Cassandra Lewis: The Radicalization of Vulnerability

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In this episode, we sit down
with Cassandra Lewis for a wildly

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honest conversation about cosmic
Americana, heartbreak, psychedelics,

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and finding power in imperfection.

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I'm at, like, a little bar.

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I'm at a little saloon
in the middle of the day.

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Probably shouldn't be having a whiskey,
but I'm doing it anyway, and some old

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lady wants to have a little cigarette with
me, and I'm like, "Let's go thrifting."

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And I think that's what Americana is.

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I think that's what cosmic Americana is.

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From producing her own record to
learning to trust her voice, Cassandra

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reminds us that being vulnerable
and unmistakably human might just

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be the most radical act of all.

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Welcome to Only in the Green Room,
backstage conversations from popular

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music venues around the country.

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Listen in as Dennis Truhazo, Tammy Larson,
and surprise co-hosts dig up conversations

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with artists before and after shows in
the exclusive confines of the green room.

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Cassandra Lewis, welcome
to Only in the Green Room.

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Thank you so much.

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Man, are we-

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It's so exciting to have you.

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Well-

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Well, it's not very green at all.

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It's very blue indeed.

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Yes.

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Do you like our … This
is, this, is this-

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I think she's lying.

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Well, it's blue on the sides.

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Actually,

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the back is pretty green.

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The back is green.

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Yeah.

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And I think Green Room is just a
term of our, and a state of mind.

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It's spiritual.

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Yes.

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Right?

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So- Please.

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Yep

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… yeah, and this is the Green Room.

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Mm-hmm.

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I don't care what you say.

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I don't care what color it is.

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We created it, and you know why
we're so excited among other reasons?

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I mean, we have, um, sort of the heart
and soul of Nashville right here.

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It's funny, I didn't realize
there were so many Nashville-

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Yeah … performers this weekend.

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There are.

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It's really cool.

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There

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are.

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It's kind of a trek.

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Yeah.

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It's

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like

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a long way.

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It's not close.

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No, it's so long.

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You know?

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It's 8,000 miles.

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But

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I mean, you, you specifically are
just the part of that vibe, so-

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Mm-hmm … uh, it's so cool to, to
meet you- Yeah … and to talk to you.

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Well, you too.

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So yeah.

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Um, I, I gotta say right off the
bat for me that sticks out is the

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whole bang cosmic Americana, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And how you, I s- read somewhere that
you, talking about Nashville, you, I

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think you described cosmic Americana as-

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Dolly Parton on acid.

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Is, is that what it is?

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Is it Dolly Parton on acid?

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Janis Joplin on J- Or
is it Nashville on acid?

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Janis Joplin on Jesus.

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What is it on acid?

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I

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think that quote will outlive me.

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It will.

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I think it was, uh, it was Dolly
Parton on acid, Janis Joplin on Jesus.

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Okay.

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I mean, but, like-

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Well, let me tell you
why it stuck with me.

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Not because everybody's
bothering you about it.

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So we live in, uh, San Francisco
Bay Area, and has spent this,

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uh, started this podcast started
at the Sweet Water Music Hall.

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I don't know if you ever- Oh,

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yeah

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… have you played there?

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I'll be- I

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haven't,

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but,

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um-

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Yeah … would

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love to.

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Okay.

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Chris Porter, did you hear that?

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I, yeah, I bet.

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Yeah, Chris Porter.

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Sending it straight to him.

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Yeah, he's the booker.

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Come

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on, baby.

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Uh, and he does Hardly
Strictly too, so, uh-

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Well, I did the Hardly Strictly-

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Okay

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a couple years ago.

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So, all right.

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So there's, there's, there's
some … So there is a, uh, town

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in, um, Marin County called Fairfax.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I don't know if you, you know of it,
and it is known as, uh, Mayberry on Acid.

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Mayberry on … Yeah.

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That's so weird because I
also heard there's a place in

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Texas called Mayberry on Acid.

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Or rather, that it's,
it's … Oh, I can't remember what

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it's called.

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Really?

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But yeah, they have a whole
bumper sticker about it too.

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Okay.

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Mayberry on Acid.

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It's the same thing

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where I saw it.

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Well, that's, we gotta, we need
to research this, and- Well,

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maybe it's like the Banana Bill-
And fact- … sort of just, like,

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stretches across the country

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and fact check it.

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So the point is I know what you mean-

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Yeah

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… about the Dolly Parton on
acid- Yeah … and Janis, Janis

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Joplin on Jesus in general.

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Oh, yeah.

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Um, but what did you mean by that?

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What

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did I mean?

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Well, I think it, what it is,
is, like, I, I grew up with such

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a, an eclectic- spread of music.

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I, I did road trips with my
grandparents, and they were big

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lovers of, of Elvis Presley and
classic, like, 1950s crooner music.

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And then, uh, I also lived
in southeast Idaho for a lot.

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I mean, uh, Nashville's my 33rd
city, so I've lived a lot of places.

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But, um, you know, I m- I mostly grew
up in southeast Idaho, Wyoming border.

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And, um, and so country music
was a huge part of my growing up.

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And, um, so there was that, and
then my stepdad also had, like, this

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crazy, you know, back when people
had to download stuff off Napster.

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Yo, shh,

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Napster.

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Um, you don't know about Napster?

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That was

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only a moment in

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time.

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It seems like- It was a blip.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, I, we were,
we were thrilled back then.

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We were thrilled back then to get
all kinds of access to music, because

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going to the store and everything,
you couldn't really get everything.

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Um, but he had such a crazy, like,
collection of music, so I was listening

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to anything from Pink Floyd to Patsy
Cline to, you know, um, Muddy Waters

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and Led Zeppelin and, and, uh, i- like,
cattle call, like, yodeling stuff.

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I was part of a, the Idaho Cowboy Poet
Society, so I was yodeling at, like-

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That's so cool … at, at 10 years old.

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And-

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going to do stuff like that.

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So it's always been kind of
a strange mix, uh, of things.

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And, and when people are like, "What
do you, where, where do you belong?"

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I say, "Well, I belong everywhere."

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Well, you do.

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I mean- I think.

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It's a little sunlight.

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Yeah.

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Uh, is it fair to say
you were an Army brat?

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Is that pretty- Absolutely.

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Yeah, that was my- Yeah,
yeah … that was my next question.

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You took it

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right out of my- Oh,

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I took it.

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See how we go.

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Yeah.

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World War II, um-

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Yeah, I was, I was born on a,
a decommissioned military base

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in, uh, or rather decommissioned
German base in Nuremberg, Germany.

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And, uh, very strange
place, I think, to be born.

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I was born with lots of weird
dreams I don't think were mine.

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I don't think they're mine.

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I was like, why do I all of a sudden
never sit with my back to the door?

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Why do I… You know, there's
just like all this stuff,

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you know, it's like mystic.

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Do you

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write down your dreams?

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Do you journal your dreams?

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I can just remember.

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Remember the heck out of-
You can remember your dreams?

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Yeah, like in extreme detail.

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You do have a poet.

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There's

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a poet in you.

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But do I know what I had for lunch?

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No.

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Do I know if we changed the key to
the song during rehearsal yesterday?

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No.

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No, I don't But these things,
yeah … that's why I think it like a,

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a s- a, a, a sort of Akashic memory.

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How many, how about, what about
in your, when you write, are you

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writing about your dreams or-

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Well, sometimes, yeah.

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I think there's a, there's some,
some inspiration from that.

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Mostly it comes from
just real life, though.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, are you seeing- Yeah … you know,
I guess images, you know, that, that make

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it- I have a very, very cinematic brain.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, when I am, when I'm working,
I… The, the place that I write

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the most is while I'm driving.

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I don't listen to music
while I'm on road trips.

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And, uh, when I lived out west, which
I have lived everywhere out west, I

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mean, I'm talking talk, top to bottom.

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I've lived everywhere out west, and I
love long stretches of drive on I-5.

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I know, even as miserable as- It's okay.

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It's all right.

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It's okay … that can be for some people.

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I love it.

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I love to do it, and, um, and
that's where I get most of my songs.

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But, um- Yeah … yeah, I think,
I think, uh, mostly the, the sort

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of spirit comes through that.

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Is there any place… I mean, so
this is interesting, you know,

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path we're going down here.

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So, um- Right up your alley, my
lady … is there… Well, yeah.

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Okay.

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Let's talk about houses.

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Any particular place living, having
lived in all of these different

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places, uh, do you get your
inspiration from specific places?

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Like, whether it's the forest or
the beach or the, you know, or the,

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a community, specific community, or
does it really all come from inside?

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Well, I think it's just
how I relate to each place.

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I, I feel like I'm, as much time as
I spend in my head, I, I spend twice

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as much trying to receive people-

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Right

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… and receive places.

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And, like, the reason I wanna
go is 'cause I wanna be there.

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Right.

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So when I'm there or here or any sort
of thing like that, I'm really, really

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trying to, like, open up the channel,
um, and just, like, feel where I'm at.

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Um, so I think, I think a lot of it just
come, just comes from sitting quiet and

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back and, like, watching and experiencing
a place, you know, in small town.

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Just you and your mama.

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Like on the 395, I'm
at, like, a little bar.

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I'm at a little saloon
in the middle of the day.

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Probably shouldn't be having a whiskey,
but I'm doing it anyway, and some old

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lady wants to have a little cigarette with
me, and I'm like, "Let's go thrifting."

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Let's do it.

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And that's what we do for
the afternoon, you know?

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Like, I'm, I'm trying to open
up to all of those things, and I

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think that's what Americana is.

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I think that's what cosmic Americana is.

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It's like opening your heart up to
what this experience is, what we've

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been given, and what we're, you
know, maybe what we're taking, too,

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and, like, trying to, trying to-

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I don't know.

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Maybe solidify it into
history in some way.

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Yeah.

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Good or bad-

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It's

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like, you know- … in some ways

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… it's like

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what- Well, speaking of that, well,
just b- holding that one thought- Yeah

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… 'cause I know we won't get back to it.

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So with that, how do you feel
about the energy here, since this

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is the inaugural year here at
Grass Valley for this festival?

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Yeah.

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Tell us about what you're- Well, I
mean, it's my inaugural year, too.

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Oh, it is for you too.

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It's my first time at High Sierra.

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Um, my, my dad is here.

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Oh.

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My nephew is here.

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Oh.

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And, uh, my dad's partner is
here, and she's, 30 years she's

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been going to High Sierra.

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She is a vet, okay?

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I'm talking- That's a vet

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serious business.

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I'm talking a vet. So you know.

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Serious business.

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Gina Bopp, okay?

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If you know her, you know her.

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Yeah.

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If you don't- If you know, you
know … all right, fair enough.

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But, like, it feels to me
fresh, but it feels so cool.

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I've, I used to live out here.

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I used to grow weed out
here, North San Juan.

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Yeah.

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Um, for six years I was working
out here, and, um, so it's nice to

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come back, but it also, you know,
feels very fresh and, and cool.

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And-

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Yeah

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… I don't know, I think it's a
really sweet place to have it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't- I mean- You- … well,
the, the festival itself, I mean, no

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matter where it is, has its own vibe.

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Right.

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Well-

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Clearly

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… realize that I, I also have the
entire rest of the weekend to, like,

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learn what this festival's about.

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Okay.

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So we're gonna catch you later.

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I've been performing since I got here.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So we

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can-

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You can reserve your answer.

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Well, we're gonna catch you out there
… we had, we had load in at 9:30 AM.

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We had Tall Pines yesterday at 5:00.

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All right.

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And then we got eight girls, or eigh-
eight people in the band, so this is, this

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is a full thing just to get ourselves set
up- Yeah … and camp and everything, so.

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The answer

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is you don't know yet.

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You don't know

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yet.

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I don't know yet.

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We'll find out.

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I actually don't know what
this festival's all about.

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You don't know yet.

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But I'm about to find out.

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Well, you knew what, uh, people told
you about it, I guess, you know.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, so what was
the, what's the stuff?

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It's

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beloved.

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Yeah.

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It's beloved.

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It's, it's beloved.

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It's a beloved festival.

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Yeah.

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And you, you've have, uh, Katie
Skeen just joined your band.

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Yes.

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Oh, yes.

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We know her from California.

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And she just moved out to Nashville, too.

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Yeah.

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We just met not even a couple of
months ago, and, uh, I met her

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through Graham Patzer, who was
playing the, the keys and violin.

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And, um, yeah, we just like, we had
a nice, nice time at Robert's Western

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World, which is one of the only places
on Broadway I would recommend you

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go to if you ever go to Nashville.

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Um, Robert's has the best musicians

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all day.

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That sounds like a
sponsor, uh, call out for-

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No, I know, but I don't work there,
but I promise you that's a spot.

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Yeah.

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And they'll give you
the recession special.

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That's a, a moon pie, a bologna san-
fried bologna sandwich- chips and a beer.

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For nine bucks- Nine bucks

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I'm gonna tell you right now- For that
sounds- … you can't get a better

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deal across the, across the universe.

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Do they have tequila?

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What?

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Oh, tequila.

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They better have tequila.

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Absolutely they do.

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Well, they got everything.

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I mean, it's Broadway, you have
to- Ah … you have to have that.

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But that's where I met Katie.

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That's you met her, in the store?

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And we just linked up, and
we're like four friends now.

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Oh.

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And now we're in a band, and- Yeah … I
just- I love that … she's so amazing

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… little serendipity.

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And it's amazing 'cause I've, you know,
following her a little bit in the Bay.

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She's from Ventura.

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She was in Ventura, California.

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Yeah, and she's

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big time in the jam band scene.

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Yeah.

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And she's big, and we're, so are we.

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You know, we do so much, you know.

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For example, Jay Lane
is our next, interview.

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Yeah, Jay Lane's coming in.

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But, um, yeah, we- we're around
the whole Graham Olesh and,

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uh, Terrapin, and I don't know,
all, all of the jam band stuff.

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And we have a lot of that.

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Um, so yes, we know her from that.

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Mm-hmm.

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She's badass.

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She is.

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She's badass.

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Sh- I call it shreditation.

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Yeah.

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Shreditation.

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When I'm listening to her I'm just
like, "What? How do you even… Where

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are those notes on the guitar, man?"

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And that's it.

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How do you do that?

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And so that, the universe,
put you guys together- Yeah

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and Robert.

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So- Well, I think, you know, what I
really wanted was some feminine energy

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on this tour, and, and, uh, and I, I'm
so happy to have such incredible artists.

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They all have their own
projects too, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's hard to pull everybody off
of what they're doing in the middle

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of- of summer, and like, the fact
that they're willing to jump in

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for the next few weeks and lock in.

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We're going to Lincoln City after
this, up in Oregon on the coast.

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We're doing a show out there,
um, this next Wednesday.

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We're doing Oregon Country Fair.

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Oh, you are?

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Next Wednesday.

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Yes.

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Oh, that's amazing.

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It's our first main
stage gig out at AC- OCF.

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Talk about- Not my first fair, but-
Yeah … it's my first main stage

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there.

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Talk

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about jam

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band scene.

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I know, right?

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Yeah.

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That is really- Oh man, it's
beyond that at this point.

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Psychedelic clownery.

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I mean- Yeah … for sure.

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That's

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awesome and incredible.

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Yeah.

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Jay will be there.

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Yeah.

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It's gonna be a real good time.

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Yeah.

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And then, uh, you know, we've got
Healdsburg, and then we're heading

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back to the Bay Area for July
18th, a really cool show there.

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Where?

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Uh, called the Existential
Dread and Circus.

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Wow.

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A big distraction- What is that?

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… from all of your woes.

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What is

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that?

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Why have you not- All
of your- … told me?

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… American woes.

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It's called the Existential
Dread and Circus.

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It's a festival I'm throwing.

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Oh.

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One day.

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One day only.

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Okay.

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Where?

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We'll be

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there.

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It's at Point San Pablo Marina- Ah

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in Richmond, California.

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Point Richmond.

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Oh, we know that.

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With Whisker Man, who is- Oh … an
epic band if you haven't heard them.

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But he's, he's the piano and violin
player, and his band is absolutely

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amazing.

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This is so far out

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there.

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And then, yeah.

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No, it's great.

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It's like a kinda Monty
Python meets Salvador Dali-

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meets low budget acid clowns.

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Okay.

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That is- Acid has to come

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into it, doesn't it?

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… great.

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Okay.

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And on, on water, on the marina.

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Yeah.

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Ah.

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It's like a beautiful little place.

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It's, it's beautiful.

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Pablo is beautiful.

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I think I've heard of it.

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There's lots of Burning Man art.

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I'm excited.

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So- It'll be cool … it's
a cool, cool spot.

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Let's talk about your album.

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Yes.

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Chris.

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Please.

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Let's talk about your album.

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Yes.

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What is- So there was a, this, a
single was released, American Sickness.

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And yeah, that one's out now.

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And, uh- The rest is, is coming.

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Okay.

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I'm producing the record myself.

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Okay.

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Um, it's all been recorded.

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We recorded at RCA Studio
A in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Nice.

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Thank you Dave Cobb.

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He- Yeah … sponsored the session
there, and, uh, he's a g- he,

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he worked on my last record-
Yes … Lost In A Dream with me.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, wanted to support my
independent career, so he kinda-

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Yeah … uh, sent us in there, and
he's like, "Give you a few days.

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Go on, get in there.

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I trust you.

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Go do what you gotta do."

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That's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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So now I'm just in the process…
I mean, obviously during tour and,

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like, all the summer stuff, I'm not
really super hyper-focused on it,

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but- I'm helping to mix the record.

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We got, like, a 10-piece orchestra to
work on- Wow … on strings and all that.

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Wow.

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And, um, yeah, it's my first time

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getting to take the driver's seat.

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Ah.

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So I'm

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feeling

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very excited about it.

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That is

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so cool.

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And you got Mainstage- Yeah,
so I said, right, so it was the

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single I was, I was referring to.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah,

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American

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Sickness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So you, so you've got that.

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You're in the driver's seat here.

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You got Mainstage at
the Oregon Country Fair.

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Oregon Country Fair, yeah.

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What is next for you?

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Thank you.

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What is there, could there… So-

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A nap.

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Darling.

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I have a… So-

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A nap.

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A massage … y- Mental health counseling

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They have that over here

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… backstage.

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You know they seem to.

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Y- I mean, I'm-

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At High Sierra

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… 100,000 people fighting.

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I, I was thinking it said Lost In A Dream.

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I

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fell asleep in a field

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Let's talk about that one because-
Yeah … is that the one that

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had sort of The Wizard of Oz- Oh,

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yes … theme?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I like kind of working cinematic-

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Yeah

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… in a cinematic scope.

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Every, every record has sort of
a movie that's attached to it.

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Always, Always was very much like that.

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Tarantino vibes for that one, for sure.

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Yeah.

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Um, but Lost In a Dream was about a
relationship that I had had in, in

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Portland, Oregon, and I felt like
I was just dating The Wizard of Oz

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and- The whole, like, he was sort
of like- The man behind the curtain?

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… the man behind the curtain.

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The man behind the curtain.

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He wasn't really what he was pro- like,
showing himself to be, and everybody

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gave him all this worship and…

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But I'm the one that had to
go on this hero's journey.

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Oh.

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I had to go find my heart and my mind
and, um, you know, my, my whatever,

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all the rest of the things, my courage,
um, and become all the characters to

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kind of, by the end of it, realize that
I had all those things already in me.

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And, uh, kind of forgive, forgive,
though I could not forget-

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Right.

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Yeah

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… you know, the situation.

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And, and, um, yeah, when you put
somebody on a pedestal for so long,

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you, and, uh- Isn't that true?

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… and you really do the inner work- You
start to see yourself in them, and like

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what you, maybe the, the spaces that you
needed to be filled in that relationship.

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And so that's what that
record was really about.

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It wasn't like a big angry breakup record.

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It was- Did

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you happen to see, um, did you go to
the Sphere and see the Wizard of Oz-

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No, I can't- … girl, I
can't do any of that stuff.

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I would love to do that.

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It's funny because I wrote that 2020.

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Well, I, I had written a couple of the
songs, but when I moved to Nashville

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in, uh, 2022, that's when I, I wrote it.

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I had about a month to write it.

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Uh-huh.

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And, uh, then recorded it in
October with Dave Cobb in, in

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Savannah, Georgia at his new studio.

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Um, and I was, I had been signed to
Elektra Records during the pandemic.

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Like such a weird thing to be, to be
like, you're like, you work your whole

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life and then- Right … all of a
sudden during, during like the complete

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and total shutdown of everything, I
went and sang for, uh, the CEO of,

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of Warner in a parking garage in LA.

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Really?

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And I was like, "The ac- the
acoustics are better in here."

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Ah.

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The manager that I had gotten, Bruce
Flohr, he was like, "Hey, okay, I'm

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bringing you this thing." I didn't know
that he didn't know he was gonna meet me.

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He didn't know he was gonna meet me.

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So I just came in and I
was like, "Hey, let's sing.

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Let's do this in the parking garage.

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It's, it's just better.

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We can't, we're not allowed
to go in the building.

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It's COVID." So I

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had- I bet people who know you just
expected that that would happen.

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Yeah.

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It's like they're not surprised.

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I have a really weird story.

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Just like all sorts of things.

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You heard the, like the frequency- Yeah.

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I loved it … or whatever.

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Man, I don't know what
the hell's going on.

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That's, uh, that's- Excuse my language

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… perfect.

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And you

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know what?

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That's perfect.

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You know it, right?

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Isn't that perfect?

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I don't know what's

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going

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on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It just is what it is, and
I can't help but laugh.

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Well, that- If I don't laugh, I'm gonna

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cry all the time

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I mean, just, can, let me jump in here.

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But I, the, the whole, um, hero's
journey, I, when I- Mm-hmm … was

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thinking about your record, m- I was
thinking of Joseph Campbell, right?

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I mean, isn't the- Yeah … Wizard of Oz
sort of the, the metaphor- Mm-hmm … for

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the hero's

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journey?

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It is.

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It's a big

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metaphor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I didn't even know that
Wicked was a thing.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Imagine my surprise when- Yeah … the
following year, like Wicked the movie

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is coming out, and I'm like, "Oh,
it is about a narcissist." Yeah.

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Right.

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That's incredible.

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I didn't realize.

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This is great.

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This is like, uh, incredible
content, although I wish I wouldn't

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have put so much work in it
'cause somebody already did it.

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Well, it,

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you

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know-

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Oh, well, you

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know

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what?

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We're all- That's- … it's, we're

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all one

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here … it's been- We're

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all connected It, it's very connected.

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It's very, it's human.

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It's human.

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It's the human- Yeah … experience.

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We can only use the things
that we know and can learn.

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And, um, like I said, everything
plays out for me like a movie,

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so- Always, always Yeah.

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Lost in a dream Right.

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And- Start to finish, the
songs are even sister songs.

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You know, if you listen to
the beginning and the end-

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Yeah

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… plays like a score a little bit if
you, if you pay close attention.

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I would say your music
is cinematic itself.

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It- I mean, you are, and
I think the music is, too.

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The

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drama.

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The drama of it all.

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The drama

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of it all.

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And the drama is just every day.

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I mean- Every That's right.

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Is there something- Well,

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I

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was just crying in the green
room a few minutes ago.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah, so.

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Oh.

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So y- I wanna bring in, so this is
our producer, and she has- Hi … her

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own radio show called Down to Folk.

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Yeah.

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But, but w- and, and you
know- Oh, she's coming in.

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She's coming in hot … I was
sh- you didn't hear 'cause you

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didn't have the headphones.

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I don't either, but-

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No repeating

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questions … but I also wanted to
bring her- I didn't either … because

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we were just talking about this
late last night, like at 2:00 in the

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morning, about, about relationships
and putting the wrong person.

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And I said, "You know what?

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You're g-" I said, "Just, just, you
know, just take all these lessons and

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learn and then so that you're actually
prepared when you do meet somebody that's

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right." Somebody that's worth- Right?

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Because you go through all
of this, and then- Worth

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the hero's journey

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for … and then you can open
up to the right person instead

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of putting people on pedestals.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, but I wanted to introduce…
We can talk about that later, but-

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Well, girl, I mean, you know, nobody wants
to hear about a goddang heartbreak- … at

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a festival, but I just, that's what I do.

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I'm not here to, you know, I can
jam all day if I want to, but-

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Yeah

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… I wanna make people feel stuff, right?

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Yeah.

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That is my job.

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Yeah.

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It has been my job since I was young.

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Eight years old is when I started-

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Yeah

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… professionally singing in front of people,
and I've never, I've never been a party,

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dance, you know, kinda music thing.

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It's just like not what I do.

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Right.

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So I think my, my job is to, like, open
people up to feel all the stuff, and

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then everybody else can kinda sing.

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And

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you're at the Troubadour tonight, right?

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Allegedly.

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Right?

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Allegedly.

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With Steve Poels.

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Oh, so excited.

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Oh, yeah.

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How's that man?

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Like, he's, he's just

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like- We love Steve.

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He's, uh, we had him on.

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His, he- I, I could, I would love
to just sit and listen to the

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two of you talk- … for an hour.

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We've actually done it before.

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It's funny.

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We've been on, we've been on a,
on a riff together at Mooncrush

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down in, uh, Miramar Beach.

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Uh, that was a really fun festival, but
yeah, hopefully we can… Hopefully he'll,

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he'll rejuvenate my spirit right now.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, he will.

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He

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has a way of doing

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that.

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I know, he does.

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And- And he's everywhere.

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How does he- How is Juliana doing now?

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Where does, how does he travel?

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Jetpack?

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I don't know.

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He's all

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right.

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All right.

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I'll check it out.

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So we, we've interviewed
him at Sweetwater-

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Yeah … about Mother's, so go-

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He's magical.

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He's just, he's just around.

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He needs to be wherever he is.

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Yeah,

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he needs to be to be more of that.

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That's it.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Okay.

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Juliana's… And, and so is this gonna
be more ther- because I put my earphones

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in, my earbuds in last night when you
guys were having these conversations.

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Are you guys hearing them drums?

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Are

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you guys hearing that soundcheck?

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Ah, there it is.

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Everybody's working
really hard around here.

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Everybody's working here, man.

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Yeah.

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If you're stretched out and having
a, having a bloody Mary right now, I

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just want you to send a little cheers.

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Raise your glass right now.

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Raise your glass to us.

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Raise your glass.

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And we're doing this interview
sideways, by the way- That's

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right … metaphorically.

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Laterally.

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We're gonna say laterally.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Juliana, welcome to,
uh, the host-ess seat.

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Thank you.

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Happy to be here.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Hi.

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Okay.

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Talk to her.

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Talk to us.

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So

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Boom

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Here's what… First of all- Build up.

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Go.

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Well, my radio show is
called Down to Folk.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so I love that you said
that you take inspiration from

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everywhere and it's everything.

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Yeah.

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So I love that.

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When you're writing such personal
material, and you wear your heart on

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your sleeve, and you're so open, how
do you d- how do you, like, protect

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your heart and protect yourself?

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That's a very good question.

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That's funny because I, um,
I'm still learning how to do

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that after all these years.

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I'm, I'm now 39.

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I'm not ashamed of it.

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I've been, like I said, performing since
I was eight years old, and it's always

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felt like a lightning rod, you know?

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Like, I feel like sometimes it's
a, another thing that takes over

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and not in a corny way, you know?

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It's not like, "Oh, the Lord is taking,
taking over." But, but, like, what

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we're doing here is, is really…

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It's my pilot light.

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Like, everything I do is, is for this,
for this reason, to get up there and

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even just make connections with a few
people in the front, um, that need that.

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I don't know still how to, like, protect
myself entirely from, from, like, all

00:22:50.473 --> 00:22:55.573
the energy that comes at me and, and,
uh… I think it's gotten easier over

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the years just accepting that this is
what my job is, and this is also…

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You know, it's good for the world.

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It's good, it's good for my heart.

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It's good for, for my spirit.

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So if anybody has tips, I'll take some,
but for now I just kind of breathe through

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it and surround myself with good people.

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Yeah

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Yeah, and you're, and you're not-
This is a beautiful answer … you're

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not afraid of the vulnerability

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Well, you went right
into the deep cuts, girl.

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Yeah, she goes right in.

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I thought you were gonna

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give us- Yeah, well I was
gonna go… Well, okay.

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We can- Oh, just ask you
the hardest thing ever.

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In fact, what, like perhaps if I
was on a psychedelic trip, that's

00:23:26.443 --> 00:23:28.154
exactly- I'm so sorry … what
I'd be asking myself right now.

00:23:28.673 --> 00:23:29.333
I love that.

00:23:29.774 --> 00:23:30.844
Give me the real questions.

00:23:31.003 --> 00:23:31.123
Yeah.

00:23:31.204 --> 00:23:31.933
Let's go.

00:23:31.993 --> 00:23:32.393
Yeah.

00:23:32.474 --> 00:23:33.843
Well, we can lighten up again- No,

00:23:33.843 --> 00:23:34.113
don't.

00:23:34.113 --> 00:23:34.123
Please.

00:23:34.123 --> 00:23:34.163
We can lighten- Don't.

00:23:34.163 --> 00:23:35.073
No, no.

00:23:35.083 --> 00:23:36.083
Go, go in.

00:23:36.083 --> 00:23:36.603
Go deep.

00:23:36.614 --> 00:23:37.354
Let's go.

00:23:37.893 --> 00:23:38.173
Come on.

00:23:38.173 --> 00:23:41.753
Well, is, is privacy something
that's important to you?

00:23:41.893 --> 00:23:47.633
Or, or just kind of like, you know, do
you, do you hold back just maybe a little

00:23:47.634 --> 00:23:50.403
bit of yourself just, just to keep that?

00:23:51.753 --> 00:23:53.063
I don't know if I do.

00:23:53.103 --> 00:24:00.570
And I think that's what makes your art and
your live performances so real and so you.

00:24:00.570 --> 00:24:00.583
We're

00:24:00.583 --> 00:24:02.153
kind of on this thing together.

00:24:02.173 --> 00:24:04.223
We're kind of on this thing
together, and I'm like gonna

00:24:04.233 --> 00:24:07.363
give it 100% every single time.

00:24:07.364 --> 00:24:11.593
And it sounds like a… I always laugh
when I watch sports, 'cause they're

00:24:11.593 --> 00:24:12.594
like, "How'd you get out there?"

00:24:12.594 --> 00:24:15.174
And just like when they, "Well, you know,
sometimes you just gotta get out there

00:24:15.174 --> 00:24:17.924
and you just, you know, you gotta get
the team together, and you gotta win the

00:24:17.933 --> 00:24:19.533
game, and you gotta give 100%." Yeah.

00:24:19.533 --> 00:24:21.243
"Just gotta give 1000%." Yeah.

00:24:21.244 --> 00:24:24.153
I'm like, I'm dead
freaking serious right now.

00:24:24.153 --> 00:24:25.453
Well, the- It's a- It
really feels like that.

00:24:25.473 --> 00:24:28.853
We're just like, we have to lock
in, and we have to do the thing,

00:24:28.854 --> 00:24:32.373
and I give everything as if it's
gonna be my last, my last time.

00:24:32.863 --> 00:24:36.413
Even if I'm suffering, which I am a little
bit right now from a cold, but- Yeah.

00:24:37.503 --> 00:24:38.394
I'm so sorry.

00:24:38.424 --> 00:24:38.753
It's okay.

00:24:38.753 --> 00:24:39.543
After all, I've- Thank you.

00:24:39.613 --> 00:24:39.968
Well, you

00:24:39.968 --> 00:24:42.253
told- I don't like, I don't
like to lie about where I'm at.

00:24:42.263 --> 00:24:43.534
Well, you told us how you're- I just
like to tell people human- … you're,

00:24:43.833 --> 00:24:47.373
you were preparing for your, your, uh,
tour and what the things that were left

00:24:47.373 --> 00:24:49.123
out that- Ugh … probably the problem.

00:24:49.123 --> 00:24:51.274
Did you wanna talk about
that, or is that too- I don't.

00:24:52.234 --> 00:24:53.083
Okay, never mind.

00:24:53.083 --> 00:24:54.934
So you have- No, there's
certain, there's certain regimen-

00:24:55.063 --> 00:24:56.173
you know, that I usually do.

00:24:56.174 --> 00:25:00.704
Like, if the tried and true, like
ginseng, B12, this, this, this,

00:25:00.704 --> 00:25:03.413
and this don't work, usually a
cigarette and a whiskey will.

00:25:03.424 --> 00:25:05.614
And I haven't done that this
week, so maybe that's why my

00:25:05.614 --> 00:25:06.673
voice is still struggling.

00:25:06.674 --> 00:25:06.883
That's a

00:25:06.884 --> 00:25:07.084
good

00:25:07.084 --> 00:25:07.163
segue.

00:25:07.163 --> 00:25:08.273
Hey, I have a question.

00:25:08.283 --> 00:25:08.723
Okay.

00:25:08.723 --> 00:25:09.313
To each their own.

00:25:09.613 --> 00:25:14.053
I think to circle back, um,
to, I guess, you know, you take

00:25:14.053 --> 00:25:15.513
inspiration from so many places.

00:25:15.513 --> 00:25:17.954
I w- I was gonna get at this, and
then I wanted to ask the heavy

00:25:17.954 --> 00:25:19.523
hitter- Mm. … before I forgot.

00:25:19.524 --> 00:25:19.933
Do it.

00:25:20.003 --> 00:25:21.424
We have a butterfly in here.

00:25:21.674 --> 00:25:22.403
Maybe it's a moth.

00:25:22.864 --> 00:25:23.084
Sorry.

00:25:23.084 --> 00:25:23.293
There you go.

00:25:23.293 --> 00:25:23.463
Let's

00:25:23.463 --> 00:25:23.603
go

00:25:23.743 --> 00:25:23.863
with butterfly.

00:25:23.863 --> 00:25:24.073
I've been

00:25:24.113 --> 00:25:26.773
having like a weird moth
attraction this last few weeks.

00:25:27.853 --> 00:25:28.013
What?

00:25:28.013 --> 00:25:29.053
Very, very interesting.

00:25:29.413 --> 00:25:29.763
Okay.

00:25:29.784 --> 00:25:31.404
We'll examine that as well later.

00:25:31.413 --> 00:25:36.846
So when you're gathering inspiration
from so many different places- How do

00:25:36.846 --> 00:25:41.656
you take that inspiration and turn it
into something so uniquely your own?

00:25:41.666 --> 00:25:46.386
Because you are… When, when you,
when, when I see you perform, y- it's

00:25:46.415 --> 00:25:51.776
undeniably you, and it g- it's not,
it doesn't look or seem like you're,

00:25:52.796 --> 00:25:54.846
you know, just taking element…

00:25:54.876 --> 00:25:58.705
Well, I'm sure it's- Or struggling
to … taking elements, but do you

00:25:58.706 --> 00:26:00.055
kind of have a process for that?

00:26:00.055 --> 00:26:03.736
Or does it just- No … come naturally
where you take the elements and it-

00:26:03.946 --> 00:26:05.976
I think I don't, I don't think about it.

00:26:06.606 --> 00:26:09.096
I think I'm just kind of a part of it.

00:26:09.226 --> 00:26:11.575
And I hate to sound, like,
too woo-woo right here, but,

00:26:11.575 --> 00:26:13.835
like, I think that's the key.

00:26:14.395 --> 00:26:17.935
'Cause, like, we put all of these
processes, we put these regimens, we do

00:26:17.936 --> 00:26:22.605
all of this stuff to prepare ourselves,
to, like, set up our perfect altar, set

00:26:22.605 --> 00:26:26.385
up our perfect space, and I've always
been about a little bit of a mess.

00:26:27.476 --> 00:26:27.516
Right.

00:26:27.516 --> 00:26:28.856
Like, forever.

00:26:29.195 --> 00:26:30.105
I always have been.

00:26:30.105 --> 00:26:31.245
We're always a little late.

00:26:31.785 --> 00:26:35.025
Maybe we're not always in,
in time with each other.

00:26:35.035 --> 00:26:39.065
We're not, we're not really,
you know, always lined up.

00:26:39.075 --> 00:26:46.285
But when, when we agree that it's okay
to just be exactly what you are and

00:26:46.285 --> 00:26:51.985
when you, when you're gonna be that,
you kinda just get this little all of

00:26:51.985 --> 00:26:55.945
a sudden, and then you jump on stage
and, and, and do the thing, you know?

00:26:55.945 --> 00:27:00.725
Or, or write the song or… I
used to be terrified of my, of

00:27:00.725 --> 00:27:04.835
my power, of my, of my voice, of,
like, "Oh, is this gonna relate?

00:27:04.835 --> 00:27:08.225
Should I sing song, fa- songs
that are faster?" Like, "Oh,

00:27:08.225 --> 00:27:09.735
my gosh, that band was so good.

00:27:09.735 --> 00:27:13.386
They, like, jam and they do all
this stuff." I know my job now.

00:27:14.706 --> 00:27:17.265
How long do you think it took
for you to find yourself?

00:27:19.026 --> 00:27:19.676
Forever.

00:27:19.975 --> 00:27:20.475
Forever.

00:27:20.475 --> 00:27:20.735
It took

00:27:20.735 --> 00:27:20.865
forever.

00:27:20.865 --> 00:27:22.895
Was there ever a- It's still
happening … was there a moment where

00:27:22.925 --> 00:27:23.795
you- There's still moments.

00:27:23.795 --> 00:27:24.045
Still

00:27:24.045 --> 00:27:24.415
happening.

00:27:24.415 --> 00:27:26.395
Where you felt like- There's still
moments … this is, like, I know

00:27:26.405 --> 00:27:28.275
myself now- Well- … or I know, like-

00:27:29.206 --> 00:27:30.405
I had a struggle today.

00:27:30.405 --> 00:27:32.145
Like, my voice isn't all the way there.

00:27:32.145 --> 00:27:34.065
Like, the band was tired, you know?

00:27:34.325 --> 00:27:36.305
We got, we got four girls in the band.

00:27:36.305 --> 00:27:37.795
We're about to sync our cycles.

00:27:37.825 --> 00:27:42.975
Like, you just can't expect it to be
perfect, and you have to accept…

00:27:43.045 --> 00:27:46.575
I mean, I think, I guess, I mean,
I don't know if I can talk about

00:27:46.576 --> 00:27:49.145
this on… We didn't talk about
what we're allowed to talk about.

00:27:49.145 --> 00:27:49.775
No, anything.

00:27:49.776 --> 00:27:50.295
What are you talking about?

00:27:50.296 --> 00:27:50.635
This is-

00:27:50.716 --> 00:27:52.836
Well, I mean, psychedelics-
Unfiltered … helped me in a way, you

00:27:52.836 --> 00:27:56.386
know, and I, I got to, like, heal from
some of my childhood fear of being,

00:27:56.395 --> 00:27:57.785
having, having this perfectionism.

00:27:58.945 --> 00:28:03.925
When I was a little girl, my mama said
that life would be just beautiful.

00:28:09.025 --> 00:28:09.676
Having this perfectionism.

00:28:10.426 --> 00:28:13.426
I would only get love if I, if
I was perfect, if I was this,

00:28:13.456 --> 00:28:14.886
if I was this, a long time.

00:28:15.716 --> 00:28:21.755
And, um, I got to like, you know, kick,
kick out of that, like, perfectionism.

00:28:22.356 --> 00:28:26.446
Uh, see the people around me, see
the, see the earth around me, you

00:28:26.446 --> 00:28:28.315
know, breathe with a damn tree.

00:28:28.345 --> 00:28:31.685
Like I'm hugging a tree and I'm
feeling like, oh, I'm just this

00:28:31.725 --> 00:28:33.425
and I'm just you and I'm just that.

00:28:34.085 --> 00:28:37.175
It sounds, uh, it sounds so corny.

00:28:37.595 --> 00:28:38.295
It sounds corny.

00:28:38.295 --> 00:28:38.925
Maybe I'm jaded.

00:28:38.925 --> 00:28:40.595
Maybe it's time again that I go back in.

00:28:41.295 --> 00:28:44.985
But, um, you know, I think the only
thing that we're not one with is the

00:28:44.985 --> 00:28:48.566
porta potties and like other than
that we're like, we're pretty good.

00:28:48.566 --> 00:28:51.725
And, and if you just accept that you're
just part of, part of the moving,

00:28:51.726 --> 00:28:54.866
breathing, living thing, that we're,
that we're all working on together,

00:28:55.816 --> 00:29:00.115
um, while we've got it, then, then
nothing is really truly a mistake.

00:29:00.116 --> 00:29:01.855
It's just movement.

00:29:02.305 --> 00:29:04.186
Movement to the next thing, to the growth.

00:29:04.945 --> 00:29:10.005
Um, and maybe that, that break in
your voice or that break in your set

00:29:10.005 --> 00:29:14.576
where you're like, "Frick, I forgot
the, I forgot the chords." I'm okay

00:29:14.576 --> 00:29:17.175
with that most of the time, you know?

00:29:17.185 --> 00:29:17.205
Yeah.

00:29:17.655 --> 00:29:20.766
And I, and I try to just let, let
that be, be part of the thing.

00:29:21.125 --> 00:29:25.645
I think there's a saying that goes
something like, uh, uh, "Great

00:29:25.715 --> 00:29:27.146
is the great enemy of good."

00:29:27.645 --> 00:29:28.075
Mm-hmm.

00:29:28.075 --> 00:29:32.655
Because we try to be great, and all that
work you do to be great and perfect-

00:29:32.775 --> 00:29:32.985
Yeah

00:29:33.015 --> 00:29:35.405
… and if you were just good, you're good.

00:29:35.645 --> 00:29:35.905
Right?

00:29:35.905 --> 00:29:35.985
Mm-hmm.

00:29:35.985 --> 00:29:38.936
I mean, because there's just
a lot of energy spent on

00:29:38.936 --> 00:29:40.705
that, un- unnecessary energy

00:29:40.795 --> 00:29:40.870
I think.

00:29:40.870 --> 00:29:41.135
Well, yeah.

00:29:41.155 --> 00:29:42.535
It's kind of like the Olive Garden though.

00:29:42.725 --> 00:29:44.256
When you're here, you're family.

00:29:44.515 --> 00:29:44.535
Yeah.

00:29:44.566 --> 00:29:47.376
I like to say, "When you're
here, well, you're here.

00:29:47.645 --> 00:29:48.345
So you might as well

00:29:48.365 --> 00:29:49.405
be here." You, you are here.

00:29:49.465 --> 00:29:49.695
Yeah.

00:29:49.695 --> 00:29:49.935
Right.

00:29:50.465 --> 00:29:50.535
Yeah.

00:29:50.575 --> 00:29:51.395
Endless salad and

00:29:51.395 --> 00:29:52.155
breadsticks

00:29:52.425 --> 00:29:52.955
and mistakes.

00:29:53.415 --> 00:29:53.605
Yeah.

00:29:53.625 --> 00:29:53.790
Well, yeah.

00:29:53.790 --> 00:29:57.825
No, uh, this is not the first
time we've talked about LSD on

00:29:57.835 --> 00:29:59.235
this podcast, as you can imagine.

00:29:59.555 --> 00:29:59.785
Okay.

00:29:59.785 --> 00:30:00.055
I know.

00:30:00.055 --> 00:30:00.375
I was like,

00:30:00.375 --> 00:30:01.285
I didn't know the rules

00:30:01.295 --> 00:30:01.325
here.

00:30:01.335 --> 00:30:01.695
Yeah.

00:30:01.695 --> 00:30:01.895
No.

00:30:01.895 --> 00:30:04.856
These are, they're… Well,
unfiltered as, as we say.

00:30:05.085 --> 00:30:05.865
Would you like a sip?

00:30:05.865 --> 00:30:07.365
Oh, I'm hitting my, the button.

00:30:07.715 --> 00:30:09.305
Um, good job.

00:30:09.545 --> 00:30:10.386
Good job, Juliana.

00:30:10.386 --> 00:30:10.895
Dig in, man.

00:30:11.525 --> 00:30:12.015
Dig in.

00:30:12.195 --> 00:30:13.595
She's – Sorry to get- Yeah.

00:30:13.595 --> 00:30:14.085
… right

00:30:14.085 --> 00:30:14.675
to it.

00:30:14.755 --> 00:30:15.755
Why apologize?

00:30:15.795 --> 00:30:16.265
I thought we just-

00:30:16.275 --> 00:30:16.525
Yeah

00:30:16.545 --> 00:30:17.135
… got over that.

00:30:17.245 --> 00:30:17.686
You know?

00:30:17.875 --> 00:30:18.175
Oh,

00:30:18.245 --> 00:30:18.435
true.

00:30:18.445 --> 00:30:18.465
Yeah.

00:30:18.465 --> 00:30:21.445
It looked like they were moving
somebody's body rolled up in a carpet

00:30:21.445 --> 00:30:22.685
on the stage right there, by the way.

00:30:22.685 --> 00:30:23.276
Oh, yeah.

00:30:24.375 --> 00:30:25.646
Well, the emotional honesty, man.

00:30:25.646 --> 00:30:27.275
That's how I'd like to
be actually brought in.

00:30:27.295 --> 00:30:29.196
I have been brought in
on a gurney- Have you?

00:30:29.196 --> 00:30:29.956
… onstage before.

00:30:30.435 --> 00:30:31.256
Oh, I- Yeah.

00:30:31.256 --> 00:30:34.805
And I've also had an IV put in my
arm onstage, and most recently in,

00:30:34.805 --> 00:30:39.495
uh, Seattle I got a tattoo done
while I was onstage singing karaoke.

00:30:40.176 --> 00:30:40.726
Um-

00:30:40.935 --> 00:30:41.556
Can we see it?

00:30:41.605 --> 00:30:42.055
I guess not.

00:30:42.095 --> 00:30:42.805
I can't really.

00:30:42.825 --> 00:30:42.896
Let's not.

00:30:42.896 --> 00:30:42.916
No.

00:30:42.916 --> 00:30:44.335
I'm in a muumuu- She's… … everyone.

00:30:44.335 --> 00:30:46.566
I'm in a real psychedelic muumuu
and it doesn't want me to come

00:30:46.566 --> 00:30:47.305
out of it, but- Well, that's

00:30:47.305 --> 00:30:47.705
okay.

00:30:48.006 --> 00:30:48.526
Um-

00:30:48.555 --> 00:30:51.266
Just show up how you wanna show
up, and then, uh, the rest of

00:30:51.266 --> 00:30:52.525
the people gotta catch up to you.

00:30:52.536 --> 00:30:53.065
How about that?

00:30:53.525 --> 00:30:57.246
If that's your time onstage, you go and
do what you gotta do to get it done.

00:30:57.605 --> 00:30:58.415
I think that's the way.

00:30:58.765 --> 00:31:02.205
I, I, I love all this, and I also
love how you've described your music

00:31:02.206 --> 00:31:04.895
so differently, you know, where
it comes from, and what's another

00:31:04.896 --> 00:31:08.126
ridiculous way to, uh, describe your
music, if you couldn't use that?

00:31:10.344 --> 00:31:12.504
Given all that's behind you.

00:31:13.234 --> 00:31:15.194
I don't know if there is a
better way to describe it- Yeah

00:31:15.264 --> 00:31:15.854
to be honest.

00:31:15.854 --> 00:31:17.083
I think it's just about

00:31:19.354 --> 00:31:23.864
how, how it feels to, to try and
exist in a place that really was

00:31:23.864 --> 00:31:25.593
kind of built to work against you.

00:31:25.783 --> 00:31:26.053
Yeah.

00:31:26.654 --> 00:31:30.944
Um, and the radicalization
of your vulnerability

00:31:32.974 --> 00:31:36.154
That's all I can really say is like
it's, it's a radical act to go up

00:31:36.154 --> 00:31:42.974
there and, and mess up and, and try
after that and keep trying and do this.

00:31:43.264 --> 00:31:43.543
You know

00:31:44.313 --> 00:31:44.404
what I'm saying?

00:31:44.404 --> 00:31:44.774
There it is.

00:31:44.774 --> 00:31:44.854
There it is.

00:31:44.854 --> 00:31:45.934
On cue, right?

00:31:47.093 --> 00:31:47.124
Yeah.

00:31:47.124 --> 00:31:51.434
George, I met, uh, George Porter's
girlfriend, Denise, last night and,

00:31:51.434 --> 00:31:57.783
uh, as he was going on stage, she said
to him, um… How we doing over there?

00:31:58.273 --> 00:31:58.644
All good?

00:32:01.043 --> 00:32:01.563
Oh, too loud.

00:32:01.803 --> 00:32:02.404
Don't, don't worry about me.

00:32:02.423 --> 00:32:02.583
Oh,

00:32:02.634 --> 00:32:02.783
yeah.

00:32:02.783 --> 00:32:03.614
Oh, I'm too loud.

00:32:03.763 --> 00:32:03.913
Sorry.

00:32:04.134 --> 00:32:04.914
No, you're actually- Yeah

00:32:05.163 --> 00:32:06.113
I'm giving us more.

00:32:06.213 --> 00:32:06.283
Yeah.

00:32:06.283 --> 00:32:08.155
Oh, because yes, give
me a little more gain.

00:32:08.155 --> 00:32:11.694
But he said, she said to him, uh,
"Good luck, George. Don't fuck

00:32:11.694 --> 00:32:14.224
up." And that… But you know what?

00:32:14.224 --> 00:32:15.443
I don't think you can fuck up.

00:32:16.003 --> 00:32:17.223
I think that's kinda your point.

00:32:17.343 --> 00:32:17.683
I mean-

00:32:17.823 --> 00:32:19.153
I think that's the point … you're,

00:32:19.153 --> 00:32:19.943
you're gonna fuck up.

00:32:20.003 --> 00:32:20.253
Yeah.

00:32:20.683 --> 00:32:21.933
It's all right to be a human.

00:32:21.943 --> 00:32:21.963
Yeah.

00:32:22.283 --> 00:32:23.403
It's all right to fuck up.

00:32:23.583 --> 00:32:23.843
Yeah.

00:32:23.843 --> 00:32:28.103
It's all right to show up a little bit
with one, one eyelash stuck to your eye,

00:32:28.373 --> 00:32:30.843
you know- Yeah … if you're wearing
the fake lashes, like you just gotta

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move through it and move through it
together and, and, uh, know that in

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this land of, or rather like this future
land of AI and tech and, and, um, I

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guess uncanny valley, like we're, we
can look at each other and be in live

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music and, and accept and understand
that we're gonna, we're gonna mess it

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up, but we're gonna mess it up together.

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Yeah.

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So let's just go.

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Let's do it together.

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Though we've been-