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00:05.684Good morning, good evening, good afternoon,
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00:09.555good wherever you are. Welcome back to another episode
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00:12.895of On the Same Page, a KCPL podcast.
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00:16.749I'm Evan. And I'm Tanya. And we
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00:20.041are your co-hosts for this podcast.
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00:23.188And today we've got an exciting episode.
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00:28.054I'm looking forward to seeing how people react
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00:31.809to this one because I think it's really fun. Me too. I've been perusing the
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00:34.999website for this author/artist,
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00:38.766and I'm so excited to get to talk to them. Yeah. And I mean,
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00:42.549talking about the Book Festival in itself is just kind of a, you know,
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00:47.102a fun experience because it's a long day, but it's always a
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00:50.644fun day when we get to do the Book Festival.
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00:53.979And so it's also just an exciting season
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00:57.313and time of the year. Like, fall is here.
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01:01.320I mean, fall starts earlier every year, it seems like, as far as like your
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01:04.593pumpkins pumpkin spice season and,
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01:08.395you know, those Halloween decorations at the store, all of
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01:11.909those fun things. Like, when this episode comes out, it will be
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01:15.872in full swing. It will be fall. And that means it's one of your
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01:19.209favorite times, Tanya, because it's spooky
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01:23.123season and spooky reads and spooky movies and
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01:26.733all that fun stuff. My Halloween decorations are already up.
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01:29.973I am not surprised by that at all.
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01:35.123And speaking of spooky reads and spooky season, we're going to talk
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01:38.727to an author today, but we also want to go over like who
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01:42.673all is going to be at the Book Festival this year.
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01:46.956And I'm just going to start right out of the gate with
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01:51.666R.L. Stine. R.L. Stine is back at the Book Festival.
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01:55.779He was here several years ago and he's coming back.
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02:00.066And so if you are a fan of Goosebumps or anything spooky,
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02:03.287he's done some YA, he's done some, you know,
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02:06.428doll— he's branched out and done more than just Goosebumps.
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02:11.220But he's going to be here. And so we're all looking forward
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02:15.131to that. We also
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02:18.929have Craig Johnson. There's a series
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02:23.336I'm trying to think of off the top of my head that he writes.
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02:26.141Longmire. There you go. Longmire.
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02:30.421He's the author of Longmire, and he'll, he'll be at the book festival.
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02:34.317We also have Kate Quinn.
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02:38.504She just came out with a book that was, you know, I saw making
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02:41.951its rounds on the TikTok world earlier this year
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02:45.867for the Astral Library, and that's her latest
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02:49.601release. It'll be, it'll be fun to see what she has to share.
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02:55.168And then there's Another main
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02:58.555one, Margot Lee Shetterly, the author
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03:01.991of Hidden Figures, which is a big thing
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03:05.041here in West Virginia because of Katherine Johnson.
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03:09.585And that movie was big a couple years ago. And so
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03:13.326the author of that book, Hidden Figures, is going to be there as well.
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03:17.211So I think these are all big names for different
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03:20.839reasons. I love the Hidden Figures movie. It was good.
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03:24.671I'm good for— I'm always about a story where, you know,
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03:29.208the protagonists are fighting against the norms and
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03:33.217bucking the system, and that's what those ladies did
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03:37.113100%. And so, yeah, I think
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03:40.688it was a great movie, and I'm sure it's a great book.
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03:45.658And last but not least for authors that are coming to the Book Festival,
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03:51.173we have the one that's going to be our guest today. Which is Rosalie
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03:55.820Hazlett. She's an illustrator and author whose
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04:00.836work celebrates the hidden wonders of the natural world, but not just anywhere
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04:05.340in the natural world. In her book, it's the Appalachian
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04:08.721Mountains. She also has one called Watercolor in Nature,
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04:13.288which is a beginner-friendly guide to, you know, getting started
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04:16.574in watercolor and painting
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04:20.500things in nature and maybe, you know, stopping to look at the things
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04:23.738that sometimes we overlook and see them in a different way.
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04:27.521She's here today with us. Welcome, Rosalie. Thank you so
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04:31.160much for having me. What an honor to be not only included in
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04:34.959this lineup for the Book Festival, which whenever the names started to come out
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04:38.790alongside mine, I had a little bit of like, what? Why did
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04:43.664they pick me? But I'm just so grateful that they, the organizers,
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04:47.847choose to represent, you know, West Virginians as well as the super famous
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04:51.037people. I'm really happy to be on
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04:53.764the show today. Yeah, well, I mean, as you know,
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04:58.337typically people in West Virginia, we're very loving
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05:02.028of other folks in West Virginia, and so we
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05:05.462want to support that. And I will tell you, just last
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05:09.361week in my book club, I was telling them about
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05:13.437the book festival, and one of the ladies said to me, she said, oh,
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05:16.951one of my favorites is going to be there. And I said,
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05:19.599oh yeah? And she said, Rosalie Hazlett.
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05:23.476Wow, so that's so cool. And she— you probably
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05:26.867will meet her. I guarantee you she will, uh, be at your, uh,
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05:30.274presentation. And, uh, so people,
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05:33.668people love you. Oh, well, I can't wait to meet her
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05:36.983too. So we're gonna, uh,
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05:41.250talk a little bit about like kind of your journey as an
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05:44.812artist and illustrator and kind of what got
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05:49.427you, uh, started. So can you tell us a little bit about that and Sure.
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05:52.687Yeah. So I consider myself primarily an
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05:55.963illustrator, but I've also started to write my own books.
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05:59.496My first book came out in 2021, but still that was kind of like,
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06:03.382it's, you know, tutorial focused. So I
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06:06.578didn't really consider myself an author all the way up through that.
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06:10.078And then I think when my second book came out and
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06:13.981I pitched it as a primarily illustrated book, it was going to
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06:18.204be like just minimal text all pieced together by these illustrations and
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06:22.976Then as I was working on it, I just realized like I had more
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06:25.869things to say than I thought I had to say, and it seemed like I
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06:30.271needed to write more. So I feel like throughout the process of writing my
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06:33.742book, second book, Tiny Worlds: The Appalachian Mountains, that's when I really felt like a
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06:37.583shift to where I started to pour my
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06:40.684creativity into writing as well as imagery.
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06:45.038But I've always loved both. Just, it was
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06:48.553more of like personal practice, the writing, and art was more of
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06:52.261the like public-facing thing. So from the time I was really little,
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06:55.664I loved painting and drawing, painted all sorts
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06:59.709of things. It wasn't just nature, but just really felt like that was,
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07:03.674that was my happy place and that was my,
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07:07.896my place to shine. Always kind of wanted to be an artist,
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07:11.122but actually I really wanted to be an artist, but you know,
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07:15.536it seemed like a very unpredictable path, but I just kind of kept Kept
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07:19.690at it, and throughout my whole childhood, I would keep sketchbooks. I'd also
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07:23.635keep journals. I journaled every day, and I would often illustrate my
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07:27.820journal entries. So it's fun to look back now that I've kind of accidentally
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07:31.028gained this new title of author in addition to illustrator.
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07:34.732I can look back and see that I've been writing my whole life,
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07:38.741even if it wasn't like for others or it wasn't formal
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07:42.494in any way. It's cool to see that this actually
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07:46.649is very natural to me to pair pictures words together.
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07:51.226So my journey looked like doing art and
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07:54.744writing as a kid and then figuring out
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07:58.085like, oh boy, I need to decide what to do with my life. And I
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08:02.646really want to do art. And I feel so fortunate because I
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08:06.549have a very creative family and they always were cheering me on.
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08:09.954And there was— even when I doubted that I could make it, they were like,
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08:13.584oh, you got this, you got this. And I just have so
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08:17.759many friends for whom that has not been the case. So yeah,
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08:21.114shout out to my family. And I hope
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08:25.128to— now that I have a child, I'm a new mom, I'm like,
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08:28.724wow, I really want to pass along that gift
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08:32.256of like trusting your child, that like if they're excited about something and
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08:36.189they're willing to work hard, like believe in them because that's—
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08:39.754they need that in order to, to actually make it happen. So went
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08:44.338to school in West Virginia at West Liberty University in the northern panhandle.
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08:48.776And I'm from northern part of the state, currently live in Elkins, have for the
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08:52.638past few years, but I grew up in the northern part of
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08:57.061the state. And yeah, just went to a small local school and
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09:02.269studied graphic design. And then while I was there, just really like
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09:05.746steered all of my projects towards more illustration.
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09:09.421So even if they were like we want you to design this
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09:12.793thing, and everybody else was using computers or like digital
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09:16.262illustration. I was like, what if I scan in my painting?
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09:19.875And then like, so I was always trying to find ways to bring it
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09:23.472back to where I felt like the joy
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09:27.711of creating for me came from, which was like tactile paint
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09:30.297on paper. I don't know, how much more do you want to hear?
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09:34.407No, no, I mean, I think it's really interesting because,
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09:38.913you know, I guess I never thought about the illustration,
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09:42.231like illustrator as a career outside of like,
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09:46.415you know, children's books and like being illustrator and like drawing or,
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09:51.384you know, in some of like cover arts and stuff like that. Like I
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09:55.488never thought about it like, you know, you started in graphic design and then
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09:59.496illustration was your, you know, kind of your driving
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10:03.343force, your passion. And I was looking at some of the things
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10:07.431like that you're involved with, like you have like the Smith You
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10:11.729have illustrated for the Smithsonian, Washington Post,
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10:15.080like the US Fish and Wildlife Service, like,
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10:19.122you know. And so I never thought about like illustration as like a career
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10:22.730that would go all those places. But I mean, it makes perfect sense.
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10:27.156It's just something people don't think about when they think of, you know, graphic design.
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10:31.101I've seen all kinds of things where there's been illustrations, but I've never actually
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10:34.837thought like, where do these come from? Yeah, illustrations are everywhere.
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10:38.412Yeah. And unless you think about it that way, you just
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10:41.730kind of move through the world and you just think, oh, that's like a cool
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10:45.706little picture. Like I think of the Virginia license plates that have like
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10:50.018the wildlife on them. They're like specialty license plates and some illustrator out
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10:53.769there, uh, that, by the way, I would love to do that. So if anybody
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10:57.744here listening is connected, that's a dream of mine that's
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11:00.758not yet realized. I would love to draw a critter for the license plate.
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11:04.621But yeah, illustrations are everywhere and I think
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11:09.489as As long as you— for me, it's all been all about like connecting
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11:13.329with people that are doing interesting things and then really just
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11:17.538with all of those collaborations, like figuring out how can I elevate what they're
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11:21.699doing? Because I'm not a scientist. I don't have a background in biology. I love
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11:25.636to be outside and I've learned a lot through just being outdoors and
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11:29.572observing myself. But, you know, there's so many
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11:34.032fields where They're doing amazing things, but they're not artists.
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11:37.671And so if you are an artist in that space, then you get to
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11:41.150learn all this interesting stuff about what they're doing and you get to elevate
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11:45.109their project. So it's, I think a lot of my career
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11:48.700has been just thinking about like, what sounds cool
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11:52.708to me? How can I reach out to someone that works in that
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11:56.314field or is doing that interesting thing? And most of
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11:59.681the time I pitch myself to people. So I think a lot of people look
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12:02.887at my resume or my website and they think, oh wow, like she,
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12:06.400how did she get so lucky, like, work with all these big
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12:10.796names. But most of them, I just reached
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12:15.063out to and get told no to all the time where people just don't
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12:18.641respond. But then, you know, every 20 times someone does
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12:22.523respond, and those things add up, and then they know people. And it's
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12:26.662fun to just kind of think about your career in terms of like, having agency
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12:30.673and just kind of following your curiosity and seeing
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12:34.942what it leads to next. I thought it was really cool to
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12:38.794read your blog and about like your trips to Ireland and
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12:42.228how that the connection of the Appalachian Trail and your writing is really funny,
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12:47.524like especially when you're talking about being gifted
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12:51.954the stomach virus or whatever. Oh yeah. Yeah. While you're
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12:56.223on your trip. And I saw that you were going to do a
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12:59.837residency in France, I think, or like a class.
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13:03.307Yeah, yeah, I'll be teaching a workshop in France, um,
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13:06.921next June. And yeah, I'm really excited about that.
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13:10.407I— it's a company that works specifically with painters,
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13:14.423and they organize all the logistics, and then you prepare a
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13:17.652week's worth of curriculum, and then you come and you
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13:22.503teach and you eat amazing food and drink so much wine. So I'm really
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13:26.625looking forward to it. So in all of these things
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13:29.831that, that you do, like, what is your process,
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13:33.919like your creative process that you go through when
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13:37.237you're, when you're coming up with these things, especially now that you mentioned you have
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13:40.844to pitch yourself too? So like, you know, does that, is that involved in the
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13:45.380career? Like, how does all that work? Oh man, there are just so many,
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13:49.179so many parts of the process. I don't know if it would be helpful to
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13:52.818talk about like an average work week. So I've been, this is my 8th year
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13:56.459doing this full time. And so things have come and gone and changed. Changed throughout
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14:00.731that time, but currently I spend about a day
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14:04.874and a half just working on behind the scenes wholesale of
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14:08.472my art products that have cool nature stuff on
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14:11.651them that I've painted. So that is, I would say,
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14:15.377and I like to share this because I think it's useful for all
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14:19.328creatives to hear that, like, the books are not really
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14:22.668where I make much money. I make some money on them, which is awesome.
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14:26.954I'm very grateful to be published and all of that. And collaborations
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14:31.607I make a little money off of. Sometimes it's pro bono. But selling
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14:36.307art products is mostly how I fund my passion projects,
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14:39.564and I consider books to be my passion projects. So about
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14:42.997a day and a half or so is spent just shipping
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14:46.334orders to different brick and mortars. I sell to a lot
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14:49.687of bookstores. So you'll notice if you go into a bookstore, there are a lot
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14:53.617of books, obviously, but there are also things like stickers and greeting cards and art
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14:57.900prints and tote bags and my work fits in well with that
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15:01.799type of shop. And then I'll
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15:05.745spend usually, well, you know, being a new mom,
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15:09.387my time is limited. So I use every little
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15:13.141minute of my baby's nap time to usually write.
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15:16.719So in the mornings during his nap, I will like
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15:20.649not look at any screens, just like have my little notebook
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15:24.487out, which took a while to get in that habit of like morning notebook
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15:27.762journaling time, but that's become so crucial to my process.
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15:30.894Um, and it's not like I have real like big goals for what I'm going
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15:34.346to write every day. And it's not like I'm necessarily working on any
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15:38.184specific project during that time, but I just kind of like check in with
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15:41.428myself every morning. Think about like,
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15:44.495how are my energy levels? What do I need to do to take care of
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15:48.477myself? Because I know my creativity won't be in place unless
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15:51.801I'm like drinking water and seeing a friend and things like that.
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15:56.217So checking in with myself, and then I usually make a list
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15:59.781of things that I'm excited about for the day. And if I don't have anything,
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16:03.507whether that's work or otherwise, then I like try to think about, okay, what could
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16:07.874I do today to make this day feel like
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16:10.090worth living? That sounds so dramatic,
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16:14.602but, but I'll, I'll put things down. Like if it's
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16:17.653like a big shipping day, like all day I'm going to be just processing a
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16:21.682big order or something, I'll, I'll like write down 30 minutes
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16:25.341of sketching or something like that to kind of create some balance.
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16:28.052And then often during that writing time,
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16:31.502I will end up working on a project,
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16:36.331like the written aspect of a new project, just because I'm like
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16:39.043already there. I'm in the right headspace, the coffee's flowing.
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16:43.552And so I really like not having pressure
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16:47.451on myself during that time, but just like committing to show— showing up every morning
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16:50.866with my notebook And then maybe it's a 10-minute writing
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16:54.827session. Maybe it takes, it ends up being like a couple hours and that,
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16:58.771that feels great when I like hit that flow and just want to keep going.
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17:01.753But it's never like I have to sit down and,
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17:05.665and really crank something out. So yeah,
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17:09.112so that's every day. And then there's shipping day and a half a week usually.
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17:14.098And then I am in my studio. So I have a little storefront downtown
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17:16.840in Elkins and I've been here a little over a year.
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17:21.470And I'm usually working on like a
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17:25.875couple new paintings that could be turned into prints or something
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17:29.768like that. So that's usually like a day. And then
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17:33.678I write a monthly newsletter and I have a little online book club called the
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17:37.827Nature Art Book Club. So those things are really like, I would say,
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17:42.345marketing focused because I don't do social media much anymore.
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17:46.959So I've really shifted to putting a lot of intention into
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17:50.423my newsletters. So Those are, those are some things that I do. And then I'm
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17:54.418open usually on Saturday, Friday and Saturday. So people come in
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17:57.932and chat with them. I don't get much done when they're in and out,
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18:02.087but it's really fun. And especially in the summer when there are a lot of
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18:05.937festivals and stuff, it's, it's really fun to just like have my doors open
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18:09.499and people coming in and I work on a painting and get to talk
18:09.515 -->
18:12.370to little kids about what kind of art they like to do. That's my favorite
18:12.870 -->
18:16.431thing about, I think, having this shop is letting especially kids peek
18:16.576 -->
18:19.548in on the process and they all get so excited.
18:20.214 -->
18:23.863So I saw in your, your intro video on your website,
18:23.895 -->
18:27.138which is beautiful, by the way. I don't know. I don't know if you made
18:27.638 -->
18:31.653it or you had someone. My next-door neighbor is an extremely
18:32.575 -->
18:36.487acclaimed filmmaker. If you've heard of the film King
18:36.600 -->
18:39.653Cole or Heroine,
18:39.686 -->
18:42.319they're on Netflix. I've watched that one.
18:42.612 -->
18:45.898Yeah. So they live next door to me and he,
18:46.459 -->
18:50.355Curran Sheldon, needed to test out some new equipment.
18:50.403 -->
18:52.599So he asked if he could do a little video of me and I was
18:52.615 -->
18:54.587like, that's amazing. Sure.
18:55.116 -->
18:58.690It's beautiful. And I love the section where you talk about teaching
18:59.123 -->
19:02.970kids. Yeah. Your— how to do watercolor
19:03.470 -->
19:06.257and like your process and things like that. So that's great. Yeah.
19:06.802 -->
19:10.585Yeah. That's another thing I do is I don't do it super regularly,
19:10.665 -->
19:14.560but I kind of do like little teaching bursts where I'll Um,
19:14.816 -->
19:18.101teach workshops sometimes in public schools around
19:18.601 -->
19:22.347the state, sometimes in conjunction with like, um, a book
19:22.363 -->
19:26.161talk or signing or something. So your store's called Meander,
19:26.433 -->
19:30.006right? Yes. Okay. So you talked about like a lot
19:30.118 -->
19:34.028of how you, you know, um, are these little projects and you'll
19:34.044 -->
19:38.274work on things as you come across them. And one
19:38.306 -->
19:42.247of the things we were talking about when we were planning this is like
19:42.632 -->
19:45.997the idea of like, we always hear about writer's block, people who
19:46.497 -->
19:50.211are writing. And so as an author, I'm sure you've experienced that when you're doing
19:50.804 -->
19:54.233your author side of things. But is there such a thing for like
19:54.730 -->
19:58.735when you're creating other types of art, like illustrating? Is there like illustrator's
19:59.235 -->
20:02.998block? Like, is that, is that a thing? Or, you know, we're just curious
20:03.622 -->
20:07.420your take on that. Yeah, I, I definitely think it is a
20:07.468 -->
20:11.606thing. I think most of the time It's not knowing
20:11.959 -->
20:14.881when to walk away from a project, and that's not in a negative way.
20:14.929 -->
20:18.719It's just like when to say, like, okay, this is done. Like,
20:18.783 -->
20:22.332this is probably to a place where it needs to be, and I'm gonna walk
20:22.832 -->
20:25.655away. Something that helps with that are deadlines.
20:26.795 -->
20:30.135So if I don't have, like, a deadline
20:30.183 -->
20:34.181on something, and a lot of my work that I make for products
20:35.642 -->
20:38.896I don't have a deadline. It's just me making stuff that I think is
20:39.008 -->
20:42.343fun based on what I find outside. And those
20:42.599 -->
20:45.757usually, I don't have a lot of, I think the pressure feels low
20:46.142 -->
20:49.572because it's just like me making it for mostly
20:50.072 -->
20:53.019for me and then seeing if other people will like it. But it's not like
20:53.519 -->
20:56.353there's a client or like a book deal deadline or something.
20:57.267 -->
21:01.210But then usually I like to have a big
21:01.290 -->
21:04.544project. Like I mentioned, the passion project. I like to have like a big thing
21:04.641 -->
21:08.632kind of like simmering in the background and So usually
21:08.985 -->
21:11.695since 2020, that's been a book, you know,
21:12.433 -->
21:15.912like always kind of having a book that I'm either working on or
21:16.024 -->
21:19.552like looking for that spark of an idea, which can take
21:20.052 -->
21:22.679so long to come to when you like find an idea where you're like,
21:22.759 -->
21:26.062oh yeah, like I want to spend 2 years working
21:26.562 -->
21:29.974on this and then more time marketing it. It takes a while and like
21:30.474 -->
21:34.288it's a big commitment once you decide. I recently decided
21:34.400 -->
21:37.400on my 3rd book. I think, as long as, uh,
21:37.866 -->
21:42.102somebody wants to publish it. But yeah, so I've been working on that for about
21:42.602 -->
21:46.7243 months. And with that type of project, I don't yet have
21:46.837 -->
21:50.335a deadline because I don't have a book deal yet. I haven't started submitting it
21:50.624 -->
21:54.700to publishers, but I do have an agent. So I give myself
21:55.200 -->
21:58.632deadlines like, girlfriend, you got to get something out in the next 2 weeks.
21:59.033 -->
22:02.564Like, even though you like feel embarrassed of like where
22:03.064 -->
22:06.238it's at or something like that, you just have to get it out there and
22:06.334 -->
22:09.525like get over yourself. And so with illustrator
22:09.541 -->
22:12.556block, um, I think going for walks helps a lot,
22:12.572 -->
22:15.859like just getting a change of scenery and then coming back to it.
22:15.955 -->
22:19.707And usually like if there's more that needs to be done, then I'll know like
22:20.207 -->
22:23.972after I've looked at other things for a while. And then also
22:24.533 -->
22:27.499knowing when to get feedback when you're stuck,
22:27.740 -->
22:31.300and then, and then just knowing when to ship it. And that,
22:31.492 -->
22:35.117that's something that my dad also an artist, and he
22:35.617 -->
22:39.418taught me to ship things. Like, you can deliberate over it
22:39.514 -->
22:43.702forever and you're gonna go insane, but at some point you just gotta send
22:44.202 -->
22:47.922it and know that the next time you can do better, but this was
22:47.954 -->
22:52.030as good as you could do right now. I know when we were—
22:52.287 -->
22:55.736before we started recording today, you had mentioned like
22:55.752 -->
22:58.384it had been a while since you've been on like a book tour and been
22:58.884 -->
23:02.604doing these kind of things. And so, you know, the book festival is
23:02.620 -->
23:06.232coming up and you're gonna be there. So What are you looking forward
23:06.732 -->
23:09.924to about the Book Festival? And it's your first time, or is it your first
23:10.424 -->
23:12.863time at the Book Festival? Yep. Yes, it's my first time.
23:13.617 -->
23:18.370I'm so excited. I think the lineup is awesome. I personally
23:18.450 -->
23:23.652am very excited about the used book sale. So a— that's
23:24.152 -->
23:27.778a big hit. Yeah. And a little tidbit
23:28.278 -->
23:31.294about Elkins is that we have not had an actual
23:31.794 -->
23:35.469library for 5 years because it flooded in 2021. And so
23:35.870 -->
23:38.841like most of the books were damaged.
23:39.226 -->
23:42.919The library has to be rebuilt. It's taken forever for
23:42.935 -->
23:47.736funding to come in. So we currently just have a little
23:48.236 -->
23:51.670house that has 2 rooms and not
23:51.686 -->
23:55.684very many books. And so I am just
23:56.184 -->
23:59.909like hungry for books. So I'm really excited
23:59.957 -->
24:03.331about these book sales. Well, my presentation is going
24:03.831 -->
24:07.894to be about how to take a book from that spark. Well, I think
24:08.394 -->
24:10.416I am not like— I haven't finalized it yet, but I think I want to
24:10.916 -->
24:14.159start with like how to know. Like I was just saying, like making a book
24:14.659 -->
24:18.594is such a huge time investment and it's gonna
24:19.094 -->
24:22.498follow you around for better or for worse for several years.
24:22.610 -->
24:26.026Like books, when you're in one while you're working on it,
24:26.058 -->
24:29.312they just live in your mind. And so you
24:29.328 -->
24:34.137have to really want to live in that place. And so I
24:34.637 -->
24:38.161think I want to talk about like how I've found that seed of
24:38.661 -->
24:42.377an idea that feels right, and then kind of
24:42.409 -->
24:45.663just share all the nitty-gritty details of like starting
24:45.696 -->
24:50.074with the idea and then going all the way through publication
24:50.251 -->
24:53.382and marketing and talk about what I've
24:53.882 -->
24:57.508experienced. So I've only published 2 books. So there's so many more,
24:58.456 -->
25:01.683you know, people that have a lot more experience than I do. But I
25:01.747 -->
25:05.071do think I've learned a lot with each book. And I
25:05.119 -->
25:08.170just, I want to be very, very— with all my talks that I give,
25:08.234 -->
25:11.590I want to be generous. But I feel like with this one, because I'm speaking
25:11.622 -->
25:14.916to a room full of writers, like, I know Y'all are going
25:15.416 -->
25:19.222to be excited to hear like the ins and outs. So I'm just going
25:19.722 -->
25:23.500to like put it all out there. And I mean, that sounds like a
25:24.000 -->
25:28.071good presentation. I mean, I'm sure that people who are
25:28.442 -->
25:31.771fans of yours will also be there, so they'll just want to hear from
25:31.819 -->
25:35.408you whatever you have to say. But, but there will also
25:35.908 -->
25:39.020be people there who are writers and who do come to this for, you know,
25:39.101 -->
25:42.535inspiration and, you know, advice. And so
25:43.196 -->
25:46.418It sounds like a really cool presentation, especially with all
25:46.918 -->
25:50.522of the media that you deal with, like because you are an illustrator
25:50.906 -->
25:54.545and how that goes into your writing and your process. I think it'd
25:54.593 -->
25:57.799be great. Yeah. Do you mean like pairing the
25:58.299 -->
26:01.647text with the illustrations and like how I digitize things and stuff? Yeah.
26:01.791 -->
26:05.350Yeah, I can definitely touch on things like that and just how to— how— I
26:05.850 -->
26:10.271don't know. I think one of the hardest parts of a book is staying
26:10.303 -->
26:14.054motivated. And so I have like come up
26:14.554 -->
26:17.882with a couple sort of like outlines that I've gone back to when
26:17.914 -->
26:20.425I worked on each book that's like,
26:21.874 -->
26:25.207here is basically what you need to do next. And so I want to share
26:25.319 -->
26:28.669that too, even though, you know, an illustrated book is very different from like a
26:28.686 -->
26:32.229novel. I think there are a lot of crossover skills.
26:34.825 -->
26:38.673So we, we do different segments on this podcast.
26:38.818 -->
26:42.168And so we have— so we're going to transition into one of
26:42.184 -->
26:44.731those. And it does involve things you've already mentioned.
26:46.877 -->
26:50.908And so for this overdue conversation, we were inspired
26:51.408 -->
26:54.876by the idea of all the book merch that's out there
26:54.988 -->
26:59.228that seems to be growing, like, you know, accessories for Kindles.
26:59.341 -->
27:02.794There's like, you know, different— like, I can find
27:03.294 -->
27:07.243like t-shirt designs that are for book lovers and special bookmarks
27:07.436 -->
27:09.748and, you know, merchandise.
27:10.567 -->
27:14.647And we know that you do, you know, your own merchandise
27:14.904 -->
27:18.901and Um, so like, how does your creating
27:19.077 -->
27:22.993merchandise fit into your roles as an author and artist and,
27:23.651 -->
27:27.038um, you know, that whole thing? Because you said
27:27.538 -->
27:31.532you work on that some specifically, like the shipping and like maintaining that and
27:32.032 -->
27:36.250like— Yeah, well, I think of, um, creating the
27:36.750 -->
27:40.568merchandise as like funding myself to be able to do more risky
27:40.760 -->
27:45.559projects and like really take the rest of my time and work
27:46.059 -->
27:49.811on books that are more niche. Like, my Tiny Worlds of the Appalachian Mountains book
27:50.453 -->
27:53.839is very regional, and I knew it wouldn't sell huge
27:54.339 -->
27:57.867amounts. It sold well, and I'm happy about that, but it's like never going
27:58.367 -->
28:01.654to be on like big bestseller lists or anything because it's so regional.
28:02.569 -->
28:06.340And my third book, which I won't mention yet, but it's
28:06.420 -->
28:10.208also extremely niche because that's what I love. That's what I get excited
28:10.708 -->
28:14.325about. And I think that some of the best books that I've gotten the most
28:14.825 -->
28:18.580out of have been just because the author fell in love with something and they
28:18.677 -->
28:22.380wanted to really dig into it. It's not because it's something that
28:22.880 -->
28:27.602can be sold in every bookstore all over the world. So that's
28:28.102 -->
28:31.233kind of one of the things is like figuring out a way
28:31.249 -->
28:34.687to fund myself to write and illustrate for
28:35.187 -->
28:38.510books. And then I also think it plays in really
28:38.606 -->
28:42.252well with connecting with booksellers
28:42.365 -->
28:46.005because— and libraries— because I
28:46.358 -->
28:49.902wholesale these art products to lots of
28:50.402 -->
28:53.703different shops and bookstores. And so whenever I do have a new book come
28:53.895 -->
28:57.744out, they're excited to carry it because they already have my stuff there. They can
28:58.244 -->
29:01.448like make a little display where it's all cohesive. And then if they host
29:01.948 -->
29:04.624me for an event, not only can they sell my book, but people will also
29:04.640 -->
29:08.281buy art, which often they'll spend more on
29:08.781 -->
29:12.119the art than book because books are just like, you know, they're kind of a
29:12.665 -->
29:16.165low-dollar item. So I think it works,
29:16.534 -->
29:20.051it works really well together. And I think you don't have to be like
29:20.067 -->
29:23.856an amazing visual artist in order to create
29:24.356 -->
29:28.272some things that could accompany a book. Or yeah, I think
29:28.416 -->
29:31.917like making a fun little tote book, tote bag. I remember, oh, what was
29:32.013 -->
29:35.976it? Emily Hilliard. Are you familiar with Emily Hilliard?
29:36.618 -->
29:40.051Don't think so. She's an Appalachian author,
29:40.276 -->
29:44.319and I went to one of her book talks and she had tote
29:44.367 -->
29:47.591bags that said Friends of Coleslaw, and people
29:48.091 -->
29:51.843were snapping those things up left and right. And her
29:52.343 -->
29:54.939book, like, she was writing about, like, Appalachian food and things like that.
29:55.469 -->
29:59.431So, and she's not normally a visual artist, but she
29:59.463 -->
30:02.736was able to put together this cool little thing and it just It
30:02.752 -->
30:06.558creates also a great gift to gift someone like a book by an
30:06.606 -->
30:10.347author and a cool little thing that they made. And so
30:10.363 -->
30:13.992I think they go really well together. And even if you don't feel comfortable
30:14.492 -->
30:17.862doing any sort of design, you could always collaborate with an artist friend to put
30:18.362 -->
30:22.165together like a little mini series of stickers or something. And also
30:22.245 -->
30:25.473those things can really build awareness about what you do.
30:25.553 -->
30:28.892So like whenever I do a book talk workshop, Um,
30:29.244 -->
30:32.596sometimes I speak at schools and things. I will almost
30:33.096 -->
30:36.557always give away stickers to people that attend, and it's like
30:37.057 -->
30:40.310a nice quality sticker, but it has my name on the, like, little on the
30:40.810 -->
30:43.677bottom. And I just see that as like a cool form of a business card
30:44.177 -->
30:47.430because then they're gonna have that. They're gonna look at their sticker on their water
30:47.930 -->
30:50.846bottle all the time and see my name, and then they might recognize it when
30:51.038 -->
30:53.957my book comes out. I love the Stay Slimy.
30:54.486 -->
30:58.365Greeting card, I think it was, made me laugh. And anytime I get
30:58.445 -->
31:02.373a card from someone that's like by an artist
31:02.873 -->
31:06.909or illustrator, I always look at who made it. Yeah. So like,
31:07.166 -->
31:10.212it's like a glorified business card,
31:10.276 -->
31:14.107but way cooler because it's something that's like fun and functional. I mean,
31:15.245 -->
31:18.852one of the reasons that we, we, we wanted to talk about that,
31:18.868 -->
31:22.362Tanya brought this up to me and I didn't even know this was a thing,
31:23.276 -->
31:26.242but there was a situation where Um,
31:26.258 -->
31:29.815someone tried to trademark a phrase that was like going
31:29.911 -->
31:33.838popular in like the BookTok world, and they tried to trademark
31:34.338 -->
31:37.475it and they weren't successful because it's like, it's, it,
31:37.844 -->
31:41.434it was Hot Girls Read. And you know, they were trying
31:41.466 -->
31:44.382to, you know, make that a trademark, uh,
31:44.815 -->
31:49.286and you know, that was all on the internet, but like went crazy
31:49.462 -->
31:52.844and was like, you can't do that, man. You know,
31:53.244 -->
31:56.546I mean, that's especially after it's already been a trend.
31:56.594 -->
31:59.994Like if you were the first person say it, mate, and like make a bunch
32:00.494 -->
32:03.445of materials about it, maybe. But if it's already a trend and then you just
32:03.945 -->
32:06.960slap it on a tote bag, you cannot claim that. No,
32:07.522 -->
32:11.149no. And I mean, you know, the one thing about there being so
32:11.649 -->
32:15.627much like merchandise around books is that it gets more people talking about books
32:16.127 -->
32:19.656and like, you know, letting people know that like, you know,
32:19.961 -->
32:23.363these— all these people are still reading. Because I,
32:23.797 -->
32:26.429I don't know what I was looking at the other day, but I saw someone
32:26.926 -->
32:30.934talk about like, you know, that, that people don't read anymore. And it's like,
32:31.655 -->
32:35.070yes, they do. Uh, it just may not be as in your face
32:35.198 -->
32:38.805as it once was. Uh, but, you know, like, people still do read
32:39.305 -->
32:43.117and people love reading. And that's why these merchandise things are,
32:43.197 -->
32:45.794you know, popping off and, uh,
32:46.644 -->
32:50.042going crazy online. Yeah, I've never
32:50.542 -->
32:53.795made any like book-specific merch. But maybe I
32:54.295 -->
32:58.002should. Maybe you should. Listen, I'm telling you, Kindle inserts
32:58.355 -->
33:01.951are a huge market. Like, I don't even know what that is.
33:02.369 -->
33:05.997So like, and they have Kindle cases you
33:06.497 -->
33:10.878could buy that are clear on the back and people will put
33:10.991 -->
33:15.069like, you know, designs in their Kindle case. And so
33:15.310 -->
33:18.858like, you know, it's, it's like a lot of people
33:18.922 -->
33:22.310will do stickers and make their own, like, you know, it's kind of like putting
33:22.810 -->
33:26.148stickers on like laptops and stuff like But you'll do it on the
33:26.648 -->
33:30.324Kindle. And so people will make inserts and just sell
33:30.824 -->
33:33.617them online and like, you can buy my Kindle insert.
33:34.244 -->
33:37.520And that's a huge market right now. Um,
33:38.516 -->
33:41.873wow. Yeah, completely book merchandise. Seems like it would be easy
33:41.890 -->
33:44.941to make because it's just like a flat little piece of paper, right?
33:45.006 -->
33:48.218Yeah. Yeah. And it's— and you just size it right. Like,
33:48.234 -->
33:51.334yeah, I mean, you could, you could, you could totally start. I mean,
33:51.383 -->
33:54.561I'm sure you— I mean, I think you could come up with some great Kindle
33:55.061 -->
33:58.654inserts. So, okay, all right, well, or I was thinking recently,
33:58.734 -->
34:02.730I've been thinking about like what types of different items
34:02.842 -->
34:06.469do I wanna— because I'm always coming up with new like designs for
34:06.969 -->
34:10.225things, but then like what could I apply them to? So I also have never
34:10.725 -->
34:14.157made bookmarks. That sounds like fun, and I feel like I'm always looking for more
34:14.657 -->
34:18.265bookmarks around my house. I should just make my own and sell them while
34:18.765 -->
34:21.136I'm at it. Yeah, I mean, that could be a whole new, you know,
34:21.296 -->
34:24.823a branch on your, on your website and things you sell is like book merch
34:25.323 -->
34:28.894or, you know, just that kind of, kind of thing. I mean, people, people love
34:29.394 -->
34:32.677it. You could probably find some good puns to put on bookmarks too, because I
34:33.177 -->
34:36.685noticed you do some puns. I do some, but usually I outsource
34:37.185 -->
34:39.538the puns. I've only come up with a few myself, but I have a couple
34:39.635 -->
34:42.921friends that are really— they have lots of good puns, so they get all the
34:43.421 -->
34:47.393credit. That's another form of collaboration.
34:47.441 -->
34:50.601You're just collaborating with people. You're using the people you know and,
34:51.258 -->
34:54.369and, uh, just collaborating. It's, it's fine. It's fine.
34:55.107 -->
34:58.475But yeah, there's, there's a lot of book
34:58.975 -->
35:02.773merch out there, uh, and so you could, you could definitely get into
35:02.821 -->
35:06.381that market. I'm excited about it. Maybe I'll try to come up with
35:06.414 -->
35:09.813like one new thing that's book related for
35:10.423 -->
35:13.780the festival. If I can get around to that, I have about a
35:14.280 -->
35:16.996month, so. I mean, that could be something.
35:17.221 -->
35:20.887That would be fun. You could kick it off there and like,
35:20.904 -->
35:23.431you know, this would be your new thing. Who knows?
35:26.313 -->
35:29.919Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
35:30.000 -->
35:33.321We're so happy that we got to take a moment
35:33.386 -->
35:37.080and talk to you, and we look forward to having you
35:37.112 -->
35:40.371at the Book Festival, and maybe we'll see each other there.
35:41.308 -->
35:44.986Yeah, so you'll both be there. We both will be there. We are going to
35:45.002 -->
35:48.713be in the marketplace area. There's like
35:49.213 -->
35:53.017a special like table that's for the Kanawha County Library, usually over in the corner,
35:53.595 -->
35:57.129and we'll be there making announcements on the speakers. That's what Tanya and
35:57.629 -->
36:01.080I are going to be doing, like, you know, making announcements and just
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36:04.871doing fun stuff like that. So we'll be there for the
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36:08.276library. Yeah, thanks so much for having
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36:11.755me. This was really fun. I want to mention the survey
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36:14.334again. We have a survey,
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36:28.914the same page. It's all there. Click on that, and then our survey
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36:32.375is right on that page. You can take it.
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36:36.765And so, and next month, we'll give you a little teaser.
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36:40.871Next month is November. And we're
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36:44.084going to do a little bit talking about The Hunger Games. So we're going
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36:48.019to have that going on next month on the podcast. So tune
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36:51.376in and listen, listen to that. And we might have
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36:55.247another special episode in November. We're still trying to get the pieces of that
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36:59.102together. So I can't talk about that yet, but we'll
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37:02.860do something special in November one way or another.
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37:06.508And so Thank you. Thank you for listening.
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37:11.621This has been another episode of On the Same Page, a KCPL podcast.
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37:15.609I'm Evan. And I'm Tanya. And we'll see you
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37:16.799in the next chapter.