Odd Thomas

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Hey, everybody, we're on screen, off screen.
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Conlan couldn't join us this week.
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Hopefully he'll join us next week.
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So you just get me and Josh, probably half of Josh today.
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Um, but we'll get right into it.
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Um, Josh, what's your first topic for today?
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O only one topic today?
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Uh, I decided to watch Notting Hill.
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Uh, This was after our shared topic.
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It kind of inspired me to want to watch something wholesome and happy and romantic.
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And Conland just a couple of weeks ago, watched this movie and was like, this is great.
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It's one.
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of the best ever, uh, romance movies.
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So I decided to watch it.
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Um, and Conland.
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one.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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The one where Julia Roberts played plays Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant is somehow running a travel bookstore.
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Why a travel bookstore and not just like a bookstore?
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I have no idea.
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That would just guarantee your imminent failure.
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Uh, because bookstores themselves don't do well.
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Why would you narrow It down to just travel books is beyond me, but that's what it is.
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Uh, and Conland couldn't be more wrong about this movie.
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This movie is all garbage if you swapped the positions around, right?
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If you said the male was the famous guy and she was the quirky down to earth one, uh.
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You would say he is full of himself and she is pathetic and she deserves better.
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And if you swapped it around so that, um, I don't remember where I was going with that.
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Uh, basically neither of them get over that she's famous, right?
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There's no like bonding scene where he realizes, oh, she's so much more than a famous girl.
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They're sitting around a table with his family that she invites herself to.
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He's like, she asks him if he's free and he's like, oh, I'm sorry.
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I can't, it's my sister's birthday.
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And she goes, well, I'll be your date to that.
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And it's like, okay.
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No one invited you, Julia Roberts.
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Uh, kind of bold to just assume that that was an invitation, because where I come from, that was not an invitation.
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So she just invites herself and everybody fawns over how beautiful she is and that she's a famous actor and whatnot.
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And then they get to dinner, uh, everybody's freaking out that she's famous or whatnot.
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And then they have this conversation that's like whoever has the most pathetic life gets to have the last brownie.
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So they start talking about how sh uh, Hugh Grant's, um, best friend that was hosting this party, uh, got in an accident, lost the use of her legs, and now she can't have children.
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And how her sister is at a dead end job, um, struggling financially and always chooses to date these horrible abusive men.
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Right?
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Very significant things.
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And so they get around and they get to Hugh Grant and they're like, he's at a dead end job.
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Uh, he looks he's getting fat, um, X, y, z, whatever.
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And it goes to this awkward silence.
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And he's like, well, I guess I won the brownie then.
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And she speaks up, Julia Roberts does that goes, let me tell you about my life.
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Hold on.
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It's not that easy.
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And they're like, okay, go ahead.
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And she's like, well, I got a nose job and a chin job.
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And I am afraid that people are gonna realize that I'm not a good actress as soon as I get older and I'm not as hot anymore.
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Julia Roberts stole a brownie away from a cripple.
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Well, no, they just, they didn't give her to the brownie.
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They were like, yeah, no, that doesn't work.
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Right.
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But I'm like,
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cover the
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how dare you speak up and be like, oh, my last movie I made made$15 million, which was a scene that happened right before this, and we're having this competition about how tragic our lives are and wheelchair can't have kids.
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Uh, married to guy who can't cook, doesn't get the brownie.
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and decides to speak up and be like, my life is tragic too.
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And I was like, shut up.
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You just made$15 million for six months of work.
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Yeah,
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Okay.
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Screw you and your Petly ass problems.
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Nobody made you get a nose job.
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Nobody made you get a chin job or whatever.
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That was like, get over yourself.
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Yeah.
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Um, oh, I remember where I was going with it earlier.
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I was like, if you switched it around so that.
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they weren't British.
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Right.
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Same scenario.
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Famous girl, down to earth guy.
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Let's say it was set in New York, like you get rid of the British charm of it.
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You'd be like, these people suck.
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They're horrible human beings.
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Like
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Yeah.
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What
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so cocky and irritating.
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Like this is rated as one of the most romantic movies of all time and it's like, this is.
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Conlin often freaks out about how, uh, what's that movie called?
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The Notebook sets such unrealistic expectations, uh, for romance.
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This is right up there with it.
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This one is like, oh, find a guy who will be absolutely pathetic.
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Uh, just be an absolute loser, have zero integrity, goes back on his word.
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Uh, have what, have a, have this part where they haven't seen each other for like eight months and he's just fawning over her.
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Like nothing good in the world could happen without this woman.
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Um, it was, and like at the end of the day, they're like, she's famous.
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He's not how romantic.
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They're all, I'm like, no, he's not the.
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Peasant boy, farm boy from the Princess Bride who actually cares and actually has values and all this other stuff.
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He is just a pathetic loser guy in a loser job who's just pathetic for her.
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It was not what I wanted to watch, and I was like, I, I feel bad for anybody who looks at this.
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It goes, this is what romance should look like.
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Uh,'cause it's not, that is not what romance should look like at all.
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Mm.
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do you think that?
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Um,'cause I feel like whenever Collin's like this is a good romance movie, I feel like it normally doesn't hit for you.
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Why do you think that is?
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Uh,'cause Conlin and I view romance very differently.
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I, I agree with him about, uh, the notebook.
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I think it is.
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Disgusting the way that the girl cheats and is like, but I still love you.
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And that, that should be enough.
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Like that is just sick and wrong and people should be setting their expectations that way.
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But like I am a big romance person.
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I love the cheesiest, stupidest romance movies out there.
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Um, rom-coms are probably my favorite genre of movie.
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I absolutely love them.
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I love the happiness.
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I love Oh, quirky Girl, right?
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If you go to look at like, she's all that, right?
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You got this quirky little nerdy girl and you've got guy who's arrogant but is kind to like nerdy guys who gets kind of baited into the bet, right?
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And so.
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Through spending time, right?
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You see these layers come down and each person kind of realizes there's more to the other person than they actually thought.
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Uh, if you take it to anime, there's more than a married cover, couple less than lovers, and that's what the whole anime is, is, right?
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He's a nerdy guy.
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He gets paired up with the hottest girl in school and right.
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Like he learns that, like, that's just a front.
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She's not really that confident.
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She has layers.
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She's smarter than she gives credit for.
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Um, she just puts up that persona because that's what people expect, right?
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When we look at nodding Hill, it's not a persona.
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She is just a cocky, irritating, rich actress girl.
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And we don't see layers come down and things become deeper.
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Uh, we don't see.
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Real, like I, I believe in like real true love, right?
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I'm, I'm a hopeless romantic that way.
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I absolutely believe in it.
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We'll talk more about it with our shared topic, uh, and when it's just layer deep and it sets this expectation that guys just be pathetic for your girls and that's good enough.
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And girl power, girl boss, treat everybody like crap.
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But say you're sorry in the end that that's enough.
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I, I just don't see true love in that.
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Like, true love is something really special that can happen to absolutely anybody.
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Yeah, it's interesting that like, you're like talking about dynamics and I think one that's always brought up is like Morticia and Gomez.
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Um, I love, uh, specifically, oh, I can't think of the actor's name, but, um, oh yeah, I can't think of the, but like, he's obsessed about her, but like he is obsessed about his things too.
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He's like obsessed with life, which includes his love and his family.
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And that's where I think
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Yeah.
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obsessed should, look like instead of like making that your personality.
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Yeah.
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And like every relationship is gonna be its own thing, right?
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The reason Morticia and Adam's family Guy Gomez is so great is because he is obsessed with her.
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But there's more to him than that, and there's more to his love than that.
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Um, I can't speak too specifically about it.
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I'm not a big Adams family person, but like I have this vision in my head that like, she's upset with him for whatever, and he gets down and gravels and kisses her and she goes, oh, don't, oh no, I'm still mad at you.
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And then slowly just like, okay, that's just adorable.
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And like they play off of it with each other.
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It's not just like, like imagine that same thing, but she's sitting there like looking down on him for doing it.
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Hmm.
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Right?
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That's what Notting Hill is.
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And it's like,
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Yeah.
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you deserve better girls.
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You deserve better than just pathetic obsession.
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Um.
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I, I didn't see what made this work, but again, it's one of the most popular, like if you look up top rated romance movies of all time, this is gonna be up there.
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So is the notebook, but like there's better, there's so much better.
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yeah, I've never seen Notting Hill.
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Never heard anything good until Conlan talked about it actually,
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Oh, it had been on my list for years.
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I like, I love romcoms and this is always talked about, I might hear more about Nodding Hill than I do about the Notebook.
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Oh really?
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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like it is very highly rated.
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the comedy, um.
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Good it just a romcom
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It's, it's not really.
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Calm.
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It's more, it's way more romance.
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like if there's a scale, right?
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And this side is romance, and this side is comedy.
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It's like mostly,
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romance.
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um, romance.
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There are a few jokes.
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Um, there's one that IF found that was funny that I don't think you or Conlin or anybody else really found funny.
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Um, basically she decides she wants to date him.
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So she asks to date him and he says no, because she treated him like crap, like he should have.
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And then he talks to his friends and his friends are like, you've been pathetic for this girl for like a year now.
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Go get her.
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And He turns to her and he is like, how fast is your car?
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And then the next scene is a Pergo 4 0 5 diesel.
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Which you don't know anything about that.
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I just said that you've never even heard of a Pergo.
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'cause it's a French car.
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It doesn't even sell in America.
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And it is like the dumpiest crappiest, little like Toyota Camry station wagon kind of car with a slow diesel engine in it for gas mileage and stuff.
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So like I, I was like, that's pretty funny for me because I know what that car is and I know how garbage that car is, but like at the same time it's like, I don't really think that was supposed to be a super big joke.
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Anyway, there's some dry British humor in it and I am a big fan of dry British humor that's there.
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I liked that.
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Um, I didn't like, um, he has this roommate who's just like.
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Every single aspect of bad roommates from every story you've ever heard is that roommate.
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Gross.
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walks around in his whitey tidies, uh, he barges into the bathroom, he smokes weed, he talks randomly.
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He's super weird.
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He takes messages but doesn't write'em down.
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So there's a scene where Hugh Grant is like, wait, she called?
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And he's like, uh, yeah.
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And he's like, what did she say?
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And he was like, uh, I don't know, man.
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I didn't write'em all.
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You wanted me to write down all your messages?
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And it's like, oh, I know that's supposed to be funny, but it's not.
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It's just uncomfortable.
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He's shirtless.
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He's a weird guy.
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And then at the end, they're just like, oh, and by the way, Hugh Grant's sister fell in love with him.
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by the way.
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Just like that happened.
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Off screen.
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You did see it?
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Yep.
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Um, yeah, just I don't see good romance in it.
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I didn't see a ton of good comedy.
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There is a little bit there to laugh at.
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It's not the worst thing I've ever seen.
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It's not as evil as the notebook is, but like still have higher standards.
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People don't accept this.
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So how would you rate it and are you mad you watched it?
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I'm not mad.
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I watched it?
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because it has been on my list for a very long time.
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Are you mad it was on your
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I no, like, I still want to see them all and I know most of them suck.
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Truly.
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I know.
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If you were to like critically list?
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rom-coms, honestly, if you're looking at'em, they're like fours, fives, and sixes.
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The writing is usually poor.
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The characters are usually not very great.
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There's usually a couple of laughs along the way, like this is on that list.
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Um, I'm gonna give it a 4.5 simply because I wouldn't rewatch it.
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If I were to rate it like critically.
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Um, it would probably be like a six, six and a half.
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But just the knowledge of like, I would rather watch Black Panther than this.
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I'm not going to rewatch this ever again.
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Uh, I got a docket points because
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For those reasons.
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yeah, I just, I'm never gonna rewatch this again.
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And if I'm with somebody and they're like, let's watch noting Hill, I'll be like, how about she's all that?
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How about the Princess Bride?
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How about anything?
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Actually good, please.
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Um,
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Panther.
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yeah, so that's, that's where I put it.
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Sorry, Conlin, if you're listening to this, miss ya.
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Wish you were here, but just not very good.
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I'm sorry,
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I wanna take bets and see if he'll actually watch this episode.
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I wager He won't.
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Yeah, I think I'm, I'm still half and half.
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We'll see how I feel by the end,
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We'll see.
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Uh, he might, there's a possibility it's like 55% chance in my mind he won't, but.
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there's a chance he did listen to part of the episode I did without him last year, so maybe.
00:19:21.997 --> 00:19:28.416
well then let's segue on over to my topic, which is me going back to Gregor, the Overlander.
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'cause I gave this, uh, I continued this series.
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I think I'm on the, let's see, there's five.
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I'm on the fourth book.
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Um, it's great there.
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It's actually really nice to listen to at work because like I have a 12 hour shift and these books are about like six hours.
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So I can get a book in each shift.
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'cause every once in a while I have to like, pause and like talk to people.
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So, uh, I can listen to like a book, a shift.
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Um.
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And I think they got better as it went on.
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I thought the first book was, I was like, okay, I get it.
00:20:11.646 --> 00:20:23.856
This is, I mean, it did a lot of world introductory and it's a six hour audio book and then once that was like solid then you could just start discovering more of the world.
00:20:23.856 --> 00:20:30.457
I really like this series because a lot of the series that I like are adventure, uh, exploration.
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I like anything that can take me out of my world and make me think about a different world.
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at first I was like, Gregor the Overlander.
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I'm like, this is lame.
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This is just under New York City.
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There's not enough high fantasy for me to get out of my life.
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But then, uh, they like introduced, uh, Gregor being a rager and they introduced, um, see.
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There's in the book that I was, that I'm reading now.
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I haven't finished it, but they didn't have a set prophecy at the beginning and it was like a lullaby that ended up being a prophecy.
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And it was so funny'cause when they like went into this like old nursery, they're like, oh, that, that's kind of weird to have like, as a children's song.
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And I was like, well ring around the Rosies and all that.
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So
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Letting the bridges falling down.
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yeah.
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And so I loved how like she integrated that into this society as well.
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And then he's like, oh my gosh, that was a prophecy, this like children's song as a prophecy.
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And it was funny'cause I, I caught on to that way before, like when they first were like singing it, I was like, why is she singing that to the mouse?
00:21:45.981 --> 00:21:48.201
It's literally talking about its genocide.
00:21:51.051 --> 00:21:54.622
But, uh, I, yeah, I'm really enjoying the series.
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Uh, I'm kind of.
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trying to make myself not listen to them at home so that I can still have stuff at work to listen to that I'm like excited to listen to.
00:22:05.317 --> 00:22:16.926
Um, but yeah, so I'll be done this week with this series, definitely, um, probably by Fri Friday I'll be finished.
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But I have changed my ways.
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I really like it.
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Don't get claustrophobia anymore.
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Um,
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So what is going on in the book you're in currently?
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So, um, and Gregory the overlander, he goes, uh, there's entrances to the underland that we know of one in Central Park and one in his laundry room, that he is getting trained by the rat.
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top, not rip tide.
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That's,
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Riptide.
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It's,
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Oh,
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rip rad, rip
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rib rap.
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Yeah.
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And he is trying to teach him how to use echo location.
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because he's like, if you don't have a light, you're screwed.
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And the rats can fight without light.
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So every rat wants to kill you, so you really need to figure out how to fight without light.
00:23:10.926 --> 00:23:15.277
So we had the first prophecy where Gregor killed rat king.
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Then you have the second prophecy where he was supposed to kill, um, the Bain, which is this white rat.
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But he found it as a baby and decided to spare it.
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And then in the third prophecy, he was supposed to, um, solve a plague, find a cure for a plague with the rats.
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Um, and then they find out that the humans actually made the plague and had the antidote for the plague.
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And it was driving me nuts'cause I knew it from the very beginning.
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Uh.
00:23:43.165 --> 00:23:43.385
Oh.
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With the prophecy.
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They're like, oh, it's not where you think it is.
00:23:47.076 --> 00:23:48.007
It's in the beginning.
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And I was like, it's the freaking new winds.
00:23:51.071 --> 00:23:57.547
So when they made me so mad that they like went to the jungle, killed off a really cool character.
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Um, and then now we're in the fourth book where the Bain has grown up and is like starting a genocide on the mice.
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And, uh, the queen, I can't remember what her name is, um, but she has declared war on the rats for killing her friends that are the mice.
00:24:22.176 --> 00:24:27.817
And, uh, Gregor is just like trying to stop war from happening.
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Uh, he hates that he's called the Warrior because he's very, um, pacifistic, if that's a word.
00:24:38.076 --> 00:24:39.636
He's a pap pacifist.
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But like when he gets cornered, he'll fight.
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Um.
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And so what just barely happened was, um, basically a direct, um, liking to the Holocaust where the rats threw the mice in a gas chamber trying to cause a genocide.
00:25:02.257 --> 00:25:11.436
uh, Gregor feels horrible because he's like, I spared the, the baby rat that is now killing all of these mice and like rallying the rats into war.
00:25:13.807 --> 00:25:14.017
yeah.
00:25:14.017 --> 00:25:14.826
So that's where we're at.
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.471
So, uh, what do you think of the prophecies so far?
00:25:21.471 --> 00:25:28.701
Because I, other than that one with the poison, that was terribly obvious.
00:25:28.911 --> 00:25:31.280
I thought the rest were actually really clever.
00:25:31.550 --> 00:25:32.125
What are your thought.
00:25:33.311 --> 00:25:33.602
Yeah.
00:25:33.936 --> 00:25:37.926
I do like the prophecies because like.
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They kind of, they have these humans that try to dissect these prophecies.
00:25:44.196 --> 00:25:46.567
'cause these prophecies have been written in stone for forever.
00:25:46.747 --> 00:25:48.396
So like, yeah, we know what this says.
00:25:48.396 --> 00:25:55.537
We know what this says, this, but like, everything has like a double meaning, um, in the prophecies.
00:25:55.567 --> 00:25:57.037
And so I really liked that.
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And when, because I knew they weren't gonna kill boots.
00:25:59.886 --> 00:26:06.037
I was like, I know Suzanne Collins has killed a child before in her books, but I don't think she would kill boots.
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At least not until the end.
00:26:08.287 --> 00:26:10.086
And I know I have three, two more books.
00:26:10.567 --> 00:26:22.086
So, um, like I was, I was planning on, um, plot armor to figure out some of these prophecies.
00:26:22.656 --> 00:26:28.596
Um, but like, I, like I did not see that the Bain was gonna be a baby, uh, a baby rat.
00:26:28.987 --> 00:26:36.817
Um, I was full on being like, why is he still trying to kill this rat if his sister's dead?
00:26:37.146 --> 00:26:37.477
Like.
00:26:38.571 --> 00:26:39.801
over, everything's done.
00:26:39.801 --> 00:26:43.521
I was like, I, but I know Boots isn't dead.
00:26:43.521 --> 00:26:44.872
Maybe she is.
00:26:45.382 --> 00:26:48.112
She's really laying it on that she's dead.
00:26:49.882 --> 00:26:53.182
But, so I actually really liked the Bain's prophecy the most.
00:26:53.182 --> 00:26:55.102
'cause I think that was the one that caught me.
00:26:55.521 --> 00:27:06.321
Um,'cause when he goes down into the tub tunnel the baby's crying out like boots, I was like, like I even text Josh.
00:27:06.321 --> 00:27:08.092
I was like, this book is so sad.
00:27:10.882 --> 00:27:12.501
But, uh, yeah.
00:27:12.501 --> 00:27:19.821
So I do like the prophecy things and I did like the Twist in four where the prophecy wasn't just handed to him.
00:27:19.852 --> 00:27:21.471
'cause that's like the start of each book.
00:27:21.501 --> 00:27:26.842
'cause they rope Gregor back into their, their shenanigans because they're like, oh, there's another prophecy.
00:27:26.842 --> 00:27:27.922
And it says the warrior.
00:27:27.922 --> 00:27:30.866
So that means you so.
00:27:31.310 --> 00:27:37.490
My only irritation with that was like, why didn't they tell him there was more prophecies upfront?
00:27:38.270 --> 00:27:41.691
Like once they established he was quote unquote the warrior.
00:27:42.770 --> 00:27:47.300
He comes back and he's like, that Pikachu meme, he's like, shock.
00:27:47.570 --> 00:27:48.711
There's another prophecy.
00:27:48.711 --> 00:27:54.020
And I was like, you saw the room in like the second book.
00:27:54.141 --> 00:27:56.330
You know, there's more prophecies
00:27:56.932 --> 00:27:57.142
Pretty
00:27:57.320 --> 00:27:58.550
that mentioned the warrior.
00:27:58.881 --> 00:28:00.891
Um, it's pretty rude.
00:28:00.891 --> 00:28:05.030
of those humans not to let'em know that like, Hey, you're not done here.
00:28:05.451 --> 00:28:11.510
There's four for you, but like I understand that was more like Susan Collins going like, oh, I wanna write another book.
00:28:11.570 --> 00:28:14.211
And not necessarily thinking that through.
00:28:14.361 --> 00:28:14.780
Um,
00:28:15.021 --> 00:28:15.652
Yeah.
00:28:15.681 --> 00:28:21.230
you also liked the pirate rat Girl in the jungle.
00:28:21.861 --> 00:28:24.171
She's the one that dies in the jungle.
00:28:24.652 --> 00:28:25.461
Oh yeah.
00:28:25.912 --> 00:28:27.981
Um, there, let's see.
00:28:27.981 --> 00:28:28.761
I like.
00:28:30.876 --> 00:28:32.406
I really hope she comes back.
00:28:32.497 --> 00:28:37.057
Um, but Boots always called her ow because her nose got hurt.
00:28:37.057 --> 00:28:37.326
She was
00:28:37.415 --> 00:28:37.836
Mm-hmm.
00:28:38.047 --> 00:28:38.467
sniffer.
00:28:39.486 --> 00:28:39.836
Uhhuh.
00:28:39.876 --> 00:28:40.207
I really
00:28:40.250 --> 00:28:40.641
Yeah.
00:28:40.686 --> 00:28:41.467
that one.
00:28:42.260 --> 00:28:42.590
Yeah,
00:28:43.507 --> 00:28:45.727
Um, and it made me really sad.
00:28:45.817 --> 00:28:54.606
There's like this moment where they've explained Gregor that this rat has been alone for like years,
00:28:55.161 --> 00:28:55.520
yeah.
00:28:55.987 --> 00:29:03.186
he wakes up to what he thinks is his little sister snuggling his leg and looks down and sees that it's the rat snuggling
00:29:03.260 --> 00:29:03.740
Yeah.
00:29:04.237 --> 00:29:04.777
And I was like,
00:29:04.790 --> 00:29:05.080
Yeah,
00:29:08.017 --> 00:29:12.787
I literally was like, I was like standing a piece at work and I was like trying not to cry.
00:29:14.231 --> 00:29:14.497
It was um,
00:29:14.621 --> 00:29:14.911
yeah,
00:29:15.936 --> 00:29:16.896
so good.
00:29:16.896 --> 00:29:21.487
But then there is also the other, um, rat in the jungle.
00:29:22.717 --> 00:29:26.376
I don't, she didn't die, did
00:29:26.431 --> 00:29:27.631
yeah, yeah,
00:29:29.961 --> 00:29:35.692
I know her, um, wait, by the, did she die?
00:29:35.692 --> 00:29:36.862
By the ants?
00:29:38.135 --> 00:29:38.346
yeah.
00:29:38.842 --> 00:29:39.261
Oh, okay.
00:29:39.261 --> 00:29:39.951
I'm just,
00:29:41.885 --> 00:29:46.925
No, it was, it was one where they didn't expressly like show her dying,
00:29:47.511 --> 00:29:47.811
yeah.
00:29:47.811 --> 00:29:48.382
It was more of
00:29:48.486 --> 00:29:53.465
but it was more like heavily implied that she couldn't live.
00:29:54.057 --> 00:29:54.176
Hmm.
00:29:54.246 --> 00:29:54.365
Yeah.
00:29:55.570 --> 00:29:55.861
Yeah.
00:29:56.586 --> 00:29:56.876
Yeah.
00:29:56.885 --> 00:30:01.715
That's the one that I was like, that's the saddest death in any middle grade book I have ever read.
00:30:01.925 --> 00:30:03.996
I absolutely love her for that same reason.
00:30:04.056 --> 00:30:12.365
Like I remember the reading the, or listening to the part where she snuggles up to Gregor's leg and you're like, she's opening up.
00:30:12.455 --> 00:30:13.355
That's so sweet.
00:30:13.355 --> 00:30:13.895
You know?
00:30:14.116 --> 00:30:14.537
Mm-hmm.
00:30:14.586 --> 00:30:19.115
the next letter is like, and they get cornered and she gets stabbed in the nose and she dies.
00:30:19.145 --> 00:30:20.675
And you're like, oh my God.
00:30:21.756 --> 00:30:22.776
That's tragic
00:30:23.227 --> 00:30:26.436
Wait, there's another rat in the jungle with them.
00:30:26.436 --> 00:30:29.257
Not, um, the super sniffer.
00:30:30.155 --> 00:30:30.486
it.
00:30:30.486 --> 00:30:31.685
Yeah, it's the super sniffer.
00:30:31.685 --> 00:30:31.925
one.
00:30:33.727 --> 00:30:36.757
I'll need to go back'cause I swore it was a different rat.
00:30:37.865 --> 00:30:44.405
There are other rats, but yeah, the mom rat, that one is also pretty tragic.
00:30:46.027 --> 00:30:51.906
Um,'cause I, yeah, I still thought that super sniffer was with us.
00:30:52.116 --> 00:30:53.287
I only, I need to go back,
00:30:54.846 --> 00:30:56.705
Uh, I'm pretty sure she's not.
00:30:58.297 --> 00:30:58.807
well,
00:30:58.865 --> 00:31:02.736
I'm misremembering, let me know, but like, I'm pretty sure
00:31:03.846 --> 00:31:04.326
because Yeah.
00:31:04.326 --> 00:31:05.946
I've been waiting for her to come back.
00:31:06.277 --> 00:31:11.376
'cause I'm like, I, I feel like this will be a good time for her to come back and like shave the day.
00:31:11.376 --> 00:31:17.771
Because like I thought when he was practicing with Rip Rad and all the lights went out and he was hoping for Rip Rad.
00:31:18.126 --> 00:31:21.126
'cause he was going to rip red.
00:31:21.862 --> 00:31:29.332
kill the Bain and then, uh, this, these other rats ambushed him instead.
00:31:29.541 --> 00:31:38.511
And I thought the super sniffer was gonna save him that point instead of him finding his way out by the lantern that he left.
00:31:39.682 --> 00:31:42.741
But if you're right, already dead.
00:31:44.031 --> 00:31:44.392
So,
00:31:46.310 --> 00:31:46.601
Yeah.
00:31:47.451 --> 00:31:47.902
oof.
00:31:48.590 --> 00:31:49.800
What do you think of Rip Brad?
00:31:51.352 --> 00:32:02.751
I have a love hate relationship with him because like he is saying the right things, but he's a jerk about it.
00:32:05.777 --> 00:32:05.997
And
00:32:06.310 --> 00:32:06.530
Yep.
00:32:07.251 --> 00:32:10.491
like, so it's, uh, I'm like, I get it.
00:32:10.491 --> 00:32:20.842
Re but you could have a, you could go about that differently and then he has like these soft moments and then because there's like that moment where he was.
00:32:21.817 --> 00:32:27.547
mad at the one rat for checking out and Gregor's like, okay, enough, leave her alone.
00:32:27.547 --> 00:32:30.126
I know her fur needs to get cleaned or whatever.
00:32:30.126 --> 00:32:31.326
He is like, I'll do it.
00:32:31.686 --> 00:32:39.037
And so like Gregor painstakingly cleans this rat, um, rip bread's like, okay, whatever.
00:32:39.037 --> 00:32:45.906
But like Rip bread was like physically abusing this rat trying to get her back on her feet.
00:32:46.596 --> 00:32:51.666
it's like, yeah, she needs to not check out, but you don't need to fricking like bite her.
00:32:53.767 --> 00:33:02.346
So I love hate relationship with him because he in clutch, but sometimes I think in the wrong way.
00:33:04.596 --> 00:33:05.135
Okay.
00:33:05.465 --> 00:33:06.635
I just love him.
00:33:07.026 --> 00:33:15.935
Um,'cause in That scene, isn't he like thinking about how humans don't treat rats.
00:33:15.935 --> 00:33:17.586
that way and how sweet it is.
00:33:19.671 --> 00:33:21.260
Or am I misremembering that
00:33:21.442 --> 00:33:22.221
humans don't.
00:33:22.221 --> 00:33:23.511
treat rats.
00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:28.520
he's cleaning the rat's wound, it doesn't rip Brad say something.
00:33:28.520 --> 00:33:33.526
Or isn't it from his point of view where he's like, humans don't do that.
00:33:34.912 --> 00:33:35.662
Oh.
00:33:35.751 --> 00:33:37.071
Um, yeah.
00:33:37.071 --> 00:33:42.801
I think there's like a part where everybody was like, kind of watching Gregor being like, what?
00:33:43.011 --> 00:33:44.392
This is weird.
00:33:44.392 --> 00:33:45.261
What are you doing?
00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:50.510
Yeah, humans don't care for rats, But like Gregory does.
00:33:50.510 --> 00:33:54.171
and he's like, oh, that's, that's really nice of him to do.
00:33:54.290 --> 00:33:54.621
And
00:33:54.951 --> 00:33:55.491
yeah,
00:33:56.030 --> 00:33:56.840
it was kind of cool.
00:33:57.231 --> 00:34:04.612
there was this one quote where, um, Gregor had seen, um, his bat.
00:34:04.971 --> 00:34:09.172
That he bonded with, had the plague, and he didn't want the rats.
00:34:09.291 --> 00:34:12.021
He is like, I wouldn't even wear this on my worst enemy, or whatever.
00:34:12.442 --> 00:34:16.311
And everybody's like, well, you forgive too easily, Gregor.
00:34:16.311 --> 00:34:21.411
And he's like, no, I don't, but I don't believe anybody should die like this.
00:34:21.442 --> 00:34:25.581
He's like, I'm still pissed at a lot of the rats, but he's like, not all rats.
00:34:27.231 --> 00:34:27.831
So
00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:35.585
it's almost as if people should be held accountable for their actions and not just their race or color or
00:34:35.992 --> 00:34:36.351
mm-hmm.
00:34:37.306 --> 00:34:37.465
whatever.
00:34:37.856 --> 00:34:39.025
Kind of, kind of interesting.
00:34:39.382 --> 00:34:40.492
like, I'm with you.
00:34:40.521 --> 00:34:44.902
That I think Gregor the overlander is underrated.
00:34:44.931 --> 00:34:45.952
Yeah, underrated.
00:34:46.342 --> 00:34:56.692
Um, I, I also think that it's insane that Suzanne Collins, who's pretty well known, like, I had no idea that she wrote these books.
00:34:57.411 --> 00:35:00.262
then when you mentioned it, I was like, what?
00:35:00.262 --> 00:35:03.771
She has things other than it's the Hunger Games, right.
00:35:05.226 --> 00:35:05.586
Yeah.
00:35:05.586 --> 00:35:06.036
I'm like, what?
00:35:06.786 --> 00:35:13.027
And it, it's, it's funny'cause I can see a little bit of hunger games in them a
00:35:13.311 --> 00:35:14.661
Oh, I couldn't at all.
00:35:15.021 --> 00:35:20.630
I, I remember being like, Susan Collins wrote this before Hunger Games.
00:35:21.081 --> 00:35:25.041
She became such a worse writer after this.
00:35:26.916 --> 00:35:36.456
No, it's like with the relationship of like, Gregor is like raising boots, um, where like Kane was raising
00:35:36.951 --> 00:35:37.221
Yeah.
00:35:37.536 --> 00:35:41.047
That's the only thing that I could see that was like that.
00:35:41.047 --> 00:35:44.586
And that like, Gregor is super poor and Kane was finally a super poor.
00:35:44.586 --> 00:35:48.246
So I'm like, Suzanne Collins, did you grow up really poor?
00:35:48.246 --> 00:35:50.021
Because it seems to be,
00:35:51.036 --> 00:35:54.920
Were you, did you happen to be raised by, or did you happen to raise a sibling?
00:35:55.552 --> 00:35:55.842
yeah.
00:35:56.856 --> 00:35:57.576
I wonder.
00:35:57.996 --> 00:35:59.166
Wonder if there's that theme there.
00:35:59.166 --> 00:35:59.436
Yeah.
00:35:59.436 --> 00:36:00.306
that's that's fair.
00:36:00.306 --> 00:36:01.445
I didn't think about that.
00:36:01.445 --> 00:36:07.596
I remember, I do really like the first Hunger Games book, but the rest of'em are crap.
00:36:08.271 --> 00:36:08.572
Hmm.
00:36:08.735 --> 00:36:16.295
Um, I, I remember reading Gregor the Overlander in my adult life for the first time all the way through.
00:36:16.295 --> 00:36:18.965
I, I read the first one in elementary, but that was it.
00:36:20.405 --> 00:36:25.295
And I was like, these are consistently good.
00:36:25.806 --> 00:36:26.465
What happens?
00:36:26.465 --> 00:36:28.686
Susan Collins, you used to write sequels.
00:36:30.050 --> 00:36:31.851
I still want you to write a sequel.
00:36:32.001 --> 00:36:38.840
I will to this day want you to write another Gregor, the over letter book because of how this this series ends.
00:36:39.351 --> 00:36:49.641
Um, but no, you went off and you wrote the Hunger Game series and like props to you.
00:36:49.670 --> 00:36:54.351
That one is definitely more popular, but this one is so much better.
00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:56.690
It's not even close.
00:36:57.067 --> 00:37:05.617
It is funny too'cause I realized that like you're getting a different, um, like area to explore.
00:37:05.617 --> 00:37:10.567
So like I feel like the second one you have kind of like the ocean and then
00:37:10.610 --> 00:37:10.820
Yeah.
00:37:10.927 --> 00:37:12.336
third one is the jungle.
00:37:12.336 --> 00:37:12.606
Fourth
00:37:12.896 --> 00:37:13.315
Mm-hmm.
00:37:13.567 --> 00:37:15.697
like lava and hot.
00:37:16.056 --> 00:37:17.646
Um, oh my gosh.
00:37:17.646 --> 00:37:18.907
And I hate the lightning bugs.
00:37:18.907 --> 00:37:19.507
They can die.
00:37:22.327 --> 00:37:24.726
And I love how much, like everybody hates the lightning
00:37:25.996 --> 00:37:26.806
Because they're.
00:37:27.606 --> 00:37:28.721
Total wads,
00:37:29.072 --> 00:37:29.842
They're a
00:37:30.070 --> 00:37:30.840
they suck.
00:37:32.722 --> 00:37:39.876
I did like, I felt a little bit bad when they popped up because they kind of popped up in their home and they're like, you guys live here?
00:37:39.876 --> 00:37:44.706
And they're like, yeah, the snails invaded us and no one's helped us.
00:37:44.947 --> 00:37:52.836
And they're like, to be fair, we didn't even understand that you were being invaded because anybody could fight off a snail.
00:37:55.237 --> 00:38:08.916
But yeah, it was really funny that they're like, I really like that she has characters that are hateable and then ones that are like, she's really good at writing and these different groups and things.
00:38:09.336 --> 00:38:11.347
Um, yeah.
00:38:11.347 --> 00:38:14.911
And she's really good at making me hate the humans in the series,
00:38:16.146 --> 00:38:17.405
not all the humans, though.
00:38:17.916 --> 00:38:28.177
not all the humans, but, uh, because like Greg keeps saving people and then they're like, um, but you didn't save them how we wanted you to save them.
00:38:28.177 --> 00:38:31.927
So you're on trial and we might kill you in your bat because we don't like your bat either.
00:38:34.702 --> 00:38:39.547
And I'm like, goodness, how many freaking prophecies does this little boy?
00:38:39.577 --> 00:38:41.947
Because he's like 10 in the first book.
00:38:41.947 --> 00:38:43.746
And then he, he's 12 now.
00:38:43.746 --> 00:38:45.456
He just barely turned 12.
00:38:45.697 --> 00:38:53.496
And I'm like, you're putting all of your whole society and putting this poor child on trial after you just traumatized him.
00:38:55.686 --> 00:38:59.496
Oh, they, oh, get so angry when they keep doing that.
00:38:59.496 --> 00:39:00.936
I'm like, he's a baby.
00:39:01.086 --> 00:39:06.367
He keeps doing all these things, but he's still a kid just because his sister's more of a baby.
00:39:07.536 --> 00:39:07.657
Oh.
00:39:07.657 --> 00:39:07.987
Anyway,
00:39:09.815 --> 00:39:10.416
Okay.
00:39:11.407 --> 00:39:12.487
Oh, sorry, what?
00:39:12.846 --> 00:39:13.215
No, go ahead.
00:39:14.106 --> 00:39:21.367
That's why I really liked the um, oh, his name's not Hector, but the jungle dude.
00:39:21.456 --> 00:39:24.367
'cause he was the first person to treat Gregor like a child.
00:39:24.396 --> 00:39:24.487
And
00:39:25.416 --> 00:39:25.746
Hmm.
00:39:25.927 --> 00:39:27.067
you are a pup.
00:39:27.067 --> 00:39:29.527
Like you're a pup with all the rest of the kids.
00:39:29.677 --> 00:39:31.266
We need to keep you to have water.
00:39:31.597 --> 00:39:33.936
Uh, we need you to keep drinking water.
00:39:35.197 --> 00:39:36.547
So was a
00:39:36.846 --> 00:39:36.965
Okay.
00:39:37.626 --> 00:39:41.317
uh, eyeopener that the author didn't forget that Gregor was a kid.
00:39:45.246 --> 00:39:46.865
Okay, two more questions for you.
00:39:47.496 --> 00:39:52.175
The first one is, was Gregor the overlander wrong?
00:39:53.195 --> 00:39:55.025
Should he have killed Baby Bain?
00:39:57.637 --> 00:40:00.277
I mean, hindsight, you're like, yeah, kill that rat.
00:40:00.516 --> 00:40:03.817
But I don't, I don't think he was wrong.
00:40:04.237 --> 00:40:08.226
Um, yeah, I don't think he was wrong.
00:40:08.465 --> 00:40:08.856
Okay.
00:40:08.856 --> 00:40:10.235
You heard it here first.
00:40:10.266 --> 00:40:12.036
Lauren would sa save Hitler's life.
00:40:13.385 --> 00:40:13.775
Um,
00:40:15.007 --> 00:40:17.827
Gosh, you did
00:40:18.155 --> 00:40:20.436
it's literally the Holocaust.
00:40:20.615 --> 00:40:24.846
It is literally, should you kill baby Hitler.
00:40:24.996 --> 00:40:27.065
That is literally the situation.
00:40:27.246 --> 00:40:27.891
And you were like,
00:40:28.297 --> 00:40:28.416
I
00:40:28.431 --> 00:40:28.650
no.
00:40:29.197 --> 00:40:30.516
kill, Twisted tongue.
00:40:31.806 --> 00:40:33.847
Twist tongue, the
00:40:34.115 --> 00:40:34.775
Um,
00:40:34.987 --> 00:40:45.637
At manipulation, I would get rid of the people that manipulated the, I I would've kept the bane and tried to raise it to be good.
00:40:51.635 --> 00:40:53.315
okay, you heard up here first.
00:40:53.315 --> 00:40:55.985
Lauren's gonna kidnap baby Hitler,
00:40:57.516 --> 00:40:57.757
I'll let
00:40:57.786 --> 00:40:59.945
tear him away from his family
00:41:02.192 --> 00:41:02.311
I
00:41:02.436 --> 00:41:04.146
and raise him herself.
00:41:04.431 --> 00:41:10.597
I him get art school because that's.
00:41:15.951 --> 00:41:16.610
Okay.
00:41:16.610 --> 00:41:17.721
Last question.
00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:25.820
Would you rate each book that you're in so far on a scale of one to 10, and then the series as a whole So far.
00:41:26.362 --> 00:41:37.822
first one was a seven, second was an eight third, like 7.5, and this fourth one's back to an eight.
00:41:41.061 --> 00:41:44.181
so I would say the hole is an eight.
00:41:44.211 --> 00:41:44.271
Eight.
00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:45.590
Okay.
00:41:46.161 --> 00:41:49.280
And Fable Haven for Hughes, like a 9.5,
00:41:49.911 --> 00:41:50.541
Yeah.
00:41:51.201 --> 00:41:52.371
so it's not even close.
00:41:52.431 --> 00:41:52.911
Okay.
00:41:53.181 --> 00:41:53.840
That's too bad.
00:41:54.327 --> 00:41:54.617
like,
00:41:54.710 --> 00:41:55.101
I'm sorry.
00:41:55.101 --> 00:41:55.731
You don't get it
00:41:58.376 --> 00:41:59.317
you just don't get it.
00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:00.860
just don't get it.
00:42:01.911 --> 00:42:02.300
Sorry.
00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:03.501
You don't understand.
00:42:04.847 --> 00:42:11.782
It's, I still really like, I have to wait till the whole thing's done, till I can properly rate it,
00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:14.510
Yeah, but.
00:42:14.570 --> 00:42:18.650
how many Fable Haven books for you are Over a nine.
00:42:20.556 --> 00:42:21.456
Over a nine.
00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:22.490
Yeah.
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:23.690
Or out of nine.
00:42:24.547 --> 00:42:26.077
Uh, there's two that are at a nine,
00:42:27.050 --> 00:42:27.320
Okay.
00:42:27.907 --> 00:42:28.356
so
00:42:29.061 --> 00:42:30.351
Two of five.
00:42:30.487 --> 00:42:31.956
would have is like eights.
00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:33.411
Okay.
00:42:34.027 --> 00:42:34.536
So
00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:41.630
So if the last two Gregor the overlander books or nines, then, we can be in contention.
00:42:41.706 --> 00:42:43.597
then it would be competing as Fable Haven.
00:42:43.686 --> 00:42:44.137
But
00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:44.601
Okay.
00:42:44.706 --> 00:42:49.686
we all know, uh, I weirdly really love Fable Haven.
00:42:51.411 --> 00:42:52.371
I'm not mad at it.
00:42:52.371 --> 00:42:54.380
I really like Fable Haven too.
00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:58.971
I think that you can just skip the first book and it's a great time.
00:42:59.947 --> 00:43:00.396
Yeah.
00:43:00.456 --> 00:43:11.586
I have like, I think I have like more sentimental things towards Fable Haven that I don't think anything can Dece Fable Haven for
00:43:11.646 --> 00:43:12.545
That's fair.
00:43:12.936 --> 00:43:13.507
So
00:43:13.626 --> 00:43:14.135
fair.
00:43:14.347 --> 00:43:15.516
don't compare it to that.
00:43:15.516 --> 00:43:23.586
I would compare it to, um, thumps, Percy Jackson and I would say it's right there with those.
00:43:25.132 --> 00:43:25.351
So
00:43:26.826 --> 00:43:27.545
Yeah.
00:43:27.666 --> 00:43:35.226
I, have the sentimental tie to Percy Jackson series and even I'm like, Gregor, the overlander is so much better.
00:43:36.936 --> 00:43:37.896
It's not even close.
00:43:37.896 --> 00:43:40.416
Like I absolutely love Gregor the overlander.
00:43:40.956 --> 00:43:49.027
yeah, I feel like you can logic your and like with, um, oh, what's that called?
00:43:49.117 --> 00:44:02.257
Um, like you can be analytical enough to like bump things up, but my, I feel like I'm very emotional when I rate things, even when I'm like,
00:44:02.376 --> 00:44:02.615
Yeah,
00:44:02.916 --> 00:44:08.706
I see that this is clearly better, but due to my feelings, it's way better.
00:44:10.445 --> 00:44:11.525
that's totally fine.
00:44:11.646 --> 00:44:12.545
That's totally valid.
00:44:12.695 --> 00:44:13.686
There's nothing wrong with that.
00:44:14.661 --> 00:44:19.101
Yeah, so that's why I feel like I get a lot of people upset with like, this is so much better.
00:44:19.101 --> 00:44:20.992
I'm like, I understand, I hear you, but it's not,
00:44:24.036 --> 00:44:30.815
Well, to be fair, if I were to tell you critically, I don't think Gregor, the overlander is written better than Fable Haven,
00:44:31.177 --> 00:44:31.257
Hmm.
00:44:31.596 --> 00:44:34.266
with the exception of the first half of the first book.
00:44:34.775 --> 00:44:48.965
Like if you skip to the part where they're at Grandpa's house and the night, first night is over when they opened the window after that, the first book is okay.
00:44:49.655 --> 00:44:50.045
Um.
00:44:51.521 --> 00:44:57.411
But fa with Gregor the overlander, I don't think that it's necessary to skip the first part.
00:44:57.561 --> 00:44:58.010
Like,
00:44:58.431 --> 00:44:58.942
Yeah.
00:44:59.001 --> 00:45:05.692
It goes in pretty, like everything that it talks about is necessary.
00:45:06.411 --> 00:45:06.831
like
00:45:09.021 --> 00:45:09.507
sorry, go
00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:26.271
the, when I, I had tried to read Fable Haven like 12 times and every single time I got to the point where they were in the house, in the attic that night, I got to the night and I was like, I'm so bored.
00:45:26.751 --> 00:45:28.371
This sucks.
00:45:28.581 --> 00:45:30.260
I can't do it anymore.
00:45:30.501 --> 00:45:37.820
Like as soon as I got through the night and we finally moved on, I was like, okay, I get why people like Fable Haven.
00:45:40.612 --> 00:45:46.192
Yeah, I used to think, I don't know why, but I used to hate the second book.
00:45:47.331 --> 00:45:49.882
but it's actually become one of my f favorites.
00:45:50.751 --> 00:45:55.822
the third, fourth, second, first fifth is how it goes for me.
00:45:57.021 --> 00:46:02.661
Well, I think the second Fable Haven book is the one most directed to older.
00:46:03.860 --> 00:46:13.791
Um, it's kind of like the author was like, I want the books to age with my audience, so I'm going to mature it a little bit.
00:46:15.302 --> 00:46:15.422
Hmm.
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.481
And then realized, Oh.
00:46:17.481 --> 00:46:25.670
that's not really the right choice because my characters aren't aging with my audience.
00:46:25.791 --> 00:46:28.161
So I'm gonna revert back a little bit.
00:46:29.077 --> 00:46:29.496
Yeah.
00:46:29.510 --> 00:46:34.280
Um, that's my best explanation to that'cause I'm with you.
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.751
I liked The second book,
00:46:37.657 --> 00:46:38.047
yeah.
00:46:38.150 --> 00:46:39.411
is a little bit more mature.
00:46:39.936 --> 00:46:52.987
I didn't like about the second book is like she gets a crush on Warren and they're related, and I'm like, you don't, you don't need to add
00:46:53.081 --> 00:46:53.371
Yeah,
00:46:54.726 --> 00:46:54.936
like that.
00:46:54.936 --> 00:46:54.996
So
00:46:55.101 --> 00:46:55.391
yeah,
00:46:56.737 --> 00:46:56.916
You
00:46:56.990 --> 00:46:57.280
yeah.
00:46:57.306 --> 00:47:01.597
have them not be related if you had to have that crush there.
00:47:02.916 --> 00:47:06.876
But it's always weirded me out and I don't think I, I will ever get over it.
00:47:06.876 --> 00:47:11.197
And that's why I have such a weird thing about the second book, because I love the tower.
00:47:11.947 --> 00:47:17.677
Um, but anyway, that was a, a, a soapbox.
00:47:17.856 --> 00:47:25.746
Uh, go on to our shared topic, which I believe was a fan recommendation.
00:47:26.106 --> 00:47:30.427
I don't know specifically who, um, recommended this.
00:47:30.427 --> 00:47:31.237
Do you have that?
00:47:32.496 --> 00:47:35.376
Uh, somebody called Mira, she sent me an email.
00:47:35.887 --> 00:47:36.306
Okay.
00:47:36.306 --> 00:47:37.237
So we got an email
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:37.670
Okay.
00:47:38.317 --> 00:47:49.686
saying we should watch odd Thomas and I got excited because I've seen it before and I wanted, uh, I wanted Colin and Josh to watch this.
00:47:51.067 --> 00:47:53.737
so let's go on what you think about Odd Thomas.
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.030
Okay.
00:47:57.650 --> 00:47:59.780
Where to begin?
00:48:00.067 --> 00:48:01.552
doesn't sound optimistic.
00:48:04.041 --> 00:48:10.130
I absolutely love almost everything about this movie.
00:48:11.126 --> 00:48:11.347
Why
00:48:11.425 --> 00:48:11.545
I,
00:48:11.751 --> 00:48:12.186
do this to me?
00:48:12.561 --> 00:48:14.666
You make me think you hate it, and then you're like, I.
00:48:17.570 --> 00:48:18.981
I hate the ending.
00:48:20.451 --> 00:48:23.721
I think the ending is utter garbage.
00:48:24.141 --> 00:48:31.371
Um, I was sitting there watching the ending and I was like, I, she's not talking.
00:48:33.981 --> 00:48:35.990
She's not, she's not saying anything.
00:48:36.021 --> 00:48:36.740
She's dead.
00:48:37.161 --> 00:48:38.181
She's definitely dead.
00:48:38.871 --> 00:48:39.141
Um.
00:48:40.025 --> 00:48:44.795
But I wanted it to be ambiguous with that.
00:48:44.885 --> 00:48:47.405
Like I just wanted the movie to end right there.
00:48:49.235 --> 00:48:54.576
And I wanted fans like me to have observed that and be able to figure out the ending.
00:48:54.635 --> 00:48:56.795
I thought that would've been a cool thing.
00:48:58.235 --> 00:49:03.365
But then they have Will Defoe walk in and be like, she's dead bro.
00:49:03.815 --> 00:49:06.635
And they're like, Ugh.
00:49:07.117 --> 00:49:08.592
Don't treat your audience dumb.
00:49:09.965 --> 00:49:12.876
And then he goes over and he like makes out with her.
00:49:13.626 --> 00:49:21.246
And I'm like, how uncomfortable must that have been for Willam Defoe to watch this guy go start making out with the air?
00:49:21.306 --> 00:49:23.195
Because you can't see dead people.
00:49:23.945 --> 00:49:24.876
You just see
00:49:26.391 --> 00:49:27.211
Oh gosh.
00:49:27.965 --> 00:49:29.826
and you're like, oh, gross.
00:49:30.275 --> 00:49:32.135
Stop watching that.
00:49:32.135 --> 00:49:33.905
That is nasty.
00:49:35.436 --> 00:49:35.945
Right?
00:49:36.005 --> 00:49:37.445
And I feel like that's.
00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:45.920
Absolutely cruel of Willem Defoe and Company to let odd Thomas think she was alive,
00:49:46.192 --> 00:49:46.612
Mm-hmm.
00:49:48.050 --> 00:49:50.960
like he dealt with.
00:49:51.050 --> 00:50:07.521
Maybe she died, he saw her again, and instead of letting him know the truth, you just let him have that happiness and hope again, just, just to tear it away from him.
00:50:07.521 --> 00:50:09.440
I think that's absolutely cruel.
00:50:09.740 --> 00:50:10.940
So I hate that ending.
00:50:11.331 --> 00:50:19.820
If it was left ambiguous right, then in my mind, I can have him figure it out.
00:50:20.646 --> 00:50:21.306
Yeah.
00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:34.791
Um, and it not, it'd be a lot more healthy of a situation, but the fact that like Willem Defoe knew and decided to just let him think is just awful, awful, awful.
00:50:35.887 --> 00:50:36.427
Yeah.
00:50:36.681 --> 00:50:41.150
That being said, the rest of this movie is absolutely amazing.
00:50:41.210 --> 00:50:45.860
I am very grateful to who I, the person that recommended this.
00:50:46.251 --> 00:50:50.271
Um, this is what romance should look like.
00:50:50.721 --> 00:50:54.740
Uh, that is what romance to me should look like.
00:50:55.010 --> 00:51:00.110
Um, I love the way they interact with each other.
00:51:00.170 --> 00:51:01.940
I love that he's quirky and weird.
00:51:02.121 --> 00:51:10.190
I love that she like, plays off that weird instead of judging him for it.
00:51:10.731 --> 00:51:19.581
Um, I love that she absolutely accepts him 100%, but also makes fun of him and teases him in a healthy way.
00:51:19.971 --> 00:51:28.820
Um, if I were to be ever be asked the question going forward, Hey Josh, what are you looking for?
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:38.030
In a girl, I'm gonna say watch Odd Thomas and look at Stormy, because that is an amazing woman.
00:51:38.510 --> 00:51:58.221
Um, dealing with a hard situation, um, in to odds, Thomas's abilities and just accepting and loving him and giving him all the reassurance and him doing the same for her.
00:51:58.581 --> 00:52:07.130
And, uh, he has these moments of like, I kind of want to be able to provide more and be more for you.
00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:14.061
And she's not, she's like, it'll come, you know, like, we're good.
00:52:14.481 --> 00:52:15.291
Things are good.
00:52:15.471 --> 00:52:18.501
You know, she very clearly wants to move in with him.
00:52:18.621 --> 00:52:20.630
He's very clearly hesitant.
00:52:21.021 --> 00:52:21.351
Um.
00:52:21.771 --> 00:52:25.221
But it's not like that stops them from being a couple.
00:52:25.221 --> 00:52:27.081
She's not holding it as a grudge.
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:35.990
She's just being patient with him, accepting him, loving him, and he's doing the same thing for her.
00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:40.731
That is absolutely great, healthy, perfect.
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:42.081
They have problems.
00:52:42.260 --> 00:52:44.030
They talk about the problems.
00:52:44.210 --> 00:52:45.530
They deal with the problems.
00:52:45.650 --> 00:52:48.891
They make a plan for the problems, and they move forward with it.
00:52:49.190 --> 00:52:52.161
There's no grudge holding, there's no petty behavior.
00:52:52.521 --> 00:52:56.900
There is simple, just adoration and love for each other.
00:52:57.110 --> 00:52:58.820
It is beautiful.
00:52:58.820 --> 00:52:59.780
I absolutely love it.
00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:12.050
Um, I absolutely loved the scene, uh, which I originally hated, uh, where she flirts with the cop and I was like, oh, right in front of him.
00:53:12.050 --> 00:53:13.340
That's just cruel.
00:53:13.431 --> 00:53:14.570
That's messed up.
00:53:15.231 --> 00:53:16.340
Not loving that.
00:53:17.076 --> 00:53:20.885
Then it turns into the scene where he goes, you don't do that to me, do you?
00:53:20.885 --> 00:53:23.766
And she's like, all the time, but I promise you like it.
00:53:23.766 --> 00:53:26.135
And he's like, oh, I like it.
00:53:26.135 --> 00:53:26.706
Do I?
00:53:26.856 --> 00:53:30.246
You know, like they just accepted love each other.
00:53:30.306 --> 00:53:31.865
Oh, it's so beautiful.
00:53:31.865 --> 00:53:32.916
It's amazing.
00:53:33.936 --> 00:53:34.956
Ladies.
00:53:35.226 --> 00:53:40.956
Look for a man like that, that just absolutely adores you for who you are.
00:53:41.405 --> 00:53:44.076
Guys, same freaking thing.
00:53:44.076 --> 00:53:46.746
Look for your stormy screw.
00:53:46.746 --> 00:53:47.945
Jim and Pam.
00:53:48.215 --> 00:53:51.155
Screw the Princess Bride couple.
00:53:51.545 --> 00:54:02.496
That is Peak Romance right there Odd Thomas and Stormy is just absolute peak, peak romance.
00:54:02.735 --> 00:54:04.206
The comedy's great.
00:54:04.445 --> 00:54:05.795
The ability is unique.
00:54:05.856 --> 00:54:07.806
I love the special effects in this movie.
00:54:07.806 --> 00:54:09.905
I think they look really, really great.
00:54:10.295 --> 00:54:14.916
Um, I, my only complaint about this movie.
00:54:15.275 --> 00:54:18.726
Literally the only one is how it ends.
00:54:18.755 --> 00:54:26.675
And it's like, I, I, I like the way everything ties up.
00:54:26.795 --> 00:54:28.925
I like the mystery, how it ties up.
00:54:28.985 --> 00:54:38.525
I like that you're given some evidence moving forward and you can kind of piece it together, but it's at the same pace, like as you're piecing it together.
00:54:39.666 --> 00:54:40.896
So is odd.
00:54:41.286 --> 00:54:55.445
Um, when he does the whole like, oh, I remember this from before, it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.
00:54:55.775 --> 00:54:56.916
Like, um,
00:54:57.032 --> 00:54:57.646
with you, bro.
00:54:59.195 --> 00:55:00.246
saw it too, man.
00:55:00.335 --> 00:55:01.206
I'm right there with you.
00:55:01.206 --> 00:55:04.326
It was on my list of evidence that you seem to ignore before.
00:55:04.686 --> 00:55:09.155
Um, but like as he's piecing it together, you're like, yeah, I see it.
00:55:09.155 --> 00:55:13.985
You know, it's all making sense now to, I absolutely love this movie.
00:55:14.226 --> 00:55:14.476
It's great.
00:55:16.487 --> 00:55:16.996
Yeah.
00:55:17.086 --> 00:55:19.317
Uh, so what would you rate it?
00:55:22.956 --> 00:55:23.947
9.8.
00:55:24.126 --> 00:55:28.175
to knock it down because of the ending.
00:55:29.255 --> 00:55:37.056
Um, I'm gonna give it a 9.5'cause I do truly hate that ending.
00:55:38.552 --> 00:55:38.842
Yeah.
00:55:38.951 --> 00:55:44.795
I, I, I hate it, but like, it's a Willam Defoe movie, so of course it's good.
00:55:47.286 --> 00:55:51.126
I was not expecting to like this as much as I did.
00:55:51.485 --> 00:55:53.585
I didn't look into it at all.
00:55:53.615 --> 00:55:55.356
I had never heard of this movie before.
00:55:55.356 --> 00:55:59.885
It was recommended I put it on the list because it was recommended.
00:55:59.885 --> 00:56:05.106
I don't even think you saw it on the list when you recommended it last week as a shared topic or,
00:56:05.166 --> 00:56:08.016
I saw that it was a recommended one, and then
00:56:08.286 --> 00:56:08.760
oh, okay.
00:56:08.916 --> 00:56:09.817
let's do it.
00:56:09.817 --> 00:56:10.476
And I love it.
00:56:10.686 --> 00:56:11.106
Okay.
00:56:12.186 --> 00:56:16.536
I was just like, wow, that was an awful coincidence that you were like, I'm in the mood for Odd Thomas.
00:56:16.536 --> 00:56:20.465
And I was like, well, just so you know, it was a recommendation this week too.
00:56:20.496 --> 00:56:21.306
How cool is that?
00:56:21.365 --> 00:56:26.585
Um, absolute Love this movie.
00:56:26.585 --> 00:56:28.356
It's amazing.
00:56:28.445 --> 00:56:33.065
Just stop like 15 minutes before the end and call it good.
00:56:33.126 --> 00:56:35.016
'cause that ending stupid,
00:56:35.347 --> 00:56:35.766
That's
00:56:35.945 --> 00:56:37.445
ruined so much.
00:56:37.896 --> 00:56:41.766
I love Willem Defoe's character until that point.
00:56:42.065 --> 00:56:46.536
Um, yeah, it's great.
00:56:46.655 --> 00:56:47.346
What'd you think?
00:56:48.297 --> 00:56:56.152
I, so I first watched this movie because I really like the actor who plays odd.
00:56:56.541 --> 00:56:59.751
Um, and I was trying to find more movies that he was
00:57:00.005 --> 00:57:00.545
Sorry?
00:57:00.905 --> 00:57:02.436
What else is he in.
00:57:02.632 --> 00:57:10.521
He's in Star Trek and he is the voice actor for, um, troll Hunter.
00:57:12.081 --> 00:57:12.530
Okay.
00:57:13.237 --> 00:57:13.777
so I
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:14.690
Star Trek.
00:57:14.690 --> 00:57:17.360
Uh, it's not my thing, but troll hunters, I guess.
00:57:17.391 --> 00:57:17.481
yeah,
00:57:18.097 --> 00:57:18.487
yeah.
00:57:18.786 --> 00:57:32.527
So, uh, I had just finished troll hunters and then I was really sad'cause I found out that, uh, the actor had died and saw, I was trying to find other movies that he was in, and I saw Odd Thomas.
00:57:32.527 --> 00:57:37.117
And so I was like, well he looks like his main character in that one, so he'll have a lot of screen time.
00:57:38.586 --> 00:57:45.367
So I watched it and I was like, okay, I'm surprised I haven't ever heard of this before.
00:57:45.786 --> 00:57:48.306
Um, and that more people aren't talking about it.
00:57:50.586 --> 00:57:58.027
and it was kind of weird that I had found out that he was dead when I watched this movie.
00:58:00.487 --> 00:58:09.067
but, uh, I really like his power of he sees like these, I can't remember what they're called, but they follow, um.
00:58:09.862 --> 00:58:13.942
kind of, they don't bring death, but they like feed off of death.
00:58:13.942 --> 00:58:16.822
So when they come into town, you know something's gonna happen.
00:58:17.661 --> 00:58:24.652
in the first bit you see all of these things swarming in and it made me so anxious the whole time.
00:58:24.652 --> 00:58:28.371
'cause I'm like, if I had his power, I'd be so dead, they would know.
00:58:28.371 --> 00:58:36.891
I see them all the time because if they notice that you can see them, they let go after you and try to kill you.
00:58:37.581 --> 00:58:44.992
Um, and so there's this scene with him and Stormy at his work at this diner, and he's trying to play off that.
00:58:44.992 --> 00:58:46.192
He doesn't see this.
00:58:47.317 --> 00:58:51.067
This thing and he sees it like going after Stormy.
00:58:51.336 --> 00:58:57.757
And so he like yells at her and then like throws this weird kiss, like he throws a kiss at her.
00:58:58.146 --> 00:59:00.637
And I like how she like catches it from William to phone.
00:59:00.637 --> 00:59:05.317
She's like, oh, that would've been awkward, but I'm right with you.
00:59:05.317 --> 00:59:08.677
I really like odd and Stormy's relationship.
00:59:09.637 --> 00:59:20.827
at first when I saw like what type of character she was, I thought they were gonna go with the um, she thinks she's too cool for everyone, but that's not what she is.
00:59:20.827 --> 00:59:25.836
She's just very confident in who she is and she's very nice to everyone around her.
00:59:25.836 --> 00:59:35.226
Everybody likes Stormy and like people don't understand why she likes and how odd and her get along so well.
00:59:35.556 --> 00:59:37.896
Um, and I love that.
00:59:37.987 --> 00:59:38.347
Um,
00:59:38.541 --> 00:59:42.650
Well, she's a 10 and he's like a six, so that's why, right?
00:59:42.650 --> 00:59:48.110
Like you have to admit, she is so attractive and he is so not.
00:59:48.592 --> 00:59:50.061
Well, I think he is attractive.
00:59:50.061 --> 00:59:51.472
I specifically
00:59:51.740 --> 00:59:52.101
No,
00:59:52.581 --> 00:59:54.322
to, to I like
00:59:54.621 --> 00:59:54.920
no.
00:59:55.371 --> 01:00:05.061
Um, it was interesting'cause there's a part where he is, he went and looked at this house, even though she didn't really want him to do that.
01:00:05.092 --> 01:00:17.152
Becausecause, she wants him to be safe and he is like, calls her and tells her where he is and she doesn't like get mad or anything, but she is like, okay, but like, you need to be safe about this and stuff.
01:00:17.152 --> 01:00:21.472
And then she's like, okay, it looks like I just have to tail with you to make sure that you stay safe.
01:00:22.882 --> 01:00:30.411
And so it's, yeah, it's a really wholesome, uh, really wholesome couple.
01:00:30.652 --> 01:00:37.672
And when I watched it and I saw her not talking at the end, I was like, I thought they got away with it.
01:00:37.672 --> 01:00:39.226
I thought they got away.
01:00:41.067 --> 01:00:43.311
I was like, because I could see the ending.
01:00:43.746 --> 01:00:45.967
Uh, when she was in the shop, I was like, oh, she's dead.
01:00:45.967 --> 01:00:47.827
But then she popped back up and I was like, yay.
01:00:47.887 --> 01:00:56.317
And then she didn't say anything and I was like, you need to start speaking words, because I thought you got away with it.
01:01:00.036 --> 01:01:01.297
So I, yeah.
01:01:01.356 --> 01:01:02.856
This time I watched it.
01:01:02.856 --> 01:01:06.641
I ended it before willing to fuck came in.
01:01:08.286 --> 01:01:10.896
But yeah, it was a really
01:01:10.971 --> 01:01:13.490
I, I'm right there with you.
01:01:13.490 --> 01:01:20.840
I love that he like lied to her the first time he was doing something he shouldn't and that she told him not to do.
01:01:21.981 --> 01:01:28.581
And like he knew immediately that he can't get away with lying to her.
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:39.291
And instead of judging him, she's just like, okay, I know you are who you are, and like, but like, be safe please.
01:01:39.291 --> 01:01:39.981
You know, like.
01:01:41.481 --> 01:01:44.420
Look at that wholesome acceptance.
01:01:44.601 --> 01:01:48.291
Like she didn't just start whining at him for lying.
01:01:48.471 --> 01:01:49.521
He was just like, Yeah, I.
01:01:49.521 --> 01:01:51.351
knew you were gonna do it anyway.
01:01:51.650 --> 01:01:52.311
I'm not happy.
01:01:52.311 --> 01:01:54.471
You lied to me about what you just did.
01:01:54.650 --> 01:01:56.001
Thank you for telling me the truth.
01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:57.740
This is what we need to do.
01:01:57.831 --> 01:01:59.030
Be safe please.
01:01:59.331 --> 01:02:03.590
Or I'm gonna start following you around to this Creepos house, you know?
01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:04.190
And it's
01:02:05.452 --> 01:02:05.742
Yeah,
01:02:06.710 --> 01:02:07.701
so healthy.
01:02:07.701 --> 01:02:10.311
It's so good to see romance like that.
01:02:10.311 --> 01:02:11.061
It's so good.
01:02:11.286 --> 01:02:33.817
That's, yeah, that's what I really liked about this movie is that one you didn't really get, like, the anxiety that Odd Thomas was gonna get in trouble with the police because he had, like, the, William Defoe had his back, and I loved that relationship too, where like William Defoe was just trying to have a date night with his wife and they keep calling him and he's like, what is it now?
01:02:33.817 --> 01:02:37.871
And he's like, oh, I'm just, I'm just keeping you updated on where we're now.
01:02:39.726 --> 01:02:49.086
It's, So I liked that there wasn't, they didn't like, they didn't need to have the anxiety of like, oh, the cops are against awe too.
01:02:49.447 --> 01:02:53.047
You had this nice little thing that they need to figure out.
01:02:53.166 --> 01:02:59.237
He had two really good relationships with people who had his back and yeah, I, I, yeah.
01:02:59.237 --> 01:03:00.396
I like this movie a lot.
01:03:00.996 --> 01:03:08.675
Well, yeah, just building off of that, like, uh, I've been talking about Stormy's relationship with odd, but like Willam Defoe's character as well.
01:03:08.675 --> 01:03:19.565
Like, like you said, he was trying to have this date night and it kept getting interrupted and you could see the frustration and annoyance on Willam Defoe's face'cause he's a fantastic actor.
01:03:21.126 --> 01:03:24.576
And yet did he respond with irritation?
01:03:24.905 --> 01:03:28.206
No, he jabbed at him a little bit, but understood ADE's.
01:03:29.135 --> 01:03:30.965
Trying to do a good thing.
01:03:31.146 --> 01:03:34.835
He's assuming that UD is trying to be a good person.
01:03:35.076 --> 01:03:42.396
He is respecting uds ability and like shows patience and understanding.
01:03:42.846 --> 01:03:47.436
You know, he's like, he'll answer the phone and be like, you've gotta be kidding me.
01:03:47.675 --> 01:03:50.496
But at the same time, he is like, no, tell me what it is.
01:03:50.826 --> 01:03:51.186
Okay.
01:03:51.186 --> 01:03:52.686
This is what we're gonna do about it.
01:03:53.255 --> 01:03:54.996
Thank you for informing me.
01:03:54.996 --> 01:04:01.686
You know, like, wow, respect, patience, good friendship.
01:04:02.525 --> 01:04:04.025
Wow, look at that.
01:04:04.085 --> 01:04:04.476
Um,
01:04:05.527 --> 01:04:27.396
Mm-hmm.
01:04:27.501 --> 01:04:30.471
love all the acceptance and love in this movie.
01:04:30.471 --> 01:04:31.280
It's so good.
01:04:31.610 --> 01:04:37.101
Uh, I, I even like that they showed her not talking, right?
01:04:37.101 --> 01:04:44.030
Like, it is only when Willem Defoe walks in and says like, now she's actually dead, man.
01:04:44.335 --> 01:04:48.650
Like, the way he tells him is just gross to me.
01:04:48.650 --> 01:04:49.791
It's cruel.
01:04:50.240 --> 01:04:55.130
Uh, everything else about it, I was just like, that ending.
01:04:55.130 --> 01:04:56.001
Come on.
01:04:57.172 --> 01:05:01.911
Like, yeah, I feel like they could have done something like, oh, sorry, is stormy here?
01:05:01.911 --> 01:05:03.681
And she's like right there or something.
01:05:04.311 --> 01:05:05.001
Um,
01:05:05.181 --> 01:05:05.541
Yeah.
01:05:05.545 --> 01:05:05.815
Like,
01:05:05.871 --> 01:05:05.931
to
01:05:06.110 --> 01:05:10.431
have Willam Defoe not know the whole time.
01:05:10.550 --> 01:05:10.911
Right.
01:05:10.971 --> 01:05:11.960
Then it's not cruel.
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:13.251
Then he's like, oh, okay.
01:05:13.521 --> 01:05:14.630
We have to correct this.
01:05:14.630 --> 01:05:15.981
Then he's being a good friend.
01:05:16.340 --> 01:05:18.291
But Willem Deone knew the whole time
01:05:18.677 --> 01:05:18.967
yeah.
01:05:20.572 --> 01:05:21.112
And then chose
01:05:21.260 --> 01:05:25.460
and just let him to believe it, and then weeks passed.
01:05:25.746 --> 01:05:28.865
And they're like, okay, you've had your time with her.
01:05:28.896 --> 01:05:30.005
You need to let her go now.
01:05:30.036 --> 01:05:31.385
It's like, holy crap.
01:05:31.385 --> 01:05:41.286
What a way to throw this guy back into grief and kind of have to process all of grief in all of five minutes now.
01:05:41.615 --> 01:05:49.121
Um, yeah, it's really missed the ending there.
01:05:49.416 --> 01:05:56.496
Like I said, if they would've just ended it ambiguous, if she was actually dead or not, I would've been like, great movie.
01:05:56.735 --> 01:05:58.266
Loved it, loved the ending.
01:05:59.135 --> 01:06:03.315
Um, but the way they answered it, the way they dealt with it was just not,
01:06:04.987 --> 01:06:05.407
Yeah.
01:06:06.065 --> 01:06:07.146
my cup of tea.
01:06:07.235 --> 01:06:08.045
Didn't like that.
01:06:09.516 --> 01:06:09.876
Yeah.
01:06:10.806 --> 01:06:18.302
my rating, I literally am the same rating for you, for the, like, for the same reason because of the ending.
01:06:19.521 --> 01:06:22.476
Uh, not because she died, but Yeah.
01:06:22.597 --> 01:06:23.887
I, with you.
01:06:23.887 --> 01:06:25.936
I wish there wasn't that William Defo scene.
01:06:26.376 --> 01:06:28.777
Um, 9.5, so.
01:06:29.706 --> 01:06:29.885
Okay.
01:06:30.545 --> 01:06:30.965
There we go.
01:06:31.626 --> 01:06:34.445
Conlan, if you're listening, you're gonna watch it.
01:06:34.445 --> 01:06:39.126
He's gonna report, or he's supposed to report on it next week.
01:06:40.581 --> 01:06:40.822
I feel
01:06:40.896 --> 01:06:41.976
That's the standard.
01:06:42.112 --> 01:06:42.532
Just kidding.
01:06:42.545 --> 01:06:43.686
He is gonna be a hater.
01:06:43.686 --> 01:06:48.036
He's gonna listen to this and then he is gonna watch it and his expectations are gonna be outta whack.
01:06:50.632 --> 01:06:55.791
All right, well with that, uh, being odd, Thomas not a nodding hill.
01:06:55.791 --> 01:06:56.782
And have a good week.
01:06:58.115 --> 01:06:58.715
Yeah.
01:06:59.076 --> 01:06:59.405
Great.
01:06:59.405 --> 01:07:00.215
message.
01:07:00.425 --> 01:07:00.726
Love it.
01:07:00.831 --> 01:07:00.952
Great.
01:07:04.161 --> 01:07:04.461
Alright.