hit a point where you want
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AI to do something and it totally craps the bed
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and you're like, okay, well maybe it can't do
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anything. So. And he's like, you have to push
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through those crappy moments to then get really
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proficient with it and learn together. Because
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obviously context is the biggest thing everyone's
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trying to solve with AI, right? Like give it
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access to, you don't want to say everything because
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there's some security concerns there, right?
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Like you're giving, it needs access to as much
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as you can willing to give it. But then, you
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know, you also don't want to give Sam Altman
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everything because let's be honest, there's some
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trust there. Like there was conversations about
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that whatever you chat with Claude can be admissible
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in court. And so, you know, there's people having
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some really interesting conversations with AI
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and you're like, hey, man, I don't know if I'd
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do that. There's, you know, the differences between
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a personal account and enterprise ones. Those
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aren't always used to train the model and those
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have more security. However, sometimes they require
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three, four, even five seats. So you're not just
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paying one monthly fee, you're paying three to
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five, which for an individual, you're like, what
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if I want that security, but I don't want to
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pay for five of them, right? There's a product
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I subscribe to called Superhuman, which is an
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email overlay, like it's an email client, right?
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So you just sign into all your... all your different
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inboxes to that. And it keeps everything in one
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place in separate inboxes. But there's other
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services that do this, like Gemini is built into
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your Gmail and obviously Copilot with Microsoft.
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And an advantage of having an agent inside a
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product like that is that naturally it's going
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to be automatic for it to write more in your
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voice. In Superhuman recently, one of their latest...
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advancements last week even originally it would
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write in your tone of voice period like just
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overarching but light in your voice to that specific
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recipient because your tone of voice with that
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recipient could be potentially different than
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you know compared to maybe someone who's a who's
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in your company or whatever and so i thought
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that was like really a really cool addition And
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you can just click the AI button in a thread
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of your reply and just say, hey, tell Greg that
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12 o 'clock sounds fine and ask him a follow
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-up question about what he was asking earlier
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and just hit enter. And there's a really well
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-built response. So I've really enjoyed Superhuman
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from that context. But you shared with me earlier
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how your goal is because you're economical, right?
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So you're like, how can I build this? Cheap.
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I was going to give you a benefit of the doubt
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here using better language, power of words, Greg.
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But yes, thrifty. So you were talking about like,
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you know, it's super easy in this AI world to
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like see the new shiny thing and go, well, you
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know, Claude's super beastie. I want to try Fable.
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You're paying for that. Then you see that ChatGPT
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comes out with 5 .6 and you're like, well, that's
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kind of beaten Fable in some areas. I want to
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try that. And so then, but you don't want to
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keep changing. Nobody wants to make three payments.
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But you don't want to keep changing because then
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the context that you've built up is gone. Yeah.
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So walk us through some of the ways you want
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to do this on the cheap. Well, like you said,
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like sometimes your professional demeanor is
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different from your personal demeanor and you
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need to keep those. For example, just the email
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situation. I can't tell you how many times I've
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written an email using AI because I don't want
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to say the things I want to say to the parent
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of the child that is emailing me. So I have to
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be a little more diplomatic in my response and
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AI is great for things like that. But yeah. Tell
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me how to say this without calling their child
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dumb. So, uh, no, but I, I, I think that for
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80 % of people, there's so much AI can do now
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on the free or cheap that like, we've all been
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nickel and dimed with subscription so much. Like
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I'm, I'm sick of it. I know like there's a ton
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of other people who are sick of it. Like I, I,
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I don't love the subscription model. I get that
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as a, from a company standpoint, it's a gold
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mine. It's like re. recurring revenue it's constant
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like it's it's uh estimatable like you you know
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what things are going to look like so i understand
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why we've gotten to this point but as a consumer
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i absolutely hate it and so for me i i want to
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be able to do what i can do on the free or on
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the cheap and you pay for convenience obviously
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with everything ai is no different your service
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that you mentioned i'm sure is a subscription
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service of some kind that you probably pay for.
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They built that service on what's called an MCP
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server. Google, several companies have model
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context protocol servers. They're basically links
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between their service and the way that AI understands
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stuff. It's called a markdown file. I get too
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technical, but like they read those files in
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a certain way. And so these MCP servers are ways
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that AI can talk to different services and understand
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it and connect with it. And so Gmail is no different.
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You can hook a Gmail. mcp server up to your ai
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at home for free and give it as much or as little
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access as you want and are comfortable with because
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like you said you know sam altman doesn't need
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all our information but at the same time if you
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give an ai free reign to do anything they have
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tendencies to delete files or share them with
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people that don't need to be shared with or anything
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like that so there's there's ways that you can
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give it certain permissions to not do things
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so like for me for example one One of the things
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that I've done is I'm looking at all these emails
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and I'm going, okay, anything that's been unopened
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for six months or longer, just delete it. Like
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I don't even need it. Like if I haven't looked
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at it in six months, I don't need it. Everything
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else, like look at things that I've opened already
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from the same sender and keep those in a recurring
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folder so that I know like context wise. Like
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if I've got a doctor's appointment coming up
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and I haven't opened the email, but I've got
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an email from the doctor from a year. year ago
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they're going to look at that and say oh hey
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this is something that he's opened before i'm
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gonna keep this in a separate folder and then
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it can look at things and say hey this is something
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that you probably need to respond to it looks
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like josh is asking about lunch on thursday and
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he has a question for you how do you want to
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respond and then it'll ask hey do you want me
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to write a draft and you can say yes and it'll
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write a draft for you and then you can hit send
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you can give it full permission to like write
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and send the email for you if you really want
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to and like If you get it to a point where you
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trust its decision -making, you've trained it
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on your voice and how you talk and how you want
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to respond, you can get to that point. But even
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then, some of the free models that I would use
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are not as capable as some of the models that
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you're going to pay a subscription for, obviously.
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On a free model, you're going to get 60 % to
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80 % of what the paid subscription model will
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do for any basic task like emails and things
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like that. more technical things like coding
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and stuff like that like you're not going to
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get anywhere near as close as what the paid subscription
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models will do but just to answer questions or
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write things down like i was i was talking to
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my ai i like chat gpt on on the computer but
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i have it on the web but i have it on my computer
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and i asked it who's going to win the world cup
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uh because i kind of got into the world cup a
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little bit this year kind of weird i'm not a
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really a sports guy but for whatever reason i
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was in i'm in this world cup thing so yeah and
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it was like uh i only have information up to
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january of 2025 in my context so you're gonna
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have to explain some things to me and like i'm
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like never mind let's talk about something else
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so It's things like that where if you download
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and you start using your own model offline, it's
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easy to just create the chatbot to answer questions
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like what 90 % of people use AI for. And you
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can even give it access to the internet so it
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can go and search up things and look at things.
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But to get some of that specialized knowledge,
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some of those specialized tasks, that's what
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paying for that really does for you. And I think
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that that's where... You can actually avoid even
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still the subscription model and go to like an
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API where you only pay for what you use. And
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you can limit that quite a bit too. If you're
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not a power user, if you're not somebody who's
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like constantly trying to crank out a bunch of
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code or something like that, you can do 80 %
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of everything you can do online, offline for
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free, in my opinion. Yeah. It's getting really
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interesting. And you mentioned the MCPs earlier.
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I mean, the the amount of software that's able
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to connect now with with AI is an ever growing
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thing. You know, like it was pretty exciting
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last towards the end of last year where different
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AI services offered these connections with, you
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know, they called them apps, but it was like,
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you know, Canva and like all these other. And
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it was it's just this MCP connection. But, you
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know, but that's still a big deal that. those
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tools can talk to those other things like Claude
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can now live. inside of Excel and Word. So Excel
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especially is really impressive that instead
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of uploading your CSV or Excel file into Clod
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and trying to do some work or in a Google Sheet,
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now you can natively work inside of Excel with
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Clod and there's like Clods inside, similar to
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Microsoft Co -Pilot. And so it's been really
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interesting to see just the different... connection
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potentials to give ai the access it needs to
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offer value to you because that's again context
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is kind of the biggest roadblock like how do
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you give ai that context and that's why Siri
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AI has been such an interesting topic in the
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last, you know, month, even though it's still
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in beta. And the public beta is expected to be
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late this month or the beginning of next month.
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And it's a big deal in that Siri, you know, which
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has been made fun of for being ridiculously dumb.
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And they made some crazy promises back in 24
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that they did and they sold. there's a class
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action lawsuit because they sold devices with
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the premise and then never came out with it.
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But now like the ability to give Siri access
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to your text messages, which I can do on Claude
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right now, but I wouldn't dare. Like it's not
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turned on, but I can. Yeah. But now running the
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beta on my iPhone, I can, I've been able to ask
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some really unique questions just to see after
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she spent fricking three weeks indexing. I was
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I can just be like, hey, last time, like, find
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me the text conversation where Greg and I talked
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about, I don't know, some Lord of the Rings thing.
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And gosh, dang it, she finds it. Whereas sometimes
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you're like, oh, well, you can just search for
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that. Yeah. But when you're searching, everyone
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knows when you search for your text messages,
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you have to have a general idea of the exact
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phrase or word. or hopefully exact phrase, because
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then you have a chance of finding it. If not,
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it's Armageddon. So you can give it a general
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idea of like, hey, we talked about something
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like maybe an actor in a movie, but I don't remember
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what. Sure enough, like she's, she's popped some
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stuff up. And I'm like, wow, yeah, I never would
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have found that. So So it's been interesting
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playing around and she's at least at this point
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going to be free and that's going to roll out
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on all devices with a few exceptions that I don't
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think are big deal breakers on the newer iPhones.
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But even back to iPhone, I think I said iPhone
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11 is going to be able to run iOS 27. So yeah,
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super, super interesting to use it as a productivity
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tool. I know for me. I deal with reconciling
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numbers a lot. And I mean, you teach an accounting
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class. I will tell you, ledger math, credits
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and debits is not the same math as other things.
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And so, man, I've had to have some conversations.
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I have some Gemini threads where I'm like, hey,
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I can't make this balance. I need your help.
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I'm in QuickBooks trying to figure some stuff
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out. And it has been extremely helpful in being
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able to go through. tons and tons of of credits
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and debits and be like nope i found everything
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that matches these are the only three anomalies
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and and here it is i'm like oh yeah and even
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that would have taken me hours Yeah. Even in,
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even in sheets, like when I'm, when I'm doing
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stuff in sheets, the ability to, cause I, you
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know, you and I are both pretty good in Google
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sheets, but like writing long formulas, like
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to do specific things, it's like, I need a formula
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to do this and having it just spit it out and
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it work like, or if you've got old sheets that
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like you've been working on for years in your
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company and like, you've got like formulas that
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have been not the best or like they work but
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they're not ideal you can literally point ai
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at it and say hey give me a function give me
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a formula that is clean and concise to do this
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and it will it will edit all of your cells if
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you want it to clean up all of those formulas
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to give you a better functioning sheet because
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if you're anything like me you know once you
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get like 10 tabs going down the line and everything's
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talking to each other and you're trying to import
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data from other sheets like it drags down and
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so you have to have clean formulas to be able
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to constantly get those sheets to function if
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you're working in Google Sheets. And that was
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one of the first like aha moments for me with
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AI was when I was able to point Gemini at it
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and say, hey, I need a formula to do this. And
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it looked at this sheet and it said, okay, here's
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the formula. And I was able to have a chat with
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it and get the formula that I needed for the
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function that I wanted. And it was like, okay,
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this thing, it's game on, let's go. Yep. Whereas
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years ago, you would have to go into a chat bot
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and say, hey, I'm working in a spreadsheet. This
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is what I'm trying to do. Can you give me a formula?
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And it's you're usually describing it in a vague
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way. And then it gives you a formula. You hop
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over and paste it into your sheet and it. probably
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usually doesn't work the first round and then
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you're like, okay. And then you're like, well,
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this is what it did. And then it was like, so
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there's just annoying back and forth that you
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used to have to do. Whereas now, like, like you
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said, you can chat, you've got the sidebar and
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then even inside of a cell. Now it has the little
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Gemini star and you can click on there and be
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like, Hey, look at this formula. Can you help
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me clean it up? It's going to understand what
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the current formula does and then potentially
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offer you one that's cleaner, better, whatever.
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So yeah, it's, it's, there's so many. There's
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so many ways that it can be useful in just accomplishing.
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Random things, just depending on your use case.
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Yeah. And the more you put it into practice,
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the more you think about it, the more you're
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like, hey, I probably could use it for this too.
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I probably could figure something out over here.
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Like if I could get it to do, and like the more
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you can offload the mindless labor task of whatever
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going through email, the more you have open to
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do other things that you actually want to do.
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Like you open yourself up to more fun. You open
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yourself up to more learning. You open yourself
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up to a whole bunch of different things. So it's
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been nice to get some of that time back too.
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Yeah, I feel like a huge objection from some
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people that I hear that don't use AI very much
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or kind of are on the sideline trying to figure
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out, like, I don't even know how I would use
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it, is some of the things that you described,
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I feel like someone could be critical and say,
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well, yeah, but that's like super easy. All you
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have to do is sort your email. Like, for example,
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you said deleting anything older than six months.
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You're like, well, that would take me three minutes.
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Like I would go in there. I would sort all my
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emails, find everything that's between like anything
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after this date. And then I would just do select
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all and delete. I'm like, no, I get that. But
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if you can do a bunch of those things, those
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mindless things, there's a difference between,
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quote, going in and doing that, because how many
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people have things around the house that are
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super easy to do, but they haven't done them?
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Right. Even if it even if it would take just
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30 minutes, you're like, sometimes the fact that
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it's so easy makes it difficult to do because
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you're like, it's easy to put off. You're like,
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oh, I could do that anytime. Right. And so. when
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you offload these tiny little things, I know
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from my experience, it's been, it's been huge.
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Like one of the things superhuman helps me do
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initially, it wasn't even an AI function, like,
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because it is also an email client. So, so it'd
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be like using, like I can use, you can use Microsoft
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exchange for a Gmail account. You know what I
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mean? Like you can, you can function exchange
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like a email client. So initially that's what
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superhuman was before it had AI. And so one of
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the functions inside of the app. again, before
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AI was, they call it reminders. So in a perfect
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world, when I send you an email asking you something,
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I've now put the ball in your court. I shouldn't
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have to set myself a reminder because you're
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a trustworthy guy. You're going to get back to
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me, and that's going to be my reminder when you
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get back to me. Yeah, obviously, someone forgets
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to get back to you, then your boss is like, hey,
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where are we on this? And you're like, well,
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I emailed them. Yeah, but who's responsible?
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You are. So one function that Superhuman has
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is, and you can configure it to like be hypersensitive,
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like remind you of every time someone doesn't
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reply to you. You can also customize it to every
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unique email. So I can send something and be
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like, hey, remind me in two days, three days,
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four days, if Greg hasn't responded. So it automatically
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shuts off if you answer. So that was already
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a game changer for me. So like very critical
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things where I'm responsible and I don't want
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to trust a vendor who's let me down before. I'm
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like, yeah, I know you. So I'll send a reminder.
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But where AI gets in here is one of the functions
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they've added six to nine months ago was an automatic.
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teed up answer or teed up follow -up message
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that's written in your voice. So now you get
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those daily, at nine o 'clock every day, you
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get the reminders like, hey, these people you
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need to follow up with. The message is already
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written. So I go in there, I look at it, I'm
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like, yeah, it's pretty good. It's like, hey,
00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:22.059
just following up on this, blah, blah, blah,
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:24.000
you know, however you usually sound, boom. And
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then you just hit enter and it's automatically
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.599
sent. Huge time saver. One. I don't have to set
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.539
a to -do, nothing like that. But then the message
00:25:32.539 --> 00:25:35.519
now is already pre -typed, which over a year
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.599
ago I would have to do myself. So it's funny,
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.759
just these small little things. So I hear you
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.240
say those things. I feel like some people's inner
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:46.539
voices are like, all that stuff is super simple.
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.000
Like, why would I learn a new way or a new process
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.220
to do that? Well, some of the pessimism in AI
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:55.319
is like, well, AI is going to replace my job
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.500
or it's going to replace me. And there is definite
00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.940
real fears there that have credit. On that same
00:26:01.940 --> 00:26:05.220
page, though, if you learn to wield and use AI,
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:09.099
then what I've heard a lot of entrepreneurs say
00:26:09.099 --> 00:26:13.019
is someone in your field, you, like an individual
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:16.079
in your field, is replaceable by someone else
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.869
who knows how to use AI in their field. Because
00:26:18.869 --> 00:26:21.690
they know how to delegate these easy, simple,
00:26:21.869 --> 00:26:25.230
low to midline tasks to AI. And then they're
00:26:25.230 --> 00:26:29.430
able to focus on the core, difficult, multi -layered
00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:32.950
activities that, honestly, most people would
00:26:32.950 --> 00:26:36.849
want a human with judgment, empathy, understanding
00:26:36.849 --> 00:26:39.569
that right now the computers don't have. And
00:26:39.569 --> 00:26:42.730
that makes you the asset, right? Like, obviously,
00:26:42.730 --> 00:26:45.410
that doesn't apply to all fields. I think that's
00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:48.109
super, super important. Yeah. I mean, even in
00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:52.450
the job market now, if I mean, I know your personal
00:26:52.450 --> 00:26:55.789
to do list is never done and it's usually multiple
00:26:55.789 --> 00:27:00.049
pages. So if if you could offload 15 percent
00:27:00.049 --> 00:27:05.529
of that list to AI and have 15 percent more productivity
00:27:05.529 --> 00:27:08.349
as an employer, you're going to look for somebody
00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:11.170
who's able to utilize AI in that way. And like
00:27:11.170 --> 00:27:13.109
they're going to be more productive than somebody
00:27:13.109 --> 00:27:15.839
who doesn't. Like just from a numbers standpoint,
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.460
if I can be 15 % more productive in the things
00:27:19.460 --> 00:27:22.380
that matter, those two to three minutes on a
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:26.009
little task every day add up over time. Again,
00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.789
10%, 15 % productivity is not a lot like in the,
00:27:30.809 --> 00:27:34.009
in the scheme of things, but in the longterm
00:27:34.009 --> 00:27:38.089
that compounds over time. I'll say one, for example,
00:27:38.170 --> 00:27:42.230
one, one test that actually it, so it also lets
00:27:42.230 --> 00:27:44.250
you do things that might be on your wishlist.
00:27:44.329 --> 00:27:47.089
Like it would be really nice if I could do this,
00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:49.130
but it's just too tight, too time consuming.
00:27:49.210 --> 00:27:51.849
Not that it's difficult, but it's time consuming.
00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:55.210
So for example, Like in the show notes, I think
00:27:55.210 --> 00:28:00.049
it would be cool to include links of my previous
00:28:00.049 --> 00:28:03.109
episodes that maybe you and I discuss and say,
00:28:03.190 --> 00:28:05.769
hey, yeah, on episode whatever, like linking
00:28:05.769 --> 00:28:07.769
the episode you and I had together about the
00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:09.869
power of words is probably going to be in the
00:28:09.869 --> 00:28:12.569
show notes of this episode. But it takes time
00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:15.240
and work to look up that link. and put it in
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.380
there. So I have given one of my AI agents all
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.680
of my previous episodes, their contents and their
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.740
links. So, and I've asked it to create a matrix
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:28.819
of all the related like topics and how they overlap.
00:28:29.059 --> 00:28:31.759
And so it's been really cool in my workflow.
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:35.180
Now I just add the transcript and one of its
00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:38.539
duties is to give me like literally copy and
00:28:38.539 --> 00:28:43.130
paste format of like episode 17 link. And it
00:28:43.130 --> 00:28:45.230
has the title, everything. I don't have to look
00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:47.869
that up. It's already there. And that's something,
00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:51.289
honestly, that if I hadn't offloaded that, it
00:28:51.289 --> 00:28:52.849
would just be something that wouldn't get done
00:28:52.849 --> 00:28:58.130
because it's not a critical task. So if it takes
00:28:58.130 --> 00:29:01.410
too long and it's not critical, hey. So I think
00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:04.869
it brings up your level of deliverables as well
00:29:04.869 --> 00:29:07.369
to where you can do something at a higher level
00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:12.000
that has value added. that you wouldn't have
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.400
otherwise added because you've built a workflow
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.940
or a process to do that. Right. It's not just
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.259
the bare minimum. It's now you get to add some
00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:23.220
of those nice to haves as well in there. Yeah.
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.119
Yep. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. And so, Greg,
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.400
you shared with me also, I mean, you're a teacher.
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.839
And so. Shout out to my teachers out there. AI,
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.279
I mean, in the teaching space, AI is, man, it's
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.660
weird because there's things that assignments
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:43.200
you could have given students three, four years
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.460
ago that now you give it to them and you know,
00:29:45.619 --> 00:29:47.960
without a shadow of a doubt, it's all going to
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.640
be AI garbage. So walk us through, like this
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.559
is so, you know, in the learning aspect, AI can
00:29:55.559 --> 00:30:00.349
be cool in... learning something new. Like, teach
00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:03.230
me about soccer. You and I, we didn't know. Like,
00:30:03.269 --> 00:30:05.809
what's offsides? You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:11.890
I think we've got it now. But yeah, so share
00:30:11.890 --> 00:30:14.650
with us kind of like, it's easy as a teacher
00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:16.930
to just get frustrated with how students are
00:30:16.930 --> 00:30:20.140
going to cheat using AI. So using... How can
00:30:20.140 --> 00:30:22.779
you use AI to your advantage as a teacher? Like
00:30:22.779 --> 00:30:24.740
share us with your journey. What's that been
00:30:24.740 --> 00:30:26.740
for you? Yeah, it's interesting because, you
00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:28.859
know, I'm brand new to this. Like I just got
00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:30.619
done with my first year teaching. I got into
00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:32.619
teaching because I wanted to make a difference.
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.779
I felt passionate about business. I wanted to
00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:38.500
help. I went to college for youth ministry and
00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:41.420
then decided not to do that for a minute. And
00:30:41.420 --> 00:30:44.920
then it was just this whole thing of like a passion
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.079
for me. And I realized going in, I'm like, this
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.990
is probably not. not something that's going to
00:30:49.990 --> 00:30:52.750
be around in the next 10 or 20 years. Like our
00:30:52.750 --> 00:30:56.670
public education system, it may still be here,
00:30:56.730 --> 00:31:01.049
but I see AI and learning changing dramatically
00:31:01.049 --> 00:31:04.150
over the next decade. And maybe that's just my
00:31:04.150 --> 00:31:07.349
own perspective, but from a teacher in the classroom,
00:31:07.450 --> 00:31:10.369
seeing kids interacting with technology and how
00:31:10.369 --> 00:31:13.609
it's being used, like our public education system
00:31:13.609 --> 00:31:17.230
is ineffective. in the current context, in my
00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:19.470
opinion. Like there are some really good teachers
00:31:19.470 --> 00:31:23.069
that still are teaching kids how to learn, but
00:31:23.069 --> 00:31:26.329
with... This new AI landscape, like kids are
00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:29.049
throwing stuff in AI and it's producing, you
00:31:29.049 --> 00:31:31.269
know, all of their assignments for them. It's
00:31:31.269 --> 00:31:34.789
doing all of the learning for them because they're
00:31:34.789 --> 00:31:38.130
summarizing material. They're just getting the
00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.430
bare minimum. And the technology in the class,
00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:43.430
I don't see as being as much of a benefit as
00:31:43.430 --> 00:31:46.589
it once was, I don't know, five, ten years ago.
00:31:48.089 --> 00:31:50.529
Which is interesting because you think, well,
00:31:50.589 --> 00:31:53.430
this new technology, this should be at the forefront.
00:31:53.529 --> 00:31:56.130
This should be helping kids learn. And there's
00:31:56.130 --> 00:31:58.609
people who are trying. There's things like Magic
00:31:58.609 --> 00:32:01.269
School AI and things like that where they don't
00:32:01.269 --> 00:32:04.289
give you the answer, but they help you to figure
00:32:04.289 --> 00:32:06.849
it out. But kids don't use that. They want the
00:32:06.849 --> 00:32:08.990
easy way out. They're human just like the rest
00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:10.650
of them. Give me the easy way and I'm going to
00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:13.769
go do that, right? So in my own personal experience,
00:32:13.970 --> 00:32:17.329
one of the things that I've figured out is how
00:32:17.329 --> 00:32:20.700
to to get AI to be a thought partner with me.
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.160
So how can I use it in a way that will help me
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.599
to flush out ideas? And there's some really cool
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.720
tools. There's some really cool techniques for
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.039
that. But I mean, one of the first interactions
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.019
I did with this was just I wanted to learn from
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.559
certain people. Like I liked their personality.
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.640
I liked their thought processes. I liked how
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.079
they did things. And so just plugging that into
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:48.160
a chat bot and saying, hey, pretend to be. Warren
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.680
Buffett or pretend to be Alex Ramosi or pretend
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.440
to be whoever I wanted to learn from and have
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.660
a conversation with me about investing, have
00:32:56.660 --> 00:32:59.119
a conversation with me about whatever. And like
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.079
they would take on that persona. They would figure
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.559
out like what they thought about it and have
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.099
a conversation to help you think through some
00:33:07.099 --> 00:33:08.799
of that so you could answer some of those questions.
00:33:09.019 --> 00:33:11.000
And that was really interesting. I thought, oh,
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.220
this is kind of cool. Like I can I can get some
00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.339
of the ideas and concepts of the people that
00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:18.440
I admire and look. up to and want to you know
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.759
emulate and figure out some of that stuff kids
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.900
today aren't using it that way though and in
00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:26.190
the classroom in school they don't want to be
00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:28.910
there just as much as we didn't want to be there
00:33:28.910 --> 00:33:31.450
when we were kids you know like the only reason
00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:33.250
you go to school is to hang out with your friends
00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:37.710
right so using ai or using technology like some
00:33:37.710 --> 00:33:40.470
of the ways that i found to uh help the kids
00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:43.269
learn is one teaching them some of the shortfalls
00:33:43.269 --> 00:33:46.690
of ai right like uh if you summarize something
00:33:46.690 --> 00:33:50.720
you might miss 20 of the key details that are
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:56.759
important to you. It might miss something that
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.619
you thought was valuable from the material that
00:33:59.619 --> 00:34:02.180
you would take away as a learning experience.
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.980
And so that's something that has been interesting.
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:09.820
So making AI that thought partner versus having
00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:12.780
them to just go and do an assignment has been
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:15.119
something I've been trying to incorporate in
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.760
some of my assignments. So like, for example,
00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:22.750
I have them through a text, but I have them ask
00:34:22.750 --> 00:34:25.469
questions beforehand. Of like, hey, what do you
00:34:25.469 --> 00:34:27.550
already know about this topic? Like before you
00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:29.849
even jump into it, like what's something you
00:34:29.849 --> 00:34:32.190
already know about it? And then if they say nothing,
00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:34.250
I'm like, okay, cool. Give me three questions
00:34:34.250 --> 00:34:36.889
that you want to learn from reading this. And
00:34:36.889 --> 00:34:39.730
then as they read it, like, hey, what did you
00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:42.329
find interesting? What was something, what was
00:34:42.329 --> 00:34:44.829
a new vocabulary word that you learned or whatever,
00:34:44.929 --> 00:34:47.809
that as they're reading it, they can engage with
00:34:47.809 --> 00:34:49.389
it. And then, hey, what are some questions you
00:34:49.389 --> 00:34:52.590
still have after reading it? And just that engagement
00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:56.000
throughout the process. makes it a little bit
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.920
easier than, hey, write me a book report on this
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.500
book and they can just plug that into ChatGPT
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:04.119
and have it spit it out for them. So coming up
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.239
with that thought partner of like, how can you
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.880
interact with the text? How can you interact
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.039
with the material in a way that is more engaging
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.599
on the learning front rather than just giving
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.719
you an answer? That thought partner idea was...
00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:22.579
One of the core premises of Jeff Woods' book,
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.079
AI Driven Leader, and obviously it was written
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.300
to leaders, but the concept of having and prompting
00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:31.739
AI every single time in different techniques
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.360
that he gives in the book, always trying to get
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.119
it to help you think, help you brainstorm. Because
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.119
one of the concerns with AI is its ability to
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.619
essentially be an echo chamber for whoever's
00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:50.360
conversing with it, right? So that means that
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.280
if it becomes an echo chamber, then you have
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.099
a real danger to not see your blind spots, to
00:35:57.099 --> 00:36:00.619
essentially magnify those things. We all know
00:36:00.619 --> 00:36:03.659
that it also has most of the time been programmed,
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.019
unless you ask it differently, to basically agree
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.909
or over -celebrate. everything right so you're
00:36:10.909 --> 00:36:12.769
like hey i'm kind of thinking of doing this like
00:36:12.769 --> 00:36:15.630
oh my gosh greg what an absolutely great idea
00:36:15.630 --> 00:36:19.130
exclamation mark you're like bro i know it's
00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:21.860
not that good you know so yeah You feel it. You're
00:36:21.860 --> 00:36:25.139
like, this is so weird. I wouldn't talk to a
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:29.059
friend who was totally spicing me up for everything
00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:32.639
constantly, right? So we know that it has those
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.300
propensities. So unless you're mitigating what
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.539
you know it's going to naturally do, then your
00:36:38.539 --> 00:36:41.059
blind spots stay where they are. You're almost
00:36:41.059 --> 00:36:44.030
going to be... talking with a yes man, constantly
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:45.769
like, that's a great idea. That's a great idea.
00:36:45.829 --> 00:36:48.150
You should totally do that. And, you know, to
00:36:48.150 --> 00:36:50.630
go into the extremes, there were cases, obviously,
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.610
that were made famous with people treating AI
00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:56.670
bots as their therapist, and then some really
00:36:56.670 --> 00:37:00.030
peculiar things that the AI agent would finally
00:37:00.030 --> 00:37:04.670
get to. I mean, just scary stuff, right? So,
00:37:04.670 --> 00:37:07.519
I mean, Most of the time, probably the consequences
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.699
are less serious in general use cases, right?
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.960
But being able to prompt it to be a thought partner
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:18.500
has been a huge game changer for me of like interview
00:37:18.500 --> 00:37:21.599
me with questions to gain an understanding one
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.719
at a time, 10 questions. I mean, think about
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.659
how effective 20 questions the game is, right?
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.800
You know, and so, and the whole game is like
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.039
with enough questions, I can get to the answer
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.510
of anything. right? And so if you have AI interview
00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:39.869
you to get an idea, you're building that context
00:37:39.869 --> 00:37:42.769
that's specific to that situation can be a total
00:37:42.769 --> 00:37:44.530
game changer in helping you think through stuff.
00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:47.670
For me, using it to brainstorm has been very
00:37:47.670 --> 00:37:51.719
effective for me. In those prompts, you'll say
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.380
things like, including the interview me, ask
00:37:54.380 --> 00:37:56.400
me questions one at a time, wait for the answer,
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.320
adapt your questions to my answers so that you're
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.179
getting iteration throughout. But also asking
00:38:02.179 --> 00:38:04.860
it to challenge you, play devil's advocate. Those
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:07.039
are really interesting prompts because then you'll
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.920
get it to adopt the persona of a contrarian individual.
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:13.960
And so it's going to kind of escape. It's like
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.159
underpinnings of constantly telling you you're
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.019
amazing. And then also, Sometimes it's a challenge
00:38:20.019 --> 00:38:23.360
for me to sometimes get what's in there out or
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:26.019
see something that, you know, people are like,
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:27.809
how do you feel about that? And I'm like. I don't
00:38:27.809 --> 00:38:30.789
know. I'm not sure. And so sometimes, sometimes
00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:33.389
asking it to help me brainstorm, to be that thought
00:38:33.389 --> 00:38:36.650
partner for me there has been really helpful.
00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:38.949
And for my Harry Potter fans out there, get those
00:38:38.949 --> 00:38:40.849
memories, those thoughts out there and put them
00:38:40.849 --> 00:38:42.849
in the pensive, right? So I can swirl it around
00:38:42.849 --> 00:38:45.369
and think through it and see it, see it on paper,
00:38:45.510 --> 00:38:47.849
you know, or on the screen rather, I guess. Yeah.
00:38:47.849 --> 00:38:50.730
And I think, I think that's one huge thing too,
00:38:50.829 --> 00:38:55.769
that when you are using AI on chat, GPT, cloud,
00:38:55.909 --> 00:38:58.320
whatever, and you're the subscription you have
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.039
your chats and it remembers what's in those chats
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.320
but it's not It's not specialized to you. It
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.119
doesn't hone in on you the way that a personal
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.900
assistant could or if you had your own personal
00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:14.980
AI, it would, right? And so now there are things
00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:19.199
that you can do with local AI or even like with
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.300
API stuff if you're using your own like agent
00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:24.019
or whatever, something that you might want to
00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:26.320
look into because what you're describing is they
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.880
recently came out with skills. I don't know if
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.840
you're familiar with agent skills. I built one
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.579
today. Did you? Fantastic. Love it. So there's
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:38.920
a great skill, a couple of them, called Grill
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.820
Me and Wayfinder. Grill Me is essentially what
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.780
you are talking about where your personal agent
00:39:44.780 --> 00:39:48.940
does this question and answer session where it
00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:52.659
finds common language. You define terms. So if
00:39:52.659 --> 00:39:55.019
it doesn't understand a term, if you use a tier
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.960
two vocabulary term where you have it in a certain
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.840
context, it will try to define that term and
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.000
then you can tell it yes or no until it can.
00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:07.510
can match and get common language for what that
00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:11.349
looks like. And it saves that language in a markdown
00:40:11.349 --> 00:40:14.289
file, in a context file, so that it knows, hey,
00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:16.769
like in the terms of videos, what I'm talking
00:40:16.769 --> 00:40:19.389
about is YouTube videos. Like if we're doing
00:40:19.389 --> 00:40:22.210
TikTok, I'm not talking, like that's a different
00:40:22.210 --> 00:40:25.369
format or whatever if you're doing content. Like
00:40:25.369 --> 00:40:28.050
it can understand the language that you're using
00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:29.750
to have a shared language and it can do that
00:40:29.750 --> 00:40:32.670
grill me session where it just asks you the questions
00:40:32.670 --> 00:40:35.070
to help you flesh that out. The other one that
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:37.610
I was talking about Wayfinder is that thought
00:40:37.610 --> 00:40:41.210
partner to help you flesh out ideas and things
00:40:41.210 --> 00:40:42.849
that you haven't really thought about before.
00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:45.190
Hey, we were thinking about implementing this
00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:48.389
new program at work. We want to help employees
00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:51.630
feel like the buy -in from it. Like what, what
00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:53.909
can we do? Like, and it'll just, it'll take all
00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:57.010
of the. that it has of you around work or whatever.
00:40:57.210 --> 00:41:00.530
And it will start this process of asking questions,
00:41:00.750 --> 00:41:03.789
pointing out ideas, coming back to, and it's
00:41:03.789 --> 00:41:06.750
a really great skill to think through some of
00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:09.730
that stuff. So I think they merged into one skill.
00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:12.489
The Wayfinder skill is the newer one, but it's
00:41:12.489 --> 00:41:14.989
essentially what you're talking about. I think
00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:16.769
it's fantastic. But that's one of the benefits
00:41:16.769 --> 00:41:19.829
of getting to the point with AI that you start
00:41:19.829 --> 00:41:23.500
to personalize it and make it... useful to you
00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:26.460
in your context with your experiences you can
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:29.519
create your own memory with it to where it has
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.619
all of the files that are related to you so it
00:41:32.619 --> 00:41:35.059
knows your voice it knows your context it knows
00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:38.000
the things that like you want to give it so that
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.539
when you do have a conversation with it it doesn't
00:41:40.539 --> 00:41:43.400
have to go through that process every single
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.079
time you want to come conversation Yeah. And
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.559
I think if I were to try to simplify it for an
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.820
application standpoint, like tier one for me
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:58.880
was building custom bots, right? So for ChatGPT
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.659
for the longest time, it was custom GPTs. Now
00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:04.679
I believe it's... projects. They've adopted that
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.739
project language from Claude. And so essentially
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:10.840
the idea behind that is to not get too technical
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.340
for people is like, we all, if you've used AI
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:17.739
on a bottom level for a hot minute, you've realized
00:42:17.739 --> 00:42:19.659
that there's times where you're prompting the
00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:21.820
same thing over and over and over in the same
00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:23.760
chat, maybe even in different chats. And you're
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.400
like, gosh, I just feel like this is really repetitive.
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.579
I'm having to say the same thing to get the same
00:42:27.579 --> 00:42:30.159
result just with maybe different. situations
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.260
so i can't copy and paste right and so that's
00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:35.539
annoying and so building a custom gym or a project
00:42:35.539 --> 00:42:37.699
you can put those custom instructions in there
00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:39.639
and then anytime you're like hey when i ask this
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.619
or this and that you can give it a lot of information
00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:43.900
even knowledge documents those kinds of things
00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:46.539
so it's pretty sweet it's very very very specialized
00:42:46.539 --> 00:42:50.000
but super helpful for these like tiny tasks that
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.380
you and I were talking about, like saving yourself,
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.199
you know, three, five, 10, 20, 30 minutes where
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.260
this starts to kind of grow and kind of get into
00:42:57.260 --> 00:43:01.079
higher level nerdy things is, is I think Claude
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.880
cowork is, was the best gateway because Claude
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.340
was difficult because it had Claude chat. which
00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:09.119
was like what everyone was used to at Chachapiti
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.840
and like Gemini. And then it had Claude Code.
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.320
And Claude Code was, Claude Code is scary. Like
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.260
if you're like, well, I don't know how to code.
00:43:17.380 --> 00:43:18.679
You're like, well, yeah, but AI is supposed to
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.440
help you do that. But it still was like, the
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.500
learning curve was intense. It asked questions.
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:24.880
You're like, open your terminal. I'm like, what?
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.900
And so cowork was awesome in that it was, you
00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:30.460
couldn't use it on your phone. It was only on
00:43:30.460 --> 00:43:33.800
your computer. And you gave it access to one
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.519
tiny folder or a bunch of folders. And you could
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.639
put documents in there, have conversations, grow
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.840
knowledge, and actually have it accomplish tasks.
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:48.219
My first thing was I keep a folder of invoices
00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:52.599
in order of date and amount. And renaming invoices
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.000
is like a huge waste of time. But to keep it
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.739
organized when the accountant asks for them,
00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:00.380
like, hey, what was this one thing for $345?
00:44:00.820 --> 00:44:03.199
You're like, I don't know. But you can just search
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.619
for that, you know. And so I was like, ooh, I
00:44:05.619 --> 00:44:07.880
wonder if I can. you can absolutely do that.
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.039
So I assigned it that folder. It's my invoice
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.139
renaming folder. And I said, hey, I'm gonna give
00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:16.280
you invoices. Here's your structure. You need
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.460
to make it year, year, year, year, month, month,
00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:21.739
date, date. Give it the dollar amount, name it
00:44:21.739 --> 00:44:24.599
whatever the invoice vendor is. And so give it
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.219
those custom instructions. Now I just dump a
00:44:27.219 --> 00:44:29.039
bunch of new invoices in there. And the only
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.519
thing I have to say is, hey, I've got you some
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.099
more, enter. And then it's like. You know, it's
00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:40.760
actually that sound effect, actually. Yeah. And
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:43.239
if it sees something that it doesn't quite understand.
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:45.579
it asks you and it's like, hey, clarification
00:44:45.579 --> 00:44:47.880
on this one thing, you know, whatever, answer
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.900
it. And then you can get into even more, you
00:44:50.900 --> 00:44:53.920
know, tier three and coding stuff. But the skill
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.019
builder is really cool. You can, there's a bunch
00:44:57.019 --> 00:44:59.460
of skills that Anthropic has that you can just
00:44:59.460 --> 00:45:02.519
use, like Wayfinder, Grill Me, like I'm going
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.980
to look those up. But then there's also... forward
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:07.500
slash skill builder, which is a skill, and that
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:09.940
you can use skill builder to help you build a
00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:11.980
custom one for you, which is what I did with
00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:15.099
the invoice renaming tool. And you can just save
00:45:15.099 --> 00:45:17.519
that. And anytime it does anything weird or janky,
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.440
you're like, you give it an update. And you're
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.940
like, hey, concerning this skill, can you update
00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:24.960
it to include these things? Because I don't like
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.559
how you're doing it. it updates the skill, you
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.219
save it again, boom, done. And so these kinds
00:45:30.219 --> 00:45:31.900
of things, like if you're like, man, I just don't
00:45:31.900 --> 00:45:34.280
know, like how I would use some of these things,
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.699
like with repetitive tasks, with these simple
00:45:36.699 --> 00:45:39.239
things that you do day in and day out, even if
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.059
you're using AI, if you're frustrated with how
00:45:41.059 --> 00:45:43.400
much you're prompting it, repeating yourself,
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.820
you can do some really cool things. If you're
00:45:45.820 --> 00:45:48.039
like, man, I'm super uncomfortable giving an
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.469
access to my computer. You know, Gemini released
00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:53.610
Spark, which gives it access. You could download
00:45:53.610 --> 00:45:55.730
it, give it access to your computer. Cloud obviously
00:45:55.730 --> 00:45:57.929
has Cloud Code and Cloud Cowork, which now is
00:45:57.929 --> 00:46:00.510
a little bit different and more advanced. ChatGPT
00:46:00.510 --> 00:46:04.190
had Codex, which was similar to Cloud Code. Like
00:46:04.190 --> 00:46:06.150
it was still pretty advanced. Now they've got
00:46:06.150 --> 00:46:09.630
ChatGPT Work. And it's essentially the same thing.
00:46:09.710 --> 00:46:11.449
You download it on your computer. You give it
00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:14.210
access to however little, however big you want.
00:46:14.389 --> 00:46:16.170
I mean, you can have it work in folders. And
00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:19.070
I mean, gosh, like. your downloads folder. If
00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:21.030
you, if it's anything like mine, it's hard to
00:46:21.030 --> 00:46:23.170
clean because you're just constantly downloading
00:46:23.170 --> 00:46:25.349
stuff, attaching it places, whatever. I think
00:46:25.349 --> 00:46:27.670
I probably have like 10 gigs in my download folder.
00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:30.710
Right. And so like manually doing that sorting
00:46:30.710 --> 00:46:32.889
by size, like finding all the videos, you're
00:46:32.889 --> 00:46:35.030
like, Oh, can I delete that? Whatever. I mean,
00:46:35.050 --> 00:46:37.750
you can, you can give cloud cowork access to
00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:39.349
your downloads folder and you're like, Hey, and
00:46:39.349 --> 00:46:41.250
then just start giving it parameters, organize
00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:43.710
it, put it in folders, whatever. Anyway, it's
00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:46.150
just, it's endless. the ideas and things that
00:46:46.150 --> 00:46:48.889
you can do with this. But we're running up on
00:46:48.889 --> 00:46:51.050
an hour. We could talk about this all day. And
00:46:51.050 --> 00:46:54.010
so another episode maybe. But we talked about,
00:46:54.130 --> 00:46:57.610
you know, this is productivity, learning. Some
00:46:57.610 --> 00:47:01.050
of that's fun. It's not super fun always. So
00:47:01.050 --> 00:47:03.929
what are some fun things that you use AI for?
00:47:04.070 --> 00:47:06.250
Like they're just really exciting. Things you
00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:08.889
create, things you get really jazzed up. Because
00:47:08.889 --> 00:47:11.949
you're not as optimistic as I am. But how do
00:47:11.949 --> 00:47:15.539
you have fun with AI? It's interesting to do
00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:19.019
things you don't know how to do. Like, I don't
00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:22.760
know how to code. Like, I've learned enough to
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.860
know what an array is, what a, you know, what
00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:28.340
an integer. Like, I know some of the language,
00:47:28.460 --> 00:47:30.000
but I don't know how to code. I'm going to tell
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.579
you right now. Everything I've done, 100 % vibe
00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:36.460
coding. But the idea that you can have something
00:47:36.460 --> 00:47:38.809
in your head. I don't know if you're an artist,
00:47:38.989 --> 00:47:41.309
like I've never been great at drawing, but like
00:47:41.309 --> 00:47:44.489
the thought of like, I have a picture in my head
00:47:44.489 --> 00:47:47.309
and I physically do not have the capability to
00:47:47.309 --> 00:47:50.309
put it into the universe, like in the physical
00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:53.309
realm on paper, because I don't have the skill.
00:47:53.469 --> 00:47:56.849
And now it's like having an artist, professional
00:47:56.849 --> 00:48:00.190
artist in your brain hole, like that you have
00:48:00.190 --> 00:48:02.570
a conversation with and they can put the picture
00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:04.949
down on paper. So like the fun part for me is
00:48:04.949 --> 00:48:08.190
like coming up with code. new ideas or things
00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:10.050
that I'm like hey I would I want to build this
00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:12.369
app like I think it would be cool if there was
00:48:12.369 --> 00:48:16.289
a coach for call centers that if you put the
00:48:16.289 --> 00:48:18.730
transcript into AI it would be able to coach
00:48:18.730 --> 00:48:20.929
all of your people and tell them what they did
00:48:20.929 --> 00:48:22.630
well on the call what they didn't do well what
00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:24.469
they can improve on like and so I built that
00:48:24.469 --> 00:48:28.070
app and I just I just coded it with AI and it
00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:31.670
was Awesome to be able to get this idea that
00:48:31.670 --> 00:48:35.289
I had into the real world without having the
00:48:35.289 --> 00:48:38.230
skills to do it. Right now, I'm a big gamer.
00:48:38.329 --> 00:48:41.429
Again, guys, I'm a nerd. I'm just telling you.
00:48:41.489 --> 00:48:45.389
But I love video games. I love RPGs. I love storytelling.
00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:50.860
And so I want to build... video games but i have
00:48:50.860 --> 00:48:54.300
zero skill i know what a good game is when i
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:58.260
play it and so i i don't have the skill to translate
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.920
and i know that that takes years and there are
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.199
people who like it takes teams and solo developers
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.239
like do it and sometimes it takes forever like
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:13.090
i get that but to be able to talk to ai And Unreal
00:49:13.090 --> 00:49:16.389
Engine is like a game engine that like does graphics
00:49:16.389 --> 00:49:18.630
and things like that. They just recently put
00:49:18.630 --> 00:49:21.789
out an MCP server for their engine. So you can
00:49:21.789 --> 00:49:24.949
hook an AI up to it. And now it has all of the
00:49:24.949 --> 00:49:28.849
tools and access to their coding software to
00:49:28.849 --> 00:49:31.929
be able to do things in the engine by just typing
00:49:31.929 --> 00:49:35.070
in a prompt. You can type in, hey, you add a
00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:39.110
landscape with mountains and a lake and a river
00:49:39.110 --> 00:49:41.510
running up to the lake. And it will totally...
00:49:41.739 --> 00:49:46.400
in the system, in the engine, all of what you
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.000
just typed. And it's awesome. Is it perfect?
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.380
No, absolutely not. Is it buggy? Yes, incredibly
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.619
buggy, but. It gives you that sense of like,
00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:00.480
I can do this now with some of the tools that
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.500
are available where I never could have before.
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.639
You know, I didn't grow up watching Bob Ross,
00:50:05.900 --> 00:50:09.119
but I imagine it's kind of like somebody who
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.719
watched Bob Ross back in the day. And they're
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.739
like following along to watching him do the thing.
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:16.880
And you're like, oh, I can paint. Like I can
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.760
do this. Like, you know, like that's the feeling
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.380
that you get when you start to use AI for some
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.429
of those fun things. that you couldn't do before.
00:50:24.570 --> 00:50:29.269
Yeah, I totally agree. I've built a couple apps,
00:50:29.409 --> 00:50:33.710
some really, really simple, some got really complex,
00:50:33.969 --> 00:50:35.929
you know, because you think, ooh, I can add this
00:50:35.929 --> 00:50:38.590
and I can add that. And admittedly, sometimes
00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:42.170
without, it seems like without enough forethought,
00:50:42.309 --> 00:50:44.269
some of the things I've built have been like
00:50:44.269 --> 00:50:48.130
something really neat with a bunch of weird things
00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:52.510
duct taped to it in a bunch of weird ways. it's
00:50:52.510 --> 00:50:55.409
been it's been an interesting journey vibe coding
00:50:55.409 --> 00:51:00.829
I'll say but I never before remember the the
00:51:00.829 --> 00:51:04.090
art analogy is really good because it's like
00:51:04.090 --> 00:51:07.570
I feel like I can I can write decently but I
00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:11.829
I can't I can't at all draw or paint or anything
00:51:11.829 --> 00:51:15.050
like that right so if if I magically had something
00:51:15.050 --> 00:51:18.039
that allowed me to yeah what you described get
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.099
what's in here and put that in an art form. That's
00:51:21.099 --> 00:51:24.420
crazy, right? So to think about like, man, I
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:26.860
just wish there was something that could do X.
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:29.619
I mean, that's the makings of a prompt. You know,
00:51:29.659 --> 00:51:32.860
it's crazy. And for something like a video game,
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.880
that's, man, that like. that's like world building.
00:51:35.980 --> 00:51:37.960
You know what I mean? Like you're imagine if
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.260
Tolkien had a AI, you know what I mean? Like
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:42.440
would, how many more Lord of the Rings books
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.940
would there be? Like, I don't know. It's crazy.
00:51:45.139 --> 00:51:47.920
The guy would spend five pages describing a stairway.
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:53.280
So, you know, it's yeah. A leaf in a forest.
00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:58.420
Yeah. One of the other ways that I've used it,
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.980
and this was how I became a superhero to my wife,
00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:04.579
is being able to take a picture of something
00:52:04.579 --> 00:52:08.820
and ask it, hey, how can we change our garden
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:11.760
bed? What kind of landscaping could we do here?
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.280
And having it generate a picture of the possibility
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.920
of what could be. And that whole idea of like...
00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:23.230
hey here's my front porch what are some ways
00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:25.969
that we could decorate this you know and like
00:52:25.969 --> 00:52:28.590
just showing that to her and opening that like
00:52:28.590 --> 00:52:31.130
because she's not a techie person she's not an
00:52:31.130 --> 00:52:33.889
ai person like but opening that up to her and
00:52:33.889 --> 00:52:36.349
like having it be like oh this is cool and like
00:52:36.349 --> 00:52:38.769
she starts playing with it or in the garden you
00:52:38.769 --> 00:52:41.190
know it's like hey i've got these holes in my
00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:43.170
leaves like what's going on here and you could
00:52:43.170 --> 00:52:45.190
be you could do that with google for a long time
00:52:45.190 --> 00:52:47.929
but like that's the that's the kind of stuff
00:52:47.929 --> 00:52:51.210
where it's like it just becomes fun to do in
00:52:51.210 --> 00:52:54.429
the hobby stuff that you enjoy already in your
00:52:54.429 --> 00:52:56.849
day -to -day life. Like, and now you can do more
00:52:56.849 --> 00:52:59.929
with it or you can do things that you never thought
00:52:59.929 --> 00:53:03.969
possible. Yeah. I think along those lines, the
00:53:03.969 --> 00:53:06.469
ability to talk to someone, you know, they like,
00:53:06.469 --> 00:53:09.989
they like to say that AI now is like a PhD level
00:53:09.989 --> 00:53:12.230
in almost anything that might be a little too,
00:53:12.269 --> 00:53:15.670
like too positive. But if you could talk to somebody
00:53:15.670 --> 00:53:19.269
who's like a decent expert. at almost anything.
00:53:19.590 --> 00:53:22.110
Like, for example, you mentioned landscaping.
00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:25.030
Perfect example. Like something weird with your
00:53:25.030 --> 00:53:27.530
grass. Right. Like we all I mean, I don't think
00:53:27.530 --> 00:53:29.769
anybody's would any of us would mind if we had
00:53:29.769 --> 00:53:31.849
a nicer looking lawn. Right. Like, how do I get
00:53:31.849 --> 00:53:34.489
rid of this weed? Like whatever. And just a few
00:53:34.489 --> 00:53:37.980
simple questions gets you access to. The same
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:40.639
as you approaching the neighbor with the nicest
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.059
lawn in your neighborhood and be like, hey man,
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.719
what do you do? And he's like, well, I plant
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.639
the fescue in the winter and then I do this seeding
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.900
over here and then that's how the Bermuda gets
00:53:50.900 --> 00:53:52.780
all, you know what I mean? And you're like, okay,
00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:55.199
cool. You can now do that in the comfort of your
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.820
living room with your cell phone, whatever. And
00:53:57.820 --> 00:54:02.579
so it's super funny how you can do that. My wife
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:06.199
loves planning travel. And so. Now, she would
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.780
never want AI to take away that joy from her.
00:54:09.980 --> 00:54:13.340
However, it helps her sometimes getting through
00:54:13.340 --> 00:54:15.780
some of the logistic things that are more like
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:19.539
annoying than anything else or to generate additional
00:54:19.539 --> 00:54:22.400
possibilities or things for her to brainstorm
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.159
of like, hey, I'm going to be in this city. Give
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.699
me, you know, give me the top 10 things that
00:54:27.699 --> 00:54:30.099
people love to do in this city. Chances are,
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.280
because she's so travel oriented, she probably
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.710
knows about eight of them. However, there have
00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:38.809
been a few times where it suggests something
00:54:38.809 --> 00:54:41.429
or like we never would have thought about that
00:54:41.429 --> 00:54:43.070
or never would have done it or never would have
00:54:43.070 --> 00:54:46.510
known. And so it's super cool. We talk about,
00:54:46.510 --> 00:54:48.309
you know, our second thing was learning. It's
00:54:48.309 --> 00:54:51.630
so fun to the fun aspect of learning is when
00:54:51.630 --> 00:54:53.849
maybe it's something that you're genuinely interested
00:54:53.849 --> 00:54:56.329
in. How can it add a different layer? Because
00:54:56.329 --> 00:54:59.190
it knows from a broad perspective, knows more
00:54:59.190 --> 00:55:02.210
than us on almost anything. And so having the.
00:55:02.730 --> 00:55:05.190
Having the excitement, the humility, and just
00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:07.250
the wherewithal to just be like, hey, what about
00:55:07.250 --> 00:55:10.349
this? I use it for research. Like I love, like
00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:12.530
when I'm going to buy something, I want to buy
00:55:12.530 --> 00:55:15.110
it once, right? You're like me in that aspect,
00:55:15.250 --> 00:55:19.030
right? So before, I enjoy the process of researching,
00:55:19.170 --> 00:55:21.789
same way she enjoys travel. But sometimes it's
00:55:21.789 --> 00:55:23.429
like, man, I don't know when I'm going to find
00:55:23.429 --> 00:55:26.030
the time to research the best way. So then like
00:55:26.030 --> 00:55:27.769
you almost procrastinate. You're like, I'm just
00:55:27.769 --> 00:55:29.349
not going to get it right now because I don't
00:55:29.349 --> 00:55:31.190
have time to research. Now you can be like, hey.
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.460
I'm looking to get this, like what, you know,
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.159
what are the things I need to consider? These
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.659
are the criteria, you know, vacuums, for example.
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.500
You know, it's going to, it's going to ask you,
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:41.860
do you have primarily hardwood? Do you have two
00:55:41.860 --> 00:55:43.920
floors? That's important because they're not
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.800
like one of those auto vacuums, you know, they
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:47.980
can't make it. And so it's really, do you have
00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:50.360
a pet? I was having a conversation recently on
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.619
vacuums specifically, and it was like, oh, well,
00:55:52.699 --> 00:55:55.500
my top recommendation automatically gets disqualified
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:58.559
because it does horrible with pet hair. Nice.
00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:01.900
Like how many, how many descriptions and reviews
00:56:01.900 --> 00:56:04.320
would you have, would you have had to read to
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.280
get to that answer? And you were there in less
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.860
than five minutes, right? Yep. Yeah. It's been,
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.260
it's been an absolute game changer for me. I.
00:56:12.380 --> 00:56:15.219
Am absolutely optimistic on what it can do for
00:56:15.219 --> 00:56:17.619
the individual. I think that everybody should
00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:22.039
be figuring out ways to optimize their life with
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.039
it, have it be a tool, have it be a partner to
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:27.079
help you think through some of those things and
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.260
utilize that. And like I said, I try and do it
00:56:29.260 --> 00:56:31.159
on the free and cheap, but I think everybody
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.079
needs to figure out how they can incorporate
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:35.880
it because the reality is it's not going anywhere
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.300
and it is going to drastically change our lifestyle
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:42.219
in the next decade. And so... If you're not using
00:56:42.219 --> 00:56:45.820
it, you're behind. And I feel like I'm already
00:56:45.820 --> 00:56:49.440
behind because I'm in the space, I'm watching,
00:56:49.539 --> 00:56:52.659
I'm researching, I'm following. The reality is
00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:56.679
you and I are probably more advanced than 90
00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.320
% of people who are using it. And I tell my kids
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.420
at school all the time, I'm like, guys, don't
00:57:01.420 --> 00:57:04.039
use AI on this assignment. I promise you, I will
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.480
know I use it more than you do. And they never
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.820
believe me. There's always one, right? But it
00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:13.940
always feels like, oh, I'm already too far behind.
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.079
Well, the reality is you're not. Like if you
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.679
start now, you can start to get some of that
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:22.440
implemented. Like download LM Studio and look
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.449
for your first. like chat bot on your computer.
00:57:25.670 --> 00:57:28.210
It'll tell you which ones are the best options
00:57:28.210 --> 00:57:30.690
that would fit on your machine. And it's basically
00:57:30.690 --> 00:57:33.130
an AI that you can talk to that you don't give
00:57:33.130 --> 00:57:35.809
any of your data to any of the big companies.
00:57:35.909 --> 00:57:37.869
Like it's just there on your machine and you
00:57:37.869 --> 00:57:40.190
can talk to it all on your own. And there's limitations,
00:57:40.530 --> 00:57:43.329
but at the same time, it's easy, it's free, and
00:57:43.329 --> 00:57:45.769
it's a first step that everybody can look at
00:57:45.769 --> 00:57:49.469
doing. If you want more, we can talk about that
00:57:49.469 --> 00:57:52.250
another time. But yeah, we're both kind of big
00:57:52.250 --> 00:57:54.780
into the space. I think everybody needs to jump
00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:57.460
on board because it's not going anywhere. It
00:57:57.460 --> 00:58:00.079
is not. It is not. Yeah. And if you're concerned
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.800
about which one to use and like if you want to
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.059
use a commercial product, obviously, like we
00:58:05.059 --> 00:58:07.800
talked about their advantages to paying a subscription.
00:58:07.940 --> 00:58:10.619
I don't I don't recommend you pay for more than
00:58:10.619 --> 00:58:14.360
one. Just pick one and go with it. I think honestly,
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.280
right now, there's no there's no clear winner.
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.940
They keep, you know, leapfrogging each other
00:58:19.940 --> 00:58:23.579
per se. And like every. two to four weeks, someone
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:26.340
else comes out with another model that's a little
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:30.699
saucier. And so just pick one, use it. And if
00:58:30.699 --> 00:58:33.199
you want to pay for it, you know, I don't think
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.380
it's a bad thing for you to, you know, can you
00:58:36.380 --> 00:58:39.480
give up one of your streaming services? to have
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.320
an AI service that has strong capability? That's
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.760
a good question for you to ask yourself. You
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.579
know, if you're like, well, I don't want to download
00:58:45.579 --> 00:58:48.239
one on my computer and do that, which is totally,
00:58:48.340 --> 00:58:50.420
you can do that. I have a couple models on my
00:58:50.420 --> 00:58:54.099
phone that are local models. And so, yeah, you
00:58:54.099 --> 00:58:57.119
can, there's so many options, but pick one and
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.980
start using it. There's Glenn Lundy said on the
00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:02.139
episode that I have, he has a phrase of, if you
00:59:02.139 --> 00:59:05.800
do 18 minutes a day daily, you will be an expert
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.360
in whatever you've been doing daily in just one
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:11.619
year. So if you're worried about AI taking your
00:59:11.619 --> 00:59:15.360
job, well, scoot and boogie on using AI because
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.360
I think you could make yourself, transform yourself
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.139
into an incredible asset in your field if you're
00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:23.869
somebody, like for example, accountants. People
00:59:23.869 --> 00:59:25.130
are like, oh my gosh, accountants are going to
00:59:25.130 --> 00:59:27.670
totally, no, they're not. Like if you've ever
00:59:27.670 --> 00:59:30.329
messed with a ledger with AI, it can help you.
00:59:30.349 --> 00:59:32.650
Like I said earlier, it can help you, but it's
00:59:32.650 --> 00:59:36.050
pretty stupid in some other ways. You don't want
00:59:36.050 --> 00:59:39.530
just a single AI to do your taxes. You want somebody
00:59:39.530 --> 00:59:41.809
who's like licensed, knows what they're doing.
00:59:42.150 --> 00:59:44.889
I don't have a problem with them using AI. Yeah.
00:59:44.949 --> 00:59:47.170
So same thing. So an accountant that knows how
00:59:47.170 --> 00:59:50.329
to use AI is completely going to replace an accountant
00:59:50.329 --> 00:59:52.849
that refuses to get into it. And I think that's
00:59:52.849 --> 00:59:55.309
what I want to leave you guys with, that if you're
00:59:55.309 --> 00:59:58.530
not using it today, we both highly encourage
00:59:58.530 --> 01:00:01.150
you to find a way. There's free ways that are
01:00:01.150 --> 01:00:03.469
awesome. There's also paid ways that are great.
01:00:03.550 --> 01:00:06.619
So just pick a way, pick a lane. And start using
01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:09.139
it and build that habit. 18 minutes a day, play
01:00:09.139 --> 01:00:11.599
around with it, ask it questions and build, like
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.000
get through that novelty. Start realizing how
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.119
it can help you get to those aha moments, which
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.280
are pretty addicting and exciting. And then when
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.539
it's dumb, push through it because it will disappoint
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:24.019
you greatly. You're like, oh man, I have super
01:00:24.019 --> 01:00:28.619
high hopes. It's going to be trash. Write me
01:00:28.619 --> 01:00:32.179
this game and then it produces a slot. You have
01:00:32.179 --> 01:00:34.179
to be very specific with it. But at the same
01:00:34.179 --> 01:00:37.119
time, it's incredible once you get used to it.
01:00:37.300 --> 01:00:40.800
Yes. In the same way, and I think people know,
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.780
there's a specific way to Google something to
01:00:43.780 --> 01:00:46.880
get a more useful answer. And so those of us
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.920
who got into using Google before it was around,
01:00:50.019 --> 01:00:52.400
when it came around, there's ways you can ask
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.559
Google a question and get a useful answer. And
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.760
there's ways that you don't. And when you use
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.070
it enough. you know how to ask those to get to
01:00:59.070 --> 01:01:02.070
trigger those long and short tail keywords to
01:01:02.070 --> 01:01:03.969
get the answer that you're looking for quicker
01:01:03.969 --> 01:01:07.030
without asking a second question. So AI prompting
01:01:07.030 --> 01:01:10.170
is in the exact same way. So if you start prompting
01:01:10.170 --> 01:01:13.250
every single day, you're engineering. is going
01:01:13.250 --> 01:01:15.349
to get better. Even if you don't watch YouTube
01:01:15.349 --> 01:01:17.869
videos to tell you how to prompt, like, I'm going
01:01:17.869 --> 01:01:20.050
to give you 10 amazing prompts to, you know,
01:01:20.050 --> 01:01:23.090
whatever. It's whatever. So just build that skill.
01:01:23.210 --> 01:01:25.309
Like we say, daily, anything changes everything.
01:01:25.590 --> 01:01:28.849
Use AI, guys. So Greg, thank you so much for
01:01:28.849 --> 01:01:32.110
your time today. Absolutely. Love your perspective
01:01:32.110 --> 01:01:34.909
and how you use things. So I don't think this
01:01:34.909 --> 01:01:37.010
will be the last time we have you on, right?
01:01:37.449 --> 01:01:39.909
I hope not. I hope not. It's summer vacation,
01:01:40.170 --> 01:01:42.449
so maybe I'll have some more time now. I don't
01:01:42.449 --> 01:01:45.130
know. Yeah, yeah. I'm in. Teachers, man. I love
01:01:45.130 --> 01:01:47.610
it. So good. Well, awesome, guys. Thanks for
01:01:47.610 --> 01:01:49.829
listening to the Optimizing Beyond podcast. Remember,
01:01:50.090 --> 01:01:52.730
growth happens when you take action. So subscribe
01:01:52.730 --> 01:01:55.369
to an AI service. Just kidding. Subscribe, share
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this with a friend, and most importantly, put
01:01:57.230 --> 01:01:59.650
what you learned into practice because until
01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:02.750
next time, daily anything changes everything.